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79TH GENEQAL ASSEMBLY. I

REGULAR SESSION

JUNE 23, 1975 I

. . . 4 . IIREfIDENT :

LQ. The hour of nine having arrivedrthi Senatq will come to order.

3. The prayer will be deferred awaiting thd arrival of Father Jerome Feldman

4. from Màrydale, Illinois. Reading of the' Journal. Senator Johns.

5. SENATOR JOHNS:

6. Mr. President, I move that the reading and approval of the Journals

7. of.Wednesdayz June the 11th, Thursday, June the 12th, Friday, June the

8. 13th, Monday, June the 16th, Tuesday, June the 17th, Wednesday, June

9. the 18th, Thursday, June the 19th and Friday, June the 20kh together

l0. with Saturday, June the 21st all 1975 be,postponed pending arrival of

ll. the printed Journals.

12. PRESIDENT: '

13. You heard the motion. A11 in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The

Ayes have it. The motion carries. éommittee Reports.l4.l5. SECRETARY:'

. - j yls assignsl6. Senator DonneWal , Chairman of the Assignment of Bi ,

17 the following to Committee: Appropriations - House Bills 1342, 1996:

l8. 1036 and 3002;. Education House Bill 30697 Elections and Reapportion-

19 ment - House Bills 3056 and 30917 Public Hea1th, Welfare and Corrections

2o. - House Bill 3066.

al senator Hynes, chairman of the Appropriations commitkee, reports

22 out the following: House Bills 596, 697, 734, 1552, 1588 and 2263

23. with the recommendation Do Pass. House Bi11...

24 PRESIDENT:

Now, just a moment, Mr. Secretary. Would you hold it a moment?25.We'll defer that. The Chaplain has arrived. Father Jerome Feldman,26

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7 'St . Theresa Parish, Marydalez Illinois .2 .

(Prayer given by Father Jrrome Peldman)28. :

'9 PRESIDENT :2 .

Continue with the Committee Reports.30.

SECRETARY;:1 )... . .

House sill 587, 1149, '1314, 1901, 2204 and 2559 With the reçonOehda-32. .

tion Do Pass as Amended. House 9il1 206 and 2701 wikh the recommendation33/ . i

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l.. Do Npk Pass.

2. PRESIDENT:

3. A Message from the House.

4. SECRETARY:

5. A Message from the House by Mr. OlBrlen Clerk.!

6 . Mr . President - I am directed to inform the Senaté that the

7 . House of Representatives has coricukred With the Senate in the passage of

a. the following bill:

9. Senate Bi11 1387 along with 'House Amendment No. 1. Senator Ronano

10. is the chief sponsor.

ll. PRESIDENT:

l2. Secretary's Desk. A Message from the House. House Bills 1st

13. reading. House Bill 289, Senator Lemke.

l4. SECRETARYZ .

l5. HOuSe Bill 289,

1E. (Secretary reads titlb of bill)

17. lst reading of Ehe bill.

18. PRESIDENT:

l9. House Bill 995, Senator Hynes.

20. SECRETARY:

2l. House Bill 995.

22. (svcretary reads title of bill)

2a. l'st reading of the bill.

24 PRESIDENT:

a5. House Bill 2476, Senator Rock.

SECRETARY:26.

27 House Bill 2476. 'e %. .

.2g. (Secretary reads tikle of bill)*

.,;lst reading of the bill.29.

PRESIDENT:30.

House Bill 2989, Senator Hynes.3 ). . . .

'SECRETARY:

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' Hoùse Bill 2989.33/ . .

1. (secretary reads title of bill).1st reading of the bfll.

3. PRESIDENT:

4. House 3il1 3037, Senator Rock.

SECRETARY:

6. House Bill 3037.

(Secretqry reads title of bill)

8. lst reading of the bill.

iRESIDENT:

l0. Any other members have bills on House Bills ls* reading? House

Bills 2nd 'reédini. House Bill j, Senator Lemke. House 811l'284,

12. Senator Joyce. House Bill 449, Senator Dougherty. House Bill 736,

Senator Hickey. House Bill 738, Senator Vadalabene. House 9il1 743.

l4. House Bill 852, Senator Joyce. House Bill 942, Senator Buzbee. House

l5. Bill 1079, Senator Kosinski. House Bill 1089, Senator Dougherty. House

Bili L&Il. senator Netscn. House Bill 1224, Senator Demuzio. house

l7. Bill 1399, Senator Savickas. House Bill 1426, Senator Knuppel'-

Joyce. House Bill 1506, Senator Palmer. House Bill 1589, Senator

19. Shapiro. House Bill 1662: Senator Schaffer. 1732, Senator Brady. House

2o. Bill 1977, senator Demuzio. zHouse Bill 1979, Senator Hickey. House

21. Bill 2074, Senator Mccarthy. House Bill 2099, Senator Latherow. House

22. Bill 2160: Senator Brady. House Bill 2355, Senator Netsch. House Bill

23. 2576, Senakor Davidson. House Bill 2784, Senator Egan. House Bill 2972,

24 Senator Buzbee. House Bill 3005, senator Carroll. House B1ll 3023,

25 Senator Rock. Read the bill.

26 SECRETARY:

Jlouse Bill 3023.. j ''

zg. (Searetary reads tikle of bill)'

2nd reading of the bill. No rommittee amendments.

PRESIDENT:'30.

Any 'amondzents from the Floor? 3rd reading. House Bills on 2nd. .

. ) .reading. uouse Bill 284, senaior Joyca. Read the bill.32. .

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'House Bill 281.

of bill)(Secretary reads title

.2nd readinq of the bill. .No committee amendments.

4. PRESIDENT:

Any amendments from the Floor? 3rd reading. (Machine cut-offl...

6. is recoqnized àt senator Dougherty's desk.

7. SBNATOR MdCARTHY:

g. Yes, Mr. Chairman, I Would like leave to go to the order of House

9. Bills on 3rd reading to House Bill 2105. It's a bill that I'm handling.. . '

l0. lt's on the agreed list and I1d like to take it off the agreed list and

1l. Rroperly do move that it be committed to'the Committee on Fihànce and

l2. Credit Regulations. It's a duplicate bill.

13. PRESIDENT:

14. You heard the motion. All in. favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.

15. House Bill 2105 on the agreed bill 3rd reading list is recopmitted to

kizy Couuuiùkee un Findnee. conlinulzly oiz House Bills orz 2nd reading on

l7. page 23, House Bill 3024, Senator Daley. House Bill 3035, Senator

18. Vadalabene. House Bill 3098, Senator Romano. House Bill 3105, Senator

19. Newhouse. I notice the arrival of some additional members. There are

20. House Bills on lst reading, which you may desire to pick up. If so

21 Which we'd indicate to the Secretary and return to that orzer. And

22. kry to clear that part of the Calendar. Is Senator Mi%chler on the

23. Pâoor? Senator Mitchler, you have, oddly enough, a couple congratula-

24. tory resolutions, here, we could deal with at this time. Just by happen-

zs stance has a couple.

:6 SECRETARY:' Senate Resolution 113 intro/uced by Senators Mftchler and al127

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Senators, and it's congratulatary.29..

2% PRESIDENT:

Senator Mitchler.30.

) SENATOR MITCHLER:3 . . .

, ' ,. )z ' 'Mr. Presidentp this is congratuoatory resolution for the Veterans

of Foreign Wars Convention held in Springfield this lasE weekend.

4

1 - '' '* 'would ask for immediate suspension 6f the rules and immediate considéra.-2 ' .* tion and aoption of the resolution. All Senators are iisted as3. pRsslocsT:

4 , . .* senator Mitchler moves for the suspensioh of the rules for the

5. i f the resolution. Al1 in favor say Aye. opposedimmediate considerat on o

6 ,' Nay. The rules are suspended. Senator Mitchler moves the adoption of

i11 say Aye. Opposed Nay. The resolu-the resolution. A1l in favor w

tion is adopted.

SECRETARY:

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10.

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Senate Resolution ll4 introduced by Senator Mitchler and it con-

gratulates the Girl's State.

l2. ssuavoR MITCHLER:

l3. Mr president and members of the senate. senate Resolution 114

l4. . g :he American Legion foris a resolution comrending the Girl s State o

ls. their work last week at MacMurray College in Jacksonville, and I would

lE' f immediate suspension of the rules and adoption of the resolutiqn.ask or

17 .' 11 senators are listed as cosponsors.A

18 . lmEsloyzxrr:

19. senator Mitchler moves for the suspension of the rules for the con-

a o . .sideration of the resolution. A1l in f avor will say Aye . Opposed Nay.

21- he rules are suspended. Senatoq Mitchler moves the adoption of theT

22. i éavor will say Aye. opposed Nay. That resolutionresozutlon. A1z n

23. *is adopted.

24. sscRzvaRv:

25' senate resolution l15 introduced by senators Egan and Glass. And

26- étzs congratulatory.

27. pssslssxv:

28 lï* i enator Egan.

29. SENATOR EGAN:

30 ' '* Thank youg Mr. President and members of the Senate. I would ask

a l- leave of the Body to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration

32 ' f the congkatulatory.o

33. PRSSIDENT:

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s natora . . '. 1. Who does it conqratulatey e

2 SENATOR EGAN: ' ' '

' ' 3 And 1... ' . . .

' . j4. PRESIDENT:

5 Whô does it Conîratulake? Just so the Body will knor the subject6. Matter. '

p. SENATOR EGAN:. . i.

.. j:. It congrakulates a single amateur hockey team boy, who was omitted l9. inadvertently from the Congratulatory resolution, which we passed out1c about a month ago.

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11. PRESIDENT: . .

. . :' 12. Senator Egan moves the suspension of the rules. All in favor will

13. say Aye. The Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. Sehator Egan moves14. the adoption 6f the resolution. All in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.

15 The resolution is adopted.'

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IJ Senate Resolution 116, Senator Shapiro.. e' # *

1g PRESIDENT: '

19 Senator Shapiro. '

20. SENATOR SHAPIRO: '

a1 Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. . This is a

22.death resolution for a Mrs. Howard Shaw who is a former Republican County

23 Chairwonan of Lee County. I would now move that the rules be suspended

p; for the immediate consideration of the resolution .

PRESIDENT: '25.

Senator Shapiro moveg that the rples be suspended for the immediate i26. I

consideration bf tùe resolution. .A11 in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. '27.

The rules are suspended. Senator Shapiro naw moves the adoption of the2B.

* ' ( .resolution. A11 in favor say Aye. Opposèd Nay. The resolution is j29. .

!ydopted. j30 ,L.

.' SECRETARY: , .

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i N 43 introduce: by Senàtor Nudelman and 'senate Joint Resolut on o.32 . . . 1

' 1' - senator Berning, and it's ektendinq the reporting date of the Spanish. 33:

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' 3. . Senator Berning. ' ''

4. SENATO'R BERNING: ''

Th k ou Mr. President. *he spanish speaking.peoples study5. an y ,

6. Commission is of the opinion we need the extended time do to the

7 complexities that have developed as a result of the incapacity of

g the Executive Directo: to function. She is on maternity leave. We

i help. The leport will be reazy by Octobe'r 15th. We re-> have inter mlc quest that the rules be suspended for the immediate consideration of

11 this resolution.

You heard the motion. A1l in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.l3. .

' The rules are suspended. senator Berning now moves the adoption of the14.

resoluticn. All in favof Fill say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Ayes havel5.

it. The' resolution is adopt6d . .l6. .

t SECPVETkV Y : '1 . .

Sendte Joint Resolution No. 44 introduced by Senator Palmer, and18.

it's axuending the reporting date of the committee to investigate problemsl9.

o concerning administrative unemployment.. 2 . . .

PRESIDENT: '21.

22 Senator Palmer. '

SENATOR PALMER: i'23. .

I move that the resolution be adopted.24. .

PRESIDENT:25.

senator Palmer moves that the rules be suspended for the imtediate26.

consideration of the resolution. All in favor say Aye. Op#osed Nay.27.

The rules are suspended. Senatör Palmer'naw moveF for the adoption of .28. j. .j . ' .

the reesolution. A1l in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Ayes have it.29. . :

The resolution is adopted. Committee reports. .30. ' '

SECRETARY:. .. 3 1 .

senator Palmer, Chairman of the Education Committee, reports out32.

the following bizls: House 'Bill ao47, 3049, aoso, aoa7 ané lsss with .. . . .33; . . .... .

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. * Senator Palmer. ,

4. SENATOR PALMER: ' Q .

b. Mr chairman, I 'started to ask the Clerk but I may ask the opinion

6. of the Chair. You noticed the last House Bill No. is 1555. That's not

7 ' r. a comnittee number. It s a House bill number. Is that proper at this

8. time: or is there a question? Having passed .the deadline date do we

9. have leave of...does that need a special order?

l0. PRESIDENT:

ll. It is not a commitkee bill.

. l2. SENATOR PALMER:

l3. No. The la&k... '

l4. PRESIDENT:

15. It is not.m.one moment. It is not an appropriation bill?

k6 . SENATOR PM MER: ..

'17 ' No '

18. PRESIDENT:

' l9. Then you would have to, you Would havd to go by the Rules Commiktee

20. on both sides of the rotunda for...

' 2 1 . SENATOR PM MER:

22. 1...1 didn't hear that. That's my question to you, is the...l'm '. . l

23. asking the inquiry as to whakls proper there. And I didn't hear What

21 your answer was.

25. PRESIDENT:

26. It's not proper to have been voted out of committee in the first

27. instance, It pot being a committee bill, it not being a appropriation

. 28. bill. It is not... .

. 29. SENATOR PALMER: .:

.30. Could that be approved by...by the committee?

' z). PRESIDENT: ' '

32. No, it cannot. It can be reintroduced.. It woul.d have to be approved

u va, bv the Rules committee before it coùld ever reach the Calendar.

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PRESIDENT:

4. Surely. Strike i: from the report. ' A Message from the House.

5. sscRsTAàY:

6. A Message from the House, Mr. o'Brien, Clerk..

7. Mr. President am directed to inform the Senate that the

:. House of Representatives has passed bills of the following titles in the

9. passaqe of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate,. *

l0. to-wit:

ll. House Bill 3097, 3102, 3106, 3107, 3108, 3109, 3110, 3112, 3113,

l2. 3114, 3115 and 3116.

13. PRESIDENT:

14. House Bills on 3rd reading. House Bill 6, Senator Egan. House Bill

l5. l5, Senator Berning.

SECRETWAY:' 47. House Bill l5.

18. (secretary reads title of bill)

l9. 3rd reading of 'the bill.

20. PRESIDENT:

Wgll, alright, 1'11 . :' . .take the propeb action/ Thank you.

21.

22. SENATOR BERNING:

23.' Thank you, Mr. President. Thia is a Recreational Moko/boat Safety

24. Bill. It's an effort to make boating on our recreational waters and

25. with recreational vehicles safer for children and adults. It brings

26. us in the state of Illinois somewhat in éonformity with the State of

27. Wisconsin. It's a desirable piece of legislation and 1 would reeommend

28.:n Aye vote.

Senator Berning.

29 . PRESIDENT :

30 . Any

3). . Senator Soper .

3Z.SENATOR SOPER:

33; Thank yoû, Mr. Predident. Karl', would you answer

ifurther discussxon? The question is shall House Bill 15 pass.

a few questions?

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I havenlt had time to read Yhe bili.

PRESIDENT:

He indicates he will.

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.SENATOR SOPER:

But, is every lake going ko be marked whether

fifty one acres or...

PRESIDENT:

it's fifty acres or

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Senator Bernink.

SENATOR BERNING:

10. This is in conformity with the existing Department of Conservatïon

ll. desiqnation for certain water uses. Therea.mthere is no marking at

l2. the present tlme so far as T know, and the only thlng that thâs re-

quires is that when there is a sixty acre lake, there shall be a

i4. no wake speed, and a11 boaters know what that is.

15. PRESIDENT:

Senator Soper.

l7. SENATOR SOPER:

l8. I understand that, but I asked you one question and it's answered

l9. by yes or no. Youlre on my time. Is therewv.is there a sectfon in

20. there that states that the lakes will be marked, those that are fifty

2l. ...is it sixty, now. Sâxty acrqs? Will they be marked? Thâs is a

22. sixty or less acre lake, and you can't have a wake in sixty or less

acre lake. Bad for the morticians. No Wakes in thosb...would you

21. tell me yes or no. Will the lakes be marked? I'm not kidding.

25. PRESIDENT:

26. Senator Berning.

SENATOR BERNING:V , 11,

.t.c s not provided in this b28.

?9. PRESIDENT:

30. Senator Soper.

SENATOR SOPER:

32. The only thinq I say about it, is 1...1 believe in this, but if

33: youere qoinq to arrest poople. Nowg what are the penalties if you

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2. PRESIDENT: ' - . .' .

' 3 Senatör Berning. . ' . .

4. SENATOR BERNING: ' '

5. Senator, l1m not sure that there are penalties. However, those...

that would be subject to the rules and regulaèions of the Departnent6.

7. of Conservation, which already has the authority to establïsh such

8. rules on our navigable katers.

9. PRESIDENT:

l0. Senator Soper.

ll. SENATOR SOPER:

' 12, ' Now, if thiso.vl underskand that. I know that the Department of

1a. Conservation can do this. So, why do you need this law2 .Why do you

14 have to put this cn the books? If they can mark every lake and say -

l5. this is a no wake laky. Why do yoù need Ehis?

16 PRESIDENT: '.

l7. Senator Berning.

18. SENATOR BERNING: .

l9. Senator, this goes much further than. that one specific small section

2o. of the bill involving the fifty..mor the sixty acre lakes. It, also,

21. has provisions to protect swimmers, fisher...fishermen and Ehe area

22 within one hundred feet of docks, rafts and buoyed objects. .

24. Senator... . '

25. SENATOR BERNING: '

It prohibits the harassment by operating a boat in a circuitous26.

motion around .a swimmqr within two hgndred feet of that swimmer, or2 7 . . . . . . .

a fishing boat. Al1 of these are rules 'and regulations intended to28.

.. a9 protect the legitimate users of our watets 'from some, and I say.

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some few, unconcerned, unscrupulous operators of motorboats.30.

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Thank xou, M5. President.. Iîd like to ask the sponsor a question.: . .

. . !' .Senator Berning, you may have said thià eaflier but I didn't hear.

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Does this mean there absolutely could be no water-sking on lakes

fifty acres or less?

PRESIDENT:

Senator Berning.

SENATOR BERNING:

That would be correct. If you can't create a

able to water-ski.

PRESIDENT:

wake you would not be

Any further discussion? Senator Harrfs.

12. SENATOR HARRls:

l3. Well, there's a 1ot more in this bill besides that no wake

14. and it just seems to me, I presume, that Representative Deuster has

15. a problem up there in thpt Chain of Lakes area, and what it seems to

k6. me he ought to do is seek the authority to, by ordinance, 'cure their

17. local problem and not provide these very reitrictive regulations on

l8. the entire state. For example/ there are some very serious limitations19 . h' t a person can operate a motorboat. I'm not one that's. on khe aqe t a

20. had a lot of experience in khat regard, but there are an awful lot

21. of young people that presently operate motorboats and if thqydre train-

ed adequately by their parents, I think theylre able to do it. Also,

23. this bill has a section about hoT peoRle can sib in S boat. I just

24. don't know how far we qo to regulate people.

25. PRESIDENT:

Senator Berning may close the debate.

S:NATQR BERNING:

28. Well, thank you, Mr. President. Yes, this does have some re-

29. strictions on who may operate a boat. .RThe age limits for operating

30. motorboats are established the same as. the Wiscoqsin boating 1aW

and identiçals the age limit in Senate Bill 692 sponsored by Senator

32. Demuzio and passed by this 'Senatè.. No child under the age of ten

33; 1ay operate a motorboat, from ken to kwelve only if accompanied in

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/rom age twelve to siykeen children may operate a motorboat alqne if ,.,..2 . . . . ...

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. in possession of a safe boating certificate issued by the Depattment3. .

of Cbnservation. This is a measure which is supported by the Depart-4 . . . . . . . .

ment' of Conservation and Outdoor Boating Association of Illinoïs.5. ,

It is the kind of safety regulation that we ought to endorse and6. ' , .

support. It is good not only for the Chain of Lakes and the Fox River,7.

but for al1 of our recreational waterways. And I would ask for a8. .

favorable roll call, Mr. President. ' '9.

PRESIDENT:10.

The question is shall House Bill 15 pass. Those in favor will votell.

Aye. Those opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish?12.

Take the record. On this question the Ayes are l2y the Nays are 3.13.

With 2 Voting Present. House Bill 15 having receivedo.ahaving failed. .1 j .

to receive a constitutional majority is declared lost. House Bill 44,l5. 'senato'r Hall. House Bill 45, senator Hazl. nouse Bill 62, senator '

l 6 . '.Don Moora . Sapator Mcara . '

17 .SENATOR MOORE:

l8.Mr. President, on Senate Bill 62, 3, 4 and 66 of...there is some '

l9.controversy to them. We're trying to work it out by amendment, and

20 'I would ask leave of the Chair to not call them now, but if we do

21.get the amendments worked outp'to come on back to them and we can

22.go up or down on them at that time. J

23. *PRESIDENT:

24.Is thera leave? Leave is granted. House Bill 114, Senator Knu'ppel.

25.House Bill 119, Senator Schaffer. House Bill 121, Senator Glass.

26.House Bill 138, Senator Mccarthy. House Bill 141, Senator Harber

27. . . .. . . . .i ' i11 ï46 senator' Reqner.' (Machiné cut-offl...catchkngHa )- House B ,28. .. '1 .

but there are encugh people here to pass a good bill. House Bill 152,29 ' :

Senator Nimrod. Read thç bill. . . '30. .

SECRETARY: . . '3 ) . '

House Bill 152. .32

(Secretary reads title of bill) . ' .

. 3rd reading of the bill.

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Senator Nimrod.

SENATOR NIMROD:

4. Yes, Mr. President and fellow Sènators. This bill does exactly

what it says in the summary, and I know of no opposition to this

6 '. bill, and Senator Dougherky is here from Local Government where it

was heard, and I would ask for a favorable roll call. I'd be happy

8. to answer any questions.

PRESIDENT:

l0. Any discussion? The question is shall House Bill 152 pass. Those

in favor will voke Aye. Opposed Nay. The votipg is open. Have a1l

l2. 'voted who wish? Take the record. on this tuestion the Ayes are 34,

the Nays are none: with none Votinq Present. House Bill 152 having

14. received a constitutional majority is declared passed. (Machine cut-

l5. offla..sargeant-at-Armg, come down here a moment. House Bill 160,

k6. senator Knuppel. Houae Bill 169, Senator Brady. House Bill 195,

lp '. Senator Bloom.

l8. SECRETARY:

l9. House Bill 195.

20. (secretary reads. title of bill)

2l. 3rd reading of the bill.

22. PRESIDENT:

23. senator Bloom.

24. SENATOR BLOOM:

25. Thank you, Mr. President and members of the Body. This bill dpes

26. exactly what the majority analysis says it does. It permits a waiver

of.the one pegçent day reduction ip Stqtq,lid.. If the lack of atten-: . . . ' . . . ' . ' '

28. dance days is do to an energy crisis. 'That is, you know, during the

29. winter you run out of coal. Some peoplb have asked - well, couldn't

3O. you add on more days later on. Then you get ïnto the local district's

budgqt problemg and planning. I'd urge a favorable roll call.

32. PRESIDENT:. '. ' * X

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:2 1, ' . ! - :' '' Senator, we ve had this bill before; My recolleetion is thit-it v

Su erintendent Bakalisî bill back in the heiqht of the energywas p .

4. crisis. really don't quite understahd why. we should eliminate th'e

one percent penalty f or any school district that does not meet the

6 ' minimklm nkunber of days # otherwiie . Do we not just throw the minimum

snllm er of days for certff ied school öut the wfndow. Surely, the

8. energy crisis problem can be cured in the months of May or June for

those school districts that normally are scheduled ko end then.

10. PRESIDENT:

Senator Bloom.

l2. SENATOR BL0OM:

Well, I could only hear about half of what Senator Harris said '

' *14. due to the static here. But, this is just for a specified emergency

l5. situaqion. This isn't just whim and caprice. If you havenlt got the

fuel to keep the boilers open you shouldn't be penalized by one par-

l7. cent. It's the' way the thrust of this bill was explained to me.

l8. PRESIDBNT:

19. senator Harris.

20. SENATOR HARRIS:

2l. The point 11m making is that they need fuel in the cold winter

22. months, but this eliminates the penalty and permits a school toi

close its year in May or June, and avoid the penalty 'which results

24 in not meeting the minimum number of days to hold school. It seems

to me perfectly logical for a school Jistrict to go ahead and schedule

26. some additional days at the end of the school year.

PRESIDENT:

28. f'enator Bloom.

29. SENATOR HARRIS:

30. If in fact they have had' to dlose down during the cold months.

31. SENATOR BLOOM:

thihk that take .this bill out of the rcord for the time

.33: being. .

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1. PRESIDZNT:i. j zcz'

, senator wootenuTake it out of èhe record. . House Bi13. . i . ized

.House Bill 210, Senator Egan. Senator Egan s recogn

4 . .SENTOR EGAN:

5. 'Thank you, Mr. President and members of the. Senate. If I may have6. .a bit of attention, Mr. President, I would like to explain...

7. PRESIDENT:

8* h is too much static. SenatorAs Senator Bloom described it, t ere

9. Eqan.

l0. SENATOR EGAN:

1l. Yes, khank you. I am the Senate cosponsor with Senator Lane on

12. House Bill 210. When that came into the Chamber I Was willing to13. i u y d:aaçcept the sponsorship at the request of Senator Lane, wh c

l4. very willingly. And as we progressed with the bill, I found it neces-15. i g the aotail clerkssary that we .sit down with the rlpreseptat ves o

l6. Union and thy representatives of the Retail Merchan#s Association amcng

l7' 11l so that it would satisfy a1l of theothers, to try to amend the bl8. g the chamber.antagonists and so that we could pass the bill out o

19. 'And as I progressed I Was very happy .to know that after about a two20. i1hour session with everykody ue decided that if we could only statutor y21. .maintain thè status quo, that should satisfy the needs of the consumers22. 'as well as the needs of the merchants, and the union agreed .to that...

23. 'aqreed at the end of that meeting that if we did thae that would satis-

24. ing of the Judici-fy their needs. And so with that we went to the meet

25. ament witùary Committee the next morning where I offered that amen26. another as an agreed amendment. However, I found that the agreement had

2?' beqn withdrawn Lehind my back, without my kpowledge And of cour.se con-) . * . 'e

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28 ' '- trary to what we had discussed the evening prior to that. And as a

29. d t the committee and it is not onresult the amendment was not offere a

30' i11 today. well, as a consequencè of that, Mr. President andthe b

31. i11' becausemembers of the Senate, I find myself unable to pùpport the b #

32- it is intended to do.. And as a consequence of allit does not do which

33. , è ' to withdraw as the prlncipal cosponsthese events z m qoing to ask l ave

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1 . ' ' '' and ask that Senator Lane take thè bill. Now, I have consulted wïth..

2* Senator Lane and Representative Kelly from'the Housi, who have sgonsorez3. the bill thai there is no ill will, there is no ill.feeling and I

4 ' ' ' '* , do this onlyy because ln attempt to geE somethïng that we could pass

F* my efforts were thusly thwarted and I must ask leave to remove myself

6 .' as the principle cosponsor.

7 .* PRESIDENT 2

8. Is there leavè? Leave is Vranted. Fouse Bill 210, Senator Lane.

9. House Bill 212, Senator Nudelman. House Bill 222, Senator Newhouse.

l0. House Bill 223, Senator Lemke. House Bill 229, Senator Vadalabene. .

1l. Read the bill.

12 SECRETARV: '* .

l3t House Bill 229.'


15. 3rd reading of the bill.

l6. PRESIDENT: '

l7. Just for the membership's edification the Sergeant-at-Arms informs

l8. us there are a total of fortv-nine persons in attendance. Senator

19. vadalabene.

20 SENATOR VADALABENE: . '

2l. Yes, House Bill 229 addresses itself to an attempt to provide ah

22. increase in the maximum levy for the operation of the Assessors Office

23 f t to two percent. However, in committ-ee hearing the. rom one percen'

24. House Bill 229 after much discussion was amended. The Amendment yo.

25. 1, which was a technical amendment, which insured that the one percent

26. tax rate for the Assessors Office be levied in addition tg the county

. .27. corporate rate., However, Amendment No.. 2, which had the approval of. .

7 ' hich would remove the28. thencaxpayers federation, Morrie Scott, that w

29. two percent tax for the Assessors offic'e and replace it.with a one

30. percent rate. This is, now, the current rate. Thus there is no tax

31. rate increase in this bill and I find no opposition with these two

32. amendmentà, and I would appreciate a favorable vote. .

PRESXDCKP: ' 2 ' ' *33;. : .

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Any discussiön? The question is sh.all Housa Bill 229 pass. Those. . . ., :: . ,, . ,.

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é u '' in 'avor will vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all:

j;voted.who wish? Take the record. On his question the Ayes are 39,4 '.* the Nays arè 2g with 3 Votinq PresenE. House Bill 229 having received

a constitutional majority is declared passed. Is there leave to go to6 '' the order of Resolutions for the purpose of a Joint Resolution? Leave

is granted. Read the resolution.

8. SECRETARY:

9. A Message fron the House by Mr. o.esrien, clerk.. *

l0. Mr. President - I am dârected to inform the Senake that the

House of Representatives has adopted the following preamblq.and

12.' joint resolution, in the adoption of whfch I am ânstructed to ask the

concutrence of the Senate, to-wit:

14. .PRESIDENT:

l6.

l7.

l8. PRESIDENT:

19. Rufes committee. House Bill 235. Read the bill.

SECRETARY:

2l. House Bill 235.

22. (Secretary reads title of bill)

23. 3rd reading of the bili.

24. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

Rulep Copmittee.

SECRETARY:

House Joint Resolution 40.

Senator Partee.

26. SENATOR PARTEE:

Mr. Prùsident an@ members. of khe'senate. ..House Bill 235 does

28. exactly what the Calendar says, and I'd appreciate a favorable roll

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29. call. The purpose of it is to have pebple who are objective make a

30. determination' as to the matker involved. I1d be happy to answer any

questions, or if not I'd ask for a favorable rol; call.

32. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) '

â3: àny dlscusslona The questlon ls shall nouse sill 23s paas. Th. ose

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1 ' i f avo: will vote Aye . Opposed will v'ote Nay . The votirïg, i: open .n

2 . '' Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that.question the Ayes

' are 42, the Nays are 6. One Voting Present. Senate Bill 235 aving

4 '- received a constitutional majority is declared passed . Returning tos '* the order of House bills on 3rd reading . House Bill 236 , Mr. Secretary.

6 ' SECRETARY:

-? * House B1l1 236 .

8 ' (secretary reads title of bill)


lO. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

ll' senator Partee. Senator Partee.

l2. SENATOR PARTEE:

l3. Oh: that's a companion of 235 that you just passed. Take these '':4. out of the record.

l5. PRESIDJNG OFFJCSR: (SSNATOR ROCK)

l6. Take it out of the record, Mr. Secretary. 278, Senaton carroll.

17. On the order of House bills on 3rd reading. House Bill 278, Mr.

l8. seeretary.

l9. SSCRETARY:

20. House Bill 278.


22. 3rd reading of the bill.i


24. Senator Howard Carroll.

25. SENATOR CARROLL:

26. Thank you, Mr. President. Thi: bill was part of the Rape Study

27. Conumission pagkage of billy. This deals with the insurance problem. . . . . . s . :. t ' ;. ' .: ' . : . . ' :' ' 5. . .. , . ;

28. and/ï.t provides that no lnsurance company can deny coverage for thosel .

29. injuries resulting from an act of rape Cand it has been amended to say30. that if you have a normal fifty 'dollaf deductible that would still

31. apply in this case. This would not limit 'that, but other than that

32. they çabnot deny treatment for that specific hospital care, and I

33: Would ask for a favorable roll call.

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. 'j ' . * ' ' ' jA* PRESIDtNG OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) .

2. Any dâscussion? :he question.is shall zouse.Bill 278* pass. .Those

3. in favor. . .l beg your pardon.. Senator Harris. '. 4 ' .* SENATOR HARRIS : '

5. senator carroll, my records show that this bill was to have- -there

6. ittee amendment discussed that wa's not adopted in the Committeewas a comm

1* Has the bill been amended? My Kecord does not show that it has.

a '* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

9. senator carroll.

l0. SENATOR CARROLL:

11 M understanding was that it had been'. 1'11 check with the Sec-. y

. l2. ' retary. If not I will take it back. The folder has been in my desk

13r for quite awhile. I have the amendment in my folder and, only one '

14. copy of it# so I assumed the anendment had been adopted.

15. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

l6. The Secretary indicates thqre is no amendment. n

l7. SENATOR CARROLL:

l8. Then will we take it from khe record and we'll later take it

l9. back. ,

' 20. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) '

21. Take it ou't. House Bill 300, Senator Lemke. 328, Senator Fawell.

22. On the order of House bills on 3rd reading. House Bill 328: Mr.

23. Secretary. ' '

24. SECRETARY: .

25. House Bill 328. '


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28. PZESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) '

i9. senator eawell. I. .

' j.30. SENATOR FAWELL:

31. Mr. President and members of the Senate. The'amendment to this

il1 is really more important khan the bi.l.l in its.original form. We i32. b

. ' 33; .simply changed thn nomenclature of County Superïntendent to Regional

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supérintendént inasmuch as we no longer have simply superintendents. . . l . .

(k! . ' .. :' . . '.'' * k W ' down 'to s'pventy-eïght regionalfor.each county n the Stake. e re' cu 3 . . : . ..'.. guperintendents, now, and after the end of.the next four year term

I believe wedll be down to approximatqïy 54/. as I recall, so that this5. .bill is the pay raise bill for the regional supernintendents and the

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I . j.new pay sdale is from zero to...forky-eight thousand. It s twenty-s x

thousand dollar salary from fort# -elght up to a population of one hun-B* ' i thousand. One hundred thousand to ninedred thousand it s twenty-n ne

9. hundred and ninety-nine to a million is thirky-one thousand and overl0. *a million is thirty-three thousand, which I think are relatively reson-

able salary scales. If there are any questions I'd be more than glad- to attempt to answer them.

