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ukedchat Archive 23 Feb 2012Hosted by @TheHeadsOffice

Is giving feedback an art or a science andshould it be taught?

20:00:02 @ukedchatIt's 8pm and it's time for #ukedchat. We're discussing 'Is giving feedback an artor a science and should it be taught?'"

20:00:07 @TheHeadsOffice#ukedchat Welcome to this evening's discussion on feedback! Is it an art or ascience and should it be taught?"

20:00:13 @nickotkdIVRT @ukedchat: It's 8pm and it's time for #ukedchat. We're discussing 'Is giving

feedback an art or a science and should it be taught?'"

20:00:35 @MrWaldramFeedback so important as long as it has clear steps for improvement. Got tomake teacher feel that it's important too.

20:00:44 @primaryteacher3 evening all

20:01:05 @ICTmagicRT @ukedchat: It's 8pm and it's time for #ukedchat. We're discussing 'Is givingfeedback an art or a science and should it be taught?'"

20:01:09 @TheHeadsOffice I've given it & received it. Sometimes it was not nice! What should it be like?

20:01:17 @primaryteacher3 I would love to know what makes effective feedback

20:01:21 @chrissinerantziRT @ukedchat: #ukedchat begins in 4 minutes. Discussing 'Is giving feedbackan art or a science and should it be taught?' with @TheHeadsOffice"

20:01:23 @TheHeadsOffice RT @primaryteacher3: evening all #ukedchat -Welcome!"

20:01:27 @Iriestar77RT @PivotalEllie: Teenagers struggle with GCSE maths - they need my activemaths ideas! http://t.co/VabFQC9p #ukedchat #mathchat"

20:01:32 @LearningSpyThere's two issues here: feedback from teachers to students AND fromobservers to observed

20:01:36 @TheHeadsOffice RT @primaryteacher3: I would love to know what makes effective feedback

20:01:40 @nickotkdIV #ukedchat i was observed this week and the feedback was constructive sogood!"

20:01:42 @AfwelsRT @ukedchat: It's 8pm and it's time for #ukedchat. We're discussing 'Is givingfeedback an art or a science and should it be taught?'"

20:01:53 @Mr_A_SmithIt's that time again...please vote on mypollhttp://mrashleysmith.wordpress.com/polls/ #ukedchat #inthepicture

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20:01:57 @davidwebster @ukedchat #ukedchat - both, and yes..."

20:02:08 @jamesmichie@ukedchat The better teachers understand & value AfL, the better they canaffect progress in their students learning.

20:02:14 @nickotkdIV RT @primaryteacher3: I would love to know what makes effective feedback

20:02:15 @jwinchester25Feedback is important when both parties involved feel that there is value to theprocess.

20:02:33 @ukedchatRemember to use #ukedchat hashtag. We're discussing 'Is giving feedback anart or a science and should it be taught?' with @TheHeadsOffice"

20:02:43 @nickotkdIV #ukedchat feedback is good for everyone if it is delivered in the correct way!"

20:02:52 @SheliBB@TheHeadsOffice: RT @SheliBB: Join us for some #DLchat after #ukedchat toshare digital leader ideas-Thanks for RT - hope to see you there"

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RT @SheliBB: Join us for some #DLchat after #ukedchat to share digital leader

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20:03:01 @LearningSpyThese are my thoughts on effective feedback: #ukedchat @primaryteacher3http://t.co/O20qbjNw"

20:03:05 @ckzebra Giving feedback is a Science, but giving useful feedback is an art

20:03:06 @HettonLDG Giving feedback is a Science, but giving useful feedback is an art

20:03:17 @jamesmichie@ukedchat Moreover, it allows for the development of meta-cognition if donecorrectly. Therefore, it needs to be learned.

20:03:21 @nickotkdIV @jwinchester25 how to you ensure both feel needed/valued

20:03:22 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @HettonLDG: Giving feedback is a Science, but giving useful feedback is anart

20:03:24 @chrismayohRT @HettonLDG: Giving feedback is a Science, but giving useful feedback is anart

20:03:33 @chrissinerantzi#ukedchat feedback should be a stimulating conversation about and forlearning"

20:03:42 @jamesmichieRT @chrissinerantzi: #ukedchat feedback should be a stimulating conversationabout and for learning"

20:03:42 @nickotkdIV@TheHeadsOffice: RT @HettonLDG: Giving feedback is a Science, but givinguseful feedback is an art agreed"

20:04:01 @geraldhaigh1#ukedchat Imagine good feedback gets the subject to identify issues andsuggest next steps. That's coaching, which certainly is taught."

20:04:01 @LearningSpy@NuttyA10 Yes. Hence this post: What's the point of lesson obs?http://t.co/ycoR8i2c

20:04:05 @TheHeadsOffice Is it all about the praise sandwich?

20:04:10 @primaryteacher3 #ukedchat what happens if the feedback is an art that has not been mastered?"

20:04:14 @nickotkdIV@chrissinerantzi: #ukedchat feedback should be a stimulating conversationabout and for learning how?"

20:04:28 @bucharesttutorA feedback is always important, be it from the teacher to the student or viceversa I strongly recommend it

20:04:38 @Afwels #ukedchat both, yes it should be taught."

20:04:38 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @primaryteacher3: #ukedchat what happens if the feedback is an art thathas not been mastered? - good question"

20:04:40 @nickotkdIV @primaryteacher3: #ukedchat what happens if the feedback is an art that hasnot been mastered? is there training ever given?"

20:04:41 @MattOswin Is enough time given to learners to respond to feedback?

20:04:51 @mrpeel #ukedchat feedback should not be didactic and should stimulate reflection."

20:04:57 @LearningSpy@nickotkdIV It's not so much about how it's delivered, it's more about how (orwhether) it's received

20:05:05 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @MattOswin: Is enough time given to learners to respond to feedback?#ukedchat -How do we ensure that?"

20:05:10@davidwebster

Feedback maybe 90% abt i-personal skills/hitting right tone, 10% abt

content/details of topic. If former wrong, latter irrelevant?

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20:05:20 @jwinchester25@nickotkdIV when receiving feedback I always feel valued when I made to thinkabout solutions and improvements to my own practice

20:05:28 @LearningDomain#ukedchat agree with @jwinchester25 both parties need to value process. Andunderstand process."

20:05:32 @MsKateRyanWhen they know what they are looking for, I find that students can usually give

excellent feedback.

20:05:45 @nightzookeeperIt helps to have established a positive relationship with the person you are givingthe feedback to, will mean a great deal more

20:05:47 @nickotkdIV @LearningSpy allowing time for it to be recieved and acted upon

20:05:50 @SpencerayresRT @ukedchat: #ukedchat begins at 8pm - 'Is giving feedback an art or ascience and should it be taught?' with @theheadsoffice in the chair."

20:05:53 @LearningSpy@HettonLDG Giving useful feedback is relatively easy. Giving feedback that's isUSED is hard

20:05:57 @MrWaldram @Porkpiebaby meet and follow @ukedchat

20:06:01 @damowardRT @HettonLDG: Giving feedback is a Science, but giving useful feedback is anart

20:06:03 @chrissinerantzi@LearningSpy agree, to stimulate reflection, what if reflective skills are notthere yet?

20:06:11 @mr_chadwick@LearningSpy: two issues: feedback from teachers to students AND fromobservers to observed and 3rd feedback from students?"

20:06:25 @mrpeel#ukedchat noone responds at once - reflective dialogue allows for feedback tobe assimilated by both parties"

20:06:25 @nickotkdIV@jwinchester25 good. i do to. Always feel thjat they liked what the saw etc thentell me what i could improve etc.

20:06:27 @ckzebra I hate marking, but love giving feedback because of the response it gets fromstudents

20:06:47 @nickotkdIV #ukedchat should all feedback be put postiveily?"

20:06:52 @MattOswin@TheHeadsOffice Built into the start of the next lesson? Or should theyrespond and progress through another lesson?

20:07:04 @EducationchatSutton report says effective feedback is best way to enhance progress of kids.adding 9 months to a years progress. But how?

20:07:13 @chrissinerantziWhat about the amount of feedback? Less is more? I think the quality counts.Research shows too much - confusing and overwhelming

20:07:26 @ICTwitz Giving relevant and helpful feedback is key

20:07:27 @tmeekyKS2 teachers - feel free to take the QR Codes from my worksheets and usethem in your own http://t.co/bEzlHC78 #edchat #edtech

20:07:27 @TheHeadsOfficeIs there ever a discussion about what feedback is to either grown ups orchildren?

20:07:27 @mrpeel#ukedchat not all positive, sometimes the truth hurts and is ignored if hidden infalse praise"

20:07:28 @bucharesttutor@nickotkdIV @primaryteacher3 feedbacks something which can be learnt whensomeone sees, hears someone bein commended or condemned

20:07:37@primaryteacher3 #ukedchat a question to senior leaders out there...how do you develop the skill"

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20:07:45 @PeterSpencer88@TheHeadsOffice when I receive feedback I take time to think how I can put itinto practice, we need to give the same to children

20:07:48 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @primaryteacher3: #ukedchat a question to senior leaders out there...howdo you develop the skill"

20:07:56 @TeachToAllfeedback must provide chldrn with 'the next steps' its about helping them to

progress in their learning

20:08 @MsKateRyanStudents also respond to peer feedback very positively, sometimes they want toimpress each other more than impress us!

20:08:01 @nightzookeeper@MattOswin I would say not in a lot of cases unfortunately. There is a lot ofpressure on teachers due to packed timetables

20:08:01 @teachitsoGiving feedback has 'scientifically' provable benefits-Methods for providing it areteaching 'art'-Ignored feedback has no value-

20:08:02 @primaryteacher3#ukedchat how do you ensure the teacher feels the feedback is not just anattack"

20:08:03 @LearningSpy @chrissinerantzi Then these need to be taught

20:08:15 @RachelClarke13@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Praise sandwich is a useful tool, but the breadmust be as useful as the filling."

20:08:21 @davidwebster@nickotkdIV I was taught University marking was about making a 'shitsandwich'. All negative comments between two positive..

20:08:21 @mberry Do forgive me. It's not so much about feedback as feedforward.

