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AMERICAN SOCIETY OF HEATING, REFRIGERATING AND AIR-CONDITIONING ENGINEERS, INC.
1791 Tullie Circle, N.E./Atlanta, GA 30329 404-636-8400
TC/TG/TRG MINUTES COVER SHEET (Minutes of all TC/TG/TRG Meetings are to be distributed to all persons listed below
within 30 days following the meeting.)DRAFT #1
"These draft minutes have not been approved and are not the official, approved record until approved by this (council/committee)."
TC/TG/TRG NO.: TC 1.11 DATE: March 27, 2015TC/TG/TRG TITLE: Electric Motors and Motor Controls
DATE OF MEETING: January 27, 2015 LOCATION: Chicago, ILPalmer House Hilton, Floor 7, Montrose 5
Voting Members TC 1.11Name Position AffiliationTerry Davies Chair DanfossTom Lowery Vice-Chair, Handbook, Liaison
for UL & NEMASchneider Electric
Rick Heiden Co-Research TraneRick Bunch ALI Coordinator R L Bunch EnterprisesAlex Lifson Member CarrierPaul Lin NEMA Motor Liaison,
WebmasterRegal Beloit
Billy Rhinehart Co-Research RelianceMichael S. Todd Secretary Johnson Controls
Total Voting Members 8
Corresponding Members TC 1.11Name Position Affiliation YearFlorian Antretter Fraunhofer Institute 2012Kenneth Bobick Emerson 2012Robert Buckingham Co-Programs Baldor 2014Kelly Chandler Provisional Bristol Compressors 2014Rudy Chervil Johnson Controls 2008Jim Chmielewski Emerson 2004Rupal Choksi AHRI 2012Robert Coleman Trane 2008Charles Culp Texas A & M 2011Ashish Desai Provisional Metal Industries 2014Mark Doty Price Mechanical 2010James Dudt Karpinski Engineering 2012
Jerry EdwardsProvisional, Membership Bristol Compressors 2014
Ken Fonstad ABB 2012Rainer Grosse-Kracht Bitzer 2008James Gu Xylem 2013Deep Gupta Ingersoll Rand 2012Alex Harvey Control Techniques 2012
Armin Hauer Standards, Co-Programs EMB-Papst 2008
Robert Helt NEC Energy Solutions 2000Phillip Johnson Daikin 2006
David Lee Armstrong Fluid Technologies 2012
Paul McCabe Rockwell 2006Sally Mcinerny University of Louisiana 1998David Miller Daikin 2012Riyaz Papar Hudson Tech 1999Donald Perry Ideal Electric 2006Hermann Renz Bitzer 2009Brian Reynolds Trane 2013Robert Richard Honeywell 2006Richard Robertson Sybro Global 2014
Daryl Showalter FAFCO Thermal Storage 2012
Colin Tait SMS Engineering 2010William Tinsley TME 1999Kurt Vega Emerson 2008Derrick Vigil Baldor 2006Peter Walter ABB 2006Thomas Watson Daikin 2000
Adam Willwerth Electro Static Technology ITW 2013
Mike Wolf Greenheck Fan Corp 2014Craig Wray MTG Liaison LBNL 2012
Total Corresponding Members 41
Attendees at the TC 1.11 Meeting on January 27, 2015
Name Position Affiliation E-MailVM*, CM*, Guest
Emmanuel Agamloh
Guest Advanced Energy
[email protected] Guest
Kim Baker Guest NovaTorque [email protected] GuestH. Behis Guest TC 5.2 GuestCasey Briscoe Guest Ingersoll Rand [email protected] GuestJim Chmielewski
Member Emerson [email protected] CM
Rupal Choksi Member AHRI [email protected] CMRobert Cnopko Guest Carrier [email protected] GuestBob Coleman Member Trane [email protected] CMTerry Davies Chair Danfoss [email protected] VMKen Fonstad Member ABB [email protected] CMArt Giesler RLI RLIArmin Hauer Member EBM-Papst [email protected] CMRobert Helt Member NEC – Energy
Rick Heidon Research Trane [email protected] VMSanaee Iyama Guest Lawrence
Berkley National Laboratory
[email protected] Guest
Rainer Grosse-Kracht
Member Bitzer [email protected] CM
Paul Lin Webmaster Regal Beloit [email protected] VMTom Lowery Handbook Schneider
VM
Billy Rhinehart Member Baldor Electric [email protected] VMMichael S. Todd Secretary Johnson
