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AUV.2015-11 Agenda.doc
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS
MEMORANDUM
TO: Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations
FROM: R. P. Benedetti
DATE: October 26, 2015
SUBJECT: Agenda for NFPA 30A First Draft Meeting November 16, 2015 — 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM November 17, 2015 — 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM
_________________________________________________________________________________ Ladies and Gentlemen: Attached is the Agenda for the NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages, First Draft meeting to be held Monday, November 16, and Tuesday, November 17, 2015, at the offices of UL LLC, 2191 Zanker Road, San Jose CA. The meeting is scheduled to run from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM, both days. This Agenda will also be posted to the NFPA 30A Document Information Page at http://www.nfpa.org/30A If you have additional items for the Agenda, please bring them with you to the meeting. rpb/ cc AUV Meeting Folder AUV/NM
AUV.2015-11 Agenda.doc
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS
AGENDA — NFPA 30A First Draft Meeting
Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations
Offices of UL LLC, 2191 Zanker Road San Jose CA Monday, November 16, 2015, 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM Tuesday, November 17, 2015, 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM
1. Call to Order. 2. Introduction of Attendees. Update of Committee Roster. [Attachment № A1] 3. Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting. [June, 2013, San Antonio TX] [Attachment № A2] 4. Report of Committee Chair. 5. Report of Staff Liaison.
Technical Committee Scope. [See Attachment № A3 for Proposed New Scope.] (New Scope Statement was approved at last meeting, but not balloted.)
Technical Committee Membership Status. [Attachment № A4] Document Revision Schedule for Annual 2017 Cycle. [Attachment № A5]
6. Member Reports on Current Issues. [As Necessary] 7. Multiple Fuels Dispensing Stations - NFPA 2 and NFPA 30A. [Attachment № A6]
Review of NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code Review Current Status of Alternative Fuels Dispensed Alongside Legacy Fuels Consider Creation of Task Group to Address Requirements for Alternative Fuels for
Dispensing (NFPA 30A, Chapter 12) and Repair Garages (NFPA 30A, Chapter 7) 8. Review and Act on Public Inputs to Amend the 2015 edition of NFPA 30A
[Attachment № A7 – Public Inputs & Attachments to Same] 9. Old Business.
Revisit (Failed) Tentative Interim Amendment No. 985. [Attachment No. A8] Double-Poppet Shear Valves. [Attachment No. A9]
10. New Business.
Inquiry from WI SFMO: Does NFPA 30A apply to non-registered vehicles?
AUV.2015-11 Agenda.doc
Better definitions for “Major Repair Garage” and “Minor Repair Garage”. (Related Issue: Does Chapter 7 of NFPA 30A apply to a Tesla service facility?)
Installation of small pumps directly on small tanks without minimum separation distance.
Revisions to Section 6.7, Emergency Electrical Disconnects. [Attachment No. A10]
Table 8.3.2 – Add the following entry to correlate with NFPA 30: Tank-aboveground, Div. 1 Zone 0 area inside vent piping fixed roof or vent opening
Required Separation: delivery vehicle to aboveground storage tanks. [Attachment No. A11]
Lightning Strikes and UST Explosions. [Attachment No. A12]
Correlation with NFPA 52 – Emergency Electrical Disconnects. [Attachment No. A13]
Presentation on FlexStation Modular Fueling Facility. [Attachment № A14] 11. Schedule Next Meeting(s). 12. Adjournment.
Address List No PhoneAutomotive and Marine Service Stations AUV-AAA
Robert P. Benedetti10/27/2015
AUV-AAA
Alfredo M. Ramirez
ChairUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Roland A. Riegel
RT 4/15/2004AUV-AAA
Dennis Boyd
PrincipalBP Corporation NA Inc.1 West Warrenville Road, MC 801-1106Naperville, IL 60563American Petroleum InstituteAlternate: Richard S. Kraus
U 03/07/2013
AUV-AAA
Rob Brown
PrincipalHusky Corporation2325 Husky WayPacific, MO 63069Alternate: Keith Weepie
M 8/9/2011AUV-AAA
Charles A. Burns
PrincipalOscar W. Larson Company10100 Dixie HighwayClarkston, MI 48348
IM 3/4/2009
AUV-AAA
Sullivan D. Curran
PrincipalFiberglass Tank & Pipe Institute14323 HeatherfieldHouston, TX 77079-7407
M 1/1/1993AUV-AAA
Nils Deacon
PrincipalMutual Service Office, Inc.1108 Morris AvenuePoint Pleasant, NJ 08742
I 08/09/2012
AUV-AAA
Brian C. Donovan
PrincipalSteel Tank Mutual Insurance Company (STICO)171 West Wing Street, Suite 208Arlington Heights, IL 60005
I 1/1/1993AUV-AAA
Paul J. Doyle
PrincipalPetroleum Marine Consultants, LLC13833 Wellington Trace, E4 #207Wellington, FL 33414
IM 10/18/2011
AUV-AAA
Thomas K. Drube
PrincipalChart Industries, Inc.407 7th Street NWNew Prague, MN 56071
M 4/3/2003AUV-AAA
Thomas J. Forsythe
PrincipalJENSEN HUGHES2950 Buskirk AvenueSuite 225Walnut Creek, CA 94597-8862Alternate: Alwin A Kelly
SE 4/28/2000
AUV-AAA
Fred B. Goodnight
PrincipalAmerex Corporation7595 Gadsden HighwayPO Box 81Trussville, AL 35173-0081Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association
M 1/1/1988AUV-AAA
John M. Gray
PrincipalOPW Fueling Components9393 Princeton-Glendale RoadHamilton, OH 45011-9707
M 10/29/2012
AUV-AAA
Curtis N. Harding
PrincipalTyco Fire Suppression & Building ProductsOne Stanton StreetMarinette, WI 54143-2542Alternate: Adam Stewart
M 8/5/2009AUV-AAA
Marshall A. Klein
PrincipalMarshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc.6815 Autumn View DriveEldersburg, MD 21784-6304Automotive Aftermarket Industry AssociationAlternate: Andrew S. Klein
U 1/1/1987
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Address List No PhoneAutomotive and Marine Service Stations AUV-AAA
Robert P. Benedetti10/27/2015
AUV-AAA
Ronald B. Laurence, Jr.
PrincipalStantec Consulting Services, Inc.5 Dartmouth Drive, Suite 101Auburn, NH 03032
SE 8/9/2011AUV-AAA
Thomas J. Marhevko
PrincipalNational Marine Manufacturers Association231 South LaSalle Street, Suite 2050Chicago, IL 60604
U 10/27/2005
AUV-AAA
Randy Moses
PrincipalWayne Fueling Systems LLC1000 East Walnut StreetHeritage Campus, Suite 404Perkasie, PA 18944
M 3/1/2011AUV-AAA
Donald R. Offerdahl
PrincipalIntertek Testing Services515 Arabian AvenueBismarck, ND 58503
RT 1/10/2008
AUV-AAA
David T. Phelan
PrincipalBergenfield Fire Department114 Niagara StreetDumont, NJ 07628
E 03/05/2012AUV-AAA
Marcia Jo Poxson
PrincipalMichigan Bureau of Fire ServicePO Box 30033Lansing, MI 48909-7926Alternate: R. Jeff Tanner
E 10/29/2012
AUV-AAA
Robert N. Renkes
PrincipalPetroleum Equipment Institute6514 East 69th StreetTulsa, OK 74133
M 1/1/1987AUV-AAA
Jess A. Robbins
PrincipalPlasteel Inc.2110 South Coast HighwayOceanside, CA 92054
M 08/09/2012
AUV-AAA
James R. Rocco
PrincipalSage Risk Solutions, LLC360 Heritage RoadAurora, OH 44202Petroleum Marketers Association of AmericaAlternate: Charles R. Plummer
U 3/21/2006AUV-AAA
Joel E. Sipe
PrincipalExponent, Inc.3503 Lakeshore Avenue, #5Oakland, CA 94610-2242
SE 8/9/2011
AUV-AAA
Joseph Spaeder
PrincipalAtlantic Fire Equipment Company, Inc.8311 Delaware AvenueUpper Darby, PA 19082National Association of Fire Equipment Distributors
IM 04/08/2015AUV-AAA
Bruce J. Swiecicki
PrincipalNational Propane Gas Association21200 South LaGrange Road, Suite 353Frankfort, IL 60423Alternate: Don Singleton
IM 7/1/1996
AUV-AAA
Alwin A Kelly
AlternateJENSEN HUGHES3610 Commerce Dr Ste 817Baltimore, MD 21227Principal: Thomas J. Forsythe
SE 08/11/2014AUV-AAA
Andrew S. Klein
AlternateMarshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc.2 Rose CourtPasco, WA 99301Automotive Aftermarket Industry AssociationPrincipal: Marshall A. Klein
U 10/29/2012
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Address List No PhoneAutomotive and Marine Service Stations AUV-AAA
Robert P. Benedetti10/27/2015
AUV-AAA
Richard S. Kraus
AlternateAPI/Petroleum Safety Consultants210 East Fairfax Street, Apt. 600Falls Church, VA 22046-2909American Petroleum InstitutePrincipal: Dennis Boyd
U 3/1/2011AUV-AAA
Charles R. Plummer
AlternatePPM Consultants, Inc.1600 Lamy LaneMonroe, LA 71201-3736Petroleum Marketers Association of AmericaPrincipal: James R. Rocco
U 4/14/2005
AUV-AAA
Roland A. Riegel
AlternateUL LLC1285 Walt Whitman RoadMelville, NY 11747-3085Principal: Alfredo M. Ramirez
RT 4/15/2004AUV-AAA
Don Singleton
AlternateBlossman Gas Inc.4601 Hanshaw RoadOcean Springs, MS 39564National Propane Gas AssociationPrincipal: Bruce J. Swiecicki
IM 10/29/2012
AUV-AAA
Adam Stewart
AlternateTyco Fire Protection ProductsOne Stanton StreetMarinette, WI 54143-2542Principal: Curtis N. Harding
M 03/05/2012AUV-AAA
R. Jeff Tanner
AlternateMichigan Department of Environmental QualityPO Box 30426Lansing, MI 48909-7926Principal: Marcia Jo Poxson
E 10/29/2012
AUV-AAA
Keith Weepie
AlternateHusky Corporation2325 Husky WayPacific, MO 63069Principal: Rob Brown
M 10/29/2012AUV-AAA
William R. Hamilton
Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N3609Washington, DC 20210Alternate: Matthew I. Chibbaro
E 3/4/2009
AUV-AAA
Matthew I. Chibbaro
Alt. to Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N3609Washington, DC 20210Occupational Safety & Health AdministrationPrincipal: William R. Hamilton
E 4/15/2004AUV-AAA
Robert P. Benedetti
Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
4/22/2008
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AUV.2013-08 Minutes.doc
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS
MINUTES of MEETING Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations
East Lansing Marriott at University Place East Lansing, MI
Thursday, August 22, 2013 I. Attendance F. G. Biancucci, Hamilton ON Fire Department – Fire Prevention Division D. Boyd, BP Corporation NA, Inc. (Rep. American Petroleum Institute)
C. A. Burns, Oscar W. Larson Company B. C. Donovan, Steel Tank Mutual Insurance Company (STICO)
P. J. Doyle, Petroleum Marine Consultants, LLC C. N. Harding, Tyco Fire Suppression & Building Products M. A. Klein, Marshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc. (Rep. Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association) R. B. Laurence Jr., Stantec Consulting Services, Inc. R. Moses, Wayne Fueling Systems, LLC D. T. Phelan, Bergenfield NJ Fire Department M. J. Poxson, Michigan Bureau of Fire Services A. M. Ramirez, UL LLC, CHAIR J. R. Rocco, Sage Risk Solutions, LLC (Rep. Petroleum Marketers Association of America) B. J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association R. J. Tanner, Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (Alternate to M. J. Poxson) K. Weepie, Husky Corporation (Alternate to R. Brown)
R. P. Benedetti, NFPA, STAFF LIAISON
Technical Committee Members not Present:
R. Brown, Husky Corporation M. I. Chibbaro, U. S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration
(Nonvoting Member - Alternate to W. R. Hamilton) S. D. Curran, Fiberglass Tank & Pipe Institute
N. Deacon, Mutual Service Office, Inc. J. B. Dimmick, Clean Vehicle Education Foundation (Alternate to D. B. Horne)
T. K. Drube, Chart Industries, Inc. – NexGen Fueling Division T. J. Forsythe, Hughes Associates/RJA Group F. B. Goodnight, Amerex Corporation (Rep. Fire Equipment Manufacturers' Association) J. M. Gray, OPW Fueling Components
W. R. Hamilton, U. S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (Nonvoting Member) D. B. Horne, DBHorne LLC (Rep. Clean Vehicle Education Foundation)
A. S. Klein, Marshall A. Klein & Associates, Inc. (Alternate to M. A. Klein - Rep. Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association) R. S. Kraus, Petroleum Safety Consultants (Alternate to D. Boyd - Rep. American Petroleum Institute)
T. J. Marhevko, National Marine Manufacturers Association
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C. R. Plummer, PPM Consultants, Inc. (Alternate to J. R. Rocco - Rep. Petroleum Marketers Association of America) W. E. Rehr, International Code Council
R. N. Renkes, Petroleum Equipment Institute R. A. Riegel, UL LLC (Alternate to A. M. Ramirez) J. A. Robbins, Plasteel, Inc. D. Singleton, Blossman Gas Inc. (Alternate to B. J. Swiecicki - Rep. National Propane Gas Association) J. E. Sipe, Exponent, Inc.
A. Stewart, Tyco Fire Protection Products (Alternate to C. N. Harding) C. A. Sunderhaus, OPW Fueling Components (Alternate to J. M. Gray) Minutes 1. The meeting was called to order at 8:10 AM by Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez. 2. Attendees introduced themselves and necessary corrections were made to the Technical Committee
roster. The corrected roster will be posted to the NFPA 30A Document Information Web Page. 3. The Minutes of the previous meeting (December 11, 2012, NFPA Offices, Quincy MA were
unanimously approved as corrected with the addition to Mr. Kraus to the attendance list. 4. Technical Committee Chair Al Ramirez reviewed the meeting agenda. 5. The Staff Liaison reported on the following items:
Technical Committee Membership Status. The Staff Liaison reviewed recent changes to the Technical Committee’s membership.
A2014 Document Revision Schedule. The Staff Liaison reviewed the schedule of the Annual
2014 document revision cycle. 6. The Technical Committee reviewed the proposed new scope statement, as recommended by a Task
Group chaired by Marshall Klein. The Technical Committee made the following changes: - Replace “automotive” with “motor vehicle”. Replace “repair garages” with “repair facilities”. - Change “ventilations” to singular. - Change name of committee to Technical Committee on Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities” and Motor Vehicle Repair Facilities”. The Staff Liaison was directed to ballot these changes through the Technical Committee in preparation for submitting to the NFPA Standards Council.
7. The Technical Committee reviewed the report of the Chapter 12 Task Group, chaired by Douglas
Horne. 8. The Technical Committee reviewed and took action on all Public Comments received on the First
Draft Report on NFPA 30A. 9. There was no correspondence requiring the Technical Committee’s attention. 10. There was no old business requiring the Technical Committee’s attention. 11. The following items of new business were handled:
Impact of Alternative Fuels. The Technical Committee held a round table discussion on the various new fuels and their probable impact on NFPA 30A.
AUV.2013-08 Minutes.doc
Amendments to Section 11.3. The Technical Committee agreed to review the entirety of Chapter 11 during the next cycle.
Work Areas for Next Revision Cycle. The Technical Committee agreed to identify agenda items for the next document revision cycle for NFPA 30.
12. Schedule Next Meeting(s). The Technical Committee deferred scheduling the next meeting. 13. The meeting adjourned at 3:00 PM.
Proposed New Technical Committee Name and Scope
1. Replace the current name of the Technical Committee (Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations) with the following: “Technical Committee on Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Motor Vehicle Repair Facilities” JUSTIFICATION: First, the current committee name dates back to its inception, when it dealt almost exclusively with traditional retail service stations. It now covers fleet fuel dispensing operations and repair garages (having absorbed the former NFPA 88B, Standard for Repair Garages). The scope of the committee now embraces almost all motor vehicle fuel dispensing operations, except those dealing exclusively with gaseous fuels and major repair facilities, such as fleet and vehicle dealership maintenance operations. YES______ NO______ ABSTAIN______ Reason for “NO” or “ABSTAIN:_____________________________________________________ __ ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
2. Revise the Technical Committee Scope to read as follows: “This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage, handling, and dispensing of flammable liquids, and combustible liquids, and gaseous fuels at motor fuel dispensing facilities; automotive and marine service stations, farms;, and isolated construction sites; and with related activities, such as operation, inspection, and maintenance of fuel dispensing and storage systems and components gaseous fuels. This Committee shall have responsibility for the dispensing of gaseous fuels only at facilities where liquid fuels are also dispensed. This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction, control of fire hazards, ventilation, fire protection, and maintenance of motor vehicle repair facilities garages. Responsible for NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages.” JUSTIFICATION: These amendments accomplish two objectives. They succinctly and comprehensively describe the subject areas covered by the document(s) under the jurisdiction of this committee. A specific statement is made governing this committee’s limitations with respect to gaseous fueling operations. YES______ NO______ ABSTAIN______ Reason for “NO” or “ABSTAIN:_______________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
AUV Scope Statement & Member Balance.doc - 10/27/2015
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOTIVE and MARINE SERVICE STATIONS
SCOPE STATEMENT
This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on safeguarding against the fire and explosion hazards associated with the general storage, handling, and dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids at automotive and marine service stations, farms, and isolated construction sites and with related activities, such as dispensing gaseous fuels. This committee shall also have primary responsibility for documents on construction, control of fire hazards, ventilation, fire protection, and maintenance of repair garages. Responsible for NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages.
COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP BALANCE
Principals: 26 M: 9 (35%)* U: 4 (15%)** Voting Alternates: 0 I/M: 4 (15%)*** L/C: 0 Alternates: 9 R/T: 2 (8%) E: 2 (8%)
Non-Voting: 2 I: 2 (8%) SE: 3 (12%) Emeritus 0
Task Group: 0 Hold List: 0 Balance: Overbalanced by 1 M *(fuel handling equipment - all fuels: 2 fuel handling equipment - CNG: 0
fuel handling equipment - liquid fuels: 2 fuel handling equipment - LNG: 1 fire suppression equipment: 2 storage tanks - liquid fuels: 2)
**(fleet operators: 0 lube-only/repair: 1 marine: 1 retail: 2) ***(fire suppression systems: 1 liquid & gaseous fuel dispensing/storage systems: 1
liquid fuel dispensing systems: 0 LPG dispensing systems: 1 marine fuel dispensing systems: 1)
2017 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE *Public Input Dates may vary according to standards and schedules for Revision Cycles may change. Please check the NFPA Website for the most up‐to‐date information on Public Input Closing Dates and schedules at
www.nfpa.org/document # (i.e. www.nfpa.org/101) and click on the Next Edition tab.
Process Stage
Process Step
Dates for TC
Dates forTC with
CC Public Input Closing Date* 7/6/15 7/6/15
Final Date for TC First Draft Meeting 12/14/15 9/14/15
Public Input Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot 2/1/16 10/26/15
Stage Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 2/22/16 11/16/15
`(First Draft) Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/29/16 11/23/15
Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 11/30/15
Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 1/11/16
Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot 2/1/16
Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 2/22/16
Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/29/16
Post First Draft Report for Public Comment 3/7/16 3/7/16
Public Comment closing date 5/16/16 5/16/16
Final Date to Publish Notice of Consent Standards (Standards that received no Comments)
5/30/16 5/30/16
Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (Standards that received no Comments)
6/13/16 6/13/16
Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 10/31/16 7/25/16
Comment Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot 12/12/16 9/5/16
Stage Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft ballot 1/2/17 9/26/16
(Second Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/9/17 10/3/16
Draft) Posting of Second Draft for CC Meeting 10/10/16
Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 11/21/16
Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 12/12/16
Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 1/2/17
Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/9/17
Post Second Draft Report for NITMAM Review 1/16/17 1/16/17
Tech Session Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 2/20/17 2/20/17
Preparation Posting of Certified Amending Motions (CAMs) and Consent Standards
4/17/17 4/17/17
(& Issuance) Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards 5/2/17 5/2/17
SC Issuance Date for Consent Standards 5/12/17 5/12/17
Tech Session Association Meeting for Standards with CAMs 6/4‐7/2017 6/4‐7/2017
Appeals and Appeal Closing Date for Standards with CAMs 6/27/17 6/27/17
Issuance SC Issuance Date for Standards with CAMs 8/10/17 8/10/17
Approved: October 30, 2012 Revised________________________
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Benedetti, Bob
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Subject: Joint Task Group on Multiple Fuels Dispensing Stations - NFPA 2 and NFPA 30A
See below for the proposed scope for a joint task group between NFPA 30A and 2 on Multiple Fuels Dispensing Stations. This will be discussed at the upcoming NFPA 30A first draft meeting in October. If you are interested in participating on the task group, please let me (Susan Bershad, staff liaison for NFPA 2), Bob Benedetti (staff liaison for NFPA 30A) or your respective chair know. Please let me know if you have any questions or need additional information. Thanks.
