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gazeTi registrirebulia vake-saburTalos raionul sagadasaxado inspeqciaSi.

gazeTSi da vebgverdze gamoyenebuli masalebis da fotoebis gadabeWdva-gamoqveyneba

redaqciis Tanxmobis gareSe akrZalulia. saavtoro uflebebi daculia.

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mkiTxvels yovel nomerSi vTavazobT intervius

qarTvel winaswarmetyvelTan. igi isaubrebs

mocemuli momentisTvis yvelaze metad aqtualur

Temebze, Tumca qalbatoni lelas pasuxebi

yovelTvis efuZneba ramdenime wlis win Caweril

winaswarmetyvelebebs.

da me getyviT Tqven...

interviu Cawerilia 22 agvistos.

( G A GgagrZelebaE L E B A gv.5)

_ qalbatono lela, TqvenTan isev Camo-

brZandnen rusi Jurnalistebi. maT amjera-

dac uamravi informacia miiRes da kvlav

Sokirebul-gaognebulebi gabrundnen ukan.

gamogitydebiT, gansakuTrebiT kargi sanax-

avi kiril meteliovi gaxldaT, romelic

uzomod eWviani da urwmuno adamiania, ma-

gram TqvenTan saubrisas umweo bavSvs ems-

gavseba xolme. man ukve gamoaqveyna morigi

statia saitze `konkretno.ru~ (romelsac

aqve vTavazobT mkiTxvels) da Tanamemamu-

leebs dapirda, kidev ramdenime publika-

cias SemogTavazebTo.

_ meteliovi eWvianis garda, aTeisticaa. mas

arafris swams da saerTodac, Zalian Taviseburi,

urTulesi pirovnebaa. es gaxlavT kaci sakmaod

mdidari, uCveulo biografiiT, didi gamocdilebiT

sxvadasxva sferoSi da rame irwmunos, Zalian

Znelia. Tumca, mouwia erwmuna winaswarmetyvelebisa

da swored amitomac emsgavseboda xolme, rogorc

Sen Tqvi, umweo bavSvs.

me Zalian saintereso winaswarmtyvelebebi maqvs

msoflioze da es is xedvebia, romlebic swore-

dac rom mTel msoflios ekuTvnis. sxvaTa Soris,

Tuki sxva romelime saxelmwifos warmomadgeneli

dainteresdeba, masac mivcem intervius, imitom,

rom Cemi xedvebi globaluria da moicavs msof-

lio politikas. amitom is inciativa, rac am

adamianma gamoiCina, absoluturad logikuria.

maT surT gaigon, ra elis maT qveyanas lela

kakuliasgan, vinaidan Tu sxva saukuneebSi arse-

bobdnen winaswarmetyvelebi, maTgan araviTari

informacia ar aqvT. ai amitomac wers metelio-

vi, rom mxolod qarTveli winaswarmetyveli

saubrobs am Temaze _ politikaze.

kirili Cakirkitebs yvela sityvas, aris ZiebaSi,

qeqvaSi... me kidev mecineba. ra aris aq saZiebel-

saCiCqni? me vwer, mere dgeba Jami da winaswarmetyvele-

ba sruldeba. meteliovs amis gageba Tavidan

gauWirda, magram rogorc uganaTlebulesi, uni-

Wieresi pirovneba (igi ar gaxlavT Cveulebrivi

Jurnalisti) male mixvda, rom WeSmarit fenomen-

Tan aqvs saqme. hoda, aseTi urwmunos amxela

saswaulTan Sejaxeba, namdvilad Sokis tolfasia.

masac ise daemarTa, rogorc sxvebs. iwuwuna,

iviSviSa, es rogor, is rogor, ase ar xdeba, sul

sxvagvarad viTardeba procesebi, sxva prognozebi

keTdeba msoflio politologebis mier, sxva mov-

lenebia mosalodnelio, magram me CemTvis Cveuli

poza daviWire. ra Tqma unda, Zalze gulgrilad

Sevxvdi mis eWvebs da vuTxari: `davelodoT da

vnaxoT~. isic daeloda, naxa da ra naxa?! swored

am asrulebebis Semdeg aitaces sxva saitebma misi

publikaciebi Cems Sesaxeb. imaTac naxes, rom

erTmaneTis miyolebiT asrulda ramdenime

winaswarmetyveleba... da kiril meteliovic isev

piradad Camovida, raTa is informaciac waeRo,

rac masTan Sexvedris Semdeg Caiwera winaswarmetyvele-

baTa rveulSi. gana internetiT ar SeeZlo mieRo

es yvelaferi, magram _ vxedav da mecineba _

ufro imitom Camovida, rom Rrmad Cawvdomoda,

saidan da rogor vxedav. vuxsni, magram mainc ar

esmis. an rogori gasagebia? bolos, rom gama-

bezra, vuTxari: gainteresebs? geubnebi. axla gin-

da gaige da ginda ara-meTqi.

_ gasagebia da logikuri, rom baton

meteliovs yvelaze metad ruseTTan dakav-

Sirebuli winaswarmetyvelebebi aintere-

sebs, magram Tqven mas gamudmebiT ufri-

alebT cxvirwin saqarTvelos Sesaxeb war-

moTqmul xedvebs...

_ imitom, rom CemTvis saqarTveloa umTavresi

da upirvelesi. ra vqna, yvela qveynisTvis sikeTe da

mSvidoba minda, magram Cemi samSoblo, Cemi xalxi,

CemTvis mTel msoflioze win dgas.

sxvaTa Soris, roca kirils wamdauwum vaxseneb,

afxazeTsa da samaCablos Seni qveyana sakuTari

xeliT dagvibrunebs-meTqi, is ukve gasaocari simS-

vidiT xvdeba am informacias da meubneba: raRai

Tqven ambobT amas, ese igi, asec iqnebao. Tanac

meTanxmeba, wlebis win okupantebi rom gviwodeT,

xom marTla aRmovCndiT maT rolSio.

_ Zalian male ki `moarjuleT~ es

urwmuno Toma.

_ da sxva ra gza hqonda? Tan ar dagavi-

wydes, timoSenkos dapatimreba sul axali momx-

daria da am faqtma didi gavlena iqonia masze.

_ qalbatono lela, Cven jer kidev

gasul TveSi SevaxseneT mkiTxvels, rom iulia

timoSenkos patimroba eloda. maSin isic

davwereT, rom yofili premieri ukrainis

prokuraturas droebiT dakavebulic ki hyavda,

Tumca ramdenime dReSi gaaTavisufles. axla

ki igi oficialur patimrobaSi imyofeba,

ukrainis sasamarTlo mis gaTavisuflebas ar

gegmavs da rogorc werdiT, misi momxre-

damcvelebis ricxvic TandaTan mcirdeba. axla

qalbatoni eqs-premieri acxadebs, rom Sesa-

Zloa, mizezTa gamo, cixidan cocxalic ar

gamouSvan, magaliTad, mowamlon, da sakanSi

piradi eqimis daSvebas iTxovs SeuZlod yofnis

sababiT. marTlac emuqreba Tu ara timoSen-

kos sicocxles raime saxis safrTxe ukrainis

mTavrobis mxridan da saerTod, ramdenad

Seesabameba simarTles misi avadmyofoba?

_ misi sikvdili ukrainis mTavrobas namd-

vilad ar awyobs. es tyuilia. TviTon Tu

moikla Tavi, Torem xelisufleba mis sicocxles

ar xelhyofs. timoSenkos avadmyofoba aranair

mowamvlas ar ukavSirdeba. man miiRo Zlieri

nevrozuli dartyma, Tavs saSinlad Seuracxy-

ofilad grZnobs da es yvelaferi uaryofiTad

moqmedebs mis janmrTelobaze. am yvelafris

fonze Tavi Tu atkivda, gana gasakviria?

_ saintereseoa, ratom aaforiaqa saer-

TaSoriso sazogadoeba, evropuli organiza-

ciebi timoSenkos dapatimrebam, romlebmac

protestic ki gamoTqves amasTan dakavSire-

biT. aseTi ra gavlena aqvs qalbaton ti-

moSenkos msoflio politikaze?

_ aranairi gavlena. es Cveulebrivi diplo-

matiuri nabiji iyo da meti araferi. timoSen-

kos gamo aravin gaigiJebs Tavs.

_ daakmayofilebs Tu ara ukrainis sasa-

marTlo `neftogazis~ sarCels eqspremieris

winaaRmdeg da daakisrebs Tu ara 1.5 miliard

grivnas kompaniis sasargeblod?

_ am kompanias, rogorc vxedav, yvelanairi

dokumenti aqvs imis Sesaxeb, ra kolosaluri

wagebac moutana timoSenkos garigebam da daak-

isrebs kidec sasamarTlo mis gadaxdas.

_ qalbatono lela, dmitri medvedevma

sofo SevardnaZes, ekaterine kotrikaZesa da

aleqsei venediqtovTan saubrisas ganacxada,

rom `ruseTi qveynis msoflio savaWro orga-

nizaciaSi gawevrianebis sanacvlod axali poli-

tikur realiebis Secvlas ar apirebs~. es

gamonaTqvami erTma Cveneburma `saxelovanma~

eqspertma ise moTargmna, rom SesaZloa ruse-

Ti saboloo jamSi mso-Si saqarTvelos gver-

dis avliT gawevriandes.

_ ho, raxan eg ̀ eqsperti~ ityvis, ra! Cveni

Tanxmobis gareSe ruseTi verafersac ver Seva

msoflio savaWro organizaciaSi.

_ medvedevs SesaZleblad miaCnia, Seiqmnas

saerTaSoriso tribunali, romelsac saqarTve-

los prezident mixeil saakaSvilis saqme

gadaecema. ras ityviT, ra reaqcia mohyve-

ba am gancxadebas?

_ medvedevs mxars dauWers ̀ samxreT oseTis

saxelmwifo~, ̀ afxazeTis saxelmwifo~ da ase Sem-

deg... ra sisulelea?! rac maT, rusebs aqvT

Cadenili, frTxilad iyvnen, iqiT ar gaumarTon

sasamarTloebi. jer mxolod 9 aprils rac gaa-

keTes, imaze aqvT pasuxi usastikesad mosaTxovi.

_ am gaxsenebaze, bolo dros qarTuli

presa xSrad wers afxazeTis TviTgamocxade-

buli respublikis saprezidento arCevnebis

erT-erT kandidatze aleqsandre anqvabze

da Tanac sul saqebar sityvebs. ra xdeba,

qalbatono lela? anqvabs proqarTul Zal-

ad moiazreben da dainteresebuli pirebi

Segnebulad ufuWeben saqmes xotbiT Tu

sxva ram ifareba an nabijebis miRma?

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, ra poziciisaa anqvabi,

Samba Tu xajimba _ proqarTuli Tu proafxazuri.

afsuebs rusebi arafers gadaawyvetineben. rom ico-

deT, isini arc erTs endobian.

_ sxvaTa Soris, am kuTxiT, vgulisx-

mob anqvabis qeba-didebas, Zalian gaaqti-

urda Tengiz kitovani. misma presis fur-

clebze gamoCenam zogierTebs afiqrebina,

rom kitovani odiTgan asrulebs kremlis

brZanebebs, vinaidan swored man wamoiwyo

omi rusTavelis prospeqtze, is SeuZRva

qarTul jars afxazeTSi _ rac ruseTs

sWirdeboda _ axla ki anqvabis qebiT

kvlav ruseTis saqmes akeTebs da krem-

lisTvis sasurveli kandidatis, Sambas

wisqvilze asxams wyals. saerTod, ratom

da vis gaaxsenda kitovani, ratom mima-

rTes maincdamainc mas komentarebisTvis?

_ ratom da imitom, rom irgvliv siCumea.

araferi axali qarTul politikaSi ar xdeba.

Jurnalistebs saTqmel-salaparako araferi aqvT

da raRac ambebs akowiweben, eZeben viTom sensaciur

masalebs da es aris da es. rac sisulelea da

araferi seriozuli amaSi ar devs.

_ qalbatono lela, gavrcelda infor-

macia, rom ruseTs kokoiTis anatoli

bibiloviT Canacvleba surs. rogor xe-

davT, bibilovia `momavali kokoiTi?~

_ mokled getyvi: egeni yvelani kokoiTebi

arian. da saerTod, es Tema uinteresoa da

umniSvnelo.

_ qalbatono lela, ruseTi ukmayofilebasa

da gaRizianebas ver malavs saqarTvelos

samxedro potencialis zrdis gamo da aRS-

foTebulebi arian im faqtiT, rom msoflio

sazogadoebam ar miRo ruseTis winadadeba

saqarTvelosTvis SeiaraRebisa da samxedro

teqnikis miwodebaze embargos dadebasTan

dakavSirebiT. es erTjeradi cda iyo ruse-

Tis mxridan Tu kremli kidev Seecdeba

msoflio sazogadoeba daarwmunos, raTa

saqarTvelos SeiaraReba ar miawodos?

_ kremli aqamdec muSaobda am sakiTxze,

kidevac imuSavebs, magram iaraRs saqarTvelo

mainc miiRebs. es jer kidev 20 wlis win

viwinaswarmetyvele.

_ afxazuri informaciiT, 26 agvistos

de faqto prezidentis arCevnebs 18 qveynis

80-ze meti damkvirvebeli daakvirdeba. isi-

ni Cavlen ruseTidan, e.w. samxreT os-

eTidan, dnestrispireTidan, venesueladan,

iaponiidan da aseve rigi evropuli qveyne-

bidan...

_ ra da romel arCevnebs unda dakvirdnen?

saerTod rame funqcionirebs iq? sakoncentracio

banaks hgavs afxazeTi. ori kinkila turisti

Cadioda da isinic gaiqcnen _ daayaCaRes, gaqur-

des, Seuracxyofa miayenes... erTi somxebi Tu

miiReben arCevnebSi monawileobas, magram isinic

TiTqmis aRar arian iq.

_ sxvaTa Soris, afsuebma ganacxades,

oficialuri Tbilisi aqtiurad muSaobs

saimisod, rom ucxoeli damkvirveblebi ar

Camovidneno.

_ isedac aravin Cava. es ician afsuebma da

Tadarigs iWeren. msofliom scno saqarTvlos ter-

itoriuli mTlianoba da afsuebis TamaSi uazro

politikaa. ariqa, viTom Tbilisi uSlis xels

monitorebs afxazeTSi CasvlaSi. arada, vis ainter-

esebs saerTod afxazuri arCevnebi? iaponias, romelsac

sakuTari Tavi gaWirvebia?

_ qalbatono lela, kievSi axal qarTul

partias eyreba safuZveli. rogorc cno-

bilia, partiis Seqmnis erT-erTi inicia-

tori da damfuZnebeli ruseTSi moRvawe

afxazeTidan devnili biznesmeni mindia gulua

gaxlavT. man ganacxada, rom partia Tavis

rigebSi sufTa biografiisa da maRalpro-

fesional liderebsa da rigiT wevrebs

gaaerTianebs, romelTa saxelebic aranair-

ad ar asocirdeba politikur insinuacie-

bsa da marcxebTan. sainteresoa, marTlac

SeZlebs Tu ara batoni gulua seriozu-

li, Zlieri qarTuli partiis Camoyali-

bebas?

_ mokled vityvi: TiTqos Cans, rom aris

raRac sasikeTo, magram am partiidan araferi

gamova.

_ sxvaTa Soris, es informacia, sanam

Cven vnaxavdiT internetSi, Cvenma erTma,

ucxoeTSi mcxovrebma mkiTxvelma mogvawo-

da eleqtronuli fostiT, romelic Zalze

gaxarebuli da imedmocemuli gaxldaT am

faqtiT.

_ gaxarebuli mitom, rom mas wakiTxuli

aqvs winaswarmetyveleba, sadac vambob, rom

saqarTvelosTvis agrerigad saWiro niWieri,

gamocdili da samSoblos siyvaruliT gulsavse

politikosebi ucxoeTidan modian-meTqi. magram

ukraina ar iTvleba im sazRvargareTad, rac me

viwinaswarmetyvele. aRsaniSnavia isic, rom bevri

ifiqrebs da ityvis, rom ukrainaSi Camoyali-

bebuli qarTuli partia _ es saqarTvelos

moqmedi xelisuflebis xelSewyobiT daarsebuli

partiaa.

_ qalbatono lela, saqarTveloSi am

etapze arsebobs Tu ara realuri opozi-

ciuri partia?

_ aba, Tavad miTxari, arsebobs?

_ me aseTs ver vxedav, magram iqneb

vcdebi, rogorc erTi Cveulebrivi, yovel-

gvar gansakuTrebul niWs moklebuli ad-

amiani?

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`winaswarmetyvelebam ar icis Svili da qmari, axlobeli da

megobari. Cven vambobT imas, rasac vxedavT da gveubnebian...

miiReT ise, rogorc vwinaswarmetyveleb!~

lela kakulia

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2011 weli, 20 ivlisi, ureki.

saqarTveloSi, vxedav, didi cvlilebebia.

modian axali politikosebi, istorikosebi,

politologebi da mecnierebi _ mcodneni

Tavisi saqmisa.

mTavrobis xaziT bevri cvlileba gatardeba.

vxedav mTavrobis axal Semadgenlobas, axal

ministrebs! icvleba aseve sagareo saqmeTa

ministric. modis axalgazrda, Zlieri pirovneba

da aseTi cvla, vimeoreb, yvela saministro-

Si iqneba!!!

vxedav, amerikis elCic icvleba da

es mimarTulia ukeTesobisken!

vxedav, amerika axorcielebs Tavis pro-

gramas saqarTveloSi! es Zalian mniSvnelova-

nia, qarTvelebo, qveynisTvis! 1992-1994 wleb-

Si danaxuli winaswarmetyvelebebi sruldeba

- saqQQQQQarTvelos gaZliereba samxedro xaziT!