20:08:28 @jwinchester25@TheHeadsOffice @MattOswin In SEN it is particularly important to give studtime to respond to feedback, important 2 plan for this

20:08:32 @nickotkdIV @MsKateRyan how do you get this postive ethos?

20:08:34 @LearningSpy @mr_chadwick Yes. Fdbk from Ss to teachers is essential for effective AfL

20:08:39 @DeputyMitchell What is the #ukedchat about this evening?"

20:08:43 @web20education#NoteTakerHD powerful app to organize you notes and diagrams on #iPad#edtech20 #mlearning #edchat #ukedchat #ipaded http://t.co/NXoXXuEW"

20:08:44 @PeterSpencer88 @ICTwitz: Giving relevant and helpful feedback is key -any good tips?"

20:08:46 @ICTwitz Verbal and supportive feedback is an important element

20:08:47 @TheHeadsOffice RT @RachelClarke13: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Praise sandwich is auseful tool, but the bread must be as useful as the filling. -Excellent!"

20:09:05 @chrissinerantzi@mrpeel I think feedback should be written in a positive language. Importanthow we say things! To boost confidence, motivate

20:09:08 @TeacherToolkitNOT providing written or (accurate) verbal feedback is the greatest barrier forstudents making any kind of progress.

20:09:21 @SpencerayresFeedback or feedFORWARD,? sSurely it should be about moving forward notjust giving reflection

20:09:21 @ckzebra@LearningSpy agreed. Is the best feedback the type that comes from thelearner? We need to help students become more reflective

20:09:24@TheHeadsOffice @jwinchester25 Why specifically SEN?

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20:09:25 @nickotkdIV#ukedchat feedback should only be done if the reciever and giver is empoweredby it?

20:09:34 @TommyTeachPEFeedback is an extremely important tool in education the actual content of thefeedback is the science the delivery is art

20:09:52 @chrissinerantzi@LearningSpy yes, students and teachers need to know how to provide

meaningful feedback

20:09:52 @normal_for_jp#ukedchat Marking versus effective feedback. Wish people could see they aredifferent beasts."

20:10:02 @mr_chadwick @LearningSpy Exactly the point I was making

20:10:06 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @mberry: Do forgive me. It's not so much about feedback as feedforward.#ukedchat -I like that but what if they are full up or on a diet?"

20:10:13 @syded06@MattOswin It is easier to give feedback with new tech that allows time for theirreflection

20:10:22 @chrissinerantzi@nickotkdIV through ongoing conversations about learning. Feedback forlearning is vital

20:10:22 @RachelClarke13@primaryteacher3 #ukedchat. I coached a teacher through obs and feedbcaktoday. This seems like a good model to me."

20:10:27 @LearningSpy @TheHeadsOffice Praise and feedback should NOT mix: http://t.co/1yfEKAvr

20:10:38 @MsKateRyan@nickotkdIV Regular use of feedback helps. It gives them more experience andconfidence to do it.

20:10:39 @nickotkdIV @NuttyA10: @ICTwitz can we make reader respond when they dont want to."

20:10:40 @PeterSpencer88 @Spencerayres it's all about 'next steps'

20:10:43 @TheHeadsOffice @DeputyMitchell You obviously didn't do your homework! Tut tut. Detention!

20:10:47 @DJTom3@DeputyMitchell its about is feedback an art or a science and should it betaught?

20:10:53 @web20education#teamwork best Online Project Management in the #cloud #edtech20 #elearninghttp://t.co/CEsiJhY8 #edchat #itsc12 #blogchat #tlchat

20:10:58 @LearningSpy@primaryteacher3 Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Failbetter

20:11:01 @ePaceonline#ukedchat gave v positive feedback to teacher she asked me if I had beentaught how to do it- no was just a superb lesson + she deserved it"

20:11:20 @B_Sharpie @ManYanaEd Yes, but you must add #ukedchat (the hashtag, for people to seeyour comment)."

20:11:26 @nickotkdIV@chrissinerantzi i agree i alway allow time for feedback. its vital for AfL anddevelopement of relationships

20:11:33 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @LearningSpy: @TheHeadsOffice Praise and feedback should NOT mix:http://t.co/qsVVA0TS #ukedchat -Do you all agree with this?"

20:11:34 @ukedchatReminder of #ukedchat topic - 'Is giving feedback an art or a science and shouldit be taught?'"

20:11:35 @eslwebDoes anybody else use Hot Potatoes (Multiple choice question generator) andmake the feedback instant for every question?

20:11:41@ICTwitz @NuttyA10 Indeed. You've got to be the right mood for feedback sometimes

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20:11:48 @nickotkdIV @MsKateRyan do you allow two-way feedback

20:11:50 @jwinchester25@TheHeadsOffice did not just mean SEN,but from own experience SENlearners sometimes struggle to verbalize wht they are thinking

20:11:53 @mrpeel#ukedchat feedback should make receiver and giver reflect on practice. If it

doesn't it is pointless. Don't tell. Ask."

20:11:54 @LearningSpy@ckzebra Yes. But we also need to give them a shared language so thatfeedback is meaningful and understandable

20:11:58 @TommyTeachPEWhen asking pupils to give feedback to each other I ask for 2 stars and a wish(ks2 & 3) - has to be some constructive criticism

20:12:09 @tomboulter#ukedchat should we offer training on how best to receive, react and respond tofeedback?"

20:12:09 @nickotkdIV @NuttyA10 @ICTwitz do you do verbal or written feedback?

20:12:10 @Spencerayres@PeterSpencer88 Reflection of past work in order to improve and progress!Exactly!

20:12:12 @primaryteacher3#ukedchat does teaching styles come into feedback...if it is you style great ifnot....?"

20:12:21 @RachelClarke13@Spencerayres Yes and that is one of the challenges - to move forwards wesometimes need to give tricky messages.

20:12:22 @AliceBakesCakesWhat is this evening's #ukedchat about? Thought I'd join in for the first time!Excited!"

20:12:24 @QueenyPrior#ukedchat As Dep, I often have to give feedback. Is about respect, trust, aknown format and is constructive. Then you will see it's impact."

20:12:26 @TheHeadsOffice @ManYanaEd Hi Peter! Welcome!

20:12:28 @DJTom3 @bucharesttutor yeah i totaly agree with that. what about teachers to teachers?

20:12:30 @jwinchester25 @TheHeadsOffice more so due to cognitive difficulties

20:12:33 @syded06Feedback with visual evidence is very effective - new tech is allowing this tobecome easier

20:12:37 @MsKateRyanAn open mind and lack of pride help when receiving feedback - for both studentsand teachers!

20:12:45 @HilaryNunnsRT @LearningSpy: @nickotkdIV It's not so much about how it's delivered, it'smore about how (or whether) it's received

20:12:46 @TeacherToolkit @ukedchat -It's a definite science! Half of the workforce don't know how to give#feedback accurately to aid student progress

20:12:50 @ePaceonline#ukedchat key to giving feed back is genuine, trusting human relationships, plusI think you have to have respect for person giving it."

20:12:50 @ckzebra@primaryteacher3 I've found that the skill of giving feedback is developed parttalking to students about what works for them...

20:12:53 @MattOswin @nickotkdIV @NuttyA10 @ICTwitz Both

20:12:57 @chrissinerantzi@TommyTeachPE peer feedback vital also self-evaluation. Students too oftencompare themselves with others!

20:12:57@nickotkdIV @NuttyA10 @ICTwitz both?

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20:13 @cherrylkd@TheHeadsOffice @primaryteacher3 I went on course to develop effectivefeedback skills. It was helpful & made me reflect own prac

20:13 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @tomboulter: #ukedchat should we offer training on how best to receive,react and respond to feedback? -Should we?"

20:13:11 @PhaedScho Respect is the key

20:13:23 @ManYanaEd@B_Sharpie Thanks, Bev. I am doing that as far as I know. #ukedchat Ooops,I forgot the #"

20:13:26 @jwinchester25 @syded06 agree the use of video evidence for feedback is extremely useful

20:13:29 @nickotkdIV @cherrylkd @TheHeadsOffice @primaryteacher3 what was the main points?

20:13:36 @LallysticksFound @LearningSpy's digest of Hattie's 4 types of feedback really usefulhttp://t.co/kHnJPLWQ 'Process' good 4metacognition...1/2

20:13:47 @MsKateRyan@nickotkdIV do you mean when they both feedback to each other? Or whensomeone can feedback on the feedback?!

20:13:48 @MrsMyers_#ukedchat definately think there should be training on effective FB, sometimes Ifeel repetitive..sometimes like I am just looking for fault"

20:13:51 @wildbluBlogging feedback great way to teach Ss to become critical friends, to workcollaboratively, to support their learning experience.

20:13:53 @chrissinerantzi@cherrylkd staff development? It is about recognising the values and yes, alsodeveloping the skills how to do it properly

20:14:03 @ePaceonline#ukedchat, feed back is very important but if not delivered in correct mannercan be destructive and detrimental."

20:14:08 @steedie1980giving feedback to colleagues is an art. difficult to build that trust so they knowyou're not there just to be critical

20:14:17 @ckzebra @primaryteacher3 ...part practice, part observing how colleagues have beensuccessful

20:14:31 @mrmaldini2Feedback theory is all well and good, and certainly enhances progress,however, it is ridiculously time consuming!

20:14:39 @LearningSpy @nickotkdIV For us or them?

20:14:39 @Heatherleatt#ukedchat feedback needs to be clear & constructive; pitched at level pupils canunderstand and help them to move forward. Giving next steps"

20:14:40 @nightzookeeper@nickotkdIV @nuttya10 @ictwitz much easier and more effective to give verbalfeedback, but not enough hours in the day

20:14:45 @ManYanaEd @TheHeadsOffice Thanks #ukedchat This is rather full on. A lot like a verynoisy, crowded pub."

20:14:49 @MrWaldramI find that people just want to know the grading first. Depending on that dependson how well they listen afterwards.

20:14:51 @primaryteacher3RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat, feed back is very important but if not deliveredin correct manner can be destructive and detrimental."

20:14:57 @narthernlad @NuttyA10 do u not think verbal is better for most kids?

