allah abov arsh where is allah_ separate or part of creation_ above heaven & arsh

7/23/2019 Allah Abov Arsh Where is Allah_ Separate or Part of Creation_ Above Heaven & Arsh

1/34

Search Our

Website

You are here:Home Articles

Share0 Tweet 18

Where is Allah? Separate or Part of Creation? Above Heaven & Arsh?User Rating: / 36Poor Best RateCreated on Wednesday, 06 June 2012 18:15Written by Abdullah

Hits: 9050

Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamah believe in and confirm all of the attributes of Allaah without distorting their meaning,and that Allaah is above His seven heavens, above His 'Arsh, and separated from His creatures, and His creaturesare separated from Him.

The essential divine attributes of Allaah constitute an integral part of His essence and are not superadded to it. They are acceptedlite rally by A hlus-S unnah wa l-Jam a'h wi thout qu estion ing t he 'how ' of th ese attributes. To deny them is clear unbelief and heresy. Itis for this reason this discourse has been prepared to deal with the creed of Loftiness of Allaah, or the question, 'Where is Allaah?'

with the Scriptural evide nces from the Quran, authentic hadiths, proofs from sahabas and taba-eins.

Article Contentsa)Proofs from Quran.b)Proofs from Sunnah(Ahadith).c)Proofs from Sahabas and Tabieens who believed that Allah is above his Arsh.d)Objections by Sufis(barelwis) that Allah is everywhere.e) Further readings.

Send 201Like Share 18

Home Fiqh Articles I slamophobes Dawah Raqaiq LearnArabic IslamQA Gallery Sitemap AboutUs

HadithNarrators
http://asmaur-rijaal.blogspot.com/http://www.systemoflife.com/fiqhhttp://www.systemoflife.com/articleshttp://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobeshttp://www.systemoflife.com/dawahhttp://www.systemoflife.com/raqaiqhttp://www.systemoflife.com/learn-arabichttp://www.systemoflife.com/islam-question-answershttp://www.systemoflife.com/galleryhttp://www.systemoflife.com/sitemaphttp://www.systemoflife.com/about-ushttp://www.systemoflife.com/http://www.systemoflife.com/articleshttps://twitter.com/intent/tweet?hashtags=islam%2C%20salaf%2C%20systemoflife&original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.systemoflife.com%2Farticles%2Faqeedah%2F2000007-where-is-allah&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&related=mysystemoflife&text=Where%20is%20Allah%3F%20Separate%20or%20Part%20of%20Creation%3F%20Above%20Heaven%20%26%20Arsh%3F&tw_p=tweetbutton&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.systemoflife.com%2Farticles%2Faqeedah%2F2000007-where-is-allah&via=mysystemoflifehttp://www.systemoflife.com/sitemaphttp://www.systemoflife.com/raqaiqhttp://www.systemoflife.com/articleshttp://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobeshttp://www.systemoflife.com/http://www.systemoflife.com/articles/aqeedah/2000007-where-is-allah?tmpl=component&format=pdfhttp://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http://www.systemoflife.com/articles/aqeedah/2000007-where-is-allah&t=Where%20is%20Allah?%20Separate%20or%20Part%20of%20Creation?%20Above%20Heaven%20&%20Arsh?https://twitter.com/search?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.systemoflife.com%2Farticles%2Faqeedah%2F2000007-where-is-allahhttp://www.systemoflife.com/http://www.systemoflife.com/galleryhttp://www.systemoflife.com/learn-arabichttp://www.systemoflife.com/articles/aqeedah/2000007-where-is-allahhttp://www.systemoflife.com/component/search/?searchword=&ordering=newest&searchphrase=all&limit=20&areas[0]=content#axzz2DazdiWlAhttp://asmaur-rijaal.blogspot.com/http://www.systemoflife.com/http://www.systemoflife.com/dawahhttp://www.systemoflife.com/about-ushttp://www.systemoflife.com/islam-question-answershttp://www.systemoflife.com/fiqh


2/34

images/

a)Proofs from Quran.

Proof:-1

Allah says, '' The Most Gracious (Allh) rose over (Istaw) the (Mighty) Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty).[Al-Quran 20:5]Reference No -01 Soorah Taha(20) - Ayat-5Reference No -02: Soorah al-A'raaf (07) - Ayat- 54Reference No -03: Soorah al-Furqaan (25)- Ayat-59Reference No -04: Soorah ar-Ra'd (13) - Verse-2Reference No -05: Soorah Yoonus (10)- Verse-3Reference No -06: Soorah as-Sajdah (32) - Verse-4

Tafsir of above verses with Meaning of Istawa (Tafsir Ibn Kathir).

As for Allah's statement, ] [ (and then He rose over (Istawa) the Throne) the people had several conflicting opinions over its meaning. However, we follow thrighteous predecessors took in this regard, such as Malik, Al-Awzaì, Ath-Thawri, Al-Layth bin Sa`d, Ash Shafiì, Ahmad, Ishaq brest of the scholars of Islam, in past and present times.Surely, we accept the apparent meaning of, Al-Istawa, without discussing its true equating it (with the attributes of the creation), or altering or denying it (in any way or form). We also believe that the meaningwho equate Allah with the creation is to be rejected, for nothing is similar to Allah. Indeed, we assert and affirm what the Imams said, such as Nuàym bin Hammad Al-Khuza'i, the teacher of Imam Al-Bukhari, wh"Whoever likens Allah with His creation, will have committed Kufr. Whoever denies what Allah has described Himself with, will have com. Certainly,there is no resemblance (of Allah with the creation) in what Allah and His Messenger have described Him with. Whoever attests that the plain Ayat and authentic Hadiths have mentioned, in the manner that suits Allah's majesty, all the while rejecting all shorwill have taken the path of guidance.''

Note: Online Tafsir can be had fromhttp://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1242&Ite

Proof:-2Allah says, ''Do you feel secure that He(Allah), Who isfis-sama (in the heavens) , will not cause the earth to sin Or do you feel secure that He, Wh(in the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?"[Surah Mulk 67:16-17]

Comment:- Does it mean Allah is inside the Heaven? The Answer is No.! Allah is above the Heavens, for better understandverse let's analyze some more verses.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1242&Itemid=62


3/34

Allah says, And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.(Surah Baqrah Ayat-11)

''Those who break the covenant of Allah after ratifying it, and sever that which Allah ordered to be joined, and (who)make mischief in the earth:Those are they who are the losers.''(Surah Baqrah Ayat-27) [Pharaoh] said, "You believed him before I gave you permission. Indeed, he is your leader who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on

opposite sides, and I will crucify you 'fi' (on) the trunks of palm trees , and you will surely know which of us is more severe in [giving] punishment and mor[Al-Quran 20:71]

Comment: -The very Same Word" '' has been used in all the above verses does it mean we should not make mischief inside the answer is no it refers to surface of EarthNow, the 'fi' in the Last verse refers not to 'in' but to 'on' as one cannot within a trunk!.

Proof:-3Allah says,

''And when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself'."[Al-Quran 3:55]

Comment: -If Allah is Eveywhere then why particulary he taken Jesus up to the heaven???

Proof:-4Allah says ,''He(Allah) sends down the rain''(Al-Quran 14:32, 16:65, 22:5, 27:60)

Proof:-5Allah says ,''He(Allah) sent down the Qur'an''(Al-Quran 2:185, 12:2, 17:5, 20:2, 20:113, 25:6) Proof:-6Allah says,

"To Him(Allah) ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds lift them."[Al-Quran 35:10] Proof:-7Allah says , ''From Allah, the Lord of thePlaces of Ascent, the angels and the Ruh (Gabriel) ascend to Him in a day the measure whereof is of fiyears."[Al-Quran 70:3-4] Proof:-8Allah says,

"And He(Allah) is the Subduer,above His slaves , and He is the All-Wise, Well Acquainted with all things."[Al-Quran 6:18]

Comment :-The above very beautiful Verse is Sufficient to understand that Allah is above his Slaves.