Joint Task Group NFPA 30A/NFPA 2
Multiple Fuels Dispensing Stations Scope: Joint task group between NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages and NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code to investigate requirements related to multi‐fuel (traditional gasolines, diesel fuels) combined with alternative fuels (hydrogen) in a retail fueling station setting. Dispensers for hydrogen will be located on the same fueling island as dispensers for traditional fuels. Review current content of both NFPA 30A and NFPA 2. Confirm adequacy of and proper coordination of code requirements in both NFPA 30A and NFPA 2. Develop and submit code change proposals as needed to correct any issues identified.
Public Input No. 2-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Global Input ]
Throughout standard remove references to the following and replace with thefollowing:
(1) ANSI/UL and replace with UL.
(2) ANSI Z129.1 and replace with ANSI Z400.1/Z129.1.
(3) API # and so on and replace API STD # or API RP #.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Referenced recommended updates to correlate with PI-3 and P1-4.
Related Public Inputs for This Document
Related Input Relationship
Public Input No. 3-NFPA 30A-2015 [SectionNo. 2.3]
Referenced current SDO addresses, standard numbers,names, and years.
Public Input No. 4-NFPA 30A-2015 [SectionNo. D.1.2]
Referenced current SDO addresses, standard numbers,names, and years.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Aaron Adamczyk
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Fri Feb 06 23:51:05 EST 2015
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Public Input No. 39-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 1.1.3 ]
1.1.3*
This code shall not apply to those motor fuel dispensing facilities where only liquefied petroleum gas(LP-Gas), liquefied natural gas (LNG), or compressed natural gas (CNG), or hydrogen is dispensed asmotor fuel.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, is not currently recognized in Chapter 1 Administration yet NFPA 2 contains two chapters on hydrogen fueling facilities (i.e. - Chapter 10 – GH2 Vehicle Fueling Facilities; and Chapter 11 – LH2 Fueling Facilities) as well as a chapter on repair garages servicing hydrogen-fueled vehicles (i.e. - Chapter 18 – Repair Garages). These requirements are contained only in NFPA 2 and nowhere else. Previous text in NFPA 52 has been removed. The Standards Council has revised the Scope of NFPA 52 and removed fueling of hydrogen-fuel cell vehicles (FCV). Therefore, fueling requirements for hydrogen are contained in NFPA 2 and the exclusion of section NFPA 30A 1.1.3 should be extended to hydrogen fueling as well as CNG and LPG.
Related Public Inputs for This Document
Related Input Relationship
Public Input No. 40-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. A.1.1.3]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Wed Jul 01 17:30:24 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 5-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 1.1.3 ]
1.1.3*
This code shall not apply to those motor fuel dispensing facilities where only liquefied petroleum gas(LP-Gas), liquefied natural gas (LNG), or compressed natural gas (CNG), or hydrogen is dispensed asmotor fuel.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA Standard Council has moved all hydrogen requirements from NFPA52 to NFPA2, including those for Motor Fueling Dispensing and Repair Garages. The 2011 version of the NFPA2 code had specific information on Dispensing, but not for Repair Garages (reserved). The 2016 version of NFPA2 will have specific requirements for Repair Garages and will be published prior to NFPA30A. Therefore, in order to prevent conflicting requirements, hydrogen should be excluded from NFPA30A, as is LPG, LNG, and CNG.
Related Public Inputs for This Document
Related Input Relationship
Public Input No. 23-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 12.2.3]
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Submitter Full Name: Spencer Quong
Organization: Quong & Associates Inc.
Affilliation: Toyota
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Public Input No. 41-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.2 ]
2.2 NFPA Publications.
National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471.
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technoloigies Code , 2016 edition.
NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers, 2013 edition.
NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2013 edition.
NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, 2013 edition.
NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2015 edition.
NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment, 2011 edition.
NFPA 33, Standard for Spray Application Using Flammable or Combustible Materials, 2011 edition.
NFPA 51, Standard for the Design and Installation of Oxygen–Fuel Gas Systems for Welding, Cutting, andAllied Processes, 2013 edition.
NFPA 51B, Standard for Fire Prevention During Welding, Cutting, and Other Hot Work, 2014 edition.
NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, 2013 edition.
NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, 2015 edition.
NFPA 55, Compressed Gases and Cryogenic Fluids Code, 2013 edition.
NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, 2014 edition.
NFPA 70® , National Electrical Code®, 2014 edition.
NFPA 72® , National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code, 2013 edition.
NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives, 2013 edition.
NFPA 82, Standard on Incinerators and Waste and Linen Handling Systems and Equipment, 2014 edition.
NFPA 85, Boiler and Combustion Systems Hazards Code, 2011 edition.
NFPA 86, Standard for Ovens and Furnaces, 2015 edition.
NFPA 90A, Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning and Ventilating Systems, 2015 edition.
NFPA 91, Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases, Mists, and NoncombustibleParticulate Solids, 2010 edition.
NFPA 101® , Life Safety Code®, 2015 edition.
NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel–Burning Appliances, 2013 edition.
NFPA 220, Standard on Types of Building Construction, 2015 edition.
NFPA 253, Standard Method of Test for Critical Radiant Flux of Floor Covering Systems Using a RadiantHeat Energy Source, 2011 edition.
NFPA 326, Standard for the Safeguarding of Tanks and Containers for Entry, Cleaning, or Repair, 2010edition.
NFPA 385, Standard for Tank Vehicles for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 2012 edition.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Adds NFPA 2 2016 edition to list of references. NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, is not currently referenced in Section 2.2 NFPA Publications. Terra seems to have added additional underlines but this is the only proposed change.
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Requirements for hydrogen refueling, hydrogen generation, hydrogen fuel cells, hydrogen-fueled vehicles in parking / repair garages, etc. are contained only in NFPA 2 and nowhere else. Previous text in NFPA 52 has been removed. The Standards Council has revised the Scope of NFPA 52 and removed fueling of hydrogen-fuel cell vehicles .
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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.2 ]
2.2 NFPA Publications.
National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471.
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, 2016 edition
NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers, 2013 edition.
NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2013 edition.
NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, 2013 edition.
NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2015 edition.
NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment, 2011 edition.
NFPA 33, Standard for Spray Application Using Flammable or Combustible Materials, 2011 edition.
NFPA 51, Standard for the Design and Installation of Oxygen–Fuel Gas Systems for Welding, Cutting, andAllied Processes, 2013 edition.
NFPA 51B, Standard for Fire Prevention During Welding, Cutting, and Other Hot Work, 2014 edition.
NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, 2013 edition.
NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, 2015 edition.
NFPA 55, Compressed Gases and Cryogenic Fluids Code, 2013 edition.
NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, 2014 edition.
NFPA 70® , National Electrical Code®, 2014 edition.
NFPA 72® , National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code, 2013 edition.
NFPA 80, Standard for Fire Doors and Other Opening Protectives, 2013 edition.
NFPA 82, Standard on Incinerators and Waste and Linen Handling Systems and Equipment, 2014 edition.
NFPA 85, Boiler and Combustion Systems Hazards Code, 2011 edition.
NFPA 86, Standard for Ovens and Furnaces, 2015 edition.
NFPA 90A, Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning and Ventilating Systems, 2015 edition.
NFPA 91, Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases, Mists, and NoncombustibleParticulate Solids, 2010 edition.
NFPA 101® , Life Safety Code®, 2015 edition.
NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel–Burning Appliances, 2013 edition.
NFPA 220, Standard on Types of Building Construction, 2015 edition.
NFPA 253, Standard Method of Test for Critical Radiant Flux of Floor Covering Systems Using a RadiantHeat Energy Source, 2011 edition.
NFPA 326, Standard for the Safeguarding of Tanks and Containers for Entry, Cleaning, or Repair, 2010edition.
NFPA 385, Standard for Tank Vehicles for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 2012 edition.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The reference to NFPA2 is missing. In addition, the NFPA Standard Council has moved all hydrogen requirements from NFPA52 to NFPA2, including those for Motor Fueling Dispensing and Repair Garages. The 2011 version of the NFPA2 had specific information on Dispensing, but not for Repair Garages (reserved). The 2016 version of NFPA2 will have specific requirements for Repair Garages and will be published prior to NFPA30A.
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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.3 ]
2.3 Other Publications.
2.3.1 API Publications.
American Petroleum Institute, 1220 L Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20005-4070.
API 607 API STD 607 , Fire Test for Soft-Seated For Quarter-Turn Valvees And Valves EquippedWith Nonmetallic Seats , 5th 6th edition, June 2005 2010 .
2.3.2 ASTM Publications.
ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.
ASTM D 5 D5 , Standard Test Method of Test for Penetration of Bituminous Materials, 2006 2013 .
ASTM D 56 D56 , Standard Test Method for Flash Point by Tag Closed Cup Tester, 2005, Reappoved2010 .
ASTM D 93 D93 , Standard Test Methods for Flash Point by Pensky-Martens Closed Cup Tester, 2013 e1 .
ASTM D 323 D323 , Standard Method of Test for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method),2008, Reapproved 2014 .
ASTM D 3278 D3278 , Standard Test Methods for Flash Point of Liquids by Small Scale Closed-CupApparatus, 1996, Reapproved 2011 .
ASTM D 3828 D3828 , Standard Test Methods for Flash Point of Liquids by Small Scale Closed Cup Tester,2012.
ASTM D 4359 D4359 , Standard Test for Determining Whether a Material in a Liquid or a Solid, 20061990, Reapproved 2012 .
2.3.3 UL Publications.
Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.
UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products, 2001, Revised 2008.
ANSI/ UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, 2007, Revised 2011 201 4 .
ANSI/ UL 2080, Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 2000.
ANSI/ UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997,Revised 2010.
UL 2245, Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks, 2006.
ANSI/ UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves, 2011, Revised 2012 201 4 .
2.3.4 Other Publications.
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., Springfield, MA, 2003.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Referenced current SDO standard names, and years.
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Public Input No. 4-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. D.1.2]
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Public Input No. 58-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.3.1 ]
2.3.1 API Publications.
American Petroleum Institute, 1220 L Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20005-4070.
API Std 607, Fire Test for Soft-Seated Quarter-Turn Valves , 5th edition, June 2005. and Valves Equippedwith Non-Metallic Seats , 6th edition, 2010
API RP 1626, Storing and Handling of Ethanol and Gasoline-Ethanol Blends at Distribution Terminals andFilling Stations, 2nd Edition 2010 included Errata 1 (2011) and Addendum (2012)
API RP 1646, Safe Work Practices for Petroleum/Convenience Facilities Downstream Segment . 1stEdition, 2006
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
updates and correct referenced standard. Adds two new referenced RPs proposed for addition in this code.
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Public Input No. 80-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.3.3 ]
2.3.3 UL Publications.
Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.
ANSI/ UL 79, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products , 2014
ANSI/UL 79A Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends withNominal Ethanol Concentrations up to 85 Percent (E0 – E85) , 2015
UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products, 2001, Revised 2008.
ANSI/UL 87A, Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/EthanolBlends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85) , 2015
ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids , 2013
UL 330A Outline of Investigation for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Use With Dispensing DevicesDispensing Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends With Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up To 85 Percent(E0 - E85) , 2012
ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-ConnectionFittings for Petroleum Products and LP-Gas , 2014
ANSI/UL 567A Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-ConnectionFittings for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations up to 85 Percent(E0 - E85) , 2015
ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, 2007, Revised 2011.
ANSI/UL 842A Standard for Valves for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal EthanolConcentrations up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85) , 2015
ANSI/UL 2080, Standard for Fire Resistant Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 2000.
ANSI/UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997,Revised 2010.
UL 2245, Standard for Below-Grade Vaults for Flammable Liquid Storage Tanks, 2006.
ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves, 2011, Revised 2012.
ANSI/UL 2586A Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with NominalEthanol Concentrations up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85) , 2015
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
These standards have been added as reference standards in the body of the code, many of them were previously included in the annex. Corresponding code changes propose reference to these standards in the body of the code. This change will now allow them to be enforced rather than suggested to be followed.
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Public Input No. 42-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.4 ]
2.4 References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections.
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code , 2016 edition.
NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2015 edition.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Adds NFPA 2 2016 to the list in section 2.4. No other changes proposed despite what Terra may be showing.
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, is not currently referenced in Section 2.4 References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections. Requirements for hydrogen refueling, hydrogen generation, hydrogen fuel cells, hydrogen-fueled vehicles in parking / repair garages, etc. are contained only in NFPA 2 and nowhere else. Previous text in NFPA 52 has been removed. The Standards Council has revised the Scope of NFPA 52 and removed fueling of hydrogen-fuel cell vehicles (FCV). NFPA 30A contains section that are mandatory per NFPA 2. NFPA 2 is a mandatory reference.
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Public Input No. 38-NFPA 30A-2015[Section No. 7.4.2]
The text proosed in 7.4.2 as well in other sections makes NFPA2 a mandatory reference.
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Public Input No. 63-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 2.4 ]
2.4 References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections.
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code , 2016 edition.
NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2015 edition.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA Standard Council has moved all hydrogen requirements from NFPA52 to NFPA2, including those for Motor Fueling Dispensing and Repair Garages. The 2011 version of the NFPA2 had specific information on Dispensing, but not for Repair Garages (reserved). The 2016 version of NFPA2 will have specific requirements for Repair Garages and will be published prior to NFPA30A. PI 22 makes a mandatory reference to NFPA2.
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Public Input No. 22-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 7.4.2] PI 22 provides a mandatory reference to NFPA2
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Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG & ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
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Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 13:36:55 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 57-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 4.2 ]
4.2 General Requirements.
4.2.1
Liquids shall be stored in the following:
(1) Approved closed containers that do not exceed 227 L (60 gal) capacity and are located outsidebuildings
(2) Tanks or approved closed containers located inside motor fuel dispensing facilities or repair garages
(3) Aboveground tanks, underground tanks, and containers in accordance with the requirements ofSection 4.3
(4) Tanks supplying marine service stations in accordance with Section 11.2
4.2.2
A motor fuel dispensing facility located at a bulk plant shall be separated from areas in which bulk plantoperations are conducted by a fence or other approved barrier. Dispensing devices at the motor fueldispensing facility shall not be supplied by aboveground tanks located in the bulk plant. Storage tanks atmotor fuel dispensing facilities shall not be connected by piping to aboveground tanks located in the bulkplant.
4.2.3
Class I liquids shall not be stored or handled in a building that has a basement or pit into which ignitiblevapors can travel, unless the basement or pit is provided with ventilation that will prevent the accumulation
of vapors. The ventilation system shall be capable of providing at least 0.3 m3/min of exhaust per m2 of
floor area (1 cfm per ft2), but not less than 4 m3/min (150 ft3/min).
4.2.4
Where tanks are at an elevation that produces a gravity head on the dispensing device, the tank outlet shallbe equipped with a device, such as a normally closed solenoid valve, positioned adjacent to anddownstream from the valve specified in 22.13.1 of NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code,that is installed and adjusted so that liquid cannot flow by gravity from the tank if the piping or hose failswhen the dispenser is not in use.
4.2.5
Storage of ethanol and gasoline ethanol blends shll be in coordance with the requirements of API RP 1626.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
adds new section providing for safe handling and storage of ethanol based fuels
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4.3.2.8 Non-metallic tanks manufactured in compliance with and listed to UL SU 2258 shall be applicable inindoor and outdoor aboveground installation for Class II, Class IIIA and Class IIIB liquids. Installation,spacing and venting per the requirements of Section 4.3, Storage of Liquids
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This addition to NFPA 30A would allow tanks manufactured to UL SU 2259 to be applied in combustible liquids storage installations where specified in the scope of SU 2258 supported by extensive and rigorous testing requirements of the standard.
From Subject 2258 Introduction: 1.1 These requirements cover nonmetallic or composite primary, secondary and diked type atmospheric tanks from 60 -660 gallons (227-2500L) intended primarily for the storage and supply of heating fuel for oil burning equipment, or alternately the storage of diesel fuels for compression ignition engines and motor oils (new and used) for automotive service stations, in above ground installations.
With the exception of standards UL 2080 (fire resistant tanks) and UL 2085 (protected tanks), UL SU 2258 would be the only other construction standard for combustible liquid storage with a pool fire test requirement.
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Submitter Full Name: BRUCE STOWE
Organization: ROTH INDUSTRIES INCORPORATED
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Public Input No. 35-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 4.3.6.6 ]
4.3.6.7
All devices and components of the tank and piping system must follow manufactures recommendations forinstallation, calibration, maintenance, etc.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Not enforceable as written. Must have guideline requirements to ensure proper installation and maintenance.
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Submitter Full Name: MARCIA POXSON
Organization: MICHIGAN BUREAU OF FIRE SERVIC
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Public Input No. 36-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 5.7 ]
5.8 Underground Piping.
Underground piping must be approved doublewall with approved monitoring.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Aligns NFPA requirements with federal underground storage tank rules. Requiring monitoring of underground piping would prevent or limit environment exposure and hence, fire potential.
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Submitter Full Name: MARCIA POXSON
Organization: MICHIGAN BUREAU OF FIRE SERVIC
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Public Input No. 79-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 6.2.3 ]
6.2.4
Fuel dispensing systems and components intended for use with ethanol or gasoline/ethanol mixtures aboveE10 shall be listed in accordance with the following standards.
(1) Dispensers: ANSI/UL 87A Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline orGasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85).
(2) Pumps: ANSI/UL 79 Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blendswith Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85).
(3) Hose Assemblies: UL 330A Outline for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Use With Dispensing DevicesDispensing Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends With Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up To 85 Percent(E0 - E85),
(4) Hose Nozzles Valves: UL 2586A Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves for Gasoline and Gasoline/EthanolBlends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85).
(5) Swivel Connectors: UL 567A Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors andPipe-Connection Fittings for Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85Percent (E0 - E85.
(6) Breakaways: UL 567A Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors andPipe-Connection Fittings for Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85Percent (E0 - E85).
(7) Dispenser Emergency Shutoff Valves – UL 842A Standard for Valves for Gasoline and Gasoline/EthanolBlends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85)
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Section 6.2.3 currently requires dispensing equipment intended for use with alcohol-blended motor fuels to be listed or approved for the specific purpose. This was a good requirement when systems and components were not listed for this use. However a new generation of UL standards was developed to evaluate and list the components covered by this section for such use. This proposal provides the code user with references to the standards used to evaluate fuels with ethanol concentrations above E10.
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Public Input No. 78-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 6.2.3 ]
6.2.3 *
Fuel dispensing systems , including dispensers, hoses, nozzles, breakaway fittings, swivels, flexibleconnectors, dispenser emergency shutoff valves, vapor recovery systems, and pumps that are used foralcohol-blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purpose. and components shall belisted in accordance with the following standards, or the standards included in Section 6.2.4:
(1) Dispensers: ANSI/UL 87A Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Petroleum Products.
(2) Pumps: ANSI/UL 79, Standard for Powered-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products.
(3) Hose Assemblies: ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing FlammableLiquids.
(4) Hose Nozzles Valves: ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves.
(5) Swivel Connectors: ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectorsand Pipe-Connection Fittings for Petroleum Products.
(6) Breakaways: ANSI/UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors andPipe-Connection Fittings for Petroleum Products.
(7) Dispenser Emergency Shutoff Valves – ANSI/UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The body of the code stated that specific products were to be listed but there was no listed standard in the body of the code to support the requirement it was located in the Annex, which is unenforceable. This creates an enforcement nightmare because there was a disconnection between what the code demands and the means to attain it. This change resolves that issue.
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Public Input No. 83-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 6.3.2 ]
6.3.2
Dispensing devices for Class I and Class II liquids shall be listed in accordance with ANSI/UL 87AStandard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline or ANSI/UL 87A Standard for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline or Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal EthanolConcentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85) .
6.3.2.1
Existing listed or labeled dispensing devices shall be permitted to be modified provided that themodifications made are “Listed by Report” by an approved testing laboratory or as otherwise approved bythe authority having jurisdiction. Modification proposals shall contain a description of the component partsused in the modification and the recommended methods of installation on specific dispensing devices.Modification proposals shall be made available to the authority having jurisdiction upon request.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This proposal clarifies the standards used to list dispensing devices. In a separate proposal UL 87A was added to Section 2.3.3.