20:15:04 @DKMeadBergers feedback norms are essential for students to give high quality critiquehttp://t.co/2Ota6RPU

20:15:09@TommyTeachPE

Feedback is an extremely important tool in education the actual content of the

feedback is the science the delivery is an art

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20:15:10 @nickotkdIV@MsKateRyan When you allow them to feedback to you about what theythought of the lesson/ activity.

20:15:16 @nickotkdIV @MsKateRyan but also when they have lesson feedback after it

20:15:26 @Educationchat#ukedchat No point giving ANY feedback if kids haven't time to respond to it &

it's not followed up. But in an already crowded timetable..."

20:15:31 @mrpeel#ukedchat @primaryteacher3 yes but correct way differs for all - age, statusetc... be adaptable and read the signs!"

20:15:35 @chrissinerantzi@mrpeel agree honesty is vital! But I still think that the language we use shouldbe positive

20:15:37 @LearningSpy 70% of feedback given by teachers to students is misunderstood or ignored

20:15:47 @PeterSpencer88@LearningSpy @TheHeadsOffice So where does praise come, if not infeedback?

20:15:52 @mbrayfordRT @primaryteacher3: RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat, feed back is veryimportant but if not delivered in correct manner can be destructive and

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RT @steedie1980: gving feedback 2 colleagues is an art. diff 2 build that trustso they know U're not thr just 2 B critical #ukedchat-Agree"

20:15:56 @TeachToAllthe feedback on my yr3s blog http://t.co/4XVrK5n1 is proving v valuable to thechldrn

20:16:02 @tomboulterUsing webcam to record spoken feedback for individual students can bepowerful - they watch and tell you what ypu told them!

20:16:03 @MsKateRyanDifferentiation helps with feedback: the 'less able' need more target setting whileG&T can be coached to find their own solutions

20:16:07 @nickotkdIV @nightzookeeper @nuttya10 @ictwitz record keeping?

20:16:12 @chrissinerantzi @Educationchat yes, timing is important. when is feedback most valuable?

20:16:13 @nightzookeeper@DJTom3 @bucharesttutor this is a tricky one, as teachers we must be open toreceiving feedback from our peers

20:16:15 @nickotkdIV @LearningSpy us?

20:16:20 @ePaceonline #ukedchat and what about feedback for the person giving feedback?!"

20:16:21 @jwinchester25By teaching students how to give feedback with use of Afl and peerassessments they gain better understanding of process

20:16:22 @Educationchat @LearningSpy 50% of all statistics are meaningless.

20:16:24 @mrpeel @LearningSpy #ukedchat is that a provable statistic?"

20:16:29 @Afwels#ukedchat how about getting feedback on students projects from outside theclassroom walls, asking feedback from a pro. Any experience ????"

20:16:30 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @ManYanaEd: @TheHeadsOffice Thanks #ukedchat This is rather full on.A lot like a very noisy, crowded pub.-No beer I'm afraid!"

20:16:31 @Heatherleatt#ukedchat time also needs to be given for pupils to ACT on feedback - so thatthey value it and get something out of it."

20:16:38@OlympicICT

#ukedchat trainee teachers should definitely receive input on marking

methodology.Positive and a next step with the option to respond =good."

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20:16:51 @mrmaldini2RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat No point giving ANY feedback if kids haven'ttime to respond to it & it's not followed up. But in an already crowded

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20:16:51 @web20educationNew post #SpiderScribe #startup free app to #MindMapping and #Brainstorminghttp://t.co/ZHyg0Ss3 #edtech20 #edchat #elearning #elt

20:16:54 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @Educationchat: #ukedchat No point giving ANY feedback if kids haven't

time to respond to it & it's not followed up. But in an already crowded"

20:16:56 @Educationchat Don't know about you, but I hate three stars and a wish....

20:16:57 @LearningDomainRT @LearningSpy: 70% of feedback given by teachers to students ismisunderstood or ignored

20:17:03 @nickotkdIV@Cherise_Duxbury: RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat and what about feedbackfor the person giving feedback?!< YES! Indeed!!"

20:17:04 @kieran_earleyRT @TeacherToolkit: How do senior leaders get their jobs?--#ukedchathttp://t.co/HlJtXkwj"

20:17:05 @MrWaldram @njthurly joining #ukedchat tonight?"

20:17:09 @LearningSpy@PeterSpencer88 Praise is just a type of feedback - it's aimed at the persontherefore is hard to separate ME from TASK

20:17:20 @syded06@Educationchat using a platform to receive and give feedback can help withouttaking in and marking paper

20:17:26 @mrpeel@nickotkdIV #ukedchat me too, often ends with platitudes simply to fill thepage."

20:17:28 @cherrylkd@nickotkdIV @primaryteacher3 start with what u think went well. Ask what theythink went well. Sug ways 2 improve &agree target

20:17:29 @narthernlad @NuttyA10 easier the further down the school u work I find!

20:17:31 @mbrayford @Educationchat time is a huge issue when wanting to give verbal feedback.

20:17:40 @LearningSpy@mrpeel It's quoted by Hattie in Vis Learning for Teachers. I'll find the ref later ifinterested

20:17:41 @ICE2911#ukedchat feedback comes in various ways, comments on a blog can inspirefurther effort- can be instant, and a far wider audience"

20:17:43 @nickotkdIV@MissMellor84 i know of school where all feedback is postive which is good butwhere is the points of improvements?

20:17:47 @Heatherleatt#ukedchat no point in giving feedback that is glanced at and ignored. Leavesome time in class for pupils to digest & make improvements."

20:17:48 @nightzookeeper @nickotkdIV @nuttya10 @ictwitz keeping regular notes on lesson planninghelps, the old post-it can also be very useful

20:17:52 @CarpenterMat#ukedchat What to say is a science, generating engagement in the process isan art."

20:17:53 @HilaryNunnsRT @LearningSpy: 70% of feedback given by teachers to students ismisunderstood or ignored

20:17:56 @PhaedSchoBelief in change: reconstruction rather than destruction - but do you have to oneand/or the other to make progress?

20:18:01 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat and what about feedback for the person givingfeedback?! -Interesting idea!"

20:18:04@DJTom3

@HettonLDG yeh thats totaly right in a way as to give the right feedback it has

to be useful and if it its an art.

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20:18:05 @LearningSpy @Educationchat So that means half of statistics have meaning?

20:18:07 @chrissinerantzi I think feedback should enable learners to move forward

20:18:12 @AtkiTeachRT @Educationchat: #ukedchat No point giving ANY feedback if kids haven't

time to respond to it & it's not followed up. But in an already crowded"

20:18:15 @mrpeel @LearningSpy #ukedchat I'll follow the link later. Thanks"

20:18:16 @LearningSpy @nickotkdIV Teachers

20:18:18 @MsKateRyan@nickotkdIV Ah yes - I don't do it formally as much as I could, but we do haveinformal chats, I should allow more time for it...

20:18:18 @nickotkdIV@MissMellor84 also important that the person feedback know you and so adjustfeedback accordingly

20:18:34 @nickotkdIV @NuttyA10 @nightzookeeper @ictwitz do we

20:18:36 @MattOswin RT @chrissinerantzi: I think feedback should enable learners to move forward

20:18:37 @AliceBakesCakesIs it useful to give ks2 children regular feedback in terms of levels, or does thisrun the risk of denting confidence?

20:18:41 @syded06Dare I say flip a class and allow time for feedback in lesson time - positive andnegative?

20:18:41 @cherrylkd@TeachToAll #ukedchat Agreed. Feedback to ch must include 'next steps'either coming from them or coming from teacher"

20:18:46 @headteacher01 feedback to pupils will only have an impact if given quality time.

20:18:57 @nightzookeeper @Afwels an excellent idea and much easier now with the accessibility videochat allows

20:18:58 @Lallysticks@Educationchat So true. Tried to ask questions, when marking, that kids thenhad to answer, but didn't manage to keep this up

20:19:02 @Kezmerrelda#ukedchat giving feedback new teachers dont judge on way you would do it.Each teacher has own style. Few stars and a wish as with kids!"

20:19:04 @ukedchatSession 86 - Is giving feedback an art or a science and should it be taught?http://t.co/KrWTY8Lg ukedchat's Space {{#ukedchat}}"

20:19:15 @ePaceonlineRT @ICE2911: #ukedchat feedback comes in various ways, comments on ablog can inspire further effort- can be instant, and a far wider audience"

20:19:23 @MattOswin @AliceBakesCakes It has motivated our Y6s and they are keen to get higherscores and levels

20:19:24 @ICTwitz Is peer feedback appreciated, or do pupils prefer feedback from adult experts?

20:19:24 @PeterSpencer88@LearningSpy it's aimed at the TASK carried out by ME. Surely praise can beeffective/ineffective depending on it's delivery

20:19:24 @Heatherleatt Good feedback is one of Hattie's drivers...

20:19:38 @rashush2 @AliceBakesCakes they tend to just look at the level and not read the feedback

20:19:41@eslweb

@primaryteacher3 Always a positive of some sort, but pupils need to know

when they are not making enough effort or grade will get

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20:19:42 @rashush2

20:19:43 @headteacher01How much time has been spent over the years marking for parents eveningsrather than moving learning forward?

20:19:44 @mrpeel@Kezmerrelda #ukedchat all trainees need to reflect - make feedback part of

this process and make their lives simpler"

20:19:46 @DJTom3@ckzebra @LearningSpy yeah i think it is as harder for them i guess dont youthink? yeah in certin schools we do.

20:19:47 @cherrylkd @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat are we talking children or feedback to teachers?"

20:19:51 @nickotkdIV@nightzookeeper @nuttya10 @ictwitz indeed. What if your book are scrutinisedlooking at children responding to move on comments

20:19:58 @Educationchat@primaryteacher3 You mean at least one negative amongst the positive. Got tobe that way round...

20:20:01 @ukedchatReminder of tonight's #ukedchat topic - 'Is giving feedback an art or a scienceand should it be taught?'"

20:20:02 @Bectully#ukedchat Can't actually teach without giving feedback, making the feedbackACTIVE + about LEARNING prog, not behaviour/organisation is key?"