`abreSumis gzas~ ki sul sxva mniSvnelovani,

politikuri datvirTva aqvs, rogorc

saqarTvelosTvis, ise evropis, amerikisa da

mezobeli qveynebisTvisac _ ufro ase vxe-

dav maTTan mimarTebaSi _ TavdacviTi![A] diax,

asea. sxva ideebi ar SeawuxebT arc somxebs,

arc Turqebsa da arc rusebs.

Tumca momavalSi ruseTi Tavad icvleba.

maTi Careva saqarTvelos politikaSi aRar

SeiZleba! amas TviTonac xedaven!!! mokled,

mravali wlis win danaxuli winaswarmetyvele-

bebi sruldeba asi procentiT.

vimeoreb: saqarTvelo umniSvnelovanesi

SemaerTebeli qveyanaa azia-evropisa. rac

mTavaria, maTTvis sando partnioria. tur-

izmi erTia, magram mTavari is aris, rom

saqarTvelo strategiulad, adgilmdebareo-

biT aris Zalian saintereso da amas yve-

lafers isev da isev varqmevT `abreSumis

gzas~. es jer kidev 1992 wlis 18 dekembers

viwinaswarmetyvele, anu davwere, Torem xed-

va ufro adre mqonda _ 1984 wels.

saqarTvelos sazRvrebi iketeba. afxazeTi-

sa da samaCablos sakiTxic momavalSi swrafad

wydeba. ruseTis gegmebi CaSlilia, vxedav.

afxazeTSi terorebi matulobs, didi

dapirispirebebi iqneba da es arc

aravis gaukvirdeba!!! erTmaneTs

aucileblad daupirispirdebian afx-

azebi da iq macxovebeli somxebi.

es Zalze seriozul saxes miiRebs.

afsuebi maT moRalateebad miiCn-

even, vinaidan rusebis mxareze myofi

somxebi axla arc afsuebs indoben.

`bagramianis armia~ axla maT utevs.

vxedav, somxebi afxazeTs toveben.

ase vxedav da asec moxdeba!

saqarTvelos mTavroba am faqts vandaliz-

mad Seafasebs da evropas kvlav uCvenebs

rusuli Sovinisturi politikis saxes _ Tu

rogor upirispireben isini erTmaneTs mcire

erebs da a.S. da a.S. mokled, somxeTis

mTavrobas xmasac ar amoaRebineben, miuxedavad

imisa, rom isini yovelTvis rusuli poli-

tikis momxreni iyvnen da dResac arian. rogorc

qarTuli politikisTvisaa saWiro, mTavrobac

ise moqmedebs da meti araferi. naTqvamia,

Txa, Txaze naklebi, mgelma SeWamao. ruseTi

rTul mdgomareobaSia, vxedav.

hoda is droc axloa, roca vi-

brunebT afxazeTsa da samaCablos.

minda aRvniSno, rom afxazeTi da samaCab-

lo _ es saqarTvelos miwebia da qarTuli

saxelmwifos kanonebi mis mTel teritoriaze

gavrceldeba, ra Tqma unda, da frTxilad!

amas veravin SeewinaaRmdegeba. kanoni kanonia

iq macxovreblebisTvisac.

da minda aRvniSno mTavari, rom

ltolvilebs uklebliv daubrunde-

baT TavianTi qoneba, uklebliv. amis

Sesaxeb parlamenti kanons daamtki-

cebs _ ufro sxvanairs, vidre

dRes aris, imitom, rom aq mosa-

ridebeli araferia. afsuebma, somx-

ebma da kidev sxvebma unda daubrunon

qarTvelebs yvelaferi, Torem kanonis

ZaliT daisjebian, anu cixeSi amoy-

ofen Tavebs `moradiorobisTvis~,

sxvisi qonebis ukanonod miTvisebi-

sTvis. es asea asi procentiT.

mokled, didi cvlilebebi moxdeba

saqarTveloSi. sxvanairad ver iqneba, vxedav.

Zalian bevri ram Seicvleba da es yvelaferi

mxolod xalxis sasikeTod.

vxedav didi pirovnebis sikvdils!

aseve ixureba cnobili gazeTic! iqmneba

axali, magram xalxs amaze reaqcia ar eqneba.

somexi patriarqis mogzauroba saqarTveloSi

ki damTavrdeba imiT, rom axal patriarqs

vxedav somxeTSi.

arc erTi goji miwa, arc erTi eklesia

arc somxebsa da arc sxvas ar gadaecemaT;

diax, ar gadaecemaT! am miRebul kanons ki

ori saxe aqvs da yurs saidanac ginda,

iqidan miabam. es male gamoCndeba.

ufro metsac vityvi: momavalSi

vxedav, am kanons parlamenti zarze-

imis gareSe gaauqmebs; diax, swored

gesmiT: gaauqmebs da arc aravin

dainteresdeba amiT.

saerTod, bevri sxva cvlileba Seva kanon-

ebSi da aq evropas xeli ar miuwvdeba! es

asea asi procentiT. qarTuli politika

momavalSi viRaceebis Carevis gareSe imarTe-

ba. es viRaceebi arian Tundac evropa da

sxva qveynebi! modis iseTi rTuli periode-

bi, rom Wkuis swavleba iqiT daWirdebaT _

sakuTar saxelmwifoebSi, aseve axali kanoneb-

is miRebac. saqarTvelo ki bevr rames cvlis

xalxisa da qveynis sasikeTod da arc aravis

vekiTxebiT! es ki, vimeoreb, Zalian bevr

rames cvlis qveyanaSi!

vxedav, didi cvlilebebi iqneba

qarTul eklesiaSic _ Zalian

didi. iwyeba SidagarCevebi. rac ver

da ar warmoudgeniaT, is moxdeba!

bevri datovebs Tavis mantias, Tan-

amdebobebs!!! amaSi kosmosis xeli

urevia da verafersac ver gaxde-

bian! frTxilad! frTxilad!!!

yvelaferi kanonzomieria dedamiwaze, yve-

la cvlileba _ es bunebaSia, saxelmwifoe-

bSi Tu a.S. da a.S. da nurc iocnebebT, rom

kosmoss SeebrZolebiT!

2011 weli, 27 ivlisi,ureki, dilis 12 saaTi.

vxedav, jerjerobiT evropis qveynebis er-

Tianoba ar dairRveva, anu erTiani sazRvre-

bi, erTiani valuta da a.S. ]dRes am Temebze

msjeloben, TiTqos yvela Tavis saxelmwifo-

Si iketeba, sakuTari fulis niSnis dabrune-

ba surs, aris erTi ambavi, vxedav, iwereba

gazeTebSic, xmamaRla msjeloben, magram evro-

pelebs erTi ram aviwydebaT, rom Zala

erTobaSia!!! Tuki isini erTmaneTs ar miex-

marebian, is saxelmwifoebic, romlebsac mi-

aCniaT, rom maTi qveynebi myarad dganan

fexze, Zalian cdebian. rTuli ekonomikuri

mdgomareoba maTac bolos mouRebs.

aris kidev bevri ram, rasac evropa unda

gaumklavdes. magaliTad, bunebis cvalebadobas

mTel evropaSi. isev didi wyaldidobebi,

temperaturis aranormaluri cvlilebebi, ax-

ali saxis daavadebebi da sxva gaWirvebebi.

es yvelaferi maT metad daanaxebs, rom

daSla ki ara, piriqi, erTianobis gamyarebaa

saWiro! es aris Zalze seriozuli sakiTxi

evropelebisTvis, miTumetes, rom paralelu-

rad teraqtebsac vxedav. es jer kidev mravali

wlis win viwinaswarmetyvele. muslimebTan ki

ufro daZabuli urTierTobebi eqnebaT. aq

ara marto evropa, aramed amerika, amerikis

mTavrobac TiTqos bevr sakiTxSi uTmobs

muslimebs. ase Cans. amiT wamyvani qveynebis

gaRizianebas gamoiwvevs, gansakuTrebiT ki

israelis mxridan. magram icodeT, rom rogorc

1992-1994 wlebSi viwinaswarmetyvele,

israeli arafers dauTmobs arc

palestinas da arc erT sxva mus-

limur qveyanas.

gaixseneT, 1992 wels rac viwinaswarmetyvele:

israeli cecxlovan burTSi moeqceva da rCeba

RmerTis anabara. magram swored RmerTi

gamoiyvans israelis Svilebs da gadaarCens.

ese igi, momavalSi israeli atarebs sakuTar

politikas, arc evropas ugdebs yurs, romelic

TiTqmis daSlili da daavadebulia da arc

amerikas, romlis neitraluri politika, gan-

sakuTrebiT israelisTvis, gansakuTrebiT sa-

SiSia. ebraelebi Wkviani eria. maT Wkuis

damrigebeli ar sWirdebaT, arc unda daug-

don yuri, Torem CaiZirebian! vxedav, evrop-

ul politikas da evropis qveynebs ufro

sWirdebaT Wkuis swavleba. ase rom, momaval-

Si israeli mZime brZolebs gadaitans, ma-

gram israelis Svilebi gaimarjveben!

minda kvlav gavimeoro Cemi xedva,

rom amerika mainc daartyams irans.

muslimebs didi ambiciebi ipyrobT.

is SeiaraReba, rac maT gaaCniaT,

Tvalebsa da gonebas ubrmavebT.

isini did Secdomebs uSveben, vi-

naidan mowinaaRmdegis siZlieres ar

aRiareben! amitomac waageben.

Tu ginda gaimarjvo, unda aRiaro mowi-

naaRmdegis Zala. amis aRiareba ki erTader-

Ti gzaa gadarCenisa da rac mTavaria, saRi

azrovnebisa, saRi gadawyvetilebebis miRebi-

sa. magram mainc yvelaferi ise asruldeba,

rogorc davinaxe 1987-1995 wlebSi da rasac

dRemde yovelTvis vaxseneb xalxs.

minda aRvniSno, rom mesame msof-

lio omis dros muslimuri samyaro

dazaraldeba, aseve evropac, ameri-

kas ki ubralod ver miwvdebian.

romc SeaRwion iq (rasac ar vxedav),

mainc verafers gaxdebian. saboloo darty-

mas ki amerika ganaxorcielebs ruseTTan

erTad. es emsgavseba meore msoflio omis

dros amerikelebis daxmarebas, roca mdinare

elbaze SeerTdnen rusebi da amerikelebi.

zustad am scenaris gameorebaa.

iranSi aRdgeba mefis _ Sahis

uflebebi. Sahis STamomavlebi iranSi

brundebian samefo taxtis dasa-

bruneblad da am yvelafers ameri-

ka diriJorobs. anu amerikis dax-

marebiT isev aRdgeba monarqia

iranSi. vxedav, xalxi sixaruliT

miiRebs samefo taxtis aRdgenas

da mis memkvidreebs! iwyeba axali

etapi iranis saxelmwifoSi.

rac Seexeba palestinas, mis saxelm-

wifoebriobas ver vxedav. igive mdgo-

mareobaSi rCebian. maT bolos mainc

amerika daicavs im sruli ganad-

gurebisgan, rac israels eqneba Caf-

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iqrebuli, raTa erTxel da samuda-

mod moiSoron palestinis sakiTxi.

Tumca am or ers Soris SuRli, omi,

vxedav, didi xniT gadaideba, didi xniT. es

orive ers awyobs sabolood, vxedav!

rac Seexeba atomur sadgurebs, amaze mTeli

msoflio xmas amoiRebs. daiwyeba didi garCevebi.

evrosabWoSi wamyvani qveynebisTvis es erT-

erTi mTavari Tema iqneba, romelic unda

gadawydes aramxolod adamianebis, aramed mTeli

Cveni planetis gadasarCenad!

iaponias sami atomuri sadguris

garda kidev mravali atomuri

sadguri aqvs, romlebzec xmamaR-

la ar laparakoben.

mTavari isaa, rom Tuki sxva saSualeba

ar arsebobs, es ar unda iyos sababi

imisa, rom aSeno amdeni atomuri sad-

guri, rac mTel planetas daRupviT emu-

qreba. Tu energiis sxva wyaro ar arse-

bobs, maSin icxovre ise, rogorc Seni

winaprebi cxovrobdnen saukuneebis miRma

_ atomuri sadguris gareSe! da Tu

gaqvs ambicia, rom yvelaze ganviTarebu-

li qveyana xar, maSin atomuri sadguris

damcavi meqanizmic unda gqondes gamog-

onebuli, raTa dazianebis SemTxvevaSi

amuSavdes. magram aseTi ram ar arsebobs.

igoneben raRaceebs da xalxs atyueben!

magaliTad, Cernobilis atomuri sadguri

dRemde Jonavs. roca katastrofa moxda,

yvela ayvirda, magram mere swrafad daivi-

wyes! ase moxda iaponiaSic. es afeTqebebi

ki mainc toveben kvals da frTxilad,

isev Zlier miwisZvras vxedav,

romelic kunZuls martiv mamrav-

lebad daSlis, cunami ki mTlad

gadarecxavs!

Tu ar SeCerdeba adamiani, iaponia kargav

Tavis kunZulebs. sakiTxi ase dgas: an ato-

muri sadgurebi, an iaponia. es, rasac vxedav,

absoluturi realobaa da yurad iReT!!!

aseve didi xnis, wlebis win viwinaswarmetyv-

le somxeTis atomur sadgurzec, magram mainc

Tavs ver abamen somxebi am gamanadgurebeli

Zalis Caqrobas. ruseTs ki saerTod ar

ainteresebs, Tu ra mohyveba, pirvel rigSi,

somxeTs, Semdeg ki azerbaijans, iransa Tu

TurqeTs _ sulac amomwydaran! saintereso

ki is aris, rom sxva atomuri sadgurebis

aSenebas apireben samomavlod! aqedanac Cans

ukve, rom

somxeTs marTla emuqreba sruli

ganadgureba! pirvel rigSi, Zlieri,

damangreveli miwisZvra. frTxilad!

saerTod, garda atomuri sadgurisa, sxva

rTuli gzac aqvs somex ers gasavleli. es

maTi omia yarabaRisTvis!!! vxedav, iqneba didi

omi da mere... morigeba??? somxebi ver is-

veneben! maTi mtkicebiT, SoTa

rusTavelic somexia da sxva mrava-

li ram qarTulic, simarTles Tvals

ar usworeben da ukve albaT sauku-

neebia, rac erTsa da imave ab-

surdsa da tyuils amtkiceben (rasac

ver eRirsebian) da somxebi yara-

baRs daTmoben? azerbaijanelebs

saflavSi Cahyvebian, yarabaRs ki

ar Tmoben. maTi imedi ruseTia.

isini fiqroben, rom ruseTi auci-

leblad daubrunebs maT yarabaRs.

magram dRes azerbaijani cudad

ar iqceva da amitom ruseTs mZ-

inare daTvis pozicia ukavia, rogorc

yovelTvis, da TamaSobs. magram

momavalSi ruseTi kavkasiaSi sxva

politikas gaatarebs. es mravali

wlis win viwinaswarmetyvele, xolo

rogorc 1987 wels davinaxe da

1990-1993 da a.S. wlebSic davwere,

kavkasiis centri saqarTve-

lo xdeba da vxedav, rom

es ruseTsac awyobs. xolo

somxeTi ruseTs aRar

daainteresebs.

vxedav, ruseTi momavalSi saku-

Tar sazRvrebSi magrdeba, axal

saxelmwifod yalibdeba, mTel fulsa da en-

ergias sakuTar xalxs moaxmars, sakuTar qalaqebs

da vxedav, rom es aris is gza, romelic

ruseTs gamoiyvans sirTuleebidan. yvela mo-

sazRvre saxelmwifom sakuTar Tavs mixedos,

ruseTi aravis daxmarebas ar apirebs, Tu es

mis interesebSi ar Seva. es jer kidev

wlebis win unda gaekeTebina ruseTs. ruse-

Tis mier gadadgmuli nabijebi demokrati-

isken absoluturad, 180 gradusiT cvlis

urTierTobebs evropasa da amerikasTan, lagdeba

diplomatiuri urTierTobebi da bevri sxva

ramec.

minda gansakuTrebiT aRvniSno erTi ram,

rom ruseTi momavalSi viRacis _ anu evro-

pa-amerikis miTiTebebiT arc erT politikur

svlas ar gaakeTebs, kremli maT cxvirs ar

Caayofinebs rusul politikaSi. es Zalian

Riad gamoCndeba. ruseTis moqmedebebi sworia.[A

ruseTis mTavroba arasdrod ivlis evropa-

amerikis miTiTebebiT da ra cvlilebebic ga-

tardeba, es mxolod da mxolod rusi xalxis

sasikeTod, ruseTis fexze dasayeneblad.

upirvelesad ki is nabijebi gada-

idgmeba, rac aucilebelia ruseTis

mxridan _ daubrunos saqarTvelos

okupirebuli teritoriebi _ afx-

azeTi da samaCablo! am gadaw-

yvetilebebis Semdeg kosmosi yvela

kars uxsnis maT, rac ruseTs gana-

didebs da gaaZlierebs, zurgSi ki

eyoleba erTaderTi Zlieri, erT-

morwmune saqarTvelo, romelTanac

momavalSi keTilmezoblur urTier-

Tobebs amyarebs da es iqneba ruse-

Tis Zlieri dacva _ misi zurgis

dacva! saqarTvelosTan omebi ruseTs

araviTar sikeTes ar moutans; piri-

qiT, ukuRma SeubrundebaT yvelaferi.

erTaderTi gza is aris, rom ruseTma

swori politika gaataros gansakuTrebiT

evropasTan mimarTebaSi. ase rom, ruseTs

Zalian rTuli periodebi aqvs gasavleli,

Tumca es gza sabolood aris ruseTis

gamTlianebisa da ara daSlisa. dRes ruseTi

isedac daSlilia Tavisi uxerxemlo mTavro-

bis gamo!!! mokled, icvleba mTavroba didi

omebis Semdeg! icvlebian `dumaSic~.

parlamentSi modian Wkviani da sazriani

politikosebi. vxedav, maT ician saqmis

keTeba da amas yvela ixilavs! amin!