Proof:-9Allah says,

''They fear their Lord above them , and they do what they are commanded.''(An-Nahl :50)

Comment:- It's Crystal clear from above Verse of Glorious Quran that Allah is above his Arsh.Let's analyze Ahadeeth.

b.Proof from Sunnah(Ahadeeth).


4/34

Proof:-10Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:The Prophet (pbuh) said: The Compassionate One(Rahman) has mercy on those who are merciful. If you show merare on the earth,He Who is in the heaven will show mercy to you .Musaddad did not say: The client of 'Adb Allah b. 'Amsaid: The Prophet (saw) said. - - " . " . Reference: Sunan Abi Dawud 4941; Abu-Dawud English translation: Book 41, Hadith 4923;Jami` at-Tirmidhi English reference: Vol. 4, Book 1, Hadith 1924;Jami` at-Tirmidhi Arabic reference: Book 23, Hadith 2049)) Proof:-11Narrated Anas bin Malik:The night Allah's Apostle was taken for a journey from the sacred mosque (of Mecca) Al-Ka`ba: Three persons cadreamy while he was sleeping in the Sacred Mosque before the Divine Inspiration was revealed to Him. One of ththem is he?" The middle (second) angel said, "He is the best of them." The last (third) angle said, "Take the best much happened on that night and he did not see them till they came on another night, i.e. after The Divine Inspirato him. (Fath-ul-Bari Page 258, Vol. 17) and he saw them, his eyes were asleep but his heart was not----and so is prophets: their eyes sleep while their hearts do not sleep. So those angels did not talk to him till they carried him beside the well of Zamzam. From among them Gabriel took charge of him. Gabriel cut open (the part of his bodyand the middle of his chest (heart) and took all the material out of his chest and `Abdomen and then washed it wwith his own hands till he cleansed the inside of his body, and then a gold tray containing a gold bowl full of belbrought and then Gabriel stuffed his chest and throat blood vessels with it and then closed it (the chest). He then to the heaven of the world and knocked on one of its doors. The dwellers of the Heaven asked, 'Who is it?' He sasaid, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They said, "Has he been called?" He said, "Yes" They welcomed." So the dwellers of the Heaven became pleased with his arrival, and they did not know what Allah wouProphet on earth unless Allah informed them. The Prophet met Adam over the nearest Heaven. Gabriel said to the your father; greet him." The Prophet greeted him and Adam returned his greeting and said, "Welcome, O my Son! son you are!" Behold, he saw two flowing rivers, while he was in the nearest sky. He asked, "What are these two Gabriel said, "These are the sources of the Nile and the Euphrates." Then Gabriel took him around that Heaven ananother river at the bank of which there was a palace built of pearls and emerald. He put his hand into the river alike musk Adhfar. He asked, "What is this, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "This is the Kauthar which your Lord has keGabriel ascended (with him) to the second Heaven and the angels asked the same questions as those on the first H"Who is it?" Gabriel replied, "Gabriel". They asked, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They asksent for?" He said, "Yes." Then they said, "He is welcomed.'' Then he (Gabriel) ascended with the Prophet to the tthe angels said the same as the angels of the first and the second Heavens had said. Then he ascended with him tHeaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the fifth Heaven and they said the same; and thwith him to the sixth Heaven and they said the same; then he ascended with him to the seventh Heaven and they each Heaven there were prophets whose names he had mentioned and of whom I remember Idris on the second Hethe fourth Heavens another prophet whose name I don't remember, on the fifth Heaven, Abraham on the sixth Heavon the seventh Heaven because of his privilege of talking to Allah directly. Moses said (to Allah), "O Lord! I thought thatnone would be raised up above me." But Gabriel ascended with him (the Prophet) for a distance above that, the distance of which only Allah knows , till he reached the Lote Tree (beyond which none may pass) and then the Irresistible, the Land Majesty approached and came closer till he (Gabriel) was about two bow lengths or (even) nearer. (It is said twho approached and came closer to the Prophet. (Fate Al-Bari Page 263, 264, Vol. 17). Among the things which Ahim then, was: "Fifty prayers were enjoined on his followers in a day and a night." Then the Prophet descended tiand then Moses stopped him and asked, "O Muhammad ! What did your Lord en join upon you?" The Prophet repupon me to perform fifty prayers in a day and a night." Moses said, "Your followers cannot do that; Go back so t

reduce it for you and for them." So the Prophet turned to Gabriel as if he wanted to consult him about that issue. his opinion, saying, "Yes, if you wish." So Gabriel ascended with him to the Irresistible and said while he was in please lighten our burden as my followers cannot do that." So Allah deducted for him ten prayers where upon he rwho stopped him again and kept on sending him back to his Lord till the enjoined prayers were reduced to only fMoses stopped him when the prayers had been reduced to five and said, "O Muhammad! By Allah, I tried to persuBani Israel to do less than this, but they could not do it and gave it up. However, your followers are weaker in bohearing, so return to your Lord so that He may lighten your burden." The Prophet turned towards Gabriel for advicnot disapprove of that. So he ascended with him for the fifth time. The Prophet said, "O Lord, my followers are whearts, hearing and constitution, so lighten our burden." On that the Irresistible said, "O Muhammad!" the Prophet rand Sa`daik." Allah said, "The Word that comes from Me does not change, so it will be as I enjoined on you in tBook." Allah added, "Every good deed will be rewarded as ten times so it is fifty (prayers) in the Mother of the Byou are to perform only five (in practice)." The Prophet returned to Moses who asked, "What have you done?" Helightened our burden: He has given us for every good deed a tenfold reward." Moses said, "By Allah! I tried to m