20:20:12 @LearningSpy@MrsMyers_ Yes - part of the answer is to use dialogic questioning whencommenting on students' work

20:20:19 @mberry@primaryteacher3 been reading 'fast thinking and slow thinking'. Evidence thatnegatives count twice as much as positives.

20:20:24 @MrsMyers_#ukedchat how do we teach giving feedback to students in MFL without beingoverly prescriptive?!"

20:20:26 @TheHeadsOffice @primaryteacher3 You sound as though your experience has not been good!

20:20:30 @nohandsup @Educationchat Totally agree, assessment only becomes formative if learnersrespond to it or practice changes as a result of it

20:20:53 @nightzookeeper@primaryteacher3 written should be short, concise and to the point. Verydifficult to get students to read long comments

20:20:53 @nightzookeeper@primaryteacher3 written should be short, concise and to the point. Verydifficult to get students to read long comments

20:20:58 @Educationchat@AliceBakesCakes Our Y6s know their levels and they like it - inspires them toget up to next level. If done right it's fine.

20:20:58 @Educationchat@AliceBakesCakes Our Y6s know their levels and they like it - inspires them toget up to next level. If done right it's fine.

20:21:02 @headteacher01 feedback to staff is an art, you need to act and respond to the situation, not justfollow a formula

20:21:02 @headteacher01feedback to staff is an art, you need to act and respond to the situation, not justfollow a formula

20:21:06 @LearningSpy@PeterSpencer88 Not according to the research. Obviously last tweet a hugedistillation of: http://t.co/1yfEKAvr

20:21:06 @LearningSpy@PeterSpencer88 Not according to the research. Obviously last tweet a hugedistillation of: http://t.co/1yfEKAvr

20:21:07 @ePaceonline#ukedchat I think feedback on blogs is great for pupils imagine having worktaken seriously enough for stranger to comment. Very empowering"

20:21:10@chrissinerantzi

RT @LearningSpy: @MrsMyers_ Yes - part of the answer is to use dialogic

questioning when commenting on students' work

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20:21:14 @MrWaldram@AliceBakesCakes depends on year group. And what you expect them to dowith that info

20:21:22 @jwinchester25RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I think feedback on blogs is great for pupilsimagine having work taken seriously enough for stranger to comment. Very

"

20:21:32 @MrWaldramRT @cherrylkd: @TeachToAll #ukedchat Agreed. Feedback to ch must include

'next steps' either coming from them or coming from teacher"

20:21:37 @DJTom3@jwinchester25 yeah thats true i went to a SEN school myself and i dont thinksome could of done it.

20:21:39 @ckzebraThe importance of feedback is addressed in 'The best bets for raisingachievement' http://t.co/wfAJ4bRI

20:21:40 @HettonLDGThe importance of feedback is addressed in 'The best bets for raisingachievement' http://t.co/BbO6QmxJ

20:21:42 @nickotkdIV @NuttyA10 @nightzookeeper @ictwitz scrutiny of work/feedback?

20:21:44 @LauraGatlingRT @TeacherToolkit: How do senior leaders get their jobs?--#ukedchathttp://t.co/HlJtXkwj"

20:21:46 @RachelClarke13@Educationchat #ukedchat. Depends on the quality of stars/wishes & whethermove on learning"

20:21:47 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat are we talking children orfeedback to teachers? -both"

20:21:50 @mrpeel@LearningSpy #ukedchat Feedback should stimulate dialogue both with tchrsand chn. Then it is a learning process"

20:21:57 @fullonlearningRT @ukedchat: Reminder of tonight's #ukedchat topic - 'Is giving feedback anart or a science and should it be taught?'"

20:21:57 @Afwels@nightzookeeper ##ukedchat for example, an architecture project fromstudents gets Skype feedback from an architect"

20:22:08 @MrWaldram RT @headteacher01: feedback to pupils will only have an impact if given qualitytime.

20:22:10 @wildbluRT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I think feedback on blogs is great for pupilsimagine having work taken seriously enough for stranger to comment. Very

"

20:22:14 @dockers_hoopsFeedback without the chance to respond to it is fairly meaningless. Must build inchances to respond

20:22:18 @ePaceonlineRT @philallman1: feedback is generally meaningless unless it is both specificand based on positive. #specificpraise

20:22:19 @LearningDomain@AliceBakesCakes #ukedchat don't always give levels. Sometimes dfeedbackwithout levels is important"

20:22:21 @PeterSpencer88 @mberry @primaryteacher3 and what's the evidence for completely negativefeedback with no positive?

20:22:23 @web20education#CorkulousPro collect,organize,share ideas using cork boards on #ipad#edtech20 #mlearning #ukedchat #edchat #cpchat http://t.co/LghCOOJZ"

20:22:25 @primaryteacher3RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat are we talking children orfeedback to teachers?"

20:22:28 @HeatherleattGiving negative feedback is valuable, so long as its accompanied by thepointers as to how to do better next time.

20:22:30 @steedie1980I stick to a simple formula for written feedback @ KS5. Grade it, positivecomment, what they need to do to improve the grade

20:22:31@LearningSpy @MrsMyers_ Of marking? Kind of. Some on this post: http://t.co/O20qbjNw

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20:22:35 @cherrylkd@nickotkdIV @cherise_duxbury @epaceonline #ukedchat I've also been obsgiving feedback by SIP and result was fedback to me. Very valuable"

20:22:43 @TommyTeachPE@DJTom3 absolutely, when they get good at doing it it happens almostorganically! I have done it online too for homework

20:22:48 @MsKateRyan@nickotkdIV Definitely! My students aren't usually shy about telling me what

they like/dislike and I like to hear it from them

20:22:52 @nickotkdIV@nightzookeeper i know alot of my feedback is oral although sometime booksare scrutinsied and reaction to move on comments noted

20:22:52 @chrissinerantzi@rashush2 how can we engage learners with summative feedback. If they arejust interested in the mark.?

20:22:53 @LearningSpy @mrpeel Can't argue with that

20:22:57 @LearningSpyRT @mrpeel: @LearningSpy #ukedchat Feedback should stimulate dialogueboth with tchrs and chn. Then it is a learning process"

20:23:07 @TheHeadsOffice How can feedback be taught?

20:23:08 @nickotkdIVRT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV @cherise_duxbury @epaceonline #ukedchat I'vealso been obs giving feedback by SIP and result was fedback to me. Very

"

20:23:15 @ManYanaEd #ukedchat Best way to begin feedback on a lesson you have just observed?"

20:23:17 @primaryteacher3 #ukedchat so should feedback empower both teachers and learners?"

20:23:22 @DJTom3@jwinchester25 @TheHeadsOffice @MattOswin yeah instead of going on tothe next part of the lesson. would it go on the lesson p.

20:23:24 @jwinchester25@DJTom3 from working in SEN I think you have to scaffold the feedback in away that they can respond and give them time to do this

20:23:26 @philallman1 RT @TheHeadsOffice: How can feedback be taught? #ukedchat < isn't thatpeer assessment?!"

20:23:27 @Kezmerrelda@mrpeel agree with u. Reflection needs be be part of trainee process with lotsof positive suggestions and praise too!

20:23:28 @ICE2911feedback needs to be against the success criteria that have been developedwith the children, then it means something

20:23:29 @nightzookeeper@Educationchat @alicebakescakes how do the children on lower levels feelabout this?

20:23:43 @syded06@MrWaldram the referral to more time required leads me to thinking we have tocreate that time

20:23:44 @nickotkdIV @MsKateRyan again all about respect and trust and buliding the learningtogether

20:23:45 @LallysticksFeedback to the *teacher* often most useful. Can be more effective to usemarking to see what to address in future lessons

20:23:56 @Educationchat @chrissinerantzi When it's instant and meaningful.

20:23:57 @chrissinerantziRT @nickotkdIV: @MsKateRyan again all about respect and trust and bulidingthe learning together

20:23:59 @LearningSpy @nickotkdIV It won't be accepted if this is not the case

20:23:59@DJTom3

RT @ukedchat: Reminder of #ukedchat topic - 'Is giving feedback an art or a

science and should it be taught?'"

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20:24:05 @nightzookeeperRT @Afwels: @nightzookeeper ##ukedchat for example, an architecture projectfrom students gets Skype feedback from an architect"

20:24:06 @ePaceonline @MissMellor84 #ukedchat that's great, good for you."

20:24:10 @nickotkdIVRT @philallman1: RT @TheHeadsOffice: How can feedback be taught?

#ukedchat < isn't that peer assessment?!"

20:24:14 @Afwels@primaryteacher3: #ukedchat so should feedback empower both teachersand learners? and bring in the real world"

20:24:16 @mberryMuch to be said for giving time for self-evaluation and reflection, as well asfeedback from teachers.

20:24:19 @TeachToAll@cherrylkd getting the ch involved in process is soo effective and mkes it all somuch more real :)

20:24:25 @TheHeadsOffice @cherrylkd Had you had any training before hand?

20:24:30 @mr_chadwickThis #ukedchat is a bit too speedy for my tired eyes! Will catch up with archivelater."

20:24:34 @fullonlearning@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat modelling with students; establish quality learningconversations through questioning"

20:24:40 @ben_solly@ICTwitz peer feedback guided by success criteria from teacher is so valuable.Teacher highlighting good feedback v.effective too

20:24:44 @primaryteacher3 #ukedchat okay so what if it doesn't empower?"

20:24:49 @elainewaltonRT @ukedchat: #ukedchat begins at 8pm - 'Is giving feedback an art or ascience and should it be taught?' with @theheadsoffice in the chair."

20:24:50 @TBSoftcatEducation allows pupils to gain skills for senior leadership roles. Providingfeedback in SL roles is key to sparking improvement

20:24:55 @ben_solly RT @ICE2911: feedback needs to be against the success criteria that havebeen developed with the children, then it means something

20:24:56 @davidhunter#ukedchat pupil premium toolkit by sutton trust shows effective feedback to bemost positive and cost effective impact on learning"

20:24:56 @ckzebra@LearningSpy @DJTom3 Developing the shared language is tough. If it is to bedone well does it need to across a whole school?

