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As far as th ot he r lleg tion re onc r n d t p . 23 •

Annexur e , I c n onl y d ny l·. I·h e no Iu h r cc am n on l'bl •

5. Mass Meeting re Banning of S SO nd BPe Members - M rch 1973-~~ Ë 2~~- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ~- - - - - - -

State is truly sc r ap Ing th ba r r e L. They obt in ~1 r refer nce

PAr~. 73. p.260.-------_.------Allegation: Attending and unkuo

Re: Vol. 2, p . 2 SO.

My memory on thi i~v ry v gu. II' ~i.

pech.

poken ilt so many

meetings during my co l I ge d ys 1 find an alleg t ion u h

the on contained in this par ag r aph mu~ enb r s ng. The

from a SASO cwsletter, Vo1.3, to . 1 of I.~ .. -:--h/ ..?!'il, 197'\ wh;rh

itself quotes an art' c l e tha w s supposed 0 have appeared

in "The Graphic" (a Durban newspap r) of

bsolutely vie ious! The relevant S

16th. arch, 19

n~ws1 t er was

nyway, e en if som~ of the fac ts are r ight, e. g. tha t I s po ke

I am emphatic that this w s not a S SO or BPC meting. It

as a U B s udent mass meeting to which the public vas invi e

published by Ben Langa. I do not know who published h

~;t;~story in the 'Graphic".

and was just one of many s nm Lar mee t i.ng e i,c:lJ

coun ry h tim c 11 d by v riou gro P oprot t ag ins

the bannings. nd I must have spoken there as a student of

U B. I t was not a SASO or 8PC meeting.

6. / .

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P ra . 1 • p. 261 , t ", p. 37.lso nn r

I have already given instructions in this T g rd ,

7 • Active Pronagandist Convenor "Had H nd " - BP - D eabe r1§'I-Z-JuI~- -I§7~:-~---- ---- ----- --- ---- ------ ---- -- --- -- ---- ,_________r~ _

Par . 75, page 261.

I do not under s t and h e lIeg tions texe pr th one rel in

to convening, which is cor r ec t .

3. ~~Y!~~!_~Q_~~~_~--~~!r~-!2Z~_l-Q~~QQ=!~_!2Z-·(para.76, p.261).

I have already dismissed this alleg hogw shon

9.

Para.77, page 261.

! have already given Counsel instructions regarding this

allegation.

- 11 (b) (iv) d the Alternativ Coun gains ecu d os. 1 -7.

1./ .

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1. That Ac u d 1-7 c cl in eone rt to commi 11 dy~--;-~- -~l- -6~-1~ YE-~;--:- ---- -- -- - --- -- -- --- - ----___ E _

Par. 17 , p.2S7.

In the first p l cc it is ha rd ï y onceivablc ha I could

have n t cc in coneer ("II S do. 6 nd whom I

har d Ly kn_w. rwcor• ny tage a r that h re w

to be a Pro-Prelimo Rally at Turfloop. Il I new bout w 5

the Pro-Prelimo rally p I nn d for Durban.

I have a Lr e dy stated in pr ev ious in ructions th t I fir t

knew of the BPC-5 SO Durb n Pro-Frclimo R Liy on aturoay

the 21st Sept mbe r . I ~o by thi in orm tion h n I go

to the 5ASO Office on thc morn i ng 0 thi d y. ty

informants w r ths Coop r , H rri 51ngh, untu 1y z ,

Yugan aidoo , Lindelwe 1 bendl , Menzu Mbeo. By the tim

I arrived the aforemen ioned' og th r with a numb r of

o h r s (mongst hem hmed Bw, Co1lin Jeffr y) w_rc

ai r ady . n bustle of c t Lv i t y prepar'ng for h r 11y.

Arnon other things 'they were wri "ng bann r adv rtisemcnts,

preparing pamphlets and rranging pr es f ilities .

I understood he purpose of th 'r 11y to be he c e Le ration

of the a ainment of indep ndence by the people of

~oza biqu nd to wish hem 11 in r eons rue ng h r

country and consolidating their independence. It as also

to demonstrate our brotherly bond ith hem. Ther was

no / ••••

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no oth T otiv t 11 . or hol in hi r lly. or I .ou l d

h ve known bou i . rh r ft no in n ion h 0 r r

to provok nyone n .h t s mom n 0 il JOY or

us here Bl p opI . Th townsh ip. n 0 ft

buz 1n& ith °h'loT ion cv r inc i w . nounc

that Mozambique w tt in In p nd m

T 5 hor UIlI 1y Lmp r e s s e wi h he i 1 in

rally and 1 suppor d i four s u r . I, how r , h

y nd~8ivin s bout th p ren ly pao n h s t

r r n m nts. I omplain d for in nc h

pub l i ity w poor nd tha 1 would no h v no n bou

the event. I w sur d, how vcr I h ry hin W'\

und r on rol.