2001 weli, 6 agvisto, ureki.

ukrainasa da ruseTs Soris urTierTobebi

isev daiZabeba. 2003- 2004 wlebSi viwi-

naswarmetyvele, rom ukrainis prezidenti ianuk-

oviCi gaxdeboda da es asec asrulda. maSin

davinaxe isic, rom igi ruseTs did proble-

mebs Seuqmnida, miuxedavad imisa, rom ruseTis

mTavrobis mxridan didi mxardaWera hqon-

da, radgan ruseTi mas Tavis kacad miiC-

nevda. Tumca me maSin viwinaswarmetyvele,

rom ianukoviCi rusebs did siurprizebs

mouwyobda, rom igi maTi kaci arasdros

gaxdeboda da ukrainis politikas sul

sxva gziT warmarTavda. es gza ki aris

dasavleTi da natoSi Sesvla.

aseve 2009 wlis 8 ivniss davinaxe da

davwere, rom ukrainis yofil premiers

_ iulia timoSenkos daiWeren-meTqi (ix.

2009 wlis 14 ivnisic). dRes es asrulda.

axla vxedav, yofil prezidentsac

mouwyoben sasamarTloebs _ iuSen-

kos!!! bevri ram amotivtivdeba, rac

ukrainis xelisuflebas uflebas

aZlevs gaabaTilos ruseTTan dade-

buli xelSekrulebebi, romlebic

ukrainas wamgebian mdgomareobaSi

ayenebs.

aseve miadgebian kanonebis cvlilebebs,

ganixilaven cvlilebebs konstituciaSic.

es ki imas niSnavs, rom ianukoviCma

ruseTs mTavrobaSi mosvlis dRidan poli-

tikuri omi gamoucxada. aseve vxedavdi

da dResac ase vxedav!!!

iqneba daWerebi da didi garCevebi.

es ki imas niSnavs, rom ukraina demokratiis

gzaze dgas! didi, xmauriani procesebi

warimarTeba!!!

yofili premieris _ iulia ti-

moSenkos moxreebi verafers gaxde-

bian, maTac daiWeren. erTi perio-

di yvela amaze isaubrebs, vxedav,

magram mTavroba xalxs anaxebs imis

damadasturebul faqtebs, rom am

xalxma borotad gamoiyena Tanam-

debobebi da maT moRalateebad Se-

racxaven! mokled, asamarTleben da

iWeren dasaWerebsac da aradasaW-

erebsac!!!

iZieben yvelafers da mTavari ki is aris,

rom ianukoviCi samarTlianad iSorebs Tavidan

Zlier metoqeebs!!! maTi braleulobis sa-

babiT ki bevr rames wyvets ukrainis poli-

tikaSi Tavis sasargeblod.

aseve, vimeoreb, rom auqmebs im

SeTanxmebebs, rac ukrainisTvis

arcerT SemTxvevaSi momgebiani ar

aris, gansakuTrebiT ki ruseTTan

mimarTebaSi. ras ambobs am dros

ruseTis mTavroba? dedas aginebs

ukrainis prezidents da ukanaskne-

li sityvebiT amkobs.

vis-vis da es ruseTis mTavrobas namd-

vilad ar eswavleba _ ginebis ostatebi

arian! zustad aman gaufuWa ruseTs saqme

evropasTan!!! Tumca minda aRvniSno,

rom ruseTis mTavrobas sulac ar

aRelvebs, ra ewyineba evropas.

ruseTisTvis angariSgasawevi qveyana

ar arsebobs, piriqiT, yvelam aqeT

unda gauwios angariSi did ruseTs!

es asea da morCa! rusebis azriT,

maTi qveyana ise arasdros dasust-

deba, rom sxva saxelmwifos ufleba

misces, Tundac rameze mianiSnos,

araTu viRacis miTiTebebi Seasru-

los an zewolebi aitanos. ]vinc ar

unda movides ruseTis mTavrobaSi,

am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT erTi azri

aqvT: `ar gabedoT zewolebi da

miT umetes, Wkuis swaleba!~

mokled, vxedav, didi cvlileba

momavalSi ruseTSi marTalia mZ-

ime, magram rusi xalxisTvis sasike-

Toa. ai im gegmebs ki, romelTa

ganxorcielebasac fiqrobs dRevan-

deli mTavroba, asruleba ar awe-

ria.

sul sxva procesebi warimarTeba.

es moxdeba moulodnelad. iqneba

didi pirovnebis sikvdili! aseve didi cv-

lilebebia saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi. ruseTi

180 gradusiT cvlis Tavis politikas saqarTve-

los mimarT. rac oci wlis win viwi-

naswarmetyvele, asi procentiT sruldeba.

mTavari is aris, rom vibrunebT afxazeTsa

da samaCablos!!! es zustad ise asruldeba,

rogorc miweria wignebsa da gazeTebSi _

ruseTi Tavisi xeliT gvibrunebs

afxazeTsa da samaCalos, vinaidan

mas Tavisi miwebi uxdeba dasacavi.

mouwyoben sasamarTloebs iuSenkosac. bevri ram

amotivtivdeba, rac ukrainis xelisuflebas uflebas aZlevs

gaabaTilos ruseTTan dadebuli xelSekrulebebi.

vxedav, amerikis elCic icvleba da es mimarTulia ukeTesobisken!

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(G A GgagrZelebaEL E B A Semdeg nomAerSi)

vxedav, maT interesebSi aRar Se-

dis axazeTisa da samaCablos sak-

iTxi! piriqiT, rusuli politiki-

sTvis es mZime tvirTia da morCa.

ruseTs momavalSi Tavisi gaWirveba aqvs.

vxedav, iseT Zalian rTul sakiTxze, rogor-

icaa teritoriebis sakiTxi, mTeli ruseTia

gadarTuli momavalSi. yovelTvis vxedavdi,

rom ruseTs sakuTari miwa-wyali aqvs dasa-

cavi, gansakuTrebiT aRmosavleTis mxare, said-

anac monRoleTi da CineTi esazRvreba _

vladivastoki, kurilis kunZulebi (romlebic

iaponias ekuTvnoda), kunZuli saxalini, xa-

barovski, komsomolski, kamCatka, petro-pav-

lovski da sxva. es Zalze mniSvnelovania

ruseTis saxelmwifosTvis aseve strategiula-

dac. amas yvelafers movla sWirdeba, Torem

arc ise Sors aRmoCndeba dro, roca sxva

erebi dasaxldebian am miweze. magaliTad, Cinelebi.

iaponiac Txoulobs Tavis kunZulebs. mo-

mavalSi maTi moTxovna ufro mZafr formas

Rebulobs, vinaidan iaponias, vxedav, isev daa-

tydeba Tavs Zlieri miwisZvra, mere ki taifu-

ni. xdeba saSineleba. kunZuli, vxedav, rogor

iZireba, anu qreba, TiTqos arc yofiliyos.

es udidesi dartyma iqneba kosmosidan, magram

bunebas veraviTari Zala ver SeaCerebs. vxedav,

erT dros, Zalian Rrma warsulSi, iaponiis

kunZulebi erTiani teritoria iyo. mere, droTa

ganmavlobaSi, ase vTqvaT, daiCexa patar-patara

kunZulebad. hoda, momavalSi es zogierTi

patara kunZuli isev daiSleba da qreba.

ubralod vityvi, rom vxedav, iaponia

dedamiwis ryevis epicentrSia ganlagebuli

da am Zlier datymebs danawevrebuli kunZu-

lebi veRar uZleben! dRes amas mecnierebi ki

ar xvdebian, faqtebs uyureben.

saWiroa axali miwebi, raTa iaponeli

xalxi gadarCes. amitom iaponiis moTx-

ovnas, rom ruseTma daubrunos kuTv-

nili miwebi _ kurilis kunZulebi

_ mTeli msoflios wamyvani qveynebi

mxars aubamen da ruseTs kunZulebis

dabrunebisken mouwodeben.

isev vimeoreb, rom iqneba didi garCevebi

da politikuri brZolebi. minda aRvniSno,

rom kurulis kunZulebi ruseTs saerTod

ar sWirdeba, mainc daTmobs.[A]

momavalSi ruseTi Tavisi sazRvrebis cv-

lilebebs iwyebs, ra Tqma unda, jer gadaxe-

davs situacias da iseT cvlilebebs Seitans,

rac ruseTis saxelmwifos momgebian mdgomar-

eobas ganapirobebs ukve axal sazRvrebSi.

mokled, ra teritoriebsac ruseTi Semoxaza-

vs, bevr qveyanas ar moewoneba. iqneba didi

vnebaTaRelva, magram es ruseTs sulac ar

aRelvebs. asea, ruseTi, vxedav, Zalebs ikrebs

da yvelafers gaakeTebs, raTa moZlierdes da

isev angariSgasawev qveynad iqces, rogorc

es adre iyo, magaliTad, sabWoTa kavSiris

dros, dRes ki sabWoTa kavSiris gareSec,

_ ara, ar cdebi! axla amaze dametakebian

zogierTebi, magram ra vqna? droa gaigon,

rasac vxedav da vwinaswarmetyveleb, yvelaferi

asrulda da sruldeba.

_ diax, me kargad maxsovs, roca Tqven

dawereT, momavalSi opozicia xalxis ndobas

kargavs da misi reitingi nuls utoldebao,

maSin lamis yvela opoziciuri partiis re-

itingi zenitSi iyo, xolo maTi liderebis

dasacavad, xalxi mzad iyo, sakuTari sic-

ocxlec ki gaeRo. axla mkiTxvels gamovu-

tydebi, rom erTgvarad SemeSinda kidec

maSin am Canaweris gamoqveyneba. TqvenTvis

ukiTxavadac mivxvdi, rom mavanni aTasgvar

cils Segvwamebdnen, magram mosaxdeni mainc

moxda. winaswarmetyveleba asi procentiT as-

rulda.

Semdegi kiTxva, qalbatono lela: badri

biwaZes dauswreblad Seufardes 5 wliTa

da 6 TiT patimroba. nino burjanaZe saq-

mis strasburgSi gasaCivrebasa da meuRl-

isTvis politikuri TavSesafris moTxovnas

apirebs. ra nayofs gamoiRebs misi mcde-

loba?

_ rac burjanaZeze davwere, yvelaferi

ausrulda qalbaton ninos. mkiTxvels kargad

axsovs, rom isic vTqvi, misi ojaxis wevrebsac

gadawvdebian-meTqi. iCivlebs qalbatoni burjan-

aZe, Seecdeba, kanonieri gziT miaRwios Tavisas,

magram minda aRvniSno, rom eqneba sirTuleebi

da...

_ uf, axla man CemsaviT kargad rom

icodes, ras niSnavs es mravalwertili?!

da TemasTan kavSirSi, qalbatono lela:

iseve, rogorc saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

did nawils, mec mainteresebs, ratom ar

daapatimres qalbatoni burjanaZe misi Ria,

aSkara prorusuli, ufro sworad, prosab-

Wouri mimarTulebisTvis? piradad me (da

uamravi sxvac) am qalbatonis qmedebebs

samSoblos Ralatis kvalifikacias aZlevda.

es ki kanoniT isjeba da Tanac ulmoblad.

ra moxda am SemTxvevaSi? ratom epatia

Tavis moniSnul teritoriaSi!!!

ukrainasTan ki urTierTobebi

ruseTs Zalian daeZabeba. aq Tu

sifrTxile ar gamoiCina ruseTis

mTavrobam, yvelaferi SeiZleba omiT

damTavrdes! miTumetes, rom jer

kidev oci wlis win viwi -

naswarmetyvele ruseT-ukrainis omi.

es dabeWdilia maSindel gazeTebSi, Jur-

nalebsa da aseve Cems wignebSic. me aRvniSne,

rom ruseTi kolonizatoris, anu okupantis

rolis TamaSs daiwyebs da ise SeiWreba am

rolSi, rom ra Sedegi mohyveba am araswor

politikas, ruseTis mTavrobas sulac ar

daainteresebs-meTqi. vimeoreb, frTxilad! es

patar-patara omebi ufro metad mTel ruseTs,

rus xalxs daazianebs. iTeseba siZulvili

erebs Soris. Tumca momavalSi yvelasa da

yvelafers niRabi aexdeba da ruseTis mTavroba,

pirvel rigSi, pasuxs agebs Tavisi xalxis

winaSe _ rusi xalxis winaSe.

kidev vimeoreb TiTqmis asjer dan-

axuls, rom ruseTi yvelasa da

yvelafers daipirispirebs, TiTqmis

mTel msoflios. dRes es ukve xdeba!!!

mTavari is aris, rom kremlma swori

politika gaataros ukrainasTan mimarTebaSi.

gadaxedeT istorias: ruseTi warsulSi iwode-

boda kievis ruseTad. ]es faqtia, Tumca,

roca dampyroblur politikas atareb, aq

ukve yvelaferi azrs kargavs. moskovisTvis,

kremlis binadarTaTvis teritoriebis sak-

iTxi mTavari da ufro didi, problemuri

sakiTxia. es TviTonac kargad uwyian!

2001 weli, 11 agvisto, ureki.

vxedav, sapatriarqoSi didi cvlilebebi iqneba.

patriarqi moulodnel nabijebs

gadadgams, rasac aravin elis. ai

aq gaicreba yvela kosmiur sacer-

Si. es Zalian mkacri da samarTliani

nabijebia, rac xalxs rwmenas

ubrunebs da rac mtrebs namd-

vilad ar axarebs _ qarTuli

marTlmadidebeli eklesiis siZliere!

Tqven verc warmoidgenT, Tu ramxela dacva

aqvs kosmosidan yvelafer imas, rasac qarTu-

li hqvia, diax, qarTuli. me mravaljer viwi-

naswarmetyvele sxvadasxva dros, rom yvela

eklesia saqarTvelosia, warTmeuli terito-

riebi _ es saqarTvelos miwebia da saqarTvelo

yvelafers asi procentiT ibrunebs!!! me kidev

uamravi ram davinaxe, rac saqarTvelos si-

Zlieres ganapirobebs da amas gamudmebiT vim-

eoreb. Tumca yvelafers Tavisi dro aqvs,

dro _ romelic kosmosSi ar arsebobs,

magram dro _ romelic adamianebs yovelTvis

pirvel rigSi aintersebT da mxolod mereRa

sxva rameebi! es ki, rom icodeT, adamianebs

yovelTvis uaryofiTad ubrundebaT. sityva

`rodis?~ Zlier nerviul SokSi agdebs adami-

ans da amas mere sxva nevrozuli gadabmebi

mohyveba xolme. tyuilad ar aris naTqvami,

moTminebiTa SeniTa, moipove suli Seni Zlierio,

anu `vinc moiTmens, is moigebs~.

Tqven, adamianebs yvelaferi swrafad gsurT.

sulswrafoba ki, vxedav, yovelTvis bolos

giRebT. aCqarebiT nakeTebi saqme ki, brZenTa

naTqvamia, uvargisiao!!! naCqarevad gamotani-

li daskvnebi ki ukve Tqveni politikis

daSlas ganapirobebs. Tu marTali sityva ar

mogewonaT saTqvenod, ise uaryofT mas, rom

ufali saerTod arc gaxsendebaT, arc mamu-

li da arc sakuTari ena qarTuli. hoda,

icreba saceri bolomde yvelgan!

Cemi qveyana ki Zalas ikrebs, Zlierdeba,

avdivarT ufrodaufro maRla, yvela sirTules

daZlevs saqarTvelo. Sadimanebis mcdeloba,

rom am procesebs xeli SeuSalon, CaSlilia,

araferi gamouvaT. vimeoreb: qarTul saxelm-

wifoebriobas, mis gaZlierebas dedamiwaze

xels veravin da veraferi ver SeuSlis. es

yovelive zemodan modis. es aris is, razec,

adamianebo, warmodgenac ar gaqvT, ra aris!

amaze laparaks arc ganvagrZob. es mxolod

rCeulTa xvedria! isini ki Zalian cotani

arian!!! mTavari ki aq is aris, rom yvela

adamiani sakuTari TvaliT Sexedavs da saku-

Tar Tavze gadaitans am yvelafers. aba mere

iZaxe, Tuki gabedav da ityvi, rom ar gjera!

nu iqnebi Suriani, nu iqnebi boRma, rac Tavad

mogiRebs bolos. es bunebis kanonia da asec

moxdeba, radgan `mglis Tavze saxarebas kiTxu-

lobdnen da is ki mainc tyisken iyureboda~.

Cemo sayvarelo qarTvelebo, visac giyvarT

dedasamSoblo, giyvarT simarTle, giyvarT erT-

maneTi, Tqven moeswrebiT teritoriebis dab-

runebasac da Zlieri saqarTvelos xilvasac. es

sruli simarTlea. Tqven iciT, rom rac ki

viwinaswarmetyvele, yvelaferi sruldeba. nabij-

nabij sruldeba winaswarmetyvelebebi mTels

msoflioze _ rac davinaxe da iTqva, yve-

laferi sruldeba da momavalSic asruldeba!

saqarTvelo ki isev rTul periodebs gadis.

bevri moSurne mezobeli gvyavs, magram maTi

yvela qmedeba CaSlilia saqarTvelos mimarT.

TviTon daisjebian!!! saqarTvelos Tema maTTvis

is saflavia, romelSic TviTon unda Cawvnen

da miwa daiyaron sakuTari xeliT! es asea asi

procentiT. frTxilad! komunistebs unda dav-

esesxo, radgan Zalian momwons es lozungi:

`xelebi Sors saqarTvelosgan!~ diax,

xelebi, Tqveni binZuri xelebi Sors

Cemi samSoblosgan! Tu arada kos-

mosi isedac mogaSorebT da san-

agveze mogisvriT. Tumca ukve mos-

rolilebi xarT, magram ar gjer-

aT! nurc daijerebT. me Tqven ve-

Rar gxedavT!!!

burjanaZes is, risi meaTedic ar epatiaT

sxvebs?