20:24:57 @syded06@mberry mentoring a GTP student is great for reflection on feedback in yourown classes

20:24:58 @mrpeel#ukedchat too much bland praise is dangerous surely? Engage with tact andhonesty and discuss - don't insist"

20:25:01 @nickotkdIV @LearningSpy agreed. respect and a relationship needs to be there for anyfeedback to be accepted

20:25:04 @TheHeadsOffice @nickotkdIV Can always note in books that conversation had taken place!

20:25:05 @DJTom3 @nightzookeeper @bucharesttutor yeah so from other teachers?

20:25:14 @ePaceonlineRT @headteacher01: How much time has been spent over years marking forparents evenings rather than moving learning forward? #ukedchat-YES"

20:25:23 @staffbroddyfiRT @dockers_hoops: Feedback without the chance to respond to it is fairlymeaningless. Must build in chances to respond

20:25:26@HettonLDG

RT @mberry: Much to be said for giving time for self-evaluation and reflection,

as well as feedback from teachers.

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20:25:29 @DeputyMitchellMy worst feedback I received Your sentence level work went over by 19seconds so I'm giving you SATISFACTORY!

20:25:39 @Educationchat@ICE2911 Agree - but at the expense of what? Hard enough to fit in everythingwe're supposed to, let alone enhanced curriculum.

20:25:40 @nickotkdIV @TheHeadsOffice i have a stamper Verbal feedback given

20:25:42 @RachelClarke13@ICE2911 #ukedchat Absolutely. Empowering and meaningful. This shouldalso be the same with teacher to teacher feedback."

20:25:43 @cherrylkd@TeachToAll #ukedchat agree. Ch have to be involved. It's for them so theyshould have their say"

20:25:48 @oldandrewuk#ukedchat So... has anyone actually stopped to define what a science is &what an art is? Or is everyone just assuming it's obvious?"

20:25:57 @fullonlearning#ukedchat important that feedback FROM students used to inform teaching:need to be adaptive to learning needs"

20:26 @mrpeel@syded06 #ukedchat love working with GTPs and assess also - feedback muststimulate, not dissuade - honesty at all times- from both parties"

20:26:02 @PeterSpencer88@LearningSpy I don't think one piece of evidence should stop us praisingchildren altogether, agree praise can be overused though

20:26:09 @mrmaldini2RT @TheHeadsOffice: @nickotkdIV Can always note in books thatconversation had taken place!

20:26:10 @web20educationNew post #Everwrite #startup tool Create content that users search #edtech20http://t.co/foER0u5h #edchat #elearning #cpchat #elt

20:26:15 @ManYanaEd@ICE2911 #ukedchat Agree. But do the SCs *have* to be developed *with* thelearners?"

20:26:16 @fullonlearningRT @ICE2911: feedback needs to be against the success criteria that havebeen developed with the children, then it means something

20:26:20 @LearningSpy @ckzebra Try using SOLO taxonomy: http://t.co/ur8Hcxgy

20:26:23 @Educationchat@AliceBakesCakes Depends why they're making less progress. If it's lazinesscould be the kick they need!

20:26:27 @Kezmerrelda#ukedchat if you set right classroom environment where every child feels valuedthen peer feedback should be a positive tool not weapon!"

20:26:35 @mberry@PeterSpencer88 loosely, the notion is that two stars balance one wish@primaryteacher3 #ukedchat also, the last thing gets noticed most"

20:26:38 @MattOswin @nickotkdIV @TheHeadsOffice Write 'VF' in the margin if verbal feedback given

20:26:40 @TheHeadsOffice @LearningSpy Can you resend that link to hattie pls?

20:26:41 @nickotkdIV@MissMellor84 too harsh i know some conversation have to be hard but youare not there to make people cry professionalism

20:26:51 @nickotkdIVRT @MattOswin: @nickotkdIV @TheHeadsOffice Write 'VF' in the margin ifverbal feedback given

20:26:53 @LearningSpy @TheHeadsOffice Which one?

20:26:57 @TommyTeachPEAs a #physed teacher feedback allows the less practically able pupils to attainhigh NC levels

20:26:58@Heatherleatt

If tchrs use feedback as a gap analysis for the class, then can learn from it too &

plan teaching accordingly addressing probs

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20:27:02 @cherrylkd@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat I had been on a course 2 give effective feedbackbut felt skills needed sharpening to help me be more effective"

20:27:02 @MrWaldram@syded06 we do. We've tried to cut stuff out of timetable to do it. Not alwayssuccessful, mind...

20:27:08 @OlympicICT@ben_solly @ictwitz I totally agree mini writing ladders or pupil written success

criteria peer assessed is much more appreciated

20:27:15 @staffbroddyfiRT @ICE2911: feedback needs to be against the success criteria that havebeen developed with the children, then it means something

20:27:20 @MsKateRyanRT @nickotkdIV: @MsKateRyan again all about respect and trust and bulidingthe learning together

20:27:22 @DJTom3@TommyTeachPE ok thats good i was a bit confufed about the star bit thatswhy i asked. what do they think it? thats a good idea.

20:27:23 @syded06@mrpeel and it has taken some time to get that balance right. Teachers reactdifferently to feedback!!!

20:27:25 @fullonlearningRT @LearningSpy: @HettonLDG Giving useful feedback is relatively easy.Giving feedback that's is USED is hard

20:27:27 @misterunwin@TheHeadsOffice:How can feedback be taught?#ukedchat-about quality &pitch of success criteria for me.Provides clear feedback framework"

20:27:44 @CarpenterMat @davidhunter sounds interesting, where can I find the toolkit?

20:27:45 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @nickotkdIV: @TheHeadsOffice i have a stamper Verbal feedback given#ukedchat -Wow! didn't know they existed. Anyone else use one?"

20:27:47 @PhaedSchoVygotsky's ZPD theory: to make progress chn need to know what they need todo next to move on - best ways to do this effectively?

20:27:49 @ben_solly#ukedchat Do any teachers out there allow students to give them feedback onthe quality of their lessons?"

20:27:51 @tmeeky KS2 apostrophes QR Code enabled worksheet - http://t.co/bEzlHC78 Feel freeto use however or reuse QR code #ukedchat #edchat #edtech"

20:27:52 @ManYanaEd@nickotkdIV @TheHeadsOffice Or just initial the work and add a code, such asV for verbal feedback given.

20:28:01 @mrpeel@syded06 #ukedchat agree - encourage a GTP to keep a blog to help theprocess"

20:28:06 @cherrylkd@ManYanaEd #ukedchat Begin with the positives, what went well. End on ahigh note as well"

20:28:16 @TommyTeachPE#ukedchat (too add to my previous post) when teachers provide success criteriafor giving feedback"

20:28:19 @davidhunter RT @LearningSpy: @HettonLDG Giving useful feedback is relatively easy.Giving feedback that's is USED is hard

20:28:20 @mberry@syded06 been learning so much through our PGCE refllective practice draftessay feedback tutorials.

20:28:36 @syded06@ben_solly yes using socrative software so it is anonymous but can bedisplayed

20:28:41 @Dr_FahraliRT @Afwels: @nightzookeeper ##ukedchat for example, an architecture projectfrom students gets Skype feedback from an architect"

20:28:41 @TheHeadsOffice @LearningSpy The one about praise diminishing fdbk

20:28:41@MrAColley

RT @mberry: Much to be said for giving time for self-evaluation and reflection,

as well as feedback from teachers.

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20:28:46 @LearningSpyRT @fullonlearning: #ukedchat modelling with students; establish qualitylearning conversations through questioning - YES Do this!"

20:28:50 @Educationchat @ben_solly Not in a million years!

20:28:50 @ICTEvangelistFeedback should be part of an ongoing learning dialogue between the two

parties.

20:28:52 @Kezmerrelda@syded06 @mberry agree mentoring nqt you start evaluating own approachand ideas

20:28:52 @janeconsidineCouldn't make #ukedchat as being wined and dined in 5 star fish restaurant inAmsterdam #itsahardlife ;)"

20:28:53 @DJTom3 @jwinchester25 yeah i think thats right. how much time would you think is best?

20:28:53 @tesICTRT @ben_solly: #ukedchat Do any teachers out there allow students to givethem feedback on the quality of their lessons?"

20:29 @nohandsupI did assessment training session with PGCE students on tues eve. They onlyget 1 day of training on the PGCE course in assessment

20:29:03 @ckzebra@oldandrewuk don't confuse me. I can't even get my head round feedbacknever mind Science or Art!

20:29:12 @RomaaddictFeedback needs to be closely related to what went before and what comes after- it's part of a bigger but important journey

20:29:13 @LearningSpy @TheHeadsOffice http://t.co/eMwKG1YR Here you go

20:29:16 @Afwels#ukedchat teachers giving Teachers feedback on teaching is great as well.Learning how to be open for it is important too."

20:29:17 @nickotkdIV @norfolkshine @TheHeadsOffice how do you do your feedback?

20:29:25 @staffbroddyfi RT @LearningSpy: @ckzebra Try using SOLO taxonomy: http://t.co/ur8Hcxgy

20:29:26 @Bectully#ukedchat Prac Strategy/peer pointing fingers after shared perf, Point to ceilingthen to best perf group, ask students to explain choices"

20:29:26 @ePaceonlineRT @TeachToAll: @cherrylkd getting the ch involved in process is soo effectiveand mkes it all so much more real :) #ukedchat -totally agree"

20:29:30 @teachitsoCarless's brillant paper shows how a teacher's view of useful feedback may bev. different to student's view #ukedchat http://t.co/SY4wrLjB"

20:29:32 @TheHeadsOffice Should there be a school policy about how feedback is given?

20:29:44 @fullonlearning @ben_solly seen this in action in a few places; incredibly powerful in buildingaffiliation. Sharpens use of success criteria too

20:29:46 @tesICTRT @ICTEvangelist: Feedback should be part of an ongoing learning dialoguebetween the two parties. #ukedchat learning requires relationship"

20:29:52 @TommyTeachPE@ben_solly I have done on a few occasions mainly GCSE, was really helpful forme anyway

20:29:52 @mrpeel #ukedchat surely marking and feedback are different things?"