5/34


6/34


7/34


8/34


9/34


10/34

been born and a great man had died, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: (These meteorsneither at the death of anyone nor on the birth of anyone.Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, issues Command when He decides todo a thing. Then (the Angels) supporting the Throne sing His glory, then sing the dwellers of heaven who are near to themuntil this glory of God reaches them who are in the heaven of this world. Then those who are near the supporters of theThrone ask these supporters of the Throne: What your Lord has said? And they accordingly inform them what He says.Then the dwellers of heaven seek information from them until this information reaches the heaven of the world. In thisprocess of transmission (the jinn snatches) what he manages to overhear and he carries it to his friends. And whenthe jinn they attack them with meteors. If they narrate only which they manage to snatch that is correct but they amake additions to it. " " . " - - " . Sahih Muslim English reference: Book 26, Hadith 5538; Sahih Muslim Arabic reference: Book 40, Hadith 5955;Sunan Ibn Majah English reference: Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 194;Sunan Ibn Majah Arabic reference: Book 1, Hadith 199)) Proof:-26'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during his last illness) inquired:Where I would be tomorrow, where I would be tomorrow (thinking, that the turn of 'A'isha was not very near) andturn,Allah called him to his Heavenly Home and his head was between my neck and chest. " . " . . (Sahih Muslim English reference: Book 31, Hadith 5985; Sahih Muslim Arabic reference: Book 45, Hadith 6445) Proof:-27Sa'd b. Hisham b. 'Amir decided to participate in the expedition for the sake of Allah, so he came to Medina and dispose of his property there and buy arms and horses instead and fight against the Romans to the end of his life. Medina, he met the people of Medina. They dissuaded him to do such a thing, and informed him that a group of to do so during the lifetime of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and the Apostle of Allah (may peacforbade them to do it, and said:Is there not for you a model pattern in me? And when they narrated this to him (Sreturned to his wife, though he had divorced her and made (people) witness to his reconciliation. He then came to asked him about the Witr of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). Ibn 'Abbas said: Should I not leadknows best amongst the people of the world about the Witr of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? He (Ibn 'Abbas) said: It is 'A'isha. So go to her and ask her (about Witr) and then come to me and inform me abshe would give you. So I came to Hakim b. Aflah and requested him to take me to her. He said: I would not go her to speak anything (about the conflict) between the two groupS, but she refused (to accept my advice) and wentthat corflict). I (requested) him (Hakim) with an oath to lead me to her. So we went to 'A'isha and we begged perShe granted us permission and we went in. She said: Are you Hakim? (She recognised him.) He replied: Yes. She there with you? He said: He is Sa'd b. Hisham. She said: Which Hisham? He said: He is Hisham b. 'Amir. She blwith mercy from Allah and spoke good of him (Qatada said that he died as a martyr in Uhud). I said: Mother of about the character of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). She said: Don't you read the Qur'an? I sshe said: The character of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) was the Qur'an. He said: I felt inclined anything (further) till death. But then I changed my mind and said: Inform me about the observance (of the night pMessenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). She said: Did you not recite:" O thou wrapped up"? He said: Yes. Exalted and the Glorious, made the observance of the night prayer at the beginning of this Surah obligatory. So the(may peace be upon him and his Companions around him observed this (night prayer) for one year. Allah held back theconcluding portion of this Surah for twelve months in the Heaven till (at the end of this period) Allah revealed theconcluding verses of this Surah which lightened (the burden of this prayer), and the night prayer became a supererogatoryprayer after being an obligatory one. I said: Mother of the Faithful, inform me about the Witr of the Messenger of Abe upon him). She said: I used to prepare tooth stick for him and water for his ablution, and Allah would rouse hwished during the night. He would use the tooth stick, and perform ablution, and would offer nine rak'ahs, and woeighth one and would remember Allah, and praise Him and supplicate Him, then he would get up without uttering


11/34


12/34

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 392:Sahih Muslim Book-4 Hadith-1075;Jami` at-Tirmidhi English reference : Vol. 1, Book 2, Hadith 340;Jami` at-Tirmidhi Arabic reference : Book 2, Hadith 341)

Comment:- If Allah is everywhere then why Prophet(peace be upon him) Particularly turned his face towards the Heaven??

Proof:-30Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "When Allah has ordained some affair in the Heaven, the angels beat with their wings in obedience to His statement, which sounds like a chain dragged over a rock. " (Àli and other sub-narrators said,

sound reaches them.") "Until when fear is banished from their (angels) hearts, they (angels) say, 'What was it that They say, 'The truth; And He is the Most High, the Most Great.' (34.23) Then those who gain a hearing by stealinhear Allah's Statement:-- 'Those who gain a hearing by stealing, (stand one over the other like this). (Sufyan, to illthe fingers of his right hand and placed them one over the other horizontally.)A flame may overtake and burn the eavesdropper before conveying the news to the one below him; or it may not overtake him till he has conveyed it to the one below him,who in his turn, conveys it to the one below him, and so on till they convey the news to the earth. (Or probably Sufyan said,"Till the news reaches the earth.") Then the news is inspired to a sorcerer who would add a hundred lies to it. His pprove true (as far as the heavenly news is concerned). The people will say. 'Didn't he tell us that on such-and-suchsuch a thing will happen? We have found that is true because of the true news heard from heaven." " ". (Sahih Bukhari English reference: Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 223; Sahih Bukhari Arabic reference: Book 65, Hadith 4747) Proof:-31Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah's Apostle said, "Angels come to you in succession by night and day and all of them get together atthe time of the Fajr and Àsr prayers. Those who have passed the night with you (or stayed with you) ascend (to theHeaven) and Allah asks them, though He knows everything about you, well, "In what state did you leave my slavesreply: "When we left them they were praying and when we reached them, they were praying." " ". (Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 555; Sahih Bukhari English translation: Vol. 1, Book 10, Hadith 530)

Proof:-32Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Angels keep on descending from and ascending to the Heaven in turn, somsome by daytime, and all of them assemble together at the time of the Fajr and Àsr prayers.Then those who have stayed withyou over-night, ascent unto Allah Who asks them , and He knows the answer better than they, "How have you left MyThey reply, "We have left them praying as we found them praying." If anyone of you says "Amin" (during the Prarecitation of Surat-al-Faitiha), and the angels in Heaven say the same, and the two sayings coincide, all his past sinforgiven." " ." } { (Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 3223; Sahih Bukhari English translation: Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 446) Proof:-33 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying Allah has mobile (squads) of angels, whwork (to attend to but) to follow the assemblies of Dhikr and when they find such assemblies in which there is Dhin them and some of them surround the others with their wings till the space between them and the sky of the woand when they disperse (after the assembly of Dhikr is adjourned) they go upward to the heaven and Allah, the Exalted anGlorious, asks them although He is best informed about them:Where have you come from? They say: We come froupon the earth who had been glorifying Thee (reciting Subhan Allah), uttering Thine Greatness (saying Allah o-AkbThine Oneness (La ilaha ill Allah) and praising Thee (uttering al-Hamdu Lillah) and begging of Thee. Be would sabeg of Me? They would say: They beg of Thee the Paradise of Thine. He (God) would say: Have they seen My PNo, our Lord. He would say: (What it would be then) if they were to see Mine Paradise? They (the angels) said: protection. He (the Lord) would say: Against what do they seek protection of Mine? They (the angels) would say: Hell-Fire. He (the Lord) would say: Have they seen My Fire? They would say: No. He (the Lord) would say: Whawere to see My Fire? They would say: They beg of Thee forgiveness. He would say: I grant pardon to them, and what they ask for and grant them protection against which they seek protection. They (the angels) would again say


13/34

is one amongst them such and such simple servant who happened to pass by (that assembly) and sat there along whad been participating in that assembly). He (the Lord) would say: I also grant him pardon, for they are a people whom are in no way unfortunate. " - - . . . . . - - . - - (Sahih Muslim English reference: Book 35, Hadith 6505; Sahih Muslim Arabic reference: Book 49, Hadith 7015)

Comment:- If Allah is everywhere then why particularly the Angels ascend to Heaven??

Proof:-34Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) said,"Our Lord, the Blessed, the Superior, comes every night down on thenearest Heaven to us when the last third of the night remains , saying: "Is there anyone to invoke Me, so that I may reinvocation? Is there anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him his request? Is there anyone seeking My forgivene

forgive him?" " ." Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 1145; Sahih Bukhari English translation: Vol. 2, Book 21, Hadith 246;Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 246: Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 333)

Comment:- for detailed explanation visit the followingLinks: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20081/descend; http://islamqa.com/en/ref/12290/descend;;;http://islamqa.com/en/ref/13491/descend .

Proof:-35Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said,"If Allah loves a person, He calls Gabriel saying, 'Allah loves so and-so; O Gabriel!Love him.' Gabriel would love him and make an announcement amongst the inhabitants of the Heaven. 'Allah loves so-anso, therefore you should love him also,' and so all the inhabitants of the Heaven would love him, and then he is gof the people on the earth."

