smith & wesson 9 mm model 1940 light rifle in british & dominion service

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This is a presentation delivered to a monthly meeting of the Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association (HBSA) of Great Britain in London, UK. Website: www.hbsa-uk.org by Richard Jones The Smith & Wesson 9 mm Model 1940 Light Rifle in British & Dominion Service, general arrangement, did we commission it?, S&W patent application, contracts, deliveries, Central Landing Establishment (CLE), Superintendent Experimental Estabblishment, Butt Mk II, Butt Mk III, Admiralty adoption, South African Defence Forces, by Richard Jones with Alan David and Ian Patrick

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The Smith & Wesson 9 mm Model 1940 Light Rifle

in British & Dominion Service

A work in progress narrative

General Arrangement

Did We Commission It?

S&W Patent Application

Filed: 28 Jun 39 – Patented: 24 Sep 40

Contracts LedgerGuns & Ammunition

Contract Details:

Initial Order for:• 20,000 ‘Machine Carbines’ and 100,000,000 • 9 mm rounds on 27 Jun 40

Supplementary Order (for Admiralty) 2,000 ‘Machine Carbines’ and 10,000,000 9 mm rounds on 27 Jul 40

Grand Total: 22,000 ‘Machine Carbines’ 110, 000, 000 ‘9 mm rounds’

Delivery Rates!

• Aug 31st 1940 - 2,000 guns• Sep 4,000 guns • Oct 4,000 guns• Nov 6,000 guns• Dec 4,000 guns

Total: 22,000 by Dec 31st?

Additional orders included:

210 sets Spare Parts Kits @ £137.15.0d/set

420, 000 magazines @ 10/- shillings each

Meeting Customer Needs

• Urgent Requirement to fill ‘capability gap’ in infantry small arms – self-inflicted!

• Thus far, no evidence that intended purchase was ‘stop-gap’ in the first instance pending introduction of Lanchester/STEN into tri-service use.

• Initial (enthusiastic) customer was:-

Central Landing Establishment (CLE)

OB Proc – 9,634 of 27.11.40

Superintendent Experimental Establishment (Pendine)

Cases Wood Packing (CWP)

Making a Point!

Butt -MK IICarbine, Smith & Wesson 9m/m

DD(E) 2594/2

Fabrication of MK II Butt

Butt MK II Components

Ali???

Breakages of S&W Butt Stocks

Butt – MK IIICarbine, Smith & Wesson

DD(E) 3323

Rod, Cleaning CarbineDD(E) 2621

Wasteful Extravagance!

Rod, Cleaning, Machine Carbine, 9m/m MK IDD(E) 2621

British Safety Concerns

Retro’ safety device?

Enter the Senior Service

Admiralty Handbook

Issue - 1942

Handbook Issue - Detail

Scale of Issue

Admiralty - Advisory

Service Use

Carrier Magazine – airborne forces for the use of

End of the Road

South African Defence Forces• Circa 6 Sep 40 - Ordered 2,200 S&W Model 1940 MKI

Light Rifles and 50, 000 magazines (on back of British order for 20,000).

• First 100/200 guns to be delivered by 15 Oct 40, balance by 15 Jan 41!

• Circa 2 Oct 40 Two examples ordered direct (S/No’s 16 & 17) and delivered.. Unit cost US$80.00

• Circa 29 Jan 41 - Negotiations under way with BPC to cancel all orders – ‘No Probs’ - British will take all they can get!!

In Passing… the MK II

‘On'

‘Off’

s/n 2127

Markings

Summary

• 1. Unknown number of carbines actually arrived in the UK. Serial numbers known all below ‘950’ (Range 110 – 950)

• 2. Possibly +/- 1,000 entered service with the Royal Navy as secondary arms from an initial requirement of 2,000?

• 3. Post War disposal remains unknown, deep sea dumping is unlikely!

• 4. Last identified disposal – RNAD Upnor in 1958.

• 5. South African order cancelled.

• 6. Canadian involvement TBC.

Questions

Points of Contact

Alan David alandavid303@optusnet.com.au Richard Jones

richardjones320@hotmail.comIan Patrick

Tel: 001 44 (0)1420 543 871

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