20:30 @ICTEvangelistFeedback shouldn't be 'done' to people either but part of a collaborative processto enable progress.

20:30:01@nickotkdIV

@MissMellor84 that shouldnt happen as it does treat you like a professional.

after all we all are!!

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20:30:05 @primaryteacher3 #ukedchat does feedback relate to results?"

20:30:10 @fullonlearningRT @ICTEvangelist: Feedback should be part of an ongoing learning dialoguebetween the two parties.

20:30:13 @ben_solly @syded06 like it!

20:30:14 @Janshs @NuttyA10 perhaps - some ppl find it 'natural' but I guess we can all learn

20:30:17 @TheHeadsOffice @janeconsidine Don't think we need to know that :) Enjoy!!

20:30:17 @PhaedSchoRT @Afwels: #ukedchat teachers giving Teachers feedback on teaching is greatas well. Learning how to be open for it is important too."

20:30:20 @oldandrewuk@ckzebra I don't think defining terms is confusing. It is necessary in order toavoid confusion.

20:30:20 @mberry@ben_solly used to do this each year, now end most lectures with 'what can Ido better next time?' no wonder we overrun.

20:30:22 @DJTom3@ckzebra @LearningSpy what is the shared language? sorry havent heard of it.i think if something like feedback is done then yes.

20:30:36 @fullonlearning@LearningSpy: @TheHeadsOffice http://t.co/GM4KmnZH Here you go ---yes!!Hattie!!"

20:30:39 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @LearningSpy: @TheHeadsOffice http://t.co/HVviy1TK Here you go#ukedchat -Ta"

20:30:39 @MrAColley @ben_solly Yep. Got an exemplar questionnaire somewhere if you want?

20:30:56 @ben_solly@fullonlearning couldn't agree more. Demonstrates to the students thatteachers are human and always learning too.

20:31 @Heatherleatt Prof Hattie says that feedback is most powerful when it comes from pupil toteacher. That's something for us to think about.

20:31:02 @Bectully#ukedchat Teacher moulds feedback to attain learning and give individualspraise. End with a circle time on improvement reflections."

20:31:08 @syded06@Kezmerrelda @mberry I also believe the newest members of staff provokereflection very easily

20:31:10 @ben_sollyRT @TommyTeachPE: @ben_solly I have done on a few occasions mainlyGCSE, was really helpful for me anyway

20:31:11 @Romaaddict@TheHeadsOffice The problem with policy is it's not practice! How do we makeit happen effectively?

20:31:12 @TheHeadsOffice RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat surely marking and feedback are different things?-Opinions please"

20:31:17 @HeatherleattRT @teachitso: Carless's brillant paper shows how a teacher's view of usefulfeedback may be v. different to student's view #ukedchat http://t.co/SY4wrLjB"

20:31:23 @fullonlearning@ICTEvangelist: Feedback shouldn't be 'done' to people either but part of acollaborative process to enable progress. #ukedchat--- agree!"

20:31:30 @tesICT@janeconsidine hmm I'm not sure that's an excuse! ;) enjoy!!!! #ukedchat#itsahardlife"

20:31:30 @LearningSpy@DJTom3 SOLO taxonomy is a theory of learning in which progress is implicit.Unlike Bloom's

20:31:31@ben_solly @TommyTeachPE they are surprisingly perceptive aren't they?

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20:31:32 @TeachToAll@TheHeadsOffice think a sch policy may help schs be mre consistent in how itscarried out..mking it more fair for all (hopefully!)

20:31:36 @nickotkdIVRT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat surely marking and feedbackare different things? -Opinions please"

20:31:37 @ManYanaEd@cherrylkd Begin with the positives and you wait for the negatives. Don't listen

to the positives.

20:31:37 @AmyG2191My MAresearch showed teachers give feedback on things other than successcriteria given to student-communication needs to be clear

20:31:42 @nightzookeeper@AliceBakesCakes @educationchat it's a concern I have always have withsharing levels, kind of puts people in boxes

20:31:46 @DJTom3@ePaceonline well done. i think that would be good for all teachers to do thatthough what about teach them to do it?

20:31:51 @chrissinerantzi @ben_solly might be useful for you, see http://t.co/IgpGP41d

20:31:54 @Afwels @ben_solly @tesICT #ukedchat we do, part of teacher evaluation yearly"

20:31:54 @syded06@ben_solly after the first couple of times the students are pretty honest and ithelps with mutual respect

20:32:02 @ckzebraI find it amazing that, given the importance of feedback, that it doesn't have agreater prominence in training.

20:32:03 @HettonLDGI find it amazing that, given the importance of feedback, that it doesn't have agreater prominence in training.

20:32:08 @tesICT@nohandsup but is that AFL or summative assessment? AFL is integral toteaching!

20:32:18 @ManYanaEd@philallman1 I don't see peer assessment as the same thing. Why do you thinkit is?

20:32:20 @LearningSpy @nickotkdIV The only purpose of this can be for box ticking. How can this helplearning?

20:32:22 @DJTom3 @TheHeadsOffice @DeputyMitchell i just did just in time lol

20:32:25 @apuustinLeadership Think Tank on @scoopit http://t.co/EjpwcBpG #leadership#education #edchat #ukedchat #cpchat"

20:32:33 @jwinchester25 @DJTom3 difficult to say an exact time - very much depends on the student!!

20:32:37 @philallman1Feedback shouldn't be telling children what they are failing in across 10 differentsubjects!

20:32:37 @normal_for_jp Why do ofsted equate marking in books and feedback?

20:32:39 @RWM_LearningLab@TeacherToolkit: How do senior leaders get their jobs?--#ukedchathttp://t.co/9Pv3ACHqInteresting to see SLT teaching lesson at interview"

20:32:40 @tesICT@Afwels good for you - how you do get that information and encourageappropriate use of feedback by learners?

20:32:40 @tesICT@Afwels good for you - how you do get that information and encourageappropriate use of feedback by learners?

20:32:43 @fullonlearning@ben_solly courageous, though. Relies on quality relationships being in place(as does EVERYTHING!)

20:32:43@fullonlearning

@ben_solly courageous, though. Relies on quality relationships being in place

(as does EVERYTHING!)

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20:32:44 @NatashaCowanTeachers need training on feeding back to staff after lesson obs - so often CPDopportunities are lost though poor feedback

20:32:46 @davidhunterRT @LearningSpy: @DJTom3 SOLO taxonomy is a theory of learning in whichprogress is implicit. Unlike Bloom's

20:32:48 @cherrylkd@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat I think so. For obs teachers and for teach ch.

should be uniform if poss so ch know what to expect"

20:32:49 @mrpeel#ukedchat example_ I mark Mock GCSEs and chn see grades. I discuss theirpapers and question their responses - I give feedback"

20:32:49 @Romaaddict@mrpeel Marking can provide feedback, but is not the most effective or onlyway of doing so. #ukedchat one to one discussion is best"

20:32:58 @kennypieper#ukedchat Also think feedback is strongly linked to the class size debate,however."

20:32:58 @nohandsupIn Finland grades and scores are prohibited by law until the final matriculationexam at 16. Yes - by law! Formative feedback only

20:33:02 @MrAColleyI'm part of a 'personalised CPD' coaching team where the focus is set by theteacher. Been ace so far.

20:33:02 @nickotkdIV @MissMellor84 loses all impact and meaning #pointless

20:33:11 @tesICT@Queen_Claire fab - do you set criteria/boundaries for wnhat is appropriatewhen doing this?

20:33:12 @ben_solly @chrissinerantzi that's a great link, thank you!

20:33:14 @ManYanaEd@ICE2911 All students develop all SCs? How can that be? If not how do allstudents get the same impact?

20:33:17 @LearningSpyRT @fullonlearning: #ukedchat important that feedback FROM students used toinform teaching: need to be adaptive to learning needs - Yes."

20:33:29 @TheHeadsOffice RT @normal_for_jp: Why do ofsted equate marking in books and feedback?#ukedchat -Do they?"

20:33:37 @tesICTRT @Afwels: #ukedchat teachers giving Teachers feedback on teaching is greatas well. Learning how to be open for it is important too."

20:33:37 @nightzookeeperAnyone got guidelines for what makes good feedback when commenting on ablog post? Hard to get constructive comments sometimes

20:33:41 @steedie1980academic studies show that feedback needs to take place within 5 days max.anything longer and impact is lost

20:33:42 @HayesALevelPE@HayesALevelPE: @ben_solly absolutely, we regularly use learner feedbackforms to get views from students.

20:33:42 @MrWaldram iPhone battery dying (for a change) so am bowing out early. Thanks for follows@syded06 & @PivotalEllie

20:33:46 @Lynnewin100 What's going on in #ukedchat ? I'm a bit late!"

20:33:47 @ben_sollyRT @chrissinerantzi: @ben_solly might be useful for you, seehttp://t.co/nctAdXt0 @josephinessmith @sajraithatha"

20:33:54 @chrissinerantzi@ben_solly you are welcome, let me know if you need anything else linked tothis.

20:33:57 @ben_sollyRT @syded06: @ben_solly after the first couple of times the students are prettyhonest and it helps with mutual respect

20:33:58@ICTmagic

Pupil self reflection & peer feedback are invaluable skills. But appropriate time

must be given to training & practising.

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20:34 @tesICT @Afwels it's so easy to take what is meant constructively as criticism!

20:34:03 @Carlsberg40@TheHeadsOffice @mrpeel #ukedchat isn't feedback part of marking?Suggesting ways to move forward, to progress?"

20:34:12 @fullonlearning@AmyG2191 agree..shared language made more powerful if it incorporates

agreed & co-constructed success criteria

20:34:16 @headteacher01Best way to develop staff response to feedback is to get them to give pairedfeedback themselves eg ITT

20:34:23 @cherrylkd@ManYanaEd #ukedchat I don't do negatives. I ask how they think they couldhave been more effective. Praise of a diff nature"

20:34:29 @DJTom3 @MsKateRyan yeah and they improve on there work.

20:34:29 @LearningSpyRT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat if you set right classroom environment whereevery child feels valued then peer feedback should be a positive tool not

"

20:34:37 @syded06The feedback you can give via Edmodo which can then be questioned andanswered is very powerful

20:34:37 @RomaaddictI sometimes ask pupils to mark their work before submitting -against objectives .They are often spot on'!