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Submitter Full Name: HOWARD HOPPER
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Public Input No. 14-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 6.4.2 ]
6.4.2
Each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide anaudible or visible indication restricts or shuts off the flow of product. if the piping or a dispenser is leaking.Each leak-detecting device shall be checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturer'sspecifications to ensure proper installation and operation.
Exception: A leak detection device shall not be required if all piping is visible.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A-PC7.pdf 30A PC7
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NOTE: The following Public Input appeared as "Reject but Hold" in Public Comment No. 7 of the A2014 Second Draft Report for NFPA 30A and per the Regs. at 4.4.8.3.1
The wording in this section of the code makes it impossible to comply with. No leak detector installed on the discharge side of the pump provides an audible or visible alarm.
Line leak detectors used on remote submersible pumps are not capable of sounding an audible or visible alarm, they use a pressure differential in the piping to either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser (mechanical line leak detectors) or shut off the flow of product (electronic line leak detectors).
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Submitter FullName:
TC ON AUV-AAA
Organization:NFPA Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations
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Public Comment No. 7-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Section No. 6.4.2 ]
6.4.2
Each pump shall have installed on the discharge side a listed leak detection device that will provide an audible orvisible indication restricts or shuts off the flow of product if the piping or a dispenser is leaking. Eachleak-detecting device shall be checked and tested at least annually according to the manufacturer'sspecifications to ensure proper installation and operation.
Exception : A leak detection device shall not be required if all piping is visible.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A_Ralston_6.4.2.docx Cover Sheet ✓
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
The wording in this section of the code makes it impossible to comply with. No leak detector installed on the discharge side of the pump provides an audible or visible alarm.
Line leak detectors used on remote submersible pumps are not capable of sounding an audible or visible alarm, they use a pressure differential in the piping to either restrict the flow of product to the dispenser (mechanical line leak detectors) or shut off the flow of product (electronic line leak detectors).
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: ALEX RALSTON
Organization: PETCON INC
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Submittal Date: Tue Apr 23 08:30:19 EDT 2013
Committee Statement
CommitteeAction:
Rejected but held
Resolution: Public Comment No. 7 proposes a change to a paragraph in NFPA 30A that was not amended at the FirstDraft stage of this revision cycle. To accept this change would effect an amendment to the Code withoutits having undergone public review and comment. Therefore, in accordance with Paragraphs 4.4.4.2 and4.4.8.3 of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards, the Technical Committee hasvoted to reject Public Comment No. 7 and hold it for processing as a Public Input at the next documentrevision cycle.
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I, ALEX RALSTON, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this PublicComment (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights,including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Comment in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Comment and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 84-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 6.5.1 ]
6.5.1
Listed hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuel. Hose Hose assemblies shall be be listed inaccordance with ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing FlammableLiquids or UL 330A Outline for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Use With Dispensing Devices DispensingGasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends With Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up To 85 Percent (E0 -E85). H ose length at automotive motor fuel dispensing facilities shall not exceed 5.5 m (18 ft). Wherehose length at marine motor fuel dispensing facilities exceeds 5.5 m (18 ft), the hose shall be secured so asto protect it from damage.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This identifies the standards used to investigate and list hose assemblies.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: HOWARD HOPPER
Organization: UL LLC
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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Sections 6.7.1, 6.7.2 ]
Sections 6.7.1, 6.7.2
6.7.1
At attended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to theattendant and labeled with an approved sign stating "EMERGENCY FUEL SHUTOFF" .
6.7.2
At unattended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible topatrons and at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible to each group ofdispensing devices on an individual island. The device(s) or disconnect(s) shall be labeled with anapproved sign stating "EMERGENCY FUEL SHUTOFF".
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A-PC4.pdf NFPA 30A Public Comment 4.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NOTE: The following Public Input appeared as "Reject but Hold" in Public Comment No. 4 of the A2014 Second Draft Report for NFPA 30A and per the Regs. at 4.4.8.3.1.
Shut-offs should be labeled as to their operation so they can be easily identified by attendants and/or patrons that may be required to use them.
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Submitter FullName:
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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Sections 6.7.1, 6.7.2 ]
Sections 6.7.1, 6.7.2
6.7.1
At attended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to theattendant and labeled with an approved sign stating “EMERGENCY FUEL SHUTOFF” . .
6.7.2
At unattended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to patronsand at least one additional device or disconnect shall be readily accessible to each group of dispensing deviceson an individual island. The device(s) or disconnect(s) shall be labeled with an approved sign stating“EMERGENCY FUEL SHUTOFF”.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
Shut-offs should be labeled as to their operation so they can be easily identified by attendants and/or patrons that may be required to use them.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Doug Hohbein
Organization: Northcentral Fire Code Develop
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Submittal Date: Tue Apr 02 22:00:55 EDT 2013
Committee Statement
CommitteeAction:
Rejected but held
Resolution: Public Comment No. 4 proposes a change to a paragraph in NFPA 30A that was not amended at the FirstDraft stage of this revision cycle. To accept this change would effect an amendment to the Code withoutits having undergone public review and comment. Therefore, in accordance with Paragraphs 4.4.4.2 and4.4.8.3 of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards, the Technical Committee hasvoted to reject Public Comment No. 4 and hold it for processing as a Public Input at the next documentrevision cycle.
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I, Doug Hohbein, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this PublicComment (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights,including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Comment in this or another similar or derivative form is used. Ihereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Comment and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.
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Public Input No. 59-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 7.2 ]
TITLE OF NEW CONTENT
Type your content here
7.2.1 Safe Construction Practices
Contractors working at service station facilities shall comply with the requirements of API RP 1646, SafeWork Practices for Contractors Working at Retail Petroleum/Convenience Facilities.
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Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Provides safety requirements for contractors working in service stations
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: RICHARD KRAUS
Organization: APIPETROLEUM SAFETY CONSULTAN
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Public Input No. 45-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.1 ]
7.3.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structureshall be a special purpose industrial occupancy as defined in NFPA 101 , Life Safety Code determined inaccordance with the building code adopted for the jurisdiction .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. Special purpose industrial occupancy is an incorrect classification (see below) and this is a complicated situation best handled by requirements already clearly established in the building code. For most occupancies, adding a motor fuel dispensing facility inside an existing building would cause the MAQ to be exceeded if the storage is also inside, which would cause the occupancy to be a high hazard Group H occupancy and/or invoke additional Protection Level requirement (analogous to Group H) if NFPA 1 were to be enforced. Regardless, a special purpose industrial occupancy has lower egress requirements (not higher) that a standard industrial occupancy so this is not an appropriate occupancy classification.
Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Fuel dispensing facilities do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities:
3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 46-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 7.3.1]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 01 18:35:03 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 46-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.1 ]
7.3.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structureshall be a special purpose an industrial occupancy as defined in NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The change proposed in PI No 45 is preferred over this one but if PI No 45 is rejected (resolved) then this one is my 2nd choice.
Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Fuel dispensing facilities do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities:
3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 45-NFPA 30A-2015 [SectionNo. 7.3.1]
If PI 45 is accepted then this one should be rejected. Andvice-versa.
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Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
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Public Input No. 64-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.1 ]
7.3.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structureshall be a special purpose industrial occupancy as defined in NFPA 101 , Life Safety Code be inaccordance with the building code adopted for the jurisdiction .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. Special purpose industrial occupancy is an incorrect classification (see below) and this is a complicated situation best handled by requirements already clearly established in the building code. For most occupancies, adding a motor fuel dispensing facility inside an existing building would cause the MAQ to be exceeded if the storage is also inside, which would cause the occupancy to be a high hazard Group H occupancy and/or invoke additional Protection Level requirement (analogous to Group H) if NFPA 1 were to be enforced. Regardless, a special purpose industrial occupancy has lower egress requirements (not higher) that a standard industrial occupancy so this is not an appropriate occupancy classification. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Fuel dispensing facilities do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 65-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 7.3.1]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
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Public Input No. 65-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.1 ]
7.3.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structureshall be a special purpose an industrial occupancy as defined in NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
PI 65 should only be considered if PI 64 is rejected. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Fuel dispensing facilities do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 64-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 7.3.1] Optional proposal if PI64 rejected
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
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Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 13:53:24 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 47-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.3 ]
7.3.3 Means of Egress.
In a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structure, the required number,location, and construction of means of egress shall meet all applicable requirements for special purposeindustrial occupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101 , Life Safety Code .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. The building code adopted by the jurisdiction will address egress. This section is not needed. If a jurisdiction uses NFPA 101 for egress, then the conflict between the IBC and NFPA 101 will be addressed in their adopting ordinances (typically by adopting NFPA 101 instead of IBC Ch 10. Either way, this section is not needed and creates conflict as is.
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Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 01 19:02:38 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 48-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.3 ]
7.3.3 Means of Egress.
In a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structure, the required number, location,and construction of means of egress shall meet all applicable requirements for special purpose industrialoccupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Only needed if PI47 is rejected. If PI47 is approve then reject this one.Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Fuel dispensing facilities do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities:
3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 47-NFPA 30A-2015 [SectionNo. 7.3.3]
If PI 47 is approved then this one is not needed and shouldbe rejected.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
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Public Input No. 66-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.3 ]
7.3.3 Means of Egress.
In a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structure, the required number,location, and construction of means of egress shall meet all applicable requirements for special purposeindustrial occupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101 , Life Safety Code .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This section is not needed because occupancy classifications and "means of egress" are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction.If a jurisdiction uses NFPA 101 for egress, then the conflict between the IBC and NFPA 101 will be addressed in their adopting ordinances (typically by adopting NFPA 101 instead of IBC Ch 10. Either way, this section is not needed and creates conflict as is.
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Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
City:
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Public Input No. 67-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.3.3 ]
7.3.3 Means of Egress.
In a motor fuel dispensing facility that is located inside a building or structure, the required number, location,and construction of means of egress shall meet all applicable requirements for special purpose industrialoccupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This PI should only be considered if PI66 is rejected. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Fuel dispensing facilities do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 66-NFPA 30A-2015 [SectionNo. 7.3.3]
PI 67 is an optional proposal only to be considered if PI 66is rejected
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
City:
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Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 14:00:02 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 70-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.1 ]
7.4.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a repair garage shall be a special purpose industrial occupancy as definedin NFPA 101 , Life Safety Code . in accordance with the building code adopted for the jurisdiction
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
PI Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. Special purpose industrial occupancy is an incorrect classification (see below) and this is a complicated situation best handled by requirements already clearly established in the building code. A special purpose industrial occupancy has lower egress requirements (not higher) that a standard industrial occupancy so this is not an appropriate occupancy classification. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
City:
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Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 14:16:40 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 77-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.1 ]
7.4.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a repair garage shall be a special purpose an industrial occupancy asdefined in NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
If the technical committee rejects my preferred option to remove the reference to NFPA101 as proposed in PI 70, then, I propose removing the "special purpose" from industrial occupancies. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrialoccupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to repair garages: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 70-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 7.4.1] Secondary proposal if PI70 is rejected
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 15:01:09 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 81-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.1 ]
7.4.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a repair garage shall be a special purpose industrial occupancy as definedin NFPA 101 , Life Safety Code in accordance with the building code adopted for the jurisdiction .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. Special purposeindustrial occupancy is an incorrect classification (see below) and this is a complicated situation besthandled by requirements already clearly established in the building code. A special purpose industrialoccupancy has lower egress requirements (not higher) that a standard industrial occupancy so this is not anappropriate occupancy classification. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancieswith uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repairgarages do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classifiedas a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that thisclassification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose IndustrialOccupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted inbuildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively lowdensity of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 16:29:34 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 82-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.1 ]
7.4.1 Occupancy Classification.
The occupancy classification of a repair garage shall be a special purpose an industrial occupancy asdefined in NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
If the technical committee rejects my preferred option to remove the reference to NFPA101 as proposed inPI 81, then, I propose removing the "special purpose" from industrial occupancies. Special-purposeindustrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not foroccupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages do not experience uniquely low occupantloads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrialoccupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable torepair garages: 3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in whichordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for,particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with muchof the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 81-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No.7.4.1]
preferred option is in PI 81. This is a secondaryinput
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 16:33:56 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 22-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.2 ]
7.4.2 General Construction Requirements.
In major repair garages, where CNG-fueled vehicles, hydrogen-fueled vehicles, LNG-fueled vehicles, orLP-Gas-fueled vehicles are repaired, all applicable requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous FuelSystems Code, NFPA2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code,whichever is applicable, shall be met.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA Standard Council has moved all hydrogen requirements from NFPA52 to NFPA2, including those for Motor Fueling Dispensing and Repair Garages. The 2011 version of the NFPA2 code had specific information on Dispensing, but not for Repair Garages (reserved). The 2016 version of NFPA2 will have specific requirements for Repair Garages and will be published prior to NFPA30A. Therefore, in order to prevent conflicting requirements, repair garages should reference NFPA2 and not NFPA52.
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Public Input No. 63-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 2.4]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: Toyota
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Fri May 15 03:05:23 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 38-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.2 ]
7.4.2 General Construction Requirements.
In major repair garages, where CNG-fueled vehicles, hydrogen-fueled vehicles, LNG-fueled vehicles, orLP-Gas-fueled vehicles are repaired, all applicable requirements of NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous FuelSystems Code, NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code , or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code,whichever is applicable, shall be met.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Requirements for repair garages servicing hydrogen-fueled vehicles are contained only in NFPA 2 and nowhere else. Previous text in NFPA 52 has been removed. The Standards Council has revised the Scope of NFPA 52 and removed fueling of hydrogen-fuel cell electric vehicles.
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Public Input No. 49-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.3 ]
7.4.3 Means of Egress.
In a repair garage, the required number, location, and construction of means of egress shall meet allapplicable requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101 , Life SafetyCode .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Preferred option.
Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. The building code adopted by the jurisdiction will address egress. This section is not needed. If a jurisdiction uses NFPA 101 for egress, then the conflict between the IBC and NFPA 101 will be addressed in their adopting ordinances (typically by adopting NFPA 101 instead of IBC Ch 10. Either way, this section is not needed and creates conflict as is.
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Public Input No. 50-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.3 ]
7.4.3 Means of Egress.
In a repair garage, the required number, location, and construction of means of egress shall meet allapplicable requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101, Life SafetyCode.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Only needed if PI49 is rejected.
Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages are rather common and do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities:
3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 49-NFPA 30A-2015 [SectionNo. 7.4.3]
If PI49 is accepted then this one PI50 should be rejected -or vice versa.
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Public Input No. 68-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.3 ]
7.4.3 Means of Egress.
In a repair garage, the required number, location, and construction of means of egress shall meet allapplicable requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101 , Life SafetyCode .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This section is not needed because occupancy classifications and "means of egress" are assigned by the building code adopted in a jurisdiction.If a jurisdiction uses NFPA 101 for egress, then the conflict between the IBC and NFPA 101 will be addressed in their adopting ordinances (typically by adopting NFPA 101 instead of IBC Ch 10. Either way, this section is not needed and creates conflict as is.
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Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
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Public Input No. 69-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.3 ]
7.4.3 Means of Egress.
In a repair garage, the required number, location, and construction of means of egress shall meet allapplicable requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies, as set forth in NFPA 101, Life SafetyCode.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This PI should only be considered if PI68 is rejected. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to repair garages: 3.3.190.8.3 Special- Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment
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Public Input No. 68-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 7.4.3] PI69 should only be considered if PI68 is rejected
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Public Input No. 56-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.4 ]
7.4.4 Drainage.
In areas of repair garages used for repair or servicing of vehicles, floor assemblies shall be constructed ofnoncombustible materials or, if combustible materials are used in the assembly, they shall be surfaced withapproved, nonabsorbent, noncombustible material. Exception: Slip-resistant, nonabsorbent, interior floor
finishes having a critical radiant flux not more than 0.45 W/cm 2 (9.87 Btu/in. 2 ), as determined by NFPA253, Standard Method of Test for Critical Radiant Flux of Floor Covering Systems Using a Radiant HeatEnergy Source , shall be permitted
, except as permitted by 7.4.4.3 .
7.4.4.1
Floors shall be liquidtight to prevent the leakage or seepage of liquids and shall be sloped to facilitate themovement of water, fuel, or other liquids to floor drains.
7.4.4.2
In areas of repair garages where vehicles are serviced, any floor drains shall be properly trapped and shalldischarge through an oil/water separator to the sewer or to an outside vented sump.
7.4.4.3 Slip-resistant, nonabsorbent, interior floor finishes having a critical radiant flux not more than 0.45
W/cm2 (9.87 Btu/in. 2 ), as determined by NFPA 253, Standard Method of Test for Critical Radiant
Flux of Floor Covering Systems Using a Radiant Heat Energy Source or by ASTM E648,Standard TestMethod for Critical Radiant Flux of Floor-Covering Systems Using a Radiant Heat Energy Source , shall bepermitted.
(Also ad ASTM E648 2014c into the list of referenced ASTM standards in Chpater 2).
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This public input does two things: (a) adds reference to ASTM E648, which is completely equivalent to NFPA 253 and is used more often and is referenced in most NFPA codes as an acceptable alternative to NFPA 253 and (b) makes the exception into full text language, thus eliminating exceptions wherever possible, as recommended by Standards Council and the Manual of Style.
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Submitter Full Name: MARCELO HIRSCHLER
Organization: GBH INTERNATIONAL
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Public Input No. 51-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.5.3 ]
7.4.5.3
In pits, belowgrade work areas, and subfloor work areas, the required number, location, and construction ofmeans of egress shall meet the requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies in Chapter 40 ofNFPA 101 , Life Safety Code .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Preferred option. Occupancy classifications are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction. The building code adopted by the jurisdiction will address egress. This section is not needed. If a jurisdiction uses NFPA 101 for egress, then the conflict between the IBC and NFPA 101 will be addressed in their adopting ordinances (typically by adopting NFPA 101 instead of IBC Ch 10. Either way, this section is not needed and creates conflict as is.
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Public Input No. 52-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.5.3 ]
7.4.5.3
In pits, belowgrade work areas, and subfloor work areas, the required number, location, and construction ofmeans of egress shall meet the requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies in Chapter 40 ofNFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages are rather common and do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to fuel dispensing facilities:
3.3.190.8.3 Special-Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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If PI 51 is accepted then PI 52 should be rejected andvice versa.
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Public Input No. 71-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.5.3 ]
7.4.5.3
In pits, belowgrade work areas, and subfloor work areas, the required number, location, and construction ofmeans of egress shall meet the requirements for special purpose industrial occupancies in Chapter 40 ofNFPA 101 , Life Safety Code .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This section is not needed because occupancy classifications and "means of egress" are assigned by the Building code adopted in a jurisdiction.If a jurisdiction uses NFPA 101 for egress, then the conflict between the IBC and NFPA 101 will be addressed in their adopting ordinances (typically by adopting NFPA 101 instead of IBC Ch 10. Either way, this section is not needed and creates conflict as is.
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Public Input No. 72-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.5.3 ]
7.4.5.3
In pits, belowgrade work areas, and subfloor work areas, the required number, location, and construction ofmeans of egress shall meet the requirements for special purpose for industrial occupancies in Chapter 40of NFPA 101, Life Safety Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This PI should only be considered if PI71 is rejected. Special-purpose industrial occupancies are intended for occupancies with uniquely low occupant load factors; not for occupancies that perform unique operations. Repair garages do not experience uniquely low occupant loads. In addition, egress may be inadequate if classified as a special purpose industrial occupancy. Refer to definition in NFPA 101 below as evidence that this classification is not applicable to repair garages: 3.3.190.8.3 Special- Purpose Industrial Occupancy. An industrial occupancy in which ordinary and low hazard industrial operations are conducted in buildings designed for, and suitable only for, particular types of operations, characterized by a relatively low density of employee population, with much of the area occupied by machinery or equipment.
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Public Input No. 71-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No.7.4.5.3]
PI 72 should only be considered if PI71 isrejected
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Public Input No. 16-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.6 ]
7.4.6 Fixed Fire Protection.
Automatic sprinkler protection installed in accordance with the requirements of NFPA 13, Standard for theInstallation of Sprinkler Systems, shall be provided in major repair garages, as herein defined, when any ofthe following conditions exist:
(1) The builidng housing the major repair garage is two or more stories in height levels , includingbasements, and any one of the floors exceeds 930
(2) The aggregate area of all levels combined exceeds 1115 m 2 (
10
(3) 12 ,000 ft 2 ).
(4) The major repair garage is one
story
(5) level and
exceeds
(6) exceed 1115 m 2 (12,000 ft 2 ).
(7) The major repair garage is servicing vehicles parked in the basement of the building.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A-PC1.pdf 30A PC #1.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NOTE: The following Public Input appeared as "Reject but Hold" in Public Comment No. 1 of the A2014 Second Draft Report for NFPA 30A and per the Regs. at 4.4.8.3.1.
