3rd seminar report

7/30/2019 3rd Seminar Report

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3er SEM INARIO ATEN AS 11 , 12, 13 y 14 o ct 20 12

1RST DA Y (11th o f Octo ber 2012, 15h00 18h30)

Session Goals

To get the group of part ic ipants back in to the col lect ive and in presenceatmosphere ;

To ge t jo in t overv iew o f t he 5 / 6 m onths be tw een the last sem inar and the cur ren tone;

To bu i ld fu r ther and m ore consisten t ly the t eams o f the in te rest g roups; To look a t w hat happen so far fo r w hat concerns the w ork in the in t e rest g roups

and CLEARing in gen eral;

To f ind grou p expectat ions for th is sem inar based on w hat t heyve done so far ; To a l low fo r appropr ia t ion o f t he p rogram m e and t he goals o f the seminar f rom t he

group;

To review and update individual expectations for CLEARing as a learning processand as a pro ject.

W elcom ing and Int roduct ion to th e Sem inar

Gett ing back togeth er

En e l p r imer seminar io e laboramos

un mapa (geogrf ico) sobre el quetrazamos relaciones a part ir de

caractersticas comunes o

complementar ias que los

part ic ipantes iban ident i f icando

entre s . En el segundo seminario

e laboramos una l nea de l t iempo,

puntual izando aquel los eventos que

haban a fectado a cada uno de los

part ic ipantes desde los in ic ios del

proyecto . Ahora que hemos

recorr id o un cam ino junt os, indagamo s en el m apa actu al de las re laciones entr e part ic ipantes-

experiencias, ms al l del mapa geogrf ico y el m arco tem poral.

Overv iew of w hat h appen so far? Presenta t ions of the q uest ionna ires

Tras realizar una lectura glob al de los cuestion arios ent regados a los participant es para

conocer e l estado actual d el t r abajo de los grupo s de in ters, se ident i f ican una ser ie

de ideas fuerza que aparecen de fo rm a recurrent e en la m ayor part e de sto s.

Al l the persons (and groups) have ident i f ied t hemselves w i th the them e and w ere m ot ivated for i tdur ing th is t ime;

Al l the groups started explor ing the topic, st ing goals, some groups crested a work plan, otherscrested too ls, others even made speci f ic readings, talked w i th peo ple and developed instrum ent s.


2/12

Af ter the meet ing in Barce lona h igh mot ivat ion and invo lvement was fe l t a l though dur ing theperiod in distance most people say that: communicat ion at distance was low; fel t t ime lack; was

overw helmed b y everydays l i fe wor r ies, fel t di f f icul t ies in v i r tual meet ings/ w ork;

Str onger m ot ivat ion w as fel t c losest t o the 3 rd seminar; 2 other aspects ment ioned: feel of gui l t ; some people found new dimensions in the theme of

inter est ot hers feel th e need to go deeper.

Aparte de estos e lementos communes, se ident i f ican 4 grandes b loques temticos

(M OTIVET M E, IN TEREST M E, CHALLENG M E / AFFECT M E REFLEXION AN D PRACTISE,

THINKING AN D A CT, SAY AND D O OBSTACLES GROUP ORGANIZATION) en t or no a

los cuales se recogen en los cuest ionar ios posturas complementar ias y/o

contrapuestas.

About mot ivat ion to par t i c ipate and to be par t and make th ings poss ib le - What a f fec ts i sd i f ferent o f w hat in teres ts m e and has d i f ferent impact in par t i c ipat ion;

About instr um ent s construct ion how do w e develop a project (a hou se by the seal ing?). W hat isthe soul o f the pro jec t and what can make i t work . Wh en we w ork in th ings that don t a f fec t usth ey become ob l igat ions (som ething imp osed by outs ide);

About interv iews and how where they made l ike a technic ian that make quest ions and takeconclusions or engaging people inm aking the conclusions;

Some quest ionnaires set up leadership absence quest ion.

Personal m eet ing vs. v ir t ual netw orks w hat place does these have?

Was the di f f icul ty in communicat ingju st a dist an ce prob le m or al so a

d i f f i cu l ty in put t ing together and to

share ideas ( to put cards on t he t able). How do peop le look a t par t i c ipat ion: as

an object ive in i tsel f or as a mean to

som eth ing (change).

