2nd seminar report

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2do SEMINARIOBARCELONA3, 4, 5 y 6 may 2012

1RST DAY

15h00Opening, welcoming, informing on Mardi Codolar

Short welcome from the team, with each member saying a few opening words. The representant of Marti Codolarpresents the place and informs the group about practicalities.

15h15Human Bingo

Starting with a round of names, the rules of the Human Bingo are

explained: each person will receive a bingo sheet and should find

one different person for each of the questions asked.

15h30Safari on Marti Codolar

The group is divides in 3 smaller groups. Each group has 45 minutes to solve the challenges on the task sheet for the

safari.

The groups go out on Marti Codolar and outside to. After 45 minutes the groups get back together at the working

room and share the results of the safari.

16h30Coffee Break

17h00Collective Time Line

From the last seminar 'til now, people went back to their countries, jobs, personal life. Some of the people may have

met or communicate somehow, but the connections from the last seminar are now fainted and we need to get back

together, looking at each other and strengthening the group. The way we propose to do that is trying to make up for

the time away and share what happened to us since the last seminar. For this people will use post its (one per event)

and right there in topics / short sentences something professional, personal, about the project, about moments when

people met or communicate, about social / country events that were significant for that person.

As they right the ideas on the post it they should put them in the time line that is in the wall.


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TIME LINE notes

Fragility of security (economic) in life, but positive attitude

Lot has happen and we're still ALIVE

Political global / european worrying situation - democracy somehow is in danger

It is a challenge to promote participation...

When you participate in something how in to that you are and for how long... in the beginning of a seminar and

such a project we are very committed and then when all this all happen, you lose it in the way... You forget to be as

committed as you were.

We are living in a stressful situation (country and personal) but the affect it has to us was add to the things we do

Many references to people loosing jobs it is the opposite side of more and more...

We are in a european project, with european money, thinking about participation and we can't vote for our

government

It was a period focusing in the personal and in the process. In terms of politics I always stepped out of politics i

changed my attitude, in terms of talking to people. Being more cheeky. Not having the problem to harass

politicians. Even in terms of local government...

There is a high bridge between one side and the other... as you get close to seminar 2 we get more and more post

its

FROM CP?Meetings and contacts for CP

Being unable to follow the project in a virtual environment

I am in a participatory process and i participate so little. It is not a good feeling. We can have excuses - but if I say

let's do, I want to do. I lose the train

We don't put so much info but we discussed about the project and one idea was to find one thing about our

project that is connected to clearing. we found a project that maybe could be connected.

It is very difficult to maintain

How to keep clearing a project and keep our own project

Connection doesn't work

Difficult to study the other projects

Virtual stuff would need animation... we let it so open...

We talk alone in the platformWe need several different Fotis... and people to contest to Fotis

We have to have a reason to do it and people to follow this reason

The platform is important but is not urgent. Sometimes urgent means somebody is waiting

I took good things from the 1st seminar that reflect on my work - now I take calm...

It needs continuity

18h00Why am I here (again)?

As the last moment for the day, after getting back to the group, we need to

prepare to dive in this second seminar. To do that, the group should be

reminded of the walk done so far. From there, the program for the seminar is

presented, along with the goals for it and the participants are asked to answer

the question: why am I here... again? In post its, which are then shared and putaround the program.

18h30End of the working day


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2ND DAY

9h30Daily plan

9h40 - The Tale of the 2 Villages

Se conforman los grupos del da anterior (verdes, amarillo, rojo)

Leen la historia de las dos villas y discuten durante 10 minutos cmo resolver la situacin,

qu pregunta deben formular.

No fue fcil - usamos escenarios posibles

Cuando trabajas en algo no logras ver claro, luego te

separas un poco y aparece la respuesta

Tena que ser simple, pero comenzamos a complicarnos

Para algunos era ms sencillo buscar la respuesta en

grupos, para otros cuando las tareas son complicadas se

tiende a trabajar de manera individual

No haba tiempo para escuchar y pensar a la vez

Trabajar en grupo hace ms fcil encontrar la solucin

porque hay ms ideas, se construye desde diversos sitios

Al principio pareca simple, luego vimos que era

complicado, y luego vimos que la respuesta era simple

El proceso es complicado, no la solucin

Es fcil hacer las preguntas correctas?

Pensar mejor antes de hacer las preguntas

Los mentirosos complican nuestra vida

Las preguntas correctas para nosotros mismos, no para hacer a los dems, eso es manipulacin

10h00

Reviewing Clearing & Clearing the ViewGoing back to the project as whole, review the project scheme and allow people to share their perspective on it.