Mike Wolf Member Greenheck [email protected] CMCraig Wray Member Lawrence
Berkley National Laboratory
Total Attendees 22VM = Voting Member
CM = Corresponding Member
DISTRIBUTION: ALL MEMBERS OF THE TC/TG/TRGTAC SECTION HEAD: Nadar JavaramanCHAPTER TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER: Alexander WeissLIAISONS:RAC RESEARCH LIAISON: Arthur GieslerALI/PDC: Darin NutterSPECIAL PUBS: Daniel PettwaySTANDARDS: Arsen MelikovMANAGER OF STANDARDS: Stephanie C. ReinicheSTAFF RESEARCH & TECHNICAL SERVICES: Michael R. Vaughn ADDITIONAL DISTRIBUTION: All corresponding members
ASHRAE TC/TG/TRG ACTIVITIES SHEET
DATE: January 27, 2015TC/TG/TRG NO.: TC 1.11 TC/TG/TRG TITLE: Electric Motors and Motor ControlsCHAIRMAN: Terry Davies VICE CHAIRMAN: Thomas F LowerySECRETARY: Michael ToddTC/TG/TRG MEETING SCHEDULELocation-Past 12 Months Date Location-Planned Next 12
MonthsDate
SeattleChicago
6/20141/2015
AtlantaOrlando
6/27-7/1 20151/23-27 2016
TC/TG/TRG SUBCOMMITTEESFunction ChairmanStandardsResearchProgramHandbookWeb-masterMembershipALI coordinator (ASHRAE learning institute)
Armin HauerRick HeidenArmin Hauer & Robert Buckingham
Tom LoweryPaul LinJerry EdwardsRick Bunch
RESEARCH PROJECTS-CURRENTProject Titlenone
Contractor Monitoring Comm. Chpt.
Report Made At Meeting
LONG RANGE RESEARCH PLANRank Title W/S Written Approved To RAC1. Standby Power2. MOT for motor
thermal properties
YesNo
YesNo
NoNo
STANDARDS ACTIVITIES-List and Describe SubjectsAHRI Standard 1210 / 1211 Performance Rating of Variable Frequency Drives, MOT will become new ASHRAE standard once experience from the AHRI certification program has been developed,TECHNICAL PAPERS from Sponsored Research-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. present & planned)
TC/TG Sponsored Transactions-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)
TC/TG Sponsored Seminars1/13 Seminar 6 - Smart Methods to Prevent Electrical Harmonics Problems in Buildings6/13 Special Session 9 - Panel Discussion: VFD Generated Motor Bearing Currents Got Your
Equipment Screaming?1/15 Seminar 39 - Efficiency Prediction of Motors and Variable Speed Drives with
Compressors and with FansTC/TG Sponsored Forums-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)6/12 Seminar - Variable Frequency Drive Performance: What Is It and How Does It Relate to
AHRI 1210-2011?
TC/TG Sponsored Workshops-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)
JOURNAL PUBLICATIONS, when published (past 3 yrs. present & planned)June 2013 -- Standardizing VFD Efficiency by Andrea Krukowski & Craig Wray
ASHRAE TC 1.11 Electric Motors and Motor ControlsMinutes for the Meeting at
Palmer House HiltonChicago, Illinois
Tuesday, January 27, 2015
1. CALL TO ORDER
Introduction of Members and Guests.
Technical Committee 1.11 was called to order at 1:12 PM by Vice Chair Tom Lowery. Technical Committee member introductions were made and an attendance sheet was circulated. The membership list was reviewed and a quorum was established with 6 out of 8 voting members present.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND REVIEW OF ACTION ITEMS
The drafted minutes from the Denver, New York, and Seattle meetings were sent out via e-mail and approved via email before this meeting.
Report Action Items:
None.
3/4. TC MEMBERSHIP and COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS
Armin Hauer resigned the subcommittee position of co-chair for Programs effective 1/27/15. Billy Rhinehart accepted the position of co-chair for Research effective immediately.