I offered 0 as s i t in 0 inin m phon 0 b us

faT announcem n s , HaTTl '1ngh dra to Co c

Univ rs1ty of atal OT . hi pur po 1 f ho v r t

to get the m phone and Ha r r i ingh r or d 0 hi r in

one from j c' Sound p opI in Be ric r

Har 'Sing t~l d m h he wa oin o L. f. h ry

d Y 0 ob In Fr li 0 P r for h r 11 y. 1tho h

I found his a laudable id a I wa a in 00 r 1y 1 pr

by / •••••

d

.. :;

by h s 1 st minut a r r an enen OT one no prior

cont "L h' U UI:t: II !\ J -~th rr ·1 . rae ::r f r as covlJ

se r a in. 1 rn d th Fr e l imo , ry bu v t

this j unc rur to consid T ny 1 st minu e invi tion .

Besides t he r was also the que tion of pe t r o l

restrict rons . H r r i , howe e r , thou h" lo. wou! h h l e,......

to pull off th Tic .

All in all w _ a the of Cl c for a out hour

1000 1400 hours At t h im of y cp rture the

que rip w 'nth halncebc.ueitwas

discovered ha t a car with a bi petrol mileage

____ "" .'ft~ T"G

a ca •• "" ... ~...... ..-~rl to r ach Mozambique wi thout

r fu I11ng and there w s no money to hire on .

B: r h d giv n lIarri a con act in Zululand wher he

ould obtain P trol, out this arr~ngement w~~ ~anifcstly

inad quate b cause i depended on him findin the person

to whom 1 had referr d him.

I Ls to be und rstood by coun cl that 1 in no way sent

Harri v .Mozambique. In the first place th a r r n ement

tOT ne lull, ft~~ be.n~ h~n d by h joint BPC-S SO

E cu iv o wh eh I w m mbe r . 1 len my handno

to a projeehieh 1 found a r ac ive and legitimate. In

th ccond pI cc I got to know bout the rally by chance.

nd I .....

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And this i s not ons' ~L t ith he high offic of

lIprominent dviser to BPC". In add i tion I w not w re th t

Accused o . ~ and !taroon z iz r ·0 accompany H' r ri ,

though I presumed someone would ccompany him.

In the evening of the 2Znd eptember, Muntu My z arrived t

my house in Umlaz.i in th company of Ahmed 8 wa, o rman

Dubazana t Yugan aidoo t ~t~K Siyol0 alom e La . They w~(b

travelling in Harri' s car and said they had b en

amphl t ecr mg and ann unc i i g tl r 111' in the tOloln"hip.

Ahmed t ld me th~ t Har r i h d hi r d a car and had le ft for

Mozambique with kwenkwe (Acc. 0.5) and Haroon Aziz.

They wanted to place some banners at some vantage points

in Uml zi and they wanted me to show them such point .

Whereupon funt.u , Ahmed and I drove to Umlazi Station wher

we strung up on e such ba nue r . During the drive to and from

the station we announced over a megaphone tha t th r .a s go

be a rally. Muntu and I announced in Zulu.

The group then left my place.

Iher~aiLci 1 had no een ~ct with anyone from BPe or 5 SO

until Wednesday af ernoon. In the tftt,flt~; 1 f~jtJ. interim

I read statements in the newspapers about the rally. These

were purportedly made by Muntu. I also read news of the

threatened I .....

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~h!eatened ~ n in Tu sd y mo lings ncvspeper . nd th r ply

to it by Muntu in the v ning pap r . On ~ dnesd yoni, •

I r e d that the r a 1ly had b en bann d.

My personal opinion on hear ing this was that i t was v ry

mischi vous to ban uch a m s ive thing t such hort no t rc .

It was quite obvious that the news of the banning ou l

never reach the masses on time. I saw no reason why if

anyone in tended ning T. 11 they had no don so wh n

it was announced on Saturday. A least they could have

banned It on "uHud.i. I sens nimpending n sty Lt u t ion

del rbe r ~1Y contrived by a morbid mind. This, of cour e ,

was qua te be s id s the fact tha.t 1 thought th ban wa

stupid and discriminatory (the whites had held rail i s just

in the weeks before support' ng the aborJtive coup led by

the FL in Moz.ambique. These rallie , despite th ir

react' ona r y nature, had proceed~d quite unhampered and no

Tac' al conflagration Tesulted from them •

At lunch on Wednesday the 25th, 1 got to my room at

Doctors Quarters to find a group of agitated guys. They

were Muntu, Saths, hwent e. H roon Az.iz, Harri ingh,

M,osiuoa Lekota. 1 was in th company of a :friend of mind,

Dr. Poel Ma sip , th n a stud nt at edic 1 Schoo .