GROUPORGANIZATION

Th e e x p e r ie n ce o f h a v i ng w o r k ed f o rt he l ast t w o a n d a h a lf ye a rs i n a m o r epa r t i c ipa t i v eenvi r onm en t has r es u l t edi n a n e w a p p ro a ch

D u r in g t h e m e e ti n g s t o p r e p ar e t h e

t o p ic m e an t n o m a j o r p r o b l em

Th e i n t e r ac t io n b e tw e e n t h e m e m b er s

o f t h e g r o up i s cr u c i al i n o r d e r t oac h iev ea c o l l ec t i v e r es u l t

M o t i v at i o n i s t h e g r o un d z er o f o rw ha t ev e r c onc e r ns i nv o l v em en t i n

pa r t i c i pa t o r y m e t hods

A t t he beg i nn i ng s om e ear l y dead l i nesw e r e s e t ( ) T h a t d i d n t w o r k a n d t h ens om e g o a ls v e r e s e t m o st l y t o b e m o r ea cc u r at e o n b h a t w e w a n t ed t o a ch i e vet h r ough t he ex e rc i se

E ac h m e m b e r o f t h e i n t er e st g r o up ( )i s m a ki n g a n i m p o r ta n t c o n t r ib u t io n t ot h e g r o u p , b a se d o n o u r d i f fe r e ntapproaches

W e h a ve t o d o w o r k t o h a ve s om e th in gt oc om un i c a te

M O TIV ATE M EINTEREST M E AND AFECCT M ECHALLENGE M E

Ver y c ha l l engi ng ( abou t i n t e r estg r oup t op i c )

REFLEXION A ND PRACTISETHINK AND ACT

SAY AND DO

quest i on i ng myse l f i fm y process i sp a r t i ci p a t o r y e n o u gh , b u t I d o n o t r e a l l ya l w a ys m a n a g e t o d o t h i s m o r e p a r t i c ip a t o r y

M a y b e i n f lu e n ce d m e , o r m y w a y o ft h i nk ing , bu t no t nec ess a r i ly m y pr ac t i c es

OBSTACLES

I h a d m o r e p r e s en t t h e q u e s t i o n o f h o w

t o f a c i l it a t e t h e p a r t i c i p at i o n i n o u ri ns t i t u tu i on

A s t e c hn i c i an s w h o w o r k s i n p a r t i c ip a t o r y

processes, th i s exper i ence i svery va l uab l e ,s o m e h o w , n o w i n t h e r o l e o f s u b j ec t p a r t i ci p a n t

G o o d i n t en t i o n s b u t w i t h o u t s o m ek i ndo f l eader s h i p , p r oc ess es t ake

m o r e t i m e

Theactualcommun icat ion- th at wasv iai n t er ne t o r t e l ephone - m a i n ly r es t edonunde r li n ing t he nece3ss it y o f a one t oonem ee t i ng

I t w ou l dn t hav ebeen poss ib l e t o w or ki nany o t he r w ay c ons i de r ing f ac t o r ssuchasdis tance,var ietyof interests ,t imel im i ts

I d o u b t i f t h e c u r r en t c o n t e xt , v i t h t h e

d i s tanc eand w i t h on l y t hos e m ee t i ngs,w e g e t t o s o m et h i ng c o nc r et e

W h e n w e w e re b a ck t h e d ai ly l i fe w a sharder

S om et i m es bu t no t v e r y e f f ect i v el y ( )ha r d t i m ea r t i c u la t eou r ow n w or k andpersonalagendar ,espec ial l yat adis tance(aboutcommun icat ion)

So m e t i em s 1 y e a r ( ) s ee m s t o o m u c h easl y l os i ng t ouc h and ex c it em en t O n t h e o t h e r h a n d so l i tt l e


3/12

Una vez trabajada esta in fo rm acin, cada grupo de in t ers se reune para vo lcar en una

matr iz los ma in aspec ts they take f rom the shar ing , fo r the g roup, and what they

except f rom th is fo r t he g roup w ork in t h is sem inar.

Group status quo

Groups A M ain aspects they take from thesharing, for the group

B W hat they expect f rom t h issem inar for the group wo rk

Leadership

wi th in

partic ipatoryprocesses

Lack of t im e To wor k in presence; To set tasks.

Community

Action

Not much has happened; M ot ivated by the idea of mak ing a

game;

M ore cr i t ical and aware.