5. CHAIR REPORT: Terry Davies
The section 1 breakfast meeting notes are included in these minutes in Appendix I. Terry reminded everyone to keep their ASHRAE BIO up to date and the TC was reminded to keep their website up to date. The program deadline for the Atlanta summer conference is Feb. 9. ASHRAE is not receiving many nominations for the Hightower and Research awards. The average speaker rating at the Seattle conference was 3.5 out of 5. Some committees are utilizing virtual meetings (phone conference and web meetings) with success; however, approval must be requested and granted prior to the conference. All speakers for the Winter 2016 meeting in Orlando must use the ASHRAE presentation template and be submitted on time. Lastly, roster updates are due tonight at midnight.
Up and coming meetings: Atlanta, Georgia - June 27 to July 1, 2015
6. SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
A. Standards: Armin Hauer
Armin is concerned there is no or little dialogue between committee members between TC meetings.
90.1 is referencing horsepower quite often, housekeeping clean-up for nameplates NEMA large motor regulation, increasing efficiency almost at induction motor limit,
working to expand scope to include more general purpose motors, Paul to send out new standard.
Small motor regulation is effective in spring 2015. NEMA is looking for DOE to provide more clarity to rules as to what is affected. Regal Beloit is issuing a document on how they are interpreting rules.
DOE pump ruling, wire to water, there is agreement between DOE and manufacturers DOE air compressor rules DOE fan rules These three (pumps, fans, air compressors) are getting together with electric utilities
trying to start programs and labeling methods Ceiling fan regulation from DOE for very large fans, rate them wire to air at one
point, full speed and counting standby power consumption against rating, not looking at variable speed operation or part load rating, suggestion to help point them to a standard to help them
AHRI and AMCA for fan rule making, bonus for variable speed rating or penalize for full load efficiency?
No new energy standards in Europe, tier 1 in place for 2 years and pushing for tier 2 implementation
NEMA, UL, and IEC in process of harmonizing standards No news from Canada No new IEEE stds AHRI 1210 – no manufacturers certified yet, no one reached the finish line yet,
several are in process, very rigorous process, standard is up for a review period (missing DVDT tolerance and other comments)
ASHRAE 205P, Standard Representation of Performance Simulation Data for HVAC&R and Other Facility Equipment 1. PURPOSE: To facilitate sharing of equipment characteristics for performance
simulation by defining standard representations such as data models, data formats, and automation interfaces.
2. SCOPE: This standard applies to data used in the performance simulation of any HVAC&R or other facility system, equipment, or component.
Mark Hadimen is chair of this committee, Rick suggest our TC should participate to reflect models of VSD’s, pilot standard with chillers, unitary, and fan device, focus seems to be on efficiency, Steve Taylor optimization schemas.
NEMA, DOE, AHRI, all seem to be doing things in parallel. Rick asked, do we want to let everyone else dictate our industry or should we be leading – lots of discussion, what are the efficiency curves for individual components and then how to put them together to determine overall system efficiency. Rainer brought up IPLV rating came about because there are infinite operating points.
Armin to investigate ASHRAE 205P and how our TC can/should get involved (just Armin or form a subcommittee?)
B. Research: Rick Heiden
Rick presented and the TC reviewed the RTAR titled, Assessment of HVAC Equipment Idle Power Consumption as a Percentage of Built Environment Energy Load. A copy of this RTAR is also shown in Appendix II.
Motion: A motion to submit the above RTAR was made by Rick with a second from Tom. A vote was taken and the motion passed 6-0-0.
Rick announced the goal to have the next RTAR on the method of test for characterizing motor thermal properties ready for submission at the Atlanta meeting.
Details from the Research sub-committee meeting report are attached in Appendix III.
C. Programs: Armin Hauer co-chair (resigning 1/27/2015) , Rob Buckingham co-chair
One seminar (#39) titled, Efficiency Prediction of Motors and Variable Speed Driveswith Compressors and with Fans, was approved for Chicago and held this morning at 8AM. This seminar was submitted twice for Chicago, once with two speakers and once with three speakers while changing the track. Armin chaired this seminar and the attendance was approximately 114. Listed below are the presentation titles and speakers for Seminar 39.