It was apparent that they were hard hit by the newS of the

ban and were at odds as to what to do. They had come to my

room to confer in peace because they were being harrassed

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by droves of pressm n in town.

Fir I heard th t u r ,l , . h n nd U' roan h d h d

fruitless journey to Mot bi u . houto. th '! h d m

the Fr 1imo t th y w re un b Le to bring ith h m ny r s .

Th y had had very gru ling journey and h r r rv d in

Durban only that morning (25 It. They 'ti 1"

t r m ly

fatigued. On ar r tv 1 in ur n they h d onsumed liquor nd

il rri w ti d., id dly drunk h t fternoon in my room.

Nhwcnt ~ i ~ 0 tired h sl cpt throughout th

rOOll •

in in

untu compl a ined th t th new5 pcTS h d Ls uo d him in

s vcr respect t e sp cially with rrd "smug 11n r imos

into the co ntry" and 'Id fying the b n on th rt lly".

We delib rat d on the 'I" tion of tb b n .nd h f ~t th

it was at such sno r notice.e {l cu 1 d th t people ould

unknowingly converge on Curries Fount in. • Tri pr s d

strongly that the ally should cont Lnue de pi. he b nnin •

lie f It 11 his fforts to 0 to 0'. b·quc could not be

nullified so impI . How ver, I di i c hi 1 hou h

his judgment as imp ired by both f tigu nd Icohol ~ 1

w rn d th Sh rp v' 11 1i confront tion hould be oided

at all costs as such inciden s only br Ln [ur h r r dy

to our people. 1 lso intima ed th t thi occ ssion of

Motambiquc ind P nden hould b end d by joy nd th t

hould I .....

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not ssist those against us to turn i n 0 y of orro t •

I s r s d thi mo rnph lC Uy nd no on th r pre nl

could h v con ru d hi s d rn nc e o con inuc h r a l iy .

Wh t I was ad m nt bou h t h or . n i I' 0 h r, il

should go to ur r ie s Poun in to r u p opl 0 di -perse and no 0 1 v hi to t he pol' . who 1 ur

woul t u undu for in cl i po ing h 1'0 d _ • ~ 0

anxious for th f ty of OUT P opl nd I n ti our uy

0 fy,] l ,I t ~p ns i.b l.l I r th is .

r ion it w d id d h t i con id r bl

number of peopl en o Cur r i s Foun in h n on or 0

0 d I'S would QO th r nd p l in 0 tt m h he

nc 11 d nd h h y hould i p r p c u Ll y.

It w s r th h t Im h r no im 0 inform

th publi ov r h m

1t was further d c rd d h pr conl r n (,.00

for th t v nin hO h n pj n ion of bin oul

be giv n 0 th world. 9 use tuntu had compl m nho

b ing mi quot d in h pr r d h h 0 Id pr r

a om un ique 0 h p nd h th con r nc ""0 Id

alon"" .:i"h "ho 1tne s (\f h t o munique. fun u jo ed do n

om pain hieh u d hould in Iud d in hi

statement. 1 turn d out no pre conf r nee h Id,

Muntu nd oth I' r a r r d h ev nin .

Til I .

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'ïh group 1 { my room at 1 0 hours and I re urn d 0 OT •

is: tt s s ron ly en' 5 d Compol th 'he roupC u

C me to Y room th t t r noon h i mpl p 00 th t 1

most promin nt adv t s r to . 0 nd BPC.

On tt v nl.ng 0 th t <1 Y m) ".. r ar r iv 1Tl th su 1 Y

D partment of th Ho pit 1 with dog bi "ounds. Sh told

m h t she !Jd Tl to Cur Founta' n nd th th y \It r

t ac k d by poli e do s . mp h d nsu d nd in the

m 1ct: she had 1 t OUT S year old d ugh T who w i h h r ,

• r __ """'"..L \0. \". , "'J

'f had r cc'ved m d'~'lntion I ,.f " h h r

nd on Co st 1 GOY nder to loo for h kid.frO bin

the urr tc Foun re unsuCc fully nd cont ct in

few p 01'1 and pI C s in own 1 o wi hou succ e ë rov

to Sa hs' home whel .0 found im alone. 1 1 rnt fro him

tha hi wif and broth r e r ar re He lso did no kno

abou h chi.ld.

Ju t Swere on th point of 1 vin, H r r i , k en

• 4~ nd l.a , Kogi1 P rum.1 a rrtv d. Riding m roilY on Si y'S

bac liT ~~unhtPT! compl et ly unraf £1 d.