" . . . ". (Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 3209; Sahih Bukhari English translation: Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 431 Proof:-36Ibn 'Abbas reported that when Abu Dharr heard of the advent of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) in Mecca hBrother, ride in this valley andbring information for me about the person who claims that there comes to him informationfrom the Heavens. Listen to his words and then come to me. So he rode on until he came to Mecca and he heard sacred words of the Holy Prophet) and then came back to Abu Dharr and said: I have seen him exhorting (people)morals and his expressions can in no way be termed as poetry. He (Abu Dharr) said: I have not been satisfied witwhich I had in my mind (as I sent you). So he took up provisions for the journey and a small water-skin con- taiforth) until he came to Mecca. He came to the mosque (Ka'ba) and began to find out Allah's Apostle (may peace he did not re- cognise him (the Holy Prophet) and he did not even like that he should ask about him from anyoneand he slept. 'All saw him and found him to be a stranger. So he went with him. He followed hive but one did nfrom the other about anything until it was morning. He then brought the water and his provisions to the mosque athere, but he did not see Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) until it was night. He then returned to his bed to pass 'Ali and he said: This man has not been able to find his destination until this time. He made him stand anand no one made an in- quiry from his companion about anything. And when it was the third day he did the samstand up and brought him along with him. He said: By Him, besides Whom there is no god, why don't you tell mbrought you here to this town? He said: (I shall do this) provided you hold me promise and a covenant that you w


14/34


15/34

References -- (463 - (70 - (101-102 ((62 - (33 - (56-57 ((1242 244 - . ((119 - Proof:-382. Umar ibn khattab (r.a)

: " ". Translation- woe unto kings on earth from the emperorwho is in the heaven on the day they meet References -- (462 - ( (104) - (120 - ((63 -

: " " : " } ". { Translation- woe unto you, do you know who is she? She is the woman Allah heard her complaint from above the seven hea,she is Khawlah for whom Allah revealed {certainly Allah has heard the speech of the one who argues with you cohusband}References-(7/245 - ((395-2/394 774-773 - (- (274 - (886 - (2/322 (- (4/291 (72 - (102-103 ((63 - ((61-8/60 - ((121-120 - Proof:-393. Abdullah ibn masud (r.a) : " ". Translation- Between the end of heaven and the chair is five hundred years, and between the chair and the water ithrone is above the water and Allah is above the throneReferences -(3/395-396 659 - (751 - (2/186-187 (- (275 - ((1/242-243 149 - ((9/228 - ((7/139 - ((104-105 75 - ((64 - ((2/210 - (122) (1/86 -(

: : Translation- Allah looks at him from above the seven heavens, and says to angels: act on him, he has facilitated his entry References-- 274- 275 - ( - ((4/668 1219 - ((64 - () (2/210 - : (

Proof:-404. Abu Huraira (r.a)


16/34

: " ". Translation- and Allah will come down in shadows of the cloudsfrom the throne to the chair(Kursi).References -(65 - ((2/205 - (29 6 - (90 Proof:-415. Abdullah ibn Abbas (r.a)

". : " Translation- Contemplate about everything but never contemplate about zaat of Allah, between the earth to the chaithousand nur, andHE is above that subhanhu wa Taala.References -16 - ( ((2/173 - ((1/212 - (887 - (2/323 ((107-106 - ((123 - ((13/383 - ((159 - ((1/132 - ((3/292 -

". : : " Translation- Said a noble woman to Yousuf: I have much pearls and sapphire, I am giving you those so that you syour masterwho is in the heaven.References -(96 97 - ((88 - ((250 - Proof:-426. Umm Salamah (r.a)". : " Translation- Umm Salama, wife of the Prophet (s.a.w) said: The istawa (Allah rising above throne) is not unknowincomprehensible, and agreeing with it is imaan wajib, and disagreeing with it is disbelief (kufr)References-120 - (3/162-163 (887 - (3/302-303 ((3/397 663 - (51) (150/-- (1/71 ((179 - (16 - (42-43 (82 - (109 ((13/406 -

Proof:-437. Anas ibn Malik (r.a) ] [ : " . : Translation- Anas reported that after the death of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) Abu Bakr said to 'UUmm Aiman as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to visit her. As we came to her, she wept. TheyUmar) said to her: What makes you weep? What is in store (in the next world) for Allah's-Messenger (may peace better than (this worldly life). She said: I weep not because I am ignorant of the fact that what is in store for Allapeace be upon him) (in the next world) is better than (this world), but I weep because the revelation which came has ceased to come. This moved both of them to tears and they began to weep along with her.References -(7/144 145 - ((65 -


17/34

Proofs from Tabieen-Proof:-441. Imam Abu hanifa (150 AH) : " : :

/ : ." : } { : Translation- She said: you are the person, who teaches people about masail, people have left your religion, where i

you worship? He remained silent on her, then he stayed seven days without replying to her, then he went out to uwriting that Allah is in the heaven not on earth, so a man said to him: havent you seen the words of Allah Taala {and hyou}. He (Abu hanifa) said: ''This is like you are writing a letter to someone and saying 'i am with you' while in realithim.''References-(2/383 - ((101 - ((138-137 - ((1/291 - ] : [ ] : : " [ : . } { : } { ".

Translation- I asked Imam Abu Hanifa about a person who says, 'I do not know whether my lord is, above the heavens or he (Abu Hanifa) said: 'A person who makes such a statement becomes an apostate because Allah Taala says, {The Mercifulascended above the throne}, and the throne of Allah is above seven heavens'. I further asked, 'What if such a persabove His throne, but does not know whether the throne is in the heavens or on earth'.He (Abu Hanifa) said: 'If he denies thathe heavens, he is an apostate.References-- (49) (17 - ((5/48 - ((139 - ((2/213 - ((323-322 - ((1/356 - ((7/115 - ((449-444 - : " : : ". Translation- Abu Hanifa said: who denies that Allah is in the heaven has disbelieved.References-(117-116 - ((102-101 - (38 - (59 ((1/357 -

Proof:-452. Abu Yusuf, companion of Abu hanifa (182 AH) . Translation- He asked people to repent when they denied that Allah is above the heavenReferences-(526-2/525 - ((5/45 - ((112 - ((222 - Proof:-463. Imam Maalik bin Anas (179 AH) : " : ." " "


18/34

Translation- Maalik bin Anas said: Allah is in heaven and his knowledge is in every placeReferences-532 - 11 1/280 (1/106-107 (653-652 - (3/1076-1077 (-) (3/153 110 - (- (893 - (3/307 ((3/401 - ((7/138 - ((2/43 - ((5/53 - (

(8/101 - (103) (2/213 -( : { } { : : " ". ] [ } .Translation- we were with maalik, entered a man and said: Ya Abu Abdullah {The Merciful has ascended above thascended? Maalik remained silent and helped him wash sweat, then he lifted his head and said: {The Merciful has the throne} it is just as HE described himself, and HE did not say how? And how is unknown, you are a person(innovation).References-866 - (2/304-305 ((56 - ((407-13/406 - ((7/138 - ((2/39 - ((52-51 - ((181-180 - (104 - (55-56 ((123 - (664 - (3/398 (88 - (172 Proof:-474. Al Hasan Al Basri (110 AH) " : .. " " Translation- Narrated Al Hasan Al basri, said he heard Yunus (a.s) praised pebbles and whales and started to swimhis supplications:My lord your home is in the heaven, and your power is over the earthReferences-59 - (96 ((56-55 - : ." Translation- Not anything is closer to your lord than Israfeel, and between HIM and him there are seven veils, evehundred years, and he (Israfeel) is beneath those veils, his feet are on the edges of the earth and his head is belowReferences-278 - (2/686-687 (85 - (111-112 ((1/18 - (93 -( Proof:-485. Masruq Ibn Al-Ajda Al- Hamdani (62 AH) ". : " Translation- It is proven about Masruq that whenever he narrated from Ayesha (r.a), he said : Narrated to me Al of Al Siddiq, habeebah of habeeb Allah,the one who was declared innocent from above the seven heavens.References-(8/66 - (1886 - (5/2404 (- (2/44) 83 - (110 (


19/34

- : " (92) "259 - (127 Proof:-496. Salem Bin Abi Jaad (97 AH approx) : " } { ." 3 . Translation- Salem bin abi jaad {indeed your lord is ever watchful (89:14)} said: Beyond Al-Sirat (the narrow paare three bridges, at bridge over it is faithfulness, and at the bridge over it is kindness and atthe bridge over it is lord almighty.