PRESIDING OFFZCER: (SENATOR ROCK)l4. 1 souse Bi&l 328 asIs thpre any discussion? The question is shall5. amended pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote

l6. ' 'Nay. Thë voting is open. Bave a1l voted who wish? Take Ahe record.17 - '*

On that question Vhe Ayes are 43, the Nays are 1. One Voting Present.l8. étutional majorityHouse Bill 328 as amended having received a eonst

a19 '. '- is deqlared passed. 330, Senator...342, Senator...senator Hickey,

for what purpose do you arise?21.

SENATOR HICKEY:22. Mr. President, hoW am T recorded 'on 236?

PRESIDNG OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)24. 236 was taken from the record.

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26.

27.

SENATOR HICKEY:

Oh, it's taken frcm the reccrd.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCX). . r , . . . .

Yes, Makam. 342, Senator Netsch. 345, Senator Daley.

order of House Bills on 3rd reading. Hcuse Bill 345, Mr. Secretary..

SECRETARY:

House Bill 345.

(secretary reads.titlevof bill)

3rd reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

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33.

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1. senâtor Daley. '

g .' SENATOR DM EY :

3. Mr Presidenk and f ellow Senators . The bill' states it makes dis-f

4. crinination the basis o/ a discharge from the military service for

S* h than honorable con'ditions and unfair labor practice. I discussedot er .

6. this with senator Mitchler. There was a c6mpromise on this...on this

?- bill in regards to going up to only a general discharge and it did not

8. include the dishonorable discharge.


l0. Any discussion? senator Harris.

ll. SENATOR HARRIS:

12. . senator Daley, my record shows that there was to have been a technical

l3. apendment as a result of discussion in the committee. Are you familiar

14. with that or is this....

l5. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

î6. senator Daley.'17. SENATOR DALEY:

l8. No, I'm not. If there is 1'11 hold ât for a technical amendment.


20. senator Daley.

2l. SENATOR DALEY:

22. Hold the bill.

23. PRESIDING O'FFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

24. A1l right. Take it out of the recoyd, Mr. Secretary. 367, Senator...

25. 378. 396r Senator Hall. Senator Kenneth Hall. Do you want to call

26. it back, or you wish the bill called.

27. SyNATOF HALL: ..*. . . ' , t. . ' . '

28. I1d like to call back for purpose of an amendment.


30. Senator Hall seeks leave to recall zouse Bill 396 back to the order

31. of 2nd reading for the purpose of an amendment. Is leave granted?

32. Leave. 396 on the ovder of 2nd reading. vsenator..

33k SENATOR HALL:

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' fhank youp Mr. President. There arp two more amendments to go on

. ' the.bill. This one and Senator Latherow has ope. Now, this Amendment: ' ,bL . : .5 '. 3. No. 2.is, deletes the word on page 18 line.20, eminent domain. If

'''. -. . .! .' 1. you notice in thore it just deletes that and. I would ask that this

r. ' .. u * amendment be adopted .

6. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) '

7* The question is the adoption of Amendment No. 5 to House Bill 396.

8. senator Hall has moved the adopsion of Amendment No. 5. A1l those

: 9. in favor signify by saying Aye. Al1 those opposed. Thè Ayes have

l0. it. The amendment is adopted.

1l. SECRETARY:

l2. Amendment No. 6 by Senator Latherow.

. 13. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) .

14. senator Latherow.

l5. SENATOR LATHEROW:

k6. Amen&ient No. 6, >!r. President and members of the General Assem3ly,

l7. say that the powers contained in this Act shall not be exercised by

.. l8. the authority in an unincorporated area unless the exercise of those

: 19. powers therein have been approved by the governing body of tha county

20. in which powers are proposed to be enacted and I move the adoption of

2l. the amendment.

' 22. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR ROCK) '

23. Any discussion? Senator Latherow moves the ddoption of Amendment

24. No. 6 to House Bill 396. A1l those in favor signify by saying Aye.

25. A11 those opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment is adopted. Any

26. further amendments? 3rd reading. Senator, do you wish to come back

27 . to th:t bill?. T

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2 9' Yes . . , JJ '@ . . .

30. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) . '

31. okay. 420, senator Glass. On the order of House bills on 3rd .

. à2. reading. Hôuse Bill 420, Mr. Seeretary. .- 33; SECRETARY: ' ' .

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- 34. House Bill 420. '

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1.' (secretary reads title of bill.)'

2. 3rd reading of the bill.' v

3. PRESIDZNG OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

4 ' senator Glass .

5 . SENATOR crwhss :

6' Thank you, Mr . President and members of the Senate . Under thé

? . Eederal and state tax lalrs there is a deduction provided for renainder

B . interest in wills and trust kgreements tl'tat passed tp charities . How-

9 . ever, slnce 1969 the Federal Government has enacted the Tax Ref orm Act

l0. of thak year, whïeh reguïres the charitable remainders to meet certain

1l. drafting requirements and the Act...thank you, Mr. President. The Act

12. also required that cutstanding wills and agreements and new instruments

l3. conform to the Federal Estate Tax for the deduction to be allowed and

l1. have given a period of time ko accomplish that, so what this bill does

15. is allows trustees of the agreemenks that are not conforming.rto make

ï6. the required changes in order that they may qualify for khe''charitable

l7' deductions. And I would ask for a favorable roll eall.


l9. Is there àny discusslon? The question is shall House Bill 420

20. pass. Those in favor will vote' Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The

2l. voting is open. Have all voted.who wish? Take the record. On thak

22. question the Ayes are 48, the Nays are none. None Voting Present.

23. House Bill 420 having received a constïtutfonal majorïty is declared

24. passed. 425, senator Netsch. 450, Senator Glass. 474, Senator

25. Knuppel. 484, Senator Egan. Qn the order Lf House bills on 3rd reading.

26. House Bill 484, Mr. Secretary.

27., SECRETARY: ..''

/-l.huse Bilz 4a4.28.29. (Secretary reads tikle of bill)

30. 3rd reàding of the bill.


32 Senator Egan.

33: SENATOR EGAN:

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Thank you, Mr. President and members of'thé Sepate. The House Bill

484 'eliminates #he reqpire'ment th:t the State Boérd of Elections.and

3 countv townships, town or village clerks mail caupaign disclosnre forms

4. and instruction manuals to persons who file nominating petïtions. It

s. rather ,allows them to nofify the various persons who are...who have

6. filed nominating petitâons that they piek them up if they want them.

Nou, what it does is just ellminate a 1ot of mailing expense and a

g. lot of clerking expense in getting these campaign disclosure forms into

9 the hands of those that wish to have them. And I know of no opposition.* . .

lc. The office...the Cook County Clerk is in favor of this Legislation.

y1. Representative Jack Williams who is Mayor of Franklin Park in favor

g of it. It is the type of thing that wiil ease the burden on smalll .

:$ villages and I would recommend a f avorable consideration to you.l . . .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCX)

Is there any discussion? The.question is shall House Bill 484

16 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed wfll vote Nav.'17. 'The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On

1g. that question the Ayes are 44, the Nays are None Votâng Present.

19 House Bil1 484 having received a constitufional majority is declared* - .

passed. 495, senator Knuppel. On the order of House bills on 3rd20. .

reading. House Bill 495: Mr. Secretary.

22 SECRETARY:

Housa Bill 495.

24. (SecreEary reads title of bill)

zs 3rd reading of the bill.

6 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)2 .

senator Kpupjel!2 7 . . . . . . . .

SENATOR KNUPPEL:28.

jq House Bill 495 does approximately what was done by an earlâer Eillwhich passed out of here. Ik réduces the age for members of the...30

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serve on school boards to the age of eighteen years instead of twenty3 )- . ' . .

one. This is already a law in the City of. Chicago.with respect to32. . .

their appointment tkpe of school b6ard. It also includes, howaver,33;

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1 u . .' the school trustees as well . It ip a little broader than thg bill

2. which we passed. Andy.of coursez these 'are elected ppsftions. .Ay' ',k.

3* sition if it's an elective poiitïon, those people who eleck t%em havePo

1- the opportuniiy to view them and that th.is is an deceptable age sïnçp

5. that's the age of reason now for a1l other purposes'. I would apprecfate

6. a favorable roll call.

7- PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

8. Is there any :iscussion? Senator Mitchler.

9. SENATOR MITCHLSR:

lO. well, ask the sponsor. Did we have a Senate Bill that did the

l1. same thing?

12 PREsIDING'oFEzcéR: (SENATOR Roc'K)

l3. senator Knuppel. .

.14. SENATOR KNrPPEL:

l5. I didn't hear it, please.

k6. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK).1'/. May we have'some order.

18. SENATOR MITCHLER:

l9. Dïd we h:ve a Senate Bill that dfd the same thing as this?

20. PRESIDING oFrIcER: (SENATOR ROCK)

21. senator Knuppel.

22. SENATOR KNUPPEL: '

23. This bill as I explained goes a bit further and includes the î

24. school trustees. I assumez county school trustees. But, it does...

25. we already have passed a bill which reduces the age Eo eighteen for

26. memDers cf :he school boards. Yes.

27. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCM)

28. y,kpnator Nimrod.j . ''' '

29. SENATOR NIMROD:

30. Yes, Mr. Presideni, on a. question. ' Doese..does this repeal the

31.. appointmen' t of students to the boards, then?

32. PRESIDIN'G OFFICER: (SENATQR RCCK)

33; Senator Knuppel.

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4* PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) ' .j'

5 j '* It.s probably the noise. Senator Nimrod. .

6. ssuavoR xIMRoo: '

7* Yes Senator Knuppelz does this repeal any part of the law Which

g '* requires the students to be appointed to the boards without voting

9* membershipz which we hqve provided expenses for thi: year?

l0- pnzszozxG oFFIcER: (ssNAToR RocK)

ll. senator Knuppel.

12. SENATOR KNUPPEL: .

l3. I didn't hear the question fully, but if I understand what you said,

l4. I think it does not. This has only to do with school boards and school

15. trustees. It has nothing to do with these college boards where theylre

16. to have student members and they're to get some expenses. .

'17. 'PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR ROCK)

l8. Any further discussion? The question is shall House Bill 495 pass.' l9. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those oppofed will vote Nay. The voting20. is open . Have all voted who wlsh? Take the record. On that question

2l. the Ayes are 30, the Nays are l6. None Voting Present. House Bill 495

22 '' having received a constitutional majority is declared passed.. Senator

23 '' Harber Hall has requested a verificaticn. W1l1 all the members please

2l. be in their seats. Mr. secretary, reaé the affirmatïve votes.2S. SECRETARY:

' 26. The following voted in the affirmative: Bloom, Brady, Bruce, Buzbee,

27. carvoll, Daley, bemuziot Donnewald, Doughprty, Egan, Kenneth Hall, Hickey,.. . . . . . . . ë . . . .. . , ' .. . . ;, . . . . u . . ' ' . .' . ' .. . .1 . . ' .' . . . :. ' . ' .. .. . . . . 2 . . . . * ' ' . q

28. Hynes, Joyee, Knuppel, Kosinski, Lemkey.Mccarthy, Morris, Netsch, Nudel-

29. man, Rock, Roe, Savickas, Schaffer, Smith, Vadalabene, Welsh. Wooten,

' 33.. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) '

32. Senator Vadalabene is in the wellc Senator Hynes is With Senator

. 33;' Partee. Senator Wooken is righk be'hind you. Alright, the roll call has

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1. been kerified. The Ayes are 30n the'Nays a're l6. None Voting Present.

.. :- .'2. H Bill 495 having receiyed a èonstitutiànaf majority is declaredouse

:*3 é tion of the' membership , khere has. . passed. If I might have the att n

4 . been a request of the sponsor to remove a bill f rom the agreed list on

s '* page 19 , House Bill 1070 . 1070 . At the request of the sponsor will

6. be stricken from the agreed list and placed on the ordinary...another

7. sponsor, 1730 will also be removed at the request of the sponsor. So

B. on page 19 you strike 1070 and 1730. They will be placed back on the

9. Calendar in the regular ordqr of busineps. And 1739 a1l on page l9.

l0. Each at the request of the sponsor. Be stricken from the agreed list

ll. and place on the regular order of business. 1070, 1730 and 1739. Do

l2. we have leave to go to the order of Messages from the House. There are

13. some requests for conference committee which we can expedite. Leave. '

14. Mr. Secretary, Messages from the House.

l5. SECRETARY:

l6. A Messkqe from the House by Mr. O'Brierw Clerk.

l7. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the

l8. House of Representatives has refùsed to recede from their amendment

19. to the followlng title bflls:

20. senate Bill No. 4, Senator Mitchler is the chief sponsor.

2l. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

22. We've got to request a conference cbmmittee on al1 these. Is that

23. correct? Okay. Is there any forxalization? Cohferen'ce Committee.

24. SECRETARY:

25. Senate Bill No. 57, Senator Rosinski is the chief sponsor. They

26. refuse to recede from their amendment.

27. PRESIDING QFFICER: (SENATOF .ROCK)

28. Alright. With respect to Senake BiTl 4'Senator Mitchler moves that

29. we arcede to the request of the House f$r a conference committee. The

30. question is shall the Senate exceed to the request of the House so that

33.. a conference committee be appointed. A11 those in favor signify by

32. saying Aye. All those oppos'ed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries.

a3; senate Bill 57. senator Kosinski, do you wish a conference committee?

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1. @' The question is shall the Senate accede'to thO request of Ehe .House.that

2. a conference committee' be appointed. All those in favor signify by .

3* sayinq Aye. A:2 khose opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries .

4. and the Senate exceeds the request to appoint a conference committee.

5. SECRETARY:

6. senate Bill No. 211. Senator Davidson is khe chief, sponsor.

7. PRESIDING orrzczn: (SEMATOR Rocx)

g' Senator Davidson. senator Davidson moves that the Senate aecede

9. to the reguests of the House that a conference committee be appointed.

l0. A1l those in favor signify by saying Aye. Al1 those opposed. The

ll. Ayes have ik. The motion carrfes and the Senate accedes ko the request

l2. to appoint a conference committee.

l3. SECRETARY:

44. senate Bill 295. Senator Dougherty is the chief sponsor.

l5. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

l6. sanator Dougharty, do you wish a canference commiktee? Senator

17. Dougherty moves'to aecede to the rêquest of the House that a conference

18. committee be appointed. All thase in favor signify by saying Aye. All

l9. those opposed. The Ayes have it. The motâon carries and the Senate

20. exceeds to that request.

21. SECRETARY:

22. senate Bill 419. Senator Mprris ls tie chief sponsor.


24. conference committee. Senator Morris moves thak the Senate accede

25. to the request of the House that a conlerence committee be appointed.

26. Al1 those in favor signify by saying Aye. All those opposed. The

27. Aves have it. The moticn carries and the Senake accedes to the Housefs. . . ? ,

8 j-.2 . requë st .

29. SECRETARX:

30. Sqnate Bïl1 432. Senatok Pafkee is the chief sponsor.


32* Senator Partee moves thak the Senate accede to khe request of the

33: House twat a conference committee be appointed. All those in favor

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signify by siyins Aye. A11 those opposed. .The Ayes have it. Thes .:, .. .. :' * . .

- 0* motion carries and the senake accede . t6 thë rdquest of the House.

SECRETARY:

Senate Bill 638 and Senator Donnewqkd is .the chief sponsor.

PRESIDING QFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

Senatof Donnewald moves that the Senate acce'de tO the request7 . '* of the House that a conference committee be appointed. A1; those in

9. favor siqntfy by saying Aye. All those opposed. The Ayes have it.

9. The notion carries and the senate accede to the House's request.. @

10. sscaaTARy:

ll. senate Bill 640. Senator Donnewald is the chief sponsor.

l2. PRESIDING OFFICCR: (SENATOR ROCK)l3. sepator Donnewald moves that the Senate accede to the request of

l4. the House that a conference committee be appointed. A1l those in favor

signify by saying Aye. All those opposed. The Ayes have ït. The

l6. motion ci/ries and the senate aecede to the kouse request..

'17' SECRETARY:

18. senate Bill 642. Senator Netsch is the chief sponsor.

l9. pRsszoxuc oFFlcER: (SENATOR Rocx)20. senator Netsch moves Ehat the Senate accede. to the request of the

2l. House kha: a conference committee be appointed. A1l those in favor

22. signify by saying Aye. All those oppofed. The Ayes have it. The

23 h st ef the House.. motion carries and the senate accedas to t e reque

24. ySCRETARY:

senate Bill 682 and Senator Egan is the chief sponsor.

26. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)Senator Egan moves that khe Senate accede to the 'request of the

. . .( . ' . '. ' ' : ' ' ' ' '' '.. . ! . : . . ' ' . l . . . ' . . .House that a conference con%ittee be appointed. A11 those in faMof

signify by saying Aye. Al1 those opposed. The Ayes have it. The

3û. motion carries and the senate aecedes to the request of the House-

SECRETARY)

32. Senate 5121 944. Senator Don' koore is the chief sponsor.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SXNATOR ROCK)

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Senator Don Moore moves that the Senate accede.to the request

of the House that a conference committee be appointed. A11 those

in favor signify by saying Aye.. A1l those oppos'ed. The Ayes have it.

4 '' The motion carries and the Senake aècedes to the request of the House.

SECRETARY :

6 '* And Senate Bill 945. Senator Don Moore is the chief sponsor .

PRESIDING OFFICER': (SENATOR ROCK)' Senator Don Mocre again moves that the Senate aacede to the request

9. of the House that a conference ocmmittee be appointed. All those

10' in favor signify by saying Aye. Al1 those opposed. The Ayes have it.

l1. The motion carries and the Senate accedes to the request of the House.

12. gack on the order of House bills on 3rd reading. Middle of page 5.

l3. 497, Senator Partee. House bills on 3rd reading. On the order of House

l4. bills on 3rd reading. House Bill 497, Mr. Secretary.

15. SECRETARY:

l6. House Bill 497.

l7. (secretary reads title of bill)

l8. 3rd reading of the bill.

19. Ppzsroluc oFFIcER: (SENATOR ROcK)

20. senator Partee.

21. SENATOR PARTEE:

22. Mr. President and membprs of the Senate. This bill does 'precisely

23. what the calendar says. It is a traditional thing and I'd expect the

74. roll call to be favorable.


26. Any discussion? The question is shall House Bill 497 pass. Those

iù favor .will yvotç Ayel. aThose) opposed .Fil1 Motç Nay. ..The. yoting is

28. open. Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question

29. the Ayes are 54, the Nàys are none. Noie Voting Present. House Bill

30. 497 having received a constitutional majority is declared passed.

3). 525, vsenator Newhouse. 527, Senator Knuppel. On the order of House

32, bills on 3rd reading.. House Bill 527/ Mr. 'Secretary.

33; SECRETARY:

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1jHouse Bi l 527.

' 2. (secretary reads title of



5. senator xnuppel.

6. szxATon xNg>psL;

Mr. Chairman and members of the Body. House Bill 527 sponsored by

B' Representative Rigney in the House and by myself in the Senate, creates

9. a revived and renewed Illinois Brands Açt. Abouk two or three years. @

10. ago when the price of cattle became quite high there was a rash of

ll. burglaries of cattle rustling in Illinois and one spot, I think, Nas

l2. alleged.'it was being done by helicopter. It became apparent then that we

l3. had an ,archaic brands bill where a person could register a brahd in a

14. county clerk's office and it only had to be witnessed by two of his

l5. neighbors but it had littAe affect in this day of high mobility of

kruck and okherwise. This bill would require the Departmerlt of Agri-

l7. culture to take over the Branding Act and co/ies of those brands on

l8. file with the county clerk would have ko be forwarded to the Department

l9. of Aqriculturek They would prepare a book showâng #he registered brands

20. and these brands would then be distributed to sheriffs and other law

enforeement people who are requïred to check on stolen cattlç and so

22. forth. Also, al1 places slaughtering c'attle would be required to keep

23. records of those animals which were branded, for the p-olice or others,

24. and..vso in the event of stolen caktle this could be checked out. There

25. is a fee and there was a dispute in committee about the size of the fee.

26. The fee was reduced from twenty-five dollars to fifteen dollars and

27. .then #9< the renqwal Jftqr 4 five ygqq pq<ipd from fitty ko twenty- . .. : < ': ' ' '' ' 7

28. five. Certainly the bill is an improvepent, in my opinion, over what

29. we Mave, because what we have is so locàl it is of no value at all. It

2 to be'if cattle were stolen, of co'urse, they had to be moved by30. use

wagon or by footr but toda'y with trucks, planes, helicopters and other-

wise, if we're goïng to have' brandlng at al1 it must be on a statewide

33; blsis. recommend this as a...aE least an adequate and a good approaeh

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to a proilem that could develop. IE had developed a cou/le years.ago..

2. here. Cattle and livektock aqain being worth...gekting to be wfrth

3. ' uite a bit of money and this is a real possibility with animals béing 'q

1. orth four or five hundred dollars a pi'ece. would appreciate aF

favorable roll call.

6* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCk)

i ? The question is :hall House Bill 527...SenatorAny discuss on

2. Latherow.

9. SENATOR LATHEROTC:

10. well, Mr. President, first of al1 I'd like to rise in opposltion to

this piece of legislation and state to you what I khink khe purpose of

l2. a brand is. The purpose of a brand is to identify one personls owner-

l3. ship from another person's ownership. And in the case of this particular'

piece of legislation, this is not the prinary purpose of this legislation.

Its purpose is to use lakpqehforcement. Now, I think two things that

you must recognize now. Cne Qf them especially as someone in order ko

l7. be l .law enforcament officer and to make this an affective law enforce-

18 i lar brand. I just recentl- ment aqency must be able to read that part cu Il9. have purchased some livestock from Nebraska and just as this bill passed

20. the committee and I asked a gentlemèn out there what it kook to become

21. a brand inspector. He said abop: two and one half years of schooling.

22. Now, otherwise, we're goinq to make professional brand inspectors here

23. in the state of Illinois by passing House Bill 527. We're, also, going

24. to do with this bill a few extra things., which the? don'k do with the

resent branding law. knor, think, tlte f ee of thirty f ive centsP

can go into my county clerk ' s of f ice and reglstor brand today and get

27. . .the sgme idçntiqql. thing. .lahpt cap .qek with thip branding act exeepk . . .

j% r '28. for iablication of a book. Nowz today :o...if this passes I 11 come

29. to the State of Illinoi's those branding,books that are on record with

3o. the county clerk will be forw'arde'd here and then we'll, also, get a

book published of the entire lisk of brands in the State of Illinois.

32. I had a couple of question; I wanted to ask before I finiqhed my re-

marks and one of those, Mr. President, if the sponsor would yield.

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1. pRsslozxc oFFIcER: (SENANOR Rocx) '

2 ' 'He indicates he will Jield.3. SENATOR IATHEROW:

4 ' How many instances of liveskock' rustling do you have in a year in

5. the State of Illinois?

6 . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

7 . Senator Knuppel .

g '. SENATOR KNUPPEL:

9 . I don' t have statistics on how many in the State of Illinois , but

10 . I know it occurs rather regularly in the county . . . in counties where I

l1. live that you ' 11 have three or f our instaqces a year where somebody

12. steals some cattle in each of those countfes. So, I'd assume you'd

l3. have three or four instances...three or four hundred instances in the

l1. Stake of Illinois.

l5. PRESIDING OFFICER! (SENATOR ROCK)

16. Senator Latherow.

.17. 'SENATOR LATHEROW:

18. Some of those, of course, could be hogs rather than cattle, or

l9. sheep and so on lïke that. That other qu/stion...



22. SENATOR KNUPPEL:. :

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23. Of course, I don't know of anybody branding these ûnimals, but

21. the Branding Act does provide that khey could be sheep and hogs too.

25. But, generally speaking, thè rustling that I referred to is more...

26. we have in those counties I would say an inskance of two or three

27. inst#nces a ygar cf cattle that have been stolen and that would...l. . . . x

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28. donft know what it is in your area, but.l'm assuming based on that

29. you could have as many as three hundred .instances a year of cattle

3o. that were stolen. A 1ot of timés it's Bomebody locally who butchers

3). the animal possibly themselves and itls just one or two animals.

32. PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

aa; Senator Latherow.

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appreciate the elongated qnswer to my question.. . '

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Now of course, it says also wherever .you.ùarket' this particular'

. % :4 . animal that Ehey, also , must read the brand . '. I know you re Well

s '. acquainted around livestock auctions where all these qattle are checked

6 . in :nd so Yorth. And that particular livestock ' is checked in and the

7 . man who ' s .marking it on the right hand side çertainly he cannot read

:. a brand on the left hand side. And if he doesn't read that pyrticular

9. brand and read it correctly he's in violation of the law. Every live-

l0. stock auction in the state of Illinois will have to have a brand in-

spector there in order to read th:t brand, and you well know it, Senator.

12. Right. donlt mind seeinq something used for a proper purpose but

when we start using a brand law here in the State of Illinois to use

l4. for a law enforcement effort that's entirely wrong of the scope of the

Act. Now, brands are used, as for identification

l6. of liveskock from one ownership to another. And you have compulsory

l7. branding you might be successful in your brand identification of live-

l8. stock for 1aw enforcement. I have my brand nlnmher and okher people

l9. around have i6. But, we use. it to identify our livestock from the

20. other person's livestock. Mr. President, I think this bill should be

21. defeated.


mentioned earlier,

23. Any further discussion? Senator Demuzio.

24. SENATOR DEMUZIO:

I'd like to ask the sponsor a question.


27 . .ile. indicates he Will yield. . . .

28. SENATOR DEMUZIO:

29. This is a voluntary act, is it not?f'

30. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCX)

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a2. SENATOR XNUP/EL:

Senator Knuppel.

33; By khat you mean, the farmer has to choose to. Nobody has to brand

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' . their caEtle doesn't have to'and tbey don't have to pay the fep. '

2 ' .* PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR ROCS) . .- . t'''':$ . :.. ' Any f urther disèussion? .

. . . .j4 . .* SSNATOR KNUPPEL : .. . . . . .

5 * ' d like to respond . . . .

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6* PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR ROCX) . ill

1* You will have the opportunity . Any further discussion? Senakor i. I

9* KnUPPeI may close .the debatQ. 1. . . l9. SENATOR KXUPPEL: jl0. well, while half of what... . l

lll. PRESIDIUG oFFIcER: (SENATOR Rocx) 1

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. Excuse mew Senator. Senator Latherow.

l3. SENATOR LATHEROW: .t. I

'14. Mr. President, I'd like to have the privilege of answerïng that '

15 ;' voluntary act portion. Today recognize we have a voluntary act that

l6, cost you thirty five cenEs. Under this Act it costs you twenty-five .

/. ' dollars and theh you renew it.vwfail to renew it on time it costs youf

1:. fifty dollars. So, we're just getting for twenty-five and fifty dollars

l9. what we get today for thirky-five cents. '

20. PRESIDIXG oFFIcER: (SENATOR aocx)

21. Alright. Any further discussion? Senator Knuppel may close the

22. debake. iJ

23. SENATOR KNUPPEL: . :1' (

24. well, in response to what Senator Latherow has.to say, part of it '. l

25. is accurate that one of the reasons you brand cattle) one of the reasons26 . ou branded cattle was that they didn' k have f ences and they ran on the !

Y .27 . range when thi: Ack wa: originall.y put: ozl . My Jrandfather used to run

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28. catt/'a and they would go out and sort them out from somebody elses ' i( . '

29. cattle ove: in the woods. They had open range here in Illinois just.

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j30. like they had in' the west and that way you eould identify your cattleg

31. but that's not the only reason. I'd like Eo know, if I want to brand

32. my cattfe, I'd like to know that I can have some kind of protection at

33; the slaughtoring house, the auction houses and other plàées. I just '

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1 . ** had the experience a few years ago of having a man' trace a pony al1 the

. way from Enid, Oklahoma through a'sale barn in Tulsa, Oklàhomap a sale

3 '. barn in Eansas Ciky and an auction sale at the fairgrounds in Pptersburg.

1. In space of less than three days..thàt pöny mcved fron where he was

S* stolen 'on Friday night and he was sold the last time on Labor Day: Monday

6 '' at the Petersburg..oor Menard County Fairgrounds. Nowk thexe is an

3* additional purpose besides just identifying your cattle. Now, with8 v , s-' respect to reading brands I 11 admit that a lot of people aren t qual

9. fied to read brands, but still in case of cattle that have been stolen

l0. and marketed I'm sure we could find somebody to read them. This would

11. be under the direction of the Department of Agriculture, it would be

l2. helpful to law enforcement officers. I say itïs a distinct improvemen't

l3. over that 1aw that was passed even though the okher one cost thirty-

14. five cents. One time my little dauqhter was selling potholders she

15. had made and some olher chïld was'selling them and the other child wasl6. selling them for fifteen cents.and she was selling them for''twenty-five

17. and the teacher asked her how eome she was charging twenty-five and

18. the other qirl was charging fifkeeq and she said you qet khat you pay

l9- for. You know, and this is kind of true. Por thirty-five cents you

20. don't get much and we miqht just as well not have a branding act for

2l. al1 it's worth. Today with fences and people know kheir çattle well

22. enough. It isn't as if they were running on open range anymdre. I. k'

23. say webre without a branding act. This is one thing tYat will give us

24. some proteetion. Itds sponsored by rural people in the House. It's

25. supported by the Department of Agricul/ure here in the State of Illinois,

26. and I think it's good legislation for you people who might be torn be-

... ' .27 . . tween . choices of. two ;if ferent. people who. are rurally . priented k. .1 . . .. .. :

28. suggest this is good legislation, it's Voluntary legislation and it

i9. ought to receïve a favorabie rol; call. Thank you.


i ' i favpr will31. The question is shall House Bill 527 pass. T ose n

32. vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay'. The voking'âs o/en. Have a1l

a3; voted who wish? Take the record. On that question Ehe Ayes are 36,

l- 37 '1

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the Nays are 15. 1 Voting Ptesentx House Bill 527 as amended having

i d a constitutiohal majority is declaxed passed.. 569, Senator.rece veRegner. On the order of House bills on 3rd reading. Rouse Bilî 569,

Mr. Secretary.

SECAETARY:

House Bill 569.

(secretary reads title of bill)

3rd reading of th'e bill.


Senator Regner.

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ll. SENATOR REGNER:12. Yes, Mr. #resident and members of the senate. Thls ls anokher

13.. Mobile Home Taxation sill. It is sinilar to one passed two years

14 it in the Revenue Committee that was. ago. An amendment was put on

prepared by the...a membe: of the Cook County Assessors Office and

î6. provides for notificakion: enforcement, penalty and clears up some

l7. language rpgaréing the taxing district...18. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR RocK)19. senator Revner, there's been a request that this bill be held.

20. Take it from the record, Mr. Secretary. 581, Senator Nimrod. 598,

21. senator Fawell. 598, senator Pywell, do you wish that called?

SENATOR FAWELL)I need my file. Is it possïsle I couid return te this in just

24. a few seconds?

25. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)26. I'm sure it is. 607, Senator Bell. Yes or No. Yes. On the

27... . . order. .of Hpuse billg on .3rd. .reading . House Bill 607 .

J28 . SEC-CETARY :

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33k Senator Bell.

litle' of biîl)House Bill 607.

(Secretary reads


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1. SENATOR BELL:

2. Thank you; Mr. President and members of the Senatek' Bouse' Bill

3. 6O7 addresses ltself to the problem of .families whose names have been

4. placed on priority list under the r'esidency preference criterian affect

5. the date of thefr applicatïon. This is in reference to public housing.

6. What has happened is that there has been various Public Housing Authori-

7, ties a little jockeying around of these nales and people that8. these lists have for some period of time have found that other people

9. have puE in.o.been put in ahead of them. And Rouse Bill 6O7 seeks to

' simply address that problem by saying that once that authority, takes

11. that name on that authority's list that it must proceed in a...in a

Manner meeting the guidelines of that authotity and can't be jockeyed

l3. around so that people find somebody else superposed ahead of him

14. outsïde of the Authorities' prerogative. I think it's a good bill.

l5. had no problems in cgmmittees and I ask for a favorable roll call.

. l6. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR RQCK)

l7. Is there any discussion? The question is shall House Bill 60?

: l8. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will voke Nay. The voting

l9. is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that quettion

20. the Ayes are 49# the Nays are none. 1 Voting Present. House Bill 607

2l. having received a constitutional majoriky is declared passed. 612,

. Senator Brady, do you wish that called? Senator Brady, 612.' Okay. 0n

- 23. the prder of House Bills on 3rd readïng. House Bâll 6î2. Nr. Sectetary.

24. SECRETARY:

25. House Bill 612.


28. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR

29' senator Brady.

-- 30. SENATOR BRADY:

: 3l. This is a new act creating Illinois Welfare. âpd Rehabilitation

Services Planning Actw Zt sets up a detailed goal and manner achievingi .

z 33. the goals and it's report submitted by departments to the General2

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. .. r . . .- 2. fiscal year and the future yéar, anà it is to bd reported backcurrent

:as of April 1st. 1:11 answer any quesiions'o' n it, and if there are

4- none z urqe a favorable roll call.

5 '* PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR ROCF)

6' Can we have just a little bit more ordér then we have had .

7* Any discussion? Senator Harber Hall.

8. SENATOR HALL:

9 ' j' Senator Brady, this is the first I ye seen of this bill. Can you

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l0. give me an idea how many people would be employed to adminlster this

11. new act?

12. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR ROCKi13. senator Brady.

:4. SENATOR BRADY:

senator, I don't have. a plan of how many people wopld be employed,

16. but these departments now are writing their requïrements and putting

l7. them in for the budget. This iseo.this is môre a dekail of whak they

18. did in a past sequence of events and what they're currently doing

l9. against. what t'hey propose vo do to give everybody an idea of the directio

20. the department is taking. don't think it is soing to require any

2l. new personnel.

22- PRESIDING oFPIcER: (SENATOR ROCK)

23. senator Harber Hall. *

24. SENATOR HALL:

25. Are these people goïng to be the people who administer this, is

this going to be some type of commission or..ohow will these people

27. be appointed or is the depaçtment going to. administer this act without .

28. any new people.

29. PRESIDIN; OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

30. Senator Brady.

33.. SENATOR BRAPY:

32. Senator, these plans will be dr:wn up and it says in section three

33; oh it that they may be required to submit these to the Bureau of the

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3 . . '* PPVESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCM)

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6. Well, I just wonder vhy the departmeat can't be doing this now.

7. Eveby department does planning and everything. what is this-- what is

8 . ' Ithis giving the State of Illinois that they shouldn t already be getting?

9* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

1c .* Senator Brady.

ll. SENATOR BRADY:

l2. senator, in my opinion what it gives them is a...is a look at

l3' something that the department did in the past and is heading into in '

. ,14. the future. It better defines the goal and whak they're trying to

l5. achieve towards the future is all.

k6. rpœslDzxc orrIcER: (sENaToR Rocx) .

l7. Further disèussion? senator Mitchler.

l8. SENATOR MZTCHLER: .

l9. z.d like to ask the sponsor uhat the cost of this new planning act

20. vould be?

ak* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROC:)

22. senator Brady.