Subsection 1 should clarify that the requirement applies to the entire building; the entire building does not have to be used as a repair garage to utilize this requirement. The current language of section 1 would allow a large area without sprinkler protection. (Example: 3 story building, 9,000 ft² per floor would not require sprinkler protection)
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Public Comment No. 1-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Section No. 7.4.6 ]
7.4.6 Fixed Fire Protection.
Automatic sprinkler protection installed in accordance with the requirements of NFPA 13, Standard for theInstallation of Sprinkler Systems, shall be provided in major repair garages, as herein defined, when any of thefollowing conditions exist:
(1) The building housing the major repair garage is two or more
stories in height
(1) levels , including basements, and
any one of the floors exceeds 930 m 2 (10,000 ft 2 )
(1) the aggregate area of all levels combined exceeds 12000 ft2 .
(2) The major repair garage is one
story
(1) level and exceeds 1115 m 2 (12,000 ft 2 ).
(2) The major repair garage is servicing vehicles parked in the basement of the building.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
Subsection 1 should clarify that the requirement applies to the entire building; the entire building does not have to be used as a repair garage to utilize this requirement. The current language of section 1 would allow a large area without sprinkler protection. (Example: 3 story building, 9,000 ft² per floor would not require sprinkler protection)
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Committee Statement
CommitteeAction:
Rejected but held
Resolution: Public Comment No. 1 proposes a change to a paragraph in NFPA 30A that was not amended at the FirstDraft stage of this revision cycle. To accept this change would effect an amendment to the Code withoutits having undergone public review and comment. Therefore, in accordance with Paragraphs 4.4.4.2 and4.4.8.3 of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards, the Technical Committee hasvoted to reject Public Comment No. 1 and hold it for processing as a Public Input at the next documentrevision cycle.
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Public Input No. 73-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.7 ]
7.4.7 Gas Detection System.
Repair garages used for repair of vehicle engine fuel systems fueled by non-odorized gases, with theexception of hydrogen, such as hydrogen and non-odorized LNG/CNG, shall be provided with anapproved flammable gas detection system.
7.4.7.1 For repair garages used for the repair of hydrogen-fueled vehicles, the gas detection systemshall be in accordance with NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code
7.4.7.2 System Design.
The flammable gas detection system shall be calibrated to the types of fuels or gases used by vehicles tobe repaired. The gas detection system shall be designed to activate when the level of flammable gasexceeds 25 percent of the lower flammable limit (LFL). Gas detection shall also be provided in lubrication orchassis repair pits of repair garages used for repairing non-odorized LNG/CNG-fueled vehicles.
7.4.7.2 3 Operation.
Activation of the gas detection system shall result in all of the following:
(1) Initiation of distinct audible and visual alarm signals in the repair garage
(2) Deactivation of all heating systems located in the repair garage
(3) Activation of the mechanical ventilation system, when the system is interlocked with gas detection
7.4.7.3 4 Failure of the Gas Detection System.
Failure of the gas detection system shall result in the deactivation of the heating system and activation ofthe mechanical ventilation system and, where the ventilation system is interlocked with gas detection, shallcause a trouble signal to sound in an approved location.
7.4.7.4 5
The circuits of the detection system required by 7.4.7 shall be monitored for integrity in accordance withNFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA Standard Council has moved all hydrogen requirements from NFPA52 to NFPA2, including those for Motor Fueling Dispensing and Repair Garages. The 2011 version of the NFPA2 code had specific information on Dispensing, but not for Repair Garages (reserved). The 2016 version of NFPA2 will have specific requirements for Repair Garages and Gas Detection Systems. NFPA2 will be published prior to NFPA30A. In order to prevent conflicting requirements, the gas detection system requirements for hydrogen should reference NFPA2
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Public Input No. 43-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 7.4.7 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ]
Repair garages used for repair of vehicle engine fuel systems fueled by non-odorized gases with theexception of hydrogen , such as hydrogen and non-odorized LNG/CNG, shall be provided with an approvedflammable gas detection system.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Special requirements for gas detection systems, including when these systems are required and how to install them, have already been developed in NFPA 2 for repair garages servicing hydrogen-fueled vehicles. A new pointer to NFPA 2 is proposed in new section 7.4.7.1.
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Public Input No. 44-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 7.4.7.1 ]
New Section 7.4.7.1 - Renumber subsequent sections
7.4.7.1 For repair garages used for the repair of hydrogen-fueled vehicles, the gas detection system shallbe in accordance with NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Special requirements for gas detection systems, including when these systems are required and how to install them, have already been developed in NFPA 2. This new section points the user to those requirements.
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Public Input No. 43-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No.7.4.7 [Excluding any Sub-Sections]]
adds pointer and makes NFPA 30A complete with theexclusion of hydrogen proposed in PI43.
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Public Input No. 25-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 8.2.1 ]
8.2.1 *
In major repair garages where CNG vehicles are repaired or stored, the area within 455 mm (18 in.) of theceiling shall be designated a Class I, Division 2 hazardous (classified) location.
Exception: In major repair garages, where ventilation equal to not less than four air changes per hour isprovided, this requirement shall not apply.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The existing requirement as stated in 8.2.1 was based on the assumption as noted in Annex A8.2.1 that the creditable release on natural gas from the vehicle would be 150% of the largest on board storage cylinder. The volume released assumption was based on the noted premature failures of thermally activated PRDs (TPRD) experienced in the 1990's. Those TPRDS have gone through at least three generations on new designs and there has not been a documented failure (premature release) from TPRDs since 2002. This stems for the phase out of the older designs for the 1990's and the excellent performance record of the new TPRD designs. With thirteen years of no recorded failures (premature releases) of TPRDs mounted on hundreds of thousands of cylinders indicates that the release hazard covered by 8.2.1 no longer exists. A recent research paper (SAND2014-2342) from SANDIA National Laboratory and funded by the Clean Vehicle Education Foundation has determined that the expected creditable release for both CNG and LNG vehicles is of a much lower volume and dose not pose a hazard for a maintenance facility. The report includes gas dispersion modeling of the creditable releases showing the extent of the ignitable mixture. This modeling of the creditable mixtures indicate that the ignitable concentration is only within a narrow area no more than six feet from the point of release, also the limited volume of release does not allow for an increasing concentration in the ceiling area due to the dispersion of the gas.The full release as as noted in the 1990 assumption was also modeled for background information. The report also indicates that ventilation rates has little or no impact on the volume of ignitable mixture and the dispersion of the released gas.The report will be sent by separate cover as part of this proposal and an electronic copy is available to the TC as needed. The Annex A8.2.1 will need to be deleted and the TC should consider new annex material explaining the realities of creditable releases expected for contemporary facility designs, this information may be considered as Annex material for section 7.6.6 concerning locations of ignitable mixtures. NOTE: SANDIA has proposed a Phase 2 project to refine the assumptions for facility designs and CFD modeling starting in 2016 and would consider input from the NFPA 52 TC together define and understand the potential hazards.
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Public Input No. 27-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 8.3.2 ]
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Table 8.3.2 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring andelectrical utilization equipment where Class I liquids are stored, handled, or dispensed. [See also Figure8.3.2(a) and Figure 8.3.2(b) .]
Table 8.3.2 Class I Locations — Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities
Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Location a
Dispensing device(except overhead type)b,c
Under dispensercontainment
1 1 Entire space within and under dispenser pit orcontainment
Dispenser 2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of dispenser enclosure orthat portion of dispenser enclosure containing liquidhandling components, extending horizontally in alldirections and down to grade level
Outdoor 2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending6 m (20 ft) horizontally in all directions fromdispenser enclosure
Indoor
With mechanicalventilation
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level, extending 6m (20 ft) horizontally in all directions from dispenserenclosure
With gravity ventilation 2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level, extending7.5 m (25 ft) horizontally in all directions fromdispenser enclosure
Dispensing device
(overhead type d )
1 1 Space within dispenser enclosure and all electricalequipment integral with dispensing hose or nozzle
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of dispenser enclosure,extending horizontally in all directions and down tograde level
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending6 m (20 ft) horizontally in all directions from a pointvertically below edge of dispenser enclosure
Repair garage, major e
(where Class I liquids orgaseous fuels are
transferred or dispensed f )(see 3.3.12.1 and 8.3.1)
1 1 Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area,or subfloor work area that is not ventilated
2 2 Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area,or subfloor work area that is provided with
ventilation of at least 0.3 m 3 /min/m 2 (1
ft 3 /min/ft 2 ) of floor area, with suction taken from apoint within 300 mm (12 in.) of floor level (see7.4.5.4)
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level of the room,except as noted below, for entire floor area
Unclassified Unclassified Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level of the roomwhere room is provided with ventilation of at least
0.3 m 3 /min/m 2 (1 ft 3 /min/ft 2 ) of floor area, withsuction taken from a point within 300 mm (12 in.) offloor level
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Location a
2 2 Within 0.9 m (3 ft) of any fill or dispensing point,extending in all directions
Specific areas adjacent toclassified locations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locations whereflammable vapors are not likely to be released, suchas stock rooms, switchboard rooms, and othersimilar locations, where mechanically ventilated at arate of four or more air changes per hour ordesigned with positive air pressure or whereeffectively cut off by walls or partitions
Repair garage, minor e
(where Class I liquids orgaseous fuels are not
transferred or dispensed f )(see 3.3.12.2 and 8.3.1)
2 2 Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area,or subfloor work area that is not ventilated
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level, extending0.9 m (3 ft) horizontally in all directions fromopening to any pit, belowgrade work area, orsubfloor work area that is not ventilated
Unclassified Unclassified Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area,or subfloor work area that is provided with
ventilation of at least 0.3 m 3 /min/m 2 (1
ft 3 /min/ft 2 ) of floor area, with suction taken from apoint within 300 mm (12 in.) of floor level (see7.4.5.4)
Specific areas adjacent toclassified locations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locations whereflammable vapors are not likely to be released, suchas stock rooms, switchboard rooms, and othersimilar locations, where mechanically ventilated at arate of four or more air changes per hour ordesigned with positive air pressure, or whereeffectively cut off by walls or partitions
Repair garage, major e
(where lighter-than-air
gaseous fueled g vehiclesare repaired or stored)(see 3.3.12.1)
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of ceiling, except as notedbelow
Unclassified Unclassified Within 450 mm (18 in.) of ceiling where ventilation
of at least 0.3 m 3 /min/m 2 (1 ft 3 /min/ft 2 ) of floorarea, with suction taken from a point within 450 mm(18 in.) of the highest point in the ceiling
Specific areas adjacent toclassified locations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locations whereflammable vapors are not likely to be released, suchas stock rooms, switchboard rooms, and othersimilar locations, where mechanically ventilated at arate of four or more air changes per hour ordesigned with positive air pressure, or whereeffectively cut off by walls or partitions
Remote pump
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Location a
Outdoor 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box below grade level,any part of which is within 3 m (10 ft) horizontallyfrom any edge of pump
2 2 Within 900 mm (3 ft) of any edge of pump,extending horizontally in all directions
2 2 Up to 450 m (18 in.) above grade level, extending 3m (10 ft) horizontally in all directions from any edgeof pump
Indoor 1 1 Entire space within any pit
2 2 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of any edge of pump, extendingin all directions
2 2 Up to 900 mm (3 ft) above floor level, extending 7.5m (25 ft) horizontally in all directions from any edgeof pump
Sales, storage, rest rooms(including structures [suchas the attendant’s kiosk]on or adjacent todispensers)
Unclassified Unclassified Except as noted below
1 1 Entire volume, if there is any opening to room withinthe extent of a Division 1 or Zone 1 location
2 2 Entire volume, if there is any opening to room withinthe extent of a Division 2 or Zone 2 location
Tank, aboveground
(tanks not directlyrelated to fueling asdetailed in table 8.3.2band section 4.3.2)
Inside tank 1 0 Entire inside volume
Shell, ends, roof, dike area 1 1 Entire space within dike, where dike height exceedsdistance from tank shell to inside of dike wall formore than 50 percent of tank circumference
2 2 Entire space within dike, where dike height does notexceed distance from tank shell to inside of dikewall for more than 50 percent of tank circumference
2 2 Within 3 m (10 ft) of shell, ends , or roof of tank
Vent 1 1 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of open end of vent, extending inall directions
2 2 Between 1.5 m and 3 m (5 ft and 10 ft) from openend of vent, extending in all directions
Tank, underground
Inside tank 1 0 Entire inside volume
Fill opening 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box below grade level,any part of which is within a Division 1 or Division 2classified location or within a Zone 1 or Zone 2classified location
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending1.5 m (5 ft) horizontally in all directions from anytight-fill connection and extending 3 m (10 ft)
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Location a
horizontally in all directions from any loose-fillconnection
Vent 1 1 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of open end of vent, extending inall directions
2 2 Between 1.5 m and 3 m (5 ft and 10 ft) from openend of vent, extending in all directions
Vapor processing system
Pits 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box below grade level,any part of which: (1) is within a Division 1 orDivision 2 classified location; (2) is within a Zone 1or Zone 2 classified location; (3) houses anyequipment used to transfer or process vapors
Equipment in protectiveenclosures
2 2 Entire space within enclosure
Equipment not withinprotective enclosure
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of equipment containingflammable vapors or liquid, extending horizontally inall directions and down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 m (18 in.) above grade level within 3 m(10 ft) horizontally of the vapor processingequipment
Equipment enclosure 1 1 Entire space within enclosure, if flammable vapor orliquid is present under normal operating conditions
2 2 Entire space within enclosure, if flammable vapor orliquid is not present under normal operatingconditions
Vacuum assist blower 2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of blower, extendinghorizontally in all directions and down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending3 m (10 ft) horizontally in all directions
Vault 1 1 Entire interior space, if Class I liquids are storedwithin
aFor marine application, grade level means the surface of a pier, extending down to water level.
bRefer to Figures 8.3.2(a) and 8.3.2(b) for illustrations of classified locations around dispensing devices.
cArea classification inside the dispenser enclosure is covered in UL 87, Standard for Power-OperatedDispensing Devices for Petroleum Products.
dCeiling-mounted hose reel.
eThe terms repair garage, major and repair garage, minor are intended to correlate with Article 511.3 ofNFPA 70, National Electrical Code. For the purposes of application of this table, these terms do not includeassociated floor space used for offices, parking, or showrooms.
fIncludes draining of Class I liquids from vehicles.
gIncludes fuels such as hydrogen and natural gas, but not LPG.
Figure 8.3.2(a) Classified Areas Adjacent to Dispensers.
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Figure 8.3.2(b) Classified Areas Adjacent to Dispenser Mounted on Aboveground Storage Tank.
Exception: The extent of the classified area around a vacuum-assist blower shall be permitted to bereduced if the blower is specifically listed for such reduced distances.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Table 8.3.2 seems to conflict with the use of an AST in conjunction with a dispensing device when it comes to the definition of hazardous zones. Table 8.3.3(b) shows zones that are not near as large as those shown for ASTs in 8.3.2 with no clear definition to the differences. The only clue is that in 8.3.2 it refers to dikes around the tanks which would seem to indicate large storage tanks. This large zone around the tank can impact the hazardous classification required for the dispenser.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: RANDY MOSES
Organization: WAYNE FUELING SYSTEMS LLC
Street Address:
City:
State:
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Public Input No. 53-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 8.3.2 ]
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Table 8.3.2 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring andelectrical utilization equipment where Class I liquids are stored, handled, or dispensed. [See also Figure8.3.2(a) and Figure 8.3.2(b) .]
Table 8.3.2 Class I Locations — — Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities
Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(Group IIA)Extent of Classified Locationa
Dispensing device(except overhead
type) b,c
Under dispensercontainment
1 1 Entire space within and under dispenserpit or containment
Dispenser 2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of dispenserenclosure or that portion of dispenserenclosure containing liquid handlingcomponents, extending horizontally in alldirections and down to grade level
Outdoor 2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level,extending 6 m (20 ft) horizontally in alldirections from dispenser enclosure
Indoor
With mechanicalventilation
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level,extending 6 m (20 ft) horizontally in alldirections from dispenser enclosure
With gravity ventilation 2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level,extending 7.5 m (25 ft) horizontally in alldirections from dispenser enclosure
Dispensing device
(overhead typed)
1 1 Space within dispenser enclosure and allelectrical equipment integral withdispensing hose or nozzle
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of dispenserenclosure, extending horizontally in alldirections and down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level,extending 6 m (20 ft) horizontally in alldirections from a point vertically belowedge of dispenser enclosure
Repair garage, majore (where Class Iliquids or gaseousfuels are transferred
or dispensedf) (see3.3.12.1 and 8.3.1)
1 1 Entire space within any pit, belowgradework area, or subfloor work area that isnot ventilated
2 2 Entire space within any pit, belowgradework area, or subfloor work area that isprovided with ventilation of at least 0.3
m3/min/m2 (1 ft3/min/ft2) of floor area,with suction taken from a point within300 mm (12 in.) of floor level (see7.4.5.4)
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(Group IIA)Extent of Classified Locationa
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor levelof the room, except as noted below, forentire floor area
Unclassified Unclassified Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor levelof the room where room is provided with
ventilation of at least 0.3 m3/min/m2 (1
ft3/min/ft 2) of floor area, with suctiontaken from a point within 300 mm (12 in.)of floor level
2 2 Within 0.9 m (3 ft) of any fill ordispensing point, extending in alldirections
Specific areasadjacent to classifiedlocations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locationswhere flammable vapors are not likely tobe released, such as stock rooms,switchboard rooms, and other similarlocations, where mechanically ventilatedat a rate of four or more air changes perhour or designed with positive airpressure or where effectively cut off bywalls or partitions
Repair garage, minore (where Class Iliquids or gaseousfuels are nottransferred or
dispensedf) (see3.3.12.2 and 8.3.1)
2 2 Entire space within any pit, belowgradework area, or subfloor work area that isnot ventilated
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level,extending 0.9 m (3 ft) horizontally in alldirections from opening to any pit,belowgrade work area, or subfloor workarea that is not ventilated
Unclassified Unclassified Entire space within any pit, belowgradework area, or subfloor work area that isprovided with ventilation of at least 0.3
m3/min/m2 (1 ft3/min/ft2) of floor area,with suction taken from a point within300 mm (12 in.) of floor level (see7.4.5.4)
Specific areasadjacent to classifiedlocations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locationswhere flammable vapors are not likely tobe released, such as stock rooms,switchboard rooms, and other similarlocations, where mechanically ventilatedat a rate of four or more air changes perhour or designed with positive airpressure, or where effectively cut off bywalls or partitions
Repair garage,
major e (wherelighter-than-air
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of ceiling, exceptas noted below
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(Group IIA)Extent of Classified Locationa
gaseous fueled g
vehicles are repairedor stored) (see3.3.12.1)
Unclassified Unclassified Within 450 mm (18 in.) ofceiling where ventilation of
at least 0.3 m 3 /min/m 2 (1
ft 3 /min/ft 2 ) of floor area,with suction taken from apoint within 450 mm (18 in.)of the highest point in theceiling
Specific areasadjacent to classifiedlocations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locationswhere flammable vapors are not likely tobe released, such as stock rooms,switchboard rooms, and other similarlocations, where mechanically ventilatedat a rate of four or more air changes perhour or designed with positive airpressure, or where effectively cut off bywalls or partitions
Remote pump
Outdoor 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box belowgrade level, any part of which is within 3m (10 ft) horizontally from any edge ofpump
2 2 Within 900 mm (3 ft) of any edge ofpump, extending horizontally in alldirections
2 2 Up to 450 m (18 in.) above grade level,extending 3 m (10 ft) horizontally in alldirections from any edge of pump
Indoor 1 1 Entire space within any pit
2 2 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of any edge of pump,extending in all directions
2 2 Up to 900 mm (3 ft) above floor level,extending 7.5 m (25 ft) horizontally in alldirections from any edge of pump
Sales, storage, restrooms (includingstructures [such asthe attendant’sattendant’s kiosk] onor adjacent todispensers)
Unclassified Unclassified Except as noted below
1 1 Entire volume, if there is any opening toroom within the extent of a Division 1 orZone 1 location
2 2 Entire volume, if there is any opening toroom within the extent of a Division 2 or
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(Group IIA)Extent of Classified Locationa
Zone 2 location
Tank, aboveground
Inside tank 1 0 Entire inside volume
Shell, ends, roof, dikearea
1 1 Entire space within dike, where dikeheight exceeds distance from tank shellto inside of dike wall for more than 50percent of tank circumference
2 2 Entire space within dike, where dikeheight does not exceed distance fromtank shell to inside of dike wall for morethan 50 percent of tank circumference
2 2 Within 3 m (10 ft) of shell, ends , or roofof tank
Vent 1 1 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of open end of vent,extending in all directions
2 2 Between 1.5 m and 3 m (5 ft and 10 ft)from open end of vent, extending in alldirections
Tank, underground
Inside tank 1 0 Entire inside volume
Fill opening 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box belowgrade level, any part of which is within aDivision 1 or Division 2 classified locationor within a Zone 1 or Zone 2 classifiedlocation
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level,extending 1.5 m (5 ft) horizontally in alldirections from any tight-fill connectionand extending 3 m (10 ft) horizontally inall directions from any loose-fillconnection
Vent 1 1 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of open end of vent,extending in all directions
2 2 Between 1.5 m and 3 m (5 ft and 10 ft)from open end of vent, extending in alldirections
Vapor processingsystem
Pits 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box belowgrade level, any part of which: (1) iswithin a Division 1 or Division 2 classifiedlocation; (2) is within a Zone 1 or Zone 2classified location; (3) houses anyequipment used to transfer or processvapors
Equipment inprotective enclosures
2 2 Entire space within enclosure
Equipment not withinprotective enclosure
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of equipmentcontaining flammable vapors or liquid,extending horizontally in all directions
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(Group IIA)Extent of Classified Locationa
and down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 m (18 in.) above grade levelwithin 3 m (10 ft) horizontally of the vaporprocessing equipment
Equipment enclosure 1 1 Entire space within enclosure, ifflammable vapor or liquid is presentunder normal operating conditions
2 2 Entire space within enclosure, ifflammable vapor or liquid is not presentunder normal operating conditions
Vacuum assist blower 2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of blower,extending horizontally in all directionsand down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level,extending 3 m (10 ft) horizontally in alldirections
Vault 1 1 Entire interior space, if Class I liquids arestored within
aFor marine application, grade level means the surface of a pier, extending down to water level.
bRefer to Figures 8.3.2(a) and 8.3.2(b) for illustrations of classified locations around dispensing devices.
cArea classification inside the dispenser enclosure is covered in UL 87, Standard for Power-OperatedDispensing Devices for Petroleum Products.
dCeiling-mounted hose reel.
eThe terms repair garage, major and repair garage, minor are intended to correlate with Article 511.3 ofNFPA 70, National Electrical Code. For the purposes of application of this table, these terms do not includeassociated floor space used for offices, parking, or showrooms.
fIncludes draining of Class I liquids from vehicles.
g Includes fuels such as hydrogen and natural gas, but not LPG.