Harri said a nu bel' of peopl had b n b dly bn by 0 s

nd 0 equally j arg nu bel' 1'1' sted.c d cid d e ou 1d

con cl··· ..

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contact Shun the following morning to ar r ang defence. In

the meanwhile we would inform relatives of thos a r sted

and i lj ured.

I left with my wife, daughter, Coestal and kwenkwe.

Nkwenkwe put up at my room in Doctor' Quarters whil t I went

to work t.hr ough the night.

Many days later ! drafted the statement starting

"Another page •.••• " I have given counsel instructions on

this statement.

That conc1 udes th story of the 'r 11y. It is sheet madn ss

to say this rally had terroristic intentions. In my view

not even the RiotouS Assemblies Act was contravened.

2. ~££y~~~_:_l_~Q_~_:_~~~~_H!r!i_§ingh~ _H!!QQD__!!!!n~_~ssy~~4·

~_!Q_~~~~~!~~_§~~!~~2~r~_!2Z!·para. 176, p.288.

I have already said j t was Harri himself who suggested that

he go to L.M.

In addit.:'on I had no power to send him. The most I could have

done was ugg st, which Id' d not ever do. 1 merely agreed

to a suggestion made by Harri which 1 saw nothing wrong with.

1 I .....

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1 have alre dy stated tha 1 did not know th t Haroon nd

Accu ed . o , 5 would accompany H r r i , 1 hou h I pr umcd

om on wouId ccomp ny him.

3. Accused 1 - 5 incited etc. Y. idoo .•...- -- - - ---- ~-- - - ---- - -- -- - - - - - -- - - --- - - ----para.179, pane 2 9.

J stated I found all thos people I ru lleg d o h e

incited already busy doing the ct I am suppo ed to h v

lncit cl t hem to. If anything it ~ I no me it:

Its damn cheek of them to s y T incited hem.

4. !n~! __~_fy~!:~_~y_!~!~!~g-~!_!~~£D!~_!2_f[--~·Pa .180(b), p.289.

I was not par y to any s atem nt issued 0 th pr ss in

connect ion with t he rally.

Th on statement which 1 could remot ly b id to b

supposed to have given at th pr s confer nee on the ev nin

of the 25th S pt mber. y conn tion wi h hi ha lr dy

been explain d. In any case this statement as never i sued

to the press.

The other sta ment, beginning tt nother pa e ..weS ':J in no.....

way conn ct cl i h dv rtising th r 11y. I w n p d

personal assessment by me of he even 5 of the25 h ep .

It is quite cl ar from the st em n (thou h inco pl e) h

it waS written after an event.

5 fil / •••••

1 ..

5. !~~!$_~_~~~!!S_ ~ï__nnQ~n_!npr. 1 )9c), p . 2 O.

A t t cl bo cl id nnor n n 0 r . rphon

wi th untu . Th in "u tu nd w r

Imply "0 : e ~ - .. •h .t \ ~ ir." • J .-: I p ..~ .:..::..., u v

P. o> l "' .' 1 1 . 1h , nn un n D '01 re in er.in Urnl z i only nd no in v r iou p l c in r i rh n.

Po nt i 1 I hm d BO) ••

..e: Pa r . 7 , P g e r , lie h h hn

r 11y' h Id d pi th h nnl n • hi u l l u t!

1 hill th sn ml""O:l:'; rue .. my d oour

in 1 m: o

ontinu i h h r 1Iy.

11. Eg!_ !g~_ IQ __ ~ !~_U___Qn!E!!~51

11 a ion 3 p r - . 1 • 1 Q nd 191 • .2

Th ion r in uppor of y h in co-con pl r or

in For 19n In . t n ,

P T .1 9 : I i

Bu ho' thi

h [ found rru

e r pon i, 1 for con p i r y hleh

11 ly h eh b t n h 1 h • 1 11 hn

Ju 1yl· , ...

uly, 19 :.\ i h n Jl ~ ï oun ·0 In Il,'. 1on

P .1 0 : I do n no ho r r s hl

p po rou 11 ion h I pro n~n r

RE: 22 of hi docum n h foo no

D.,. t Q 1 1 h v Ir dy i n In ru ren on

lo Durin t _ P r od t } c b rt t

Oc ob r , 197 I h v b n b r of

,p opI ' s ccnv nt ion. ly m b rshlp n

M r ch , 913. Pr o lil " i..e 8 ';:Un

tJ._ ., " .", •

to Dcccmb r , 1 7'5. 1 Ch ir n of h D v Y on

br neh of BI'L. • I~ ..b ... .,~IJ\:\. • • c

to b th . tion 1 Of n s ... of h B Thl~

el . t lo l ..00 1 c L.. m;iian::~r__l , C;t • Pn

Theolo ic 1 S m n ry, during th tion Con r

s s ion .