23. ToR BRADY: ' . 'SENA

24. senator Mitchler, theydre...ue donlk have a spècific cost on it,

25 it's not adding any personnel ànd most of the' work is being' because

26. done riqht now. TheyCre just asking for a format tc add the dekailed

27. repqrt that is preseqtly.the informatiop is being accumulated in a. . .. t . . . . i . . . . . .. : . . . . . . :. . . . ' ' . . . , . . ' . . . . . v

28 diff/-ent manner and is being submitted'to khe General Asssmbly by '* .-1-

29. April 1st of every year. .

30. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR' ROCK)

31. Senator Mitchler. '

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33; The bnly thing, this...this has to cost more money.' Because it's

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1. another r'eport, it will be submitted to the keneral A>sembly. I just; . '' got a f ive year plan for either Mental llealth, ox Public Aid z or some-

3* body . I think it was about three inchs thick . 'J'he cost of this prlnting

4 ' ' .* and all, and in a time of austerity and the Governor has called for a

5* reduction in funds, this does have a note here, fiscal note, maybe

6. applicable. This is bound to cost more monekp and another thing is you?* comt up with a three, four year, five year plan, you get a new administra-

8* i the second floor, they discard 'it and they throw it out thet on on

9. window. I never seen them follow a plan more then three weeks around

l0. here. We don't even conform to our own rules and regulations. This is

ll. just another cost and another bureaucratic part of Governhent. Although,

l2. ft sounds like ft's nïce to put a plan, but vefre just too flexible

l3. in state Government and ïn the departments to follow any plan that they

l4. would propose to the Bureau of the Budget, to the Governor, to tha

l5' General Assembly, or to anybody. And lt's just a waste of time. Bad

16. bill. vote ft down.

l7. Pnzslolxc oFFIcER: (ssNAToR Rocx)

l8. Further digcussiona senator Don Moore. .l9- saxaToa MooRs: '

20. Thank you, Mr. President and members of the Senate. I rise in

al ', support of this bill. Particularly in the field of Public Aid. When

22. the Legislative Advisory Committee went to the State of' California to

23. investigate khe welfare refotm that went through therc, We were given

24. a book of the plan to reform the welfarp system in the State of Cali-

2b. fornia. What their goals were, what their needs were and what

26. legislation was needed in order to accomplish this. It was a plan

27. . th.ey had iu the .beqinninq, . .If wç would have had such. a plqn in the , .

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28. state of Illinois we would be much further ahead with the Welfare re-

29. form proqram in the stàte of Illinois then ue are now. I think this

30- is a good bill, I think that the members of the General Assembly should

31. know where some of these code departments are soiùg, what they feel

32. they need to achieve,.the goals that they .do want to achieve. I.think

33; it's a good bill and I would solicit for. ït.

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4 .* Thank you, Senator . Mr . President and f ellow Senators . In title

s .* twenty, which has to. do with the Chlldrèn and Family Services Area, the

6' Federal Gokernment in some of its mandates has already required this .

7 * What we' re doing is trying to bring all of the deparkments which are

8 ' dealing with human serviees under this plan to give us a better idea

9 . of their future goals . I urge a favorable zoll call.

l0* PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

l1. The questïon is shall House Dâl; 6;2 as amended pass. Those in

l2. favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open.

13. Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question the Ayes

14. are 38, the Nays are l1. l Voting Present. House Bfll 612 having

l5. received a constitutlonal majority is declared passed. 622, Senator

l6. Hynes, fo/ what purpose do you arise?

.17. SENATOR HzNEs:

l8. Mr. President, on a point of personal privilpge. '

19 oa Rocx). PRESIDLNG oFPlcER: (SENAT

20. state your point.

21. SENATOR HYNES:

22. I would like to lntroduce some disfinguished guests âhak ar&uvith23 if and family of our acting '. us in the gallery to our rear. The w e

24. President, senator Rock. Sheila Rock, Kathleen, Megan, Colleen and

25. JJ, and I'd ask that they stand and be aeknowledged by the Senate.

26. PRESIDING OEPICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

27. yeah, they're on-.-tpey're watching >he Republicap' s this week.'..(. . . .. ! . . . . . . . . . . . . :.. .c . - . . 2 - . . , . .: : t. . . % . .. . . . . . .. . . . . . .. . z , . . g . :. . . . . . . : (7. . . .. . . . . : . . t . . ..28. 622, Senator Daley. 623, Senator Savickas. Hold. 626, Senator

29. Palmer. On the order of House Bills 0n''3rd reading. House Bill 626,

30. Mr. Secretary.

31. SECRETARY:

32. House Bill 626.

3J; (secretary rea'ds title of bill)

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PRESIDINU OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

Senator Palmer.

SENATOR PALMER:

Yes, Mr. President and members of'the Senate. House Bill 626 Jro-

vides that the Chief Examiner of Titles may represent the registrar of

titles in court proceedings undek this act. The reason. for this act

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s secause the state's attorney of the county represents azz countys

8 '- officers. Sowever, a11 titles that are registered under the Torrens9. Act that beeome involved in legal proceedings

, the registrar is served

10. ons and must answer the proceedings. Mld-'it has been' bywith a summ

l1. the ccnsent of the state's attorney that at present that the Chief

l2. Examiner's.of title does, now, represent the Registrar of titles. A1l

l3. we're doing now is doing by statute what is being done in practice.

14. PusszoluG oFrIcER: (SENATOR RocK)

15. senator Glass.

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yield.

l9. pRsszolxG orezcsR: (sENAœoR RocK)20. He indicates he will yield.

SENATOR GLAss:

22- senator Palmer, am I correck that Cook County is the only county23. that has the Torrens system?

Thank youzMr. President. A question of khe sponsor if he will

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)25. senator Palmer.

26. SENATOR PALMER:

Yles, Senator Gl#ss, you are çorreçt. .'' ' . ' . ' . . . t . . . . ' . . 1 . $ . . .. . ' . . ' . . .. . . . . .. . ' . . . ; ..

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t29. senator Glass.

SENATOR GLASS:3 1 ' .- Well, in that case I'm wondering why tkere's a home rule amendment32- on this bill. zt says that there will.o.tliis is not a limitation on33* a home rule county

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' i lly want èhat amendpent.Cbunty it s a qood bill i you rea2. pRsslozxc oFvIcER: (éEuAToR Rocx)

3. senator Palmer.

4. ssxaToa paLMàn:

5. wezl z. ..z reazly don't know hov to answer that except there is. #

6 '- another insertion here that in the application, well, that would still

7 - be khe same reasoning. In the application they requlre that the ID

8 - kunb r be inczuded in reqlstering tltle's. well, that would still onlyn e

9. apply to regissered titles and I don't know why you need a home rule

10. amendment.

ll. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR ROCK)

12. , senatpr Palmer.

13. SENATOR PALMER:

l4. I've been kold thak this is not a pure home rule amendment. It

15. just takes a lot.--it's not a limitation on this county.16 . PRESIDING obnrlcEit: lseuATon R()cK)

' 17 - An f urkher discussion?y

18 . ssxal'olt PM MER:

19. z move for a favorable roll call. .This is the practice now thatls

20. being engaged and we're asking for a favorable roll call.

21 ' voR Rocx). PRESIDING orrIcER: (sENA

22. The question is shall House Bill 626 as amended pass. Those in

23. favor will vote Aye. Those öpposed will vote Nay. Th'e voting is open.

24. Have all voked who wish? Take the record. On that question the Ayes

25. 49 the Nays are 1. Non' e Voting Presentk House Bill 626 havingare ,

26. received a constitutional majority is declared passed. On the order

27.. of nouae bills oa 3rd reading. Housy Bill 598, Mr. Se.crekaçy. . . . .' l . - . ' . . ' '. ' '. G x z. J. . . . '. r . '. C J . .' ' ' '. < . . . ) . '. . . ' '.: J' . ' .w ' ..5. . ' , ' .' 'R'' ' ' '' , '' '. * *. .. ''

28. SECRETARY:

19. House Bill 598.



32. PRESIDING OPEICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

33; Senator Fawell.

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SENATOR FAWELL:

2. M President. and members of th'e Sqnate. Thi's is very-mhch.Yes, r.

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7. amendment that Was prepared by the Department of Mental Hea1th setting

8. up a revised schedule with : limitation of one hundred dollars for any

9. family that would be placlng chïldren ân a private care facility, we

l0. findvp.or khe department finds that they will become elgible for Medicaid

ll. coverage can actually mean an inerease income to the State of Illinois

of approximately five million dollars and î think that's rather con-l2.l3. servative. sot this bill, I think, passed out unanimously in the House

':4. and I know of no oppositïon: but also a very fervid backlngz now, by

15. the Department of Mental Health.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR ROCX)

17. Any discussion? The question is shall House Bill 598 pass. Those

y8. in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is

l9. open. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the reeord. On that queskïon the

2c. Ayes are 47r khe Nays are l Voting Present. House Bill 598 having

received a constitutional majority is declared passed. 638, Senator22. Xnuppel. On the order of House bills on 3rd readinq. House Bill 638,

which we didlike Senate Bill 323 pass out quite some time ago. It

tains to tàe responsible relitive charges qnd under tie schedulez..Per

this is Gene Hoffmanls bill, it amends another sectlon of the Mental

Health Code, but pertains to the same subject matter and under the

Mr. Secretary.

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House Bill

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SENATOR KNUPPEL:30. .

y Mr. Chairman and members.of the Body. 'House Bill 638 is designed3...

to give 'some additional protection to the employee who's borrowed or

working on a job as to whether heês working for a subco:éractor or a33;

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contractor if he flles a clalm against one er the othe/, it is deemed

h ' h has filed 'in a tiMely manner. ind he's proteeted even though2. t ak e

3. he may have filed against wrong the person. This is the way it should

4. be. I know it happens frequently wsere several people working on a

5. job and theytre borrbqing employees back and forth. This is proceduralthing and a man ought not to be deprived of .his riqht to 'recover under

6.7. Workmens Compensation Act by the mere fact that he has filed against

8 somebody he thinks is employing him when in fact someone else is the

9 responsible party. Both partïes probably carry insurance and Ehe 1n-

zc. tention''is to protect the employees. This is good legislation. Ought

11 to receive even a unanimous roll call.

?RESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR ROCK)l2.

Any discussion? Senator Sommer.13.

SENATOR SOMMER:l4.

Senatbr Knuppel, will you yield for a question?15.

t6 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)' 17 He indicates he v.ii..'i yfezl. sqznixizoz scukaile.r .

g SSNATOR SOMMER:1 .

19 What is the provision of the Civil Practice Act of the Supreme

ao Court rules in relation to this topic in a normal civil action?

ay PRESIDING QFFICER! (SENATOR ROCK)

22 Senator Knuppel.

SENATOR ENUPPEL:

Well, would say if you filed agains't the wrong party and I'n not24.

too sure about ïk# but I would think ycu would gek somev.wsome leniency25.

but that if you had filed against the wrong party and the statute had26. ,

run that you'd bb out of court. But, we have a little different thing27. , . . . ..

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' ith respec: to workmen's compensation lp tfae f act it covefs a11 of ihe'w28.

loyees and 'the idea is that you get a recov'ery. It's a little more29 emP

lenient, because'of the problems that arise and you don't have to prove30.

negligenee or anything so that there is insurance.and the purpose of3 t .

the insurance is to protect the employee. While in a ciyll case youpre32. . .. .

on your own. You row your own boat. I think itls an entirely different33;

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1. th4nq. it protects where there is. an ln'terchange ok emyloy-eesv, ypu I

2 . don' t know who it is that covers you on a job. . '- .. '''>'

3 .* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

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6 . Well Senator Knuppel, T subritït to m u that the colmnon law has al-

7. f il actice acks. Thatkays been and we ve retained that in all our civ pr

8. tf you file against the wronq defendant you don't stop the statute of

9* Limitations and youere out of court.

l0. pnzslolxc oFezcEn: (SENATOR Rocx)

11. eurther discussion? senator Knuppel may close the debate.

l2. SEUATOR KuuPPEL:

13. A1l I say is the workmens compensation is a statutory remedy. It

' 14. lsn't a common law remedz. And it's there for the protectïon o/ the

15. employe, and it's very dif'ficult sometimes? very difficult, and Ifve

i6. handled...l don't handle a vreat nœmber, ,but I handle qufte a few

l7. uorypens comp ca'ses and it rises frequently as to whether a person is

l8. actually an employee of the contraetor, the subcontractor or is a

l9. loan employee. ïf he files he knows he's been hurt, there's an inter-

20. relationship between the contractor and the subcontractor and this

2l. fact ought to protect the employ#e. He has a short filing date too,

22- whlch is one year as opposed to .in common 1aw a two year filing date.

23. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR RocK) '

24. senator Graham, the debake has been closed. For what purpose do

25. ou arise? '

26. SENATOR GRAHNM:

. .77.. . Wqll/ thqn.; wopld.ask .pp 6 ppint of peyson#l privilege.on this .:.

28. subj/at matter to say to the Gentlemen and Ladios, this if passed will29. provide a very possible expensj ve precelent. And I hope we vote No. y

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33.. Senator Glass, for what purpose do you arise?

32. SENATOR GLASS: .

33; Well, Mr. President, 1...1 do realize the debate has been elosed. j' j

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l 2. Body will allow.it one'..to understand khe bill. . .'

3* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCX) 'I '4 '* Leave is granted. State your Yueskion. '5. sgxhToR Gcass: .

d. Thank you, Mr. preszdent. senator xnupfel, under the bill would7. it, in fact, expand coverage. That is if an employee of a subcontractor

8. is injured now does he have a claim against the general, or would this

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. l2. SENATOR KNUPPEL: '

l3. .No, and this answers senator Graham's problem. He's entikled to '

14. only one recovery. This just protects him againsk making a mistake

l5. when he's under difused supervision and it's difficult to tell and he

i6. sues one partye files'the claip aginst one party and it turns out later'

17 ' ifferent party. But, he only gets one recovery.. it ouqht to have been a d

l8. PRESIDING ogezcsn: (sENAToa RocK)

19. Any further discussion? Senator Knpppel. The question is shall

20. House Bill 638 pass. Those in favor wlll vote Aye. Those opposed kill

2l. vote Nay. The' voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Take the

22. record. on that question the Ayes are 32, the Nays are 18. None

23. votlng Present. House B1ll 638 having received a consetitutional majorïty21. is declared passed. senator Morris: for what purpose do you arise?

25. SENATOR MORRIS: '

26. I1d like to.o.voting on the prevailing side to reconsider that voke.

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28. Having voted on thew..senator Morris having voted on the prevailing

19. side moves to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 638 has passed.

30. Senator Joyce moves to Table. All in favor signify by saying Aye. The

' 31. motion is Tabled. Senator Partee, for what purpoéç do you arise?

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)3J Eor the purpose, Mr. President, of an announcement. .

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''r: . 7j. . ; . g j; .' * announcement. May We have some order. 'Sena or Partee.

4 ' . .* SENATOR PARTEE: . .

5* At eleven a.m. this morning there will be a rathex brief Jofnt

6' Session in the House of Representakives. Captain Eugene Serman

7. a ndtive of Illinois who Was the spacecraft commander of Apollo 17

B' will be present for the purpose of bequeathing lunar samples to the

9. state of Illinois. They will be receivyd on behalf of the State by. *

10. the Governor, and we are appointing senator savickas, Mccarthy, Joyce,

11. Mitchler and Howard Mohr Eo escort the Governor. We will leave here

12. at five minutes before eleven for that purpose. We will return

l3. immediately after that ceremony. And while I'm on my feek 1et me point

k4. out that after we return we will go to the order of House bills on

15. 3rd reading and we will gp khrough the Calendar taking first the appro-.

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l6. priations bills. It is obviously that it must get to the Flouse as

:7. quickly as possible, and after we shall havebgone khrough all of the

18. appropriations bills we will retùrn to wherever ke were before we left.

' 19. PRESIDING oFFïcER: (SENATOR R0CM)

20. 645, senator Latherow. On the order of House bills on 3rd reading.

21. House Bill 645, Mr. Secretary.

22. SECRETARY: ' '

23. House Bill 645. ' ' '


. 25. 3rd reading of the bill.

26. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR ROCK) .

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28. SENATOR LATBEROW: .

. 29. Thank you, Mr. President, I wonder i'f I could have leave to take .

ap 645 and 646 together. 646 does to the':oating Act what 645 does to /

- 31. the Snowmobile Act.

. 32. PRESIDING oP#IcER: (SENATOR ROCK) ' I' j 6 Is zeave sranted? I.' . 33; ' The senator seeks eave to explain 645 and 64 .

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SENATOR LATHEROW: v7.

These bills stâte that a person under ten years of age cannot

4. operate a snowmobile or a motorboat. They also say that anyone under

5. twelvew . .over ten but under twelve may operate providing they have

6* soneone over eighteen years of a:e who has been authorized by khe

7. parent or guardian to aid them in the operation. Those from twelve to

g. sixteen may operate wikh someone eiqhteen years of age or older or

9. they may operate by themselves providing they have passed a State boat-

10. ing and snowmobile examination or schooling. Now, this...and also thosç

ll. who haveo..are sixteen years of age and have an automobile license may

12. operate a snowmobile or motorboat. It, also, sets up within this a

school to be operated either by or through the Department of Conserva-

44. tion, and at that school to go to it would cost you two dollars and

a half. A dollar and fiftk cents, whieh would come to the Departmentl6. and one dallar would be retained sy the perscn who conduatad the schoal.

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17. If it is conducEed strictly by the Department that two fifty would re-

18. main there. A certificate which has been issued by another state for

l9. those over twelve and under sixteen or by the providence of Canada that

20. was sinilar to the school conducted'by the State of Illinois, those

2k. persons could operate a snowmobile or notorboat in the State of lllinois

22. without the license. appreciate a favorable roll call and would

23. be glad to try to answer any questions.

24. PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

25. Any discussion? The question is s/all House Bill 645 as amended

26. pass. Those in favor will voke Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. The

27. voting is ppqp. ..iiav; al& voted .who Jvâsh? Tak: the reeprd. On that

lt i Present.28. quest..on the Ayes are 48, the Nays are none. None Vot ngHouse Bill 645 as amendëd having receivçd a constitutional majority is

30. declared passed. On the ordér of' House bills on 3rd reading. House

Bill 646, Mr. Secretary.

32. SECRETARY:

33; Housi Bill 646.


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3rd readinq of the bill.

a . . .' PRESIDING OFFICBR: (SENATOR ROCK).

3* senator Latherow.

1 * SENAI'OR LATEIZROW:

5. Thank you, Mr. President. This has to do with the Boating Act

6 - what I explained before jointly with the Snokmosfle Act.

7 * PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR ROCK)

8 ' Any discussion? The question is shall House Bill 646 pass . Those

9 ' in f avor vill vote Aye . Those opposed will vote Nay. The voking is

10- open. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. Senator Berning,

ll. for what purpose do you arise?


l3. on a point of personal prâvilege.

14. paEszolNG oFpIcER: (SENATOR RocK)

l5. state your point, sir.

î6. ssxavoR BzRxzuc:

l7. z,d llke to point out that the bill just passed with my support1:. and for which I commend the Bodyp is to a large extent identical with

l9. House Bill 15. Thank you.

20. PAESIDING OFFCIER: (SENATOR ROCK)

2l. on that qûestion the Ayes are 48, the Nays are None Voting

22. Present. House Bill 646 having received a constitutional najority is'

23. declared passed. Senator Soper, for what purpose do you arâse?

24. SENATOR SOPER:

25. Well, just wanted to 'alert the Body and let them know the differenc

26. between the two bills was 36 votes. 0ne got 12 the other got 4:.

27.:. PRESTDING OPPICERP (SPNATQR RCCK) . .. . .. . . .: . . w . . . '. r ' . ' . .: .

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28. Alright. Gentlemen, we will now stand in recess until immediately

)9. after the Joint session. Now, we're asked to go forthwikh to the House

30. for the purpose of a Joint Session. Thè Senate stands in recess.

3 1 .RECESS

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33; AFTER RECBYS

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' '' i. The Senate will be in order. Messages iron the House.. . J 'T' 3 . '. . SECRETARY: . .

4. A Message from the House by Mr. OlBrien, 'Clerk.

b- ' Mr President - I am directed io inform the senate that the* .

6. House has concurred. . othe House of Representati/es has concurred wikh

7. the Senate in the passage of the following bills along with House

8. amendments.

9. Senate Bill n:lmher 443, wikh House #mendments number 1r 2, 3, 4. @

l0. and 5. senator course is the chief sponsor.

ll. Senate Bill numher 463, with House amendments number 2 and 3.

l2. Senator Renneth Hall is the chief sponsor.

l3. Senate Bill number 637, with House amendments 2 and 4. Senator '

l4. Partee is the chief sponsor.

l5. Senate Bill number 661, with House amendments 1, 2 and 4. Senator

l6. Johns is tEe chief sponsor. ' '

l7. senate Bill number 663 with House amendménts number l and 2.

l8. Senator Philip is the chief sponàor.. . '

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19. Senate Bill number 749,w1th House amendment numher 1. Senator

20. Parkee is the chief sponsor.

2l. Senate 3ill number 882, with House amendments l and 2. Senator

22. Fawell is the chief sponsor. '. ' è

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23. Senate Bill number 968, with House amendment numbeY 1. Senator

24. Netsch is the chief sponsor.

2$. Senake Bill number 447, with House amendment number 1, 2, 3 and 5.

26. Senator Rock is the chief sponsor.

27. . Senate Bill number. 1048, with Douse amendmenk number 2. Senator . ..J f .1 . . . ' ' . ! '' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' . .'. . . . j ' ' . .. '

28. Regner is the chief sponsor. . .

29. Senate Bill number 1049, with House'.amendments number l and 2.. . I30. Senator Vadalabene is the chief sponsor. I

' j31. Senate Bill number 1113, with House amendments number l and 2. ' I

32. Senator Howafd Mohr is the chief Kponsor. . . I' j

)3; '. Senake Bill number 1497, with House amendmenk number 1. Senator I. i

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l 1. serning is the ehief sponsor. . .

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2. senate Bill'number 1499, w'ïth'House amqndments numbe/ l and '2.' 3* senator course is the chief sponsor. .

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j - . * PRESIDENT:I 5 r .* Al1 f rom the Secretary s Desk. May the Chair have ygur attention.I

6 '' Ik occurred to us when Captain Cernan was speaking that many of you

7 ' v* may desire a copy of his remarks. On that basis we ve asked them in

8. the House to give us a copy so we can reproduce it for a1l members of

9. the Senate Who may desire it. Tn addition thereto I am going to ask

l0. the sergeant-at-Arms .to come and have someone circulate thi: picture

ll. so khat you can personally see it, examine it and then welll, of course,' l2. bave it encased in a permanent kind of way and we'll hang it in the

l3. President's Office for the future. I think maybe keld like to just14. personally see it and examine it before we prepare it for the future.

15. so, wefll just pass ât .to the members and so they may a11 see it. The

i6. Chair had announced that ke Would be going to the order of Nouse Bills

17. on 3rd reading and goinq to the appropriations bills first. Now, the

18. very firsk one and I do not see the sponsor. I'm goinq to go right

l9. down 6he line until we :et back to those sponsors when they arrive.

20. senator Palmer is recognized- .-senator Rock.

2l. SENATOR ROCK: .

22. I think we may find that senator Romano is ill. I would be happy,

23. to handle 726 if you wish to call that one.

24. PRESIDENT: .

25. Fine. senator Palmer is recognized on a point of personal privilege.

26. SENATOR PALMER:

.. .. .. . v .27 ., .-.,. . rt '..k:. j.us.t . va'ntect., to -coltunen,t. .on.rth. e guests we . ha4.,.. tzh. o d.el.ivçred.. .us.. -,. , , .. r.28. PRESIDENT: '

. 29. ' Well, one mopent, please. May Senator Palmer have your attentïon.

'- 30 . SENATOR PALMER: '

31. ...who delivered a beautiful speech to the General Assepbly todaye

he Astronaut. Butz I kind ofy you kn'ow, had a peràonal feeling about.. 32. tA. . . '

. 33; itr because ny wife once asked me to buy ber a mink coat, and I said

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1.11 buy.you a mink coat when man walks.on the moon. So lgok what

2. happened to me/.#-

3. PRESIDENT:

4. Thatfll keach you. House Bill 726, Senator Rock.

LECRgTARY:$.6. House Bill 726.

p (Secretary reads tftle of bï11)

g 3rd reading of the bill.

: PRESZDBNT:

lc Senator Rock.

SENATOR ROCK:ll.

Thank.youp Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate.l2. .

House Bill 726 is the annual appropriation for the ordinary and con-

tingent expenses for the'Department of Insurance in the amount of four14.

5 million plus dollars . . .l .

PRESIDE'NT :l 6 .

. k t O1:, Eanatzr Rzck, I ':ït sœrry . Let ' s holtl this One . 'Jot to te.lk '

to you about that.l8.

ln SENATOR ROCK:

zn yïne. Take it out of the record.

1 PRESIDENT:2 . .

Take it out of the record . '' ilouse Bill 73l e Senator Smith . House2 2 .

3ill 7351 Senator Vadalabene . House Bill 745 p Senator Buzbee .23. .

SECRETARY:24.

House Bill 745.25.

(Secretary reads title of bill)

3rd reading af the bill.:.:.'( . . ' : ' l '. ' 'PRES DENT : ' ' ./ -..isenator Buzbee.29

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SENATOR BUZBEE:3ô.

Thank. you, Mr. President. This is the .appropriation for the ordfnary3 ). .

and contingent expenses of the state civil service commission for the32.

fiscaz year beginning July 1, .75.. and z would ask for a./avorabls rollaak .

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'''i1* The quéstion is shall House B1ll 745' pass. Those in favor will

4. vote Ave. opposed xav. The votinc is o'pen. unave all voted who wish? ..' 5- Take the record. on this question the Ayes are 49, the Nays are none.

6e With none voting Present. House Bill 745 having receïved a constitu-v

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' ' tiohal majority is declared passed . The Chair would make the announce- ' 8. ment that most of these bills have been amended and have to go back to

9* the House and theyîll proiably be conference committees on al1 of them.. *

l0. And on that basis we will qo back, senator Rock, to House Bill 726.

ll. senator Rock. '

12. SECRETARY:

l3. Hquse sill 726.

:4. (secretary reads title of bill)l5. 3rd reading of the bill. '

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*17. Thank you, Mr.'president and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. .' '

j l8- House Bil1 726 sponsored in the senate by senator aomano is the 1Y-76' l9. appropriation'for the Department of Insurance that has undergcne a

20. committee amendment which reduced it approxâmately four hundred thou-

2l. sand dollars. I know of no objection to it in its present form and

22. I vould seek a favorable vote. '

237 pResrosNT: . .

24. The question is shall House B1ll 726 pass. Those in favor will

25. vote Aye. opposed say. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who

26. wish? Take the record. Have a1l voted who wish? Take khe record.

27. on thls guestion the Ayes are 52z the Navs are none, Xeith none Voting. g . . J . , . . . ' ' ' . .. . . . . . ' . ' . . ,.1z8.'present. House Bill 726 having received a constitutional majority

. ?9. is declared passed. House Bill' 731, Senator Smith. . '

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. 31. House Bill 731. .

32. . (Seeretary reads tikle of bill) .

< . 33; 3rd reading of the bill. . .

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PRESIDENT:

Senator Smith.

jSENAROR SM TH :4. I'm willinq to accept that, members of the

I 5. senate. Definitely Ifm ready and wllling t6 accept the roll call

6. on this bill.

7* PRESIDENT:

8. The question ls shall Hzuse Bill 731. pass. All. in favor will

9. vote Aye. opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who

l0. wisha Take the record. on this question the Ayes are 49: the Nays

l1. are none, with 2 Voting Present. House Bill 73l having reçeived a

l2. constitutional majorit). is declared passed. House Bill 816, Senator

l3h Lane.

14. SECRETARY:

l5. House Bill 816.


. 17. 3rd read.ing of the bill.

18. SENATOR LANE:

l9. Yes, sir, Mr. President and members of the Senate. House Bill 8l6

20. is the annual appropriatlon fot the Department of Financial Institutions.

21. I request a favorable roll callz.

22. PRESIDENT:

23. The question is shall nouse Bill 816 pass. Those in favor will

24. vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish?

25 . Take the record . On this . question the Ayes are 49 , the Nays are none '

26 . wikh Moting Present.. ilouse Bill 8l6 having received a constitutional

'':. . ,'s'. .77,.. . znajority is) declaxed.'qms-tssed'. ' : flcuse 3,12.7.. , 836.. . ...Th& . Cllaïr. recognizes'''..

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/28 . SenatwJr Carroll .

29 . SECRETARY :

30 . House Bill . . .

3 ). . PRESIDENT :

. 32. Senator Carroll is recognized on 836.

33; SENATOR CARROLL:

Mr Presldent' and

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) '' Thank you, Mr. /resïdént. I would ask leave to bring thïs billj .v -. back for purpose of aïendment.3 '. PRsszosxT:

1* Is there leave? Leave is granted. 836 is on 2nd reading. senator

5 . 'carroll.

6. SENATOR CARROLL: '

1* Thank you, Mr. President, I have an amendment to House Bill 836,

B* which restores two stenos that were neéded, because of the increased

9. work load in the court of claims. They thought they were temporary

l0. help when khe committee had taken them out. They have since then ex-

ll. plained and they've agreed to allow them to be put back into the budget.

l2. z move adoption of Amendment No. 2.

13. pusslosuT:

l4. senator carroll moves the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill

l5. 836. A1l in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment

ï6. No. 2 is adopted. Any further mmendments?

.17. .sEcRsTaRy:

18. Amendment No. 3 by senator Carroll.

19. PRESIDENT: '

20. senator carroll.

21. SENATOR cARaotL:

22. Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 3 fs an ïncrease ln the '

23. revolving fund for the victims of..qcompensation of Vkctims of

24. crimes Act ko increase the revolving iund from one hundred and fifty

25. thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand, and we have, this Session

26. given them the auEhority to pay a1l awards as they award them rather

27. thqn limiting it' tc a thousand dollars. I pov, the adoption of the. . . . ' r . . z ' u .1 . .!' . . . . . . : ' ; . ' . :( '

28. amendment.

29. PRESIDENT:

30. Senator Carroll moves the adoption 6f Amendment No. 3'to House Bill

31. 836. Al1 in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Ayes have it.

32. Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Any further ayendments? 3rd reading.

33k House Bill 944, Senator Clarke. Is' anyone else on the Floor who could

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5. ard readlnq of the bill. .

6 .* PRESIDENT : . ' '

7 . . ' .* Senator Weaver .

B. saxATon wsAvER: . .

9. Thank you, Mr. President. Thls is the annual appropriation to the

10 i lative Audit Commission. We have not tried to reduce this, the .. Leg s

ll. six percenk on these small commissions. We'll leave that up to the

l2. Governor. so/ I'd.nove for a favorable roll call.

l3. PRESIDENT:

'14. The question is shall House Bill 944 pass. Those in favor will

l5. vote Ayg. opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish?

i6. Take the record. On this questfon khe Ayes are 54, the Nays are none.

l7. with none voting Present. House Bill 944 having received a constitutiona

- l8. majority is declared passed. House Bill 836: Senator Carroll.l9. SECRETARY:

20. House Bill 836. . '

2l. (secretary reads title Qf bill)


23' PRESIDENT: '

21. The question is shall this bill...senator Carr6ll. The questipn

25. is s!4all this bill pass...House Bill 836. A1l' in favor will vote Aye.

26. opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the

.27. .. recordr .On th.i4rqHestipp.qtbe Ayes a<#'53,. the Nayp arç .none,.With ..- ...

28. none/.'bting present. House Bill 83G hakins received a constitutional29. majority is declared paised. House Bi11 993. Senator Buzbee.

30. SECRETARY: '

31. House Bill 993. .

32. (Secretary reads title of bill) .

- ' 33: 3rd readlng of the bill. . ' - - '

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2 . . * '* Senator Buzbee.

3. ssunvoR BuzBEE:

4. aozl call.

5. PRESIDENT: .

6 '' The question J.s shall House Bi1l 993 pass . Those in f avor vote Aye .

7. opposed vote Nav . The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Take

8. the record. on this question the Ayes are 5l# the Navs are none, With

9. none voting Present. House B1ll 993 having received a constitutional

10. majoritv is declared passed. House Bill 1048, Senator Kenneth Hall.

ll. ror what purpose does Senator Mccarthy arise? Pardon me. Good.

l2. youse Bill 1048, Senator Kenneth Hall.

13. SECRETARY: .

L4. House Bill 1048.



l7. PREszosxT:

18. senator Hall.

l9. SENATOR HALL:

20. ehank you, Mr. President. This is an appropriation for the ordinary

2l. and continqent expenses of the Commission on Human Relations. There is

22. a six percent cuk in here.and it, also, euts out the fifty-twp thousahd

23. in section tko for demonstration experimental projects.. I ask your

24. most favorable support.

25. PRESIDENT:

26. The question is shall House B1ll 1048 pass. Those in favor will

27. vote Aye. opposèd Nay. The voting is open. Havé al1 voted who wish?

28. Take the recobd. On this question the Ayes are 52, the Nays are noner

?9. with 3 voting Present. House Bill 1048 having reeeived a constituticnal

30. maiority is declared passed. House 5ill 1056, senator Kosinski. Senator

31. Kosinski is recognized.

32. SENATOR KOSINSKI:

33; I wish it was so. Mr.'presideht and members of the Senate. I ask

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PRESIDENTI

Is there leave' to return

bill back t0 .2nd.: . .

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the bill to the'order of

the purpose of an amendment?

2nd reading

Leave is .granted. Senator Kosinski.

for


t. Senatof Regner is the gentleman...l wish

PRESIDENT:

I could put...

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l0. Mr. President, Idm not very happy for the cut in this Inter-Govern-

ll. mental Com ission...co= ittee..v.com ission, because thpse are real

12. hard, an awful hard working people and I don't think that most of us

Senator Regner is recognized.

realizq that this Commission can help us a great deal. We don't know

14. their advantages for us, the Chairman Latimar has done a outstanding

job, and so has his staff, buk I shall...wellr kake it out of the

l6. record.

l7. PRESIDENT:

l8. For what purpose does Senator Welsh arise?

l9. SENATOR.WELSHf

20. wonder if we could take this bill out of the record. A question

2t. has just come up, Mr. President'. l'd like to talk to Senator Regner.