Besides what we are doing and through what steps, there is the issue of how we're doing it. Within what strategy or

pedagogical approach. So not only as we put it in Lisbon is the process supposed to be itself participatory, as the

methodology is based in some principles that it is important to remind people about:

1 it is a NFE/L setting

2 Competence Development is self-directed (for what concerns KSA - it is not an academic / theoretical / conceptual

training nor a training of multipliers)

Meaning that, as the facilitators team, we take on the role to facilitate the construction of individual and collective

competence development processes, in different roles:

- we can give you the hand and pull you

- we can give you the hand and walk side by side

- we can give you the hand and be pulled by you

So, in an attempt to allow you as much as possible to bring you to lead

the way, here is in a different way what the project is all about.

And we can look at it the other way around, starting from the

publication, which will consist of:

- the theoretical framework for the concepts here implied

[PARTICIPATION, CITIZENSHIP, PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY,

PARTICIPATORY PROCESSES]

- the training referential

- best practices references

- testimonies shaped by this group.


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So far this publication has the skeleton and some meat. But there is meat messing, that we intend to find with you,

based on the assumption that there is not 1 right way or THE best model. There is no formula. In face of so diverse and

ever changing practices, it is not possible to apply one recipe to all. BUT: there are things that are common and

constant. There are elements that we can say assure quality. And those are the ones we are going to share with the

purpose to allow anyone that did not participate in any of the 3 projects, to use this publication and learn as much as

possible as we all are doing.

So, reviewing: you are already practitioners / multipliers; with specific practices in specific territories; characterized by

what is the intervention they generate; and characterized by a certain way of doing.

Checking the way we do it with some assessment questions will allow us to go deeper on aspects we want and have

the chance with clearing to be experts on.

The result of the work that may come out of these focusing will shape the publication (the best practices and the

testimonies).

And in the end it will all go back to each one of us as competence development!

From this path we got to describe the flag. Today we are going to get to describe the how and tomorrow we are going

to start deciding on and defining the focuses and the orientation to shape the publication and the competence

development (it is an exercise every time that is a win to outside and individual).

10h15Sharing of Existing How's

So we say we got to describe the flag, and we assume that it was difficult to answer to the how. But some of you did

take that step. We asked Fotis and Ana to share on this...

Fotis

"How + a little bit of focus"

I was always confused when I am thinking on the focus and when it is about the how

1 - how the assembly works [consensus if can't majority]

2 - subject of the assemblies

3 - how I wrote all this:

It was really really difficult - I made the presentation of the urban crops... it was really easy to focus on the

initiative itself..The operational . How it works

The important thing was the participation and the how of the participation

What makes it participatory / what ruins the participation

How you make it participatory

a) what makes it participatory it's a bit more easy

b) the problems of the part proc in this:

. the most important for me is that after a while everybody focus on their own personal goals and not the group

goal, the common goal and it is very easy to make that mistake because you think you're working on your own

which is common goal

. the most basic problem is that as time goes by you go apart from this group thinking and you do not notice your

goals are getting distant from the common ones

. in the beginning there is something that connects everybody in the group to reach this common goal- another basic problem that affect the part proc is that there are people in groups more active and the rest that

other will act more so you feel secure you have leaders

. most of the people in the group need to have someone in front which is bad because you need to be equal, you

need to feel equal in participation

. the result can be the same but the way you think about is different

. if you have a part proc then the leader does not decide, but others expect its opinion first

. I miss a lot of collective work, I realize I work on my own

c) people who are not used to it feel the debate is a wasted of time, because .. getting practical - lets find the

answer and go with it

Going from consensus to majority is a decision that comes to early because people feel it is a wasted of time!!

The most important is to strengthen the participation!!! and not solve the problems of the initiative

Feel more like a team - community

Do side groups (without losing the basic core)

To create a side project created another way of connecting us


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Do the things more collectively

Group leisure with 'people from outside' - getting bigger

There is a 'war' between what makes it more participatory and less participatory

Joo - in the beginning of the process they don't want to be there but then they come

if the process is really collective the people that are more individualist they get aside... if the movement wants to

involved them, it maintain the window open...

Ana:

- participatory process for assessment and taking decisions for 'recommendations'

- focused on stakeholders engagement

- methods not to leave any stakeholder behind

- method based on principles

. inclusivity - recognizing the right for every part to be heard

. materiality - finding relevance

. impact

. respond - to the things the stakeholders express as needs and aspirations

thinking strategically:

- why are we engaging

- what to engage about

- who do we want to engage

what really are the questions, the things we want to ask the people

criteria to decide on engagement of who - this part is very important and takes time just for working on that - IS IT

PARTICIPATORY? it is internal and someone makes the decision

the who comes from a set of attributes:

. responsibility

. influence

. proximity

. dependency [ARE INFLUENCED?]

. representation

persons - organizations and identification of the person

10h45My How

Presentation of the questions we got to in the last seminar, both interviewing Felix and working on groups for specific

question groups.