2 (i) M mb r hip in th 8 ek. Peo 1 I - nv I t on

is cquir d by dir ct individu 1 ppl ie ion

to th tional Executiv which " t ion 1

Execut ivc has th r ht to r nt or re

the .pp c n t th r m p t u .

(i' ) 0 0 h ount 0 or t he .. _.: -_ .. "... v ......•

cu i f eed i h h 0 r of

r ntin me bership t us w r al 0 rv n

to Branch Ch irm n . Th condi t ion b in

th t / ••••.

P e Two

h. pr o sp c v . b r o id un ron

o r i, n tion p r iod of hr aon h • in

the orient tion period th pTO P t t v

is r m'l ris d with th on tl u ti on , 0 i }',

principle, i ~ d cb j c c t Lv

ment . The Bra nc hEx cu t iv th n iv n

. b rship car and r ad the d cl r ion

which ach and ev ry m mber d cl r . h

d laration is b\nding on all m mb T'IL Th

part of the declaration wh'ch state~ h t

m mber sh 11 never at ny ime b party 0

the exploit tion and oppression of hi flow

bIn ks b rs a~ member 0 f thc 8PC from

ev idence which will b used for oppr ina

his people. or doing anything wi th other gro'lps

that militates against the inteTest 0 his

people.

(iii) A membership fee of One Rand (Rl,OO) is

e uircd. A m mber is required to P Y w~nty

c e.n mOï.thl}' su ription. ho er J the oothly

subscr' ptions ar not a must b cause the ov -ment saware of the poverty in th bl ek n t' on.

502 I .

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(iii) Membership is open to bl eks only. The a e

from over seventeen years is the determining

factor. National Execut· ve ,howevcr , i

empowered to considcr appl ic ti n from

people under the prescribed age. There is

no provision for supporters in the BPC.

3. T c Black P ople' s Convention is a pol it ical movement

£or Black people who have united to seek their

1iberat . on. I am a member of the BPC.

4. Whatever act on ascribed to me came about as a result

of my desire to see a liberated black nation. 1

bel ieve that I 1 ave done noth· ng to endanger the

maintenance of law and orde. nOT did I have the

intent to do so.

5. I have never eo spi red with any of the accused nor

with any other person.

~ the time of th PTo-Fr limo I 8 a m mb r of the BPe.

I was called by Brother Harri Singh to come do n 0

Durban. He 'phoned me. On my ar r iva} in Durban Brothers

5ath!. Cooper. Muntu Myez. and Mo i a LekOt infor ed

that theTe was going to be a rallY, 1 was under the

impression I .•...

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impression th t the Vice ree nt , Broth Co lin

Jefiries and the Public Relations Officer, Brother

Harri Singh, had given their blessing to the

proposal as both stayed in Durban.

I went with Brothers Muntu Myeza and Saths Cooper

to the newspapers to give the story of the rally.

The following day I went with Brothers Harri Singh

and Haroon Aziz to Mozambique. Our mission was to

get speakers who would address the rally. We met

Brother Monte iro, the Minister of In£ormat ion, in

the Provisional Mozambique Government. He could not

help us in any way.

As stated above, I had a hand in the advertisement

of the rally.

To my knowledge all the presumptions from (b) to (g)

have no relation whatsoever ith the proposed rally.

The 0110. i t i h hn T cc e 0 Y t i 1 1

Black P ople's Convention, sin r ch , 1Q7l t up

unt r ; vCtvv~f • 1:H4. i wUl P 1'0 cnv the.,,, ...~"t·__......\. --- ..I. _ .... \.,. --- _r . \-... .............. ...•..., ".6 ..... 1I.t .. "'., "" ....,•• ""u,.'" 'OJI. .. 4V & _\...vu ".~U" UlII CQ.

1. On the 9th Jun 1973 th r w _ a 'atlonJll r:olu,ril

meet ing which st rted t Ph rm cy Hou • Br ont in

in Johannesburg. The m etin continu d t Dub

Villag in Chr 1 Mo d to s hou I 0 in Joh nn sbur .he irst part 0 the me ting wa pur lyon th

administration and running of the movem nt , Th

second session was devoted to reports from branch 5

and ational Exccut ve.

