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To battery swap or fastcharge? Thats the question
facing automakers worldwide as they decide on the
best standard to adopt to charge the latest
generation of electric cars.
But just like the early days of video cassettes, a
standard war is waging in which there can only be one
winner. And despite the quicker, fully automated
world of battery swapping the technology backed by
RenaultNissan and Better Place is facing an uphill
struggle to become the accepted technology for
charging electric car batteries for long distance trips.
Theoretically Perfect in a Perfect World
Just like the Betamax, BetterPlaces fast charge
solution looks great on paper. It avoids the need for
long charging stops and theoretically cuts down the
time taken to replenish an electric vehicles range
from the 30 or so minutes taken to fast charge a 2011
Nissan Leaf to well under 5 minutes.
In order to achieve this however, the battery swap
station has to have no queues and a fresh battery
pack of the correct type waiting. It charges the
batteries to full every time and ensures a full tested
battery pack that will be of a guaranteed health.
Its also better for the batteries: continued fastcharging eventually prematurely ages a lithiumion
battery pack. Battery swapping, with stations
charging spent packs over hours rather than minutes
helps reduce wear and tear but only in a perfect
world of unlimited space, unlimited resources and
fully integrated telematics between cars, batteries
and swap stations.
And thats the point. Just like Betamax, Battery swap stations are great: in a perfect world.
Battery Homogeneity or Port Homogeneity?
Sadly, the world isnt perfect. Nor is it one where cooperation is de facto.
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In order to make full use of battery swap stations,
there has to be consensus on battery pack design,
not just the design of the power inlet used to charge
the car. In asking the automakers to work together
on a standardized battery pack, car design becomes
centered around the battery pack, not the function
of the car.
In turn, that centralized design process makes it
difficult to design cars with longer ranges or specific
purposes.
In contrast, fast charging can be applied to any
vehicle with a standardized inlet: power is
transferred to an onboard battery pack which can
take any shape and software controls power
transfer.
Port or inlet homogeneity means it is possible for
battery packs to come in a variety of sizes and shapes
and the design of the battery pack can be put
wherever the cars designers feel there is space.
Less Convenience, Less Space
Creating a fastcharge network is less expensive than
a battery swap station. It also requires less space,
meaning a fast charge station can be put anywhere a
parking lot exists. Battery swap stations require a
dedicated space to remove, store and charge as many
batteries as are needed to satisfy a continuos stream
of battery swaps.
Battery swapping 0. Fast Charging 2?
Kind of. But the time taken to recharge using a fast
charging station is much longer than the time it takes
to replace a battery in a battery swap facility. It also
doesnt actually recharge a battery to full, charging a
battery to about 80% of its full capacity. These two
factors give battery swap stations a major advantage
over fast charge points.
The Final Nail
But the ultimate nail in BetterPlaces coffin is the ubiquity of plugging in and the way that we, the
consumers, already know how to do it.
Theres no specialised equipment necessary for daily mileages of less than 100 miles in cars like the 2011
Nissan Leaf. In fact, charging at night eliminates the need for recharging during the day at all.
Sometimes, the more basic solution wins out, even if it isnt quite as good for our cars as the
alternative could be.
Without a doubt, fast charging is like VHS: technically flawed and not quite as versatile as it could be.
For now though, BetterPlace looks confined to places where it does work: large fleets and small
islands.
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Michael ThwaitePosted: 3/7/2011 9:37am PST
I think Better Place is absolutely perfect for fleets of vehicles; City Taxi's, Post office delivery vehicles...
It's how they did it at the turn of the 19th century. Worked then,I guess we lost out way.