Figure 8.3.2(a) Classified Areas Adjacent to Dispensers.
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Figure 8.3.2(b) Classified Areas Adjacent to Dispenser Mounted on Aboveground Storage Tank.
Exception: The extent of the classified area around a vacuum-assist blower shall be permitted to bereduced if the blower is specifically listed for such reduced distances.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The intent here is to delete reference to gaseous fuels in Table 8.3.2. Hope Terra shows that correctly.
Section 8.3.2 refers only to class I liquids not gaseous fuels so the table exceeds its charging statement (8.3.2) by including gaseaous fuels. Also the requirements for hydrogen are included in NFPA 2.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
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Public Input No. 74-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 8.3.2 ]
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Table 8.3.2 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purposes of installing electrical wiring andelectrical utilization equipment where Class I liquids are stored, handled, or dispensed. [See also Figure8.3.2(a) and Figure 8.3.2(b) .]
Table 8.3.2 Class I Locations — Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities
Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Locationa
Dispensing device (except
overhead type) b,c
Under dispensercontainment
1 1 Entire space within and under dispenser pit orcontainment
Dispenser 2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of dispenser enclosure or thatportion of dispenser enclosure containing liquidhandling components, extending horizontally in alldirections and down to grade level
Outdoor 2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending 6m (20 ft) horizontally in all directions from dispenserenclosure
Indoor
With mechanicalventilation
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level, extending 6m (20 ft) horizontally in all directions from dispenserenclosure
With gravity ventilation 2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level, extending 7.5m (25 ft) horizontally in all directions from dispenserenclosure
Dispensing device
(overhead typed)
1 1 Space within dispenser enclosure and all electricalequipment integral with dispensing hose or nozzle
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of dispenser enclosure,extending horizontally in all directions and down tograde level
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending 6m (20 ft) horizontally in all directions from a pointvertically below edge of dispenser enclosure
Repair garage, major e
(where Class I liquids orgaseous fuels are
transferred or dispensedf)(see 3.3.12.1 and 8.3.1)
1 1 Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area, orsubfloor work area that is not ventilated
2 2 Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area, orsubfloor work area that is provided with ventilation of
at least 0.3 m3/min/m2 (1 ft3/min/ft2) of floor area,with suction taken from a point within 300 mm (12 in.)of floor level (see 7.4.5.4)
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level of the room,except as noted below, for entire floor area
Unclassified Unclassified Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level of the roomwhere room is provided with ventilation of at least 0.3
m3/min/m2 (1 ft3/min/ft 2) of floor area, with suctiontaken from a point within 300 mm (12 in.) of floor level
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Locationa
2 2 Within 0.9 m (3 ft) of any fill or dispensing point,extending in all directions
Specific areas adjacent toclassified locations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locations whereflammable vapors are not likely to be released, suchas stock rooms, switchboard rooms, and other similarlocations, where mechanically ventilated at a rate offour or more air changes per hour or designed withpositive air pressure or where effectively cut off bywalls or partitions
Repair garage, minor e
(where Class I liquids orgaseous fuels are not
transferred or dispensedf)(see 3.3.12.2 and 8.3.1)
2 2 Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area, orsubfloor work area that is not ventilated
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above floor level, extending 0.9m (3 ft) horizontally in all directions from opening toany pit, belowgrade work area, or subfloor work areathat is not ventilated
Unclassified Unclassified Entire space within any pit, belowgrade work area, orsubfloor work area that is provided with ventilation of
at least 0.3 m3/min/m2 (1 ft3/min/ft2) of floor area,with suction taken from a point within 300 mm (12 in.)of floor level (see 7.4.5.4)
Specific areas adjacent toclassified locations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locations whereflammable vapors are not likely to be released, suchas stock rooms, switchboard rooms, and other similarlocations, where mechanically ventilated at a rate offour or more air changes per hour or designed withpositive air pressure, or where effectively cut off bywalls or partitions
Repair garage, major e
(where lighter-than-air
gaseous fueled g vehiclesare repaired or stored)(see 3.3.12.1)
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of ceiling, except as notedbelow
Unclassified Unclassified Within 450 mm (18 in.) of ceiling where ventilation of
at least 0.3 m3/min/m2 (1 ft3/min/ft2) of floor area,with suction taken from a point within 450 mm (18 in.)of the highest point in the ceiling
Specific areas adjacent toclassified locations
Unclassified Unclassified Areas adjacent to classified locations whereflammable vapors are not likely to be released, suchas stock rooms, switchboard rooms, and other similarlocations, where mechanically ventilated at a rate offour or more air changes per hour or designed withpositive air pressure, or where effectively cut off bywalls or partitions
Remote pump
Outdoor 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box below grade level,any part of which is within 3 m (10 ft) horizontally fromany edge of pump
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Locationa
2 2 Within 900 mm (3 ft) of any edge of pump, extendinghorizontally in all directions
2 2 Up to 450 m (18 in.) above grade level, extending 3 m(10 ft) horizontally in all directions from any edge ofpump
Indoor 1 1 Entire space within any pit
2 2 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of any edge of pump, extending inall directions
2 2 Up to 900 mm (3 ft) above floor level, extending 7.5 m(25 ft) horizontally in all directions from any edge ofpump
Sales, storage, rest rooms(including structures [suchas the attendant’s kiosk]on or adjacent todispensers)
Unclassified Unclassified Except as noted below
1 1 Entire volume, if there is any opening to room withinthe extent of a Division 1 or Zone 1 location
2 2 Entire volume, if there is any opening to room withinthe extent of a Division 2 or Zone 2 location
Tank, aboveground
Inside tank 1 0 Entire inside volume
Shell, ends, roof, dike area 1 1 Entire space within dike, where dike height exceedsdistance from tank shell to inside of dike wall for morethan 50 percent of tank circumference
2 2 Entire space within dike, where dike height does notexceed distance from tank shell to inside of dike wallfor more than 50 percent of tank circumference
2 2 Within 3 m (10 ft) of shell, ends , or roof of tank
Vent 1 1 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of open end of vent, extending in alldirections
2 2 Between 1.5 m and 3 m (5 ft and 10 ft) from open endof vent, extending in all directions
Tank, underground
Inside tank 1 0 Entire inside volume
Fill opening 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box below grade level,any part of which is within a Division 1 or Division 2classified location or within a Zone 1 or Zone 2classified location
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending1.5 m (5 ft) horizontally in all directions from anytight-fill connection and extending 3 m (10 ft)horizontally in all directions from any loose-fillconnection
Vent 1 1 Within 1.5 m (5 ft) of open end of vent, extending in alldirections
2 2 Between 1.5 m and 3 m (5 ft and 10 ft) from open endof vent, extending in all directions
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Class I
LocationDivision
(Group D)
Zone
(GroupIIA)
Extent of Classified Locationa
Vapor processing system
Pits 1 1 Entire space within any pit or box below grade level,any part of which: (1) is within a Division 1 or Division2 classified location; (2) is within a Zone 1 or Zone 2classified location; (3) houses any equipment used totransfer or process vapors
Equipment in protectiveenclosures
2 2 Entire space within enclosure
Equipment not withinprotective enclosure
2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of equipment containingflammable vapors or liquid, extending horizontally inall directions and down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 m (18 in.) above grade level within 3 m (10ft) horizontally of the vapor processing equipment
Equipment enclosure 1 1 Entire space within enclosure, if flammable vapor orliquid is present under normal operating conditions
2 2 Entire space within enclosure, if flammable vapor orliquid is not present under normal operatingconditions
Vacuum assist blower 2 2 Within 450 mm (18 in.) of blower, extendinghorizontally in all directions and down to grade level
2 2 Up to 450 mm (18 in.) above grade level, extending 3m (10 ft) horizontally in all directions
Vault 1 1 Entire interior space, if Class I liquids are storedwithin
aFor marine application, grade level means the surface of a pier, extending down to water level.
bRefer to Figures 8.3.2(a) and 8.3.2(b) for illustrations of classified locations around dispensing devices.
cArea classification inside the dispenser enclosure is covered in UL 87, Standard for Power-OperatedDispensing Devices for Petroleum Products.
dCeiling-mounted hose reel.
eThe terms repair garage, major and repair garage, minor are intended to correlate with Article 511.3 ofNFPA 70, National Electrical Code. For the purposes of application of this table, these terms do not includeassociated floor space used for offices, parking, or showrooms.
fIncludes draining of Class I liquids from vehicles.
g Includes fuels such as hydrogen and natural gas, but not LPG.
Figure 8.3.2(a) Classified Areas Adjacent to Dispensers.
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Figure 8.3.2(b) Classified Areas Adjacent to Dispenser Mounted on Aboveground Storage Tank.
Exception: The extent of the classified area around a vacuum-assist blower shall be permitted to bereduced if the blower is specifically listed for such reduced distances.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The start of 8.3.2, clearly states that Table 8.3.2 "where Class I liquids are stored, handled, or dispensed." Therefore, all references to gaseous fuels should be deleted. The electrical classification requirements for gaseous fuels are listed in NFPA52 (CNG) and NFPA2 (Hydrogen) and the requirements for gaseous fuels in 8.3.2 creates a conflict
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Public Input No. 33-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 9.2.2.2 ]
9.2.2.2.1
Separation of delivery vehicle from tank can be through the use of a protected tank, remote fill or barrierwall to meet separtion distance from storage tank.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Fire safety. Need to keep vehicle away from tank. As written, 9.2.2.2 is not enforceable. The "honor" system does not work.
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Submitter Full Name: MARCIA POXSON
Organization: MICHIGAN BUREAU OF FIRE SERVIC
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Public Input No. 17-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 9.2.5.4 ]
9.2.5.5* Display of Materials. The storage or placement for display or sale of combustibles shall beprohibited within 20 feet of a fuel dispenser.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A-PC2.pdf 30A Public Comment 2.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NOTE: The following Public Input appeared as "Reject but Hold" in Public Comment No. 2 of the A2014 Second Draft Report for NFPA 30A and per the Regs. at 4.4.8.3.1.
Display material obstructs the view of the attendant and adds a fuel load that is not needed in the area of the fuel dispensers.
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TC ON AUV-AAA
Organization:NFPA Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine ServiceStations
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Public Comment No. 2-NFPA 30A-2013 [ New Section after 9.2.5.4 ]
9.2.5.5* Display of Materials. The storage or placement for display or sale ofcombustibles shall be prohibited within 20 feet of a fuel dispenser.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
Display material obstructs the view of the attendant and adds a fuel load that is not needed in the area of the fuel dispensers.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Doug Hohbein
Organization: Northcentral Fire Code Develop
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Submittal Date: Tue Apr 02 21:58:08 EDT 2013
Committee Statement
CommitteeAction:
Rejected but held
Resolution: Public Comment No. 2 proposes a change to a paragraph in NFPA 30A that was notamended at the First Draft stage of this revision cycle. To accept this change would effectan amendment to the Code without its having undergone public review and comment.Therefore, in accordance with Paragraphs 4.4.4.2 and 4.4.8.3 of the RegulationsGoverning the Development of NFPA Standards, the Technical Committee has voted toreject Public Comment No. 2 and hold it for processing as a Public Input at the nextdocument revision cycle.
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Public Input No. 32-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after 9.3 ]
9.2.9 Fuel Pad
Fuel pad must be an impervious surface.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
The addition of this requirement, impervious fuel pad, would eliminate most contamination incidents, and fire hazards associated with motor fueling.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARCIA POXSON
Organization: MICHIGAN BUREAU OF FIRE SERVIC
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Public Input No. 37-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 9.4.2 ]
9.4.2
There shall be at least one attendant on duty while the self-service facility is open for business. Theattendant’s primary function shall be to supervise, observe, and control the dispensing of
Class I
liquids while said liquids are being dispensed.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
the attendant must monitor ALL dispensing at a facility, not just Class I dispensing. If the intent was to not have attendant monitor diesel fueling, the reason escapes this fire marshal division.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARCIA POXSON
Organization: MICHIGAN BUREAU OF FIRE SERVIC
Street Address:
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Public Input No. 85-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 10.2.2 ]
10.2.2
Hose nozzle valves used on vapor recovery systems shall be listed for the purpose in accordance withANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valve or ANSI/UL 2586A Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves forGasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85) .for the purpose. .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This proposal clarifies the standards used to list hose nozzle valves.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: HOWARD HOPPER
Organization: UL LLC
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Public Input No. 86-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 11.4.1 ]
11.4.1
All hose shall be listed in accordance with ANSI/UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies forDispensing Flammable Liquids or UL 330A Outline for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Use WithDispensing Devices Dispensing Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends With Nominal EthanolConcentrations Up To 85 Percent (E0 - E85) . Where hose length exceeds 5.5 m (18 ft), the hose shall besecured so as to protect it from damage.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This identifies the standards used to list hose.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: HOWARD HOPPER
Organization: UL LLC
Street Address:
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Public Input No. 87-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 11.9.4 ]
11.9.4
The dispensing nozzle shall be a listed, Dispensing nozzles shall be of the automatic-closing type withouta latch-open device and shall be listed in accordance with ANSI/UL 2586, Standard for Hose NozzleValves or UL 2586A Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends withNominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0 - E85) .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This identifies the standards used to list dispensing nozzles.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: HOWARD HOPPER
Organization: UL LLC
Street Address:
City:
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Public Input No. 23-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 12.2.3 ]
12.2.3
Dispensing devices for CNG, LNG, hydrogen, and LP-Gas shall be listed.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Section 1.1.3 excludes LPG, LNG, and CNG from the scope of NFPA30A. This section conflicts with the scope exclusion and should be deleted.
Related Public Inputs for This Document
Related Input Relationship
Public Input No. 5-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 1.1.3] PI 5 excludes hydrogen from NFPA30A
Public Input No. 75-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No. 12.2.3]
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Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
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Public Input No. 75-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 12.2.3 ]
12.2.3
Dispensing devices for CNG, LNG, hydrogen, and LP-Gas shall be listed or approved .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This proposal should only be considered if PI23 is rejected. Due to the limited number of suppliers and products, many of the components used on hydrogen dispensingare not listed. These components have been tested to ensure they meet industry standards, but have not gone through the certification process. The "approval" option is key to ensure that approved components can be used when a listed one is not available.
Related Public Inputs for This Document
Related Input Relationship
Public Input No. 23-NFPA 30A-2015 [Section No.12.2.3]
PI75 should only be considered if PI23 isrejected
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Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
City:
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Public Input No. 24-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 12.2.4 ]
12.2.4
Listed or approved hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuel. Hose length at automotive motor fueldispensing facilities shall not exceed 5.5 m (18 ft).
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Due to the limited number of suppliers and products, many of the components used on hydrogen dispensing are not listed. These components have been tested to ensure they meet industry standards, but have not gone through the certification process. The "approval" option is key to ensure that approved components can be used when a listed one is not available.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: SPENCER QUONG
Organization: QUONG ASSOCIATES INC
Affilliation: TOYOTA
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Fri May 15 03:29:32 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 54-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 12.2.4 ]
12.2.4
Listed or approved hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuel. Hose length at automotive motor fueldispensing facilities shall not exceed 5.5 m (18 ft).
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Due to the limited number of suppliers and products, many of the components used on hydrogen dispensingare not listed. These components have been tested to ensure they are safe, but have not gone through thecertification process. The "approval" option is key to ensure that safe, approved components can be usedwhen a listed one is not available.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 01 19:49:25 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 55-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 12.2.4 ]
12.2.4
Listed or approved hose assemblies shall be used to dispense fuel. Hose length at automotive motor fueldispensing facilities shall not exceed 5.5 m (18 ft).
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Due to the limited number of suppliers and products, many of the components used on hydrogen dispensing are not listed. These components have been tested to ensure they are safe, but have not gone through the certification process. The "approval" option is key to ensure that safe, approved components can be used when a listed one is not available.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARTIN GRESHO
Organization: FP2 FIRE INC
Street Address:
City:
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Submittal Date: Thu Jul 02 12:36:26 EDT 2015
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Public Input No. 20-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 12.6.2 ]
12.6.2*
Table 12.6.2 shall be used to delineate and classify areas for the purpose of installation of electrical wiringand electrical utilization equipment.
Table 12.6.2 Electrical Equipment Classified Areas for Dispensing Devices
Extent of Classified Area
Dispensing
Device
Class I,
Division 1
Class I,
Division 2
Compressed
natural gas(CNG)
Entire space within the dispenser enclosure1.5 m (5 ft) in all directions fromdispenser enclosure
Liquefied
natural gas(LNG)
Entire space within the dispenser enclosure3 m (10 ft) in all directions from thedispenser enclosure
Liquefied
petroleum gas(LP-Gas)
Entire space within the dispenser enclosure; 46 cm (18in.) from the exterior surface of the dispenserenclosure to an elevation of 1.22 m (4 ft) above thebase of the dispenser; the entire pit or open spacebeneath the dispenser and within 6 m (20 ft)horizontally from any edge of the dispenser when thepit or trench is not mechanically ventilated
Up to 46 cm (18 in.) above groundand within 6 m (20 ft) horizontallyfrom any edge of the dispenserenclosure, including pits ortrenches within this area whenprovided with adequate mechanicalventilation
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A_TIA_15-1.pdf TIA 15-1. Issue Date: March 14, 2014
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This public input originates from Tentative Interim Amendment 15-1 (Log #1126) issued by the Standards Council on March 14, 2014 and per the NFPA Regs., needs to be reconsidered by the Technical Committee for the next edition of the Document.
TIA Submitter’s Substantiation: Chapter 12 of NFPA 30A provides certain provisions for alternative vehicle fuels, including compressed natural gas (CNG), liquefied natural gas (LNG), hydrogen H2, and liquefied petroleum gas (LPG). As part of these provisions, Chapter 12 mandates compliance with NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, and NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, except as modified by the chapter to accommodate dispensing of traditional liquid fuels (gasoline, diesel fuel).
At the First Draft stage for the 2015 edition of NFPA 30A, Public Input No. 21 proposed the above amendment in order to make the information specific to LNG consistent with NFPA 52. The resolution of this public input was to establish a Task Group to review Chapter 12 of NFPA 30A to confirm that existing requirements did not conflict with the other documents and to identify appropriate new requirements to address any provisions that were not consistent. The Task Group was asked to review several Public Inputs to Chapter 12, in addition to No. 21.
At the Second Draft stage, Second Revision No. 4 proposed amending Table 12.6.2 so that the Class I, Division 1 classification applied only to the interior of an LNG dispenser and the Class I, Division 2 classification applied outside the dispenser enclosure, out to a distance of 3 m (10 ft). During the transcription process, the text under the column heading “Class I, Division 1” that was supposed to have been deleted was not deleted. Consequently, the entry for LNG applies both Class I, Division 1 and Class I, Division 2 designations to the area within 1.5 m (5 ft)
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of the dispenser enclosure.