References-- 914 (2/344-345 ((2/523 - (- : " (96) "(131 - Proof:-507. Ikramah bin Abdullah, freed slave of Ibn Abbas (106 AH) : : : ". : : Translation- It was narrated that Ikrimah said: while a man was in heaven, he said to himself: "I wish Allah had gto grow things, before he knew angels were at his door and they said: "Peace be upon you, Your lord says to yowhat you have wished for yourself, He has sent seeds with us. The man says: "Disseminate!, and grows things ofmountain.Lord says to him from above the throne: "Son of Adam is never satisfied".References-(3/334 - (84 - (110-111 ((96 - Proof:-518. Mujahid bin Jabr Al Mekki (104 AH) : }. : { ."". " Translation- About saying of the exalted {came after them an evil generation (19:59)}, Mujahid said: In this umm

just like cattles are spread in the road and men will not be ashamed on earth nor will they fear Allah in the heaven.References-(16/75 - ((387 - ((256 -

Proof:-529. Qatada bin diamah Al Sudusi (113 AH approx) : : ( ( " " Translation- Qatada said: Children of Israel said,O Lord, you are in the heaven and we on earth, so how is it possible for us tyour satisfaction and your anger? HE said: When I am satisfied with you I use your good deeds on you, and whyour sins on you.References-(276 (337 -( (- : " (96) "(256 - Proof:-5310. Thabit bin Aslam Al Banani (123 AH approx) : : " Translation- Albanani said: Dawud(a.s) elongated his supplication , then ruku, then he raised his head towards sky my head towards you who lives in heaven, look at the slaves headed towards youO who dwells in heaven.References-(3/400 669 (


20/34

(111 - (58 - (95-96 (96 - - (55 ((268 - Proof:-5411. Maalik bin Dinar Al-Basri (127 AH) " " Translation- Maalik bin dinar used to say: Take (Quran) and read, then he said Listen to the sayings of the truthwho is above

the throneReferences-(2/358 (86 - (97 ((97 - (109 - (131 Proof:-5512. Al Zahak bin Mazahim (After 100 AH) ". : . } : { Translation- Narrated about Al zahak, about the verse: {there is in no private conversation three but that He is the (58:7)}. He said: HE is above the throne and HIS knowledge is with them wherever they are.References -(10/277 ((71 - ((263 - (655 - (3/1079 (28/12-13) (670 - (3/400 ((1/252 - (909 - (2/341-342 ((113 - ((126 - ((99-98 - - (257 - (131 Proof:-5613. Suleiman bin Al- Taymi (143 AH)". : Translation- I heard Suleiman Al-Taymi saying: If anyone asks where is Allah? Say he is in the heaven.References-(3/401 671 ((11 - (91 - (114 (114 - (133 : ." Translation- He used to say: "I send up to you praises, and ascend toward you dignified dedication, glory on you hin your hands are the kings and the kingdoms, and the keys and the destinies".References-107 (1/397 -( : " (93) "- ". :" (269) Proof:-5714. Obain bin Amir Al-Laiyhi (68 AH) : : ." 5 ." " (44/) Translation- Obaid bin amir said:The Almighty lord descends to the nearest heaven during the midnight and says: "whoever asksforgiveness from me I will forgive him", until fajr then the almighty lord ascendsReferences-(1/272 507 (


21/34

(259 - ((93 - Proof:-5815. Wahab bin manba Al-Yamani (113 AH Approx) : ". } { ]. [ . ] [

Translation- Wahab bin Manba said: I found in torah, there was Allah and nothing before him, and it didnt say hwhere. First thing he created among group of things, he said BE [and it is]. The chair, then rose above the thronwanted,then HE said {the merciful rose over the throne} and the how is unknown, answering it is biddah and questioninburdening oneself.References-(2/705-708 294 ((95 - Proof:-5916. Jarir bin Atyah Al- Khatfi (110 AH) : [ (44/) : [". " [] Translation- Narrated Jarir bin khatfi that Abd Al-Malik said: what brought you here O Jarir? And he said in anoBrought you to me Allah who is above his throne and noor of islam is proof on it.References-(98 ((2/211 - Proof:-6017a. Abu Isa Yahya bin Rafia Al- Thaqafi: " " : ." Translation- Abi Isa (r.a) said: An angel went into prostration when the lord ascended over the throne. He didnt raise is head wraise it until the hour, and he will say on the day of judgment: I didnt worship you as much as YOU deserve.References-516 (2/639 254 (224 - (75 ((95 - ((261 - ((3/96 - Proof:-6118. Rabia bin Abi Abl AL-Rehman (136 AH) : : Translation- It is proven that Sufyan bin Ayyan said: when Rabia bin abi abd al-rehman was questioned how Allahthrone? He said: Istiwa is not unknown, and its how in not understandable, from Allah is the message, and upon to convey and upon us is to believe.References-121 -(3/163-164 - ((3/398 665 - 868 -( (2/306 (90 - (114 ((5/40 - ((98 - ((132111 - ((3/91 - Proof:-6219. Abbas Al-Qammi : : ." " " Translation- Abbas Al-Qammi said: It reached me that Dawud (a.s) used to say in his supplications: "Glory to you my lord, you


22/34

exalted above your throne, and you created your fear on who are in the skies and on earth".References-20 ( ((1/97 - ((262-261 - ((2/211 - ((5/250 - Proof:-6320.Ayyub bin Abi Tamima As-Sakhtayani (131 AH)

: ." " ." - . (45/)

Translation- I heard Ayyub as-sakhtayani said about Muatazillah: The thing on which they revolve is that they say tone over the heavens.

Imam Dhahabi-

This statement is from the sayings of tabieen, and the first one to refuse that Allah Ta'ala is above the throne was and he denied every attribute of Allah Ta'ala, hearing, seeing, speech, hand, face and so forth. Khalid bin Abd-Allahim, this is a famous story.And took this concept Al-Jahm bin safwan Imam of jahmiyya and accepted them and sobjection with it, first he said that Allah Ta'ala Istawala Al-Arsh (rose over the throne) is by meaning Istawla (tookthrone). And it was the end of the era of tabieen, rejected this concept Imams of the era like Al-Awzai, Abi haneebin sa'ad, Al-thauri, Himad bin zaid, hamid bin salmah, Ibn Al Mubarak and after them from Imams on the guidan Al Arsh (2/219-221)References-(98

Proof:-6421. Abd Ar-Rahman bin Amr Al- Awzai (157 AH) : " : ." " " Translation- Said Al Awazai, Imam of the people of sham (Syria): we and all the remaining tabieens said: Indeed Allah is abovethrone, and we believe in whatever arrived in sunnah from HIS attributes.References-865 (2/304 ((229 - (- (5/39) (121-7/120 8/402 - ((102 - (- (131 135) (13/406 - ". : " } { : Translation- Al Awzai was asked about HIS saying {then I rose over the throne}? He replied: HE is over the throne just like Hdescribes himself.References-(102 Proof:-653. Imam Maalik bin Anas (179 AH) ". : " . Translation-Istiwa is not unknown, and its how is non comprehensible, believing on it is wajib and questioning about