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Kent BeuchertPosted: 3/7/2011 11:02am PST
I disagree that BetterPlace makes any sense, anywhere. Right now BYD is running a fleet of taxis and
can recharge to a substantial battery capacity in 10 minutes, plenty fast enough. And as batteries get
cheaper, the need for frequent recharge grows correspondingly less. It's hard to imagine any need
whatsoever to artificially assist the 300 mile Model S. Even long trips are no problem with that range
combined with a negligible 45 minute recharge. It will have no need whatsoever for away from home
recharges except during trips. BetterPlace makes sense only when batteries are extemely expensive,
very slow charging, and leased t o the owner and
standardized by all the automakers. Absolutely none of those conditions now exist, nor does the
rationale for BetterPlace.
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Lucjan WilczekPosted: 3/7/2011 12:43pm PST
I work for a Private Ambulance company around Chicago land area, I want to say we easily put 100 +
Miles on an ambulance in a day, the battery swapping technology would be perfect for that...
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By Alex BesogonovPosted: 3/7/2011 1:01pm PST
This analysis is flawed.
"Creating a fastcharge network is less expensive than a battery swap station. It also requires less
space, meaning a fast charge st ation can be put anywhere a parking lot exists"
That's totally not true. Not a lot of existing parking lots have enough power for fastcharging more
than a handful (at best!) cars. You'll need about 20 kWt*hr of charge for 100 miles, that works out to
stunning 40kWt (80Aat 500V!) for a SINGLE car. So a modest 30cars parking lot will require stunning
1.2MWt of power! So forget about fastcharging on any parking lot (though slow charging will probably
be ubiquitous).
In future, probably _both_ fast/slow charging and battery swapping will be used.
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By Kevin SharpePosted: 3/7/2011 3:12pm PST
Lucjan do you think this will be true when you have a 200 mile battery? IMO battery swap will only be
useful while we wait for longer range batteries at an affordable price (in 5 to 10 years).
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By Kevin SharpePosted: 3/7/2011 3:18pm PST
Alex, why not simply trickle charge a local storage system? You don't have to take all 40kWt or
whatever from the grid on demand.
I also doubt that fast charge will be required 24/7, during the night the system could revert to Level 2
service while trickle charging the fast charge storage.
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Paul E.AppletonPosted: 3/7/2011 4:14pm PST
Our nation is a fleet since we bought GM and our neighborhoods are many islands, coalesced.....thanks
for making the BP argument!!
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Posted: 3/8/2011 2:59am PST
"Alex, why not simply trickle charge a local storage system? You don't have to tak e all 40kWt or
whatever from the grid on demand."
Sure, it's one probable solution. But then you'll need to have a lot of local storage and batteries are
expensive. So by the time you've finished your parking lot won't be cheaper than a battery swap
station.
By Tom BassettPosted: 3/8/2011 10:49am PST
Looking at a 30 car fastcharging parking lot from a utilitie's perspective is fairly straight forward. Install
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a standard 750 KVA 3phase padmount transformer, t ypically 13.2kv to 277/480Y. Diversity and thermal
capacity of OISC xfrmr easily handles duty. Could use a 1000 KVA pad to be conservative.
Most utilities keep a few of these in their own local stock. Less than 53 amps primary current if all 30
cars charging (unlikely). Piece of cake for typical urban distribution network.
Transformer footprint would be about 6' X 4' or about 1/2 a parking space.
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Christopher FilePosted: 3/8/2011 3:59pm PST
Is there any reason they ca n't be both? It would be nice to have them fast charge yet have easy removal
whenever the battery lifecycle has ended.
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By BretPosted: 3/8/2011 5:08pm PST
There are two obvious reasons why I believe battery swapping is D.O.A. for consumers.
1. There's no way anyone is going to swap their $10K battery pack and risk getting one that is older or
potentially defective. I definitely wouldn't if I had a new EV.
2. The battery pack should be an integral part of the car and add structural rigidity. Having a r emovable
pack seems like it would add weight, reduce interior room and affect h andling.
It makes more sense for fleet customers, where they own all of the batteries and use van type vehicles.
But, they would still have to buy a lot of extra batteries and a swap station. That's a lot of money
compared to buying a couple quick chargers.
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