_ imitom, rom burjanaZes, roca is xelisu-

flebaSi iyo, araviTari xelSekruleba ar dau-

dia arc putinTan da arc medvedevTan. maSin is

qarTuli saxelmwifos interesebs icavda. Tumca,

roca mis karieraSi cvlilebebi moxda da

Tanamdeboba datova, evropis nacvlad ruseTi

airCia, swored iq daiwyo politikuri mxardaW-

eris Zebna. dakavebiT ki mxolod imitom ar

daakaves, rom sxva dapatimrebulebTan Sedare-

biT, ufro maRali rangis politikosia da did

aJiotaJs moeridnen. axla visac ra unda, is

Tqvas. me rasac vambob, yvelaferi sruldeba.

iTqva? unda asruldes! vin xar, ra xar _ aq

ar irCeva.

_ qalbatono lela , Tqve ni wi -

naswarmetyvelebisamebr, israelsa da egviptes

Soris urTierTobebi gafuWda. egviptem sul

axlaxan sakuTari elCi gaiwvia Tel-aviv-

idan. sadamde miva dapirispireba-daZabulo-

ba am or saxelmwifos Soris?

_ praqtikulad, iq ukve omia da meti raRa

ginda?

_ qalbatono lela, iaponiis premier-

ministri naoto kani Tanamdebobas tovebs

29 agvistos. am dRes mmarTveli partiis

lideris arCevnebi imarTeba, romelzec kani

arc sakuTari kandidatis dasaxelebas apirebs

da arc postze darCenas. ratom midis

naoto kani Tanamdebobidan? iaponiis poli-

tikuri kursis cvlilebasTan xom ar aris

dakavSirebuli es yvelaferi?

_ ara, geTayva. naoto kani pasuxismgeblobam

daRala. aRar unda Tavze amdeni problemis

aReba da amitomac midis.

_ qalbatono lela, rogorc rusuli

presa iuwyeba, dasavleTic da moskovic

mzad arian, arqtikaSi, okeanis fskeris

bunebrivi resursebisTvis omic ki gamoucx-

adon erTmaneTs, anu iaraRis ZaliT gada-

Wran problema. moxdeba Tu ara Setakeba

da Tu ki, vin gaimarjvebs am dapiri-

sipirebaSi?

_ SeiaraRebul dapirispirebas ar vxedav. dar-

Cebian im sazRvrebSi, rogorSic dRes arian, anu

yvelas is SerCeba, visac ra ekuTvnis.

_ vrceldeba informacia, rom ruseTis

mTavari sanitari oniSCenko mzad aris,

molaparakebebi daiwyos `borjomis~ mwar-

moeblebTan am mineraluri wylis ruseTis

bazarze dasabruneblad. saintereso isaa,

rom mas eWvic ki ar epareba, rom qarTve-

li mewarmeebi am molaparakebebze wavlen,

radgan miaCnia, rom es politikuri sak-

iTxi droa, ekonomikur kalapotSi gadaiy-

vanon.

_ gindaT simarTle? ruseTs nostalgia

daewyo. garda amisa, `borjomis~ sxva miner-

aluri wyliT Canacvleba rusebisTvis SeuZlebe-

li aRmoCnda. ise ki, jer kargad unda axvewn-

inon oniSCenkos da mereRa daTanxmdnen ̀borjo-

mis~ ruseTSi gatanas.

_ qalbatono lela, usiamovno incin-

denti moxda TuSeTSi, sadac adgilobriveb-

sa da alaverdis eparqiis wamomadgenel

sasuliero pirebs Soris dapirispireba mox-

da. dapirispirebis mizezi Zveli TuSuri

tradicia gaxda, romlis mixedviTac qalebs

jvris samebis goraze salocavad asvla

ekrZalebaT, xolo marTlmadidebeli ekle-

sia am akrZalvas ar scnobs. marTalia,

incindenti amoiwura, magram darCa kiTxva:

unda SevinarCunoT Tu ara tradiciebi,

romlebic, marTalia, winareqristianulia,

magram ukve saukuneebia fesvgadgmulia?

davijero es ramenairad aryevs adamianebs

rwmenas?

_ qalebis araSveba am salocavze, sulac ar

aryevs TuSTa rwmenas. piriqiT, ase mZafrad rom

Seepasuxnen eparqiis warmomadgenlebs, swored

imas niSnavs, rom maT myari rwmena aqvT da

amadac Sebedes eklesiis msaxurebs saTqmelis

Tqma.

mTas Tavisi kanonebi aqvs da am kanonebs

veravin Secvlis. tradiciebs pativi unda vceT.

raxan ufalma dauSva maTi fesvgadgma, ese igi,

ase iyo saWiro da es gasaTvaliswinebeli faq-

toria. yvela tradicias unda vceT pativi, miT

umetes, mTis kanonebs. es Cveni warsulia, Cveni

istoriaa da misi waSla, akrZalva da gaqroba

ar SeiZleba. verc aukrZalaven da verc gaaqroben.

( G AdasawyisiE L E B Agv.2)

da me getyviT Tqven...

66

rac ukverac ukverac ukverac ukverac ukve

amonaridi 2011 wlis

23 ivlisis interviudan.

gazeTi #56.

`garegin II-es wyals Seuyeneben, magram

ara imis gamo, rom Cvens uwmindess ela-

paraka Seufereblad. simarTle Tu gin-

daT, somxebs amis gamo didad ar daw-

yvetiaT guli. es mxolod sababia. mizezi

ki ufro Rrmaa da is somxur Sidasamza-

reulomde midis...~

lela kakulia

es sityvebi lela kakuliam garegin II-is

vizitis Semdeg brZana mimdinare wlis 23

ivlisis interviuSi. oriode kviraSi ki somx-

uri, rusuli Tu azerbaijanuli saitebi

lamis erTxmad alaparakdnen im realur mize-

zebze, romelTa gamoc somexi sazogadoeba

sakuTar patriarqs daupirispirda da saekle-

sio krebasac ki mimarTa TxovniT, gadaayenon

kaTalikosi garegin II.

socialur qsel `feisbuqze~ moqmedma

somxurma samoqalaqo iniciativam ̀ moviTxovT

kaTalikosis gadadgomas~ sakuTari poziciis

ramdenime realuri mizezi CamoTvala. preten-

ziaTa nusxa ki, rogorc Tavad ganacxades,

bevrad mravlismomcvelia.

`saWirod migvaCnia xazgasmiT aRvniSnoT

Cveni moTxovnis motivebi, vinaidan aqamde

Cveni oponentebis mxridan SeSfoTebisa da

problemis danaxvis nacvlad mxolod us-

afuZvlo da demagogiuri gancxadebebi ismo-

da~ _ naTqvamia sainiciativo jgufis mima-

rTvaSi.

1. kaTalikosis sruliad gulgrili damok-

idebuleba somxuri enisa da somexi xalxis

momavlisadmi. maSin, roca ganixileba enis

Sesaxeb kanonSi cvlilebebis Setanis sakiTxi

da mzaddeba safuZveli am moRalaturi kanon-

poeqtis misaRebad, garegin II dums da es

dumili karga xania grZeldeba.

am punqts gansakuTrebiT gamovyofT, vi-

naidan swored ena da mesropiseuli damwer-

loba icavda somex xalxs da Cveni eklesiac

swored man gaxada erovnuli; misi daxmare-

biT gaZlierda eklesiis poziciebi somexi

xalxis cxovrebaSi. dRevandeli xelisufleba

am kanonproeqtis miRebiT, sakuTari xelebiT,

kaTalikosis gulgrili dumiliT qmnis Cveni

xalxis daRupvis safuZvels.

2. somxeTis Suasaukuneebis eklesiebisa da

monastrebisadmi ganxorcielebuli kulturuli

genocidi, rac maT evroremontSi gamoixate-

ba da rac swored garegin II-is sakaTaliko-

so taxtze jdomis procesSi daiwyo.

3. sasuliero pirTa korumpirebuloba, rac

safrTxes uqmnis somxuri eklesiis momavals.

4. eklesiasa da xalxs Soris gaCenili

uzarmazari barieri, rac asustebs eklesias

da stimuls aZlevs sxvadasxva seqtantur

organizaciebs.

5. eklesiisadmi xalxis undoblobisa da

upativcemulobis formireba, risi mizezic

cnobilia.

6. eklesiisa da xelisuflebis arabune-

brivi da gamaRizianebeli `Zmoba~

7. eklesiis biznesis samyaroSi Cafvla...

iniciativis wevrebi erovnuli saeklesio

sabWosgan moiTxoven werilobiT axsna-gan-

martebas am sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT da

amboben: ̀ Cven gvjera, rom somxur samociqu-

lo eklesiaSi jer kidev arian uflisTvis

saTno RvTismsaxurebi, romlebic Tanmimdevru-

lad gadaWrian sakiTxs~.

aRsaniSnavia, rom es pirveli gancxadeba

ar gaxlavT, romelic

am sainiciativo jgufma

gaavrcela. manamde somx-

ur presaSi daibeWda

maTi werili, romlis

srul teqstsac qve-

moT gTavazobT.

`somxuri samociqu-

lo eklesiis sasarge-

blod Cven gamovdivarT

garegin II-is winaaRm-

deg. somxuri samociqu-

lo eklesiis roli

Cvens istoriaSi, somexi

xalxi kulturaSi, somx-

uri identurobis Se-

narCunebis saqmeSi fas-

daudebelia da ganu-

zomeli. somxuri samo-

ciqulo eklesia ufro

metia, vidre ubralod

religiuri organiza-

cia. is erovnuli fa-

seulobaa, somxuri

identurobis nawili. am

eklesiis centri _

kaTalikosatia, wminda

eCmiaZini, sruliad

somexTa brZeni kaTa-

likosis xelmZRvanelo-

biT.

Cven dRes tkiviliT aRvniSnavT, rom sruliad

somexTa axlandeli kaTalikosi garegin II ar

iCens sakmaris seriozulobas, keTilgoniere-

basa da saTnoebas, ugulebelyofs ra somx-

uri samociqulo eklesiis mniSvnelovan rolsa

da mis mier natvirT pasuxismgeblobas.

istoriidan cnobil netar mRvdelmsax-

urebTan SedarebiT, garegin II antiqristian-

uli principebiT xelmZRvanelobs.

kerZod:

somxuri samociqulo eklesiis amJamindeli

korumpirebuloba;

xalxsa da eklesias Soris gaCenili bzari;

naxevrad daSlili da miSvebuli mdgomar-

eoba moqmedi Tu aramoqmedi somxuri ek-

lesiebisa;

katoxikaSi eklesiis ganadgurebis xarjze,

erevnis centrSi kaTalikosis axali rezi-

denciis sruliad uadgilo mSenebloba;

kaTalikosis araseriozuli qceva da mTe-

li rigi sxva viTareba uflebas gvaZlevs

Cven, moviTxovoT am kaTalikosis gadayeneba.

Cvens eklesias ar Sehferis hyavdes iseTi

winamZRoli, romelmac ver SeZlo safuZv-

liani pasuxebi gaeca am SekiTxvebze~.

amrigad, aRniSnuli samoqalaqo iniciativa

moiTxovs erovnuli saeklesio krebisgan kaTa-

likosis gadayenebasa da somxuri samociqu-

lo eklesiis rolisa da mniSvnelobis aRd-

genas ̀ somexi xalxis identurobis gansazRvris

am rTul periodSi da faseulobebis gada-

xedvas~.

aRsaniSnavia isic, rom samoqalaqo inicia-

tiva `moviTxovT kaTalikosis gadayenebas~

xazs usvams im faqts, rom es brZola

mxolod somexi xalxisaa da mouwodebs sxva

pirebsa da organizaciebs ̀ ar Caerion da ar

mibaZon moZaobas, vinaidan sakiTxi metad

siRrmiseulia~.

rogorc xedavT, am gancxadebebSi CamoTv-

lil mizezebSi erTi sityviTac ar aris

naxsenebi somexTa Tavdapirveli gancxadebidan

arc erTi sityva imasTan dakavSirebiT, TiTqos

kaTalikos garegin II-is gadayenebis survili

somxebs Cvens uwmindessa da unetaresTan,

ilia II-sTan Sexvedrisas misma Seuferebelma

da gamaRizianebelma saubarma da qcevis ma-

nerebma aRuZra. dadasturda, rom garegin II-

is winaaRmdeg `laSqroba~ marTlac `somxur

Sidasamzareulomde midis; rom ilia II-sTan

gareginis lamis ZvelbiWuri saubari ubra-

lo sababi gaxldaT samoqalaqo iniciativis

kidev uro gaaqtiurebisa; rom es SemTxveva

somxebs didad marTlac ar moxvedriaT guls,

Torem erTxel xom mainc axsenebdnen im

Canawers, romelic manamde ̀iuTubize~ atvirTes

da msolios anaxes; rom am skandals dasas-

rulic iseTi eqneba, rogorc es qalbatonma

lelam iwinaswarmetyvela: ̀ garegin II-s wyals

Seuyeneben... da somexi xalxi aramxolod pa-

triarqs, aramed mTavrobasac Secvlis~.

amonaridi 2011 wlis

21 Tebervlis interviudan.

gazeTi #52.

`kadafi did `feierverkebs~ mouwyobs

sakuTar xalxs, radgan mas gadawyvetili

aqvs, nebismier fasad SeinarCunos Za-

laufleba... kadafi mzadaa, Tundac qvey-

ana orad gaiyos da erTi nawili meores

samkvdro-sasicocxlod SeebrZolos, oRond

ar daTmos posti... magram, miuxedavad

imisa, rom kadafi viTom inarCunebs posts,

sabolood mainc Camoagdeben `taxtidan~.

lela kakulia

es sityvebi qalbatonma lelam maSin gviTxra,

libiaSi areuloba sul raRac erTi kviris

dawyebuli rom iyo da lamis mTeli msof-

lios eqspert-politologebi fiqrobdnen, aqac

iseve swrafad damTavrdeba kadafis damxobis

saqme, rogorc sxva arabul qveynebSio; anu

revoluciis dasasruls, bevri-bevri, erT kvi-

raSi Tu elodnen. arada...

muamar ben muhamad abu meniar abdul

saliam ben hamid al-kadafim libiaSi monar-

citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi

`nato 26 agvis-

tos saqarTvelos

regionSi, afxazeT-

Si C atarebul

s a pr e z i d e n t o

arCevnebs ar aRi-

a r e b s . m s g a v i

arCevnebis gamarT-

va saqarTveloSi

mSvidobiani proces-

ebis warmarTvas

xels ar Seuwyobs...

Crdiloatlantikuri aliansi srulad uW-

ers mxars saqarTvelos suverenitetsa da

teritoriul mTlianobas im sazRvrebSi,

romlebic saerTaSorisod aris aRiarebuli~.

anders fog rasmuseni,

nato-s generaluri mdivani

`finansuri ideolo-

gia ganagrZobs do-

minirebasa da Cvens

daSinebas. aucilebelia

aRvadginoT wonas-

woroba politikas,

ekonomikasa da sazoga-

doebis moTxovnebs

Soris, rogorc es iyo

erTiani evropis Seqm-

nis dasawyisSi...

me gadavwyvite, rom

dadga nabaTis Semokvris Jami: evro kraxis

zRvarzea, magram yvela iseT saxes Rebu-

lobs, TiTqos araferi xdeba~.

Jak delori, evrokomisiis

eqs-Tavmjdomare, erTiani evropuli

bazris erT-erTi Semqmneli

`Cven erTi gundi varT,

anqvabs mxars uWeren

somxebi, romlebic iar-

aRiT xelSi icavdnen

samSoblos _ afxazeTis

Tavisuflebas. eseni ari-

an afxazeTis gmirebi...

miuxedavad imisa, rom

gasul arCevnebSi somxe-

bis absoluturma umrav-

lesobam moqmed xelisule-

bas dauWira mxari, xelisulebaSi somxebis

raodenoba ar gazrdila. faqtobrivad, ad-

amianebi moatyues. am Secdomis gameoreba

aRar Rirs!~

suren kerseliani,

afxazeTis somexTa

saTvistomos Tavmjdomare

77

qiis damxobis Semdeg Camoayaliba `mesame

msoflio Teoria~, romelic samtomeul naS-

romSi `mwvane wigni~ gadmosca, da qveyanaSi

mmarTvelobis axali forma _ jamahiria

daamyara.

kadafis mmarTvelobis periodSi libia

araerTxel daadanaSaules sazRvargareTis

saxelmwifoebis saqmeebSi CarevaSi. 1977 wels

sasazRvro omi moxda egviptesTan, xolo

1980 wels qveyana CaTreuli aRmoCnda Seiar-

aRebul konfliqtSi CadTan.

iyo ra panarabizmis momxre, kadafi Zal-

Rones ar iSurebda gaeerTianebina libia

sxva qveynebTan, magram cda uSedegod das-

rulda. kadafi daxmarebas uwevda mraval-

ricxovan erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebel, revolu-

ciur da teroristul organizaciebs mTel

msoflioSi. xmauriani teraqtebi, romlebSic

libiuri kvali ikiTxeboda, gaxda safuZveli

qveynis dabombvisa 1986 wels, xolo 1990-Si

sanqciebis dawesebisa.

2011 wlis 27 ivniss saerTaSoriso sasa-

marTlom muamar kadafis dapatimrebis sanq-

cia gasca, dasdo ra bralad mkvlelobebi,

ukanono dapatimrebebi da dakavebebi.

movlenebi ki Semdegnairad viTardeboda:

2010-2011 wlis zamTarSi arabul qvey-

nebSi masobrivi mRelvarebebi daiwyo, rac

sxvadasxva mizezebiT iyo gamowveuli da

mimarTuli gaxldaT xelisuflebebis winaaRmdeg.

areulobebis Sedegad xelisuflebebi Seicv-

ala tunissa da egvipteSi da moicva sxva

arabuli saxelmwifoebi, maT Soris libiac.