What we need to be clear about is that, answering to the how we develop our practices means replying to the

questions found on all the 4 boxes! The ones that make sense to the practice and practitioners in case.

Each person has 1h15m to look at the questions, talk to each other, talk to us, and prepare the presentation of the

how. Before lunch, we are going to make the exhibition of the 'how's.

15h00Case Study

As como en Lisboa tuvimos la presentacin de una experiencia, en este seminario contamos con una persona del

Ateneu9barris que comparti con nosotros/as los distintos momentos por los que fue atravesando la experienciahasta llegar al momento actual.

16:30The Hows

Pegan los HOWS en las paredes recorridos por los paneles pequeas conversaciones

PLENARIO: no encontramos an el how hemos avanzado desde el seminario de Lisboa hasta hoy

Hemos dado un gran paso, no todos partimos del mismo sitio, no todos dimos el mismo paso, no estamos en el mismo

punto pero hemos avanzado. Tenemos el material suficiente para continuar trabajando maana desde este punto.
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3ER DAY

Llega Marta Comentamos mail enviado por Marina

Dibujar el contorno de la mano en un papel en blanco I dont know my hands

Plan de actividades para el da hemos aprendido a hacernos la pregunta acerca del

how

OPEN SPACE. Qu dimensin de los procesos participativos-participacin quieren

profundizar ahora?

ANA 1 hora evaluacin de procesos participativos

KONSTANTITA find things to motivate the participation on platform

FOTIS exchange economic processes / romantics or not? (We strongly believe in participation?)

DELPHI comunicacin entre promotores participantes o potenciales participantes

DIONISIOS toma de decisiones en pequeos y grandes grupos

TERESA the risk and traps of PPss

JOAO how to make institutions to use a participatory method in local level to improve a method

AZUCENA complicity and confidence in participation / different interest, engagement

STABROS e-participation and the role in participatory processes

STABRULA political and social situation in each countries, find common situations, common points to continue

15H00

Brainstorming about the interest groups

PURPOSE PURPUSE AND SIDE AFECT SIDE AFECT

To go deep on thereflection, practices

To generate outcomes

(WHAT KIND DO

OUTCOME?)

Create synergies betweenprojects and practices

PlanningWork together

To support each other

To share ideas and goodpractices;

Making more practical the

theoretical part that is

being discussed;

Exchange different

viewpoints;

Talk about bad practices

(not to be repeated);

To focus a specific part of

the all;

To identify our interest as

a initial way to form the

groups.


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Creation of groups

Each person individually, having in mind these days will select his/ her interest (choose) 5 minutes and possibly

more

- Stamos - Development and study of community projects economically valuable and ethically soundly (with valuefor people);

- Ana - Leadership in participatory project and decision making and the governance of the project;- Paqui - Governance: Is it possible to Share responsibility, do we need leaders - Joao - How to lobby and advocate for participation?- Marta Feel lost (need for content input)- Teresa - How to implicate people in processes; personal commitment and participation; how implication works;- Fortis Blank. Bottom up to create together the interest of the group;- Dyonisis Governance and decision making: means to create and manage networks.- Mrcia - What for? Happiness, improve citizenship, democracy, - Delphi Relationship between promoters of the processes and people who participates.- Zoe - Participatory alternative spaces for learning. Participatory tools- Konstntina - New ways of raising awareness specially on human rights field- Anne How involve and commit people- Azucena Tension between spontaneous and models (to have or not to have a methodology)- Stravoula To focus in actions in different types of communities (alternatives ways of living)- Stravos Croud sourcing projects (start, development and evaluate phases) tools

Time to think and talk in order to discover the possible interest groups.

Difficulty of groups of interest. Time for talking together and trying to find groups of interests.

Debate after the difficulty of creating groups.

a) Bottom up Let it be messy! (Fotis, Teresa, Stravos)b) Community project, financial balance and ethical grounds (Joao, Stavros, Paqui)c) Governance, leadership and decision making (Joao, Stavros, Paqui)d) New ways of learning and raising awareness in a participatory way (Konstantina, Zoe, Azucena, Marta)

When program was to be started, a participant asked to have more information about the project and where was the

project to be led. Other participants spoke about the freedom and how happy are with it. Discussion continued until

the facilitators spoke about their expectations and the way things development.


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4th DAY

Se renen los grupos constituidos el da anterior y trabajan sobre el planing para los prximos meses.

Comunity accin

StamosStabrula

El primer paso ser buscar ejemplos en Portugal, Grecia y otros pases

europeos.

Buscar caractersticas de estas comunidades.

Modelo de organizacin de estas comunidades.

Viabilidad econmica y conexin con el resto de la sociedad.

Reflexiones en el grupo sobre cmo sera interesante que funcionen.