Emergency Nature: If this error is not corrected, then Table 12.6.2 will apply conflicting area classification designations to the zone between the dispenser enclosure out to a distance of 1.5 m (5 ft). Electrical inspectors will be in a quandary as to which designation truly applies. Designers and installers will be faced with the same problem. Also, a potential conflict will exist between Table 12.6.2 and NFPA 52, as the latter classifies only the interior of the dispenser enclosure as Class I, Division 1.
Acceptance of this Tentative Interim Amendment will allow the 2015 edition of NFPA 30A to be published correctly.
This Tentative Interim Amendment is submitted in accordance with Section 5.3, Evaluation of Emergency Nature, Sub-Paragraph (a): NFPA standard contains an error or omission that was overlooked during a regular revision process.
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Tentative Interim Amendment
NFPA® 30A Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages
2015 Edition Reference: Table 12.6.2 TIA 15-1 (SC 14-3-5/TIA Log #1126) Note: Text of the TIA issued and incorporated into the text of Table 12.6.2, therefore no separate publication is necessary. 1. In Table 12.6.2, amend the electrical area classification provisions for liquefied natural gas (LNG) as follows:
Table 12.6.2 Electrical Equipment Classified Areas for Dispensing Devices
Extent of Classified Area
Dispensing Device
Class I, Division 1
Class I, Division 2
Compressed natural gas (CNG)
Entire space within the dispenser enclosure 1.5 m (5 ft) in all directions from dispenser enclosure
Liquefied natural gas (LNG)
Entire space within the dispenser enclosure 3 m (10 ft) in all directions from the dispenser enclosure
Liquefied petroleum gas (LP-Gas)
Entire space within the dispenser enclosure; 46 cm (18 in.) from the exterior surface of the dispenser enclosure to an elevation of 1.22 m (4 ft) above the base of the dispenser; the entire pit or open space beneath the dispenser and within 6 m (20 ft) horizontally from any edge of the dispenser when the pit or trench is not mechanically ventilated
Up to 46 cm (18 in.) above ground and within 6 m (20 ft) horizontally from any edge of the dispenser enclosure, including pits or trenches within this area when provided with adequate mechanical ventilation
Issue Date: March 14, 2014 Effective Date: March 29, 2014
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Public Input No. 34-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 13.2.3.6 ]
13.2.3.6
Tanks shall be located outside and at least 12 m (40 ft) from any important building and property line .Tanks shall also be located so that any vehicle, equipment, or container that is filled directly from the tanksis at least 12 m (40 ft) from any important building.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
confusion as to locating storage system on property. Previous version of 30A spelled out distance from building and property line.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: MARCIA POXSON
Organization: MICHIGAN BUREAU OF FIRE SERVIC
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Public Input No. 19-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 13.2.3.9 ]
13.2.3.9
Tanks that have top openings only shall be mounted and equipped as follows:
(1)
(2) Movable tanks shall be equipped with attached metal legs that rest on shoes or runners designed sothat the tank is supported in a stable position and so that the tank and its supports can be moved as asingle unit.
(3) Tanks shall be equipped with a tightly and permanently attached approved pumping device having anapproved hose and nozzle.
(4) Each component of dispensing systems for Class I liquids shall be listed.
(5) The dispenser nozzle and hose shall be designed so they can be padlocked to the hanger to preventtampering.
(6) The pump discharge shall be equipped with an effective anti-siphoning device, or the discharge hoseshall be equipped with an approved self-closing nozzle.
(7) Siphons or internal pressure discharge devices shall be prohibited.
(8) Tanks shall have non-porous containment protection = 1/2 of the total volume of the tank.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved
30A-PC5.pdf Public Comment #5.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NOTE: The following Public Input appeared as "Reject but Hold" in Public Comment No. 5 of the A2014 Second Draft Report for NFPA 30A and per the Regs. at 4.4.8.3.1.
Due to the lack of local enforcement on farms and remote areas, the requirement for capture of flammable liquids must be required to contain and prevent potential fires to humans, grass, equipment, buildings, and out structures that may be located adjacent to such tanks. Protection of the surrounding area and ground water from flammable liquids will increase overall safety.
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Submittal Date: Thu Apr 09 10:56:13 EDT 2015
* Stationary tanks shall be mounted on concrete, steel, or masonry supports at least 150 mm (6 in.)in height so as to protect the bottom of the tank from corrosion due to contact with the ground and tomaintain the tank in a stable position.
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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 30A-2013 [ Section No. 13.2.3.9 ]
13.2.3.9
Tanks that have top openings only shall be mounted and equipped as follows:
(1)
(2) Movable tanks shall be equipped with attached metal legs that rest on shoes or runners designed so thatthe tank is supported in a stable position and so that the tank and its supports can be moved as a singleunit.
(3) Tanks shall be equipped with a tightly and permanently attached approved pumping device having anapproved hose and nozzle.
(4) Each component of dispensing systems for Class I liquids shall be listed.
(5) The dispenser nozzle and hose shall be designed so they can be padlocked to the hanger to preventtampering.
(6) The pump discharge shall be equipped with an effective anti-siphoning device, or the discharge hose shallbe equipped with an approved self-closing nozzle.
(7) Siphons or internal pressure discharge devices shall be prohibited.
(8) Tanks shall have non-porous containment protection equal ½ of the total volume of the tank.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
Due to the lack of local enforcement on farms and remote areas, the requirement for capture of flammable liquids must be required to contain and prevent potential fires to humans, grass, equipment, buildings, and out structures that may be located adjacent to such tanks. Protection of the surrounding area and ground water from flammable liquids will increase overall safety.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Doug Hohbein
Organization: Northcentral Fire Code Develop
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Tue Apr 02 22:03:05 EDT 2013
Committee Statement
CommitteeAction:
Rejected but held
Resolution: Public Comment No. 5 proposes a change to a paragraph in NFPA 30A that was not amended at the FirstDraft stage of this revision cycle. To accept this change would effect an amendment to the Code withoutits having undergone public review and comment. Therefore, in accordance with Paragraphs 4.4.4.2 and4.4.8.3 of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards, the Technical Committee hasvoted to reject Public Comment No. 5 and hold it for processing as a Public Input at the next documentrevision cycle.
* Stationary tanks shall be mounted on concrete, steel, or masonry supports at least 150 mm (6 in.) inheight so as to protect the bottom of the tank from corrosion due to contact with the ground and tomaintain the tank in a stable position.
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Public Input No. 88-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. 13.2.3.9 ]
13.2.3.9
Tanks that have top openings only shall be mounted and equipped as follows:
(1)
(2) Movable tanks shall be equipped with attached metal legs that rest on shoes or runners designed sothat the tank is supported in a stable position and so that the tank and its supports can be moved as asingle unit.
(3) Tanks shall be equipped with a tightly and permanently attached approved pumping device having anapproved hose and nozzle.
(4) Each component of dispensing systems for Class I liquids shall be listed in accordance with ANSI/UL79, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products, UL 87, Standard forPower-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products or UL Subject 87A, Outline ofInvestigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends withNominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85) .
(5) The dispenser nozzle and hose shall be designed so they can be padlocked to the hanger to preventtampering.
(6) The pump discharge shall be equipped with an effective anti-siphoning device, or the discharge hoseshall be equipped with an approved self-closing nozzle.
(7) Siphons or internal pressure discharge devices shall be prohibited.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
This proposal identifies the standards used to list the dispensing devices that can be utilized in this application.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: HOWARD HOPPER
Organization: UL LLC
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Mon Jul 06 16:59:36 EDT 2015
* Stationary tanks shall be mounted on concrete, steel, or masonry supports at least 150 mm (6 in.)in height so as to protect the bottom of the tank from corrosion due to contact with the ground and tomaintain the tank in a stable position.
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Public Input No. 40-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. A.1.1.3 ]
A.1.1.3
See NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code, and NFPA58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, for requirements for facilities where only these fuels are dispensed.Forfacilities where multiple fuel types are dispensed, the requirements of each applicable code shall apply.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, is not currently recognized in Chapter 1 Administration yet NFPA 2 contains two chapters on hydrogen fueling facilities (i.e. - Chapter 10 – GH2 Vehicle Fueling Facilities; and Chapter 11 – LH2 Fueling Facilities) as well as a chapter on repair garages servicing hydrogen-fueled vehicles (i.e. - Chapter 18 – Repair Garages). These requirements are contained only in NFPA 2 and nowhere else. Previous text in NFPA 52 has been removed. The Standards Council has revised the Scope of NFPA 52 and removed fueling of hydrogen-fuel cell vehicles (FCV).
Also, new text has been added to clarify that the application of multiple codes is required when multiple fuel types are utilized.
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A.1.1.3
See NFPA NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, NFPA 52, Vehicular Gaseous Fuel Systems Code,and NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, for requirements for facilities where only these fuels aredispensed. For facilities where multiple fuel types are dispensed, the requirements of each applicablecode shall apply.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
NFPA 2, Hydrogen Technologies Code, is not currently recognized in Chapter 1 Administration yet NFPA 2 contains two chapters on hydrogen fueling facilities (i.e. - Chapter 10 – GH2 Vehicle Fueling Facilities; and Chapter 11 – LH2 Fueling Facilities) as well as a chapter on repair garages servicing hydrogen-fueled vehicles (i.e. - Chapter 18 – Repair Garages). These requirements are contained only in NFPA 2 and nowhere else. Previous text in NFPA 52 has been removed. The Standards Council has revised the Scope of NFPA 52 and removed fueling of hydrogen-fuel cell vehicles (FCV). Also, new text has been added to clarify that the application of multiple codes is required when multiple fuel types are utilized.
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Public Input No. 18-NFPA 30A-2015 [ New Section after A.9.2.5.4 ]
A.9.2.5.5 Many self-service stations display items such as wood, bagged ground cover, cartons ofconsumable products and other combustibles that create vision obstructions, excessive fire load and otherhazards in and around dispensing islands and pumps.
Additional Proposed Changes
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30A-PC3.pdf NFPA 30A Public Comment 3.
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NOTE: The following Public Input appeared as "Reject but Hold" in Public Comment No. 3 of the A2014 Second Draft Report for NFPA 30A and per the Regs. at 4.4.8.3.1.
Display material obstructs the view of the attendant and adds a fuel load that is not needed in the area of the fuel dispensers.
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TC ON AUV-AAA
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Public Comment No. 3-NFPA 30A-2013 [ New Section after A.9.2.5.4 ]
A.9.2.5.5 Many self-service stations display items such as wood, bagged ground cover,cartons of consumable products and other combustibles that create vision obstructions,excessive fire load and other hazards in and around dispensing islands and pumps.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
Display material obstructs the view of the attendant and adds a fuel load that is not needed in the area of the fuel dispensers.
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Committee Statement
CommitteeAction:
Rejected but held
Resolution: Public Comment No. 3 proposes a change to a paragraph in NFPA 30A that was notamended at the First Draft stage of this revision cycle. To accept this change would effectan amendment to the Code without its having undergone public review and comment.Therefore, in accordance with Paragraphs 4.4.4.2 and 4.4.8.3 of the RegulationsGoverning the Development of NFPA Standards, the Technical Committee has voted toreject Public Comment No. 3 and hold it for processing as a Public Input at the nextdocument revision cycle. The Technical Committee also points out that, as submitted, thisPublic Comment would add an annex statement to a paragraph that does not exist. TheTechnical Committee suggests that the submitter resubmit this change as a Public Inputduring the next document revision cycle and to either resubmit it in the form a coderequirement or identify an appropriate code section to which the annex statement can beconnected.
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Public Input No. 4-NFPA 30A-2015 [ Section No. D.1.2 ]
D.1.2 Other Publications.
D.1.2.1 ANSI Publications.
American National Standards Institute, Inc., 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor, New York, NY 10036.
ANSI Z400.1/ Z129.1, Hazardous Industrial Chemicals—Precautionary Labeling, 2005 WorkplaceChemicals - Hazard Evaluation Safety Data Sheet and Precautionary LabellingPreparation, 2010 .
D.1.2.2 API Publications.
American Petroleum Institute, 1220 L Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20005-4070.
API RP 1621, Recommended Practice for Bulk Liquid Stock Control at Retail Outlets, 1993, reaffirmed2012 .
D.1.2.3 PEI Publications.
Petroleum Equipment Institute, P.O. Box 2380, Tulsa, OK 74101–2380.
PEI RP200, Recommended Practices for Installation of Aboveground Storage Systems for Motor VehicleFueling , 1996 2013 .
PEI RP500, Recommended Practices for Inspection and Maintenance of Motor Fuel DispensingEquipment , 2005 2011 .
D.1.2.4 STI/SPFA Publications.
Steel Tank Institute/Steel Plate Fabricators Association , 944 Donata Court, Lake Zurich, IL 60047.
STI RP 01-69, Recommended Practice for SP0169 , Control of External Corrosion of Underground orSubmerged Metallic Piping Systems. (This is a NACE document)
STI RP 892-91 , Recommended Practice for Corrosion Protection of Underground Piping NetworksAssociated with Liquid Storage and Dispensing Systems , 2012 .
STI RP 1632, Cathodic Protection of Underground Petroleum Storage Tanks and Piping Systems. (This isan API recommended Practice)
D.1.2.5 SwRI Publications.
Southwest Research Institute, 6220 Culebra Road, P.O. Drawer 28510, San Antonio, TX 78228-0510.
SwRI 93, Testing Requirements for Protected Aboveground Flammable Liquid Fuel Storage Tanks, 2001edition.
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D.1.2.6 UL Publications.
Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.
ANSI/ UL 79, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products, 2005, Revised2010 201 4 .
UL 87, Standard for Power-Operated Pumps for Petroleum Dispensing Products, 2001 200 1 , Revised2008.
UL Subject 87A Outline , Outline of Investigation for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline andGasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Ethanol Concentrations Up to 85 Percent (E0-E85), 2010 201 4 .
ANSI/ UL 330, Standard for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids, 2009, Revised2011 201 4 .
ANSI/ UL 567, Standard for Emergency Breakaway Fittings, Swivel Connectors and Pipe-ConnectionFittings for Petroleum Products and LP-Gas, 2003, Revised 2011 2014 .
ANSI/ UL 842, Standard for Valves for Flammable Fluids, 2007, Revised 2011 201 4 .
ANSI/ UL 2085, Standard for Protected Aboveground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1997,Revised 2010.
ANSI/ UL 2586, Standard for Hose Nozzle Valves, 2011, Revised 2012 201 4 .
D.1.2.7 U.S. Government Publications.
U.S. Government Printing Government Publishing Office, Washington, DC 20402.
DOT HM-181, Basis Hazmat Employee Training Program.
Title 29, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 1910.106.
Title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, Parts 171 and 173.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
Referenced current SDO standard numbers, names, and years.
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Referenced current SDO addresses, standard numbers,names, and years.
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D.1.2.2 API Publications.
American Petroleum Institute, 1220 L Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20005-4070.
API RP 1621, Recommended Practice for Bulk Liquid Stock Control at Retail Outlets, 5th Edition 1993.(Reaffirmed 2012)
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
provides correct title and edition
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Submitter Full Name: RICHARD KRAUS
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Proposed TIA to NFPA 30A-2008:
1. Add a new definition of “alcohol blended motor fuel” to read:
“3.3.X* Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel. Motor fuel consisting of a blend of alcohol, such as ethanol, and gasoline with an alcohol concentration greater than 10 percent by volume, including those with nominally 85-percent ethanol / 15-percent unleaded gasoline (E85).”
2. Add a new Subsection 6.2.3 and accompanying annex item to read:
"6.2.3* Fuel-dDispensing systems devices and related dispensing equipment, including dispensers, hoses, nozzles, breakaway fittings, swivels, flexible connectors, dispenser emergency shutoff valves, and vapor recovery systems and pumps that are used for alcohol blended motor fuels shall be listed or approved for the specific purpose.”
“A.6.2.3 The majority of existing dispensers and related dispensing equipment are listed by UL for fuels up to E10 (i.e., 10% alcohol/90% gasoline blend). More recently, UL has begun listing dispensing devices for alcohol blended fuels up to E25 (i.e., 25% alcohol/75% gasoline blend) and E-85 (i.e., 85% alcohol/15% gasoline blend) (See UL SU87A, Outline for Power-Operated Dispensing Devices for Gasoline and Gasoline/Ethanol Blends with Nominal Concentrations up to 85 percent). While the existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently in service at motor fuel dispensing facilities are listed for use with fuels up to E-10, they are not listed for use with alcohol blended motor fuels (i.e., greater than 10% alcohol/90% gasoline blend). A significant consideration for approval of existing equipment for mid-level alcohol blended fuels such as E-15 (i.e., 15% alcohol/85% gasoline blend) is that mid-level alcohol blended fuels, if approved by USEPA, may likely become a replacement for current motor fuels either through state or federal mandates or supply chain restrictions. The availability of dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment listed for alcohol blended motor fuel is currently limited and listing for alcohol blended fuels will not be retroactive to existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment. In order to maintain the supply of motor fuel, this may require the sale of this fuel through existing dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment.
To address this issue, the authority having jurisdiction is provided with the ability to approve dispensing devices and related dispensing equipment currently listed for use with E-10 for mid-level alcohol blended motor fuels service (e.g. E-15). When approving a dispensing device or related dispensing equipment for use with alcohol blended motor fuels, the authority having jurisdiction may take into account other factors including, but not be limited to, actual field experience, more frequent inspection of the equipment, information from the manufacturer of the equipment, or evidence of compatibility and/or functionality by government agencies, trade associations, testing laboratories.” 3. Add a new entry to Table B.1, Typical Flammable and Combustible Liquids Found at Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities, to read: :
“Alcohol Blended Motor Fuel / -40 °F – 55 °F / Class IB / varies / —“
Submitter’s Reason: The purpose of the Tentative Interim Amendment is to incorporate into the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages, a
new provision, one that is being simultaneously proposed by the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations in the upcoming 2012 edition of NFPA 30A, that This will allow the application of the provision in jurisdictions that are currently and might be in the near future still subject to the 2008 edition of the Code.
Technical Validity: The proposal in question provides a means for the authority having jurisdiction to approve equipment for so called mid-level ethanol-blended fuel service (i.e., above 10 percent ethanol) dispensing equipment that is not currently listed for such use, as is required by the 2008 edition of NFPA 30A. Recognize that this equipment is currently listed for use with ethanol/gasoline blends containing up to 10 percent ethanol (E10).
It is left to the authority having jurisdiction to determine the factors to be considered in approving this equipment for use with higher (>10%) percentages of ethanol. The proposed annex provides guidance for the authority having jurisdiction. This guidance along with the leak detection requirements required under NFPA 30 and NFPA 30A and the USEPA underground storage tank regulations provide a level of assurance that potential issues associated with this equipment will be identified and resolved without incidentThese may include, but not be limited to, actual field experience, certification by the manufacturer of the equipment, additional equipment and controls, more frequent inspection of the equipment, or evidence of compatibility and/or functionality by government agencies, trade associations, testing laboratories, or any combination of these.
Emergency Nature: It is the submitter’s position that this TIA meets the criterion of Section 5.2(e) of the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects for emergency nature. The U. S. Environmental Protection Agency has already approved the use of E85 in flex-fuel vehicles. It is anticipated that they will approve the use of mid-level ethanol blends (>10% but <85%) by mid-summer 2010. This leaves an even greater gap in the coverage of this equipment by NFPA 30A without this TIA. In addition, authorities having jurisdiction might be under legislative pressure to unilaterally approve equipment to store, meter, and dispense mid-level ethanol blends into vehicles based on the fact that the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency has approved such blends for use in most of the nation’s vehicles. The intent is to provide the means for the authority having jurisdiction to grant equivalency or an alternative, while still being protective of human health and the environment.
LL #75
Tank-nically Speaking
by Marcel Moreau
Are Two Poppets Better Than One?