PRESIDENT:

23.' Take it out of the record. No, just a moment. We''ll return it to

24. ,..Wel1, it's on 2nd reading, we'll return it to 3rd and then we'll be

25. where we are. there leave to return the bill to 3rd reading? Leave

6 is qranted. House bills on the order oà 3rd reading. House Bill 1086,2 .

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29.

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32. PRESTDENT:

senator Demuzio.

Bouse Bill 1086.

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' Thank you, Mr. President and members of the Senate. This is. the ''>. ' .a. .

3. appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois

j ) ' '* Commerce Commzssion. I know of no opposition and I urge the roll call.

S. PRESIDENT:

6. The question is shall Rouse Bill 1086 pass. Those $n favor will7* voke Aye

. Opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted Who wish?

g ' .' Take the record . .on this qpestion the Ayes are 50, the Nays are none.

9. With none voting Present. House Btll 1086 having received a'constitu-

l0. tional majority is declared passed. House Bill 1303, Senator Kennethll. Hall.

12. SENATOR HALL:

l3. 1...1 would like leave... '

14. PRESIDENT:

l5. Just a moment. We have to read the bill first.

l6- SENATOR KAXL)

.17. . I'd like leave of the Senate to have it returned Ec 2nd reading.

18. PRESIDENT:

l9. Is there leave to return the bill to the order of 2nd reading.

20. SENATOR HALL:

2l. For purpose of an amendment.

, 22. PRESIDENT:

23. Leave is granted. '

24. SENATOR NALL:

25. senator Rock has an amendment.

26. PRESIDENT:

27 The bill is on 2nd readj.ng. Senator Rock is recognized.. . . . . , .. V

28. SENA/3R Rocx:1 .

29. Thank you, Mr. Pres'ident. Amendmenk No. 3 at the Secretary's

ieve, 'Mr. Prbsident, Senator Partee. ïhis30. Desk under your name, I be1

3).. would restore in the cosntittee we made a cut in the affirmative action

32. operatlo'n of approxlmately sixty thousand dollars. This amendment,

i t and i would move '33k Amendment No. 3, would restore forty of that s x y,

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' . PRESIDENT: '. - . ; *;' 4 .y 'u* Senator Rock moves the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to House Bill

4 '* 1303. A1l in favor say Aye . Opposed Nay . 'rhe Ayes have it . The

q 5 '17 * amendment is adopted. Any further amenéments? Senator Hall. JuskI 6. a moment

. àenator weaver has a 2nd amendment- -'anokher amendment.I . '

7. sEcszTauv:I .

1. 8. Amendment xo. 4 by senator weaver.

. . PRESIDENT :. *

ï0. senator weaver. .

ll. SENATOR WEAVER:

12* Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment increases the general

l3. revenue appropriation to match Federal funds received under the Inter-

' l4. Governmenkal Personnel Act from thirty six thousand, ffve hundred to

' l5. sixty thousand and adding twenty three-thousand, five hundred. It.

16. also, apprùpriates six hundred thousand from the Inter-Governmental' 17. Personnel Act Pederal Trust Fund for state aHd local grants. This

l8. completes the kransfer of local Mrant funds from the appropriation. %

l9. of. the. Depa/tment of Local Government Affairs to Personnelz and I

20. move its adoption.

2l. pRssIoENT:

22. . senator weaver moves the adoption ok Amendment No. 4 to House Bill

23- 1303. All in favor say Aye. Oppused Nay. The àmendmbnt is adopted.

' 24. Any further amendments? 3rd reading. Senate...House Bill 1502,

25. senator Howard Mchr. Read the bill.

26. SECRETARY:

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30 . PRESIDENT : ' .

31. Senator Howard Mohr. '

32. SENATOR MOHR: ' ' '

33; ' The bill's just exactly that, Mr. President. I move for a favorable

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2 ' . ' * PRESIDENT : ' . . .- . ' v>>'i 3 ''* The guestion is shall House Bill 1502 pass. Those in favor vote

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4 ' ' ' '* Aye. Opposed Nay. The voting is open.. . Have all voted who wish? Take

I ' .5* the record. On this question the Ayes are 49, th@ N' ays are none z withE

6. 1 Voting Present. House Bill 1502 having received a constitutional'

j '7' majorïty is declared passêd. House Bill 1303, Smnator Kenneth Halà.

'8. sEcRETARy: ' .

9. souse Bill 1303.

10. (secretary reads title of bill) '

11. 3rd reading cf the bf11. ,

12. PRESIDENT:

13. The question is shall House Bill 1303 pass. A11 in favor will '

.14. vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish?

15. Take the record. On khis 'question tie Ayes are 5l, khe Nays are none.

î6. With l Voting Present. House Bill 1303 having received a eonsEitutional

17. . majority is declared passed. For what purpose does Senator Johns arise?

18. SENATOR JOHNS:

l9. Just a mgtter of record. I would have vcted affirmative but I

20. was pushing a button for a fripnd whols watching in the rear. Thank

21. you, Mr. President.

22. PRESIDENT: '

23. The record will so show. And the reascnr also. House Bill 1717.

24. SECRETARY: .

25 House Bill...Housl Bill 1717.


27. 3rd reading of the bâll. .

28. PRES/3ENTJ .; '

?9. The question is shall this bill pass. Those in favor vote Aye.

. 30. Senator Regner. ' '

31. SENATOR REGNER:

32. Jupt' one seatementw Mr. President and members of the Senate. This

. 33; is a new program that's starting and if wefre qoinq to écntinue the

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1. operation we've had for the last couple of weeks regarding new programs

2. I jùst want to remind.everyone.

3. PRESIDENT:

4. Take it out of the record. House Bill 1881, Senator Rock. Rouse

5. Bill 1882, Senator Rbck. Well, Senator Rock is tlcognized...

6. SENATOR ROCK:

7. . I would ask leave, Mr. President. Ilve agreed to hold 1881 at khe

a. request o'f the House sponsor. 1882 there is an amendment on the Secre-

' Desk I'm told and Ifd like leave to bring 'it back for the9. tary s , ,

lc purpose of that amendment.

11 PRESIDENT:yz Is leave granted? Leave is grantedk Hquse Bill 1882 is on the

order of 2nd reading. Senator Rock. Senato'r Donnewald desïres tecog-l3.

14 nition.

15 SENATOR DONNEWALD:

l'6 Yes, this..othis incorporates the language of Senate Bill 1120 ke

'17. .passed out of this Chamber last week. ; ltluee iLs adoption.

zg PRESIDENT:

zq senator Donnevald 'moves the adoption of Amendment No. l to House

2c Bï1l :882. A1l in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Ayes have it.

a1 The #mendment.is adopted. Any further amendments? 3rd reading.

House Bill 2790, which is a companion bill to the one we p' asaed making22. .:3 for addikiohal leaders in the House. .

:4 SECRETARY:

House Bill 2790.1b.

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PRESIDENT:. % . . . . . . t . . r . . . . . : , . . ai ' ' i is 'shalfllouse'Bill i7jù p'assz éicse fn iavoéT e quest on2g. .

Aye. opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish?19.

Take the record.' oh this quùstion the Ayes are 50, the Nays are none ,' 3c.

Mith 2 voting Present. House Bill 2790 having received a constitutional3 1 .

majorlty is deelared passed. Eouse Bill 1802, Senator Rock.32. ' . '

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House Bill 1882.. :

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4. PRESIDENT:

5. Thhat's the one we just amended. I assumed you wanted to pass it.

6. Thatls the one we just amended.

SENATOR ROCK:

8. That's right.

9. PRCSIDENT:

l0. The question is shall House Bill 1882 pass. A1l those in favor will

11. vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted kho wish?

12. Take the record. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this

question the Ayes are 5l# the Nays are none, with none Voting Present.

14. House Bill 1882 having received a constitutional majority is declaredl5. passed. House Bill 2991, Senakor Bloom.

l6. SECRETARV:.

.17. House B1ll 2991.



20. PRESIDENT:

21. Senator Bloon.

22. SENATOR BLOOM:

Thank you, Mr. Presidenk and fellow Senators. This bill does what

24. the synopsis says it came out of the Appropriations Committee on the

25. Agreed Bi1l Lisk, and I'd apyreciate a favorable roll call.

26. PRESIDENTZ

The question is shall House Bill 2991 pass. Thosd ân favor will

'vote Aye. opposed Nay. Th'e voting is open. Have all voted who Wiàh?

29 Take the record. On this question the Ayes are 54, the Nays are none,

with l Voting Present. Housn Bill 2991' having received a eonstitutional30. .

majority is declared passed. Are there any other appropriation bills

of House bills on 3rd reading thak the members degire called? Is32. .

senator vadalabene on the Floor? Are you ready, now, on (machine cut-off).33:

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A ' . The amendment is here. Very good.' The'chair has an announcement withp '

' *' reference to the rest bf the day''s schedule.. The Senate will cdntinue ''''

3 . .* with this ordér of business untf 1 4 : 00 p .m. today. The Approprïations . E . ' . .' 4. commtttee wizz meet at four. we will rbturn to the eloor for turther .

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business on the Floor at seven. That will give everybody a dfnner hour

6' and it would give those on Appro/riations a chanee , also # to have1 ' dinner bef ore we come back at seven . 'Senator Vadalabene . .

. 8' SENATOR VADALABENE : .

9 '- Yes, we've just come into agreement on 735. I'd like to bring it

l0. back to the order on 2nd for the purpose of an amendment. '

1l- PnzszosuT:

l2. on House bills 3rd readinq Sendtor Vadalabene seeks leave to brins

l3. the bill back to the order of 2nd reading. rs there leave? Leave is '

'14 . ranted . M endnent No. 2 r Senator Vadalabene .

l5. SENATOR VADALABZXE: ,

k6. yes. Amendment No. 2 is a hundred percent Federally funded amend-

17. mentz and I wouîd ask for its adoption.l8. PRESIDEUT:

19. senator vadalabene moves the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House

20. izl 7as Azz zn navor wiaz say Aye. opposed Nay. The Ayes have it.B .

' 2l' i dopted. Any further amendments? 3rd reading.Amendment xo. 2 s a

' 22. senator Harber Hall. .

23. SENATOR HALL: '

24 '* On House bills 3rd readingr Mr. Prqsident, House Bill 1453 that with

25' leave of t14e nouse.- leave of the Body, I'd like to have returned to

26. the order of 2nd for purpose of an amendment.

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. 29. the order of 2nd readi/g. senator Harber Hall.

.y , ,0 . SENATOR HM L :

3).. This amendment excludes counties over five hundred thousand from

32. the provisions of appoinkment of trustees to fire protection districts.

:. ' 33k I move adoption of the amendment.

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' Seéator Harber Hall moves the.adoption 6f Amgndment No. 1 to.House

3* Bill 1453. All in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. The amendment

j '. * ls adopted. Any further anendments? 3rd reading. House Bill 735,

5 ' .* Senator Vadalabene. ,

6. sEcasThnv: '

7. 'House Bill 735.



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. l2. SENATOR VADALABENE: '

13. Yes, what the Secretary said. It's the ordinary ccntinqent expenses

14. of the Illinois Veterans Commission on House Bill 735 as amended, and

l5. I would appreciate a favorable vote.

16 . pRsszozu'.r : ,. .'l7 ' h tion is shall House Bill 735 pass. Those in favor vote* T e ques

18. Ayè. opposed Nay. The voting is 6pèn. Have é@l vôted Cwho wish? Take' l9. the record.

on this question the Ayes are' 54, the Nays are none, with

29. none voting Present. House Bill 73B having received a constitutional

21. majority is de'clared passed. Welve been through the order of House22 ills on 2nd reading. We will now qo through the order of House bills'

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23. on 2nd reading: calling the appropriations bflls. Hogse Bï11 284,

24. senator Joyce. senator Joyce, you moved. that already, didn't you,

25. House Bill 2842 Pine. Houie Bill 738, Senator Vadalabene. Read the

26. bill.

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28. House Bill 738.

19'. (secretary reads title of bill)

30 3rd reading of the bill. The Committee'on Appropriations offers one' 3) amendlnenk . '

32. PRESIDENT: . ' . . .'

33k Senator Vadalabene. . ' . '. '

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II '1. SENATOR VADALABENE:

2 '. Yes, I move for the adoption of this amendment.

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4. Any discussion? Senator Vadalabene loves' the adoption of Amendment

5 . No. l to llouse Bill 738 . A1l in f avor will 'say Aye . Qpposed Nay. The

6. M endment No . is adopted. Any f urther amendments? 3bd readinj. Forwhat purpose does Sepator Philip arisi ?

8. SENATOR PHILIP:

Yeah. IId like to apologize. I have an amendment for 738. r'd

l0. like to ask the sponsor if he'd bring it back from 3rd when the amend- ...

ment is ready.

12. PRESIDENT:

13.. Senator Vadalabene. He says he will. House Bill 743, Senakor

l4. Vadalabenè. Read the bill.

l5. SECRETARY:

ï6. House Bill 743.

l7. (secretary reads title of bill)

18 2nd reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations offers one

l9. amendment.

20. PRESIDENT:

21. senator Vadalabene.

22. SENATOR VADALABENE:

I move for the adoption of the committee amendment.

24. PRESIDENT:

Any discussion? Those in favor of the adoption of the amendment

26. will vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The amendment is adopted. Any further

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.z7...z.amendments? 3rd.readingk . Hous.e 'B111,942, Senator Buzbee'.j %.

2 8 . SECRTLJARY :

29 . House Bill 942 .

30. (Searetary reads title of bill)

31. 2nd reading of the bill. The Committee on Apprcpriations offers three

agw.amendments.

33k PRESIDENT:!

34. Senator Buzbee.

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SENATOR'BUZBEE: '

2. 'Mr President, I move'adoptiop of Amendtent ko. 1.

3. PRESIDENT:

4. Any discussion? 'senutor Buzbee moves the adoption of Amendment No.

5. l ,to House Bill 942. A11 in favor will vote Aye...say Aye. Opposed

6. Nay. Amendment No. l is adopted. Amendnent No. 2, Senator Buzbee.

7. SENATOR BUZBEE:

8. I move the adoption of Amendment Nè. 2.

9. PRESIDENT:

l0. Any discussion? senator Buzbee moves the adoption of Amendment No.

ll. 2 to House Bill 942. A1l in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amend-

12. ment No. 2 is adopted. Amendment No. 3, Senator Buzbee.

13. SENATOR BUZBEE:

14. I move adoption of Amendment No. 3.

l5. PRESIDENT:

î6. Any discussion? Senator Buzbee moves the adoption of Amendment No.

'17. '2...3 to House Bil1 942. A11 in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.

l8. Auendment No. 3 is adopted. Any further amendments? 3rd reading.

l9. House Bill 1079, Senator Palmer. Senator'palmer, 1079. Read...

20. SECRETARY:

21. Housea.oHöuse Bill 1079.


23. 2nd reading of the bill. The Commitkee on Appropriations offers three

24. amendments.

2b. PRESIDENT:

senator Palmer, I can't get your hand signals.

- 2 7 ! . SEPAT. O.R PALMQR ! . , . . . ., . . . .: -z; . . ... , : , . .28. Will you ùold that? Wefre waiting fèr an amendment please.

29. PRESIDENT: '

3c. senator Howard Mohr. well, move it'and then we can bring it back.

31. SENATOR PALMER:

32. Chair move' it forward. Thank you.# .

33; PRESIDENT:

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. :' * .'2. ' y :or yalmer.'' amendments. Fine. Amendment No. 1, ena

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. 4. 'Move the adoption of Amendment Np.

5. 'PRESIDENT:

6. Any discussion? senator Hynes.

7* SENATOR HYNES:

B. This amendment simply removes the weasel clause regardïnq Federal

9. funds.

10. PRESIDENT:

ll. senator Palmer moves the adoption of Amendment No. l to House

l2. sill 1079. A11 in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amendmenk No.

l3. l is adopted. Amendment No. 2, senator Palmerv '

14. SEXATOR PALMER:

15 i : amendment' No . 2.. Move khe adopt on o

:6 . passzoExr.r :'17. senator Paléer moves the adoption of Amandment No. 2. Senator

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l9. saxaToR Hyxss:

20. This removes the new General Revenue funded position. Two

21. hundred and thirteen thousand dollar reduction.

22. sasszosxz:

23 '' Any further discussion? Sonator Palmer moves the adoption of

24. Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 1079. A1l in favor will say Aye.

2S. opposed Nay . The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Amend-

26. men: No. 3r Senator Palmer.

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28. ' could I have a conference on this, Mr. Chairman, on Amendment

29. No. 37

3O. PRSSIDENT:

33.. senator Hynes.

32. SENATOR HYNES:

33k This amendment femoves a qrant of three hundred thousand dollabs

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3. ' .would remove the appropriation. And I move its adoption.

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5- Any dlscussion? senator Hynes moves the adoptlon of Amendment

6. xo. 3 to House Bill 1079. All in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.

3- 2he Ayes have it. Amendment uo. 3 is adopted. Any further amend-

g '' menks? 3rd read'ing. House Di1l 1089, Senator Dougherty.

9. sscasTaRv:

10- House Bill 1089.

ll. (secretary reads title of bill)

12. 2nd reading ôf the bill. The committee on Appropriations offers

l3. three amendments.

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l5. senator Douqherty méves the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to

l6. House Bill 1089. Any discussion? All in favor of the adoption of'

l7 ' i do ted.. the amendment say Aye. opposed Nay. Amendment Np. 1 s a p

18. Amendment xo. 2, senator Douqherty. senator Dougherty moves the

l9. adoptlon of. Amendment No. 2. Senator Bruce.

20. SEXATOR BRUcs:

2l. yes, some of my Unlted Auto Workers Locals were down here this

22. xorning talkins about Amendments Nos. 2 and 3 of this bill. I'dy'

23. like ko have some expldnation as it relates to cutting the safety

24. program in the Department of Local Goyernment Aftairs. I Wonder

2b. if I eould get senator Dougherty or someone from the Appropriations

26. committee since those UAW Locals are near and dear to me.

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28. /.. Senator Dougherty or Senator Hynes, on a queskion of Amendmenk29- xo. 2 to House Bill :089.

3û. SENATOR HYNES:

31. Amendments 2 and 3 remove new employees, also, remove the

32. Community Services Divisipn of the Department. There is some dis-

33; cussioh about the cut and those discusstons are going io continue

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' 1* ' but ik was our intention'to move the bill to 3rd yeading for thez . ' .' possibility there might fe some podif ication prf or to it-s passage

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?* What. . .what fs a function of the Communïty Services Brameh?

g '( - That'a what they're worried about, and how much was the cut?

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lQ. senator uynes. .

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. . . I believe the entire..ethe entire division, I believer three

l3. hundred some thousand dollars, and the function of that division '

l4. is to act as a liaison with local qovernments and municipalities,

15. ln particular, and to provlde advice and counsel to them ln terms

16. of nunicpal problems. It was our intention to remove that. division.

.17. ' There is some discussion going on now with respect to that pgrtion

18. of the amendment. we would not have called the bill today at all

l9. excepk that it's qetting late in the sesiion and we want to put the

20. dmenk on and it will be brought back if no agreement is reachedamen

2l. for an effott to add the money if that's desired by anyone.

22. PRESIDENT: . '

23. senato'r Hynes moves :he adopkion oe Amendment No. 2 to House

21. Bill 1089. All in favor will say Ayet Opposed Nay. The Ayes have

25. it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Amendment No. 3 same posture.

26. senator Hynes moves the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Any discussion?

27 A1l in favor wlll sjy Ay.. Opposed Nqy.. ARendment No. 3 is adopted.. .- o > . . e ' . . . * '

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28. Any furthmr amendments? 3rd reading. . House Bill 1172, Senator

29. Netsch. Read the bill.

30. . SECRETARY: '

' 31. Bouse B111 1172. ' '

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' J. Amendment No. 1. Is there leave 'ko move the.p.ohz it's on

4. 2nd. Amendment No. 1, Senator Netschw '.I .! 5 ssxxvoR uaTscu: .

6. Amenènent No. 1 deletes the so-called ''Weàsel Clause''. I move7. its adoption.

9. PRESIDENT:

9. Senator Netsch moves :he adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. *

lQ. to House Bill 1172. A11 in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amend-

ll. ment No. 1 is adopted. Amendment No. 2, Senator Netsch.

12. SENATOR NETSCH:

13. Amendment No. 2 deletes...cut three hundred ninety-three thousand

14. dollars from the operating expenses of EPA. This combined with the

l5. cut made in khe House mgkes a total of approximately :ix percent in' . .

16 the opera'ting budget of khis agency. 1 move its adoptionk

17 PRESIDENT: '

l8. Any disaussion? Senator ketsch moves the adoption of Amendment

19 No 2'to Houie Bill 1172. A11 in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.20. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Amendment No. 3, by

2l. senator Neksch.

22. SENATOR NETSCH:

. 23. Amendment No. 3 really corrècts and clarifies linguage used in. i

2(. part of Ehe appropriation of the bond fund. I move its adoption.

2L. PRESIDENT:

26. Any diseussion? Senator Netsch moves the adoption of Amendment

,. i; .' .. .2.7'.'. '-. No.. 3. -'to. Hguse Bill ..11.72 . . . All. in f avor. will say Aye . . Opposed Nay. . .. ' .

28. Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Any furthqr amendments?

Pour,zoffered by àenator Shapiro. . .30.3) PRESIDENT: '

4 32. . senator Shapiro is re*pgnizbd for Amendment No. 4.

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Ai. President and Ladies and Genéleren of the Senaté.. Amendmentg .' No . 4 will remove khe remaining new positipns z only , that were-' ko f '>'

3. be funded out of èeneral revenue funds to Ehe amount of nïnety-sïx .

4 . thousand four hundred dollars . This is positions out of Air Pollution

5. control , Water Pollution Control and Land Polluticn Control , and I

6 . would urge adoption of the amendment .

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8' An# discussion? Senltor Hynes .9 . SENATOR HYNES :

10 . Mr President , I would oppose the amendment . We . . .in amendment

ll. No. 2 reduced subskantially the appropriation for this agency and I

l2. do not think that a further reduction is justifiable, and I would

l3* ask that al1 members on this sider ak least: oppose the amendment.

.14. PRESIDENT:

l5. senator Shapiro.

k6. SENATOR SHAPIRO:

'17. I want tö clcse by sayinq, Mr. President and members of the

l8. oenate, that these are strictly new positions and with the Governor's

l9. auskerity programrl think this is the first place we should look Eo

20. cut as well as the six perceqt. When you conslder thak fn this

21. particular appropriation there's only an increase of forty-three

22. thousand dollars in Federal fupds, think itfs justifled to take' l

23. the new pcsition out and reduce general revenue funds. After al1 that's

24. local state lncome Tax money and I would urge th6 members of this

25. Senate to apprcve the adoption of this amendmcnt.

26. PRESIDENT:

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29. Just briefly to support what Senator Hynes said. Almosk al1 of' . '

30. the pew posikions had been 'removed. There is a kotal six percent

zt. cut on tbis budget. It seems to me that when all of that is added

a2. to the'enormous cuts that were made in the requested budset last

33; year that that is enough. It is not that large of an appropriation.

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5. i t of senator Shapirols ideaMr. . President and Members, n suppor . #

6 .' I talked yesterday to some people who are involved in a department

1 * of State Government . And who are concetned about additional expense

: . ,' that some of these departments that is unwarranked z and to use a

9. phrase thak was used by them in conversation with me, they said if

à0. we could get rid of al1 the hotdogs that the Governor has on the pay-

ll. roll in these Marious deparfments we could cDt each one by a sub-

12. . stantial sum. Maybe we ought to start' looking at khe hotdùgs.

l3. PRBSIDENT: .

14. senator Shapiro has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Those

l5. in favor will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open.

l6. Have a11 voted who wish? Take the recotd. On thfs question the Ayes

.17. . are 25, the Nays are 28. Amendment No. 4 fails. Any further amend-

t8. ments? 3rd reading. House Bill 1274, Senator Demuzio. For what

. l9. purpose does senator Hynes arise? '

20. SENATOR HYNES:

21. could we pass that for just a moment and come back to it, please?

22. PRESIDENT: '

23. ' He indlcatea affirmatively. House Bill 1426, Senators Knuppel - '

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z9. SENATOR KNUPPEL:

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' 31. I'm going to advance it to 3rd and it is just goinq to lay there. . . . . .

32. unless we can get yomething worked out. Buty I kill advance it to

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7- axendments.

. PRESIDENT:

9. senator Knuppel.

l0. SENATOR xNuPpEL:

11 z move the anendments.

l2. pREsIoENT:

l3. senator Knuppel moves the adoption of Amendment No. 1. All in

14. favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amendment No. l is adopted. Amend-

l5. ment No. 2, senator Knuppel. Eenator Knuppel moves the adoption of

l6. Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 1426. All in favor will say Aye. Opposed

l7. Nay. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Amendment No. 3, Senator Knuppel.

lg. Senator Knuppel moves the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to House Bill.

' x19 1426 . A1l in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amendment No'. 3

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' 20. is adopeed. Amendment so. 4, senator Knuppel. Senator Knuppel moves

2l. the adoption of Amendment No. 4 to House Bill 1426. A1l in favor will

22. say Aye. opposed Nay. Amendment No.'4 is adopked. Any further

23. amendments? 3rd reading. House' Bill 1977, Senator Demuzio. Read

24. the bill. .

25. SECRETARY:

. 26. House 3i1l 1977.

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. 28. 2nd reading of the bill. The Commiktçe on Appropriations offers

29. three amendments. J .

' 30 . PRESIDEN'.r: '

. 31. Senator Demuzio, Amendment No. 1. .

L 32. . SENATOR DEXUZIO: ' ' ' .

' 33; - 1111 yield to Senator Hynes on Amendment No. 1. I Want to Tgble...

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..2* . Senator Hyfes is rpcoqnized bn'Amendpent No. l to House Bill. @ . '

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,' SENATOR HYNES: . . . . . 'Removes the weasel clause and I would move its adoption.5

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6. . .

Senator Hynes moves the adopkion of Amendment No. l io House '7. . . .

Bill 1977. All in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amendment No.8.

l is adopted. Amendment No. 2, Senator Demuzio. '9.

â0 SVKAPCR DEMUZIO: '

I want to Table Amendment No. 2 and there is on the Secretary'sll.

. Desk Amendment No. 4 in its place and 'it is simply a technical amend-l2. .

ment. I've talked with the Republican Staff. Inadvertently a linel3.

kas left off of Amendment No. 2. It does not substantially changel4.

any appropriations. I move to Table Amendment No. 2.l5. .

PRESIDENT: 'k6.

. Senatcr Demuzic mc*Jec ta Tablc Jomandmant 1:0. 2 ta Ilouse Bill 1977.17.

Al1 in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. Amendment No. 2 is Tabled.l8.Amendment No. 3, Senator Demuzio. .19

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SENATOR DEMUZIO: '20.

1'11 yi#ld to Senator Hynes.2l.

PRESIDENT: ' .22. .

Senator Hynes is recognized on Amendment No. 3 yo House Bill 19'77.23. .

SENATOR HYNES: '24.

This...this is a reduction in the operational appropriation of25. '

a hundred ninety-nine thousand dollars, and I would move its adopiion.26.

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Senator Hynes moves *he adoption of Amendment No. 3 to House Bill28. '

1977. Any discussion? Those in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.29.

AmendmenE No. 3 is adopted. Amendment. No. 4, Senator Demuzio.30.

SENATOR DEMUZIO:3 ) . '

Amendment' No. i on khe secretary's Desk simply correcfs the32. ' . .

. language that was inadvertently left out of Amendment No. 2, Which' 33; .

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l * . .' we have just Tabled. I moke for ther'adopt.iùn'of Amendment No. 4.PRESIDENT:

Any discussion? Senator Demuzio.moves the adoption of Amend-4 . '' *

ment No. 4 to House Bill 1977. Those in favor will say Aye. Opposed5. N

ay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 4 is adopted. Any further6. .amendments? Amendment No. 5, senator Demuzio.?' àENATOR DEMUZIO:8' Thank you very much: Mr. President. 'Amendmeht No. 5 restores9. h aitor-'s position. The necessary'retirement social securityt e au

l0* ition reinstates a portion of the reductioncosts to cover that posl1' for cost of living increases, which was inadvertently overestimated12. in the initial amendment. It further restores al1 of the legal feesy3. .for default loan collections for out-of-state and fifteen thousandl4. dollars for in- state loan collections. These are b0th contractuall5. 'Services. Lastly, it restores two thousand .dollars for commodities.16 . The totaq

. adcls.tï.on for operations is eichty-seven thousand, f ivel7- hundred and fifty- five dollars. I move for the adoption of the Amend-l8- t uo

. s to House Bil1 1977.men19. paaszssxv:

20. xny discussion? senator Demuzio moves the adoption of-- senator2l. weaver

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22- sExaroR wEAvEa:

23. well, Mr. president...

24. ssnszssxv:

25. aust a minute, just a minute. Let's have some order, now.

26. senator Weaver on Amendment No.

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28. Mr President, I had two .amendmënis, .but inasmuch as we have

:9 '* adopted two Floor Amendments, these a<e technically incorrectzso if

30. senator Demuzio will bring it back why wedll move it on to 3rd.

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32, s'enator Dçmuzio. .

33; SENATOR DEMUZIO:

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PRESIDENT:3.

He indicates he will. Senator Demuzio has moved the adoption1 ' ' ' '*

of Amendment No. 5. Any discussion? All in favor will say Aye.5. .

Opposed Nay. Amendment No. 5 to House Bill 1977 is adopted. Any6. .further amendments? 3rd reading. House Bill 1979, Senator Hickey.p .* ltead the bill .8. SECRETA

RY:9. House Bill 1979.

l0. (Secretary reads title of bill)Zi' i f the bill

. The.committee on Appropriations offers one2nd read ng o

l2. amendment.

l3. PRESIDENT:

l4. senator Hynes.

15. oR HvuEs:SENATl6. 'I move the adoption of khe commfttee...move the adoption of

17*. Aïéndment No. 1, and I would also say that there may be a possible other

18' dment. Senator Hickey has indicated she will bring the bill back .'aman

l9. from 3rd reading.

20. PRESIDENT:

2 Z ' An f urther discussion? '.senator Hynes moves the adoption ofY

2 2 . M endment No . 1 to House Bill 1979 . Those in f avor will say Aye . '

23' o osed Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. l is adopted. AnyPP

24 .' further amendments at this time? 3rd reading. House Bill 2972,

25. senator Buzbee. Read the bill.

SECRETARy:

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29. 2nd reading of the kill. No committeè amendments.

30. pRss'zDEyT:

31. Any amendments from the Eloor? 3rd reading. House Bill 3005,

32. senator carroll.

33; SECRETARY:

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1. .House Bill 3005. . . .

2. (Secretary reads title of bill) . .' '3 2nd reading of the bill. No committee amendmen'ts.

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4. PRESIDENT: ' '

r' 5. Any amendments from the Floor? Senator Carroll.j , '

6. SENATOR CARROLL: '

7. There's an amendment on the Secretary's Desk. It is an amendment

8. to add khe most recent awards by the Court of Claims in with

9. our usual procedure: and I move the adoption.

lQ. PRESIDENT:

ll. Any discussion? Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Amendment

' 12. ' No. 1 ko House Bill 3005. A1l in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nayo'

l3. Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Any further amendments? 3rd reading.

14. Senator Demuzior for what purpose do you arise?

l5. SENATOR DEMUZIO: ' .

Could we go back and Pick up 1274, now. uinu wefre ready kol6. ' . Z t

l7. roll.

18 PRESIDENT:

l9. Is that on 2nd reading? What order of business is that? Yes.

20. House Bills on 2nd reading. House Bill 1274, Senator Demuzio. Read

2l. the'bill. '

22. SECRETARY: '

23 House Bill 1274. ' '


2s. 2nd readins of the bilz. The committee on Appropriations offers one

26 amendment.

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Senator Demuzio. Senator Hynes.28.

pq SENATOR HYNES:

This amendment reduces the General Revenue Appropriation for3G.

' operations by two hgndred seventy-seven thousand', eisht hundred dollars3 1 . . ' .

2 and eliminates the new positions EhaE were sought 'by the department .3 .

It, also, reduces the Statistical Services revolving fund by one33; ,

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3* t offergd: which will'restorè one hundred sixteen thousand o! that. men

* amount, which'in our re-evaluation we dptermined was incbrrect. So,..5 '* I would move the adoption of Amendment No. 1. '

6- pnsszosuT: .

7 ' ''* Senator Hynes moves the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House

: g .* Bill 1274 . Any discussion? All in f avor will say Aye . Opposed Nay.

9- Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Any further amendments at this time.

Z0- SECRETARY:

ll- Asendment No. 2 offered by senator Demuzio.

l 2 - - - ' ' . . '' PRESIDENTt .

lg* Senator Demuzio. .

lé ' .A=* SENATOR DEMUZIO:

ls .' Thank you, Mr. Presidept. As indicated by Senator Hynes, this

16 '* restores a hundred and sixteen thousand, nine hundred dollars to the

117 - skat.isuical servlues revolvi,l: funu. I koow of Jïo opposiuioi-, to this :

l8. dment. z'd move for its adoption.amen

l 9 . =PRESIDENT :

20. senator Demuzio moves the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House

21' Bill 1274. Any discussion? All in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay.

2z ' '- Amendment No. 2 is adopted. An# further amendments? 3rd reading.23* For what purpose does Senator Egan arise? S

24. ssxaTon EcAN:

25' I thought you had a break there for a minute, Mr. President. I

26. would like to take a bill off the Consent Calendar to anend iL.

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30. Mr. president, we are dealing with. what is the most important

3l. function of this General Assembly this yearz and we just cannot hear32. the discussion

. And I know it's all around me too, and I wish that

33 '. We would cooperate. . ' . .

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2. senatorn .senator Mçrritt and Mccarthy and the Gentleman? wouldI .

3* you take your conference off the Floor. Take your conference off soj ' .' 4. that Senator Grahay can hear. And what you say, Senator, is very

5 - ' '. * correct. Let's have some order. On the...is there leave to go to

6. the order of. . Consideration Postponed for picking up a Senate bill?

p' An apprppriation bill there . Leave is granted . Senate Bill 629 ,

8. senator aruce. .