23/34

References-867 (2/305-306 ((104 - Proof:-6622. Sufyan Al-Thauri (161 AH) : } { : " ." : " ." Translation- Madan said: I asked Sufyan Al-Thauri about HIS saying{and HE is with you wherever you are (57:4)}. He rep

knowledge.References-(8 ((1/306-307 597 - (654 - (3/1078 (- (3/154-155 111 - - ((3/401 672 - (908 - (2/341 ((7/139) (7/142 - (89 - (113 94) (115-116 ((7/274 - 46) (63-64 (103) Proof:-6723. Hammad bin Zaid Al-Azdi (179 AH) ". : " Translation- Hammad bin zaid said: They only go around the saying that God is not in the heaven. (Meaning JahReferences- (119 - ((1/117-118 41 - (1781 - (5/127 1695 1696) (5/91 (148 - 329) (3/194 ) (2/95 ( (102 - (118 (- : " (5/52) "(107-106 - (1/229) ((136 - (- " (147): "

Proof:-6824. Muqatil bin Hayan (before 150 AH) :" } { ." (47/) Translation- Muqatil bin hayan said about saying of the exalted{there is in no private conversation three but that He is thethem (58:7)}: HE is over the throne and HIS knowledge is with them.References-592 (1/304 ((28/12 - (655 - (3/1078-1079 (109 - -) (3/152-153 (- -(670 - (3/400 (909 - (2/341-342 ((1/253 - 103 -( (118 (47 - (64 (102) ((131) -

Proof:-695. Abdullah ibn Al-Mubarak (181 AH) : : " ." : " " " ." : " " " " Translation- Shaikh Bukhari said: I asked Abd-Allah ibn Mubarak, how we know our lord? He said: In the sevent


24/34

throne. And he spoke Over the seventh heaven over his throne, andwe dont say like jahmiyyah say that he is here on earth(Reference .When it was said to Ahmad bin Hanbal he said: this is what we believe (Reference 2) .

Commentary of Imam Dhahabi-

This is sahih and proven about Ibn Al Mubarak and Ahmad (r.a both). And his saying in the heaven in the last narration prove to you that that he meant from his saying in the heav

heaven, like in the other sahih narration he wrote to Yahya ibn Mansoor al-FaqihKitab Al-Arsh (2/240)Reference 1-(8 ((50 - (103) ((1/11122) (1/174-175 216 - ((3/155-156 112 - (899 - (3/308 (28 - (20 (903 - (2/336 ((7/142 - (100 99 - (118-117 ((6/264 - (

(8/402 - (110) -( (134-135) Reference 2-(1/267 . ((117 - (- (2/34) (5/52)

: "(47/) " " ". : . Translation- Narrated Abu Abr Ar-Rahman Abdullah ibn Hanbal in the book Ar-rad ala al-jahamiyyah: Narrated tIbrahim Al-Daurqi, narrated to to us Ali bin Aal-Hussain bin Shaqiq, I asked to Ibn al Mubarak:How must we know where our is? He said: Over the seven heavens, over his throne and we dont say like jahmiyah say that he is here on eart.References-(1/111 22 ((110 - (- (8/402-403)

Proof:-70 : : " ".

Translation- Narrated Abdullah ibn ahmad also in Ar-rad ala al-jahamiyyah with chain to Abdullah bin Al-Mubarato him: O Aba Abd Ar-Rahman , I fear Allah from lot of things what the jhamiyyas invite to. He replied: Dont fearwho claim that your god who is in the heaven in not anything. References-(1/110 18 (149 - - (3/195 - 328) ) (2/95 ( ((5/184 - ((8/403 - (11) (- (135) Proof:-7124.Muqatil bin Hayan (150 AH) } { - - : " ." (48/) Translation- Muqatil bin hayan said: We have understood, and Allah knows best, in HIS saying {HE is the First a


25/34

Ascendant (57:3)} HE is (Al-Awaal) before anything, (Al-Akhir) after everything, (Al-Zahir) distinct above everythin(Al-Batin) closthat everything. And it means nearness by HIS knowledge and capacity and HE is above HIS throne and HE has keverything.References-910 (2/342 ((103-102 - ((130 - (- (118-119) Proof:-72

26. Jarir bin Abd Al-hamid Al-zabbi (188 AH) : " ." " " Translation- Jabir bin Abd Al-Hamid said: speech of the jahamiyyah is initially honey and in the end poison, and indeed they onlyto say that god is not in the heaven.References-(110 (41 - (60 ((220 - (- (65-66) Proof:-7327. Muhammad bin Ishaq (150 AH) : : : * - - : " : " " ." ] [ ] [ : " " . .)* (2/41 . Translation- Muhammad bin Ishaq said: "Allah sent an angel from Angels to Bakhtansir*, He(Angel) said: "Oh eneknow how much (distance) between the heaven to the earth?He (Bakhtansir) replied: "No". So, he (angel) said to earth to the sky of the world distance is five hundred years and its thickness is same to that". And he mentions thmention of carrying of the throne and then says: " And above it begins the throne, over which is the almighty king of the . Oenemy of Allah, are you looking forward to that?" Then Allah sent a mosquito and killed him". Bakhtansir, a Babylonian who sabotaged Jerusalem after Moses (peace be upon him) during time of the Prophet Jerthe prophets of Bani Israel. Read about it in Al-Bidayah wa An-Nihayah (2 / 41 and after it).References-571 (3/1054-1055 ((108 - (- (262) Proof:-7428. Hammad bin Salamah (167 AH) : " " " ."". " Translation- Hammad bin Salamah narrated to us hadith Descends Allah to the lowest heaven and said: whoeverrejecting this, indict him.References-(110 ( 55) - (70 (7/451)-

Proof:-7529. Muhammad Al-Hasan As-Shaibani (189 AH) : " " " ." Translation- Said Muhammad bin Hasan about hadith which mentions Allah descends to the lowest heaven, and ahadith is narrated by trustworthy, then we also narrate it and believe in it and not interpret it.References-741 (3/433 (98 - (117 (56 - (70 (113) (


26/34

- (223) (48/) : " ". Translation- Narrated Abdullah bin Abi Hanifah Al Dabusi that he heard Muhammad ibn Al Hasan says: All scholars from east towest agree on, belief in Quran and hadith that is proven from Rasool Allah (s.a.w), in attributes of the lord almighinterpretation, without describing it and without taking it as metaphor . And whoever describes a thing from that (attributes) gfrom what Prophet (s.a.w) was on. And he detaches himself from the Jamah of those who dont describe and dontbelieve with what is in the book (Quran) and sunnah and then keep silent. And who believe in saying of jahm det

the jamah because he (Al-Jahm) denied the attributes of Allah.References-740 (3/432-433 (217 - (109-110 (98 - (117 ( (5/50 - (4/4-5) ((113 - - ((222 - ((13/407 - (- (3/13) Proof:-7630. Al-Waleed bin Muslim Al-Quraishi (194 AH) : : " ." Translation- Waleed bin Muslim said: I asked Al-Awzai, Maalik bin Anas, Sufyan Al-Thauri and Al-laith bin Saadhaving in it attributes? They replied: Pass it as it is without asking how.References-313 (1/259 (720 - (3/1146 (67 - (44 (183 - ) (3/241-242 ( (894 - (3/307 ((930 - (90 - (70 (16 - (1/47 ((3/2 - (118) (2/377) ((7/149 158 - ((104 105 - (- 326) (206 Proof:-7732. Abd Ar-Rahman bin Mahdi Al-Anbari (198 AH) : (49/) " ."". : : " Translation- Abd Ar-rahman bin Mahdi said: Al Jahamiyyah wanted to refute that Allah spoke to Moosa and that HE is throne. We were of the opinion to ask them to repent so that they repent otherwise beat on their necks (Behead th.References-(17 (48 - (1/121 (327 - ) (2/94-95 ( (9/7-8 -( ((1/546 608 - (- (6/261-262) (118 - (- (214-215) Proof:-7833. Khalid bin Sulaiman Al-Balkhi (199 AH) : " - - : . : [] : " ". ."