Crash valves installed at the base of dispensers are supposed to stop the flow of fuel from the
submersible pump when a vehicle hits the dispenser. Yet…
In New York State this past July (2014), a driver, suffering from a medical condition,
plowed into a dispenser at a high rate of speed. A substantial fire erupted immediately
and was beginning to engulf the passenger compartment of the car when an off duty
policeman, who was filling up nearby, bravely pulled the unconscious driver to safety
(and then ran back to retrieve the ammunition in the trunk of his car before his vehicle
was engulfed in flames.) But for the courage of the bystander, the driver would have
been toast. (To view surveillance camera footage of this incident, go to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0huLvek6I0&list=PLD185CA6C7ACA4E45&inde
x=51)
In Washington State (2012), a driver maneuvering at a gas station backed into a dispenser
and knocked it over. Flames erupted as the driver drove away. The fire continued to
burn for some time. (To view surveillance camera footage of this accident go to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL360th3mFI&list=PLD185CA6C7ACA4E45&inde
x=40)
In Maine (2004), the inebriated driver of a pickup truck crashed into a dispenser, which
immediately erupted into flames. The driver backed up and drove away. A couple
fueling their car at a nearby dispenser ran for safety. An automatic fire suppression
system eventually put the fire out, but not before the flexible piping in the sump beneath
the dispenser had been substantially damaged by the heat. If an alert operator had not
activated the emergency stop switch to shut down the submersible pumps, the fire could
have been catastrophic. (To watch the video go to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgTBtwoo1io&index=45&list=PLD185CA6C7ACA
4E45)
In each of these incidents, the single-poppet crash valves functioned as designed. Flow
from the submersible pump was stopped and no geysers of gasoline erupted from the dispenser
islands. But there were still serious fires that could have resulted in serious injuries or death.
How come?
Alas, the Single-Poppet Crash Valve
When a single-poppet crash valve shears, the valve mechanism in the bottom half of the crash
valve closes and stops the flow of fuel from the submersible pump. But the fuel already in the
dispenser can flow out into the environment because the top part of the crash valve contains no
valve mechanism.
How much fuel can be released? It depends on the dispenser design, but for dispensers
with three products on each side, there could be as many as six filters, six meters, six hoses, plus
tens of feet of tubing connecting all these components, potentially releasing several gallons of
gasoline. When the vapor from the spilled gasoline encounters broken electrical wires, sparks
from scraping metal, or hot components of the vehicle engine, the likelihood of a fire is high.
The result? Serious fires that cause significant damage and sometimes kill or severely injure
people.
Is There a Better Way?
A quarter century ago, at the request of oil companies seeking to limit the damage resulting from
vehicle/dispenser crashes, petroleum equipment manufacturers introduced the double-poppet
crash valve. The bottom half of the valve is identical to the single-poppet version of the crash
valve. The difference is in the upper half. In the double-poppet design, the upper portion of the
crash valve contains another valve mechanism that remains open as long as the crash valve
remains intact. When the crash valve activates in an accident, the upper poppet closes and the
gasoline in the dispenser components is contained.
Using double-poppet crash valves seems like a no-brainer in terms of safety. The
additional cost seems easily justifiable as well, because the cost of repairing extensive fire
damage from even one event will pay for the extra cost of a lot of double-poppet crash valves.
Despite the apparent advantages, fire codes and industry recommended practices (with one
exception) are silent on the advantages of double-poppet crash valves:
American Petroleum Institute Recommended Practice 1615, Installation of Petroleum
Storage Systems, states, “Double poppet or secondarily contained double poppet impact
(shear) valves should be considered for additional safety.” (API 1615 sixth edition, April
2011, p. 41).
PEI RP 100, Recommended Practices for Installation of Underground Liquid Storage
Systems, is silent on the matter. (PEI RP 100-11, p. 25).
The International Fire Code also does not indicate a preference for either single- or
double-poppet crash valves (IFC 2009, Section 2206.7.4).
NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages, (the code
that has required the installation of crash valves since 1966) is also silent as to which type
of crash valve to use (NFPA 30A, 2012 edition, Section 6.3.9).
The NFPA Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook, which provides
background information and additional commentary concerning the code requirements, explains
that the NFPA Technical Committee does not recommend double-poppet crash valves because
some members of the Committee believe that these valves pose a hazard to emergency response
personnel. According to the Handbook, the concern is that if there is a fire surrounding the
dispenser, the fuel trapped inside the dispenser could “forcefully rupture,” endangering
emergency response personnel who might be working to control the fire (Flammable and
Combustible Liquids Code Handbook, 2012 Edition, p. 515). This has been the position of the
NFPA Technical Committee since at least the 1996 edition of the NFPA Handbook (Flammable
and Combustible Liquids Code Handbook, 1996 Edition, p. 404).
But is the scenario envisioned by the NFPA Technical Committee realistic? In other
words, do dispensers equipped with double-poppet crash valves commonly blow up when they
are hit and a fire results? Because a large number of double-poppet crash valves have been in
service for many years now, we should be able to answer this question. What has been the
experience of people who have used double-poppet crash valves as standard equipment for many
years?
To help answer this question, I sought the help of my colleague Ben Thomas of ????,
who has a vast network of contacts in the UST world. Here’s what we found.
Larry Gregory, who was responsible for Exxon’s gas stations on a global scale until a few
years ago, reports that he specified double-poppet valves immediately after they were
introduced. He is a firm believer in their ability to reduce fires when dispensers are hit
and reports that he has never heard of an incident where a dispenser equipped with a
double-poppet crash valve blew up.
An east coast petroleum marketer with well over a 1,000 stations has also equipped his
facilities with double-poppet crash valves for many years. He reports that on average he
sees a dispenser accident about once a week, but despite hundreds of dispenser impacts in
recent years, he has not had any fires that resulted from these incidents.
Another east coast petroleum marketer with several hundred gas stations uses double-
poppet crash valves exclusively and has thousands in service. These stations typically
experience one or two dispenser accidents a month, but in the past 18 years, there have
only been four fires. In one incident that resulted in a fire, the fire chief’s report
concluded that the fuel that ignited came from the vehicle and not the dispenser. This
company has never experienced a dispenser explosion.
John Albert, who administers Missouri’s tank program, reports that dispensers in
Missouri with non-metallic product piping must either have double-poppet crash valves
or fire extinguishers installed in a sump beneath the dispenser. The rules reflect John’s
experience that double-poppet crash valves greatly limit the potential for fires when
dispensers are hit. “We’ve had many dispensers get hit over the past 25 years, but very
few fires,” says John. He is aware of the differing points of view among fire officials but
has never had a dispenser explode because of a double-poppet crash valve. “My
experience is that the soft seals in the meter and filter are the first things to fail in a fire
scenario. This results in a slow release of product, but no explosion.”
OPW is a major manufacturer of both single- and double-poppet crash valves for use not
only in North America but also throughout the world. Glenn Eckart of OPW told us that
the OPW double-poppet shear valve has incorporated a pressure relief feature since it was
first introduced in the late 1980s. Since they were first manufactured in the late 1980s,
no one at OPW can recall ever receiving a report of a dispenser equipped with a double-
poppet crash valve exploding.
These anecdotal reports from a variety of knowledgeable people clearly point to the advantages
of double-poppet crash valves and provide no support for the NFPA position that these valves
pose a threat to emergency response personnel. We e-mailed Robert Benedetti, Principal
Flammable Liquids Engineer at NFPA, to ask whether they knew of any incidents where the
“forceful rupture” of a dispenser equipped with a double-poppet crash valve had actually
occurred. Mr. Benedetti replied,
This issue of single versus double poppet valves came up several editions of the code ago. At the time, the Technical Committee discussed this issue with respect to fire suppression activities. As I recall, the fire service representatives on the Technical Committee were leery of a fire beneath a dispenser whose components contained liquid that was “locked in.” This issue has never been brought up since. If experience shows otherwise, then all that needs to be done is for someone to submit a proposal to amend NFPA 30A to allow the double poppet design.
Bottom Line?
You guessed it. We believe that double-poppet crash valves have clear safety advantages over
the single-poppet versions and their use should be at least a recommended practice if not an
outright requirement. While some well-informed petroleum marketers are already using double-
poppet crash valves, many marketers who are not aware of the added safety provided by double-
poppet valves continue to specify the single-poppet versions. This substantially increases the
risk that fires will result when dispensers are hit and people will get seriously hurt. Our goal in
writing this article is to educate the UST community about this issue and to encourage UST
owners to seriously consider double-poppet shear valves as a means to limiting liability, limiting
damage, and ultimately, saving lives.
Oh, and we do plan to submit a comment to amend the next edition of NFPA 30A.
If you have a shear valve story you’d like to share showing how single- or double-poppet shear
valves did or did not save the day, we’d love to hear from you. Contact Ben Thomas at
ben@usttraining.com or Marcel Moreau at marcel.moreau@juno.com.
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You Say Crash, I Say Shear
The crash valves in this article are called different names around the country. What do YOU call
them?
Crash valve
Shear valve
Fire valve
Impact valve
Emergency shutoff valve
Earthquake valve
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Crash Valve Musts
While crash valves are the wallflowers of the UST world, waiting patiently for their turn to save
the day, they must not be ignored. Crash valves are critical pieces of UST safety equipment that
must be properly installed and maintained if they are to do their job. Here are some basics:
They must be rigidly anchored to the island and properly fastened to the dispenser
They must be installed at the proper height relative to the dispenser island
They should be tested for operation annually
Fittings tightness testers install in the test plug opening of the valves must NOT be left in
place when the tightness test is completed.
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From: Benedetti, BobSent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:09 PMTo: Benedetti, BobSubject: NFPA 30A Agenda - Double-Poppet Crash Valves
From: Wayne Geyer [mailto:wgeyer@steeltank.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 11:31 AM To: Benedetti, Bob Subject: FW: Do Double‐Poppet Crash Valves Work?
Interesting! Wayne
From: UST Training [mailto:Ben.Thomas=USTtraining.com@mail3.wdc03.rsgsv.net] On Behalf Of UST Training Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 4:59 AM To: Wayne Geyer Subject: Do Double-Poppet Crash Valves Work?
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Calling all customers and friends: We are
conducting a survey about UST safety and need
your help!
As you may know, traditional, crash (or shear) valves installed at the base of fuel
dispensers have a single poppet that closes when the dispenser is subjected to a
significant impact like the picture above. This stops the flow of fuel from the
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submersible pump, but still allows the fuel in the filters, meters, and piping inside
the dispenser cabinet to drain out. The fuel in the dispenser could amount to
several gallons and can cause a significant fire if it drains out and ignites.
Double-poppet crash valves were introduced about 25 years ago to contain the
fuel in the dispenser in hopes of greatly reducing the amount of fuel released in a
dispenser crash and so preventing major fires from occurring.
So do double-poppet crash valves prevent fires? Do you know of an incident
where:
1. A dispenser was hit;
2. There was/was not a fire as a result of the impact;
3. You know what type of crash valve (single or double poppet) was installed.
If so please contact us: we’d like to hear from you! Marcel Moreau and I are
working on an article for publication in LUSTline that documents the effectiveness
(or not) of double-poppet crash valves. If you have a story or general information
to share about this issue, email me at ben@usttraining.com; or call me at866-301-
8265.
Thanks for your help!
Ben Thomas
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Subject: FW: NFPA Technical Question Response [ ref:_00D5077Vx._50050YgqO3:ref ]
Based on this inquiry, AUV needs to revise NFPA 30A, 6.7 to state the same as NEC Art. 514.11(A). From: Benedetti, Bob Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:03 PM To: office@sparkmanelectricllc.com Subject: RE: NFPA Technical Question Response [ ref:_00D5077Vx._50050YgqO3:ref ]
Good afternoon, Mr. Sparkman: I’m not sure if I can give a definitive answer here, since your questions relate to Article 514.11 of NFPA 70®, National Electrical Code®. I have no responsibilities with this Code; my responsibility is striuctly with NFPA 30A, Code for Motor Fuel Dispensing Facilities and Repair Garages. Nevertheless, I will provide my own informal non-binding opinions. NFPA 30a, in Section 6.7, requires that every fuel dispensing system have an electrical disconnect and that this disconnect must cut power to the dispenser, the fuel pump, and any related circuit elements. Beyond that, it does not specify. Article 514.11(A) of the NEC appears to me to be more specific. It states: “. . . to disconnect simultaneously from the source of supply, all conductors of the circuits, including the grounded conductor, if any”. The following is from the commentary on Article 514.11(A), as published in the National Electrical Code Handbook: “The intent is that no energized conductors are in the dispenser vicinity during maintenance or alteration. In the case of accidental reversal of the polarities of conductors at panelboards, the grounded conductor must be able to be switched to the open or “off” position.” I believe herein lies your answer, but you might want to submit this same inquiry to our Electrical Code Department via the NFPA 70 DocInfo page on our web site. Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a Formal Interpretation of the National Fire Protection Association, as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPA’s Regulations Governing Committee Projects. It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with any laws, ordinances, rules, or regulations. To determine legal compliance, you should refer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice. It is not intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services. To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installation, you should consult with an appropriate professional. I hope this response is helpful. If you have a follow-up question related to this inquiry, please reply to this email. If you have another question on a separate topic or a different document, please return to the document information pages and submit your new question(s) by clicking on the “Technical Questions” tab. R. P. Benedetti
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cc 30A/IFI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert P. Benedetti, CSP, PE, FSFPE Principal Flammable Liquids Engineer National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169-7471 617-984-7433 617-984-7110 (FAX) 617-571-8494 (CELL) bbenedetti@nfpa.org
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTICE: Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services. From: office@sparkmanelectricllc.com [mailto:office@sparkmanelectricllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:23 PM To: Benedetti, Bob Subject: RE: NFPA Technical Question Response [ ref:_00D5077Vx._50050YgqO3:ref ] Importance: High
Bob, Thank you for your response. If this facility happens to be designated as an unattended fueling facility, is it intention of the code that the emergency shut off to shunt trip all ungrounded legs and the grounded leg (neutral)? Is the neutral wire to be broken with the hot wires? Thank you, Allan Sparkman
President
Sparkman Electric, LLC
214-460-8330
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--------- Original Message --------- Subject: NFPA Technical Question Response [ ref:_00D5077Vx._50050YgqO3:ref ] From: "Bob Benedetti" <bbenedetti@nfpa.org> Date: 12/23/14 2:13 pm To: "office@sparkmanelectricllc.com" <office@sparkmanelectricllc.com> <center >
Good afternoon, Mr. Sparkman: As we discussed during our earlier conversation, it is my opinion that the installation you describe is not an unattended motor fuel dispensing facility, as this term is defined by NFPA 30A. Such a facility is characterized by there being "no attendant or employee on duty". In contrast, the facility you describe involves fueling ONLY by employees of the facility. The facility is more correctly characterized as an attended fleet vehicle fuel dispensing facility. Please understand that this response is a personal opinion and does not constitute a Formal Interpretation of NFPA, as noted below and as described in Section 6 of NFPA’s Regulations Governing Committee Projects. It is not to be relied upon to definitively determine compliance with any laws, ordinances, rules, or regulations. To determine legal compliance, you should refer to the appropriate authority having jurisdiction or seek legal advice. It is not intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services. To determine the adequacy or safety of any device or installation, you should consult with an appropriate professional. I hope this response is helpful. If you have a follow-up question related to this inquiry, please reply to this email. If you have another question on a separate topic or on a different NFPA document, please return to the document information pages and submit your new question(s) by clicking on the “Technical Questions” tab of the appropriate NFPA document page. R P Benedetti Principal Flammable Liquids Engineer National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169-7471 617-984-7433 bbenedetti@nfpa.org Important Notice: Any opinion expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional consultation or services. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Create Date: 12/19/2014 Contact: ALLAN SPARKMAN Subject: ATTN: Bob Benedetti Question for NFPA: I am installing a fuel system at a multi-rental car facility located at an airport parking garage. In regards to NEC 514.11 (a,b, and c): I am requesting clarification as to whether this is an unattended or attended facility as paid employees that their job description is to fuel the cars and clean them are the only ones filling the vehicles. If this is an unattended self-service motor fueling facility as described in 514.11 (c), is it intention of the code that the emergency shut off to shunt trip all ungrounded legs and the grounded leg (neutral)? Is the neutral wire to be broken with the hot wires? Please send me clarification so I can submit to the engineers and the general contractor. Please contact me at 214-460-8330 if you have any questions.
6.7 Emergency Electrical Disconnects.
Fuel dispensing systems shall be provided with one or more clearly identified emergency shutoff devices or electrical disconnects. Resetting from an emergency shutoff condition shall require manual intervention and the manner of resetting shall be approved by the authority having jurisdiction.
Exception: Intrinsically safe electrical equipment need not meet these requirements.
6.7.1 Emergency shutoff devices or electrical disconnects shall be installed in accordance with (1) – (4):
(1) Located in approved locations
(2) Located not more than 30 m (100 ft) from the fuel dispensing devices that they serve
(3) Disconnect power to all dispensing devices; to all remote pumps serving the dispensing devices; to all associated power, control, and signal circuits; and to all other electrical equipment in the hazardous (classified) locations surrounding the fuel dispensing devices
(4) Interconnected when more than one emergency shutoff device or electrical disconnect is provided.
6.7.2 At attended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the shutoff devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to the attendant.
6.7.3 At unattended motor fuel dispensing facilities, the shutoff devices or disconnects shall be readily accessible to patrons.
6.7.3.1 The shutoff devices or disconnect(s) required by 6.7 shall not be located not less than 6 m (20 ft) from the dispensing devices they serve.
6.7.3.2 At least one additional shutoff device or disconnect to those required by 6.7 shall be readily accessible to each group of dispensing devices on an individual island.
From: Benedetti, Bob To: "Bausch, Eric L NWO" Cc: Gunkelman, Robert L NWO Subject: RE: NFPA 30 & 30A Truck Offload Separation from Tanks Date: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:56:00 PM Gentlemen: Thank you for sending me the photos and the summary of your dilemma. In thinking about this, I realize that the 25-foot and 15-foot separation distances in NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, originate with bulk plants and established a minimum separation between a storage tank and the loading rack that was supplied by that storage tank. In earlier editions of NFPA 30, there used to be a separate chapter on bulk plants and that is where this requirement originated. It had nothing to do with service stations or fleet refueling because, at that time, aboveground storage tanks were not allowed at either. So, we need to look at this in a different light. I tend to agree with you, as we discussed in Orlando, that laying 25 feet of hose to the loading box is a greater hazard than is the one purportedly being addressed, namely a fire originating at the delivery vehicle being a threat to the tank. It seems to me that the chances of having such a fire are aggravated by the length of the hose. In any event, this will be placed on the Agenda for the next meeting of the Technical Committee on Automotive and Marine Service Stations. Best Regards, Bob Benedetti cc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert P. Benedetti, CSP, PE Principal Flammable Liquids Engineer National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169-7471 617-984-7433 617-984-7110 (FAX) 617-571-8494 (CELL) bbenedetti@nfpa.org -----Original Message----- From: Bausch, Eric L NWO [mailto:Eric.L.Bausch@usace.army.mil] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:26 AM To: Benedetti, Bob Cc: Gunkelman, Robert L NWO Subject: RE: NFPA 30 & 30A Truck Offload Separation from Tanks Mr. Benedetti, As you requested, I'm attaching a couple photos of typical 2080/2085 tanks we find installed with the dispenser and fillbox located on the tank skid. Thank you, Eric Bausch, PE Civil Engineer - POL-DX Corps of Engineers, Omaha District
-----Original Message----- From: Gunkelman, Robert L NWO Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:19 PM To: bbenedetti@nfpa.org Cc: Bausch, Eric L NWO Subject: NFPA 30 & 30A Truck Offload Separation from Tanks Mr Benedetti, Thank you for your time at the NISTM conference on Monday. This is a follow e-mail on our discussion of the requirement to have fuel delivery trucks be separated from fuel tanks by 15/25 feet. My difficulty has been to located 2085 tanks for land vehicle fueling on military bases (fleet facilities) and safely maintaining the truck to tank separation distance. Some sites have resulted in parking the delivery trucks on a concrete hardstand 25 ft from a tank with the fillbox attached to the tank structure. This results in the delivery trucks having to lay the offload hoses across the pavement and (hopefully) blocking traffic next to the tank and tank mounted dispenser. My concern is that this creates much more of a safety hazard than having the truck pull-up next to the fillbox to offload fuel. I have been able to safely located the truck away from the tank on other projects, but this has been costly as general spill containment/concrete pavement is required at both the dispensing areas (next to the tank) and truck offload area. I request that this issue be looked at for, at least, fleet facilities. Thank you, Robert L Gunkelman, PE Civil Engineer - POL-DX Corps of Engineers - Omaha District 402-995-2201 (W) 402-315-0718 (M)
-----Original Message----- From: rmc@suddenlink.net [mailto:rmc@suddenlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:58 PM To: bbenedetti@NFPA.org; Wayne Geyer Subject: Re: FW: Admiral UST explosion Wayne - I have no problem whatsoever with your sharing my response with anyone/everyone who might be able to add to industry knowledge about such events. I honestly believe the industry should pursue this and related items like mandatory electrical grounding of any/all risers or vents that have access to tank inventories that are flammable or combustible. This latter subject is now far more of a concern in my mind since secondary containment, exterior coatings, and the use of dielectric materials have removed much UST system hardware from traditional grounding paths. Unfortunately, with most majors now spinning off their direct market assets, this will probably prove to be much more difficult. Glen Marshall -----Original Message----- From: rmc@suddenlink.net [mailto:rmc@suddenlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5:08 PM To: Wayne Geyer Subject: Fwd: RE: Lightning Ignites UST Wayne - I really appreciate your continued efforts on this. VERY unusual explanation as it initially seems at odds with physics. The "earth ground" may have been the fill ring set in concrete in physical contact with the backfill soil. The "ground" structure may also have included a tank riser which may have been an uncontained/unprotected steel pipe. If the ground/soil were wet, that's another factor supporting grounding. The fill tube was inside a dielectric containment (tank), so it had no access to earth ground other than the above structure. The tank ullage should still have been too rich to support ignition. However, this lack of adequate oxygen would change drastically as you travel up the fill towards the connection point at grade. The opposite is true for the fuel vapors which will lean out as we come up towards grade since the vapors are heavier than air. Nevertheless, somewhere in that scenario, the electrical energy apparently arced in an area where the fuel vapors were still rich enough and finally had access to sufficient oxygen to light off. As for the woman smoking a cigarette in her truck while parked over the tank field, I suspect she was a non-factor that simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Probably the last time she'll ever be in that position again due simply to fear and superstition. I think the same results would have occurred regardless of which fuel grade the lightning chose to strike. Gasoline is more volatile (easier to ignite) and diesel contains more btu's of energy than gasoline. Either way, no tank, regardless of construction material or numbers of walls, is going to successfully resist the explosive pressures applied. I have long been a proponent of electrically grounding any/all tank risers that have access to stored fuel/fuel vapors in the tank. This is aimed at reducing static ignition arcing during connection/disconnetion of fuel delivery hoses (hook up ground first and last in said process). However, I doubt grounding would have had any significant affect whatsoever on the possible scenario discussed above. It may also be that at the massively elevated energy and temperature levels of a lightning strike, ordinary electrical theory just doesn't work as we expect. Finally, no, I've never heard of or dealt with any lightning strikes on UST systems. But then, engineering is not the exact science that most people assume it to be. There's still a tremendous amount of information and physical phenomena that we just do not understand. Again, thanks for your efforts to chase this down.