9. SENATOR BRUCE: .

1Q. It is an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses

ll. of the Illinois Law Enforcement Commi4sion. I would ask for a favor-

l2. able roll call. I think there has been an understanding struck.

l3. PRESIDENT: '

l4. Any further discussion? The quesEïon is shall Senate Bill 629

l5. pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The voting is

l6. open. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Oh this question the

l7. Ayes are 50, the Nays are 1. With none Voting Present. Senate 3ill

l8. 629 having received a constitutional majority is declared passed.

l9. In connection with the use of the wofd struck are we now ready'co

20 to Senate bills on 3:d reading? Is there leave? Leave is granted.. îO

21. Senate Bill 683, Senator Egan. .

22. SECRETARY: ' .. . è

23. Senate Bill 683. .



26. PRESIDENT:. . . ; '. . : . . j ... ' ' u ' ' . jjj 'tjjj.s (jnép 'Read the bill . '' ' ''' : '. '.. 27 . .

. ' ' . àèfaafc;f- Hyzièg, . are k,e ireaiy wi , ,

28. Senator Egan. . .

29. SENATOR EGAN: . '

3o. Mr. President, I'd like leave to bring this bill back to the

31. order of 2hd reading for the purpose of an amehdment. .

32 PRESIDENT: ' '@ . . .

Is there leave? Leave is granted. Yenate Bill 683 is now on. 33;

34. the order of 2nd reading. Senator Egan is recognized. .

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.. 2 . Thank you, kr. President. z beîieventhebe was a--there was a. ;

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.'A desire Eo Table an amendment that was mut bn. the bill.

PRESIDENT : .,4. . .

Senator Wooten.5.

SENATOR WOOTEN: '6.

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Could we find out whàt that amendment is before we take pre-7. .

a cipitant action? -

PRESIDENT:9. . .

Senator Egan may explain the amendment.10.

SENATOR EGAN:ll. .

It is not my motion. 1...1 would accede to it, but it's not12.

my motion. '13. . '

PRESIDENT:. l1.

Does Senator Weaver or Senator Harris care Eo explain the amend-l.5 . . .

ment? senator Harris. ' ,.l6. .

SENATOR HARRIS: '. l7.

Well, I did not vote on the prevailing side of the motion thatl8.

adopted this amendment. It would...the motion would have tc be putl9.

by someone who voted on the prevailing side to move ko reconsider.20.

PRESIDENT: .21.

Yes, Senator Bruce. '22.

SENATOR BRUCE: . -23. .

well havinq voted on the prevailing side I would now move to24. 'reconsider the vote by which the amendment was Tabled. I believe

25.that was the motion.

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Xou've heard the motion. A11 in favor will say Aye. Opposed28. .'

Nay. Them..wait a minute. What was the number of the amendment? Let's'

. . get this straight. Amendment No. l has now been reconsidered, the30. . ' ' 1

b hich it failed has now been reconsidered. The vote by which 'vote y *3 ). . . . ,

' the motion was adopted has'now been reconsidered. The Chair would f32. '

. . now entertain a motion by 'Genator Egan to Table the amendment. Senator. 133; . .

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2 . .. . Opposed Nay. The amendment is Tabled. For what purpose does Senator

. . 1 . . . .:' .. -*. Wooten arlse? Did you seek recognitipn, senator?j ' ' .SENATOR WOOTEN:5. ' .N@y Iqxvapparently this has been agreed to. l thought this wa& i

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. ;, a subjeck in which we might get into some division herez. but apparently j

7. éhere has been some kind of agreement. So, let it go. I

a- PRESIDENT : ' l. ;

9* ' ition, senatorp to ask for a discussion 1It is the Chair s pos' jl0

. on all of these amendments so that the membership will be apprised 1ZZ - i j

.s and whether there has been anyof what the order of the bus ness ,

12 ' h member has the right to ask for. . .agreement or not, eac

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Il5. ' . . !PRESIDENT: '

' , :k6. '.. a .discpssion and the Chair never'forecloses that right. And

' ZR* I Want that clearly understood.

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l9. ' 'That amendment was a fairly controversial one, I thought. 1

20* v ' iAnd I was a little amazed that we re so quickly moving to Table it.

!21. pszszosxv: '

22. ' Wellz Senator, perhaps we went into this quite in depth the :' . . .

23. zast day that we were here and there was a snafu, which you perhaps '

24. justremember. I assumed that everybody remembered what went on

'2b. two days ago. Any further amendments?

26. SECRETARY: :

' .. . , .. .. . . .. .hmendment uo. ..c offered sy senatsr ,liarrss.. . . . . . . . . . ..'

28' PRESIDENT: . . . '

'' I29. senator Harris may explain the aéendment.

3D. SENATOR HARRIS: . ' 'L

31. ' This amendment provides for two hundred thousand dollars appro-

32. prfated ouk of bond funds for a project on the Vermillion River hirçd E. 33J by khe city of Streator, which that community is extremely anxious

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2 - . ' .' ne indicates that while the total proa'ect/ and he originally gujkesteds'

3. . ' , .a si.x hundred thousand dollar appropriation, we ve evaluated those .1 . '. '-fi

gures over the week-end and states that the project in its entirety5. is probably in the neighborhood of a five hundred thousand dollar6. , .

project. Two hundred thousand of which could be obligated and actually?* Pi cal '76

. I would' reassure the membership that thisutilized during g

8. . .is out of bond money, not out of General Revenuez.and would move to9. adopt Amendment No. l0.l0. PRESIDENT

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ll. Any discussion? Senator Egan.

l2. SENATOR Ec>N:la ''

. yes, there is no disagreement on the amendment, Mr. President

l4' d members of the senpte. lt lfas originally a six hundred thou-an

l5. sand dollar request which was set too high. This is tokally acceptable.kc '' PRESIDENT:

'7% i ssion? senator Harris moves the adoption ofAny further d scu18. ilz 683

. Those in favor will vote Aye.Amendment No. lo to senate Bl9- d xay. The amendment is adopted. Any'further amendments? 3rdoppose20. izl z498

, senator uynes. Read the bill.reading. senate B21. sEcRsTARv:

22. senate Bïll l49a. .23. secretary reads title of bill)(21' 3rd reading of the bill!

2b. pussznsxv:

26. senator Hynes.

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28 i'11 which includes the appro-' This is the Omnibus Commission b ,

29 ' i d z would ask for a. priation for resular legislative commiss ons, an$ - . . '

30. favorable roll call.

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32. Any discussion? Senatoy Regner.

33; SENATOR REGNER:

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1. ' . . .. A question of the spon'sor., 2 u .. PRESIDENT:

'' He indicakes hebll yield.4 '* SE

NATOR REGNER:5. ,Senator Hynes, we re still working on the overall amendment for

.6. the Omnibus Commission Bill and the House Bill. And you.just want

7. to get this one over to the House for their work?8. PRESIDENT

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9 . Senator Hynes .

10 . SENATOR HYNES :

l l . Yes , and Representative Lechowicz is going to pick it 'up in khe12 * i1l be made t.o conform uith the amendment tha: we putHouse and it w13 . on the House bill , which is here . And, actually, the House bill which14 . is still in the senate will be the

.ultimate vehicle. This is simply

15 ' in to rest over theré.

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17 ' he question is shall House Bill 1498 pass . Those in f avor willT

l 8 .. vote Aye . Opposed. . asenate Bill 1498 . The queskion is shall Senate

19. 'Bill 1498 pass. Thoye in favor will vote Aye. Opposed Nay. The

20* i is open. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On thisvot ng21' i n the Ayes are 55, the Nays are none , with none Voting Present.quest o

22. Senate Bill 1498 havin: received a constituvxonal majority is declared23. u senate Bill 683.PaSSe .

24. sscasvauv:

25. senate Bill 683.

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29. i is shall senate Bilf 683 pass. Those in favorThe quest on30 . il1 vote Aye

. opposed Nayk The votfng is open . Have al1 votedw31.- who wish? 'rake the record. on that question the Ayes are 49 , the

32. Nays are none with 8 voting Presént. senate Bill 683 having re-# .

:. 33: ceived a constitutional majority is declared passed. The Chair would

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w .2. ' 1with reference to the nisht schedule. We had said thàt we woùld

. 3. ywork until 4:00 o cloek and that we would return at seVen and that4. ' .i

n the intervening period commencing at four the Appropriations I5. ,

.Committee would work. It s ve<y obvious to the Chair, noW, after I6. tanother assessment that the Appropriations Committee needs more then7 j* ihree hours in whiêh to prepare khenselves f or tomorrow . On that '8. . .basis there will be no Floor meeting or no Senate Session tonight.9. But, the Appropriations Committee will bë at four, and hopefully will

1l0. work until they can...well, they will just work from four forward. i

l1. -No Floor Session tonight. Sehator Hynés. Il2- SEXATOR Hyxss

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Mr. President, there are also some appropriations bills on the

14. secretary's Desk and sbmq of those may result in conference committees,l5. if wc could go to that order.

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17 $* If the Chair could have the attention of the membership , it will16. cfacilitate the handling of these bills if you are ready when theyZ9* lled

. There are several bills on the Secretary's Desk whichare ca20 '* need to come back for amendments. I'm qoing to read the list so .

' y (2l. '.that you can prepare yourself so that When we get to you, you 11 know

22' itls going ko be called. The list I'm giving you, now, though...the '23' list I shall give you now, or.e.oh, you mean the ones on the...senator '

24 f '' Hynes. You allude to those on the Secretary s Desk that are appro-

25 . riation bills, is that correct? Let ' s take those first. Ts Eherep

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28. Leave is granted. Sepate Bill 284, Senator Soper. Senator Hynes,

29. would you like to mak' e the.motipn? . ''

j30. sEuhTon Hvuss: . ,

33. Well Mr. President, this bill was approved by the House. Per-' # j

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32.' haps s'çnator Weaver might waht to ccmment on iE, also... . .i2 .

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rj '* Approved by the House in' the f orm it lef t the Senate with one

4 ' .* exception. The amqndment which we debated the' other day regarding5. . .the FEPC was added to this bill as it was to all the other bills that6. y . :are on the Secretary s Desk and it is being added to every appropr ar7. iions bi

. 11 in the House. We passed the two bills the other day with8. the amendment on simply to move them off the Calendar. But, it seems9. .to me at this point we are facing the question agéin and we might10* as well make the decision. This is substantive language with appro-

11. in zn addition i:priation bill and it should not be coptained there . .' seems to me it creates further potentiaz probuems if the bilzs so to

13' i k that we ought tô resolve thisEhe Governor in this form, and I th n

l4' i once and for al1 and nonconcur on these amendments.ssue

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.l6 %Senator Harris. ' '

l7. ssxAToR HARRIS:

1B- in his sugqestion that we move toWell, I join senator Hynes

Z9- 1 dètermined in Kirk versus Lindburg.nonconcur. This issue was clear y20. , : uouse, and IIt s just an exercise in futility on the part of t e21. 1nk the best way for us to communicate it is to put all these billsth

22. .into a copference committee and just get it resolved. I Would support .23. f mosion to nonconcur

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25' on the order of bills on the- - senator Weaver.

26. SESATOR wEAvER:

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' 29 . ut it on the senate bills, why not the House appropriations bills.p

30* PRESIDENT:

31. senator Hynes has moved on senate Bill 284 that the Senate non- ,

32. concur in flouse Amehdment No. 1. A11 in' favor wiil say Aye. Opposed

33k Nay. The motion carries. Senate Bill 428. Is that the same motion,j ' ..$ . .

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y Senator? 55 that the same motion 0n .488?' Senator Knuppel, do you. :

F t BillS488? sYnator Hynes.desire to make the same motion on Se a e ,

SENATOR HYNES: '

4 I believe there are two amendmenté on Gqnate Bill 488 t one of

s . which...alright, move to noneoncur on b0th apendments.

PRESIDENT t6.

7 Senator Hynes moves to nonconcur on Amendments No. l and 2 to

g Senate Bill 488. All in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The motions

carry. Senakor Donnewald.o.senator Dougherty.; 9.

SENATOR DOUGHERTY:l0.

The same motion on 512, Mr. President.ll.

PRESIDENT:l2.

Senator Donnewald moves to nonconcur with the House amendments .13.

on Senate Bill 512. A1l in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Senate14.

DOZCOZCUrS. Senake Ziil 608 the Sime motion. 1 and 2. All in favorI5*

Wili Say' Aye. Senator Hynesak6*

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No, move to concur in Amendment No. 1, Mr. Presidenk, and non-l8.

concur in No. 2.l9. .

PRESIDENT:20.

On Senate Bill 608 Senator Hynes moves to concur in Amendment No.21.

1. Al1 in favor say Aye. Wait a minute. Yes, moves to concur in22.

. )Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 6.08. A11 in favor will vote Aye and23.

Opposad will vote Nay. The voting is open. Hav: a11 voted who wish?24.

Take the record. The question is shall the Senate concur in Amendment25.

No...on this question the Ayes are 55, thd Nays are none, with one26.

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608. Amendment No. 2. denator Hynes moves to nonconcur in AmendMent28.

No. 2. All in favor will say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Senate nonconcurs29. .

in Amendment No. 2.30.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)3 ). .

May 1 have the aktention of. the Body. There are several bills32.

that the members reau'ested be returned to the order of 2nd reading33; -

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2 ' '*'' . members would be prepared when they are called for that..gthenamend-

z* ment stage . ' A11 of the amendments . . .all of the bills that I 'm going4 . ' ;to kead are referred to the amendments are on the'secretary s Desk.s '* These are a1l House bills . House Bill 12l , 2l0 , 278 : 345 , 6l2 , 665,6. 809

, 826, 990, 1103, 1287, 1443, 1691, 1914, 2215, 2538, 2592, 2617,7. 2627

, 2692 and 2801. We will begin...Do we have leave to return to8. . .kh

e order of 2nd reading on the bills mentioned? Alright. The bills9. just read are now on 2nd reading

. House Bill 121. House Bill 210.10. House Bill 278, senator carrollull' sExAToR

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12' Thank you, Mr. President. There is an amendment on the Secretary's

13.* k I do believe it is Amendment No. l to House Bill 278. Thisoes .14' the discussion I h'ad with Minority Leader Harris earlier to ex-vas

l5. 'plain that in the rape tredtments and the requirement of the insurancek6. tc pay far vy

-g cccts that i: t:e insuranaa pazlay :aa a ctaudard 'l 7 ' '- reduction for any type of treatment it would, of course, also, applyl8. to a rape victim

. I vould move the adoption of the amendment. 'l9. pRsszozxc oegzcEa

: (ssNAToR DouuEwALD)go '* Is there further discussion? The question is shall Amendment '21 ' '. No

. l to House Bill 278 be ado'pted. Those in favor indicate by saying22 .' Aye. Thcse opposed No. The Ayes have it. The amendment is adopted. .23. Are there further amendments? 3rd reading. Do we have leave for

24 ' '' still photographs to be taken for about a period of ten minutes?

25' i t d House Bill 345, Senator Daley. Senator Daley.Leave s gran e .

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i28. sent. xt's amendment No. l to House Bill 345. 1 move for the adoption

29. of Amendment Np . l on Housq Bilè 345.. .30. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) .

31. Is there further discussion? senator Graham .

32. SENATOR GRAHAM: ' . ' '

33; Ife..are we looking ak the same amendment, Senator? Thatls the

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one that changes Aine twenty-six.

SECRCTARY:

Senator Graham, this is your amendhentz

SENATOR GRAHAMP

5- Tkank you for introducing it.

6- PRESIDING oêFIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l

' Senator Graham moves the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House

8. Bill 345. All those in favor say Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes

( have it. The amendment is adopted. Senator Graham.l l0. ssxavoa cnauau-:

11* I Would appreciate very much and I would be glad to help you.

l2. If we could cut the caucuses down to less than fifty would be help-

l3. ful. And it seems like they always gather around here.

l4- PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

15 ' '* Are there further amendments? 3rd reading. House Bill 612.

16. senator B'rady. That bill has been passed.

SENATOR BRADY:

l8. vhat's correct, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNBWALD)20. 66s is my bill

. 1.11 have to ski'p it. House Bill 809, Senator

Vadalabene. House Bill 809 for Ehe purpose of amendment.

22. SENATOR VADALABENE:

23 f Am ndment uo. 2 to House Bill 809 requires '. Yes, the impact o e

that the applicant for lease to submit to the Department of Trans-

25. po/tation proof that the propcsed usage, improvements and structures

are in compliance with local zoning ordinances and building codes

27. if there are no applicable ordinances or codes at the 'proposed usage: .z'-l'klbzziz-tkkusjh >th'zX,>t:-,';.'r:c>;:)c'.4m.;Y'5,#i(tc;z:t. *;(?:rz7-?'?.'trl'17.-t 'q-;'t't .ktslkq,rkxlys?:z *hz%-%b3..'.viz-W.4n%Lb.Wi.'4bz-' k-l.e:t4Jiu:-.'r.j>/' ' ..'M!ta' n+.s% ..-* 'E.@,J.'ç'4.'- 'txr..nok'lqtizk ei

28. 'improvements and structures have been approved by local corporate

29. autborities. And the second phase of Amendment No. specifies

30. that violation of local zoning ordinanct or building codes may be

grounds for lease eancellation by the Department of Transportation.

32. This is essentially a co'rrected version of colmnittee Amendment No.

33.* that was put on in committee.

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PRESIDIRG OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

Is there further discussion? Senator Howard Mohr. '.*2. 'SENATOR MOHR: .3

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I wonder if Senator Vadalabeneyhas that committee amendment been1 . '

removed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)6.

Senator Vadalabene.

SENATOR VADALABENE:B.

The commâttee amendment, as I understand it, Senator Hovard

Mohr, is that this corrects the qommittee Amendment No.10.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

Senator Howard Mohr.12.

SENATOR MOHR: '

I believe that that committee amendment Will have to be removed.

If you will give me a mihute I will check that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)i6.

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SENATOR VADALABENE:l8.

Yes, Senator..osenatoç Mohr, you are correctly right. I turnedl9.

the page over and it says Tahle Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 80920.

and substitute is a tax. Sor I move, now, to Table Amendment No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)22.No, the motion is to reconsider the vote by which Amendment No.

23.l was adopted. A11 those in favor say Aye. Those opposed Nc. We

are, now, reconsidering the amendment'. The motion is to Table Amendment

No. All those in favor say Aye. Those opposed No. The amendment26.

is Tabled. Senatqr Vadalabçne.:'!1i):,ïtsz'ty. .: :2: ':;!-.:;;9?8$1.'.:,1.-. 'è 1; Ih !4'ï.-::1- '*32.è. ;y.''q..;r.:f:s' zF;;.:ï fàl . :-' ;.. k'.L,syz, -- x7'u.7.lktt,r'; '.'';.ï'. -;J;7.t-(!r..;7)-: 5, i/z-ik:- I-'':f!i2;tSJ '- :: ;kr7, iiêû)z: !t .? ,1-1 ::1.il.tïï'-::-tnp'4. t-d' ,iîï,,bï$: .) r..(. çklv:ks;h,t -: .v.sï JF-S-!j;ù :@,h :.;rtys;$.,.'. -. , . ,',tc t?x :tL-3ib-?çf.- '.'.hkk2i;.7. . ., . -t.,':J).$: ,.- ,2.-?1: $,.#'.:t-!

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Now, I move to adopt Amendmant No. 2, which I've just explained.'

IjPRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DONNEWAL )3 c . ' '

there f urtber discussion? Those ln f avor of adopting Amend-Is

ment No' . indicate by saying Aye . Those opposed No . 'Phe Ayes have

it. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? 3rd33; .

reading. 826, Senator Pawell. You may proceed.

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SCNATOR FAWELLI2. Yesy this amendment which would be Amendment No. l merely changes3.. the word charge and ingerts therein the word paid, and there is no4. controversy to khis and I would ask the adoption of the same.5. PRESIDING OFFICER

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s there further discussion? The question is shall Xmendment7. No. 1 to House Bill 826 be adopted. Those in favor indicate by8. .saying Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. Thë amendment is9* adopted. Are there further amendments? 3rd reading. Just a moment.

l0. SECRETARY:

bl* Amendaent No. 2 by senator...

12' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

13. Just a moment. The bill is back on 2nd. Do we have leave for

l4. that bi.ll to return to the order of 2nd. Leave is granted. Amendment

l5. xo 2 senator noward carroll.

:6 * SENATOR CARROLI,:

17 * Thank you, Mr. President . Amendment No . 2 amends the bill to

18 . say that where the person who uses the card requests the information

19 - f hat the interest is, it shall be ' èent to them. The bill in itso w

2 o . 'original form mandated it whether the consumer wanted it or not and

21' this changes it to request from the consumer with the requirement

22* that the retailer does notify the consumer of his entitlement to thàt

23. information. I would xove the adoption of Amendment No. 2.

24 PRESIDING orFzcEn: (ssNAToR DONNEICALbI

25. Is there further discussion? The question is shall Amendneht

26. so. 2 be adopted. Those àn favor indicate by saying Aye. Those

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28 . as I read the list House Bill 827 was not on it . Do we have leave. '

29. to return to the order of 2nd readinqz Just a moment. Just a moment.

3G. Are there furkher amendments on House Bill 826? 3rd reading. Noko

31. havè I leave to retùrn to the order of 2nd reading concerning House

32. Bill 827? Leave is granted. House Biil 827, Senator Eawell.

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.. *' Senator Carroll. Just a'moment. There is noise to my left and.

' . .4. . . 'noise to my right. And a little quiet in between, but not very much.5. ' .Could we have order, please. Senator Carroll. .

6* SENATOR CARROLL : .

7. . Thank you, Mr. President, and this amendment is the identical2. '- amendment to the one we passed on the companion bill 826. I wouldo' - * moye the adoption of the amendment. 'lc .- PRaslolxc oFeIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALDIll. hère further discussion? The question is shall Amendmentzs tl2. .No

. 1 to House Bill 827 be adopted. Those in favor indicate by sayin:

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' Those opposed No . The Ayes have it . The amendment is adopted.y

' 14 ' are there further amendments? 3rd. reading . 990, Senator Clarke .

15 . 1287 , genator course. senator course, proceed. 1443, Senator Schaf ferol

j, 6 ''* SENATDR SCHAFFER:

17. Mr secretary, what amendment number is this? I would have to

l8. then to get the bill in proper shape, having voted on the prevailing

l9. ' .side move to reconsider Amendment No. 2.

20. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)21* The motion is to reconsider the vote by which Amendment xo

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22 '' was adopked. All those in favor of reconsideration indicate by saying

23. A e. Those opposed No. The amendment is reconsidered. And, now,Y

2 4* move to Table Amendment No. 2. AI1 those in favor indicate by saying

25. it Amendment No. 2 is Tabled.Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes have r

26. SEXATOR SCHAEFER:

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29. This was the Jim soper amendment, whiéh I believe senator Rock is

30. also in concurrence with. . ' '

31. PRESIDING oFEIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

32. zs khere further discussion? The question is shall Amendment

33; No. 3 be adopted. A1l those in favor indicate by sayin: Aye. Those' j

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opposed No. The Ayes have it. The .alendment is adopted. A.re there.. . i' A' /'

furkher amendments? 3rd reading. 1691, Senator Sêhaffer. Tie noise.-2, .

still persistsl Gentlemen and Ladies. May we have order. A little3. .

more. Proceed.4. .I

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Am dment I believe: Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1691 i'sen ?6.

proposed by mer but an agreed amendment with Senator Rock. It in-7.

serts the langudge on reimbursable seryices shall be paid by at one8. .

hundred percent reasonable cost includes.godefines it for Children9.

and Family Services. It is similar to legislation that's bcen be-10.

fore the Body.ll.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DDNNEWALD)12.

Is there further discussion? Senatcr Rock.13. *

SENATOR ROCM:l4. .

Is this khe one that now incorporates 3066, verbatim?zs.

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PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l6.

' Senator Schaffer.l7.

SENATOR SCHAFFER:18.

Yesy I just couldn't remember the bill number.l9.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR'DONNEWALD)20.

Senator Rock. The question is sh'all. . wjust a moment.2l. .

SENATOR ROCK:22.

No, I had a similar amendment ready. As long as itls up there23.

and ready, fine. would urge its adoption.24.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

The cuestion is shall Amendment No. 1 be adoDted. Those in favor26.

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adç'lted. Are there further amendment/? 3rd readinl. House Bill28. - . - . .

1914, Senator Newhouse'. You may proceed if you can hear. , There29. .

are many conferences throughout the Chamberr Ladies and Gentleien,30. . .

which causes great deal of noise. Could we have .order. Senator3 1 .

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s* SENATOR NEWHOUSE :

6 '* 1914 is an amendment for the..oor rather it's for the independent7 . '' colleges and universities . What this amendment does is limit the8 ' . .' amounts of money that can be utilized by Ehose institutions by setting9. a standard for a maxisum of one hundred two hundred dollar rates. The10 '* alternative would have been that there night have been an unlimitedZi' t of monqy which cauld have been spent by the universitites inamounZ2' h event there was an appropriation in an excessive amount. Senatort e13.. Hickey and Senator Fawell were codrafts for the amendment and I

. j 4 ,' would move its adoption.l5. pnzszozxG ospzcsn: (ssNAToR ooxxEwasoll6. senator Fawell. .

1 7 '. SENATOR FAwELL:

l8- There is no problem here except I thought we did this already. .l9. ,Didn t we

, Senator Newhouse. Oh, alright 1...

20. 'PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)2l. zs there further discusssbn? senator Graham.

22. ssxaTon caAuAM:

23. Are we not getting printed forms of these amendments? I haven't

2l. had one for an hour. You can't hear Tkhat they're saying... '

25' PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DONXEWALD)26. Senator

. . .senator Newhouse.

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28. i d we don't have the printed .forms on our desks. I don't i...an

29. know what the devil we're trying to d8, but it isn't right. .

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i3.1.. senator Newhouse.

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33; senator? I realize this doesn't answer your question, but this

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bill that was agreed'pretty mudh and th% amendmvnt was aqreedWas a

upon before such time as you put it qn ié çommittee.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)j '* I've been advisedr Senator Graham, that these amendments were

,5. in fact: placed upon the desks of the members some time ago

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I SENATOR GRAHAM:

B* Mr President? al1 of you know khat itls absolutely an impossi-

- bility to keep track of this huge pile of papers. If they hit my

10 . desk saturday I don 't think I have responsibility for them today and11 * I don ' t have them now

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12 . PRESIDING oy'F'lcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) .

Well, Senatorz this is what happens when we have a huge number

Z4* of bills that the members of the General Assembly, 50th in the House

' and Senate, introduce each year and it s beooming greater and greater

16 . b , the L'ear't anc! .1 can cartafnly synapatlaizq uith you and tlke zes L ôf. 1.

us. Senator Howard Mohr.l8. ssxavoR MoHa:

l9- Mz president, and so in order to move along, but save a llttle

20. time in the end I wonder if we couldn't go Eo the suggestion made2l. the other day whereby these amendments are...are distributed and then22 è. be kind enough ko let our staff review them and okay

.them for call.

2 3 . I f you wou 1d j ust g ive u s a 1 i tt le t ime to 1ook them over .

2 4 . pRE s ID zNG OF F Icc R: (s ENATOR DoNNE;.7ALD)

2 5 . we l l , I . . . I th ink tha t the s e amendmen t s we r e d i s tr i buted some

t ime ago , whi ch wou1 d . . .

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28. Well, Iem just saying a11' of the amenoments rather than coming

.29. in at the last minute with an amendment and ask for ac' tion on it with-

out giving our staffs time Eo review. We a1l know what's going to

31. ' happen. If thatls the will of the Body thatls the Will of the Bodyt. .. . . .

32 but I think that we would be given 'an opportunity to take the time

33.) tq have the staff look them over.

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There are conferenceà all over this 'Chnmh'er. Would the members 1- .

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Nowz. Senator Mohr, your point is well taken, I think it shouldr in5. .

. fact, be discussed by the Rules Committee. The .motion is to adopt' 6 .

Amendment No. 3 to House Bill 1914. h11 those in favor kndicate by7. .

saying Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. The amendment is8. adopted. Are there further amendments? 3rd reading. House Bill 2215,9. S

enator Kenneth Hall. House Bill 2534, Senator Johns. Is it yourl0. '. desire to put on the amendment to this bill, Senator? You may pro-ll. 'ceed. Take it from the record. 2692, Senator Schaffer. You may12. proceed.

l3. yoR scHAFpzR: .ssxa' '4. / ident

, havlng voted on the prevailing side of AmendmentMr. res' l5' No 2 z

. wouzd move to rèconsider the vote bz which thàt amendment was* #l 6 ' '' adooted

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' 17. pazszozuG oFyzcsR: (sENAToR DoxuEwAzo)18 . s u've heard the motion. Alz those in favor indicate by sayingol9. ' .Aye

. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. The amendment is recon-2o. '. sldered.2l' ssuxToR scEheFsRt

77 '--* Move to Table that amendment. Amendment No. 2.

23. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)24. The motion is to Table Amendment No

. 2. A1l those in favor say

25. i vabled.Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. The amendment s

26. senator schaffer. .

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28 *2 laced in the right point '. ' Amendment No. 3 is Amendment No. p

29. in the bill. The drafter of Amendmeni No. 2 failed to notice an

30. amendment put on in the House and was Qorking with the wrong version

3) f the bill. This does the same thing . pointed out by the staff on.@ O

32. the' other side. I move ko adopt Atendment No. 3. 2

33; PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) ' .

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The motion âs...is there further .discussiont The motion is to. . .. ''. .. ;. :. . .. .

. . . ' :adopt Amendment No. to House éill 2692. Al1 khose in favor indicate3 '*

by saying Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. The amendmenti .1

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1. is adopted. House Bill 2617. 2627, Senator Carroll.

5. SENAYOR CARROLL :6 ' .*

Thank you, .MZ'. President. On the order of 2nd reading f irst7 .' move to reconsider the vote by which Amendment No. had been adopted8. for the purpose of Tabling.

9. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)10. The motion is to reconsider the vote by which Amendment No. l

was adopted. Those in favor indicate by saying Aye. Those opposedl2* . i is adopted. He, now, wishes to Table Amendment No. 1.No. The mot on

All those in favor of Tabling Amendment No. l to House Bill 262714* indicate by saying Aye

. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. Thel5. '' amendment is Tabled. Senator Carroll.

16* SENATOR CARROLL:

l7. z now, move that we adopt Amendhent No. which is the identical#

Z8* dment wikh the technical changes made to correct the amendment.amen

'19. PRsslolNG oFFIcER: (sENAToR DouuEwnoo)20- Is there further discussion? The question is shall Amendment

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Senator Netsch.

22. ssxaroa xsTscH:. !

23 '* 1...1 think l should make everyonq conscious of what this amend-

24. menk is. It is one that càused'enormous furor both.aoor at least the

other day when the bill was being voted on on 3rd reading. I gather,

26. I have ùot seen the text of the amendment, but from Senator Carroll's

'hxz.t@J'',pJ*'k4t1. gdeadkl'ptlb.h>. 1u*. . s</zox.ptai. .syisxuï, .e.ytv*hMèp'sk'oatt.œeq'qi.reài.th. q.jwtàtè,.st)>cx''ir- :28. oepartment oc Revenue .to collect all compatible local taxes for a11

local units of .Govçrnment in the State. And I think that there are

30. many members who have objection to the- -maybe not to the...I...the

ultimate objective of the amendmentp but certainly to the kay thatv 32. it has been drawn, because it is much to ioose ended, and I doubt

33*; very much if 'the languase of the now proposed amendment makes those).

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corrections. Sof that whill I appreçiate Senator Carqoll Tabling

the first amendment he ha# compounded the. errob, now, by proposing. *' 't

'' Amendment No. 2, and I would oppose it very vigorously. And I would,! .

1 4 ' ' ' ''I * also4 say that we really ouqht to see a copy of it before we vote on'! 5. .I it. It is a matter of major importance.I 6

.i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)i! 7. Senator Carroll.

8. SENATOR CARROLL:

9.. As senator Netsch has mentioned ,it is identical to Amendment No.10. i tse woaaing,l except for one word that was apparently left out n

ll. language but in the hehding of the civil Administrativenot a new

l2. de In tbe first version of the amendment the word civil was leftco .

13. 'd it has been added to khe amended version and I think beingout an

cïvil I am entitled to have the bill in the form I would like it,

l5. d especiazzy since thé amendment had already been adopted by thisan

Chamher and'it's perely a technical change. If you oppose the con-

cept of this State upon the written request of a unit of local Govern-

. l8- t collectinq the tax and being reimbursed, the cost of collectingmen

19. ' .and making total Government more efficient and makinq total Government

20- less costly to the taxpayer, fine, but. I'd appreciate having

21. the amendment adopted.

22* IDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)PRES i23. Is there further discussion? The question

. ..senator Harris.

24. ssxavoR HARRIS:

25. i t a ain that I think this amendment iswell, I raise the po n , s ,

26. absolutely not germane and, of course, what it does is bring a com-

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29. of Government of their levied local takes. I don't think jhe FloorL

30 i bsolutely late date is the tfme or placd for that kind of. at th s a

di bill that has beenconsideration on an amendment on 2nd rea ng on a

recalled from 3rd reading. It's a'matter that ought to have a great

.'33) deal of evaluation in the appropriate committee and I would urge ihe

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SENATOR ROCK: .

5 .* Th'ank you, Mr . President . I think that Senator Harris ' remarks6 . ''

were not in order. The question of germaneness has already been ruledy'

upon. In addition to that this was a committee amendment. What we8 ' .*

are doing...what we have been doing for the past twenty five minutes9.

or so and that is making the amendment technically correct. Senator

10. Carroll has twice stated that there is no substantive change otherll. than thp addition of one word, which apparently dropped out of the12. i k he has, as he said, the right to put the billtypewriter, and z th n13.. in the form he wishes it and I would urge the adoption of Amendment14. No. 2. 'l5. PRESIDING OP

FICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)16 '.* Senator Glass. .

17'' SENATOR GLASS:

18. Well, thank you, Mr. President, I guess my question has been -l9.

answered. I was going to see if there was enough change in the i20. ' Iamendment to ask for another ruling on germaneness. We d be happy21. to have one. It still seems tb me not to be germane, but if there

. i22. I been any substantive changes and I guess we'll have to go alonq 'ihasn t: #23. 'with the early ruling. . t. '

. j24. .PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALb) . !zs ,'' You're right. Is there further discussion? The question is i

t26. ishall Amendment No. 2 be adopted. A11 those in favor indicate bv

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29. Those opposed No. The voting is open; Have.all those voted who

30. wisht gave a1l those voted wbo wish? Take the record. On that' 3). uestiqn the Ayes are 23

, the Nays are 30. 1 Voting Present. Amend- ''' (),

. (32. ment No. 2 not having recèived a majority fails. Are thbre further .