To do something pract ical ,in terac t i ve and funny (develop a

game);

To be m odest and real ist ic ; Not to get s t ressed ( to work

together in development

structu re) - ?

Bottom-up Let it bemessy

Not so lost interested by thesubject ;

Shou ld have started f i rst ; Not so specif ic.

Take t ime to: ref lect as a groupto n ew conclusions;

Take t im e to talk to some peopleas a grou p;

So many di f ferent things(d i f f e ren t bo t t om -up

m ovement s betw een count r ies) .

N e w w a y s o f

learningtogether

Didn t share th e some ob ject ives; Didn t know wha t t o do . Find t ime to w ork

Learningpro cesses aspartic ipatory

processes

Very busy managing input s; Need of dialogue and to systemat ize

(give i t a for m of pract ice).

Importance in dai ly l i fe ( indiv idualawareness) although time issues (self

di rect ive learning and learning

together re f lec t ion and at t i tudechange);

We want to have very par t i c ipatoryprocesses ( ideological ly) but in theend we def ine the goals

(contradict ion). He resul ts needed

afect s th e pro cess;

Put in comm on w hat w e cant change(l imi ts set he l imi ts for

part ic ipat ion).

Having t ime to explore i ttogether ;

M ake a real ist ic plan; Def ine what we are ta lk ing

abou t ;

Ident i fy the relevance (when what - for ) .

Present at ion o f the sem inars goals and program

Review ing the um bre l la expecta t ions

Practicalit ies


4/12

2 nd D AY (12th o f Octo ber 2012, 10h00 18h30)

Session Goals

M o rn in g

To close CLEARing as a facilit at ed le arn ing pr ocess; To ident i fy learn ing aspects dur ing t he p rocess; To cross experien ce of CLEARing w ith diff eren t speaker s experien ce; To explore ob stacles t o part icipatio n review ing CLEARing experience;Afternoon

To s ta r t in te rests g roup work dur ing af te rno on and t he nex t m orn ing .Program for th e day

In t roduces morn ing work ma in ques t ion to keep in mind : Does par t ic ipat ion only

hap pens wh en l i fe is perfect ? Day w ork p lan p resenta t ion .

Lesson s from learn ing

In troduce the act iv i ty goal to the group: to ident i fy the main lesson from CLEARing

par t icipa t ion exper ience in o rder to unders tand w hat w e have learned so fa r , how w e

part ic ipated in th e d i f ferent m om ents. Presentat ion of t he learn ing cycle.

The faci l ita to r ask the p ar t icipan ts to iden t i fy w hat w here the learn ing s they m ade

in each step of t he cycle and ho w th ey feel they p art ic ipate in achiev ing that learn ing.


5/12

W hat affect s part icipatio n? CLEARing as a case (notes taken on f l i pchar t f rom cycle mom ent )

RELEVANCE + TIME + CONTEXT + PURPOSE + PRESENCE

COMMOPN SPACE MOTIVATION / NEED TO REFLECT DIVERSITY BELIEVING

WE CAN DO IT RULES + RESPONSABILIZATION + AND FEELING OF

BEING RESPONSIBLE PERCEPTION OF CHANGE CHOICE BEING ACTIVE

VALUES MEANS (+) OF COMMUNICATION / INTERACTION

[TRAP OF WHAT'S EASIER] OWNERSHIP / SENSE OF BELONGING FAILURE

RESOURCES COMMITMENT PERCEPTION OF SUCCESS / COMPETENCE +

DIFFERENT PROFILES SPONTANEITY DIALOGUE / DIALECTIC EXPECTATIONS

ASSUMPTIONS

Discussion t op ics about part icipat ion in Learning cycle e xercise

Roles, leadership an d ru les; Imp act ( things change w hen peop le part ic ipate); Change percept ion; W hy people choose to / not t o par t i cipate? Part ic ipator y processes need m ore en ergy (other m odels are easier) ; Par t i c ipat ion d i f ferent f rom produc ing thought par t i cipat ion (simulat ion) ;

Goals building; Informal learning; Part ic ipat ion distance and pr esence; M eans of comm unicat ion; M eans of par t i cipat ion. M etho d Att i t udes, resources (abi l it ies and condi t ions).

Round tab le w i th 3 d i f fe rent par t icipat ion exper iencesCom plete the name of the 3 persons inv i ted.