2. On the morning 0 the lOt Jun, 197 s w w re

washing and preparing ourselves to leave we wer

engaged in an informa discussion. Sipho Buthelezi,

the then ecreta ry-Gener 1 te sed i ibudi ng n ,tJl then ation 1 Org m aer . Sipho a d th t

o~i bud i IL a w a 1in" b eau hl nin a plvin".., . '_ -him troubl • S'pho th t Sh ouId h v

ordered osibudi to be il1ed becau e he ouId be

u 1es s / ••••••

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useless in war. The discussion c r ri d on 0 our

present invo 1vement . Sipho n tos ibud i empha c; i d

that we must lay stress on cons ient i z tion so h t

the people would be ready. It was said that when

the revolution comes there would be mourning and

we i g amcn gs t I ildr n and WOmen. 0 mention was

made of any method to be used.

(a) Persons who were present in this meeting were

Mandla Tisane t Mncedisi Sishuba, Sipho Buth 1 z i

and Mosibudi Mangena. Of these mentioned it is

unlikely that Mandla or Mncedici would ive evidence.

Mangena is on the island serving a five =a r

sentence for conviction under the Terrorism Act.

Sipho has left the country and Mandla just like

Mncedisi has faded out of the scene.

(b) The talk/discussion was informal and not official.

It cannot be regarded a R ta) k that is binding

on the movement.

(c) In my opinion no one is available to give evidence t

if there can be any t on thi me t' ng.

3. On the 8th June, 1974, I addressed a meeting at

Sibasa I .....

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Sibasa. I t was dur in my tour as at i.ona I Organ i ze r ,

The meet ing w s held in church bu i Id ing and w s

well attended. A me ber of the audience as ed me

whether God approves of violence and whether BPe

bel ieves in violence. In my reply I made i t cl ca r

that the ways of God are above man's. I said that

God was violent on the Egypt ians in order to free

the children of Israel. I made it clear that on

their way to Canaan they fought wars and God gave

them power. I then said that if necess ry violence

will be considered.

(a) I can recall Tarisani, the Pre sident of 8pe,

Maanda Negoda and Leslie Ramahulane. The rest

of the people are not known by name to me. I

have heard rumours to the effect that Tarisani

h b n subpoenaed to give evidence for the

State.

(b) I did not make a direct exhortation to violence

hence I see no possible way of being associated

wi th violence.

4. On the 1SthSeptember, 1974 f I addressed a symposium

at / ••••••

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Kajee Hall in Durban. I w s amongst a p nel of s ix

or seven speakers wh' ch w re Brothers 'orm n

Dub z _nc, P ndelani efolouhodwe, H r r i Sin h ,

Doctors Manas Buthelezi and Ch pman Pa weni

toge her wi th .1r. Zcph .10 hupin. Rev.

Mashwabada Mayat hut a was the Master of Ceremonies.

The theme of the symposium was Black Con ciou n

The organisers of this venture were the Durban

branches assisted by the Public Relations Officer,

Brother Harri Singh nd the Vice President, Broth r

Collin Jeffries. I have no idea what role, if any,

did Brother Sat h Cooper pl y.

S. Though in my sp eh [ sa' d nothing about v io1 nee

I nonetheless referred to th extinction of whites

in my reply to a question. The question wanted to

know what w would do to 1iberals and people like

Mrs. Suzman. I used the say ing "I f one is 8iven

different kinds of snakes and one is asked to pick

a non-poisonou snake one would in tbe process

because the first snake might be the dangerous one.

So for our safety we must kill all snakes". Althou h

Id'd no thereafter m dir ct c lloill

whi tes the saying imp! i d or r th r I by impI ic ion

meant th t whites will be killed. This i not th,

pol icy / ••••.

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po ey of th 0'1 nt thou h Individu 1 m mbcrst.. _

r o l j, to t . "AP' es s d h"" " v s t r on yon thi. i u . To U s ion bo t io1 nc id

that violenc is m t d to u d 11y by wh' tes nd wc

have to do the s me. Th ano ï o 1 us ed w th

when one is in p in onc oes to a doctor who cur the

pain by n inj ction th r by inf1 iet 'ng more pain

which will cure. Or. Manas But.he l e z I said th t he

h 1 i in di t logue and he wanted to know ~h tour

standpoint was. I s id that it was difficult to t

around a table wIth a person who boss s you. It

calls upon you to p rry the blows or sorb t n m

til you a so can counteract and thereby force th

opponent to sit down and list n to your say.

() P p I who nded and whose names I ree 1 re

Harri 5ingh, Mashuvabada Mayathula, Dr. Manas

Buthelezi, Or. Chapman Palweni, ~enziw Mb 0,

Bithuleie Cindi, Rev. Cooper, Collin Jeffr'c ,

Coastal Gov or, Ahmed Sawa, tr s . Vino Coop

T • Sandra 5ingh J Mrs. Gwen Mokoape and Mrs.