33; amendments? 3rd reading. House Bill 2692. Is there...this has been .

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1 .t advanced. Is there leavq to recall it. to 2nd7 Leave is qranted., . . . . .' The bill is now on 2nd reading. Amendment No. 4 by Senator Morris.

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4. SENATOR MORRIS:

5. .Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and fellow Senators.


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B ' SENATOR Molm ls :

- Mr. President. I ' 11 be alright. It' s been so loud in here .

10 * body has been speaking. I 've had a tough time making. theEvery

11 ' transition. This amendment is desiqned to make this bill basically

12 . vorkable. As it now stands the bill is unworkable in that it creates

13 ' ' è d disciplinary board within the Department of Reg' istrakion anda s con

14 . yzucakion.

15 ' PRESIDING oyvlcslk: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

16 . you may proceed. We are' on House Bill 2692 .

17. SENATOR MoRRls:

lg' This would result in the basic agençies overseeing the medical

l9. licensing in the state of Tllinois, wbich providcs for terrible dup-

2o. iffieult andlication. It, also, would create a fund which would be d

2l' almost impossible to administer and to cover the cost. This amend-22 '- ment is deylgned to keep the good features of the bill and rid the

23. bill of the bad features which are mapy. The... t.herefs fiscal problems

24. with the bill as drafted and this wouid correct those in that it wouldI

25- provide for a special fee to be collected and there would be no way /' j26 . f or that f ee tq be administered . The other problem that I f Il1 trying

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'. 29. also be the judqez.the jury and the investigator and we're trying to !

30. separate those functions. We do not deny that we need more people

' ible problems within the medicàl professïon. Butz '31. to investlgate poss f32. we don't think it sho'uld be the s.ame peogle serving in those functions.)33; This amendmeni would put the bill in a Workable order. This amendment i

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* Is there further discussion? Senator Schaffer. ''

5. sssaœou scuk yvsa: ' ) 1.,t; . f gj . r'.Well, I m the Senate sponsor of House Bill 2692 and would t

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* categorize this. amendmént as having basically the same effect as .1g . ' , . . j* striking the enacting clause. This bill wïth this amendment on dies .1.t

19* i t I think, has responded very responsi- ,.t

instantly. The Medical Soc e y:

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' bly to the need for better policing of its ranks: they've offered to ,'. )

ll. i fee to cover for the polieing of thqir ranks. 4double their reqistrat on 1

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And they Want this board to be annointed by a slightly higher power t

l6. Lhen Ron slacklar.. They went thîs board to be confirmed by Ehe State jl 7 '* Senate . ànd therein lies the real problem that Director Stackler has

1'8 * ith concept . We ' re shall we say, chipping away at his particularw

l9. tle I don't single :im out for any abuse. I suspect all bureau-CaS .

20. 'crats like to build castles. The Medical Societyz I think, has re-

21- ded very responsively. Theyq.fe offered to finanee the policingspon

22 . f their ranks, theylve added many more categores for listing ofo

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**' licenses, and in the final analysis this board is advisory and Mr.

24. Staekler as director will still be the final power and he can qo .

2s. against this board if he wants to. This amendment is totally un-

26. acceptablc. Ik deskroys the concept, the thrust and the intention

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28' believe, to the House sponsors. I requqst of Senator Morris that if

29* he wishes to defeat the bill and the cohceptv thp place to do that

30' is on 3rd reading. This amendment should be rejected. I ask and3l. humbly request that the members of this Dody allow me to proceed with

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PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) '3. . l

Is there further discussion?. Senator Morris, do you Wish to ;1.

close the debate? '5. .

SENATOR MORRIS:6. ,

I...I'd just like a roll call. I think that Senator...7.

PRESIDIQG OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)8.

Roll Call.9.

SENATOR MORRIS:l0.

. e .schaffer is somewhat incorrect. We are not gutting khe bill.ll.

We're keeping the good features of the bill, but we're trying tol2.

prevent a fiscal problem. This bill as it's now drafted would resultl3. .

in a fund being created with the money coming into that fund could14.

nok be used in a way that it is supposed to be used. And wefre tryingl5.

to put the bill in a proper form, and I'd appreciate a fayorable rolll6. .

call.l7.


A roll call is requested. The question is shall Amendment No.19. .

4 be adopted. Those in favor vote Aye. Those opposed No. The voting20.

is ppen. Have a1l those voted who wish? Take the record. On that2l.

question the Ayes are l2, the Nays are 34. l Voting Present. Housd...22.

Amendment No. 4 to House Bill 2692 fails. Are there.further amend-23.ments? 3rd reading. House Bill 1968*. You may proceed. Senator24.Nudelman. Just a momentz'senator, I think to be in order we should

25.have leave to call that back. That was not one on the list. So, is

26.there leave to 'call House Bill 1968 for the purpose of an amendment

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28.. SENATOR NUDELMAN:

29.Thank you, Mr. President, that was going to be my first motion.

30.I move, Mr. President, that we put Amendment No. l on House Bill 1968.

3 ). . . .The amendment has been worked out between .staff of the Department of32. '

' Insurance on tlle Republican side and the Democratic side. It makes33;

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cedure by which the medical malpractice f.und would be funded: and I' ;

' would more fully explain that, Mr. Priside'ntr at the time of presenta-

4* tion of the bill.

5* PRCSIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

i 6* Senasor.a.senator Partee. 7. SENATOR PARTEE :

8 . I ' d just like to ask Senator Nudelman if you . could hold this .

9 . This is a mptter that we have not really had a chance to get into and

l0. there is a great deal involved here and I'd just like a little time

ll. to get ready for it.

l2. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

l3. 'Then theowowould it be acceptable to move the bill back to 3rd

14. with the provision that it would b: brought back to 2nd. 3rd

l5. reading. House Bill 2804, Senator Vadalabene. You may proceed.

l6. SENATOR VADALABENE:

17. Yes, thank you, Mr. President and members of the Senate. Senate

l8. Amendment No.. l to House Bill 2804 .was proposed by Srnator Nimrod,

l9. the R'epublican and Democractic Staff, it was cleared with the House

20. sponsor, Representatfve Fennessey. This amendment has been brought

21. to apply the original intention of this >ill to almost all real estate

22. exempted under the Revenue Actg and I would move for its adoption.' l

23. PRESIDING OEEICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

24 . Is there f urther discussion? The question is shall M endment

25 . No. l to House Bill 2804 be adopted. Thosç in f avor indicate by

26 . saying Aye. Those opposed No. The Ayes have it. The amendment is

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28. 2617. Members of the Senate, this particular bill was on the Agreed

29 List. It hasz in faat, been removed.' Do h'e have leave to return it. *

3c. to the order of 2nd reading? Leave is granted. . Senator Course.

3). SENATOR COORSE:

Thank you, Mr. President. This Amendment :o. l ko House Bill32.

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2617 wdà suggested by Senator Nimrod, and that on Paqe two?

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. 1 ' .' .* thenty-three it deletes without competitive bidding. At the present

, . jr-,/w y.q.gy.-' * time this is done by the Division o f Voc at ion à k il itation through. 3. rules and regulations, which 'they have adopted . It was suggested that

4 '. we put it in the statute and make it, well, more legal. And I Would

5. sove the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 2617.

6. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) '

7* ' Is there further discussion? The question is shall Amendment

8. No. l be adopted. A1l those in favor indicate by'saying Aye. Those

9. opposed No . The amenzment is adopted. Are there further amendments?

l0. 3rd reading. House Bill 2538. That we ask leave...just a moment.ll. senator Johnsp this has been moved back to 2nd. You may proceed.

12. SENATOR JOHNS:

13. Now, the amendment that I have offered is based on' the fact that

l4. it would be-..let me give you a digest of the bill so koulll be under-l5. standing for sure of khat I'm about to do. .

16 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR'DONNEWALD) '

l7. Just a moment. They'll be understanding if they can hear you,

18. senator. You may proceed.

19. SENATOR Jonxs: '

20. We/re attempting here to amend the Detective and Investigators

2l. Act. What Ifm looking for is a way to help young people get employqd

22. into this industry. It would be extremely helpful to our industry '

23.' if section 10B, Article I of the Illinois act could be amended

. 24. to lower the mikimum age requirement Lor unarmed guards from twenty-

25. one to eighteen. Now, as you Gentlemen and Ladies can appreciate,

26. this would proyide a large numher cf job opportunities for young

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Is there further discussion? The question is shall Amendment3o.

3). No. 4 to House Bill 2538 be adopted. Those in favor indicate by

. 32. saying Aye. Those o/posed No. The Ayés have it. The ameidment is33; adopted. Are there further amendments? 3rd reading. Itls the request

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of Xenator Egan to remove House Bill 960 from the Agreed Bill List.. . tr' . .'

Is .there leave? Leave is granted. Now, there is a request as to-

House Bill 114. Senator Knuppel. Senatort.wdo we have leave to re-

I 4 turn to the order of 2nd reading for .the purpose of an amendment?

Leave is granted. Senator Knuppel, proceed.5.

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IId like to have House Bill l14 returned to 2nd reading for the7.

purpose of Senator Mohr placing an amendment thereon. The amendment8 . .

is on the desk of the cle4k and has been distributed. The amendment9. .

changes the date of expiration of the purpose of the Act from 1982l0.

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SENATOR MOHR:14.

That's exactly wha# the amendment does, Mr. President, and Il5. .

move fo/ the adoption.k6. .


Is there further discussièn? The question is shall Amendmenk18. .

No. l.to Houve Bill ll4 be adopted. Those in favor indicate by sayingl9.

Aye. Those opposed No. The amendment is adopted. House Bill 121,20.

senator Glass. This has been...we have had leave to return t.o the21.

order, so you may proceed.22.

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Thank you, Mr. President. Senator Rock, I believer would like24.

to offer an amendment to this bill. He has it on the Secretary's Desk.25.

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Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senateu31.

ilf I mean House 3ill 12l is introduced and passed over hereSenate B ,32. '

by Representative Porter. It calls for the Secrekary of State and3 3 .; '

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the county clerk to give notice to thpse persons who are reqùirpd t6

file the governmental ethic statement, or statement of economir interest3' All

. Ifm suggesting by virtue of this amendment, is that. the Secretary

of State, in fact, send notice to those people who are required to' 5 . .file with his office and the county clerp-s, respectively, of the

6 ' '' hundred and two counties,send notices to those people who are required

7 '* io file with the county clerk. does not, it seeas to me, make any8. ' . .sense to have the Secretary sending notices to everybody, because ,9 * i fact, all the f ilings do not come to him. Some are local f iling,n

Z0 * state f iling , and all I am saying is that that of f icer insome areZZ ' hich of f ice these f ilings is . to repose, should send notice as concernsw

l2. those- -those statements. And I would move the adoptlon of Amendment

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Senator Glass.

l6' SENATOR GLhss:

Well, Mr. President, oppose the amendment. Unlike Senator

1B. Roe, who spoke.-.excuse me, unlike senator schaffer who spoke aboutl9. his bill a little while ago

, I don't think this would...would ruin

20' the bill, but it is not the s'hape the Mouse sponsor would like it in.

21. He would like the bill be voted on in its present shape, j.n which the22' secretary of state will mail oùt notices of the required ethic filings23. unless a county clerk in a given eounty wishes to make that notification

and in Cook County we're advised that bstanley Kusper is interested in

25' doing that. But, in the smaller counties the cost of so doing to

26. these clerks. . .

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29. SENATOR GLnss:

30. 'Thank you: Mr . President. The cost of so doing to these clerks

33.. is such that they do not want this added responsibility, and I Would

32. point out that we earlier 'koday passed Senator Egan's bill of which

no lonqer would require the sending out of forms: campaign disclosure

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1. forms to all candidates, simply beeause cf the cost involved. Soz I2 ; . - '

oppose the amendmenty and would like ko make this optional with the3. . :'county clerks rather than mandatory upon them. If they don t do it4. .kh

e notices will cpme from the Secretary of State.5. PRESiDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)6. Is there further discussion? Senator Rock moves for the adoption7. .

of Amendment No. l to House Bill 121. A11 those in favor indicate8. b# saying Aye

. Those opposed. The Ayes have it. A roll call is9. requested. A roll call is requested, and my ear is not too bad. Al1l0. those in favor of adopting Amendment No. 1 indicate by voting Aye.

l1* h ting is open. Have a1l those votedThose opposed vote No.. T e vo

12' i h? Take the record. On that question'the Ayes are 25, thewho w sl3. Nays are 25. The Amendment No. l to House Bill l21 fails. Are EhereZ4* f ther amendments? 3rd reading. Now, as to House Bill 2538,11veur .15* been advised by the Secretary that there are ncw two identical

l6. é' :ghamendments to that bizl. senator Johns, which amendment o you wl7' to Table? we'll have to recall it,having voted on the prevailing side.

l8- which one do you wish to Table? senator Johns.'

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. President, if #ou will remember, when you called me earlier21. , uss amend-today I looked startled, because I wasn t prepared to put t

22. because I thought I had already done it and I had. This is... .ment on

23 '' this is Amendment No. 4 which is identical to No. 3 which I already

24 . laceu on the bill . so, I now move to Table. . .p

25 ' PM SIDING oF'F'IcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

26 . No you mave to reconsider the vote by which M endment No . 4#

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28. have it. The-- 'we are now reconsidering Amendment No. 4. You nowo '

29. move to Table Amendment No. 4. A1l those in favor say Aye. Those

30. opposed No. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 4 is Tabled. Are there

31. further amendments? 3rd reading. That bill was recallèd to 2nd

32. reading. We had leave for that. 3rd reaéing. House Bills on 3rd

33; raading. House Bill 647, Senator Berning. Read the bill.

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5* PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) I6 S tor Berning. '. ena

7. SENATOR BERNING: :

8. Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 647 says just this - if. E

9. the child resident of any district because of his handicap attends* j

l0. a residential facility within the Skate of Illinois for blind or deaf'

kll. children, the resident district shall provide any necessary transporta- I

l2. tion not to exceed one hundred dollars per year and shall be eligiblei

13. for the transportation reimbursement provided in section fourteen, Ithree dash one. Mr. President, this is simply to aid in a small way. 14.

l5. ' those blind and deaf handicapped children. Now, 1111 be glad to l' ,

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. l7. We are providing an additional transporation allowance, which the I. I

1B. State will reimburse the school districts for. I would appreciate

l9. a favbrable roll call.' I20

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21. Is there further discussion? Senator Fawell indicates there may

22. bè real opposition. Senator Fawell. , J

23. SENATOR FAWELL: . l24. Well, Mr. President, this is a very difficult... 'I

25. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENAYOR DONNEWALD) I

26. Just a moment. Could we break up a11 of the conferences upon. I

st . . q'. 'Aeizd'p-' rg-va'l'' ' ,>'..A.t4.q.s:qt;:;..+q' h t..,.z..& xs. #->:.'' qao/- ..'' . ', .. - ,..kltsz' :1.. m-imztyt. k.w.r.$.., J.' :J' ,$.-k&9. .nx.J4. .,. ' ' . re. .%- F. h-sp wto-b, ...p.w-.. f?,1ï.f, s.:,-x:.. q.n. p.:uAatsl2g. are eomplesed, or removed. senator uowara xohr, are you finisheda

' . jzq senator Nudelman, Senator Philip, Senator Savickas, weld like to

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de to the noise. Pr:ceed. ' i3 ). . . DX

SENATOR FAWELL: ' . ' '32. ,

' Well, Mr. President, I was about to say that iE!.s a very difficult33; .

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bill to say anything in a negative ch:racter about, but thii is q2 . '-

cost to local districts. It's rather small because we're dealing

3. j 'only wit the blind and the deaf, but there are many qther handicapped

4. ''.children that's attending a1l types of resizèntial schools and, of

5. .j course, if we do grant this type of transportation costs for the6 . .children who are attending the blind and deaf schools then we, of7. .

course, are going to be faced with the understandable request from

3. jparents of chil ren emotiùnally disturbed or any type of physical or9.

mental handicap who will be expecting the same thing. I guess Ilû. , jdon t have enouqh courage to say - no, I m going to vote Present,

l1. ,but I think its something we ought to give some thought to. It sl2. jan area the State hasn t gotten into in the past. The cost for thel3.

. residential care, educational facilities are quite great, and I would14. suggest thak this is legislation that understandably will open the1q '-' doors. to the parents of al1 of our handicapped children who are ink6. residential facilities where any type of education is being grantedl7; to the children, which really ought to be the case, that we will also

l8* have and rightly so, simila:'expenses in all of those cases.

l9. PRESIDING UFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

20. Is khere furthçr debate? Senator Berning wishes to close the21. debate. Proceed.22. SENATOR BERNING: '

23. 'Let me point out to the members of the senate this is only f or

24 . hose handicappad children who are attending a residential facility.t

1 5 . Now, khere are such f acilities in Jacksonville : Chicago , Springf ield r

2 6 ' itchf ield and Dixon . total of approximately f ourteen hundredL

.,t)1. x'f/. lt<rstl?hdealfs.ttatyxizl:fav. .x.vsler,:esiw. tmlavbtohvsjthehi. qp&,.ilv':hvptyrell.vdotbl. a#srzAb. u.lsrg,'f,k$.g)./28. wotxd be a hundred forty thousand dollars, yes. But, I submit that

29. ther handicapped cpzizd ls already olkgible for transportatiop re-ano30. imbursement

. uow, if because of his handicap the special education

program of a school diskrict is unable to meet the needs of a childk '32. and 'é chzld attends a nonpublic school the school district must pro-# . '

33L vide any necessary transportation. However, transportation cannot

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bq provided to a residential school. .And thak .is what House 3i11 617g . . . . * .'

seeks to correct. It's to bring these ch.ildren inko parity with the3 .*

others. This expands on this responsibility to provide transportation4 ' ''

for handicapped children to include transportation to and from resi-s .*

dential facilities. In order to qualify for reimbursement the Super-i .

6. intendent must determine in advance that the child requirès such

7. Vransporation to take advantage of special education programs. Trans-8.

portation for the handicapped child through a residential facility9. 'is no less essential than transportation to any other special educa-l0. ti

on class or school. I submit this is fair legislation in order kolZ' it to this small segment of the handicapped school popula-bring equ y

tion. And I would urge a favorable Vote.

l3. yusszolxc opzzcER: (ssxAœoR ooxxswALo)l4. i is shall House Bill 647 pass. Those in favor voteThe quest onl5' i is open. Have all those votedAye. Those opposed No. The vot ngl 6 .* who wish? Take the record. On that question the Ayes are 46e the17- Nays are 4. 5 voting Present. House Bill 647 having received the

l8* itutional majority is declared passpd. House.e.oh, Senatorconst

l9. Bruce.

20. aucE:SENATOR B

Yes, Mr. President and members oè the Senate. Forqthose Lhat22 '' wahted to yecord as voting in the negative on the Agreed Bill List '23. I would point out that it is about sqven minutes till two and I be-

24. lieve the chair established a deadline' of two p.m. on getting those

25. lists in. I was the one that asked for the extension for some of the

26. members last time. would want not to be put in that position again.

. . wm .. tj 1):+4.*:%1 .-,A NXYH b. okkbALrll.. ...28. The suqgestion is well taken. There will be no extension. You

29. have seven minutes, members of the senate. senator Bruce indicates'

30. he will not be late. House Bill 655, Senator Lemke. Read the bill.

31. ACTING SECRETARY: (>jR. FERNANDES) '

House Bill 655/

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PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)) -- senator Lemke. '4. SENATOR LEMEE:

This bill extends the State Group Life Insurance benefits to6 ,* employees who retire bef ore 1966 . It has an amendment on it Which

requires submission of evidence of insurability for employees to8 ' .* obtain dependent coverage. This amendment helps solve the problem9 . f the huge cost of the program.o1û - PRESIDING obaylcEa: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)ll. h fursher discussion? senator Harris.zs t ere.1z '* SENATOR

HARRIS:

13' . well , z would just point out in this day of duel budget requests114 ' b the chief Executive and asking f or six percent cost reduction ofy

What he originally asked for, this certainly comes under the category16 '* of a new program and will add at leask seven hundred fifty thousand

17'. fdollars out of General Revenue funds commitment. It s retroactive18* inclusion of persons who are not covered at the time we beqan the

l9- original g/oup benefits program at that particular period of time.

2o. .I just.- vof course, everybody wants to be helpful to everybody. But,2l' the cost of this program is quite significant and the membership

22- should be aware of it. My calculations are that it would be somewhere '

23' in the neiqhborhood of seven hundred fifty thousand dollars a year.

24. pnEszozuc oFrzcEn: (sEuAToR DONNEWALD)

Is there further discussion? Sènator Lemke may close the debate.

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l . '28. thing will cost a hundred thousand dollars annually and think it S

a favorable vote to kake care of thosé people that have worked bard

30. for khe state and have been retired, and r think its only our duty

here to protect them. And welre the only person to speak for them.

0ne of these days welre göing to be in that category apd, 'wedre going

to come back to the Legislature for benefits that were denied us, and

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' ' k- .3 . . ' :'.' The question is shall House Bill 6î5 paés. Those in favor voke4. .Aya. Opposod No. The voting is open. . Have a11 those voted who5. .wish? Have al1 those voted who Wish? Take the record. On that6. 'guestion tht Ayes are 26# the Nays are l8. 3 Voting Present. HouseV . *'* Bill 655 not having received the constitutional majority is declared8. , ilost. House Bill 663: Senator Rcck. House Bill 665. We 11 sk p9. it

. House Bill 679, Senator Carroll. House Bill 704, Senator Howardl0. *R

. Mohr. Read the bill.1l. ACTING SECRETARY

: (MR. FERNANDES)l2. House xBill 704.

l3. (Secretary reads title of bill)

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15. 'PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l6. 'Senator Hcward Mohr.l7. ' 'sEuATou MoHR:

l8- il1 provides for the adequate bondingYes, Mr. President, this b

l9. . ' 'of muniçipal t'reasures who act as the custodian of library f unds . I2 0 . know of no opposition, and would ask for a favorable roll call. Is

21* here further discussion? The question is shall House Bill 704 pass .t

22. .Those in favor vote Aye. Those opposed No. The voting is open.

23. Have all those voted who wish? Would you vote me, please, somebody.

24. h i ht way. Take the record. On that question ,the Ayes are 55,T e r g

2s. the Nays are none. voting Present. House Bill 704 having received

26- itutional majority is declared péssed. Senator carroll, Ia const

27 . in dyertently skipped over your pill 679 Is it your 'desire. . .hold(! , . . : . #jtshbqk

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30. uouse sill 707.

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32. 3xd reading of the bill.

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. 13* President and éembers of the Body. Senate Bill...HouseYes, Mr.1* Bill 707 as amendcd does this, iE provides that op the tax on the IS* h nd dollars of Eaxable wages for each employer in 1first forty t ousa

I6. 'each quarter that the maximum rake of tax shall be two point seven l7 '* #ercent. The present law provides that this two point seven percent

. I0* limitation shali apply only on the first twenty thousand dollars of 19* wages of edch quarter, so this is a billr.l think, I believe is desir-10. 'able to a1l of the members of the Body inasmuch as it is affects

1Z' directly the small employer. .It gives him a benefit. A small employer12. who has wage's of less than a hundred and sixty thousand dollars would l

1l3. benefit in that there would be an absolute maximum limitation of* two poïnt seven percent of the tax on his contributions into this

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$1.5. fund.. subject to any guestions,l'd be happy to answer any and wouldl6. liclt the favorable consideration of a1l the members of'this Bady

z. tsok7'* because I think this is a bill th

at does benefit the small employer.. t1B* PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) ..'

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(l9. senatot Graham. '20. .SENATOR GRAHAM:

2t* Mr. President, as usual ap senator Mccarthy explained the bill

22. tl as it is, and my only observation is that the huge increase 1exac y

23' which was provided for in Senate Bill 285 would indicate to me that) .

24. the number cf people that would be helped by this bill are very mini-'

)25. mum. But, it was certainly explained correctly by the sponsor. 126

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,u . l/28. 7071 pass. A1l those in favor vote Aye

.. Those opposed No. The voting j

29. is open. Have al1 vcted who wish? Take the record. Oh that qupstion 1

30. the Ayes are 44, the Nays are 1l. House Bill 707 'flewe..House Bill, . I31. 707 declared passedx..having reccived the constitutional majority is I'

j32. declared passed. House Bill 723, Senator Carroll. Read 'the bill.

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SENATOR CARROLL:6.

Thank you, Mr. President and members of the Senate. House Bill7.

723 deaks with the posting and personal service requirements in aB.

forceable entry and detainer. What we have said is that Where a9.

landlord sues for both possession and back due rent he can under thisl0. '

bill proceed f or his action on possession by posting, but if he wantsl 1 .

j;some ackion f or back rent there must e personal service . If he hasl 2 .

not gotten personal service he can still proceed to judgement for 'l 3 .possession on *he posting alone and then if he ever does get personal1 4

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service go back in and get judgement on that. Under present law ifl5.

he posts and has not personally served then he must amend his com-l6. . '

l plaint and take out the requese for a money judgement before he can1

proceedveven though he has paid court costs. This appears to be fairl8.

to b0th sides. rt allows the landlord t% proceed, but still allowsl 9 . . . .

Ehat no money judgement can be entered against the tenant unless he20. .

has been personally served. I would move for a favorable roll call.2l. . passzolxc oeszcsa: (sEuAToR DopxswaLo)

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Is thère further discussion? The question is....ch, Senator '23.

Nudelman.24.

SENATOA NUDELAGN:25.

Would the sponsor yield for a question?26.

PRESIDING OFCICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) . .

.4#4p4V.é't!#f*-kkt'@)?<k,r4k4*e ' -W iïh%s%%iv:' vr4* t. -tdlxyl'>/w'?t'<i.'.tjL'+ %B Lt,6, totMtKWY ' #*. Z'ce t%rkpêïr'ktk.à%fhr#lklkef4y'' h indicates he ui1l.'He says no. Yes, e28. ;

' SENATOR NUDELMAN:29.

what happens, senator car'roll, if you post and this defendan:3c.

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in fact, files an appearance or otherwise shows up in court?3 ). . . . .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)32. . '

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I.' J'''3 of the court and money judgement can :e eqtqred. I'n sorry. It did. *

. 4 say either service or filing an appeabance.,j * . .I s PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)I

Is there further discussion? The question'is shall House Bill'I 6.

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7. 723 pass. Those in favor vote Aye. Those opposed No. The votingI .1 8. is open. Have al1 those voted who wish? Take the record. On that'! :. question the Ayes are 56, the Nays are none. House Bill 723 havïng

zo received khe constitutional majority is declared passed. House Bill

11 741, Senator Brady... Dona. ..Maore...Lane. Read the bill.

SECRETARY: .l2. .

House Bill 741. .l3.

(Secretary reads title of bill)l4.

3rd readinq of the bill.l.5 . .

PRESIDiNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) ' .,l6.

' Senator Brady.l7.

SENATOR BRADY:l8.

'9 Yes, House Bill 741 amends khe Illinois Public Aid Code tol . .

provide that the claim of the State against the estate of a recipient20.

for benefiks paid shall not apply to a homestead occupied prior to21. z

the death by the recipient. '22.

' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) . . t23.

' a4 Is there further discussion? The questionvv.senator Schaffer.

SENATOR SCHAFPER:25.

Well, I'd like to get a few comments in on this bill. I will26.

say that the amendments on the bill improves the bill considerably.itto iV7 4fj@:R ?F&Ar>%m' t' *.' . R' ' 'kk5.% .à.3#nv<b>ankt*.-%%H- #. kvy.' -Mi;.t$' '.k'*ee.rw<:plk#&. 4 'j.fxttcàltlzzxzzk', fzt4p. '' 'ê '*a u . . ..4:t,$ . . . .. . . . .. . . . . . . , - .' what I'd like to explain vhaE this bill does. 1) tIm a milliohazre28

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and I don't feel like taking care of my parents I cap have them put,29. . '

' ' when they reach a certain point, into a county nursing home and the30

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State though the Department of Public Aid will pick up the tab and .3 1 *

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then I don'.t have to pay for them and I can go 'd.own to Acapulco and32. ' ..go water-skiing. And then when my parenks die .if they have an estate%.' 3 3 ; ' '

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under twenty-five thousandf I can show up and pick it up. I call this 2 ' . . ' .

' the vulture .bil1.' And , you know: this is the kind of situàtion where t.' , 3 . , . ,

. 1 feelz that if somebody advacates the rqsponsibiliky, or frankly can t4 ' .è f inancially swing it I certainly don l t . . .that doesn ' t bother ne . When

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. -* they advocate the care of their parents, that's fine, and we as the State

6. .pick pp the care of the parents and pick up the tab, that's perfectly

7* alright. But, you can't have your cake and eak it as far as I'm con-

8. = 'cerned. If you don't...if you don't take care of your parents, I9. ' y y:think that when they do pass on that the.o.any estate that s e ...l0. 'that the bill that has been run up by the Department of Public Aid

ll. to support them should come out of the estate, rather than going to

' 12 ' he heirs of the estate . This doesn ' t do anything f or anybody Who f st

13 . c) tpjj.s j.spoor . This is f or the heirs . And my opinion is , as I sai ,

l4' i11 and if this bill passes we should consider changinga vulture b

l5. the State bird from the Cardinal to the Vulture.l6. PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR DONNEWALD) , 'yg . .* Senator Don Ao Moore.lg.

.' SENATOR MOORE:19. 'Thank you, Mr. President and members of the Senate. I speak

20. id wuere therein favor of this bill. The only category in Public A

2l. 'is a medical lein that exists today is on the aged, blind and dis-22. 1 'abled. Now, I have in my district and I m sure you have in your

23' h t do èwn their homes, that havé paid offdistrict, ozd peopze t a

24. 'their mortage, that have paid taxes for Ahirty, or forty, or fifty

25 ' ,' years before they retired. Nos'7, a11 of a sudden if they re in need

26 . f medical assistance, a lien attaches . It doesn' t attach on ano

. . ? 7 r . . . ufl zy , v.sa 4. j. - r; s pujjjx q. ?) qg s ljyylvyttp.vqyyjut jxjy, ysyy yjxt pa y v/, > g kjyta q , redg wyyxyu. 2-<z-v.st#.t-?;&4:'.-è-,I)-' . ag--.q .7 fp?!4-t.r?..t4-- 4s..-9..,>f,x.)k.. .-,..,..c: .. , -... -. ?t,..e. a r'zt-wx . . - . - v. . ,,t .: . . .m ;,j .23. lind and disabled

. sow, senator schaffer raised the same arqumentb

29.' fivein committee. The bill is amended to exclude the first twenty-

30 ': . thousand dollars of homestead. In my opinion, it should be eliininated

31- ltogqther like we haye for the other categories . I think this is a. a

32. d bllz for the senior citizens of this. state. I .know in many cases. qoo

. 33. here a lien is pzaced on their ùome, it is impossible for them to- W

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sell the housà even khough they might'want to move someplace tlse. ,..

2 ' >' ' They ' re stuck thqre . I khink this is a good bill # Mr. Presidènt t 3. -.and I urge the support of al1 the members of t:e Senate.

4. .PM SIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) '

q 'Is Ehere further debate? Senator Glass. .

6.SENATOR GLASS: .

7. . .A question of the sponsor, Mr. President?

8 ' .' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWM D) '

9 '' He indicates he Will respond .

l 0 . SENATOR GLASS :

l l . 'Could you explain the amendment? Senator Moore alluded to it .12 . The . . vthere is an exemption f or the f irsk twenty-f ive thousand of thel 3 . . in value of the homestead . Now, does that mean that the lien . . .if the'4' ' i's prcrth forty thousand does the fien attached toproperty, let s say,l5' ùhat portion over tweaty- five thousand, or is it attached toonly:6 * h f irst tsfsrlty-f ive thzusand? '. t e17. PRESIDING OFFICER

: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l 8 . ' -.Senator Brady.l9. SENATOR BRADY:

20. 'Over the twenty-five thousand, Senator Glass.21 z .* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)22. Senator Glass.

23. SENATCR GLAss:

24. 'So, thak the only porkion that is insulated from the lien, then,

25' is the first turenty- five thousand. Alright. Thank you.

26' PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

t%k.9#e. ' ' '.?3.2'.'?,.j'kz%.)t-1tf4'èt>' '' Jk'ot&'/?à rtiGzsrit'z 'Jsy'jùqntrtik-ltkjjzlsni.tgk.' :ta,zv$-.$faF?e;p.'?./: ' .kt<'k'';Y%%*ê%6?.iîLv>. >k4'.>%>'%t:1>'àï< :7r:&rIp-+*.u'i'' ' . me Indzcate. 3 es . ' Is u'hci.e Yûz. fker dls'cusazon . :.:,1:% qnestzon .l .

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28 . j.s '' hall House Bill 741 pass. A11 those in favor vote Aye. Thoses

:9 '' opposed No. The votinc is oren. Have all those vpted who wish?

3o '- Take the record. on that question the Ayes are 42y the Nays are ll.

33.. l voting Present. House Bill 74l having received the constitutional

32 ' . f hat pu' rpose do .. majority is declared passed. senator Buzbee, or w33k you arise?

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2.A point of personal yrivilege, Mr. President.

'' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)4.

State your point, Sir.5.' SENATOR BDZBEE:6.

I just wondered if Senator Schaffer is going to get. that...make7 . . j

that vulture bill a ccmmittee bill, .or if he s going to introduce8. that separately?9. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)1(j .* The Senate doesnît.e.is not going to have any more committee bills

1l.. this Session. House Bill 752. Senator Berning. Read the bill..- l2. SECRETARY:

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14. a titye o: bill)(Secretary rea s. l 5 . .3rd readinq of the bill

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l6. R nouxEwacs). PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATO

17. iSenator Bern ng.

.. l8. SENATOR SERNING:

19 . ' 'd llke leaveMr. president, I tried to get your attention . I

20 - i11 back to 2nd reading f or the purposeof the Body to brins this b21 . f considering an amendment.o22. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)23. zs there leave? Leave is granted. You are now on 2nd reading,

24. senator nerning. I'm sorry you didn't get my attention. Proceed.

2s. uavox ssxuzxc:ss

26 This is Amlendment No. l to House- .senate Amendment No. 1 to

hàth'tbzL%tz' . .s7.4** !z1;6à?4.'fIf;é;s4-J;.:J!L1.i. piripvvjtxkt'j'yht' tsù. 'ïFUI!%j.J. Jp' ttt'x' . .i'w, ''ssilfâ'dyjkaiiikyà/' lï'èàê. oildft itlhtm:ë,n/'.u'1z. ...t'èliRiAl%k#'. . . p' . .