1. Variable-Speed Motor Systems EffectsEmmanuel Agamloh, Ph.D., Advanced Energy, Raleigh, NC
2. Compressors Thrive with VSDsRainer Grosse-Kracht, Member, BITZER SE, Sindelfingen, Germany
3. Extended Product Efficiency Approach with FansUwe Sigloch, ebm-papst GmbH & Co. KG, Mulfingen, Germany
Armin resigned his co-chair position for Programs and nominated Rob Buckingham to solely chair the Program sub-committee.
Terry stated TAC only approved approximately 50% of the submitted programs for Chicago. It would be great to understand why only 50% were approved.
The following are the tracks for Atlanta and Orlando. ASHRAE is looking for ideas for future tracks as well.
Atlanta – Summer 2015 Track 1: HVAC&R Systems and Equipment Track 2: HVAC&R Fundamentals and Applications Track 3: Research Summit Track 4: Refrigeration Track 5: Building Operation, Maintenance and Optimization/Commissioning Track 6: Indoor Air Quality Track 7: Modeling throughout the Building Life Cycle Track 8: High Performance Buildings Track 9: Moving Advanced Energy Design Guidance to the Mainstream
Orlando – Winter 2016 Track 1: Systems and Equipment Track 2: Fundamentals and Applications Track 3: Design Build Track 4: International Design Track 5: Standards, Guidelines and Codes Track 6: Cutting-Edge Technologies Track 7: The Great Debate Track 8: Modern Residential Systems
The group discussed some ideas for a basic session possibly for Atlanta. What it means to tune/optimize a drive to a motor? Motor and drive tuning/optimization topics How to “characterize” a motor and drive combination? Motor and drive setup Motor and drive selection
Deadline for Atlanta seminars, forums, and workshops is Feb 9th. Terry to arrange a conference call for further discussion on the topics listed above.
D. Handbook Chapter 45: Tom Lowery & Deep Gupta
Since our last meeting, Tom sent updated copy around with edits and comments (Ken and Armin already provided comments). Terry suggested to have a teleconference in a couple of months (around March) to go over them. The next published version isn’t due for another two years. Terry also suggested sending the handbook chapter for everyone to provide comments.
E. Membership: Jerry Edwards
Terry passed around the roll-on-off roster for review during the meeting.
7. WEB SITE http://tc111.ashraetcs.org: Paul Lin
None.
8. LIASION REPORTS
Section Head: Reference Appendix I.
RAC: Art Giesler TC 1.11 currently has two projects: standby power and MOT for motor thermals RAP (research advisory panel) forming, 18 month commitment, 3 year slot Updating RTAR forms Bringing in 1+ million dollars per year mainly from the show
MTG.EAS: Energy-Efficient Air-Handling Systems for Non-Residential Buildings Disbanded (see their motion & vote) List of ideas is publicly archived. (No changes on the part of TC 1.11).
https://www.ashrae.org/File%20Library/docLib/Technology/MTG-EAS/MTG-EAS-Ideas_Rev-13_20May2014-2.doc/
Collaboration with TC 5.1 is in place primarily through AMCAAMCA is putting everything in place to measure, report, and certify w2a data.AMCA 210, AMCA 211.
Plea for continued collaboration with other TCs.
NEMA/UL Motor Committee Liaison – Paul Lin NEMA has made comments back to the NEC. UL and NEMA have agreed to standard, UL 61800-5-1.
NEMA/UL Committee Liaison – Tom Lowery NEMA committees will hold a joint session in Clearwater, FL in March.
9. OLD BUSINESS
None.
10. NEW BUSINESS
TC 1.9 is holding Workshop 6: Smart Inverter Standards, to Manage Your Smart Building While Connected to the Smart Grid tomorrow at 9:45AM.
Terry thanked everyone for coming to the meeting.
11. ANNOUNCEMENT OF NEXT MEETING
Chairman Terry Davies announced that the next meeting would be held in Atlanta, Georgia in June 2015 at the same time on Tuesday.
12. ADJOURNMENT
Motion: Rich Heiden made a motion to adjourn at 3:36 PM with a second from Tom Lowery. Motion carried 6-0-0.
Respectfully Submitted,
Michael ToddSecretary, TC 1.11
Appendix I - CEC Info upcoming meetings & deadlines 1-25-15
Appendix II - RTAR-IdlePowerInHVACREquiupment_27January2015
Appendix III - TC1.11_ResearchRpt