Bridget te Mabandla. I had come with ahlonwa

5khues na.

(b) Har r i Singh, Ahmed Bawa and lahIanda Skho ana

together with Reverend Mashwabada Mayathul r

presently (i.e. at the time of writIng) being

de t a.i ned I .....

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detain

( J Th rity 0 i in h l r 0 . c i.on

t r n r p of t p in the ymposiu

but it s m if th y do not h v r n r i

of my sp h though I m not too c rt n 0 this.

6. During the period 0 the sympo lum I s l ep tIn

Tay 0 R th r with hlomol S hos n •

As we were drink' ng nd loo ing t th r e I in ry ~_ id

5 uch places 1

indie ted th tit would b dangerou to OUT broth r

and the neighbourin bl ek community.

(a) Th' tal does not in my opinion warrant attention

because we were generally drinking and it w s just

informal.

(b) Other than SkIos n who presently' in

detention there was Ross Selahle ho is a tudent

at U B ~edical F cul ty.

7. In the night of September, 14th, 1974 there was a

caucus at Harri Singh t place. P ople present wer

Dr. I .

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Dr. Aubrey Mokaap » T. G n 10 0 P • Il rri Sin h ,

Mrs. Sandr Sin h , S th Coop rt tr s , Vino Cooper

and the t tog th rw' th 11'. eph to hupin .

We w re xpl ining Bl ek Conse iousn 0 \1'.

Mothip ng who w s te eh rof PAC. During our

talks it became clear that 8pe and PAC d id not

differ much in major issues. I cannot r call xac t l y

everything that was said more so that Dr. Aubrey

Mo'koap and I 1ad "0 l' av ("Ol'" P.oth~' s . 1"

came back after about two hours.

8. This bring to ned l count of me ing~ wh rein

liberation w s discus d. Other meetings I a t nded

have been scc ount ed for in th statement

the Security police.

wrote for

9. In the exhibits th t have been supplied by th St te

some of them have b en written by me. 1 will at empt

to give the reader a cl ear idea of documents I wrote

and th pur~ose f which I wrote them as well as

how and wh re they ere distributed.

(i) In h

pag

documentary exhlbit

160/161 app r 1

ol",ulO ïcur r .. )

r dd. 9/9/7 •

Th1S letter as ritten by e to all the

branches I .....

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branches of BPe.

(a) Tho letter LnIo rmed m robers of he us-

pension of the Secret ry-Gener 1. It 1so

a announced telection of an acting PRO

F r t l e r nnoun m nt or a t Lona I Congress

rg ing members to acquaint themselves with

the pol icy and eons i tut ion wi th a vi w of

reviewing and formulating policy as well as

ammending the constitution.

(b) The dministrative assistant posted the

letters to the different branch ~.

(ii) On page 162 of volume 1 appears cheques. The

money was the allowance I received from BPC.

The cheque was issued by the Secretary-G ner 1.

(iii) In volume I, pages 165/167 and 169 appears a

paper on BPC policy. It was compiled by me.

(a) I delivered the paper at a ational Council

Session on the 16th March I 197 t St.

usgar1st Wilgespruit. This is not the

original copy. I had to de troy th

original copy after ational Council found

a portion th.eof as likely to incriminate

the / ••••••

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th mov nt . Th por ion I had to d 1 t

It 0:- r y b u 1 Bl c i h nd. ,

t g sh d your olden blood for

yo T r w rd i mor pr cious th n gold" •

. hen ed by the Polic I did iveas not

the t rue vel' ion s will be seen in lIy

police st tem nt ,

(b) Wh tappe l'S in th ppr i no my wor

but purely a compilation oi p l

cov r d y BPC pol Y 1'0 d,rC-rent

commission reports a we 1 !) rl VUt the

former Vice President' 5 P per.

(c) Tl e p per on pol icy h b n dis tri bu t d

to branches and to different II mb 1'5.

(iv) In volume 1, P.168 a letter dd . 16/9/14 ppe r s ,

It was written by le to the Rand O~ily '1

following wrong repor in the s m pape r .

The administrative assisted is supposed to have

handed the lett r to R.D•. offices.

(v) In volume 1, p.l70/171a handwritten copy of

the same statement appears.

(vi) I .....

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(v i) On p , 173 fund rlsing circular ppears.

It w s never used.

(vii) On p . 114 a press tatement I issued to the

RAnd Daily Mail offer the semin r-conferences.

It was handed to Brother erache! a

reporter with the R.D.M. It was not published.

(viii) On p.17S/176 a 1 tt e I wrote to the 1

Executive in 1973 September calling for a

National Counc aI meeting rt r the benn.ing

of he secretary-Gener and th v c -Presid nt.