28. it was when it was introduced.by the éponsor. It was amended in

29. cosmittee by aepresentative Katz contr'ary to the wishes of the sponsor#

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30. himself. What the amendment dces was'apply...indicate that this Act

33. would not apply to mobile homes ip counties with populations exceeding

u 32. two mlllion inhabitants and Amendm'ent No. l which I offer strikes

. 33; those lines twenty-seven and twenty-eisbt. I would move for the

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l paaszozuG oEFIceR: (ssuhToR DouxEwAzo)3. .Is there further discussion? The question is shall Amendment4. .No. l be adopted. A1l those in favor indicate by saying Aye. ThoseS.

opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment is adopked. Are there6.

further amendments? 3rd reading. House Bill 757: Senator Bruce.7.

House Bill 765, Se/ator Savickas. Read the bill.8.

SECRETARY:9. House Bi11 765.10. (Secretary reads title of bi1l)ll. .3rd reading of' the bill.l2. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)13.. senator savickas.14. SENATOR SAVICKAS:

l5. . sl1 76sYes, Mr. President and members of the Senate. Senate BZ6* , y fcr maintenance of stete highleatrs. jast rcquires tha Etata ts pa:l7' : îclpalitles and it authorizesthat àre maintained by count es or munl8. g as to maintain high-the municlpalities and counties to use local unZ9- i I would appreciate a favorable

ways not under their jurisdict on.20. roll call.

21. Hoxxswaos)PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR22' h uestion is shall House Bill ,'Is there further discussion? T e q23' f vor vote Aye

. Those opposed No. The voting765 pass. Those in a

2 4 . 'i s op en. Have a l 1 vo t e d urho wi sh ? T ak e the r e co rd . O n that q ue s t ion

2 5 . 2 vo t ing p re s en t . Ho us e B i l lthe Ay e s a r e 5 5 , t h e Nay s a r e none .

2 6 - 1 c-5 h av in g r e c e i ve d a cc n s t i t u t i on a 1 ma j o r i ty i s d e c 1 a re d p a s s e d .', ::xà:k.'; ''-4zJutt:/t..@t#Ià(:tre#aej'''. lks/'k-/el'tiht.e miaà'rmtfrp' #>'-.zky>''::;%b'ç..:+'s.YA prehyéx-Aà'pznv.tsvpvqw?' oip.,.hùhqg+,- r/:fùxgkzlyx...' ' 'gou s e B x t 7 à :'

, : on ator ?7e avef-' Ae ad inne lnf l 1 . ' '' - .. '.'./!28. SECRETARY:

29. House Bi1l 768.'

30. (secretary reads title of bill).

31. 3rd readins of the bill.

32. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

33; senator Weaver.

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j SENATOR WEAVER:2. .Thank you, Mr. President. This bill does.just as the Calendar3. , ,states. It s what I refer to as @ newpaperman s double dipping bill4 . , .and I d appreciate a favorable roll call.5.


Senator Partee.7. .dENATOR PARTEE:8 . . ,Well, Senator Weaver knows that he and I are together most of

9. .the tine, but T rise ân opposition to this bill. The newspaperlO. people have been kept off of juries for years and years and years,1l- ' k w anything that has changed that should makè themand I don t no

12. : te amount of influence. They would,come back on. They exert an inord na

l3. in some instances, cause normal jurors to be appalled and upset be-14. : :at they mighk print After the deliberation. There's beencause o w

15. .a good reason for it. Certainly they are good citizens: but because

)6. ' .. of tilel.c welqlzu aldd ilzlluelzce , it occurs to me , that they should ract

17 . b serving on jurles. I know of no reason that have changed sincee

18 - h f irst exclusion came along. Exclusions included lawyers andt e

19 ' i nd f iremen and other people of that nature and newspaperpol cemen a

2n. a jaas chanqed that oughtpeople. Now, I know of nothing that shoul . . .

21. f :is 'bill and Ito Put them back on juries. And I d be opposed to t

22. dwould hope that this bill wpuld be defeate .

2 3. pRsslozxc ovr IcER: (scNAToR DONNEWALOI'

24. Is the re fur ther d ise us si on? se pator We ave r, yo u wish to c lose?

2 5. œhe question is sha 11 House Bill 7 68 pass . Those in f avor vo te iye.

26 . Tho se oppo sed No. The vo t ing is open. Have a11 those voted who wish?

.' ,- -- ''''k é c' :q4/1,- >' sxïtzç-ty4atlalz/psgols4ixvx. ir;y4wsxvsyrwav,: w,eys--ua.,)xc. -;exy. x..vp:ov.'w>.Nt..:t14,-. , a .u- .tsgtt#sïtr&1s. .' ' . Have a lz those vo te d who pzsha Take tùe. record. 6n Yiâ w ques Etcn the

28. A es are 4, Ehe Nays are 45. 2 votlng pres'eht. House B11l 768 not. Y

29- havinq received the constitutional majority is declared lost. House

30. Bill- -House Bill 777, senator Lucky Egan. Senator Latherow, for

g).. what purpose do you arise?

32. SENATO: LATHEROW:

33; Well, I'd.jusk like to explain my vote on that last bill.

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.1, . @ 'PRESIDING OFFICBR: (SENATUR DONNEWALD) .

2 .'. , Wefll let you do thaè at 4:15.: .'?a'' SENATOR LATHEROW:

4.Well, 1...1 Wanted you to all know that I contactpd Senator

5.Weaver and if he would have allowed the amendment to go on to make themI

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E .' all judges I would have voted for it # but I didn # t want them to be

7. .on the jury.

:. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

9. .The record will so sùow. Senator Egan. Read the bill.l0. SECRETARY

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ll. Senate Bill 777.

:2. (secretary reads title of bill)

l3' 3rd reading of the bill.

l4. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l5. senator Egan

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l7- vhank you, Mr. president and members of the senate. senate...

l8. House silz 777 requires the commission- . -the industrial--.the commerce19 '' commission to enter its decision of record within ninety days after20* the hearing on applicants for operation as a common or contract carrier.21' zt's very simple. Théy don't have tooo.they can now wait indefinitely.22 . Iaj

.s wouzd require that they do it kithin ninety days . I know of no'z23' ition

. It passed out of the committee unanimously, and I'd askoppos

24. for your favorable consideration.


26 . Is there f urther discussion? The question is shall House Bill

'r-ér-zw- -z?7. ,twt/xy.4k<-j-* .a' . '' 6 ) .; :>?rus-.bvzs?' A.x%' t: , < :,& .,,pr.x. %?e' t %6v r$re%.;4'!a... ?k '4e ' <xs tu'w . gjspk- ',' ,-.ti..y gg- .t,4. .';e,- St r.wlx.-jlvk4.p '.'. . #.l.*YaiC.. 1:o e lû làGyr . o#-e it6.. #hole ùppo; ,. ottgv s .28. open . Have all those voted who wish? Take the record. On that

29 i the Aye's are 51 the Nays ace none. 3 Votinq Present. House. . quest on. #'

30 '. Bill 777 having received the constitutional majority is declared.passed.

31.. House Bill 789, Senator Harris. House Bill 809, Senator Vadalabene.

32. Read the bill.

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3rd reading of the bill.I .! 4 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SEMATOR DONNEWALD)

s Senator Vadalabene.

6 SENATOR VADALABENE:

7 Yes, thank you, Mr. President and members of the Senate. House

a Bill 809 as amended was the amendmen: that was just adopted a little

earlier. It was worked out by the Republican and Democratic Staff,9.

I yn which provides that the Department of Transportation authority toj '

lease right of ways including airspace, over: under and travel ways.I ll.I . 't , Such leases are in existence at the present time princiably underl

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I qverhead structures of the Chicago Expressways and I wpuld appreciatel3.

a favorable vote.14.( -

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)î5. . .

Is there further discussion? Eenator Harris.l6. .

SENATOR HARRIS;l7.

1'11 yield to Senator Pawell.l8.

' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)k9. .

Senator Fawell.20.

SENATOR FAWELL:2l.

;Well, I...it seems to me that this-is-rather a new policy and zt22. .

. . .noW# I stand to be educated and I wasn't in the cDmmittee23.

was discussed, but the idea that the department can utilize its land,

as I gather it, to really go into the leasing for a commercial enter-

prises is something that my inclinationf Senator Vadalabene, would be

. #() ke qygin&t it a Th,.: dypert-yynt is qz-ay.u ppsed !Jo. haye. th# qiglt , of .' . Wsl'?z/i# 4)i.:#.#i.)A$* t*ke.zt.q;#p.f!i;*v.x#' .t:A. 4 . . t vlkkpj.qwwt#nr.xl;#j<k';r, ?y,wq.t.A:;Jm .tè.e=tq:+N>4vx$k$'?.A>. (>';l?t>1!tt.,::4>'x> .

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course, by eminent domain in otherwise to purchase and acquire land28.' for highway purposes and if they do realize that anytime they may

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over purchase or purchase some' very aftractive land and then be able3Q.

to go into some atkractive leases, I think the State.of Illinois could3 ) . . . . ' '

be in big business very, very soon. Npwf.if I'm misconstruing this32. . '

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bill please so advise me. But, a's look at Ehe bill in a very33:

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1 cursory reading I don t believe. I could support leqiàlation like* '- . '*' ''' ''' .

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4 Is there...senator Harris.

5 SENATOR HARRIS:

6 Well, Mr. President, I juàt thlnk that the Senate ought to be

7 unmistakably clear about the major impllcati'ons involved in this

g piece of legislation. The fact is and Senator Fawell has stated it,. / .

9 that municipalities in the state and counties townships have been

; authorized ko alquire for highway purposes land for that kind'of1 .

utilization . Nowz this broadens it tremendously and permits the leasingl l .

of air rights f or other than àighway purposes . It ' s just a majorl 2 .departure. I don ' t believe that we should take this step at alll 3

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'4 without a lot more care being given ko it than is . . .than has been1 .

given it seems to me, and we are, in fact, embarking upon somethingl5.

that is quite dramatically different from khe traditional use of landl6.

. for highway pûrposes. I just am not ready to take that kind of al7. .

major step and think this bill ought to be rejected summarily.l8.


Senator Howard Mohr.20.

SENATOR MOHR:2l.

Yes, Mr. President. I think you boil...it boils down to the22.

fack that the Department of Transportation would be in the real23.

estate business wikh this bill. If y9u suppcrt that concept or idea,2l. .

why you support the bill. I don't happen to share that feelin: and25.

I would urge my colleagues on this side to vote No on this bill.26.

. ,.-.ja;y,>#.:xysQw&z.xwSJ#ING OVFTCER! (#;N#TQR PONNKFALP). . 4 jy);:s:ANu.ap..x.jg.j...,s.jy.yxyr. .. <1:*l?>s<',''r.'%k4%%>q1>B.kè>5> A' *X?'h%e.ût4'>:%!VT.##9. >t.'.<7#' fk./4#Yt/ Is there further discussion? Senakor Nimrod. Just a moment,

28. 4Senator. Now, we werè verj'. very nic: and quiet for a long time.

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Let'y return td that deqreé of ùuietness. Senator Nimrode proceed.30.

SENATOR NIMROD::) .1. .

wThank vou, Mr. Presidente the only other thing I would like to3 2 - ' - '* è c>

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o' int ôut to, this deviates from state folicy and the f act thatp33k

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l . .(( '* ' G neral Serviceg was set up to handle'leases and these kinds of things#j t) . . . ,' ..

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g * another field. And I think that I agtee with Senator Harris and

4. 'I Senator Mohr. I just think that we should give this some further

s . * hought and look into its ramif ications , and I would urge a no vote .t

6* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWMD) ' .

7 ,* Is there furtherve.senakor Bell.:.

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es, thank you, Mr . President, it come to my attention that .1o. there is a possibility that House Bill :09 has something to do withll. i t of the chicago skyway nonds, and I'd like the sponsorthe ret remen

. 41 'Z2. ill to address himself to that answer.of that b

l3. '/RESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

l4. Senator Vadalabenez do you wish to respond? Or could you hearl5. tue question

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l6. ' ' 'SENATOR VADALABENE:

17- I think his question was, does this have anythlng to do with the

1B- tirement of the skyway Bonds. .re

l9. pusszolxc oppzcsR: (saxAToR ooxuswaso) .20* That was the question.2k .' SENATOR VADALABFNE: .

22 '* It has nothing to do with the retirement of the Skyway Bonds. '23* PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWRL.D)24. ' h to czcse the debate,Is there further discussion? Do you wis

25 .' senator vadalabene.

26. ssxhToa VADALAB:NE:

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28. say a few words , that the public is protected against improper

29 f leased right of ways through rigid federal requirements,. * Msaîe O

30. restrictinq the usage of right of uays of federally aided highways

31. wlth the Department of Transportation, which follbws it to'the letter.

32. And khey feel that the Skate and Federal policies adequately protect

33; the public's investment and the highway facilities. And this bill is

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1 . . ' : ' . ' . necessary to give the Department ofzoransportation authority to

, ' 7 ' . ' ';...s lease highway righE of ways that have: been. approved, and I would1'. . . :!k . .j éppreciake a favorable vote. ' .

A ' ' . '% . .PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

- The question is shall House nill 8o9 pasg-' Those in favor vote

I 6. .Aye. Those opposed No. The voting is open. Have all those votedI7 . . . who wish? Have all those voted who wish? One more time. Have al1

g .' those voted who wish? Take the' record . On that question the Ayesi q

.I -* - 25 2 voting prese'nt. senator vadalabene, doare 22, the Nays are .

10. you wish to postpone consideration? considerakion is postponed.ll. ' .. House Bill 826, Senakor Fawell. Read khe bill.

l2.I SECRETARY: .

13 '* House Bill 826.14. (Secretary reads title of bill)

. ' .15 ' '' 3rd readinq of the bill. . .

16 . 6svzckia : tsl:uAToR ooxuswzxzwoi. spmrsroluc . ,

17 . 'senator Pawell.. l8. ' . 'SENATOR FAWEEL:19. Mr. President and members of khe Senate. This bill has been20.

. amended so that it is no longer a mandatory requirement for the lender' 71*.œ' to compute and to give to the borrowez the amount of interest that

i22. 'borrower has paid over the year, but as Senator Carrpll pointed out

23. 'a short time ago when he affixed the amendment on this bill it isl24' now descretionary with the borrower who can make a request and then

25. the zender wlzl give to the borrower the agount of interest that has26 . been paid by the borrower over the year

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, very valuabfe' znf ormation , of 'yourse , tfo have . ' 1 'tMa.nk a.n the anfendld' 29. form, now, there is no opposition to the bill, and I'd appreèiate a

29. ravorable roll call. .

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30. PaEslozxc oFFIcER: (sEuATo'R ooNNswALD)

3 ) ' ' ' ... Senatqr Merritt.

32. SENATOR MEPRITT: . ' . '

' 33; Well, Mr. President and Dembers of the Senate. I vould comiend

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Senator Carroll for having put on khat amendment, but with thak -2 ' . ' ' . . .amendment there is absolutely, no use for the bill, because I know1.

.1. of .no one today that ask any retail outlet for this information thakI

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' doesn ' t get it. And so, therefore, the bill t I feel, is totally

s .* unnecessary in its present f orma

6.PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

7 'I * Is there further discussion? Senator Graham.

n . , -' SENATOR GRAHAM: ' ' .

9.I think that Senator Merritt has pretty much explained Dy posikion

l0.on this bill. The amendment made a bad bill a little more livable,

11. but I agree that the retail industry in the State of Illinois and1:* th

e consumer could get along very well without it.13.. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

' j. 4 . Senator Egan. '

l.5 . SENATOR EGAN: '

à6. 'Senator Fawell. would you answer a guestion for me, please? .1 7 '. ,.It s my understanding that this is mandatory for a1l retail sale18.

.outlets. Is that correck? '19' PRESIDING OFFICER

: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)20' s tor Fawell. 'ena2l. . .SENATOR FAWELL: .

22. The blll has been amended, Senator, so that it is only upon23- : the consumer, upon request of the consumer that the lenderrequest o24. ive to the consumer the amount of interest that he has paid overdo g

25' the years. That must be siven to him. And I think, really, it is

26' innoeuous , nou, .a consumer bill as one can get to it. If we can't

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30. sExlkoR scnx:

31. well, thatm- that answers my question. I would definitely suppork

32. the bill. I think it's a' good idea and 1... V .:

33: PRSSIDING oFFlcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

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3. 1, too, Mr. Presldent and members of the senate, rise to support

4. tbis legislation and, of èourse, I aqree with.the amendment that I

5. put ons and I think i'n iEs amended version what wedve done is we've

6. said - 1et khe retailer, whomever, compute the interest that he's charg-

7. ing to the consumer every year and if the consumer wants to know how

8. much interest he is charging 1et hâm have the opportunity to re-

9. quest it and 1et the retailer provide it, so that he may deduct it

l0. for his income tax purposes, or deaide that maybe there is a better nethod

l1. of purchasing or a better method of financing. I would hope that the

l2. members of the Body would support the legislation.

l3. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) '

l4. Is there further debate? Senator Fawell may close the debate.

15. SENATOR FAWELL:

l6. Yes. Well? just.wojust briefly, as it is the only chasge that we' l7. have is that in these instances the lender if obligated to give this

l8. type of information to the borrower. 1...1 can't see anything wrong

l9. With it, ncw, and I would repeat it is a cbnsumer bill that 1...1

2o. think is something that long aga we should have made it clear that

21. any lender ypon request would and should and I think probably ninety

22. percent do and will, but for the ten percent Ehat might not, this merdly

23. says - look Mive this type of. information to the man who has borrowed

24. from you so that he might utilize it for Income Tax purposeà. And

25. 1'd appreciate a favorable rcll call.

26. PRESIDING OEPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

27. The questioh is shall House Bill 826 passt Those in favor vote. ' 2 $$ .1qt.,t.s;/ y,. V#$. bvjkkh. ': ' ' .z- 'xga,' ty'. s' tqkktwvqsktgqsyx. >i.:ra'spr);4é..;)-..j;vié#.y.fa..r.?j.k wpssyqq().kq'. Iu$-:'4.;%-<.wv##pJv%!;y>+o<. j.,

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d s29t Take the recor . On that question the Ayes are 4l, the Nays are .

H use Bill 826 ha'ving received the constitutional majority is declared30. ' O

31. passed. House Bill 827, Senator Fawell. Read the bill.

32. SECRETARY: . . .

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3. ' .1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) .

1 ' . . .* ' . . .Senator Fawell.5.

,SENATOR FAIVELL :6*

Mr . President , this is the same as 826 except it' af f ects Ehe. 7 . .'

Interest Act. 826 af f ected the Retail Sales Installment Actz andg: . I .I d appreciate Ehe same roll call. . .


10 '* Is there further discussion? Senator Graham. Just a moment,1l. Senator. May... .

12. SENATOR GRAHAM:

l3. 'Since my...

. l4. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)15. '

. . .we have order, please. Proceed.

l6. uSENATOR GRAEAM:ï7w '

. w . .influential plea on the last bill, was so heq.pful in its

l8' i tlme and indicate I'm opposed to this.defeat, I make the same on th s

j9* one too. '

20. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR'DONNEWALD)21* h r discussion? senator Berning

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23. 'Just one question. Is this information of any significance to

24. : dit on income,the borrower insofar as reporting charqes or or cre

25. i re?cr what purpose does th s serv

26. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

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28 . sEà/krl'ol:t F'AWELL: '

29 ' f ses By having. ' The main reason, Senator, is orqnaome Tax purpo .

30. this. in writing often times its difficult for the borrower to be

31. able to be sure as to the amount of interest he has paid over the

32. years tile. Especially in revolving charge accounts. So, he has. ' . ' *

33J this information. It's supplied to him in writing, and he has it

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ilable for his Income Tax returns.. That's cne of the'mostava1. .

salient parts of the. bill, yes. ''''2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)3. .

Senator Berning.4.

SENATOR BERNING:5.

Is not this information furnished on a monthly basis now?6.

l PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD). 7. .

SenatUr Fawell.8.

SENATOR FAWELL:9.

Some...some lenders undoubtedly do. I think most of you: banks10.

will give this information. In fact, the banks were not in opposinq11.

it whatioever. A noted bankerz Senator Ozinga, voted for this billl2.

in committee, and pointed out it was somathing the banks do want to 'l3.

live up to anyway.14.


Is there further discussion? Senator Fawell, do you wish a rolli6.

call? The question is shall House Bill 827 pass. Those in favor vote17'.

Aye. Those opposed No. The voting is open. Have all those voted18.

who wish? Take the record. On that question the Ayes are 40, thel9. .

Nays are 6. 2 Voting Present. House Bill 827 having received the2O. .

constitutional majority is declared passed. House 3ill 829, Senator21. .

Don A. Moore - Chew. Read the bill.22. .

iSECRETARY:23

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House Bill 829.24.

(Secretary reads title of bill)25.

3rd reading of the bill.26.

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j' senator Don Moore.28. i

. sENATon >:ooas:29.

Thank you/ Mr. 'Presidenk and members of the Senate. We discussed3o. .

this bil'l at quite some length last week. Now, it was dicovered.that3 ). .

there èas an error in the mill, and quiet Soper will you.#' . .32. 'PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

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1 ' ... Senator Soper, youç neighbor. requests that you maintain some

2 mblence of o'rder.. Se

3. SENATOR MOORE:

4. And the bill yas amended. The front piate will have the General5 Asseébly Senate official plate, the back plake w'ill have the district

6. nnmher for the Senate, the seniority nllmher for the Hoùsek and will

y. be markpd House and Senate the same as they are now . I request a

8* favorable roll call.


l0. Is thereoo.senator Howard Mohr.

ll. SENATOR MOHR:

12. I wish Senator Chew should be on the Flocr, Mr. President, when

l3. this bill is called.

l4. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

l5. It is very difficult for him to be on the Floor.

l6. SENATOR MOHR:

17. Well, I would say that there should be some opposition to this.

l8. They put numhers on the front license plates of every other license

l9. on thee.oevery other vehicle, or truék that's required to have a plate

20. àhd I see no reason why the General Assembly should have a front

2l. special plate. The numher on the front of the plate is put therel

22. for a purpose. They.stated previously on this bill that if they took

23. it off the back they probably get an overwhelming amount of suppoft.

24. In my opinion for police reasons and öther reasons, why I wculd say

25. that the numbers should appear on the front plate as well as the 'back,

26. and I would oppose qthis bill..

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28. there further...senator Graham.

z9. SENATOR GRAHAM:

3o. If some of the things they say are true about the Legislators,

3). it's hard enough to find out who they are and khere they're going ,

' k l in tkis I'm glad to32 .anvway and with the èxpense involved pos/ b y

I 3a; join with the Mayor of Forest Park in opposition of this bill.

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1. 'PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWAL.D) .2.

Is there further disèussion? Senator Knuppel.

SENATOR KNUPPEL:4 . ,If theya..if we drive as fast as they say we do they 11 never5. read that front plate anyway. Al1 we need is Ehe back plate.6. P

RESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)7. I

s there further discussion? Senator'Moore, do you wish to closea. the debate?9. SENATOR Moo

ns:

lo. The only thing I want to say, Mr. President and members of thell. senate

. Apparently the House of Representatives feels very stronglyl2- d this matter. It was thelr bill, it wasn't mine. I see notowar sl3' harm in vhis. We have plates without numbers on it now that was14- brought out by senator chew at the.last meeting. I think the Minority15. der has one and the Aresident of the Senqte and Spbaker has oneLpa .

l6- ithort any' mumbers on #t, and they want distinctive front ls.cense platesw17 . s surely hav

e no objection, and I'd request a favorable roll call.18 . pu szozxG oF'FIcER: (sENAToR DoxNswazao)l9. 'The queseion is shall House nill 829 pass. A1l in f avor vote20 . x e

. Al1 those opposed No. The voting is open. Have a11 thosey21. ' ted who wish? Have all those voted who wish? Take the fecord.vo22. on that question the Ayes

-- consideration Postponed requested by ,.

23 . senator Moore . consideration is postponed . House Bill 833, Senator

24 . xnuppel. Read the bill .

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29. PRESIDISG OPFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALb)


31. SENATOR KNUPPEL:

32. kouse Bill 833 is designed to provida the compensation to be' 33; paid attorneys Who represent indigent defendants

. What it does it

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. -1. . provides for thirty dollars per hour on this With a makimum of two

2 ' ' ' ' '* '. hundred and fifty dollars for a felony up .to two huhdred and fifty e.

3. ' dollars for...from two hundred and fifty dollars to a thousand dollars

1. for a felony and brings this in line kitho .

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5. ' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNXWALD) .'

6 J st a moment, Senator. ehe noise level is quite high. Could . tl

7. we please have order and the member: be in their seats. Proceed.

8. SENATOR RNUPPEL: .

9. It changes the limit from two hundred and fifty to one thousand

l0. dollars for felony cases and limits the amount to one hundred'and

ll. fifty dollars for misdemeanor cases. Now, the compensation could run

l2. from twenty to thirty dollars an hour present prevailing legal charges

l3. are roughly forty to fifty dollars per hour. But, it does insure '

14. something in the sense that if...if the court appoints a practicing

l5. lawyer of experience and ability that he would be willing to accept

l6. it rakher than to have to have indigent defendants generally repre-

17: sented by...b# people who have a lack of experience. This gives18. the indigent defendant the same type of legal representation that

l9. exists for those who are wealthy enough to purchase it.

20. PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR.DONNEWALD) '

21. Senator Bell.

22. SENATOR BELL:!

23. Yes, thank you, Mr. President. I'd like to ask' Senator Knuppel

iOn Or two. '24, a QLOSE

.25. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALbI

26. He indicates he will yield. Senator.

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28 ? Yes, Senator Knuppel... '* 1.

z9, PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

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. . .Thank you, Mr. Preéident. Senator Knuppel, what is the pre-32. . .

vailiné rate, now, that's paid? ' .33;

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The prevailing rate for a exp'eriencek; àttorney would be approximate4 '

ly fi'fty dollars per hour. '5.

K PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

r senasor sezz.7. .SENATOR BELL:8

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9 I'm sorry. That's not what I meant. I meant in terms of fitting

into this particular type of legislation. What is being paid right10. .

now?ll. ,.

' ' SENATOR KNUPPEL:12.

. Well, there is no...there is no rate. IE says that the courtl3.

will affix a reasonable fee for the services at the present time.l4. .

This #uts a minimu/ of twenty and a maximum of thirty on those kindl5.

of services. . .l6.

PRESIDING OPFICERZ (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l7.

Senator Bell.l8.

SENATOR BELL: .l9.

Yes, just one final question. Who pays.v.who pays for this, the20.

county or the State?21.

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PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) '22. '

Senator Knuppel.23. .

SENATOR RNUPPEL: .. 24.

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SENATOR BELL:29. ' .

Well, one...one final point. Thank you, Mr. President. Senator30.

Knuppelr myo.lyou mqy be right. There play be some reeent changes on

this, but from my previous experiencè on.the county boérd and that32. .

was through 1971, the counties had to pay.e.have to pay these particular33: .

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.costs, and the reason I riée up in referencé to this bill is because2 .' ' * I know up in Will County w'elve had...wepve had some problems along

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- *' this line and my county is very concerned àbout getting these additional4 . '' *

costs that we mandate on a state level passed down to them on the county5.

f .level, and, darn it, they re just kind of fed up with this kind of 6. thi

ng and I can sympathize with what you're trying to do'here. But,7 . . j ,i just don t think we ought to on the part of the State pass on more8. of these kind of expenses to the county. Thank yöu.

' 9. . .PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

l0. senator Glass.

11. . -SENATOR GLASS: .

l2' tion of the sponsor, Mr. President.A quesl3. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

' 14* He indicates he'll yield. .15 ' '' SENATOR GLASS: .

16 . sepatot xnuppel, I thsnk vhis is e. cost to the countr. but I

l7. do have a further question. Am I correct that if an indigent Qefendantl8. does not wish to be represented by the public defender he may request

l9. ' .outside counsel?

20* PRESIDING oErIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

2l. senator Knuppel.22 ' . .* SENATOR KNUPPEL: :

23. well, most of your counties downstate don ' t even have the public24 . def ender

, I mean as such. And, of course , you come f rom an area where

25 ' h have a public def ender. It ' s my understanding, yes , if he hast ey

26 . ood reasons not to be represented by the public defender in your area

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- - the attorney whom repre' sented him would be paid. But,

29 f the counties downstate that I 'come from don't have a public. most .o

; ' '3 . defender. '

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31. PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) '

32. senator Glass. ' .

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' Well, I know my concern with this bill is that where the public2 .-. ' . k -'>. ' defenders do exist ft seems to me you would have a'lot of requests r.

3. ': for outside counsel, which would greatly increase the cost to the

j '* taxpaye'r and in the other counties wh'#'not let the lawyers defend - . . . ' . #'

5. , . , seindigents as part of their duty. I don t know .. .l don t know that t6 .* compensation should be increased and 1'm afraid they ?ay of thi cost

1. ihat this could involve in future yéars. '

a .' PRESIDING OFTICER: (SENATOR DONNEWM D)

9. senator Egan.1c. .SENATOR scAx:1l* p ident, thank you, but the need for the peopleWell, yes, Mr. resZ2' ilable and the morey to spend on them is a result 6f the Supremeava

1) '.' Court imposition of the need for counsel in, especially, felony cases.:4. And either we're going to have a massive public defender program in

l5. ' 'Illinpis, or we re going to allow tha court itself that actually hearsi6' the testimony in the evidence to make a dekermination on indigente,17 '' and having made that determination on the ability of the public defen-1:. der vis- a-vis any antagonism by the defendent himself and if we don't19 - lzow eor private counsel I think it' s going to cost us a lot morea

20 ' in the end. But, :) do .have a question, senator xnuppel. I havemoney2l- two bilts that are similar to this to amend the code of criminal Pro-22. dure

. I'm wondering if thls does the same thins, and if there's...ce(23

. and z.-..what does yours amend? '

24 .' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)25 .' senator Rnuppel

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26. SENATOR xNuPpEL:

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28. 1 ,/tderstand the question. would you'repeat it?

29. pnsszozxc oFFIcER: (kEUATOR DONNEI'CALD)

30 ' ' tor Knuppel is one of our more. . Just a moment. Now, members, Sena

31. quiet members. would we please reciprocate.

32. SENATOR EGAN: . .

33; Mlne afe 1572 and 1573. They amend the Code of Criminal Procedure,

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and Ifm just curious if'yours does the sate Ehing. I don't have a1.

cdpy of the btll in'front of me: and which seciions doqs it amend.2. . .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)3. .

Senator Knuppel.4.

SENAROR KNUPPEL:5.

: 6 It amends the Code of Criminal Procedures, sections 113-3. Now,

that's what it amends. donîk know if thatfs what your bills do, or

not. But, I do agree with your commënts, particularly in downstate8.

Illinois.9.


Senator Soper.ll.

SENATOR SOPER:l2.

Thank you, Mr. Presidenk. think I was heard. just wanted 'l3.

to alert the Senate that I was about to reciprocate for Senator Knuppel.

But, we had this in committee. It came to my mind and we spoke about15.

this thing. think the court does a very good job in small communitiesl6. . .

' ' The court can decide what the...what the lawyer's time is worth and17.

if ik happens they usually have a list and they go down on the listl8.' and they say - John, or Joe it's your tuèn and think they give al9

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defendfnt a fair...a fair trial and they give them a good atkorney.20.But, to put 'a thousand dollars on this thing and then..oand khen...21.

and then it would be all the judges' cousins that would get Ehe job,22.

feelr and think that just 1et the court decide what the fees are23.

in each of these cases without puttin'g a mandatory thousand dollars24. .

on a felony caser and I think when we' spent in the public defenders,

2 6 .o f h i s app e q l s ' and I t.h i nk i t c o s t C o p k C o'a n ty abo u t a l i t > l e ov e r a

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' body that was involved in his kind of a felony. Well, I think that29.

we really should allow the judges to Make the determination. I thlnk30.

the small counties don't have to have this imposikion put on their3 ). . '

county treasury.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONMEWALD)33;34. Senator Nètsch.

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' . ' Mr. President, I thi'nk there still is probably some confusion in

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. the minds of a lot of us abouk the possible impact of this apart from

* the fee levels themselves. And I'm göing to try to restate as best I. 1 - '

5. understand it and then if I am incorrect I wish the sronsor of the bill,6 '* or someone else would.o.would correct mc. In Cook County. the statute

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I1. if there is no public defender in the county, orreads, incidentallyB' if the defendant requests counsel other than the public defender, the

* t may appoint as counsel a licensed Attorney at Law in this State lcour j

10* t that in a county having a population of one million or more.theexcep

X1' blic defender shall be appointed as counsel in all misdemeanor'cases ;Pu1z . '* where the defendantsis indigent and desires counsel, and then it goes

l3* on to have one exception there in case of multiple defendants. Now,

14. * as I read that, in Ccok Counky in a1l misdeneanor cases the Cefendant I' jl5

. must be represented by the public defender. Because, felonies are not :

16 . s ecifkically. sentioned here,l gather that the judge still has somep .

Z7* discretion with respect to felony cases, as to whether he will compel18' * the aofendant to be represented bv the public défender, or permit out-

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jl9. side côunsel to be appointed. we were told in committee that cook

20. h total of about on'e hundred cases per year where outsidecounty as a

2l. counsel is appointed. I must admit that came as a surprise to me. z

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'-'' 22. tho'ught it would have been a much higher number than that, but that is 1

23. ' s k hat we're talking aboutthe fiqure that we were given. so, that I th n w

24. is the. - -in felony cases only in Cook County and there the judge still i

25' has some discrekion as to whethar or not he will appoint outside counsel

26' when the defendant says that he does not want the public defender.

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. PRESIDING oEFIcER: (SBNATOR.DONNBWALDI' '. . i

. I' 31. senator Knuppel. . . '

132. SENATOR KNUPPEL:

33: That's absolutely my understanding that in Cook County it's as

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1 ' ' ' '* PRESIDING' OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD) ' ' ' . .2 '* Is there f urther debate? Senator Knuppel may elase the deb'ate . ' '.''

(j ' r.* ':o you wish a roll éall?4 . .*

SENATOR KNUPPEL: ' . . '''5 ' .* No, I would like to just say two or three thinqs.6 '*

PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR DONNEWALD) , .7. .Proceed. ' .