From: Robert RenkesTo: Benedetti, BobSubject: Questions for 30A CommitteeDate: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:24:55 AM
Bob—As you know, I had intended to attend the meeting on Thursday but circumstances(granddaughter care) prevent me from making the trip. Guy has to do what he has to do. If I was there, I would have discussed the coordination of 30A and 52 with the committee. Indrafting PEI’s new recommended practice on CNG dispensing systems, the committee has run intoseveral problems concerning E-stops that I’d hope the 30A committee could resolve. Here is how Iunderstand the codes and the queries from our CNG committee:
· Specifically, 30A is applicable to CNG facilities only when booth gasoline/diesel and CNG aredispensed from the same motor fuel dispensing facility (1.1.2). I assume that means theentire property on which the station is located. I think I’m correct on this.
· If a CNG dispenser is on the same island (either under the same canopy or an adjacentcanopy) as a gasoline dispenser, then how far is the E-Stop to be located from thedispenser? 30A says not less than 20 feet or more than 100 feet from the fuel dispensingdevices that they serve (6.7). 52 says within 10 feet and also greater than 25 feet from thedispensing area 7.11.5). Which code are they under?
· Same scenario as above. Should the CNG E-Stop cut off power to the liquid dispensers aswell? And should the liquid E-Stop cut off power to the CNG dispenser? Does that answerchange if the dispensing is done a distance away from each other—i.e., the other side of thebuilding or so many feet away in a separate, stand-alone island? In that case the station canuse the two different distances without much problem—but what is required to be shut off—in that case, I think 30A controls but I am not sure.
Do you have the answers and/or do you mind posing the questions to the committee? Thanks. Bob Bob RenkesExecutive Vice President/General CounselPEIP. O. Box 2380, Tulsa, OK 74101918-494-9696 Follow me on Twitter!
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NFPA30ATechnicalCommittee August7,20151BatterymarchPark,Quincy,MA02169‐7471Attention:AlfredoRamirez–Chairman,andRobertBenedetti–NFPAStaffLiaisonSUBJECT:NFPA1stDraftTCMeetingAgendaItemforIntroductionofNewFuelingStationConceptandRequestforFeedbackonCodeComplianceDearSirs,ItiswiththisletterthatIwouldliketoformallyrequestabriefpresentationofourinnovative“FlexStation”fuelingstationconceptattheNFPA30AFirstDraftTCMeetingthisfall,followedbyadiscussionofkeyCodecomplianceissuesandCertificationplans.Ourcompanydesigns,manufactures,installsandwillservicethesefactory‐made,modularfuelstationsforattendedorunattendedfuel‐dispensinginpubliccommercialandprivatefleetbusinesses,orforquickdeploymentinemergencyandtemporaryuseapplications.Webelievethistechnicalexchangewillbemutuallybeneficialtoinformcommitteemembersofthisnewproduct,andallowustoobtainimportantinformationonCodecomplianceandconstruction/performancerequirements.ThenewandinnovativeFlexStationconceptisforindividualpre‐fabricatedmodules(Gas/Diesel,LPG,CNG,GH2,EV)tobeinstalledon‐sitewithminimalexcavationandassembly.Eachmodulehasasimilarbaseconstruction(fueltanksinstructuralcanopyintegratedwithadispensingisland)andsimilarsystems(fireresistance&protection,powerdistribution,componentoptions)buthasvariationsforthedifferentfueltypes.Pleaseseeourpresentationdraftonthefollowingpage.ThekeyCodecomplianceissuesweareseekingcommitteememberinputonareinformalinterpretationsandpotentialgaps,whichmayresultindevelopmentofproposalstoactonwithinthisCodecycle.ThesewereidentifiedinaNew&InnovativeprojectconductedbyULlastyear,alongwiththebasicStandardrequirementsformajorcomponentswithinthesesystems.PleaseseeBasicConceptandAppendixAfordetails.Ourgoalistocollaboratewiththe30A,andotherNFPATCsasnecessary,toensurethenextCodeeditionswilladdresstheinstallationanduseofthisnewproduct.OnbehalfofFlexStation,Iwouldliketothankyouinadvanceforyourtimeandconsideration. Sincerely,ArturoCajigaVicePresident&Co‐founderFlexStationUSA,LLCacajiga@mac.com+1(305)302‐8667
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BASICCONCEPT–2CONNECTEDMODULES BASICCONCEPT– 1EXPANDEDVIEWMODULE
Besidesthepre‐fabricatedmodularconcept,themostuniquefeaturesaretheelevatedfueltanksforeithertraditionalliquidsoralternategaseous,plusavarietyofoptionalequipmentandsystemswithinthesamestructuralcanopy,suchasanautomaticfiresuppressionsystem.Allrefuelingofintegraltanksareintendedtobedoneusingexistingindustrypracticesforthespecificfueltypes. Diesel Gasoline LPG CNG GH2 EVFlexStationBasicDesign
3ModuleSizes–Allhaveintegrateddispensingislandwithstructuralcanopyforfueltank,standardsystemsandoptionalcomponents,andcanbeconnectedforindividualconfigurations.
StructuralDesign
Samestructuralcolumnswithbollardprotection andcanopyframewithlightningprotection.Engineeredforhighwindloads,vehicleimpact,andseismicevents.
ElectricPower
Standardgridconnectionwithemergencypoweroptions(generator&PV)forelectricsupply&distributiontoeachsysteminvariouspanelsinthecanopy.AllcomponentsareULListed.
CanopyOptions
AllhaveoptionsforULListedequipmentincanopyoronislandfora)backuppowergenerator,b)solarpanels&battery,c)vehicleair&fluidunits,andd)operatingsystemsensors&monitors
FuelTanks&Pipes
Separatestructuralcompartmentsforfueltanksareallinthecanopy,withfill&withdrawpipingroutedincolumnplenums&underisland.
EVpowerfromgrid
FuelDispensers
OneULListeddispenser/island.Traditionalfuelunitshavemultiblend/dualhoseoptions&sump.Gaseousfuelunitshavedifferentpressure/nozzleoptions.
EVchargerwV/Aoptions
FireResistance
AllmoduleshaveUL1‐2hrfireresistantcoatings onstructuralsteelmembers,gaseousfueltanksandallfuelpipes.TraditionalfueltanksareUL20852hrrated.
Exceptnotank&pipe
FireProtection
AllhaveULListeda)drychemical extinguishingsystemforfuelingarea,withb)alarm&signaloptions,andc)handheldextinguisherssuitableforeachfuel.
EVmoduleoption
PrimaryNFPACodes
NFPA30A NFPA30A 30ACh12&NFPA58
30ACh12&NFPA52
30ACh12&NFPA2
NFPA70
Appendix A
NFPA 30A Gap Analysis
Action Items or Questions to Resolve: 1.1.3 Scope – The 30A Code is not applicable to dispensing facilities for only … LPG, LNG, CNG …, so need to: a) clarify if “only” applies to Gas/Diesel vs others noted, or each alternate fuel, such as a combined LPG & CNG facility. If dual Code(s) apply, does 30A take the lead? b) add GH2 to list and NFPA 2 to 2.2 list of referenced publications? 2.3.3 UL Publications – Add UL87A, UL87B, UL87C, UL142, UL142A, UL2039, UL2583, and others to list if needed to support the Flex-Station and establish applicable Safety requirements for the system components? Also needed for current fueling stations? 3.3 General Definitions – Add a new definition to describe the Flex-Station product and concept of factory built modular units for different fuels with elevated tanks that are installed and serviced in a non-traditional way? 4.3.2 Aboveground Tanks – Add new subsection to ref applicable tank Standards for LPG, CNG & GH2, the different pressures they operate at, allow “elevated” use and clarify: a) if 4.3.2.3 individual (12k gal) and aggregate (48k gal) and 4.3.2.5 for “fleet” values, applies to only traditional liquid fuels (gas, kero, diesel) or also alternate gaseous fuels (LPG, CNG, GH2), and b) if the corresponding minimum separation distances of Table 4.3.2.4 for UL2085 tanks includes “elevated” use, and if “other” tanks also includes alternate gaseous fuels (LPG, CNG, GH2) 5.2.7 Piping Components – Do requirements for “low melt point” materials include valve seats/gaskets, and if so, must they be 2 hr fire rated? 5.3.2 Flex Connectors – Ref UL2039 as the requirements for all “Listed” flexible connectors. See separate UL agenda item. 5.6.3 Tank Vents – Does the min 5’ vent pipe above “the height projection of the canopy” apply to the perimeter, components or accessories? 6.2.3 & 6.2.3 Fuel Dispensers – Ref UL87A & UL87B as requirements for all Listed fuel dispensing systems (gas, kero, diesel). See separate UL agenda item. 6.3.4 Dispenser Island – Propose revision to include metal (vs concrete) as a suitable island support for dispensers. 6.7.2 Emergency Disconnects – Can the 2nd electrical disconnect be located on a stand-alone post or adjacent island? 7.3.5 & 9.2.5 Fire Protection – Would combination of fire resistance, fire detection and portable/fixed extinguishers meet the highest level of AHJ requirements? 7.6 Heating Appliances – Would Flex-Station options (generator, compressor, PV collectors, batteries) be considered “heat producing appliances”, and would 7.6 apply to the canopy top since not in a building (implied)? 9.2.1 & 9.2.2 Delivery & Control – Are alternate fuels intended to meet NFPA 385 bulk delivery and inventory control requirements, or different ones? 9.2.5.4 & 9.5.3 Warning Placards – Are other items specific to the Flex-Station needed on warning placards? Ch 8 & 12 - See separate Classified Areas Assessment for Flex Station Modules with Different Fuels for additional gap analysis and questions specific to these chapters.
CLASSIFIED AREAS ASSESSMENT for FLEX-STATION MODULES with DIFFERENT FUELS
NFPA 30A references NEC 70 for electrical wiring & equipment, and uses the Article 500 System to classify location ratings (Class, Division, Group): Class I = Electrical equipment use in hazardous areas where flammable or explosive vapors may exist; Div 1 = Hazard is present in normal conditions Div 2 = Hazard is present in abnormal conditions Group A = N/A (acetylene) Group B = Processed gasses >=30% H2 (includes GH2) Group C = MESG >0.45 to <=0.75 mm and MIC Ratio >0.4 to <=0.80 mm Group D = MESG >0.75 mm and MIC Ratio >0.80 (includes Gasoline, LPG & CNG) Please ref the (AAIZ) Guide for additional information on Hazardous Locations. With respect to NFPA 30A identification of classified locations & installation requirements for electrical wiring & equipment, there are general references to NFPA 58 (LPG), NFPA 52 (CNG), NFPA 2 (GH2) and NFPA 70, (all fuel types). However specific requirements in Ch 8 for traditional liquid fuels (Class I gasoline & gasoline blends) and Ch 12 for alterative gaseous fuels (LPG, CNG, but not specifically GH2) are applicable if dispensed in a mixed fueling facility. The following summary of these requirements applies to the Flex Station modular design: Par 8.3.1 & 8.3.2 (for traditional liquid fuels) – Class I (Gasoline) and use Table 8.3.2 & Fig 8.3.2 to determine if a Div 1 or 2 area. Par 12.6.2 (for alternate gaseous fuels) – Class I (LPG & CNG) and use Table 12.6.2 (revised by TIA) to determine if a Div 1 or Div 2 area. Note 1 - Although GH2 is identified as a Class I, Div 1 or Div 2, Group B fuel, it is not specifically covered by NFPA 30A Ch 12. NFPA 2 Ch 10 has better information on GH2 fueling stations. Note 2 - Class II (Diesel) fuels are unclassified locations, except if within a “hazardous” location of adjacent Class I fuel. However, UL Listed dispensers assume, and are rated for installation next to gasoline dispensers. Potential Problems we see with the Flex Station modular design to locate fuel tanks and electrical equipment in the canopy, which if connected to adjacent canopies with different fuels, as intended. This would not comply with minimum separation distances per 12.3.4 – Where, the minimum 20’ separation distance applies between tanks and/or dispensers of different fuels. However, it may be possible to apply exceptions for sealed enclosures per 8.3.3 or exceptions in Table 8.3.2 “where effectively cut off by walls or partitions”, to reduce either: a) Classified locations (hazardous to unclassified), or b) Division ratings (Div 1 to Div 2), or c) Distances related to the above ratings. Therefore, the above questions, and fundamental question of - were the “aboveground” requirements developed only for “at grade” tanks, or can they also apply to “elevated” tanks – should be submitted to the NFPA 30A TC for a response.
Classified Areas Assessment for Flex Station Modules with Different Fuels per
NFPA 30A Table 8.3.2 & Table 12.6.2 or Others as Noted
All Fuels Class I
Gasoline (Gas) Group D
30A T8.3.2
LPGGroup D
30A T12.6.2
CNGGroup D
30A T12.6.2
GH2Group B
NFPA 2 T10.3.1.16.1Fuel Fill Pipe & SCD
Div 1 @ all areas in spill container (SCD) & <=18” from SCD enclosure or adapter @ <=20’ @ <=18” H (*)
Same as dispenser if tanks use similar fill pipe/adapter on canopy column in dispenser area
Same as dispenser if tanks use similar fill pipe/adapter on canopy column in dispenser area
Same as dispenser if tanks use similar fill pipe/adapter on canopy column in dispenser area
Dispenser Unit
Div 1 @ all areas within enclosure Div 2 @ <=20’ from enclosure @ <=18”H (*)
Div 1 @ all areas within enclosure, Div 1 @ <=18” from enclosure 4.0’ above base Div 2 <=20’ from enclosure @ <=18”H (*)
Div 1 @ all areas within enclosure, Div 2 @ 5.0’ from enclosure @ any height
Div 1 @ all areas within enclosure, Div 2 @ <=5’ from enclosure except Div 2 @ <=15’ fromcompression & ancillary equip in dispenser
Dispenser Sump
Div 1 @ all sump areas under dispenser & within island cavity unless vapor tight
No Sumps Used, but same as “Gas” if sump or island cavity can trap heavy vapors <=20’from dispenser (%)
No Sumps Used, but see areas Under Canopy & Enclosure for info. Note island could trap “light” gas leak.
No Sumps Used, but see areas Under Canopy & Enclosure for info. Note island could trap “light” gas leak.
Underneath Canopy or Enclosure
Unclassified unless canopy tank dike or containment box has bottom/side openings (?)
Same a “Gas” assuming LPG is heavier than air & similar to “gas” vapor properties (?)
Uncertain if areas under enclosure & canopy are Div 1, 2 or unclassified if design prevents trapped vapors (?)
Uncertain if areas under enclosure & canopy are Div 1, 2 or unclassified if design prevents trapped vapors (?)
Fuel Tank Vent Outlet
Div 1 @ <=5.0’ from vent pipe ends/openings Div 2 @ >5.0’ to <10’ from vent pipe ends
No 30A Specs but assume similar to GH2 tank relief valve, except heavy gas sinks. (58&30A may vary)
No 30A Specs but assume similar to GH2 tank relief valve with light gas rising. (52&30A may vary)
Div 1 @ <=5’ from relief valve and Div 2 @ <=15’ in 15 deg of valve discharge (?), so point vent upward
Fuel Tank in Canopy
Div 1 in tank & <= 10’ from tank perimeter Div 2 @ > 10’ from tank outer surface perimeter
No 30A Specs but assume same as Sump if tank/pipe leaks gas. See Sump & Tank Containment
No 30A Specs but assume same as Sump if tank/pipe leaks gas. See Under Canopy/Enc & Tank Containment
No Specs in 2 but see vent outlet Div 2 @ <=15’ fromcompression & ancillary equip if in canopy
Fuel Tank Containment In Canopy
Same as “Sump” if dike or enclosure under tank is sealed, or, “Fuel Tank” rules apply
No 30A Specs but Div 2 may apply to dike & containment box if bottom/side are sealed (?)
No 30A Specs but Div 2 may apply to dike & containment box if top/side are sealed (?)
Containment NA but assume area above tanks/pipes won’t trap leaked gas. See T10.3.2.3.1.3 for separations.
Equipment Boxes in/on & under Canopy
Optional Electrical Accessories or Systems either a) in adjacent canopy boxes (such as power panels, generators, batteries & wiring), b) on the canopy/cover (such as PV panels & lightning protection) or under the canopy (such as lights & sensors) must be rated for the hazardous location. Note if CNG compressor units are used, they will be separate from the Flex Station. (?) Consideration must be given to different gas/vapor properties that may collect within/under or escape from various dikes or enclosures. ($) It is also unknown at this time if barriers intended to eliminate or reduce hazardous locations are applicable to the canopy box design.
(*) = Measured in any direction from grade. Note the hazardous location is measured from the enclosure, and not from the extended dispenser hose nozzle attached from the dispensing unit per 8.3.2 Figures. (#) Par 12.5.1 – Div 1 for LPG dispensers allowed <= 5.0’ from other Class I dispenser where a) <=1.0 oz is released upon disconnect and b) fixed liquid level gauge is closed during filling process. (%) Tab 12.6.2 – Div 1 LPG areas where vapors can collect under dispenser extends <=20’ horizontally from dispenser edge where not mechanically ventilated. Div 2 <=20’ horizontally @ <=18” H if mechanically ventilated. (?) With respect to different gas/vapor properties, we are unsure if areas under/above enclosures or the canopy are Div 1, Div 2 or unclassified, since design dependent, equipment unknowns and relative distances of components: Gas & LPG (heavier than air) – If vapors/gasses that could potentially fill up the canopy containment enclosure and sink over the edge around the fueling area, or, are they dissipated by distance? (Not in 12.5) CNG & GH2 (lighter than air) – If vapor/gasses that could potentially escape by design around perimeters of the canopy underside (from dispenser) or canopy cover (from tanks), or, are they dissipated by distance? (Not in 12.4) NFPA 2 T10.3.1.16.1 – If compression/ancillary equipment is in the canopy, unsure if the Div 2 <=15’ distance is mitigated by canopy or other barriers. Also unsure if the tank relief device Div 1 @ <=5’ and Div 2 @ <=15’ within 15 deg of discharge is mitigated by canopy or other barriers. NFPA 2 T10.3.2.3.1.3 - See separation distances from different GH2 components & operations when considering the site location. ($) It may be possible to apply exceptions for sealed enclosures per 8.3.3 or exceptions in Table 8.3.2 “where effectively cut off by walls or partitions“, to reduce either: a) Classified locations (hazardous to unclassified), or b) Division ratings (Div 1 to Div 2), or c) Distances related to the above ratings. The tank/pipe pressure relief device & design should consider a resulting fire, where the outlet position must point upwards, or otherwise in directions that will prevent a) flame contact on adjacent tanks, equipment, buildings and properties, & b) gas collection or extended hazard zones for different heavier vs lighter than air types.
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