20:34:42 @LearningSpy @MattOswin Why?

20:34:50 @oldandrewuk#ukedchat This was on E4 a couple of hours ago. Lots of examples of usefulfeedback... http://t.co/O5tj3Ilt Or maybe not."

20:34:51 @anhalfRT @Romaaddict @mrpeel Markin can prvide feedbac, but isn't most effectiveor only way of doing so. #ukedchat 121 discussion is best< agreed"

20:34:53 @rashush2@TheHeadsOffice Leadership teams seem to think marking = feedback forOFSTED And parents of course.

20:34:56 @TheHeadsOffice RT @kennypieper: #ukedchat Also think feedback is strongly linked to the classsize debate, however.-Interesting. Can you elaborate?"

20:35:01 @TommyTeachPE@ben_solly indeed its amazing why they pick up on voice, body Lang. Littlehabits, I really looked at how I tried to come across

20:35:09 @nickotkdIV @cherrylkd @ManYanaEd what if the lesson was awful. are you still positive?

20:35:10 @tesICT@primaryteacher3 doesn't it depend on what YOU value as results? Thenumbers game or the holistic results?

20:35:12 @mrpeel@Carlsberg40 #ukedchat not until some form of dialogue exists. Until then it ismerely comment"

20:35:25 @davidhunter #ukedchat feedback needs to be immediate. The marking of young chns workas feedback is near ineffective.chn dont remember what happened."

20:35:29 @chrissinerantzi Is there perhaps a need and an opportunity to build-in more self-assessment?

20:35:29 @tesICT @Queen_Claire I can understand that!!!

20:35:33 @ben_solly @MrAColley would be great to share a link on here if you can

20:35:35 @web20education@LucianeCurator search parteners 4 award winning #etwinning project#eSafety4eTwinners http://t.co/Tq32nZoF pls rt

20:35:39@TheHeadsOffice @Lynnewin100 Hello! Feedback!

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20:35:41 @mberry@ckzebra we're kinda addressing this through students' blogs, modelling andgetting them to give feedback to one another.

20:35:42 @PhaedScho See Shirley Clarke for feedback in the classroom

20:35:53 @tesICT @mberry don't do yourself down, Miles!!!!

20:36:09 @headteacher01@NuttyA10 @cerisejoanne maybe with displays in class illustrating how to dothis?

20:36:12 @anhalf@ICTmagic totally, we use working prtnrs and spnd much time sharing how togiv effective feedbck

20:36:16 @LearningSpyRT @ben_solly: #ukedchat Do teachers out there allow students to give themfeedback on the quality of their lessons? - ESSENTIAL to do this"

20:36:16 @chrissinerantzi@mberry this is great. we are also using eportfolios for peer learning andassessment

20:36:17 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @tesICT: @Afwels it's so easy to take what is meant constructively ascriticism! #ukedchat -How can we stop that?"

20:36:19 @tesICT @nohandsup absolutely integral I agree!

20:36:27 @nickotkdIV @MissMellor84 very true! :)

20:36:27 @Heatherleatt@TheHeadsOffice @normal_for_jp Ofsted look for the quality of the feedbackand how it enables pupils to move forward.

20:36:31 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @tesICT: @Afwels it's so easy to take what is meant constructively ascriticism! #ukedchat -What if a child feels like that?"

20:36:36 @bucharesttutor@DJTom3 @nightzookeeper as an educator myself I always looked forfeedbacks by my colleagues and of course peers. Ss welcome too

20:36:41 @LearningSpy @NuttyA10 It certainly needs to be studied

20:36:44 @tesICT @primaryteacher3 good for you!

20:36:48 @Janshs@NuttyA10 @mrmaldini2 #ukedchat we need to get everyone understandingthat it's the way we use feedback that makes it positive & effective?"

20:37:01 @kennypieper@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Stands to reason that if I have five year groupswith 30 in each class then chances to feed back become 'precious'"

20:37:03 @chrissinerantzi@LearningSpy this is vital! but we also need to reflect and evaluate our session,based on our observations.

20:37:05 @ICTwitz @NuttyA10 @Janshs @mrmaldini2 Do we get so hung up about feedbackbecause of OFSTED?

20:37:08 @Afwels@tesICT: @Afwels it's so easy to take what is meant constructively as criticism!there's a learning process in this"

20:37:09 @LearningSpyRT @ColinGoffin: I'm with you David. Links to my post on your blog about taskand ego feedback. Ego eases teacher anxiety

20:37:11 @RachelClarke13@TheHeadsOffice @mrpeel #ukedchat Marking is a part of feedback not thewhole of it."

20:37:14 @cherrylkd@nickotkdIV #ukedchat there r always some positives. If it was awful I'd take acouple of key points and work on those. Demoralise otherwise"

20:37:15@MrAColley @ben_solly Paper only atm. Will scan & send when I'm back in next week.

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20:37:23 @nohandsup@PeterSpencer88 This is really depressing - formative assessment is probablythe single most important tool in raising attainment

20:37:24 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @nickotkdIV: @cherrylkd @ManYanaEd what if the lesson was awful. areyou still positive? #ukedchat-I always found something!"

20:37:33 @LearningSpy @syded06 Do you use IRIS?

20:37:38 @mrpeel @RachelClarke13 #ukedchat agree: right way round"

20:37:41 @tesICT@TheHeadsOffice Absolutely crucial - we can't move forward with feedback ifteachers/learners feel as if they are on the defensive!

20:37:42 @Carlsberg40@TheHeadsOffice @tesICT @Afwels #ukedchat - you can't, people will take thesame comments in different ways - that's just life!"

20:38:01 @LearningSpy @MattOswin Why write that you have given verbal feedback? Who is that for?

20:38:01 @primaryteacher3#ukedchat what if you and the ta deemed the lesson good and the feedbackdeemed it dire?"

20:38:05 @nickotkdIV@cherrylkd i would agree but i feel sometime it is unrealistic to say we can bealways postive somethings just need to be said

20:38:06 @fullonlearning@TheHeadsOffice @tesict @afwels Clarify purpose and focus on 'WWW' & EBI'powerful for students to see teachers using afl

20:38:07 @tesICTRT @Carlsberg40: @TheHeadsOffice @tesICT @Afwels #ukedchat - you can't,people will take the same comments in different ways - that's just life!"

20:38:10 @DJTom3 @cherrylkd @ManYanaEd thats great idea instead of giving negatives.

20:38:18 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @ManYanaEd: @cherrylkd #ukedchat What if you observe something thatyou do not like? -If it is not helping progress you say!"

20:38:21 @ben_solly @TommyTeachPE that sounds spot on. Students can tell so much from bodylanguage!

20:38:23 @LearningSpyRT @ICTEvangelist: Feedback should be part of an ongoing learning dialoguebetween the two parties. #ukedchat You're not wrong"

20:38:25 @nickotkdIV @mrpeel i agree we need to stay positive

20:38:32 @ePaceonline#ukedchat good feedback should label what is being commented on andpraised. Be specific about what you are saying."

20:38:40 @chrissinerantziRT @LearningSpy: RT @ICTEvangelist: Feedback should be part of an ongoinglearning dialogue between the two parties. #ukedchat You're not wrong"

20:38:44 @tesICT @Carlsberg40 and differnet response on different days! what letter dropped onthe doormat yesterday can influence how we take it!

20:38:45 @fullonlearningRT @Janshs: @NuttyA10 @mrmaldini2 #ukedchat we need to get everyoneunderstanding that it's the way we use feedback that makes it positive &

"

20:38:53 @nickotkdIV@TheHeadsOffice @cherrylkd @ManYanaEd I agree there is alwayssomething!

20:38:57 @ben_sollyRT @LearningSpy: RT @ben_solly: #ukedchat Do teachers out there allowstudents to give them feedback on the quality of their lessons? - ESSENTIAL to

"

20:39:02 @DJTom3 @oldandrewuk that looks good i will have a watch of that.

20:39:04@LearningSpy

RT @teachitso: Carless's brillant paper shows how a teacher's view of useful

feedback may be v. different to student's view #ukedchat http://t.co/SY4wrLjB"

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20:39:05 @syded06@LearningSpy No I use socrative in the lesson and screenflow. Not heard ofIRIS. Help appreciated

20:39:09 @MrAColleyFinding that it's not the post obs fback that's the change maker. It's the corridoror chats & staying interested after that.

20:39:10 @mberryWorth looking at how feedback works elsewhere, eg eBay, blogs, FB, Wikipedia,

twitter, publishing, peer review and gaming.

20:39:11 @nickotkdIV @mbrayford agreed but should they be?

20:39:22 @philallman1 http://t.co/oPXkTtUv see use of specific praise

20:39:24 @cherrylkd@ManYanaEd #ukedchat depends what it was that I observed. Never had thatsituation. Poss intervene if it was against rules or bad for ch"

20:39:25 @tesICT@ManYanaEd and an ability to laugh at oneself through the whole process isessential!

20:39:25 @ckzebracurrently working on doing less marking, but giving higher quality feedback. Thestudents seem to be responding - time will tell

20:39:26 @ManYanaEd@TheHeadsOffice @cherrylkd #ukedchat Sounds like negatives given anothername."

20:39:31 @mrpeel@MattOswin #ukedchat annoys me though - I feedback to students not for thebenefit of a book check"

20:39:32 @ePaceonlineRT @ckzebra: I find it amazing that, given the importance of feedback, that itdoesn't have a greater prominence in training. #ukedchat.-YES"

20:39:37 @RachelClarke13 RT @PhaedScho: See Shirley Clarke for feedback in the classroom

20:39:43 @rashush2@LearningSpy because writing something down somehow magically meansyou did it

20:39:49 @nickotkdIV @NuttyA10 @mbrayford they they are both done properly then i believe thereshould be a huge overlap.

20:39:51 @tesICT guys, please don't forget to use the #ukedchat hashtag!"

20:39:51 @nohandsupAnyone else heard the rumour that school will have to 'publish' all SOW fromSept 2012????