Part ic ipat ion in a cr is is s itu at ion (no tes from 'rou nd t able ')

KNWOING THE 'OBSTACLES'/ BARRIERS AND DEALING WITH THEM

BUILDING ON THE ACHIEVEMENTS WITH NEW THINGS - ACTIVISM

PERSONAL CONDITIONS LED TO DISTRACTION / INSECURITY

RESISTANCE

ALTERNATIVE MODELS OF ACTION

[SHARED COMMON, JOINT FUNCTIONS, ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES]

= EVERYTHING BY EVERYONE DECISIONS FROM DISCUSSION

ACCEPT THE MODEL - IN OR OUT -> OK EXTERNAL VARIABLES - SYSTEM

POLITICAL - INTO SOCIAL INTERVENTION

STARTING GOAL(S) [FOCUS ON COMSUMPTION + EMPLOYMENT]

ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS

DIFFICULT TO START

MAKE A SHIFT

POLITICAL DISCUSSION / MOVEMENT 'VS' PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS / SOCIAL DIMENSION

MULTIPLYING EFFECT - from community initiative to 'service provision'

EMPHASYS ON HORIZONTALITYTEST PHASE

ASSESSMENT OF IMPACT / RELEVANCE

OPERATIONALIZATION

VOLUNTEER

BUILDING COMMON VISION EXHAUSTIVELY

WITH A LOT OF TIME

EVERYBODY HAD TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, ROTATIVELY

Lunch

W hat facil itate s and doe s not (obstacles) part ic ipat ion ?

To present to the par t ic ipan ts the ideas genera ted in the 1st seminar about

faci l ita to rs and obstac les .


6/12

FACILITATORS OBSTACLES

IN

ACTITUDES

Trust

Good com m unicat ion (em pathy, ac t ive l isten, share a

code)

Mot i va t ion

O pen t o t he env i ronment s t imu l i

Adapta t ionNegot iat ion

Indiv idual issues

Lack o f com munica t ion

CAPACITIES

Fear ( fa i lure, to be accepte d)

No inst ruc t ion

TEAM W ORK

Find a group/ team (persnal needs, w orr ies , dreams)

PLEASURE

M ETHOD AN D TOOLS

Wel l def ined goals

Feed back

Poss ibi l it y to int eract and change th e plan

M anage t h e con f l i ct

Di f ferent prof i les

OUT

RESOURCES

Sharing

TIM EEnough t im e

Short process

Lack of t im e

FREEDOM INSECURITY

BOTH POSSIBLE, FACILITATI ORS OR OBSTACLES

Scale

Time

Compromise

Communica t ion

N e t w o r k

Engagement

Feel ing that you can make i t

The di f ference

The dis tance

Resources

Shared valu es and goalsPlan t ransparency

Allow t ime to work in groups in order to ref lect on the ideas and, i f necessary, to

change, add, subt ract ideas. To d iscuss in p len ary t he ideas and o ut com e of t he grou p

discussions.

IN TEREST QU ESTION S (No t es)

- why we didn't do it? (not lack of time / purpose not strong enough)

- Find a common goal

- A way to work together

- Is the presence necessary?

- politica europea

- relevance - urgency (context)

- to promote a goal or participation as a goal

-> purpose / impact

MACRO - to change the world - MICRO - to solve problems

- participation as a tool

- at the start we think participation only as a tool

now it is not just a tool

I'm not here to change the system, to be a better a person

moving is a good thing

how the process grow - how we grow in the process

change "way of life"

I wouldn't participate for things to be the same

How to unblock and to do something in reality


7/12

T-SHIRTS

how does participation work?

participation as the HOW I wanted to do things

sustainability

transparence in methods

what happent with the process in the middleparticipation is my choice

To close the pro cess and init iate th e Grou p w ork t im e

Understand in t erest groups organizat ion (a llow changes in in terest grou ps).

To close the p rocess and start th e t im e for grou p w ork g iv ing som e ideas:

Exp la in tha t par t ic ipan ts wi l l have a l l the a f te rnoon and nex t morn ing toorganize their work according to what they feel is best (organize t ime, p laces,

tasks, etc.);

To use the t ime according to expectat ions presented in the beginning of theseminar;

We wi l l meet tomorrow a f te rnoon a t 15 p .m. and each group wi l l have 30 tobe t te r exp lo re the i r ideas wi th the a l l g roup (ma in goa l to use the g roup a

resource and not as an audience);

To t h ink i f w hat you are p lann ing can resu l t in som e k ind o f p roduc t to p resentin t he f ina l pub l icat ion .