15 Tebervlis saRamos benRaziSi im ad-

amianebis naTesavebi Seikribnen, romlebic 1996

wels daapatimres, tripolis cixe `abu-sal-

imSi~ Casves, xolo Semdeg gaurkvevel vi-

TarebaSi daxoces imave sapyrobileSi. Sekre-

bilebi advokatisa da uflebadamcvelis, feTxi

Tarbelis gaTavisuflebas iTxovdnen. miuxe-

davad Tarbelis gaTavisuflebisa, demonstran-

tebi qveynis usafrTxoebis ZalebTan brZo-

laSi Caebnen. momdevno dReebSi antisaxelisu-

flebo gamosvlebi aqtiurad ixSoboda libiis

lideris erTguli Zalebisa da ucxoeli

daqiravebuli mebrZolebis mier.

18 Tebervals demonstrantebma qalaqi

al-baida aiRes. amasTan, adgilobrivi poli-

cia protestantebis mxares gadavida.

20 Tebervals igive bedi ewia ben-

Razisac, ris Semdegac areulobebma dedaqalaqSi

gadainacvla. qveynis amboxebuli aRmosavleTi

nawili ramdenime dReSi aRmoCnda kadafis

mowinaaRmdegeTa kontrolqveS. opoziciis

ZiriTadi, mTavari moTxovna polkovnik kadafis

gadadgoma gaxldaT.

22 Tebervlis saRamos muamar kadafi

saxelmwifo televiziiT gamovida da ganacx-

ada: `libiis liders ar aqvs posti da

ver datovebs mas; is ar gaxlavT prez-

identi, is ubralod revoluciis lide-

ria da bolomde darCeba am miwaze.

libiaSi ar aris omi, ubralod, narko-

tikebiT gabruebuli axalgazrdebis

jgufebi Tavs esxmian policiis ganyo-

filebebs da iaraRs itaceben. isini

pativs ar scemen sakuTar qveyanas, egvipte-

sa da tuniss baZaven da surT, libia

islamur saxelmwifod _ axal avRane-

Tad _ gadaaqcion. am virTxebiT ucx-

oeTis Zalebi manipulireben, `al-qai-

das~ CaTvliT. Cven jer kidev ar ga-

mogviyenebia maT winaaRmdeg Zala, ma-

gram SegviZlia es gavakeToT kidec

libiis kanonmdeblobis Sesabamisad. Tu

protestebi gagrZeldeba, yvela saxli

saTiTaod gaiwmindeba, sanam protestan-

tebi ar dagvnebdebian. vinc iaraRs ar

dayris, sikvdiliT daisjeba. libia xval-

idan axleburad iwyebs cxovrebas. Seiqmneba

municipalitetebi da sazogadoebrivi

komitetebi. libielebs miecemaT Sesa-

Zlebloba, sakuTari Sexedulebisamebr

airCion konstitucia an axali sakanon-

mdeblo sistema~.

gancxadebaSi kadafim agreTve Tqva: `me

arasdros davtoveb libiis miwas, sisx-

lis ukanasknel wveTamde vibrZoleb da

aqve movkvdebi, rogorc wamebuli. kadafi

ubralo prezidenti ar aris, rom wav-

ides, is revoluciis beladia da meo-

mari beduini, romelmac dideba moutana

libias. Cven _ libielebi _ vebrZodiT

aSS-sa da did britaneTs da arc axla

davnebdebiT~.

26 Tebervals gaero-s usafrTxoebis sa-

bWom libiaSi iaraRisa da sxva nebismieri

samxedro daniSnulebis masalis Setanaze

sanqciebi daawesa. agreTve aukrZala kadafis

sazRvargareTis qveynebSi vizitebi da gayina

ucxoeTSi arsebuli misi aqtivebi.

27 Tebervals benRaziSi gamarTul sa-

gangebo TaTbirze amboxebulebma erovnuli

gardamavali sabWo Camoayalibes, rogorc

revoluciis xelisuflebis organo. mas saT-

aveSi qveynis yofili iusticiis ministri

mustafa jalili Caudga.

imave dRes libiis dasavleTSi kadafis

mowinaaRmdegeebma xelT igdes qalaqi ez-

zavia navTobgadamamuSavebeli mrewvelobis

umniSvnelovanesi centri. amasTan qveynis aR-

mosavleTidan amboxebulebi tripolisken

daiZrnen da gzadagza yvela Semxvedr qalaqs

iRebdnen.

martis Sua ricxebSi samTavrobo jare-

bi Setevaze gadavidnen da oriod dReSi

sakuTar kontrolqveS daabrunes ramdenime

qalaqi, maT Soris, ez-zavia.

17-18 martis Rames gaeros usafrTxoebis

sabWom miiRo rezolucia, romelic krZala-

vda libiuri aviaciis frenas, agreTve nebi-

smieri zomis gamoyenebas libielebis dasaca-

vad, garda saxmeleTo operaciebisa.

19 martis Rames safrangeTisa da aSS-is

SeiaraRebulma Zalebma wamoiwyes operacia

`odisevsis ganTiadi~, romelic libiis samxedro

wertilebis ganadgurebasa da mSvidobiani

moqalaqeebis dacvas isaxavda miznad. opera-

cias evropisa da arabeTis rigi qveynebi

SeuerTdnen. kadafim sityviT mimarTa li-

biel xalxs da saerTaSoriso koaliciis

misamarTiT ganacxada: `Tqven ar xarT mzad

omisTvis, Cven ki varT. Cven bednierebi

varT, rom es momenti dadga... Tqven

agresorebi xarT, Tqven cxovelebi xarT!

adre Tu gvian yvela tirani daecema!~

koaliciis avia- da saraketo dartymebis

Sedegad, kadafis momxreebma dakavebuli pozicie-

bidan ukan daixies, xolo amboxebulebma kv-

lav daikaves dakarguli qalaqebi. albaT,

aRniSvna ar sWirdeba im faqts, rom omi

mTeli sisastikiT mZvinvarebda da rogorc

amboben, 50 aTasi kaci Seiwira.

30 aprils libiis lideri kvlav gamov-

ida telemimarTviT da ganacxada, rom mza-

daa zavis dadebisa da molaparakebebis dasaw-

yebad da mouwoda nato-s Seewyvita saerTa-

Soriso samxedro operacia misi qveynis mi-

marT. Tanac daamata: `Tqven moiTxovT,

rom xelisufleba imas gadavce, vinc

igi jer kidev 1977 wels datova. ra

gadavce mas? sakuTari qveyana? es ubral-

od sasaciloa. vis aqvs ufleba, aiZu-

los adamiani, rom man samSoblo mia-

tovos?.. me ar vapireb Cemi qveynidan

wasvlas. veravin maiZulebs uari vTqva

mSobliuri saxelmwifos dacvaze!~

27 ivniss, rogorc zemoT aRvniSneT,

haagis saerTaSoriso sasamarTlom kadafis

dapatimrebis orderi gasca.

20 agvistos, ramdenime Tviani brZolebis

Semdeg, amboxebulebma dedaqalaqs Seuties.

dapirispirebul mxareebs Soris sastiki brZole-

bi gaimarTa.

23 agvistos kadafis mowinaaRmdegeebma

samTavrobo kompleqsi aiRes, magram polk-

ovniki iq ar aRmoCnda. samagierod, maT Tavi

mohkveTes kadafis mooqrovil statuas da

wixlebiT Sedgnen zed. amasTan, ajanyebulebma

dawves `beladis~ beduinuri karavic, sadac

igi ucxoel stumrebs Rebulobda da sazR-

vargareTac ki dahqonda.

cota xnis Semdeg kadafim audiomimarTva

gaavrcela da samTavrobo kompleqsis daTmo-

ba `taqtikur manevrad~ Seafasa da daamata:

`me SeumCnevlad, malulad davaTvaliere

tripoli da raRac ver vigrZeni, rom

is safrTxeSia~.

amboxebulebma ki 1.6 milioni dolari jildo

SesTavazes libiis lideris nebismier mo-

mxres, vinc maT kadafis _ cocxalsa Tu

mkvdars _ gadascemda. Tanac amnistiac

aRuTqves.

dReisaTvis (28 agvisto) amboxebulebi

TiTqmis sruliad akontroleben libias, kadafis

mSobliuri qalaqis, sirtis gamoklebiT, romel-

ic alyaSia moqceuli. aravin icis, sad

gaxlavT Tavad polkovniki, romelic kidev

erTxel acxadebs, rom molaparakebebisTvis

mzadaa _ amjerad, xelisuflebis Secvlis

Taobaze mosalaparakeblad. amis Sesaxeb misma

warmomadgenelma ganucxada erT-erT sain-

formacio saagentos. rogorc libiaSi mo-

muSave `bi-bi-sis~ korespondenti varaudobs,

es kidev erTi xerxia, kadafis xelisufleba-

Si dasarCenad. magram winaswarmetyveleba, albaT

ukve Zalian male _ SesaZloa gazeTis ga-

mosvlamdec _ aucileblad asruldeba da

kadafis, romelmac marTlac ̀didi feierverkebi~

mouwyo sakuTar xalxs, oRond Zalaufleba

ar daekarga, ueWvelad mouwevs `taxtidan

Camosvla~. yovel SemTxvevaSi, moskovmac ki,

romelic karga xnis ganmavlobaSi mxars uWerda

kadafis, ukve irwmuna misi reJimis aRsasru-

li, vinaidan ruseTis dedaqalaqSi mdebare

libiis saelCos Tavze ukve aRar frialebs

jamahiriis mwvane droSa. moskovSic, kievsa

da minskSic libielma diplomatebma sael-

Coebis Tavze ukve aRmarTes opoziciuri

moZraobis samferovani almebi.

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m c i r e o m i ,romelmac msoflio SeZra

saqarTvelo, ruseTi da dasavluri samyaros momavali

ronaldronaldronaldronaldronald d.d.d.d.d. asmusasmusasmusasmusasmusiiiii

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#49-56)

amgvari arCevanis gamo saqarTvelo sul

ufro da ufro Zlieri wnexis qveS eqceoda

ruseTis mxridan _ rogorc politikuri,

ise fsiqologiuri Tu ekonomikuri Tval-

sazrisiT; da mainc, Tbilisi ara marto

gezis Secvlaze ambobda uars, aramed sawi-

naaRmdego politikuri nabijebis gadadgmasac

ar erideboda. saakaSvili arc nato-sken

miswrafebaze iRebda xels da arc aSS-sTan

mWidro kavSirebis gadaxedvas apirebda. ar

surda putinis dakrulze ecekva da is ki

ara, rogorc ambobdnen mas ̀liliputinadac~

ki ixseniebda xolme. marTalia, man es braldeba

uaryo, magram bevrisaTvis, vinc mas icnobs,

amgvari ram gasakviri arc yofila. 2006

wlis miwuruls, mas mere, rac araerTxel

gamJRavnda ruseTis faruli mcdeloba _

saqarTvelos saSinao politikaSi efaTurebi-

na xeli, saakaSvilma ukve sajarod amxila

da qveynidan gaaZeva kidec jaSuSobaSi bralde-

buli ruseTis dazvervis 4 oficeri.

ruseTma amas sruli ekonomikuri embar-

gos SemoRebiT upasuxa da ara marto vaWroba,

satransporto da safosto urTierTobebic

akrZala saqarTvelosTan. savaraudod, mil-

ionobiT dolari daixarja antisamTavrobo

qmedebebze da aseve gafarTovda faruli

saqmianobac. ruseTma mTeli programa Sei-

muSava iq mcxovrebi eTnikuri qarTvelebis

sawinaaRmdegod, dauketa maT kerZo maRazie-

bi da masobrivad wamoiwyo udanaSaulo ad-

amianebis deportireba. 2007 wlis gazafx-

ulze samxreT oseTSi mivemgzavrebodi man-

qaniT da gzaSi erT-erTi evropuli qveynis

dazvervis warmomadgeneli miambobda im araer-

Ti faqtis Sesaxeb, rogor cdilobdnen rusebi

saqarTvelos politikaSi uxeS Carevas. roca

vkiTxe, Sens amgvar moxsenebebze Senive mTavroba

rogor reagirebs=-meTqi, mipasuxa: ̀ ver vbedav

yvelafris miweras, rac aq xdeba. aravis

surs amis mosmena da arc aravin dam-

ijerebs. es aris veluri dasavleTi~. mar-

Tlac, yvelaferi civi omis droindeli jon

lekareseuli jaSuSuri romanis siuJets ems-

gavseboda, oRond aq saqme gacilebiT seri-

ozuli Canda.

saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg ruseTis yvelaze

qmediTi iaraRi albaT isev afxazeTis da

samxreT oseTis gayinuli konfliqtebi iyo.

Sesabamisad, Tbilisis usustes wertiladac

igive problema moiazreboda. is ubralo faq-

ti, rom sakuTari teritoriis 20 procentze

mets Tbilisi ki ara, ruseTi akontrolebda,

da es regionebic ukanonobis, kontrabandisa

Tu organizebuli danaSaulis buded iqceoda

xolme, cxadia, TavisTavad arTulebda saba-

zro reformebis gatarebas, kanonis uzenaeso-

bisa Tu meti demokratiis damkvidrebas mTel

qveyanaSi. am problemasTan brZolas mihqonda

politikuri energiis, kapitalisa da resurse-

bis meti wili: aravis surda maTi gadaWra im

qarTvelebze metad, vinc qveynis ekonomikasa

da ucxouri investiciebis mozidvaze agebda

pasuxs. destabilizaciis SesaZlebloba isev

afrTxobda evropel mokavSireebsac: maT Zalze

aSinebdaT im lokalur eTnikonfliqtebSi CaTre-

vis SesaZlebloba, romlis ukanac sinamdvile-

Si didi ruseTi idga.

es yvelaferi saqarTvelos nato-sken

swrafvasac kiTxvis niSnis qveS ayenebda:

rogor ginda amgvar aliansSi Seiyvano qveyana,

romlis sazRvrebic daucvelia? romeli

sazRvris dacva ginda mosTxovo mokavSireebs

samomavlod? msgavsi problema mTlad axali

ar iyo: germania ise SeuerTda alianss

gasuli saukunis 50-ian wlebSi, rom aRmo-

savleTi teritoriebi dakarguli hqonda;

aTwleulebis ganmavlobasSi aliansisaTvis

gvarian Tavsatexs warmoadgenda gayinuli

konfliqti kviprosze da nato-Si gawevri-

anebisas arc baltiispireTis yvela saxelm-

wifos hqonda dadebuli sasazRvro xelSek-

rulebebi ruseTTan,

magram saqarTvelos nato-sken svla

mainc bevrad ufro rTul SemTxvevad

isaxeboda _ es imas hgavda, maraTonul

distanciaze morbenals fexebze borkilebi

daado...

es konfliqtebi aferxebda reformebs qvey-

anaSi, dasavleTs meti sifrTxilisken ubi-

Zgebda TbilisTan urTierTobebSi da ruseT-

sac udides upiratesobas aniWebda _ im

martivi mizezis gamo, rom am konfliqtTa

mogvareba didwilad Tavad moskovze iyo

damokidebuli.

putinma aseve gadadga nabiji afxazeTisa

da samxreT oseTis separatistul `mTavrobe-

bze~ moskovisa da piradad misi kontrolis

gasaZliereblad. saqarTvelo da samxreT os-

eTi ukve muSaobdnen savaraudo samSvidobo

SeTanxmebaze da 2000 wels am mimarTulebiT

mokrZalebuli nabijic gadaidga e.w. badenis

gegmis samuSao variantis SeqmniT. marTalia,

es dokumenti yvela sakiTxs ver agvarebda,

magram mainc saxavda im mimarTulebas, rasac

SesaZloa konfliqtis mSvidobiani mogvarebis

gza gaexsna. Tumca xelisuflebaSi putinis

mosvlis Semdeg moskovma cxinvalis xelisu-

flebis saTaveSi sakuTari kacis moyvana moaxerxa

_ yofili Cempioni-moWidavis, eduard kokoiTis,

romelic nasamarTlevic iyo da organizebul

danaSaulTan kavSirSi SemCneulic. ase rom,

2001 wels xelisuflebis cvlam bolo mouRo

cxinvalSi yovelgvar saubars saqarTvelosTan

SesaZlo mSvidobis ZiebasTan dakavSirebiT;

isini, vinc molaparakebis survils gamoTqvam-

dnen, maSinve CamoaSores samxreT oseTis xe-

lmZRvanel Tanamdebobebs. rogorc amboben,

prezidentad gaxdomisTanave kokoiTim daxu-

ruli Sexvedra gamarTa mrCevelTa jgufTan

da swored am Sexvedraze uaryo badenis

gegma da sanacvlod saqarTvelosTan samxedro

dapirispirebis gziT `samxreT oseTisTvis~

damoukideblobis mopovebis sakuTari gegmac

wamoayena. kokoiTis xelisuflebaSi bevri sak-

vanZo saministros saTaveSi TandaTanobiT

ruseTis dazvervis yofili kadrebi movid-

nen, visac manamde oseTTan araviTari Sexeba

ar hqoniaT. afxazeTma cota ufro meti

avtonomiurobis SenarCuneba moaxerxa, magram

moskovis wnexi aqac gaZlierda, rac imaSi

gamoixata, rom Tavdacvis ministrica da Stabis

ufrosic rusebi iyvnen. rogorc afxazeTSi,

ise samxreT oseTSi separatistuli adminis-

traciebis biujetis lomis wilsac igive

moskovi avsebda. putinis iniciativiT, 2002

wlidan afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis mosax-

leobisTvis rusuli pasportebis gacemis

gamalebuli kampaniac daiwyo. es pasporti

zogadad TiTqos gadaadgilebas aiolebda,

Tumca sinamdvileSi iqaurebi ZiriTadad mx-

olod ruseTSi Tu midi-modiodnen.

pasportizaciis am iZulebiT meTodiT

moskovma, ubralod, sakuTari yalbi di-

aspora Seqmna orive regionSi da kontr-

olis axali berketebi aamoqmeda, anu

jer kidev saqarTvelos teritoriad aRi-

arebul mxareebSi aTasobiT rusuli paspor-

tis darigebiT, SemdgomSi ruseTi `saku-

Tari moqalaqeebis~ dacvis motiviT mo-

qmedebis uflebas iZenda.

moskovSi Casuli dasavleli politikose-

bic putinis risxvis sagani xdebodnen da es

ukanaskneli arc maTTan saubarSi erideboda

pirdapir muqaras _ gayinul konfliqtebs

Tbilisis reJimis winaaRmdeg gamoviyenebo.