20:39:52 @Janshs @NuttyA10 @ictwitz @mrmaldini2 good point

20:40:04 @DJTom3 @LearningSpy ah ok.

20:40:05 @tesICT @Afwels absolutely true

20:40:09 @syded06@ben_solly @TommyTeachPE sorry used wrong account. Have you triedvideoing a lesson and getting the students to feedback?

20:40:11 @oldandrewuk RT @DJTom3: @oldandrewuk that looks good i will have a watch of that.

20:40:14 @samdfbean#ukedchat Reading Tweets whilst marking.It takes so long but is worthwhile. Iinclude Comments, Praise,Corrections,Next Step & Verbal too."

20:40:18 @MrAColley@fullonlearning @TheHeadsOffice @tesict @afwels We use it for fback on allstaff obs and ppl portfolios at KS3.

20:40:25@RachelClarke13

@PhaedScho #ukedchat. She is a marvel. Love her books and love to hear her

speak."

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20:40:30 @Romaaddict@kennypiper Hv taught gps ranging from 32-16. Fdbk to 16 -1to1 actuallypossible and love to SEE light of understanding eyetoeye

20:40:32 @philallman1@cerisejoanne ahh but that is feedback! If you throw a ball into a bucket you aregetting instant f/back on distance, height etc.

20:40:36 @PeterSpencer88@nickotkdIV @cherrylkd Every cloud has a silver lining, every bad lesson has a

positive, every piece of work has a glimmer of hope

20:40:40 @tesICT@fullonlearning and so important for learners to see that teachers areconstantly trying to improve what they do!

20:40:44 @MattOswin@mrpeel Never sure of the difference between feedback and guiding someonewho doesn't understand/is not sure

20:40:50 @jodieworldWhen I was a Resort Manager overseas I had to attend a Train the Trainercourse learning to give feedback etc - was brilliant

20:40:50 @nickotkdIV @norfolkshine @cherrylkd true!

20:40:53 @tesICT @MrAColley fabulouso!

20:40:57 @galldritt Feedback is essential but as to it must have purpose. #ukedchat nice work"

20:41:02 @chrissinerantzi How can we enable feedback conversations?

20:41:06 @TeacherToolkit@trinheadmaster please follow my (new) school's new twitter account.--@Greig_City

20:41:08 @mberry @primaryteacher3 the lesson wasn't for you and the TA.

20:41:15 @MrAColley@LearningSpy @ICTEvangelist That's a more eloquent way of putting what Ijust said! As usual!

20:41:17 @jodieworld Think anyone who is going to observe formally in school should be sent on thistype of course #ukedchat #trainthetrainer"

20:41:20 @TheHeadsOfficeRT @OhLottie: @nightzookeeper @jacksloan has great guidelines herehttp://t.co/9L185p17 #ukedchat -Thank you!"

20:41:21 @davidhunter@anhalf I think tech allows us to move away from trad'book work' and developmethods of immediate feedback.eg forms,mangahigh etc.

20:41:22 @DJTom3@jwinchester25 yeah i guess and the class as some are sort into groups ofabitly.

20:41:22 @tesICTRT @galldritt: Feedback is essential but as to it must have purpose. #ukedchatnice work"

20:41:25 @TeachToAll i feel feedback to and with ch shld be happening continually and naturally..it shldjst be another aspect of the lesson/day.

20:41:30 @ePaceonline#ukedchat I don't believe there is a place for any feedback that is destructive ordeflating."

20:41:34 @headteacher01Dweck research makes it clear that undeserved praise can have a negativeimpact on progress

20:41:39 @dockers_hoopsFeedback should always be about moving the learning forward when given byeither teacher or pupil. Never 'well done'/'good effort'

20:41:43 @nizlamb@Spencerayres #ukedchat I hate the term feedforward. A real buzzword @ myschool. Meaningless term trying to rebrand something we do already"

20:41:44@syded06 @davidhunter couldn't agree more

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20:41:44 @ukedchatCame late to #ukedchat? This session will be archived shortly after 9pm athttp://t.co/g8HWMevS"

20:41:52 @freereed59RT @danmoorhouse: https://t.co/9xBSvpHj please help Alan, a trainee teacher,out with his research #historyteacher

20:41:53 @mrpeel@MattOswin #ukedchat is there a difference? seems to depend on occasion -

my fall back is to engage in a dialogue"

20:41:55 @cherrylkd@nickotkdIV #ukedchat there r degrees of positivity. Effective feedbackencourages reflection rather than demoralising & feeling of failure"

20:42:03 @ThisIsLiamMRT @ukedchat: Came late to #ukedchat? This session will be archived shortlyafter 9pm at http://t.co/g8HWMevS"

20:42:03 @philallman1 @ePaceonline can you come and inspect my school Mary ;)

20:42:03 @RachelClarke13 @ckzebra #ukedchat. Keep at it."

20:42:03 @TheHeadsOffice Has anyone told the class about feedback? 'Formally' taught what will happen?

20:42:08 @nickotkdIV @mbrayford whaich one do you use most of the time?

20:42:11 @samdfbean#ukedchat Only teaching 6 yrs and never happy with quality of marking,feedback and time to review.Always learning from peers and children."

20:42:24 @TommyTeachPE@syded06 @ben_solly I've been videoed but I just watched it was veryinformative and interesting

20:42:27 @DJTom3 @TommyTeachPE ah ok. what do they both stand for.

20:42:29 @Carlsberg40 @tesICT @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat exactly!"

20:42:35 @tesICT @mberry @primaryteacher3 #Ukedchat at the end of the day, only thing thatmatters is how the feedback benefits the learners in our class"

20:42:37 @TheHeadsOffice RT @PhaedScho: See Shirley Clarke for feedback in the classroom

20:42:38 @surreallyno Follow the #ukedchat . Pretty interesting conversation right now on #feedback."

20:42:39 @MattOswin@mrpeel I much prefer asking questions and getting them to think about whatthey are doing

20:42:44 @ben_sollyRT @TommyTeachPE: @syded06 @ben_solly I've been videoed but I justwatched it was very informative and interesting

20:42:47 @Referoo Re: Marking - I got my Lit class to level someone elses work today usingCriterion Scale - more than half got the right level

20:42:48 @HeatherleattRT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I don't believe there is a place for any feedbackthat is destructive or deflating."

20:42:48 @mrpeel@chrissinerantzi #ukedchat by basing our response on questions and byencouraging dialogue - admit own weaknesses sometimes - it can help"

20:42:53 @philallman1@headteacher01 but there is a diff between undeserved praise and negativecomments too!

20:42:56 @Afwels@chrissinerantzi: blog, chat, forum, postit papers, create a safe environment totalk and give feedback"

20:42:56@ICTwitz

@Janshs @NuttyA10 @mrmaldini2 OFSTED provide us with such lovely

feedback too!!

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20:43 @tesICT@Carlsberg40 and I'm not telling you what letter arrived on my matyesterday!!!!!!

20:43:03 @nickotkdIV@cherrylkd very true! I just wondered if i could do that but then it is a taught skill(what this whole #ukedchat is about) :)"

20:43:07 @HettonLDGOur Monitoring of learning now is through work scrutiny and speaking to

students, therefore written & verbal feedback is key.

20:43:11 @PhaedSchoRT @headteacher01: Dweck research makes it clear that undeserved praisecan have a negative impact on progress

20:43:13 @AliceBakesCakes@ruth_parker no matter how much I stress that levels are only important tothem, they always ask/tell everyone else!

20:43:16 @tesICTRT @jodieworld: Think anyone who is going to observe formally in schoolshould be sent on this type of course #ukedchat #trainthetrainer"

20:43:19 @staffbroddyfiRT @headteacher01: Dweck research makes it clear that undeserved praisecan have a negative impact on progress

20:43:21 @anhalf@MattOswin my understanding is that feedback enables ch to move learningon...nxt steps and improvements

20:43:23 @eslweb@TheHeadsOffice I give my classes the assessment criteria and tell pupils ifthey can prove they meet it they can have the mark.

20:43:25 @DJTom3@bucharesttutor @nightzookeeper ok and was it good? were they happy to giveyou feeback etc.

20:43:32 @chrissinerantzi @Afwels agree, positive and safe environment are key

20:43:39 @kvnmcl Feedback needs to be given not written

20:43:41 @RealGeoffBartonMe too: far too twee ... RT @Educationchat: Don't know about you, but I hatethree stars and a wish....

20:43:44 @cherrylkd @norfolkshine @nickotkdiv absolutely agree. Most teachers are good, somejust need guidance to be excellent

20:43:57 @tesICT@jodieworld some people I trusted to give me feedback I could trust or act on;others I wouldn't be so sure of motives

20:44:03 @anhalf @MattOswin and smtimes to boost confidence/pat on back :-)

20:44:04 @fullonlearning@tesICT: @fullonlearning and so important for learners to see that teachersare constantly trying to improve what they do! - yes"

20:44:06 @TeachToAllchld shld no y theyre learning certain things, wht theyre doing well & how tomove on..they shld help identify these points too

20:44:06 @chrissinerantzi @mrpeel yes, we can learn loads from Socrates and his student Plato too

20:44:08 @TheHeadsOfficeQAnyone have formal agreement about student feedback to teachers in theirsch? Some have mentioned it

20:44:15 @nickotkdIV @kvnmcl: Feedback needs to be given not written why?"

20:44:30 @ManYanaEd @eslweb @TheHeadsOffice Like that idea.

20:44:34 @tesICT @fullonlearning it's so important isn't it zoe!!!

20:44:35@ben_solly

@TommyTeachPE @syded06 I've just given SLT & middle leaders an iPad2 - 1

use is filming parts of lessons & review with teacher

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20:44:35 @RomaaddictWn u see what u don't value, allow that feedbk to come from them - if it doesn'tsomething hasn't happened earlier that should've

20:44:36 @syded06@TommyTeachPE @ben_solly the ipad has made it easier to do. In fact theability to give feedback via video is also useful

20:44:38 @TommyTeachPE@DJTom3 so the 2 stars are positive comments and the wish is something they

can improve on works well with younger ones

20:44:38 @MrAColleyWe try to use 'crank it up' less

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