27/34

Translation- Khalid bin Sulaiman said: Jahm was on crossing of termez (A city in Afghanistan) and he had a eloqdidnt had any knowledge neither did he sat with people of knowledge. He spoke to a group of Buddhists and theyDescribe to us lord whom you worship. He entered the house and didnt come out, and then he came out after dayHeis this air with everything and inside everything and nothing is devoid of him. Abu Muadh said: Enemy of Allahthe heaven over the throne just like HE described HIMSELF.References- (65-66- (904 - - (2/337 ((224 - (- 317) ) (2/76-79 (

Proof:-79Imam Ahmad ibn hanbal Al-Shaibani (241AH) : ] [ : " }. : { : } ] (): { [ } ."{ ". " Translation- Abu Talib narrated that he asked Ahmad bin Hanbal about a man who said that Allah is with us and {There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)}. Imam Ah Hisspeech is like jahamiyyah, they take last part of the verse and leave the first part, you should have recited to themconsidered that Allah knows (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)}, this means HIS knowledge is with them. And HE said {his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein (Surah Qaf, verse 16)} , this means HIS them.References-116 ) (3/159-160 ( (286 (2/289 (49 (64-65 (130) ((201-200 (49 (64-65 : " . } : { : : : " " } : { : ". ." Translation- Mirwazi narrated that he asked Abu Abdullah Ahmad bin Hanbal that a man said: I say just like Allano private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)},I believe in this and wbehind for anything else. Abu Abdullah said: this is a saying of jahamiyyah he asked him: How can we say th{There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)}, HIS knowledge is at everplace and HIS knowledge is with them. Then he said: The initial part of the verse proves this.References-117 ) (3/160-161 ( ((130 ((201

" " : }. (57/) } { { : : " ."". " Translation- Hanbal said: I asked Abu Abdullah what is the meaning of (HE is with them} and {There is in no pthree but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)},? He answered: HIS knowledge encompasses EVERYTHIand our lord is above the throne without any limit and without any description. References-675 (3/402 (95 (116 50( (65 (130) ( (200) (5/496 : : : " ." Translation- Narrated Yusuf ibn musa AL-Qatani: It was asked to Abu Abdullah, is Allah above the seven heavens over irrevocable from HIS creation and HIS knowledge and power is at every place? He replied in the affirmative.References-) (3/159 115 ( (674 (3/401-402 ((1/421 (


28/34

96 (116 ((130 ((200

: " : 3 : } : { . (57/) : ] } { ] } { . : { } }, { } { ." " " " "

Translation- Narrated Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (May Allah have mercy on him) in the book "Ar Radd Ala Al Jahcompiled and transmitted by his son Abdullah, in the chapter "Refuting the jahamiyyahs on the denial of Allah beithronePg 92-93:I asked them "You deny that Allah is above his throne then why did HE say {The merciful rose over the throne (5)}? They said: " HE is below the seventh earth just like HE is above the throne and HE is in the heavens and TI replied: "Muslims know of many places being where is against the greatness of Allah, Like your bodies and yourand brothels, being in such places is against the great stature of Allah. And the almighty has informed us through HE is in the heaven, {Do you feel secure that He who [holds authority] in the heaven would not cause the earth tsuddenly it would sway? Or do you feel secure that He who [holds authority] in the heaven would not send againsstones? (Surah Mulk, verse 17-17)}, {To Him ascends good speech, and righteous work raises it. (Surah Fatir, versewill take you and raise you to Myself (Surah Aal e Imran,verse 55)}, {Allah raised him to Himself (Surah An Ninfear their Lord above them (Surah An-Nahl, verse 50)}. The glorified has informed us that HE is in the heaven".References- (92-93 - ((202-201

d)Some objections by Sufis(Barelwis) that Allah is every where.

Some Sufis(Barelwis) usually Quotes the following Verses . a)Allah says,"And He is with you wheresover you are.''(Al-Quran 57:4) b)Allah says, "There is no secret discourse(najwa) of three people except that he is the fourth..WITH them..(Al-Quran 58:7)c)Allah says,''And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to hivein''(Surah Qaf 50:16)d)Allah says,And He is Allah , [the only deity] in the heavens and the earth. He knows your secret and what you make public, and He knows that w(Surah Al-

Anaam 6:3) Explanation of 57:4 (Tafsir Ibn Kathir):meaning, He is watching over you and witnessing your deeds wherever you may be, on land or at sea, during the home or in open areas or deserts. All of that is the same before His knowledge and all of it is under His sight and h. He hearyour speech and sees where you are. He knows your secrets and your public statements, Explanation of 58:7(Tafsir Ibn Kathir):meaning, He is watching them, perfectly hearing their speech, whether uttered in public or secret. His angels recordeven though He has better knowledge of it and hears them perfectly, as Allah said Know they not that Allah knowand their Najwa, and that Allah is the All-Knower of the unseen.) (9:78),(Or do they think that We hear not their private Najwa And Our messengers are by them to record.) (43:80) For this reason, there is a consensus among the scholars tthis "with'' in 58:7 refers to Allah's knowledge. There is no doubt that this meaning is true, especially if we add to it the

His hearing encompasses all things, as well as His sight. He, the Exalted and Most Honored, is never lacking in kaffairs.

Note:-Online Tafsir can be had from http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1626&Itemid=114

Explanation of 50:16(Tafsir Ibn Kathir):The statement of Allah the Exalted, (And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.)means, His angels are nearer to man than his jugular vein. Those who explaine`We' in the Ayah to mean `Our knowledge,' have done so to avoid falling into the idea of incarnation or indwellingcreeds are false according to the consensus of Muslims. Allah is praised and glorified, He is far hallowed beyond w
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1626&Itemid=114


29/34

to Him. The words of this Ayah do not need this explanation (that `We' refers to `Allah's knowledge'), for Allah dcloser to him than his jugular vein.' Rather, He said, (And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein. ) just as He said in the case of dying persons, (But We are nearer to him than you, but you see not.) (56:85), in reference to His angels (who take the souls). AlBlessed said, (Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it.) (15:9) Therefore, the angels brrevelation, the Qur'an, by the leave of Allah, the Exalted, the Most Honored. Thus, the angels are closer to man th

vein, by the power and leave of Allah.Note:-Online Tafsir can be had from http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1730&Itemid=106

Explanation of 6:3(Tafsir Ibn Kathir): (And He is Allah in the heavens and the earth, He knows what you conceal and what you reveal, and He knows wMeaning, it is He Who is called Allah, throughout the heavens and the earth, that is, it is He who is worshipped, divinity is believed in by the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth. They call Him Allah, and they supplicate tohope, except those who disbelieve among the Jinns and mankind. In another Ayah, Allah said; (It is He Who is God in the heavens and the earth.)43:84 meaning, He is the God of those in heaven and those on earth, and He knows all affairs, public an (And He knows what you earn) all the good and bad deeds that you perform.