2006 wlis oqtombris bolos, moskovs aSS-

is saxelmwifo mdivani qalbatoni raisi stum-

robda. oficialuri sadilis Semdeg igi

pirispir Sexvda putins _ moskovis maxlo-

blad mdebare `monadiris qoxSi~ da saubri-

sas sityva saqarTvelozec Camovarda. putinis

toni imave wams Seicvala da man saakaSvilis

sawinaaRmdego mTeli tirada wamoTqva. dau-

faravad ganucxada stumars, rom Tuki saqarTve-

los lideri rodisme gabedavda afxazeTisa

Tu samxreT oseTis winaaRmdeg moqmedebas,

moskovi amas samxedro ZaliT upasuxebda da

rogorc afxazeTis, ise oseTis damoukide-

blobas ukve oficialurad aRiarebda. raisma

upasuxa, yvela mxares da maT Soris ruseT-

sac Tavis Sekaveba gvmarTebso;

man xazgasmiT uTxra putins _ SeerTe-

buli Statebi saqarTvelos teritoriul

mTlianobasa da sadavo sakiTxebis mSvi-

dobian mogvarebas uWers mxars da nebi-

smieri mxridan Zalis gamoyenebas win

aRudgebao. mere gaafrTxila kidec puti-

ni, moskovis samxedro intervencias aSS-

ruseTis urTierTobebisTvis Zalze mt-

kivneuli Sedegebi mohyvebao. ruseTis

prezidenti wamoenTo, fexze wamoxta da

oTaxidan gavida.

gayinuli konfliqtebis amgvar qmediT

berketad gamoyenebas ruseTis mxridan isic

ganapirobebda, ramdenad mniSvnelovani iyo

saqarTvelosTvis am dakarguli teritorieb-

is dabruneba. saakaSvili xelisuflebis saT-

aveSi aramxolod demokratiis, aramed qveynis

gamTlianebis dapirebiTac movida. marTalia,

afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis dakargvis

pasuxismgebloba mis winamorbedebs ekisrebo-

daT, man saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis

dacvis amocana #1 prioritetad gamoacxada

jer kidev inauguraciisas warmoTqmul sity-

vaSi. zogjer dasavlel diplomatebs isic

ki eCvenebodaT, TiTqos igi Tanamedrove am-

rikuli tipis politikasa da me-19 saukunis

droindel centraluri evropisa Tu balka-

nur nacionalizms urevda erTmaneTSi. roca

dasavlelebi urCevdnen xolme, jerjerobiT

mainc, es konfliqtebi ̀ gverdze gadadeo~, is

ara marto warsul usamarTlobebze,

ltolvilebsa Tu separatistul regionebSi

arsebul savalalo mdgomarobaze iwyebda

saubars, aramed im Rrma rwmenasac adas-

turebda, rom verc TviTon da verc misi

xelisufleba politikurad ver gaZlebda, Tuki

am teritoriebis dakargvas Seegueboda.

da bevri kritikosic saakaSvils swored

amas uTvlida Secdomad. maTi azriT, saqarTve-

los prezidents gayinuli konfliqtebi,

rogorc ̀ memkvidrobiT miRebuli~ problema,

droebiT unda daeviwya da pasuxismgeblobis

mTeli tvirTi sakuTar winamorbedebze gada-

etana. aseTi kritikosebis gancxadebiT, qarTul

sazogadoebas gacilebiT metad adardebda

umuSevrobis problema vidre dakarguli

teritoriebis dabruneba; Tumca amgvari xe-

dva, Sesaloa, metismetad gamartivebulic

gaxldaT:

Tuki saakaSvilis dasavleTsa da nato-

sTan integrirebis strategias sazogadoe-

bis 70-dan 80 procentamde uWerda mxars,

dakarguli teritoriebis dabrunebis mxar-

damWerTa ricxvi kidev ufro maRali iyo.

rogorc Cans, qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis

es bevrad mtkivneuli Temaa, vidre amis

dajereba dasavlel damkvirveblebs surdaT.

asea Tu ise, saakaSvili ar apirebda

pasuxismgeblobas gaqceoda da ar ecada

mainc, es teritoriebi daebrunebina: mas

daviT aRmaSeneblis magaliTi ar asvenebda.

amave dros saakaSvilma realurad daadas-

tura, rom uars ambobda sakuTari winamorbe-

debis upasuxismgeblo da romantikul nacio-

nalizmze: moqalaqeobis miseuli gageba eT-

nikurobis niSans ar emyareboda; igi respub-

likeli gaxldaT _ oRond ara partiuli

niSniT. mas surda damoukideblobis mopove-

bis Semdeg saqarTvelos saTaveSi myof neb-

ismier liderze Sors wasuliyo samxreT

oseTisa da afxazeTisTvis avtonomiebis SeT-

avazebis mxriv, magram, imavdroulad, saqarTve-

los teritoriuli mTlianobis ideis erT-

gulic rCeboda. prezidentobis pirvel TveebSi

saakaSvils mTavari politikuri krizisis mog-

vareba qveynis samxreT dasavleTiT mdebare

aWaris avtonomiur respublikaSi mouwia. aWaris

dedaqalaq baTumSi mdebareobs qveynis mTa-

vari porti; esaa mdidari anklavi, romelsac

imxanad erTpirovnulad marTavda iuri luJk-

ovTan _ moskovis merTan ̀Sekruli~ narkobar-

oni aslan abSiZe.

saakaSvilma moaxerxa krizisis mSvidobi-

anad ganmuxtva, sazogadoebis mobilizebis

gziT gandevna abaSiZe da saerTod, `xalxis

Zalis~ taqtikis bevri iseTi saSualeba gam-

oiyena, ramac vardebis revoluciis warmate-

ba uzrunvelyo. abaSiZe 2004 wlis maisSi

gadadga da ruseTis yofil sagareo saqme-

Ta ministr da imxanad saxelmwifo usafrTx-

oebis sabWos Tavmjdomare igor ivanovTan

_ sxvaTa Soris, warmoSobiT naxevrad

qarTvelTan _ erTad moskovs gafrinda.

saakaSvilma es gamarjveba amayad Seracxa

`meore usisxlo revoluciad~ da demokrati-

isa da samoqalaqo sazogadoebis gamoyeneb-

is axal gzad _ adgilobrivi separatistu-

li diqtatorebisTvis Zalauflebis xelidan

gamosaglejad. swored maSin man erTxel

kidev dado piroba, kvlavac ar daeSurebina

Zalisxmeva danarCeni ori separatistuli

provinciis kvlav saqarTvelos iurisdiqcia-

99(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)

Si dasabruneblad.

moskovi SedarebiT mSvidad Seegua am

ambavs: albaT imitom, rom abaSiZe imdenad

odiozur pirovnebad moCanda, misi dacva

arc uRirda; magram ruseTis gadasaxedidan,

`saqmeebi ase ar keTdeba!~ mokled, moskovi

alTas iyo da saakaSvili kidev _ balTas.

mogvianebiT putinma gaafrTxila kidec saakaS-

vili _ Cemgan meti daTmobis imedi nu

geqnebao! SemdgomSi saakaSvilmac gaixsena es

saubari da putinis sityvebi:

`gaxsovdes, aWaris saqmeebSi ar Caveri-

eT, magram samxreT oseTsa da afxazeTSi

igive mcdeloba xeirs ar mogitanT!~.

momdevno wlebSi putini dasavlel liderebTan

saubrebSi mudmivad ixsenebda aWaras da am

magaliTiT surda daemtkicebina _ ramdenad

arasaimedo iyo saaka|Svili gayinul konfliqtebT-

an mimarTebaSi. es iyo ruseTis samoqmedo

modelis kidev erTi gamoxatuleba: roca sax-

elgatexil narkobaronze kanonierebisa da

wesrigis saxeliT mopovebulma mcire gamar-

jvebam SeiZleba ukuSedegi iqonios da saqarTve-

los prezidentis arasaimedobis mtkicebule-

bad iqnes warmodgenili. aWaris movlenebis

Semdeg moskovma kidev ufro gaaZliera kon-

troli afxazeTsa da samxreT oseTze.

saakaSvilis strategia ramdenime komponents

moicavda: umniSvnelovanesi, albaT, mainc

saqarTveloSi wesrigis damyareba gaxldaT. aravin

isurvebda welSi gatexil da arSemdgar sax-

elmwifoSi cxovrebas, sadac korufcia yvaoda

da ekonomikuri SesaZleblobebi ukiduresad

SezRuduli Canda _ miT ufro, afxazeTisa

da samxreT oseTis gaucxoebuli umciresobeb-

isaTvis. Tuki saqarTvelos am dakarguli mx-

areebis dabrunebis raime imedi hqonda, mas

jer kidev demokratiuli da mdidari sa-

zogadoebac Tavadve unda Seeqmna. msgavsi xed-

va, e.w. magnitis Teoriis erTgvar saxecvlile-

bas warmoadgenda: saqarTvelos xelmZRvanelo-

bas principulad gaazrebuli hqonda uSualo

kavSiris arseboba saqarTveloSi reformebis

warmatebasa da gayinul konfliqtebs Soris.

samomavlo gaTvla gulisxmobda, rom saqarTvelo-

Si cxovrebis ukeTesi pirobebis SeqmniT, sab-

oloo jamSi, afxazebica da osebic for-

malur damoukideblobasa Tu sulac, ruseTTan

mierTebas, minc saqarTvelosTan farTouflebi-

ani kavSiris Sekvras amjobinebdnen. marTalia,

Tavdapirvelad saakaSvili amaze ar amaxvilebda

yuradRebas, magram saboloo mizani mainc saqarTve-

los dasavluri ganviTarebis xazis gatarebiT

afxazebisa Tu osebisaTvis konfederaciul

gaerTianebaSi ukeTesi cxovrebis |SeTavazeba iyo.

saakaSvilisTvis meore prioriteti misi

erT-erTi winamorbedis damangrevel Sida-

politikaze uaris Tqma da imis aSkara

gancxadeba gaxldaT, rom saqarTveloSi

umciresobebs uflebebic hqondaT da mo-

mavalic.

marTalia, mowinaaRmdegeebi cdilobdnen mis

moRvaweobaSi gamsaxurdias ugunuri roman-

tikuli nacionalizmis gagrZeleba daenaxaT,

magram sinamdvileSi swored saaka|Svilma SesTavaza

separatistebs uaRresad farTo avtonomia. es

SeTavazebebi avtonomiis imdenad maRal xarisxs

gulismxobda, arsebiTad, damoukideblobis

tolfardic ki iyo, ramdenadac saubari adg-

ilobriv doneze gadawyvetilebebis miRebis

uflebis delegirebas, Tavisufal ekonomikur

zonebs, federalur struqturebSi arapropor-

cul warmomadgenlobas, farTouflebebiani

federaluri struqturis farglebSi enisa da

kulturuli TviTmyofadobis sruli dacvis

garantiebs exeboda. iyo SemoTavazebebi aseve

saqarTvelo-ruseTis sazRvarze garkveuli RonisZ-

iebebis gatarebis Sedegad samxreT oseTis

mosaxleobisTvis oseTSi mimosvlis gaiolebi-

sa da maTTvis ormagi moqalaqeobis moqnili

meqanizmis SemuSavebis Taobazec. erTaderT

xelSeuxebel pirobad saqarTvelos teritori-

uli mTlianoba rCeboda _ sxva yvelaferi

molaparakebebis sagani SeiZleboda gamxdariyo.

mesame: Tbilisi aSkarad xedavda, rom arse-

buli formatebi da samSvidobo mandatebi

calmxrivi iyo, rac, Tavis mxriv, problemis

mogvarebas Zalian uSlida xels. es saqarTve-

los prezidentisTvis yelSi gaCxerili Zvaliv-

iT iyo da am mandatebis Secvla imTaviTve mis

umTavres amocanas warmoadgenda. Tavis droze

saqarTvelo iZulebuli Seiqna, amgvar pirobebs

daTanxmeboda, radgan qveyana uaRresad dasus-

tebuli iyo da sxvagvarad cecxlis Sewyvetas

veranairad ver miaRwevda. mandatis pirobebi

saqarTvelosTvis aseve xelSeuxebels xdida

konfliqtebis sakuTari ZalebiT mogvarebas.

nadvili samSvidobo procesis dasawyebad jer

am pirobebis Secvla iyo aucilebeli. saqarTve-

los surda nabij-nabij moezida regionSi

saerTaSoriso warmomadgnloba da saerTaSoriso

Tanamegobrobis monawileobis xarisxic _

gaero-sa da euTo-dan dawyebuli, evrokavSiris

CaTvliT. gegma ruseTis faqtobrivi monopo-

liis aRmofxvras gulisxmobda. formatis Secvla

imitomac iyo mniSvnelovani, rom adilze ukve

moTxovnilebebic sruliad gansxvavebuli gam-

oikveTa: arsebuli struqturebi da wesebi

ufro metad cecxlis Sewyvetasa da ZalTa

daSoriSorebas iyo misadagebuli; axla raRac

iseTi meqanizmebis SemuSaveba xdeboda saWiro,

rac ndobis aRdgenasa da konfliqtis mog-

varebas Seuwyobda xels.

Tumca saakaSvili mxolod Taflakveris imedad

ver iqneboda _ mas maTraxic esaWiroeboda.

cxadia, surda diplomatiuri meTodebiT mo-

qmedebac ganegrZo, oRond zurgs ukan Zalac

unda dgomoda. erTi mware gakveTili me-20

saukunis 90-iani wlebis omebic iyo misTvis

_ roca saqarTvelos uTuod sWirdeboda

Zlieri saxelmwifo da armia, ris arsebobasac

ruseTi aucileblad gaiTvaliswinebda da

qveynis saSinao saqmeebSi samxedro Carevas ase

Tamamad veRar moaxerxebda. gulubryvilod arc

imis sjeroda, rom soxumsa da cxinvalSi

msxdomi separatisti liderebi nebayoflobiT

daTmobdnen TavianT skamebs. saakaSvilis azriT

isini metismetad komfortulad grZnobdnen Tavs

da sakuTari mdgomareobis SenarCunebac did-

wilad swored am konfliqtebis arsebobaze

iyo damokidebuli. mas surda isini daerwmu-

nebina, rom status-kvo mudmivi maxasiaTebeli

ar iyo da, ase Tu ise, rodisme mainc

Seicvleboda.

ra Tqma unda, saakaSvils erCivna, cv-

lileba mSvidobianad da SeTanxmebulad ganx-

orcielebuliyo, magram, amave dros surda,

samxedro gadawyvetis SesaZleblobac ar gamo-

ericxa. es, erTis mxriv, molaparakebebisas

met wonasa da Zalas Sematebda naTqvams, da

meore mxriv, Tu saqme omze midgeboda, ami-

saTvis mzad yofiliyo. anu separatistebTan

urTierTobaSi is orive taqtikas uzavebda

erTimeores:

saubarSi SeeZlo uceb gadamxtariyo sep-

aratisti liderebis izolirebisa da maT

mimarT wnexis gaZlierebis muqaridan _

TanamSromlobisa da iseTi qmediTi mSvi-

dobis pirobebis SeTavazebaze, razec man-

amde SeiZleba verc veravis eocneba da

gonieri kaci arc uars ityoda. amitomac

bevri ucxoelisTvis bolomde gaugebari

rCeboda, ra iyo saqarTvelos preziden-

tisTvis ZiriTadi samoqmedo xazi da, saer-

Tod, misi bolomde ndoba Tu SeiZleboda.

mokled, im dros, roca saakaSvili Tan

samSvidobo iniciativebiT gamodioda da ̀faru-

li diplomatiis~ sakuTari receptebiT mo-

qmedebda, Tan qarTuli policiisa da Seiar-

aRebuli Zalebis ganaxleba _gaTanamedroveo-

basac mizanmimarTulad cdilobda. garkveuli

TvalsazrisiT, es, ubralod, im zogadi strate-

giis nawili iyo, rac Zlieri saxelmwifos

Seqmnas iTvaliswinebda _ sakuTari moqalaqeebis

dasacavad, oRond saakaSvils samxedro kuTx-

iT nato-s standartebTan daxloebis sur-

vilic amoZravebda da imgvari viTarebis miR-

wevas cdilobda, roca saqarTvelo, me-20

saukunis 90-iani wlebisgan gansxvavebiT, sepa-

ratistul |SeiaraRebul ZalebTan SexlaSi ukve

aRar damarcxdeboda. es iyo aseve gzavnili

ruseTisTvisac _ viciT, saqarTvelos serio-

zulad ar aRiqvamT, sanam qveyana namdvilad

ar gaZlierdeba da sakuTari Tavis dacvis

unars ar SeiZenso. saqarTvelos samxedro

Zlierebis zrda erT-erT im gzad moiazrebo-

da, rasac ruseTis asimetriuli pozicia unda

Seecvala da saakaSvilis mdgomareoba gaem-

yarebina. saakaSvils surda, ruseTs gaecno-

bierebina _ Tuki masTan brZolis provocir-

ebas moindomebdnen, pasuxic sTanado iqneboda.

am SemTxvevaSi, masSi ukve manerhaimma gaiRviZa.