Tim e for interest group w ork


8/12

3 r d D AY (13th o f October 2012, 10h00 18h30)

Session Goals

M o rn in g

To prov ide t ime fo r in te rest g roup w ork .Afternoon

To w ork in p lenary the ideas genera ted in in t e rest g roups w ork .To cont inue the Group w ork t im e

As expla ined ear l ier , a l low part ic ipants to cont inue developing their work in specif ic

in te rest g roup t op ic.

Lunch

Shar ing outcome s w i th the w hole group

W elcom ing part ic ipant s in p lenary.

To in t roduce the idea o f shar ing ideas generated in in t e rest g roup w ork about each

t opic, using t he big grou p as a resource to discuss ideas (not spectat ors).

Give each group 30 m inut es.

Al low each grou p t o fac i l ita t e the d iscussing in their specif ic in terest t opic :

1. Learning p rocesses as part icipato ry p rocesses2. Leadership w ith in part ic ipato ry pr ocesses3. Bot tom -up Let i t be m essy4. Com m uni ty Act ion

1 . Learn ing processes as part icipat ory p rocesses workStat e your posit ion!

Goals

To involve part ic ipants in t he discussion of t he to pic;To ex t rac t new ideas about the t op ic ;

To look at our pract ice/ experience and analyze i t according to t he topic.

Idea target approach to stat em ents set by people:

a) To explain the to pic and w ork done so far;b ) To explain the exercise. One person wi l l choose a statement and say i t in the middle of the

room. Each part ic ipant wi l l put him-sel f in the space in a way that expresses his agreement

tow ard the s ta tement : the c losest you are to the p erson m ak ing the s ta tement h e more you

agree; the furt hest you are the less you agree. For 3 m inut es in each statem ent t he group w i l l

d iscuss the po si t ions and af ter 3 m inutes another statem ent can be brought t o the group .c) To make an example wi t h a simple statemen t;d ) To set on the wal l some quest ions in order for people to take on or br ing a statement of his

o w n .

Sta tements

For w arming up - Any learning pro cess can be part ic ipato ry f rom the beginning to t he end. During part ic ipator y learning approach people can choo se not t o part ic ipate. In a part ic ipato ry appr oach is necessary t o h ave faci l i tator s. In a part ic ipato r learning pr ocess the goals can alw ays be changed.

Not es from Interest group s session


9/12

1st question: the ONLY way to learn participation is by participating

Many people said that it is not exactly trough because you can also read

about or talk about

- If you do not practice participatory democracy , you do not reallylearn

- Learning participation by participating is not the only way but it isthe best one.

-

If I do not experience participation I do not learn- experimenting and getting experience makes the difference

2nd question: in a participatory process people can chose not to participate

- what it means not to participate?- not all the people participate in the same way- if someone is in the process is a way of participation- Is it?- It is another yet a different way- if you are going for a learning process it is a choice of participation

too

- people can choose not to participate- Absence is not participation- You have to see what is participation- When you do not vote you already participate in a different way- we need to consider that people have different times.. and consider the

time of each other

- everyone has a different way to participate3rd question: In a participatory process it is helpful to have a facilitator

- all we can be facilitators- we can try to create a space where the roles changes in some moment- you might need someone to facilitate but it is not necessary to be one

person

- a facilitator is a catalizator- not educator- if it is a learning process I would agree with the sentence but in other

approaches you might not need a facilitator

- Facilitator if we believe that is helpful I think we might be trappedin an idea of a convenient and accommodate to this.

- leadership without facilitator you can even learn a lot but you need toparticipate

4th question: In the process you can change the goals

- not always- It should be normal to change- you have to keep a safe limit- learning is a goal- Learning what?- it depends if the goals are simple or major- change depends on your main goal- from whom is the goal set at the beginning?- depends also on the environment and the situation- this is not a learning procedure

Leadership within participatory processes

An assessm ent instrum ents and first results

Qu estions of the group

W hat t he role of leadership in part ic ipatory pr ocesses?

W hat governance is needed in Part ic ipato r Processes?