Butonup

FotisStabrus - Teresa

Contactar iniciativas en nuestros pases, make some questions, qu hacen, cmo

lo hacen (en el sentido de la participacin), quines son las personas que estn

implicadas, herramientas que usan como punto de arranque, cuando todo

comienza. Cmo emergen estos movimientos?

No queremos slo recoger informacin vamos a explicarles qu estamos

haciendo y preguntar si alguien quiere compartir con otros grupos y qu quiere

compartir con otros grupos.

Utilizaremos el email. Comenzaron a elaborar las preguntas.

Liderazgo

AnaPaquiJoao - Delphi

Representamos organizaciones muy diferentes.

1- Describir las prcticas que cada organizacin est realizando, identificar siestamos trabajando horizontalmente o no.

2- Identificar nuestros temores en estos procesos de lidership yhorizontalidad

3- Identificar otras prcticasUsaremos al principio google doc poner la informacin sistematizarla

(caractersticas organizaciones, tipo de organizaciones, modelos de

management, cuntas personas trabajan) elementos para identificar cun

horizontal es una institucin

Al final pretendemos producir recomendaciones para nuestras propias organizaciones y para otros

Haremos un timetable

New ways of learning

KonstantinaZoeAzucenaAnne?Marcia?

Marta y marcia no estn seguras si quieren seguir en este grupo

Social exclusin perspectiva de gnero una de las entidades ya tiene un

proyecto de exclusin social y de gneroUsar social media, google doc, trabajar informalmente,

Conectar este proyecto con intermediae, crear links

It is posible to make a learning-participatory process? How?

Xenia, Susana, Nuno, Lucrecia

How are we building a participatory process in CLEARing?

Assumption: we are crossing two components training and participation

Explore if it is possible

We are creating everything step by step. Can we sistematize it in order to

make it a 'product'/an transferrable approach?What we are going to do:


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1 Find the levels we have to look at

2 Register and describe the moments so far and put it on dipity (making a reflection on 'this was how it was / this is

how it could have been'

NEXTS STEEPS

Proyectar la Lnea del tiempo desde el seminario actual hasta el seminario de Grecia.

1- Definir fecha seminario: 26 al 30 de septiembre (opcin a) 3 al 7 octubre (opcin b)Se hace en Atenas o fuera? La propuesta es hacerlo fuera de Atenas y que dure 5 das para tener uno para visitar

Atenas.

Intentaremos hacerlo en cuatro das dejar el da extra al principio o al final y trabajar el programa en 4 das

Fechas seminario final oporto: 5 al 9 diciembre

2- PlataformaEl grupo que en el open space trabaj el tema presenta la propuesta

Hay dos maneras de comunicarse: manera formal (la plataforma), y otra informal (tweeter,) En la plataforma

colgar los documentos para visibilizar este proyecto

Cada grupo puede decidir un hastag para cada grupo, para el proyecto

Algunas personas usan facebook, otras tweeter, otras mailsProblema plataforma: no genera notificaciones, se volver a preguntar a bruno

Necesitamos la plataforma para trabajar, poner los resultados, pero necesitamos encontrar otra forma de estar

en contacto, y esto depende de la personalidad de cada uno. Platform must be used as an aquiver but more

organized and must use notifications.

Importance of building the platform together. Proposals: to make it simple (ex. to start with a free blog), to

include more accessible data (ex. of participants), never the less was focused the importance of following other

groups work. Susana explained that will give Bruno feedback and will see with him what to do to taylor made the

platform.

3- Personas que no asistieron al seminario Once Elisa and Silvia has left, the decision was for Maria Jos, Marinaand Zoe. Importance of integrate people in the group. Who does it: facilitators? Partcipsnts? Zoe showed

availability to contact Marina and put her on the process. The Greek group will integrate Zoe. To several

questions (to integrate, have responsibility for them and to support them in the process) the group agree. Whatis this happen in September? If someone can`t come do we accept another person? The group didnt agree (this

is about participation and not representation). Testimony of someone who arrives late: difficulty to participate.

Another argument stressed the importance of receiving other peoples. The idea ended by deciding not to discuss

an abstract phase and being able to discuss a concrete case if it happened.

Como marco de trabajo comn a todos los grupos, se acordaron las siguientes pautas:

Todos los/las participantes del proyecto tienen que hacer parte de un grupo de trabajo En el prximo seminario cada grupo tendr que presentar qu y cmo ha trabajado

Las personas que no asistieron al seminario revisarn los materiales que cada grupo de trabajo comparta en la

plataforma para identificar si encuentran algn grupo al que se quieran unir. Recibirn el apoyo tanto de los

coordinadores de cada pas como de algunos participantes para reengancharse en el proyecto.

EVALUATION

Se reparten cuestionarios individuales para recoger opiniones personales.

Se realiza una dinmica colectiva para complementar la evaluacin.


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