(ix) On pages 177/.80 i s a private docum nt which was

not published neither ~as it di stributed to

any member. The original and duplicate e

available. The original I handed to Mr. Dr ke

Koka and the duplicate I kept with me. The

duplicate was left in Durban during one of my

visits there.

(x) On pp. 181/182 is a paper I delivered at a

BAWUsymposium at Orl ndo lJ.O.C.C • .iii JU1~,.,

1974. The copy ~as lIith Mr. Drake Koka ho

asked for it.

(ii) / ••••.•

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(xi) On pp. 183/184 is a paper on fund-raising

tOUT by the Da lu i musical group. This w 5

a private document which w 5 not di tribut d.

Only four copies were typed.

(xii) PP. 185/197 a handwritten copy of the same

Dasluld tour.

10. With regard to othe 5 I . tt ndod the j Ieo

versions given in the Police statement ar correct.

The second police statement (copy Hut dióil b!e)

is incr"minating and it might be useful for Coun 1

to peruse that statement. To give an example of

what is contained in that statement or rather an

idea of what is in that statement :

(a) The Black People' Convention has two images.

One is the innocent side that is displayed

for the publ ic and the other is known by the

inner group which consists 0,£ founder members,

past and present executive members. The side

of the inn T group is the one that knows about

the violent ov rthro of the white government.

(b) The above passage any others of a similar

nature may be drummed down the throats of state

witnesses I .

KOMO

1. I have been a b r oC t e BPC from r ch t 197 :s nd

after D cemb r , L is) d in the ur the r P rtlcul 5

1 have not t t end d sin conf r nee. t nd d

one ational Congres_ , on ympos and not n 1

r lly. T have not t't n d a m etin in upport oflo

SASOo

2. (a) I became a member of the Black People' 5

Convent ion.

(b) I became a member in March, 1971.

(c) Prom the month of March, 1973 to now, a , . he

time of writing. My membersh'p will c n nue

until I resign or get exp lIed from the ove.ent.

(d) Y.s, 1 did attain executive pos' tion

(i) I was Chairman of the Daveyton Branch of

BPC from March, 1973 to January, 974.

In December, 1973 I was elected into t he

office of the' ational Organiler •

(ii) 1 r s Ign d Ch irm n of th D yton

br nr-h in January, 197 after I h d be n

elected ational Organiser - a position I

beld / •••••

,

1 -

(xi On pp. 83/1 i a P P r on .:1 fund-raising

tOUT by the na uk i c 1 eup . Thin wa

pr Iv te docu n hi h w 5 not di tribut d.-Only four copies were typ d.

Dooil,u~i t cur .

10. With regard to oth r meetings I ttend d th j~tl ~

versions given in h Police st tement a r e correct.

The ~~conJ pol ice

is incrim!n ting and it might be useful for Counsel

to peruse that st' meut . To 'vc:ln exampl of

wh t is contained in th t t t ment or rather n

idea of what is . n that st tem nt ;

(a) Th Bl ek People's Convent' on has two im es.

One is the innocent ide that is dl play d

for th publ ic and the oth r 5 nown by th

inner group which consi ts of found r m lib r ,

t and present cutive members. Th ióe

of the inner group is the one th t kno s bout

the violent overthro of he white go ernmcnt.

(b) Th bov p ny 0 h r 0 r

nature may be drum ed down the hroats of 5 te

itnes es I .

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':tnesses so that they enough it as it ppears.

Most of the messages in that statement were

dicta ted to me by the Pol ice . I greed to some

of the things th, su ge~ t cl out oi er.

ll. in my opinion }e stat ment should throw some l'Rht

=~.~'=t;V'tjACO dllrinll the period March, 1973 to

October, 1974.

..

NKWENKWE NKOMO..

1. I have been a member of the BPC from March, 1973 andas

after December, 1973/ st t in he fUT her particulars

I have not attended a single conference. I attend d

one National Congress, one symposium and not a single

rally. I have not attended a meeting in support of

SASOo

2. (a) 1 became a member of the BlacK People's

Conventiu •

(b) I became a m~mL~r In M~rch. lQ73.

(c) From the rnuath of March. 1973 to now, i. e. he

time of writing. My membership will continue

until I resign or get expel1 d fr~m the movement.

(d) Yes. 1 did attain executive position

(i) 1 was Chairman of the Daveyton Branch of

BPC from Ma.rch, 1973 to January, 1974.

In December, 1973 I was elected into the

office of the National Organizers.

(ii) I resigned as Chairman of the D~ - yton

branch in January, 1974 after I had been

elected ational Organiser - a position 1

held I .....

Collection Number: AD1719

State v S Cooper and 8 others.

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