Presentat ion and discussion o f a t ool and group e xercise:a) The group presented the gr id of analysis ( tool wi th di f ferent quest ions to assess inst i tut ions

character ist ics and govern ance features) and the f i rst ideas generated ( inst i tu t ion s stu died);

b ) In order to assess the tool and the ideas around i t s cret ion, the group chal lenged the al lgroup in plenary t o help t hem to app ly the t ool CLEARing Part ic ipat ion case.

Bottom -up Let i t be m essy

From an almost blank drawing


10/12

Presentation

A w hi te leaf of paper o n th e wal l in a hor izon in black.

The group present themselves and ask al l the part ic ipants to feel confortable in drawing as they feel

(one at a t ime).

Discussed ideas

To deal w i th in i t ia t i ves w hat they do, w hat t hey are, what t hey w ant ;Things start ed t o appear;

People draw n ot th ings but e lements ;

Th discussion abou t th e topic brou ght so many conceops that a m etapho r w as needed t o present i t ;

Value of t he pro cess: beginning just an idea; in pro cess w i th o ther s construct ion of a bigger thing(bo t tom up o r no t ) ;

Com m on e lement s for bot tom -up:Beginn ing bot tom -up when par t o f t he persons;

Quest ion: comm on need and purp ose f rom the beginn ing;To deal w i th spontanei ty and th ings that w e cannot expect ;

T im e to part ic ipate plus securi ty (envi ronm ent).

Community Action

The w olf in the vi l lage

PresentationThe group invi ted al l the part ic ipant s to a gam e (wol f in th e v i llage);

In the end of the game people d iscussed the purpose of the game as a metaphor for communi ty

act ion.

Closing the day an d presenting next m orning


11/12

4 t h D AY (14th o f October 2012, 10h00 )

Session Goals

To organize toget her per spect ives for t he f ina l conferen ce and f ina l t ra in ingpubl icat ion;

To evaluate t he seminar.

Program for th e day

In t roduces m orn ing p rogram .

Organizat ion in plenary of th e f inal confe rence and pub licat ion

To set bo und ar ies (present w hat w e cannot change).

Expla in t he v ision o f t he conference ( to change m isconcept ions about t he conference

of several part icipant s) .Faci l i ta te part ic ipat ion on f ina l conf erence form at and f ina l publ icat ion developm ent :

Conference M anua l

Dates

Goals

Format

Part ic ipantsTasks

Schedule

Goals

Format

Form at and input s

Tasks and w or k schedu le

Organize and divid e t asks.

Seminar evaluat ion

To inv ite part icipant s to evaluate t he sem inar.

Present t he inst rum ent : a b ig char t o f t he d i f fe ren t days w i th space around (what has

happened out s ide the sem inar) .

Inv i te part ic ipants to draw as

they fee l in the char t in o rder t o

eva lua te d i f fe ren t moments

according to their expectat ionsand feelin gs.

In the end o f the exerc ise the

fac i l i ta to r p romotes a b r ie f

d iscussion on the evaluat ion

done.


12/12

Sun in a time of darkness many of us are living. Very good. Specially the ability to work as a group not thinking we must do

something. It was natural. And because of this we also feel like giving to

others (final conference). Very creative situations (talks, options, a lot of

feedback). Good feeling for the next step.

A very special moment, connect to the reality. Thank you. Aside the food that I loved, two moments I appreciate very much: when we

proposed the group to do an exercise and the group proposed another thing; the

interest groups presentations (change of facilitation centre)

Two main aspects: a)Participation happen. We worked and took a lot from theproject; b) We understood the point and we are going deeper than I could

imagine and I would like to do it together, with all of you.

Progress in what we are, where we are and what we want. We developed a rhythm(swimming) and danced. We didnt sunk.

I feel comfortable working in group. Im happy to be here. Everything is moreflexible. Two main moments: the greek participation experiences presentation;

the work in interest groups and progress and deepness achieved in the topic of

interest. My expectations grew along the project. I thank everyone and

specially to the Greeks. Im looking forward to the next seminar

I feel the same. The seminar was the best of the 3 seminars and improved inrelation to the earlier seminars. It was very good not to have time so occupied

and to have time to be together. The godness of the time we spend together.

I spend very good days. The bad face I put in that afternoon is just becausealthough I like everything I felt lost in the second afternoon and Im afraidof not being able to systematize everything .

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