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We don’t need IPv6 - An update

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net

October 18, 2018

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Yesterday in the DNS WG

”If IPv6 doesn’t work you just turn it off. Nobody cares.”

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Internet Protocol Version 6: Dead or Alive?

”[...] Finally, the paper declares IPv6 as a dead protocol andsuggests to use newer available protocols in future.”

https://arxiv.org/abs/1809.07836

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Disadvantage of IPv6 Adoption

Remembering Addresses

More Internet Traffic

Cost of the Upgrade

Local Networking Changes

Two IP Schemes

http://www.ecmod.net/disadvantage-of-ipv6-adoption

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What is this about

State of IPv6 implementation - Or lack thereof

Tried to find out if I can build Linux from Scratch on an IPv6 onlyhost

Short answer: No

Started asking question about plans for IPv6 deployment

Was under the impression that some people where actually workingon it

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What is this about

State of IPv6 implementation - Or lack thereof

Tried to find out if I can build Linux from Scratch on an IPv6 onlyhost

Short answer: No

Started asking question about plans for IPv6 deployment

Was under the impression that some people where actually workingon it

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net We don’t need IPv6 - An update October 18, 2018 5 / 18

What is this about

State of IPv6 implementation - Or lack thereof

Tried to find out if I can build Linux from Scratch on an IPv6 onlyhost

Short answer: No

Started asking question about plans for IPv6 deployment

Was under the impression that some people where actually workingon it

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net We don’t need IPv6 - An update October 18, 2018 5 / 18

What is this about

State of IPv6 implementation - Or lack thereof

Tried to find out if I can build Linux from Scratch on an IPv6 onlyhost

Short answer: No

Started asking question about plans for IPv6 deployment

Was under the impression that some people where actually workingon it

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net We don’t need IPv6 - An update October 18, 2018 5 / 18

What is this about

State of IPv6 implementation - Or lack thereof

Tried to find out if I can build Linux from Scratch on an IPv6 onlyhost

Short answer: No

Started asking question about plans for IPv6 deployment

Was under the impression that some people where actually workingon it

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net We don’t need IPv6 - An update October 18, 2018 5 / 18

New interesting answers

”Make sure that you use https” - Deutsch Bahn when asked aboutIPv6 in the ICE wireless

”We are always a little behind” - #weilwirdichlieben BVG (BerlinPublic Transport)

”We never run out of IPv4 addresses” - Adult entertainment site

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New interesting answers

”Make sure that you use https” - Deutsch Bahn when asked aboutIPv6 in the ICE wireless

”We are always a little behind” - #weilwirdichlieben BVG (BerlinPublic Transport)

”We never run out of IPv4 addresses” - Adult entertainment site

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New interesting answers

”Make sure that you use https” - Deutsch Bahn when asked aboutIPv6 in the ICE wireless

”We are always a little behind” - #weilwirdichlieben BVG (BerlinPublic Transport)

”We never run out of IPv4 addresses” - Adult entertainment site

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Six month later - The negative side

Somebody followed my advice: bzip.org has no IPv6 any more

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Six month later - The positive side

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Thanks

@twitterSupport - In a way not answering my question about IPv6 supportwas probably one of the most honest answers I got

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Good news

I stopped asking about IPv6

(at least I try to)

people don’t care

just playing https://ipv6bingo.com/ is much easier

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Good news

I stopped asking about IPv6 (at least I try to)

people don’t care

just playing https://ipv6bingo.com/ is much easier

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net We don’t need IPv6 - An update October 18, 2018 10 / 18

Good news

I stopped asking about IPv6 (at least I try to)

people don’t care

just playing https://ipv6bingo.com/ is much easier

Jens Link, jl@jenslink.net We don’t need IPv6 - An update October 18, 2018 10 / 18

Good news

I stopped asking about IPv6 (at least I try to)

people don’t care

just playing https://ipv6bingo.com/ is much easier

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Why? - A Friday in August (I)

A friend asked to check the new wifi@db network at the station

Complete new network. No IPv6. Intentionally!

One reason given: ”We don’t know if RIPE will give us enoughaddresses”

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Why? - A Friday in August (I)

A friend asked to check the new wifi@db network at the station

Complete new network.

No IPv6. Intentionally!

One reason given: ”We don’t know if RIPE will give us enoughaddresses”

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Why? - A Friday in August (I)

A friend asked to check the new wifi@db network at the station

Complete new network. No IPv6.

Intentionally!

One reason given: ”We don’t know if RIPE will give us enoughaddresses”

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Why? - A Friday in August (I)

A friend asked to check the new wifi@db network at the station

Complete new network. No IPv6. Intentionally!

One reason given: ”We don’t know if RIPE will give us enoughaddresses”

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Why? - A Friday in August (I)

A friend asked to check the new wifi@db network at the station

Complete new network. No IPv6. Intentionally!

One reason given: ”We don’t know if RIPE will give us enoughaddresses”

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Why? - A Friday in August (II)

noticed that $website is hosted @github

which wouldn’t be a problem for me if $website would be aboutrabbits and not for / by people with a focus on networking

asked (some people say I was unfriendly)

quit (including the IRC channels)

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Why? - A Friday in August (II)

noticed that $website is hosted @github

which wouldn’t be a problem for me if $website would be aboutrabbits and not for / by people with a focus on networking

asked (some people say I was unfriendly)

quit (including the IRC channels)

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Why? - A Friday in August (II)

noticed that $website is hosted @github

which wouldn’t be a problem for me if $website would be aboutrabbits and not for / by people with a focus on networking

asked (some people say I was unfriendly)

quit (including the IRC channels)

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Why? - A Friday in August (II)

noticed that $website is hosted @github

which wouldn’t be a problem for me if $website would be aboutrabbits and not for / by people with a focus on networking

asked (some people say I was unfriendly)

quit (including the IRC channels)

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Speaking of rabbits

dig aaaa www.kaninchen-baden.de +shortkaninchen-baden.de.2a01:238:20a:202:1159::

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Reasons for adopting IPv6

lack of IPv4 addresses

- That is lack of RFC1918 addresses

Okay, some people suggest using 100.64.0.0/10

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Reasons for adopting IPv6

lack of IPv4 addresses - That is lack of RFC1918 addresses

Okay, some people suggest using 100.64.0.0/10

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Reasons for adopting IPv6

lack of IPv4 addresses - That is lack of RFC1918 addresses

Okay, some people suggest using 100.64.0.0/10

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IPv4 vs IPv6 @DECIX

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Some questions still remain

How can I tell people that IPv6 is important?

When will there be more IPv6 than IPv4 traffic?

When will things start to break?

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Some questions still remain

How can I tell people that IPv6 is important?

When will there be more IPv6 than IPv4 traffic?

When will things start to break?

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Some questions still remain

How can I tell people that IPv6 is important?

When will there be more IPv6 than IPv4 traffic?

When will things start to break?

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Suggestion for RIPE78

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Thanks

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