rogor upasuxes am strategias afxazebma,

osebma da rac mTavaria, moskovma? pirvelma

orma TavdacviTi zRudeebi aago, kidev ufro

gaemijna saqarTvelos, urTierTTanamSromloba

gaaRrmava da moskovs mimarTa TxovniT, bo-

los da bolos, erTxel da samudamod ecno

maTi damoukidebloba. roca Tbilisi afxazur

Tu samxreT osur mxares sTavazobda saidum-

lo Sexvedras, erTica da meorec, rogorc

wesi, yurs iyruebda. separatist liderebs

mSvenivrad moexsenebodaT, rom maTi Zalau-

flebis wyaro ruseTTan kavSirsa da anti-

qarTul nacionalizmSi moiazreboda. maTi

identoba saqarTvelosTan dapirispirebis gancdaSi

iyo fesvgadgmuli _ Tuki es anklavebi

marTlac gaixsneboda gare samyarosTvis, iqaur

liderTa umravlesoba, savaraudod, skams veR-

arc SeinarCunebda. maTTvis aucilebeli iyo

`alyaSi moqceulTa~ imiji SeeqmnaT da saqarTve-

lo karsmomdgar, dauZinebel mtrad warmoeCi-

naT: yovel jerze, roca ki saqarTvelo

axali samSvidobo iniciativiT gamodioda,

Zlierdeboda saakaSvilis ganqiqeba da misgan

pirsisxliani mtarvalis xati iqmneboda.

moskovi, faqtobrivad, waugebel TamaSs

TamaSobda: oficialurad kvlavac saqarTve-

los teritoriul mTlianobas aRiarebda da

amiT sakuTari ̀ konstruqciulobis~ warmoCe-

nas cdilobda; dasavlel diplomatebTan

saubrebSi rusi kolegebi xSirad miuTiTebdnen

afxazebisa da osebis mxridan maTi aRiarebis

Txovnaze da es imis sabuTad mohqondaT, ra

rTuli iyo ruseTisTvis amgvari wnexis ga-

Zliereba da separatistebis daJinebuli moTx-

ovnebis Sekaveba. amave dros, es gaurkveveli

viTarebac ruseTisave wisqvilze asxamda wy-

als: konfliqtebis mogvareba, ra Tqma unda,

Seasustebda ruseTis gavlenas saqarTveloze

da Tbiliss dasavleTTan integraciisaTvis

gauxsnida xel-fexs. amis daSveba ki ruseTs

cocxali TaviT ar surda.

dasavleTi karga xnis win mixvda, rom

ruseTs am anklavebis cxel wertilebad

Senaruneba surda _ sakuTari gavlenis

maqsimalurad gasazrdelad da saboloo

miznis misaRwevad.

erTgvari paturi situacia Seiqmna: Tuki,

erTi mxriv, qarTvelebi sxvadasxva nabijebis

gziT cdilobdnen konfliqturi zonebi gare

samyarosTvis gaexsnaT da iq am samyaros

gavlena gaezardaT, separatist liderebs

sakuTari statusisa da aRiarebis garda

araferze surdaT saubari. cxadia, es

saqarTvelosTvis anaTema gaxldaT. separat-

istebi status-kvos uryevad SenarCunebas

eswrafvodnen, Tbilisi ki swored mis Secv-

laSi xedavda gamosavals. samSvidobo inicia-

tivebisa da gegmebis mravalwliani gadaRe-

Wvis miuxedavad, orive mxare wreze dadioda

da arc erT iniciativas gagrZeleba ar

mohyolia.

moskovsac ase erCivna da dasavleTSic

didad aravin cdilobda ufro qmediTi

nabijebis gadadgmas.

arada, viTareba marTlac CixSi Sevida da

saakaSvilic erTTavad am Cixidan gamosava-

lis ZiebaSi iyo.

saqarTvelos bevri partniori _ gan-

sakuTrebiT, evropaSi _ maincdamainc dar-

wmunebuli arc iyo saakaSvilis politikis

marTebulobaSi. maT Zalze afrTxobda neb-

ismieri saubari teritoriebis ZaliTa Tu

iZulebiT dabrunebis Taobaze; im SemTx-

vevaSic ki gamoxatavdnen xolme SeSfoTe-

bas, roca samxreT oseTis konfliqtis mog-

varebis kuTxiT saqarTvelo e.w. rbili Zalis

gamoyenebis strategiaze iwyebda saubars

da arc msgavsi taqtikis mxardaWeras apirebd-

nen. maT isic ar icodnen, ramdenad gul-

wrfeli iyo Tbilisi im samSvidobo geg-

mebTan mimarTebaSi, romelTac Semdgom gagr-

Zeleba da warmateba ar etyoboda. arc

ruseTis iZulebas apirebdnen samSvidobo

formatisa da mandatis Sesacvlelad da

arc arsebuli samSvidobo Zalebis sxva

kontingentiT Canacvlebis survils gamoTq-

vamdnen. yvelaze metad maT mainc saqarTve-

los samxedro Zalebis wvrTna da aRWurva

afrTxobdaT _ gansakuTrebiT im xmamaRa-

li gancxadebebis fonze, romlebSic teri-

toriebis iaraRis ZaliT dabrunebis sur-

vili cxadad gaismoda.

qarTvelebis azriT, dasavleTi mxolod

imas ambobda, risi gakeTebac ar SeiZlebo-

da, magram gamosavlis gzebs ar iZleoda;

maT araerTxel mousmeniaT gafrTxileba

Zalis gamoyenebis dauSveblobaze, magram

roca iqiT usvamdnen kiTxvas _ rogor

esaxeboda dasavleTs sinamdvileSi am kon-

fliqtebis mogvarebis perspeqtiva, pasuxi

mudam aradamajereblad JRerda xolme.

amgvar dilemebs da maT gamo Seqmnil

daZabulobas piradad gadavawydi, roca 2006

wlis gazafxulze saqarTveloSi viTarebis

gasacnobad Camovedi. swored maSin Sevxvdi

imJamindel Tavdacvis ministr irakli oqru-

aSvils. is SesaZlo samxedro moqmedebebis

yvelaze Tavgamodebuli damcvelis saxeliT

iyo cnobili _ Tavad cxinvaleli, pirobasac

debda, ministrobidan gadavdgebi, Tuki am

gandgomil provinciaSi saqarTvelos kontroli

2007 wlis 1 ianvramde ver aRvadgineTo.

ministrad daniSvnis Semdeg, man da misma

Stabma warsulis is samxedro operaciebi

Seiswavles, roca ama Tu im mxarem moulod-

neli strategiisa da swrafi reagirebis

Sedegad mizans miaRwia: ase magaliTad, is-

raelis moqmedeba 1967 wels da operacia

`grigali~, roca 1995 wels xorvatiuli, bos-

niuri da bosniur-xorvatiuli Zalebis mier,

gaero-s samSvidoboebis xelSewyobiT, sul

ramdenime dReSi moxerxda bosniur-serbiuli

armiis ganadgureba, ramac xorvatiasa da

bosniaSi omis dasrulebis winapiroba Seqmna.

Tumca bolomde gaurkveveli darCa, ramde-

nad seriozuli iyo ministris gancxadebebi

da didgulobis ra nawils Seicavda _ aki

uyvarda xolme stumrebis daTvze sanadirod

dapatJeba kodoris xeobasa Tu sxva wertileb-

Si... bevris azriT, jer kidev 2004 wlis

zafxulSi, swored misma mkacrma ritorikam

da taqtikam ganapiroba adgilobrivi Setake-

bebi samxreT oseTSi.

imavdroulad, oqruaSvili TandaTano-

biT saakaSvilis potenciur sapirwoned

da metoqedac ki ikveTeboda.

rogorc amboben, isini Tavidanve SeTanxmd-

nen, rom Tavdacvis ministri sajaod `qoris~

rols itvirTebda, prezidenti ki _ ufro

zomier pozicias daikavebda, raTa Tbilisis

dasavleli mokavSireebi ar daefrTxo. magram

oqruaSvilis gancxadebebma xalxSi gamoZaxili

hpova da misma popularobam imata. Jvanias

gardacvalebis Semdeg sul ufro gaxSirda

saubrebi misi saakaSvilis memkvidred moazre-

bis Taobaze da maTi dapirispirebis Temamac

wamoiwia win. rodesac oqruaSvils Tavdacvis

saministroSi piradad Sevxvdi, mas saakaS-

vilTan ukve daZabuli urTierToba hqonda.

1010

2011 wlis agvisto niSandobliviaRmoCnda ruseTisa da

afxazeTisaTvis. . .Cveni amaRlebuli

urTierTobebi sazarel gorgladCaiwna, rac kargad iniRbebapolitikuri lozungebiT.

afxazeTi da sicariele

afxazeTis pirvel saidumlos maSin Cawvdeb-

iT, Tuki iq manqaniT CaxvalT. soWis ser-

pantinze legendaruli, sakurorto, patara

qalaqebia gamwkrivebuli. sezonze isini xalxiT

isea gadaWedili, rogorc moskovis metros

vagonebi pikis saaTSi. sazRvars mxolod

mravalsaaTiani rigis Semdeg gadakveT. afx-

azebma ratomRac gaxurebuli sakurorto

sezonisas wamoiwyes mdinare fsouze gade-

buli xidis remonti. es Raribi da damoukide-

beli respublikis biujetis winaaRmdeg di-

versias hgavs... Tumca oficialuri pirebi

gvarwmunebdnen, rom turistebis nakadze am

remonts araviTari gavlena ar mouxdenia...

iqneb afxazeTs arc ise sWirdeba es dau-

patiJebeli stumrebi _ turistebi?

pirveli, rac gaognebT afxazeTSi, es sica-

rielea. carieli plaJebi, gzebi, qalaqebi da

dabebi, sadac saxlebis TiTqmis naxevari an

`amoRamebuli TvalebiT~ Semogcqerian, an po-

lieTileni aqvT gakruli fanjrebze... magram

aba scade da amgvar gamocarielebul, mitove-

bul saxlSi dasaxldi! Cveni gamcilebeli,

afxazeTSi cnobili Jurnalisti da polito-

logi, icinis, wuTic ar gava da avtomatebiT

SeiaraRebuli adamianebi dagadgebian Tavze _

eee, Sen aq ras akeTeb, es Cveni saxliao.

gamcilebeli xarxarebs da gveubneba, rom Tu

am SeiaraRebul xalxs etyvi, es saxli viyid-

eo, mere kidev ufro sasacilo iqnebao...

yvela es mitovebuli aTasobiT saxli arat-

itulovani erovnuli kuTvnilebisaa: qarTuli,

rusuli, somxuri, berZnuli. Tu isini afxazuri

araa, maSin adgilobrivi gagebiT, praqtikulad,

aravisia. afxazeTi _ es afxazi xalxis nacio-

naluri saxelmwifoa da ara sxvebisa, Tuki

vinmem jer kidev ver gaigo es da aqamde

iluziebiT cxovrobs. amaze metyvelebs respub-

likis uaxlesi istoria _ iyo afxazTa 17

procenti, gaxda 50-ze meti. sad gaqrnen sxva

danarCeni xalxebi _ qarTvelebis gamoklebiT

_ da ratom ar Cqaroben am madlian mxareSi

dabrunebas, sadac ukve 15 welia, rac omi aRar

aris? ratomaa carieli es uZvirfasesi miwebi?

kodoris xeobaSi mdebare dangreul be-

tonis xids vuaxlovdebiT da gamcilebeli

mwuxared gveubneba: ̀ ai, datkbiT, rad aqcia

aqauroba 2008 wels Tqvenma rusulma armi-

am, Tqvenma tankebma~.

naTqvami imdenad velurad JRers, rom

erT-erTma Jurnalistma Zlivs moikriba Zala

amoeRerRa: `magram maT xom es borotebiT

ar gaukeTebiaT! maT xom Tqven gadagarCines!~

mosaubre gamofxizlda da myis Secvala

toni, Tqva, rom, ra Tqma unda, isini mad-

loblebi arian ruseTisa... rogorc Cans, is

fraza, romelic Cven gavigoneT, Sidagamoy-

enebisTvis iyo gamiznuli...

mTielTa stumarTmoyvareobisdaundobeli kanonebi

afxazeTSi wminda saqmed miiCneva stumris

daTroba. ise daTroba, rom mas manqanaSi

pirRebineba daemarTos, rom magidis qveS daec-

es da xeliT gasatani gaxdes, rom stumari

diliT itanjebodes da kvdebodes, mere nasmurevs

ebrZodes da yvelaferi Tavidan meordebodes.

oficialuri versiiT, es yvelaferi raRac

kosmiuri kavkasiuri gulRiabisa da stumarT-

moyvareobis saxeliT keTdeba. sinamdvileSi ki

stumars erTaderTi mizniT aTroben _ daam-

ciron ̀didi miwidan~ mosuli, aCvenon, rom is

raRaciT mainc susti da dabalia aqaur avto-

qtonur xalxze. ̀komsomolskaia pravdas~ arams-

melma korespondentebma icodnen es kavkasiuri

saidumlo da dalevis yvela SemoTavazebaze

pasuxobdnen: `me kuWis wyluli maqvs~, `me

tuberkulozi mWirs~. Cven iqve gvTavazobdnen

oriod idiotur recepts yvelafris samkur-

nalod _ dawyebuli kiboTi, dasrulebuli

SidsiT _ da dasaleviT aRar gvawuxebdnen.

samagierod, Cven gvqonda ̀ bedniereba~, fxizeli

TaviT mogvesmina saubrebi sufrasTan imasTan

dakavSirebiT, Tu rogor awyobda ruseTi sa-

masi wlis manZilze CrdiloeT kavkasiaSi geno-

cids da moskovis metroebSi dokumentebis

totalur Semowmebebzec... da ra Tqma unda,

aravin apirebs, apatios es yvelaferi ruseTs.

Tu situacias fxizlad SevxedavT, afxazeTs

turistuli perspeqtivebi ar aqvs. erTaderTi

upiratesoba _ rekreaciul-bunerivi zonis

sicarielea. kavkasiuri stumarTmoyvareoba _

es miTia. Cven yovel nabijze vejaxebodiT

faqts, rom yvelaze paTosur kafeebSic ki

2011 weli, 20 agvisto

qarTveli winaswarmetyveli lela kakulia

erTaderTia winaswarmetyvelTa Soris, romel-

mac politikaze saubari gabeda. ukve 20 welia,

rac saqarTvelos politikosebi da biznes-

elita yurs ugdeben qalbatoni lelas progno-

zebs, xolo ubralo adamianebma xSirad zepi-

rad ician misi xedvebis Sesaxeb. ruseTis cx-

ovrebaSi mosalodneli didi movlenebis win

`konkretno.ru-s~ korespondenti ewvia adamians,

romelsac xSirad ̀qarTvel vangad~ moixsenieben.

sergei mironovi da valentina matvienko _ es

saxelebi JRers maSin, roca saubari ruseTis

saxelmwifos mesame pirs _ federaciis sabWos

Tavmjdomares _ exeba. rogor xedavs lela

kakulia TiToeuli maTganis momavals?

moxvedra im adamianTan, romelic sul

ufro didi popularobiT sargeblobs aramx-

olod saqarTveloSi, aramed am yofili

sabWoTa respublikis farglebs gareTac,

praqtikulad, SeuZlebelia. amerikeli, ger-

maneli, ebraeli milionrebi Tavs evlebian

qalbaton lelas, magram igi mainc erideba

maTTan Sexvedras. bolo dros winaswarmetyveli

cnobili gaxda ruseTis oligarqebs Sorisac.

politikosebi kidev calke istoriaa. erTni

cdiloben piradad Sexvdnen winaswarmetyv-

els, meoreni sakuTari ndobiT aRWurvil

pirebs agzavnian masTan. ubralo xalxs ki

qalbatoni lela ise uyvars, rogorc erovnuli

gmiri _ SigadaSig, fanatiurad _ izepireben

winaswarmetyvelebebs, Cuqnian suvenirebs, mow-

iwebiT esalmebian quCaSi da xaroben, roca

misi naTqvami sruldeba. arada, sruldeba...

winaswarmetyvelis eleqtronul fostaze

yoveldRiurad 60-70 werili modis masTan

Sexvedris TxovniT, xolo telefoni, romlis

nomris mosapovebladac yvela xerxs mimar-

Taven, TiTqmis Seuwyvetliv rekavs. qalba-

ton lelas arcTu Zalian moswons, roca

mas vangas adareben, radgan ambobs, rom

bulgareli naTelmxilveli, praqtikulad, ar

interesdeboda politikiT.

roca asrulda lela kakulias winaswar-

metyveleba iaponiis birTvul katastrofaze,

mas amomavali mzis qveynis konsuli ewvia,

raTa Seetyo, saidan iyo mosalodneli Semde-

gi saSiSroeba.

qarTveli winaswarmetyvelis erT-erTi bolo

xilva gaxlavT israelsa da arabul sam-

yaros Soris arsebuli myife mSvidobis

ngreva, rasac palestinis `gaqroba~ mohyveba.

es xilva 2011 wlis 20 aprilsaa Cawerili. iq

aris aseTi sityvebi: Tel-avivi Tavad mi-

iRebs gadawyvetilebebs da amerikis SeerTe-

buli Statebis mimarT sakuTar damokide-

bulebazec gaakeTebs gancxadebas: `Cven ar

gvWirdeba Zveli megobris rCevebi. Tavad

viciT, rogorc unda vimoqmedoT~.

axla, ukve ramdenime dRea, rac israelsa

da egviptes Soris Setakebebi grZeldeba.

konfliqtSi aqtiurad monawileoben pales-

tinelebic. israelma Razas seqtorsac Seu-

tia. siriam da iranma ki ukve gamoTqves

arabi ZmebisTvis mxardaWeris survili.

da ra moeliT or rus politikoss,

romelTagan erTi federaciis sabWos Tavmj-

domaris postidan moxsnes, xolo meore Tavdau-

zogavad cdilobs daikavos es Tanamdeboba

ruseTis prezidentis siaxloves?