Comment:- Online Tafsir can be had from http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1023&Itemid=61

Allah says,''It is Allaah Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e., seven). His Commanbetween them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allaah has power over all things, and that Allaah surrounds(comprehends) all things in (His) Knowledge.[Surah al-Talaaq 65:12]

Comments:- It's proven from above Ayat Allah has comprehended everything in his knowledge....Let's analysof Salaf.

Proof:-80Imam Maliks View : " : ." " " Translation- Maalik bin Anas said: Allah is in heaven and his knowledge is in every placeReferences-532 - 11 1/280 (1/106-107 (653-652 - (3/1076-1077 (-) (3/153 110 - (- (- 893

3/307)

)(3/401 - ((7/138 - ((2/43 - ((5/53 - ((8/101 - (103) ((2/213 - Proof:-81Imam Ahmad ibn hanbal Al-Shaibani (241AH): ] [ : " }. : { : } ] (): { [ } ."{ ". " Translation- Abu Talib narrated that he asked Ahmad bin Hanbal about a man who said that Allah is with us and
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1023&Itemid=61http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1730&Itemid=106


30/34

{There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them'' (Surah Mujadilah, verse-7).Imam Ahmad replied: Hspeech is like jahamiyyah, they take last part of the verse and leave the first part, you should have recited to themconsidered that Allah knows (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)}, this means HIS knowledge is with them. And HE said {his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein (Surah Qaf, verse 16)} , this means HIS them.References-116 ) (3/159-160 ( (286 (2/289 (49 (64-65 (130) ((201-200 (

49 (64-65 : " . } : { : : : " " } : { : ". ." Translation- Mirwazi narrated that he asked Abu Abdullah Ahmad bin Hanbal that a man said: I say just like Allano private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)},I believe in this and wbehind for anything else.Abu Abdullah said: this is a saying of jahamiyyah he asked him: How can we say this? H{There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)}, HIS knowplace and HIS knowledge is with them. Then he said: The initial part of the verse proves this.References-117 ) (3/160-161 ( ((130 ((201

" " : }. (57/) } { { : : " ."". " Translation- Hanbal said: I asked Abu Abdullah what is the meaning of (HE is with them} and {There is in no pthree but that He is the fourth of them (Surah Mujadilah, verse 7)},?He answered: HIS knowledge encompasses EVERYTHIand our lord is above the throne without any limit and without any description.References-675 (3/402 (95 (116 (50 (65 (130) ( (200) (5/496 : : : " ." Translation- Narrated Yusuf ibn musa AL-Qatani: It was asked to Abu Abdullah, is Allah above the seven heavens over HIS thirrevocable from HIS creation and HIS knowledge and power is at every place? He replied in the affirmative. References-) (3/159 115 ( (674 (3/401-402 ((1/421 (96 (116 ((130 ((200

: " : 3 : } : { . (57/) : ] } { ] } { . : { } }, { } { ." " " " " Translation- Narrated Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (May Allah have mercy on him) in the book "Ar Radd Ala Al Jahcompiled and transmitted by his son Abdullah, in the chapter "Refuting the jahamiyyahs on the denial of Allah beithronePg 92-93:I asked them "You deny that Allah is above his throne then why did HE say {The merciful rose over the throne (5)}? They said: " HE is below the seventh earth just like HE is above the throne and HE is in the heavens and TI replied: "Muslims know of many places being where is against the greatness of Allah, Like your bodies and yourand brothels, being in such places is against the great stature of Allah. And the almighty has informed us through


31/34

HE is in the heaven, {Do you feel secure that He who [holds authority] in the heaven would not cause the earth tsuddenly it would sway? Or do you feel secure that He who [holds authority] in the heaven would not send againsstones? (Surah Mulk, verse 17-17)}, {To Him ascends good speech, and righteous work raises it. (Surah Fatir, versewill take you and raise you to Myself (Surah Aal e Imran,verse 55)}, {Allah raised him to Himself (Surah An Ninfear their Lord above them (Surah An-Nahl, verse 50)}. The glorified has informed us that HE is in the heaven".References- (92-93 - ((202-201 Proof:-82

Sufyan Al-Thauri (161 AH) : } { : " ." : " ." Translation- Madan said: I asked Sufyan Al-Thauri about HIS saying {and HE is with you wherever you are (57:4)}. He knowledge.References-(8 ((1/306-307 597 - (654 - (3/1078 (- (3/154-155 111 - - ((3/401 672 - (908 - (2/341 ((7/139) (7/142 - (89 - (113 94) (115-116 ((7/274 - 46) (63-64 (103) Proof:-83 Abdullah ibn Al-Mubarak (181 AH) : : " ." : " " " ." : " " " " Translation- Shaikh Bukhari said: I asked Abd-Allah ibn Mubarak, how we know our lord? He said: In the seventthrone. And he spokeOver the seventh heaven over his throne, and we dont say like jahmiyyah say that he is here on ear (Reference .When it was said to Ahmad bin Hanbal he said: this is what we believe (Reference 2) .

Imam Dhahabi-

This is sahih and proven about Ibn Al Mubarak and Ahmad (r.a both).And his saying in the heaven in the last nthat that he meant from his saying in the heaven is over the heaven, like in the other sahih narration he wroteMansoor al-FaqihKitab Al-Arsh (2/240)Reference 1-(8 ((50 - (103) ((1/11122) (1/174-175 216 - ((3/155-156 112 - (899 - (3/308 (28 - (20 (903 - (2/336 ((7/142 - (100 99 - (118-117 ((6/264 - ((8/402 - (110) (- (134-135) Reference 2-(1/267 . ((117 - (- (2/34) (5/52)


32/34

: "(47/) " " ". : . Translation- Narrated Abu Abr Ar-Rahman Abdullah ibn Hanbal in the book Ar-rad ala al-jahamiyyah: Narrated tIbrahim Al-Daurqi, narrated to to us Ali bin Aal-Hussain bin Shaqiq, I asked to Ibn al Mubarak:How must we know where our is? He said: Over the seven heavens, over his throne and we dont say like jahmiyah say that he is here on eart References-(1/111 22 (

(110 - -( (8/402-403)

Proof:-84 Allah says,''Nay! When the earth is pounded by power, AND THY LORD COMETH, and His angels, rank upon rank, and Hell, thaDay, is brought face to face - On that Day will man remember, but how will that remembrance profit him?(Al-Quran 89:21-23)

Comments :-If Allah is present everywhere then why he will come on the day of Resurrection with Angels?

Proof:-85 Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakesHim belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him excep

permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thinknowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires is the Most High, the Most Great.(Surah Baqarah Ayat-255)

nearest_a_servant_comes_to_his_Lord_is_when_he_is_prostrating_himself.jpg

e) Further Readings:

I) An index for easy access to 20+ threads on "Where is Allah?:"http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=5170 and

II) More than 100 sahabas and tabieens who believed that Allah is above hisarsh . Data has been taken from the book Al Arsh (The throne)by Imam Dhahabi: http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=22638721&tid=5373393907162527791 and

III)http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=408884&tid=5516881759417817608 Article is divided into 5 headings: 1) Where is A(Proofs from Quran & hadiths showing Allah is above his creation on Arsh) 2) How important it is part of faith in Islam to kViews of some great sahabas & scholars on: Where is Allah 4) Intellectual proofs5) Some misrepresented verses

IV) www.abovethethrone.com/arsh/ (an excellent

allah abov arsh where is allah_ separate or part of creation_ above heaven & arsh

Documents