lela kakulias sityvebiT, sergei mironovs

kidev aqvs politikuri momavali. man war-

sulSi pirad cxovrebasTan dakavSirebuli Rrma

sulieri dartyma miRo. is wesieri adamiania,

magram arasakmarisad Zlieri saimisod, rom

kremlis axlandel xelmZRvanelobas winaaRm-

degoba gauwios. pirvelad, roca mironovis

gvari vaxsene, winaswarmetyvelma brZana: me

vxedav, is dgas rogorc patara jariskaci,

xolo Tavi TeTri aqvs. Tu qalbatoni lelas

sityvebs virwmunebT, federaciis sabWos yo-

fil spikers ar Seswevs unari, mmarTveli

partiis winaaRmdeg seriozuli opoziciuri

partia Seqmnas, magram momavalSi SeuZlia

Tanamdeboba daikavos ruseTis xelisufleba-

Si. magaliTad, gaxdes sagareo saqmeTa samin-

istros Tavkaci, vinaidan misdami kargi damok-

idebuleba aqvT ucxoeTSi.

rac Seexeba valentina matvienkos, romel-

sac winaswarmetyveli jiutad moixseniebs

merad, smolnis amJamindeli diasaxlisi Se-

Zlebs gaimarjvos 21 agvistos arCevnebSi,

amis Semdeg moxvdes moskovSi da raRac

drois ganmavlobaSi Seasrulos qveynis xe-

lmZRvanelebis neba. magram, rogorc lela

kakulia amtkicebs, arc dmitri medvedevsa

da arc vladimir putins aRar miaCniaT

matvienko `Tavisianad~. momavalSi mas didi

usiamovnebebi elis. sajaro gaxdeba korufciisa

da ojaxuri biznesis faqtebi, romlebsac

matvienkos ojaxi kanonis darRveviT axor-

cielebda. gamJRavndeba matvienkos vaJis qmede-

bebic, romelic cdilobda qalaqis ekonomikis

sxvadasxva sferoebis kontrolirebas. prob-

lemebi swored moskovidan wamova, sadac

matvienko gadabargdeba. da mokle xanSi es

qalbatoni politikidan wava.

male ruseTs xelisuflebaSi kvlav komu-

nistebi movlen. am xalxma SesaZloa sul sxva

saxeli dairqvas, magram isini socialuri

Tanasworobis principebis mxardamWerebi iqnebian.

oRond genadi ziuganovs ar unda egonos,

rom es winaswarmetyveleba mas exeba. rogorc

qalbatoni lela xedavs, ruseTis federaciis

komunisturi partiis moqmedi lideri Tana-

partielebs Soris avtoritets kargavs. komu-

nistebs sxva adamiani Caudgeba saTaveSi.

arasaxarbielo beds uwinaswarmetyvelebs

lela kakulia politikaSi TavSergul mil-

iarder mixail proxorovsac. winaswarmetyve-

lis azriT, misi politikuri momavali bne-

lia. ruseTi ar miiRebs adamians, romlis

seqsualuri midrekilebebi gansxvavdeba say-

ovelTaod miRebulisgan.

qalbatoni lelas winaswarmetyvlebebs

CineTis tragediis, italiis katastro-

fis, afrikaSi axali omis, belorusSi

lideris Secvlis, amerikaSi mosalodne-

li teraqtebis, indoeTSi masStaburi

wyaldidobis, aSS-is respublikeli prez-

identis, moskovSi masobrivi Setakebeb-

isa da sxva uamravi ramis Sesaxeb male

waikiTxavT saitze `konkretno.ru~.

internet-media internet-mediainternet-media

Jurnalisti, romlis werilsac qvemoT gTavazobT, Cveni mkiTxvelisTvisnacnobia. ramdenime Tvis win is ukve gaxldaT saqarTveloSi special-uri vizitiT _ qalbaton lelasTan Sesaxvedrad. es saocrad urwmuno,eWviani adamiani (Tavad gaxlavar amis mowme. _ i.g.) maSin imdenadgaognebuli darCa lela kakuliasTan SexvedriT, rom gadawyvita,sakuTari xarjiT eTargmna misi wigni da gamoeca ruseTSi. axlandeli,ganmeorebiTi vizitic swored wignis Targmanis gadaxedvasa da axaliinformaciebis miRebas emsaxureboda. faqtia, baton meteliovs sruli-ad ar axarebs is Canawerebi, romlebic misi samSoblos axlo momavalsexeba, magram ras izams? winaswarmetyveleba sruldeba (mokle xanSiigi ukve bevrjer darwmunda amaSi) da isic ise Rebulobs lelakakulias naTqvams, rogorc warmoiTqmeba.samSobloSi dabrunebulma kiril meteliovma ukve gamoaqveyna qalba-

ton lelasgan axladmiRebuli xedvebis pirveli nawili saitze`konkretno.ru~, romlis Targmansac aqve gTavazobT.

P.S. sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime Tvis win am saitze ganTavsebuli metelio-vis werilebi qarTveli winaswarmetyvelis Sesaxeb, mravalma sxva rusulmasaitma aitaca da sakuTar gverdze ganaTavsa. iwyeba lela kakuliaskidev erTi winaswarmetyvelebis asruleba, rom misi msoflio aRiarebasxva qveynebidan daiwyeba da rom erT-erTi pirveli ruseTia.

kiril meteliovi:

ruseTis xelisuflebaSi komu-

nistebi movlen, xolo matvienkos

ojaxur klans sasamarTlo elis!

1111

mxolod afxazebis Semdeg gvemsaxurebodnen. anu,

SekveTas mivcemdiT, amis Semdeg kafeSi Tu

adgilobrivi moqalaqeebi Semovidodnen, Cvens

Sesaxeb imave wams samudamod iviwyebdnen. ofi-

ciantma gogonam ver agvixsna, ratom xdeboda

es, magram Cven isedac yvelafers mivxvdiT.

imasac ki, Tu ratom ar SeiZleba `ucxonom-

rebian~ manqanaSi arafris datoveba, garda

SuSaze gakruli warwerisa: ̀ manqanaSi araferi

ar aris!~ mivxvdiT, ratom daaqvT gamocdil

rus turistebs yvelaferi faseuli mucelze

akruli CanTiT, romelzec meti saimedoobisTvis

orive xeli aqvT Semoxveuli. turisti stumari

araa, mis gamo pasuxs aravin agebs da arc

aravin gamoesarCleba. miufurTxebiaT im

faqtisTvis, rom mas respublikaSi fuli Se-

moaqvs. metis Rirsia!

respublikis yvelaze feSenebelur otel ̀ricSi~,

yvelaze-yvelaze karg nomerSi, `saprezidento

nomris~ gverdiT, wiTeli xis avejis garda,

aris aivnis gatexuli kari, gafuWebuli maciva\ri,

naxevrad damtvreuli torSeri, dabzaruli,

amtvreuli kedlebi, amomwvari noxebi, amoyrili

CamrTvelebi, moryeuli sawolebi da ase Sem-

deg. am yvelafris gamosworeba erT saaTSi

SeiZleba, magram etyoba aravis sWirdeba. ra-

tom? afxazeTis universitetis ekonomikis fakul-

tetis dekanma gagviSifra adgilobrvi `servi-

sis~ saidumloebebi: `afxazi Sin Zalian stu-

marTmoyvarea. is umaRles doneze gimaspinZlebs...

magram is ver gaakeTebs igives sastumroSi

Tanxis safasurad. turistuli biznesi _ es

raRac miuwvdomelia afxazuri mentalitetisTvis...~

arCevnebi, romelSic ukvegaimarjves

ruseTi demonstraciulad gadga gverdze

momavali saprezidento arCevnebisgan. rogorc

Cans, aq ukve yvelaferi gadawyvetilia. adgi-

lobrivi, soxumuri ̀ maidnis~ quCis politikis

yvelaze cecxlovani subieqtebic ki ar mala-

vdnen mowyenilobas: `araferi Seicvleba. vin

gaimajvebs, ukve yvelam icis _ es Sambaa~.

aseTive subieqturi da sevdiani STabeWd-

ileba Segveqmna winasaarCevno StabebSi stum-

robisas. aleqsandr anqvabis saarCevno Sta-

bis xelmZRvanelma ubralod uari Tqva Cven-

Tan saubarze. an araferi hqonda saTqmeli,

an yelSi amouvidaT umsxvilesi rusuli gamoce-

mebis Jurnalistebi.

raul xajimbam gamonaxa CvenTvis dro. is

gamocdili kandidatia _ ukve samjer iyrida

prezidentad kenWs. gasagebia, rom karmuli

gardasaxva arc amjerad moxdeba Tundac im-

itom, rom raul xajimbas gancxadebebi, rbi-

lad rom vTqvaT, amovardnilia adgilobivi

politikuri trendidan: ̀madloba ruseTs dax-

marebisTvis. magram Cven am fuls ubralod

vylapavT... ratom unda imuSaos CvenTvis rus-

ma gadasaxadis gadamxdelma? rodemde unda

gagrZeldes ase? sanam Tavad rusebi ar gvetyvian:

`batonebo, droa iswavloT muSaoba!~

premier-ministr sergei Sambas StabSi Tava-

zianad gvesaubrnen momaval `afxazur gar-

Rvevaze~, ise rom kinaRam CamogveZina... Cvens

SekiTxvaze _ rogor apirebs Tqveni gundi

im rusebis problemebis gadaWras, rom-

lebmac aq saxlebi SeiZines an odesRac

flobdnen maT? _ TiTqmis gamarjvebuli

kandidatis warmomadgenelma uCveulod mwvave

reaqcia misca: ̀Tu Sen aTi welia ar gamoCe-

nilxar, ar mogwonda reJimi, xels ar ga-

Zlevda afxazuri demokratia... da rogorc

ki raRac usafrTxoeba gaCnda da Senc mog-

inda aq raRacis qona, anu misi ukan dab-

runeba... aq samarTlianobis sakiTxi dgas.

amitom Cven migvaCnia, rom afxazuri mxare

sworad udgeba am sakiTxs~.

afxazeTSi dasvenebas Taviseburi specifika

aqvs: omis zedmetad bevri nakvalevi da

naklebi stumarTmoyvareoba.

naalafari saxli zRvasTan

respublikaSi ucxoels miwis yidvis aravi-

Tari ufleba ar aqvs. uZrav qonebas legalu-

rad sakuTar saxelze ver SeiZenT. magram Cven

mainc vcadeT _ vewvieT saagentos ̀ afxazeTis

uZravi qoneba~, sadac RviZli naTesavebiviT

Segvxvdnen. `afxazeTSi miwis yidva Zalian mo-

mgebiania!~ _ aWikWikda rieltori qalbatoni.

_ `male CvenTan arCevnebi Catardeba da amis

Semdeg fasebi oTxjer gaizrdeba!~...

motyuebis sqema ar Secvlila: fulis

sanacvlod gaZleven generalur mindobilo-

bas. aseTi mindobilobebi ki SeiZleba dastebad

gascen da miwis nakveTi ramdenjerac gnebavT,

imdenjer gayidon sxvadasxva mesakuTreze...

SeniSna ra garkveuli undobloba Cvens

TvalebSi, rieltorma sxva mxridan mogviara.

gairkva, rom damatebiT xelwerilsac mogvcem-

dnen, TiTqos Cven maT fuli vasesxeT! ki

magram, mere ra vuyoT am xelwerils, Tuki

`nayid~ miwas am valis safasuradac ki mainc

ver miviRebT? es xom kanoniT ikrZaleba?!

aris sxva variantebic: Tqven SemogTavaze-

ben `moqalaqeobis yidvas~. magram arafers

getyvian imis Taobaze, rom mxolod gagris

raionSi sisxlis samarTlis orasze meti

saqmea aRZruli swored aseTi `Wkviani da

moxerxebuli~ adamianebis gamo. mTlian afx-

azeTSi ki ramdenia aseTi `Wkviani rusi~ _

jer aravis dauTvlia.

miuxedavad amisa, afxazeTSi uZravi qoneb-

is myidvelebi mainc mravlad arian! Zalze

samwuxaroa, rom maTi umravlesoba Cveneburi

pensionrebi arian. nuTu maT aravin auxsna,

rom sabWoTa kavSiri aRar arsebobs da rom

afxazeTi ucxo qveyanaa, miuxedavad imisa,

rac ar unda Tqvan politikosebma?

rusebi _ mudmivi susti rgoli

`komsomolskaia pravdam~ araerTxel daw-

era afxazeTSi rusi moqalaqeebisTvis sacx-

ovreblis warTmevis Sesaxeb. respublikis xe-

lmZRvaneloba didxans ikatunebda Tavs, rom

es mxolod kerZo SemTxvevebi iyo. roca

problemis miCumaTeba veRar moxerxda, spe-

cialuri komisia Seqmnes. am problemiT ufle-

badamcveli natalia venediqtova iyo dakave-

buli. Cven mas SevxvdiT, raTa gamarjveba

migveloca, magram man Cveni sixaruli ar

gaiziara: ̀ maSinac ki, roca sasamarTlo ker-

Zo sakuTrebas gakuTvnebs, Zalian rTulia

misi ukan dabruneba. rogorc ki Seecdebi

mimTviseblis gamosaxlebas, adgilze uecrad

gaCndeba naTesavTa mTeli armia, romlebic

deboSs awyoben. ese igi, sasamarTlos moge-

bis SemTxvevaSic ki, verafers iReb~.

_ ratom arTmeven sacxovreblebs mx-

olod rusebs? es raRac nacizmia! da

Tu msgavsi SemTxvevebi mravladaa, gamo-

dis, rom amas sazogadoebaSi arsebuli

foni uwyobs xels...

_ ara, amas erovnuli qveteqsti ar aqvs.

es xdeba susti rgolis principiT. rusi

pensionrebi ufro xSirad arian martoxelebi

da ar ZaluZT winaaRmdegobis gaweva. maT ar

hyavT moyayane naTesavebis brboebi...

cotam Tu icis, ra mdgomareobaSi aR-

moCndnen is pensionrebi, romlebmac mTeli

cxovreba afxazeTSi imuSaves. moxucebs ar

aqvT bostnebi, meurneoba, ar hyavT naTesav-

ebi _ yvelani didi xnis win wavidnen

ruseTSi. bevrma ver gaiforma ruseTis pen-

sia, ris gamoc iReben afxazurs _ 500

rubls. saqvelmoqmedo sasadilo `beriozka-

Si~ maT ubralo rusi mamakaci kvebavs, romel-

mac odesRac bevri ibrZola afxazeTisTvis.

patara sasadilos gaxurebuli saxuravis

qveS oflad viRvrebiT. anatoli nikulnikovi

Cqarobs amoTqvas saTqmeli da Cven Zala ar

Segvwevs, SevawyvetinoT mas monologi.

_ Cven aq ise vcxorobT, rogorc avRaneT-

Si. dRes me maTTvis deda terezasaviT var.

erT dRes sasadilo `beriozka~ rom gaqres,

ruseTSi amas veravin SeniSnavs. didi ambavi,

erTi ̀beriozkiT~ naklebi... saelCosTvis, rogorc

Cans, sul erTia. oficialuri pirebi, rom-

lebic ruseTidan afxazeTSi yovel kviras

Camodian, aq ar Semosulan. asobiT werils

vagzavni, magram Cveni Cinovnikebidan mxolod

luJkovma ireagira da aveji gamoagzavna~.

erovnuli saxelmwifo mravale-rovnuli ruseTis xarjze?

bolo TveebSi SesamCnevi gaxda, rom ruseTs

pretenziebi daugrovda Sefarebuli da gamokve-

bili damoukidebeli afxazeTis mimarT. ukmay-

ofilo mdidari afxazebi respublikaSi inves-

ticiebs ar uSveben. ukmayofiloa ruseTis

xelisuflebac, romelic sazRvrebis momavali

demarkaciis win afxazTa sijiutes Seejaxa.

afxazeTSi finansuri daxmareba farTod Seed-

ineba, magram sajarooba da namdvili, ara

sityvieri madliereba, raRac ar Cans. ratom?

Cven movaxerxeT gulRiad gvesaubra afxazeTis

saxelmwifo universitetis ekonomikis fakul-

tetis dekanTan. beslan baraTeliam agvixsna

is, razec oficialuri pirebi ar saubroben.

_ ratom ar uSvebs afxazeTi rusul

investiciebs?

_ roca investiciebze vsaubrobT, unda

gvesmodes konteqsti. omma da blokadam iqamde

migviyvana, rom afxazur sazogadoebaSi Zalian

myarad gaidga fesvi damoukideblobis ide-

am, romelic TviTmyofadobis SenarCunebasTan

asocirdeba. mSvidoba da damoukideblad cnoba

afxazebs Zviri daujdaT. da es investiciebi,

Semosavali aqedan, SeuZlebelia gaiwmindos,

ase vTqvaT, nacionaluri mundirisgan.

_ ra md e n ad wo n ad i a rus eT i s

ekonomikuri daxmareba?

_ kolosaluri. wels afxazeTis biujetma

7 miliardi rubli miiRo. gasuli wlidan

gadmogvyva auTvisebeli Tanxebis nawilic...

_ korufcia Zalian uSlis xels

ekonomikas?

_ oficialuri statistikis Tanaxmad,

korufcia CvenTvis problema ar aris. ruseTSi

am Temaze maRali tribunidan msjeloben

mainc, apatimreben kidec viRaceebs... Cven ki

aseTi problema Turme ar gvaqvs. amasTan,

Cveni Cinovnikebi xelfass 10 aTas rublze

mets ar Rebuloben, magram moxmarebis maRal

standartebs ki ikmayofileben~.

damSvidobebisas Cvenma Tanamosaubrem, ukve

diqtofonis gareSe SeniSna: `roca me an

oficialuri pirebi vambobT `afxazi xalxi~,

Cven ar vgulisxmobT berZnul, somxur an

rusul saTvistomoebs. mxedvelobaSi am dros

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azebisTvis. ruseTSi es aqamde ver gaiges~.

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beli, Cveni mxridan ki _ idealuri betonis

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afxazebs, daba gadmogveciTo, magram maT

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