8 .- SENATOR KNDPPEL : ,

9- ' : the case that senator soper referredz. . .I didn t hear the name o

l0. v .to, but I assume it was the Speck Case. I don t know.

l1. 'PRESIDING OFFICER; (SENATOR DONNEWALD)1, . . ' . ..* Ik WaS. '

13. .SENATOR KNUPPEL:

14.. But, in that particular case ik wds an entirely different situation.15 '* As I understand, they did ûse the Public defender whom was Getty: and

16. the cost of that is something that has ncthing.o.no relationship what-

' . soever to this statute. And I.m.they do do it in the manner in Which

18 ' .* Senator Soper indicated downstate. They keep a list, but the answer is1 ; --

' * that everybody...it always ends up that if you're a defendant and you're

po '' indigent, you get the youngest lawyer practicing in that community. Ial .

' ' know of very, very few cases that indigent defendant. There is always

a2 ' '* some excuse thak the experïenced lawyer has to pass it up, and the

23. judge puts ft on the youngest lawyer, the most inexperienced lawyer in

24. j wisthe community. L'7ow, ultimately, something s going to be done about t25 '

' constitutionally and otherwise. Fecondly, in downstate we don't keep

26' a Public defender and this statute doesn't really apply to those counties

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' that have public defepders. . Oh, it can if a guy petitions, but I think' .iCtï !t#)f$, .û.;;'.è1i(y?l$y$hlr5Jat!ifj;7..f+J CjF i ? llrjjkjhuf. -J'-,jr$2gy $!:',klkt:ii/-.?r.2r'; (,-,.4119jj.! ';kh)jt!!.iùst. :r1g;t:,,fât):;f:r! zjrfl.kjseulpys:klktpsdrrTwt-v-érj,'i ;;;;. lh.;re,i7 :.;('a:j:e!... .:vKuk7:Is'! Lt'w' -;$;.r:.j:;Jl4ii;;ë'y -.qr Jy'r-t !' k .-.f ,,;,k. ï1;y(y-!,;.. :iulltklri;. .3t.' : ,,,y.'J,<< :':. %. :. @ .. ., ilj.kz:qr-rly! )nJ '

' gener/'lly he will accept, as he dces in Cook County, the public defender.l . .

29. ' îThere were only a few cases where they didn t. But for those smaller

30. s this insures 'adequate compensation and by doins so increâsescount es

31.. and enhances the chances of an indigent defèndant qetting a competent

32. . hat this is a necessary' attornqy. And I submit, Gentlemen, that...t

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* cost lf we're nok going to have an overburdened publïc dè/ender program

. a4 ln every downsvate county and in'other places. That this is good

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. . legislation and it ought to receive .d favoçable roll call. Thank you.. . 2 ' .

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* PRESIDING OFPICER : (SEXATOR DONNEWALD) .

' .2 3 .* The question is shall House Bill'833 pass. Those in favor vote

4. 'I Aye. ' Those opposed No. The voting is open. Have all those voted Whoj . ' .5. .wish? Take the record. On that questiop the Ayes are 42, the Nays ére

6. .l2. l Voting Present. House Bill 833 having received a constitutional

7 '' majority is declared passed . House Bill 854 , Senator Morris . Senator

g .' Morris , Read the bill. 'g '* SECRETARY: * '

l0. .House 3i11 854.

ll. ' -(secretary reads title of bill)12' i f :he bill. .3rd read ng o

Z3' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)11. : .Se

nator Morr s.

l5. ' ' . .SEtVATOR MORRIS::6. '' àhis is a bill thac follows up on the bills that Senator Vadalabene

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17* guided through this Chamber a year.ago on bicycle traiks! It gives the

' l8. ' 'auEhority to .the Department of Transportation to begin purchasing theZ9* i ht of way as they do highway work in the State of Illinois. Thcrer g2B.. . was one objection filed by Senator Mitchler and that has been corrected2l. throush amendment, and that was through the funds thak would be used

22' ' ko purchase this. Welve taken ou: that they could use any funds avail- '' 23. ' ,able and left it up to the DOT funds. That was Sçnator Mitchler s ob-24' ion

. Itls a good bill. It's really just to allow them to beginject25. ' 'purchasing right of way if

, in fact, they have the money. And I d

26 . appreciate a f avorable roll call .

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- ' . PXBSIDIN: oFFIcER: (SENATOR DéHNEWXLD) .

' 2: ' ' '' Is there further discussion or debate? The question is shall

29. House Bill 854 pass. Those in favor vote Aye. Those opposed No. The

30. ting is open. Have a1l tho'se voted who wish? Take the record . Onvo .

31. that question the Ayes are 47, the Ngys are 3. House Bill 854 having

32. rpceived a constitutional majority is deelared passed. House Bill 856,

32J senator Knuppel. Read the bill.

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1. SECRETARY: .

2. House Bill 856.

3. (Seçretary reads title of bill) .

1. 3rd yeading of the bill.


6. Senator Knuppel.

7. SENATOR XNUPPEL:

8. All this bill does is statutcrly implement the provisions of

9. section three of Article four of the Constitution, which provides that

l0. in elections for representatives including those for nominations. Each

ll. elector may cast three votes for one candidate, or distribute. them

l2. equally among no more R-han three candidates. This is merely a legis-

13.. lative implementation of that constitutional mandate. There are some

14. problems about it and I've dealt with thesezboth with...talked about

l5. them b0th wikh Senator Roci and With Senator Nimrod and I've asked if

l6. there was any way that the problem could be cured, but there seems tq

17*. be no way that the problem can be fixed because I've been willing to. #

18. accept an amendment if one could be made. But, what it does is conforp

l9. the statutory language to the constitutional provision.


2l. Senator Nimrod.

22. SENATOR NIMROD: .

2 3 . Ye s , Mr . P r e s ide n t . s ena tor Knuppe l wa s co rre c t . I j us t want

2 4 . to ca 1 1 a t t en t i o n to o n e th i ng th a t the re ' s a pr o$l em $,71 th th i s . .The

2 5 . pr ob 1 em i s ve ry s inlp l e an d th a t i s th a t th e r e ' s a p o s s i b i l i ty and I 've

2 6 a 1 r e ady d r a f t e d a 1 e t te r t o g o t o th e s t a te Bo a rd o f E 1 e c t i on . The re

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aq some elections in the future. And I did check with Stanley Kusoer,* A' ,

the County Clerk because we do it cn a three basis, a three box basis,30. '

and I just call our attention to it that this could be a questionable3 ). .thing for the next election. And I'm asking the State Board of Elections32

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to rule on this, because there still exist the possibility that under33;

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one vote there is no way that the judges of election cLn know that3 '* person intended ik to be one vote, one' and a half, or three votes, and1

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,I think that what xe re doing is mandating that a person s ballot, total5. ' '

nllmher of votes be used, and there's no question about that whole Ehing.6. So# I vill send that copy of the letter to the State Board of Elections,7. b

ut this. bill cannot affect or change ityas Senator Knuppel has said.

* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWM D) . '9. Senator Philip. .

. l0. .SENATOR PHILIP: .11 '*

Will the sponsor yield for a question? ..' 12 '* PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l3. . .He indicates he will.14. .SENATOR PHILIP

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lq'*' What happens under your blll when a person would vote straïght

l6. ' .Republican then go over to thè Democratic side and put an X in say Repre-l7. jsentative Redmond s box. HoW would you score it?l8. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l9. . .Senator Knuppel.20. SENATOR KNUPPEL

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2l- , lways understood that when you do this'you're castingwell, I ve a22. , . 'three for the person you ve marked for. ' '

23. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD).24. .senator Philip

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25. SENATOR pHzLIP:

26. Is that the way your bill stqnds right now? Well, 1et me...let

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28. in many, many.elections, and what the intent of that voter is is to

29. cast a vote for each one of those Republieans and one vote for the

30. Democrat. Now, if you have'n't straightened that outzl don't see any

31. reason for your billk ' '

32. PRESIDING oFFIcER: (bENATOR DONNEWALD) '

33; senator Knuppel.

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. It isn't a question of my bill it's q question of the ballot ' ''''2 . /' a.-

1 ' as Senator Nimrod 'has said. My bill corresponds to the Constitution.

That's the way if you had an election 'contest it would have to be' '. 4. .

anyway. Now, as...as faro..used to be under the old 1aw if you wanted5.

I 6 to vote two for and one for another one you could. All this says is

that you can vote three for one, one and a hélf for each, or you can7.

vote one for' each, but you. can't vote one and two. Now, how the ballot's8

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made up and What the instructions are from the Board of Elections, is9.

entirely up to them. All this does is implement the constitutional10.

language.1l.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l2.

Is there further discussion? The question is..vsenator Knuppel, '13. .

. j4 do you wish to close the debate? Or do you Want a roll call?

SENATOR KNUPPEL:1.5. .

I don't see any reason to argue it further. All it does and ifl6.

. somebody has a'quarrel with the Ccmstitution they ought to introduce17

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a resolution to amend thq constitution. That's al1 it does.18. .

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l9. .

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The question is shall Hpuse Bill 856 pass. Those in favor will.20.vote Aye. Those opposed No. The voting is open. Have al1 those voted2 l

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who wish? Take the record. On that queskion Ehe Ayes are 45: the Nays22. .

:are 3. l Voting Present. House Bill 856 having received a constitutiona23

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majority is declared passed. House Bill 859, Senator Carroll. Read24. .

the bill.25. .

SECRETARY: '26.

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3rd reading of the bill.29 .

. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)30. '

Senator Carroll.3 ). . '

. SENATOR CARROLL:32. ' '

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 859 is a way of stabilizing33;

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if they're waving for any particular purpose.3. .PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)4 ' ..' They want attqntion af ter you 're f inished I think. . .s . .* SENATOR CARROLL :6. Thank you, Mr. President.7. .


. ..with your preliminary remarks, Senator.9. SENATOR CARROLL

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10. What this bill does is that if someone is eligible under thell* circuit Breaker meaning they have ten thousand of income or less then* .

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their taxes will be stabilized at its present uollar value, and any

13. . 'future increases in the real estate taxes the burden will be borne by

l4' i1l replace lost units. . vunits of the Government'sthe state. It w

l5' lost revenue. what.the net effect of this will actually do, howeverz

16 . ition to stablllzzng thyse on a fixed income J.t wll: end upln add

17 - tue benefit of the state of Illinois, because as social securityto

18 . b nefits raise and as taxes would also raisez this keeps the circuite

19- ker Tax reimbursement figure at a'lower level. So, by stabilizingBrea

20- it at present day dollars the state in the long run also qets a benefit.

21. importantly those members of our socieky who are on fixedsut, more

22& incomes and who are of the senior citizen bracket and eligible for

23. he circuit Breaker. would be able to budget themselves accordingly andt .

21 . live within the budget of the f ixed in*ome from past dollars they have

25. ceived. I would ask for a favorable roll call.re

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28. SENATOR REGNER:

29. A question of. the sponsor.

30. PRESIDING oEPIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

31. He indicates he'll yield. '

32. SENATOR RECNER:

33; What will this cost the State in lost revenues or in rebates orl

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2 .' PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATUR DONNEWM D)

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ENATOR CARROLL:5. .

The fiscal note that was filed in the House indicates that the6. revenue loss would be eleven million.7. PiESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)8. Senator Regner.9. SENATOR REGIER

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l0. Well, the only question I have is can the State afford khis new

l1. program and this loss in revenue, and I hope everyone takes that into

12* ideration prior to voting.cons

l3. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)14. senator Glass.l5. spuavoa

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Z6* well 'T-- .l.would l5ke to echo Senehor Negner's comments. My

17' file indicates that the fiscal note is 10.7 million with estimate's

Z8' in as high as 15 from the Department of Revenue and I would pointrunn g

19. ' . ' .out to the membership that this is only the first year of the bill and as20. much as

.. .as attractive as this bill is, it benefits for senior citizens2l. 11 uestion whether, with all the pressure we're under on holdinqI rea y q

22. down expenditures,whether we can afford the loss of this, 1'11 say, :

23' fifteen million dollars this year and much mcre next year, andten to

24. for that reason I would oppose the bill.

25. Pnzslozxc oFrIcER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

26. senator Nimrod.

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28. y Mr president. This is an e'ntirely new program and I wouldeSz .

29. that this does discriminate against' those who are only getting. . .say

30. have less then ten thousand 'income. ..l'mean over 6en thousand income,

31. and I would say that this is not the time for u: to be adding on this

32. additional expense on .to the State.'. 33; PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)

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.Is there further debate? Senatoy Wooten...r .

SENATOR WOOTEN:2.

Just a question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENAQOR DONNEWALD)4.

He indicates he will yield.5.

SENATOR WUOTEN:6.

Do I understand then from your explanation of what I have on the. 7 .

Calendar is not correct?8.


Senator Carroll.l0. .

SENATOR CARROLL:ll.

That is correct, buk it does more than that. One of the provâsions12.

of the bill is that if you turn 65 during the year you are eligible 'l3.

for the Circuit Breaker.. The Calendar is incorrect. And that was notl4.

a major thrust to the bill. That was part of# I believe, a House Amend-l5. ' '

' ment to the bill in line with other legislation that is passed. Itl6. .

allows you to claim your eligibility during 'Ehe year you turn 65. The17.

Calendar, apparently, is not coïplete in its explanation.18. . .

PRESIDING OFXICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)l9.

Senator Wooten.20.

SZNATOR WOOTEN:21.

Well: then the fiscal note involkes in the Ewo programs: what are22. . kin effect. the two programs. Somewhere from eleven to' fifteen million.

23.PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONNEWALD)24

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SENATOR CARROLL:26.

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expended. senator Glass eorrectly pointed out it was 10.7 million and28. .

that would be if all of those who would be eligïble, in fact, did apply,29 '

and as we know the experience factor is that they have not a11 applied. .ao. '

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)3 ). .

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SENATOR CARROLL:. . . . ' y:p '. uThank your Mr . President and members bf the Senate . I thihk this''

is mgch needed legislation. I think that the point that has been missed

.by those who rose to oppose the legislafion is one if it is full par-' !

ticipation we are talking abouk just under èleven million dollars. Weknowz however, that we have not had full participation. Two, we'are

talking dbout those people most in need, those on fixed incomes below

ten thousand dollars annual income, and.we are talking about since their

income is fixed,we are attempting to fix that amount the Government takes

back from those people. Three, we are talking about a situation that in

future yearsyrather than qet substantially more costly it will not. It

will get less costly, because not only w1l1 some come off the roll, but

as the income levels of these people rise should they, because of in-

flation, start earning pore money on their pension income the actual

amount of their rebate is iess, because as they get triggered over the

Circuit Breaker their taxes are still at a lower level. So, this actually

in future years works for the benefit of the Stàte under the circuit

Breaker program and keeps its own expenses down while helping those

who most need it. would urge everyone to vote Aye on this legislation.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

The question is shall House Bâll 859 pass. Those in favor vote

Aye. Those opposed vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who

wish? Take the record. On that question the Ayes are 30, the Nays are

l4. 1 Voting Present. House Bill 859 having received a constitutional

majority is declared passed. Senator Nimrod has requested a verification

Will the Senators please be in their seats and the Secretary will call

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SECJI.='TARY:

The following voted in the affirmative: Bloom, Brady, Carroll,

chew, course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald, Dougherty, Egan, Kenneth Hall,

Hynes, Knuppel, Kosinskiy Lane, Lemke, Mccarthy, Merritt, Nudelman,

Palmet, Pùilip, Rock, Roev. Royano, Savickas, Schaffer, Smïth, Vadalabene,

Welsh and Mr. President.

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PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)1.

n senator yimrodà do you quegtion a IE senàtor Egap on the. Floor?

Senator Egan is on Ehe Floor. Senator Chew on 'the Floor? The Chair3. .

j 4. does not see the presende of Senatrr Chew. Remove his name from the!roll çall. Is Senator êartee on the Floor? Is Senator Partee on the

Floor? Remove his name from the roll call; The sponsor has moved to6.

postpone further consideration of House Bill 859 . The bill will be

i laced o2 the order of Postpone Consid'eration . House Bill 898 , Senator8 PI xnuppel

. senator xpuppez.i 9.

SENATOR KNUPPEL:l0.

I'd like...I inadvertently forgot to Table Amendment No. Do

I have to return it ko 2nd reading to éo this? Alright. Ild ask12.

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leave to have it returned to the order of 2nd reading ào I may Table '

Amendment No. 2.l4.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)15 . ,

Is there leave? Leave is qranted. The bill is on the order gfl6. ,

' 2nd reading. Senator Knuppel now moves to reconsider the vote byl7.

Which Amendment No. 2 was adopted. Al1 in favor say Aye. All opposedl8.

Nay. The Ayes have it. The motion is r/considered. Now, Senator19. .

Knuppel moves to Table Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 898. Al1 those20.

in favor say Aye. Opposed Nay. The Ayes have it. The amendment is2 l .

1 Tabled. 3rd reading. House Bill 91l z Senator Knuppel . House Bill j40 r2 2 . .

S nator Lemke . House Bill 955 , Senator Johns and Partee . House Bill :e2 3 .

959, Senator Demuzio. Read the bill, 'Mr. Secretary.24. .

SECRETARY:

House Bill 959.26.

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Senator Demuzio.30.

SENATOR DEMUZIO:

Thank you, Mr. President and members.of the Sanate. House Bill32. ' . ' '

859 does provide for those 65 yeafs of ;ge and older be exempt from

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- - *' capped. These people wlll be entitled to use the campinq units of the' Department of conservation without a kee. I'd be happy to answer any

5* other questions that you may have. otherwise, I.urgd a most favorable6 '

roll call. .7.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)8. Is there further debate? The question is shall House Bill 959

9. . .pass. Thoso in favor vote Aye. Those opposed vote Nay. The voting

l0. is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question

ll. the Ayes are 46, the Nays are 7, 1 Voting Present. House.Bill 959

12 .' having received a constitutional mgjority is declared passed. Housel3. jqaBill .

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l5. ' . .' House Bill 898.16. . '

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l8. PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR BRUCE) .

l9. ' .senator Knuppel.

20. SENATOR KNUPPEL: .

21* : the Body. 898 is a bill designedMr. chairman and members o

22* to create an A ricultural Area Conservation vprqtecti 'n Act AS XOk1 '. g (? . $23' i the United States today and all over the world land is goingknow n

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24' out of production and there is real concern about food in the decades

25. ahead. This bill would allow people Who own agricultural land to on

26' districts where thg land would bea voluntary basls agree to create. . .

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' 28. There's methods provided hereih foz petitioning the county.years.' board for a board in the county to be seleeted and appointed by the

30 '' county board and to hear these petitions, to creéte these districks

31. and also a' provision that allows the state to play a roll in the de-

.' 32. termination of these districts. Nôwz as a result of these distriets

' 33; i formed they will receive the right to be taxed as agricultural. ba ng.

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lt . . . - ..areas. The statute dpes not apply to home rule units. They have bqen .,2. : , i coou county it does nO* applyZmended ODt. If they re...if you re n3. . .because Cook County is a home rule unit and it already has provisiqps

4 '* in the Constitution to allow for classification of'land. This allows5. counties of smaller than this size, in fact I think the statute allows6. counties of up to two hundred thousand to classify...over two hundred

?' i f f agricultural land on a volun-thousand. Th s allows armers or owners o

8* blance o/ the same klnd of treatment taxtary basis to achieve some sem9. wise and to protect these lands from being condemnedf used for..industrial

l0. purposes and otherwise where so much lands going out of cultivation to

11' i t' the declining'àmount of viable farmland available toprotect aga ns

l2' duce food. The bill is a complicated bill, I realize, but itls de-pro

l3. i ned to protect agricultural areas, particularly in those areas ins g

14' downstate Illinois wher'e the future so strongly demands and mandates

15. 'that We protect these lands. I would appreciate a favorable roll call.

16* PRESIDING CEEICER; (SENATOR DRUCE)

17- zs there debate? senator schaffer.

l8- ssxaœon scHAFpER: '-

l9. welz I rise in support of this bill. My area of the state up

20* in the northern part and the northwest suburbs in the last few years

I ve seen literally hundreds, Jrobably approaching thousands, of acres22' f the finest farmland in the world, not in the Statez but in thesome o23' ld being dug up and being turned into cne sort of development orWor

24' another. The taxes on this land has, well, certainly been an incentive

25. for the farmers to sell out, because they couldn't afford to farm on

26. them. I think this bill is absolutely essential literally to the sur-

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28. this concept twenty-fiye years ago.

29. PRESIDING OFFICER: (GENATOR BRUCE)

30. senator Harber Hall.

31. SENATOR.HALL:

32. Will the sponsor yield for a question? '

33J PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

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SENATOR HALL: '. 3 '*

Senator Knuppel, I have an example that I am serious about and '4 .I * I ' d like you to answer how it would be af f ected . In . . .in the City of

' 5. . 'Bloomington we have two owners who own Ehirky acres of ground right ini '6. '

the city limits with fully developed real estate all the way around it.7 . , 'Ii s right in the heart of the city. In light of your bill here how dog '* you think that would be treated? .9. . = .PRESI

DING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)l0. Senator Knuppel. .

l1. SENATOR KNUPPEL: ..

' l2. ' .Well, as I understand the bill.the area Lnvolved must be at least1) '* five hundred acres unlessao.unless the board hearing thë matter in areas

14. i sric: :utof less than five hundred acres, they can create such a d s15. 'it would have to be.with the approval not only of that board but alsol6' d the state board

. Now, there would have to be somethe county board an

17. i tion used in the case of this kind where there is less than fived scre18. hundred acres

. There's a hearing provision provided and so forth. And'

l 9 . , .if they really didn t believe that it'was appropriate to have this set20* ide as agricultural lahd then the hearing board and the county boardas21' ld have to agree on that and the Ftate board. And I assume that inwou

22. 'the case you have illustrated that it would not be set aside, because:3 '' of the small nature of the acreage. ,

24' PRESIDING orFIcER: (SENATOR BRUCE) '25. Is there further debate? Senator Glass.

26. SENATOR GLAss:

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29. pREszoz!çG oFFIcsR: (sENAToa BRrcE) . '

30. He indicates he will yield. .

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32. senator Knuppel', I..mthis is the same' questio'n I brought up in

)3; ittee and I still would like to be saiisfied on the constitutionalComm

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àu* seetion taxes upon real property shall be ievied uniformly. And I.. kj ' y* wonder if you re permittinq this kind of tax assessment are you

, inS* faet, .consistent with that constitutional mandate?

6. . .PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

7. senator Knuppel. '

8. 'SENATOR KNUPPEL: .

9 l '* Well, it s my belief and the belief of those people who have re-

lg '. searched it that this does meet that provision, and it was for the

ll. very reason that you raised this question that I placed the severability

12 i ' i k that it is a qûestion. I. clause on this bill on 2nd read ng. I th n

l3. personally am not the person qualified ko make that decision. My .

l4. personal opinion is that we meet this standard. It may require litiga-

' 15 '* tion to resolve, but that s true of many...much of the legislaticn we

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20. Thank you, Mr. President, a couple of questions of the sponsor.

2l. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

' 22. He indicates he will yield. '

23 )'@ , SENATOR BELL :. . *

24. senator Knuppel, it seems to me that one of the major problems25 i khe erosion of farmland to become industry, or housing plots,. caus ng

26. or whatever? ïs certalnly the profït motive that that farmer can...

27. can enjoy by the sale of his land. And I'm wanderingr letls say you'. ' .' 2 84 .'.-''fkélre f Lpé hiihd'zrèd ' zc'res.; two'' isàzhil: tlnit 'hake 'iiblite Ebgèthe/'' arid' mkE Ehé 2 ''. 29. criteria and the county board has approved :t, and then one of the farmers

30. deeides well, Iîve just gotten an offer of four thousand dollars an .31 I ' '* acre and despite the tax advahtages I m going to take

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32. of that and I'm'golng to sell. Now, what's to prevent him from selling

. 33. other than the fgct that he has to go' back and pay the back taxes that

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FFICER: . (SENATOR BRUCE )5* senator snuppel. '6 . SENATOR KNUPPEL :7* The one thing to discourage him f rom doinq it is the f act that

i '8.1 he has a contract With those people in there. But, if he owned the!9. whole eight hundred acres the only...the only thing Eo restrain him

l0. from doing it, of course, would be the roll back on taxes kf he wàs the

ll. sole owner. But he has a ccntractual .arrangement, in my opinion, from

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' 12 '* havingtsigned a petition and asked with respecc to other owners in thak

l3* ' d he might be enjoined from taking advantage of i't.area an

14. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)15. .Senator Sell. .

l6. . ' 'SENATOR BELL:'

l7. Well, then he has lostv..as a farmer he has lost one of the

ZB' luable options of land ownership and thpt's being able to recognizeva

l9. yncrease value of that land. He g'ives up that particular straw ofthe

ic* property ownership it would seem to me. Nowz the second question, and

gl* reallyr Senator Knuppel, I think it's an exciting concept but there's22 '' a couple of. things here that do really distress me. Now, the second one.23* what happens when he violates the contract then and sells the land

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What happens to the...to the whole concept. Because maybe it s down

25. to five hundred acres and all of a sudden it becomes less than five

26' hundred acres, because one farmer sold out.

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28. senator xnuppel. could we have some order, please, Gentlemen.

29. several conferences occurring op the Flpor. Would you please take your

30. conferences off the Floor. Senator Knuppel.

31 ' '-' SENATOR KNUPPEE:

32. 1'11 try to answ'er both. aspects of'this. I assume if you ptarted

33; with eight hundred acres and for some reason and in some manner that an

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.t' * .'2. ' ' ' . . .' the five hundred acres that the district that remains would still be' >: ''.I ' :J'-* duly coùstituted. It's-m.it's in fact à. de jure not just a de facto4 . '*

thing . Now, as to the f irst part of the question that the person ' ss . .* giving up some of his rights to realize a prof it . This is true anytime6 .- you go into a contract of this nature, whether it's covenant or not, youT ''* know, running with the land or something else and it's only for an eight8. year period. And this individual give this up voluntarily in exchange

9. , .for getting some benefits and from knowing that somebody kon t selllo **

land next to him for a subdivision where his taxes go clear out of11 '* sight and so forth, so it's a quid pro quo, it's a bargain and sell.12 -* PRESIDING OFFICER

: (SENATOR BRUCE)13. .Yes. Gentlemen, could we break up the conferences in front of

l4* ' desk. If we could just move that off. It seemsSenator Dougherty s

l5. , 'like it s getting a 1ot of noise. Senator Soper.1 6 ' . ' .* SENATOR SOPER: ' .

.17. 'Thank you, Mr. President. senator Knuppel, I was just wondering,

18. i d covenant running with the land. Now, suppose-- suppose thisyou ment onel9. %fellow that sibned this agreement which as you say becomes a covenant20. running with the land, and passes away in say a year or two. Now, is this

' 21* is this an agreement that holds against his estate?

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23. 'Senator Knuppel. . '

24. ssuaToR KxpppEL:

25. , , , i d it yNow, it s a complicated bill, I ve reâd it, I ve stud e ,

a6 '- see of no..-nothing in there that...thai allows a person's estate because27' he has died to t:ke it out of the agreement Now

r it 'cap be passçd as .' v ' ê ' ' . . . . . ... ., . . . . ! ' . . . . , . . ' .'*28 . ' icultur'al land Jnd ge' t kh'e sam' e' tax benef ies , but we a' re allowed ' 'agr

' 29 ' '' everyday to contract beyond our lifetime' and I think that's what this

30. would amount to.

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5 '* I see no way out. That's the way I construe it. Yes.

6 '* SENATOR SOPER: ' ,

7 ':1 * Al1 right, now... .

g* PRESIDING OFFiCER: . (SENATOR BRUCE)

9. Senator Soper.10. SENATOR SOPER:

ll* h sold this land, or say it was foreclosed afterNow, suppose e

12 ' ' '* he went into this. Now, let's take the latter. Now, he makes an aqree-. '''''' :

l3. He's got a mortgagezthe mortgage is foreclosed, he's in a positionment.

14. g llow tuas. ' where he feels that he wants to...he wants to cause the e15 '* loaned him the money a little trouble. So, he goes in this agreement.

16* Does this hold for eight years after he makes that agreement? And is17 '*

. the lender, is he hooked with this agreement?

18* PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)19 =* Senator Knuppel. '20- uavoR Kxuppss:ss

2l. '. Well, thisa..this does provide that the board may promulgate rules

22. 'and regulation to implement the Act and that in so doing the board shall23. 'consider the need for security of land Aitles, a1l th6 potential tax

24. lity to searching of titlesand penalty liabilities in the desirabia5 '' not be complicated by establishment of new record bocks. So, I assume

26. 'that a person might, under that language, Petition the county board in

27. the county downstate where this was involved to say that there was a. ' . * . . . . z J ' 1 : 'T * ' L . ' . . - ' '' . .; . . .' ' ' .' ' '' ,'' ' - .;. T.' . ' ' ' J ' ' .'l ' .t. . . . . . . ' . ' ; ' . . . ' ' . N . . :2 :

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problyY with respect to the title and th#t the title was in some way! . '

29. impaired and could get a release from it'.

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31. senato'r soper. ' .

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33 . t' )a t.laor that would ' hold true . 'Now,. you say that you don..t know T.7 e

34 In other words, he would have to go to the county clerk and ask for this

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' . (' the agreement. Right? Just give me a yes or no. :

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4 '* senator Knuppel. ,s .* SENATOR SOPER: '

6. 'He's skuck with the agreement or isn't he?' J

7. ëSéNATOR KNUPPEL: . !8. t , : k ,Well, of course, it doesn t affect Cook County and I don t th n

9* I i is I don't think you can answer wiki a yes or no. Thewhat I m say ng1c. answer is that each of the different counties may promulgate d6fferent

ll. rules and regulations, or the State board may promulgate.rules and.regu-

â2* k h deals wfth problems such as the ozte youlve raised. Iflatïons wh c

1)* they dondtl then it might require litigation to assume. éut an eight year

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' !l5. ' luntary agrèemènt if you want to encumber your zand with it. '

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17. Senator Soper. And I would point out...

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l9. Last question. .. '

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23. what comes to me- -my mind is this. Now, the fellow.vs borroued

24. ' h : yuere's oil on thissome money and a11 of a sudden they find out t a

25. d and they want to sell the leases and so forth, or they want to.lan

26. drill for oil and he's precluded from doing this?t. . J ' . ' ' ' ' ' ' * 'r . . . . ! ' z ' r '' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '. I - 2 7 . .. . yjttjs jo lxc ' oeri-î:ljii:a'tl' '' . '( sEkArjloà? BRU/E ) L '' ' - . %.- '' ' - ' - .' ;3 '' ' ': .% '. ''! 'S':'. ' ,'.C' . ? 's.'.' - -' -..':'. % ' .''. . - '. .'k.. . 'j

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30. Mr. President, I'd just like to tell Senator Knuppel I don't have

31- any problem wiEh the bill itself or its concept, bùt I do want to point

' 32 ' ' f the rècord and that. . ouk a couple of things I think we ,ought to have or

33; this does not amend the Revenue Act. Which it should do because section

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impact on the 'assessment. And q would say thak this is going to be a

problem that's going to be forced later to be addressed to and we did '

make an attempt to contact the Agriculture Association to recommend

an amendment that I think would have taken care of this problem which

is poorly drafted and I think placed in khe wrong area. It seems that

youbre trying to amend the Fawell Green Belt Bill by reference and thak's

going to contain some problems for yoa. Iîm going to vote Present on

khe bill and I just wish it would have been cleaned up in the beginning.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

Is there fvrther debate? Senator Knuppel may close.

SENATOR KNUPPEL:

Well, I think there has been some misconstructions on the bill,

but I don't think it prevents people from..xwho are under an agreement

such as this from drilling for oil and mineral development at all. Nowz

ik may require some agreement between the people, but certainly if there

is oil there, all the people within the thing could agree to and

don't think it prevents 6ne person from doing it. I say Ehat this is

a step in tie right direction. It does something that has to be done

if wedre going to protect thebproductive land, the productive agricul-

tural lands of the world. It kill require those people who are sub-

dividing and otherwise use lands that are not agricultural in nature.

It gives some protection to the landowner who's a farmer from his lands

virtually confiscated by increases in Eaxes. It serves a good putpose.

It may be thak wedll be back here sometime the future to amend this

Act to make it a better Act. I think it's a good Act the way it is,

hnd. :; would slzggesk tlaat thosè.. who favor Eiiis .' c8nc/pt .that they blqppcsrff '''; -. .

it.l Qt deserves a favorable roll call. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

The queskion is shall House Bill 898 p:ss. Those in favor vote

Aye. Those opposed vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who

wish? Take the record. Oh that question Ehe Ayes are 51*, the Nays are .

1. 2 Voting Present. House Bill 898 having received a constitutional

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. . . majority is declared passed. On the order. of Motionst There is several1. .

Motions set for éoday. Is there leave to continue thosq until tomorrowf2 . . . . . . .

Leave is qranted. Messages from the House. .. 3. .

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SECRETARY: . .4. .

A Message frox the Bouse by Mr. O'Brien, Clerk.5. . .

Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate thak the6.

House of Representatives has concurred with the Senate in the passage7. .

of the following bill: .8.

Senate Bill 476 with House Amendmenk No. 1. Senator Shapiro is9.

the chief sponsor.l0.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE) .1l.

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SECRETARY: .13. .

. A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brien, Clerk.14.

' Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that thel5

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House of Representatives has refused to concur with the Senate in thet6. .

' . adoption of Senace Amendment No. l to House Bill 600. Noz he didn't17.

want this one. House Bill 650. Senator Rickey...wfth House Amendment18.

No. 2. Senator Hickey is the chief sponsbr.l9. .


Senator Hickey.2l.

22. '' Can 1' move ko recede from Senate Amendment No. l according ko the23.Wishes of the sponsor of the billz24

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Can you explain the motion..wthe amendment that wedre receding26.

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Well, Eùis is an amendment which we put on it over here, which24.was originally deleked from the bill in the House and the sponsor, now,

30.I put it on with khe permission of the sponsor. *he sponsor, now,

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' ' d .:...2 ' ' ' - ' 'Senator Hickey, if you would withdraw' your motion the advis' e' ment r'

3 ' '* is that all these will go to the Secretary's Desk for rqview and we

.4 ' ' . . ' ''will. consider them at one time . We have a. . .we ar4 trying to be out

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Senate Bill No....House Bill...same message on House Bill 600 with

8. ' .Senate Amendment No. 1. Senator Weaver.is the chief sponsor.9 '*

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)10 '* Secretary's Desk. For What purpose does Senator Graham arise?

ll. SENATOR GRAHNM:. . - .

12* What was the disposition on 6582la ' '

* ' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)' t4* It went to the Secretary's Desk. She..osenator Hickey withdrew

15. the mptïon to recede and we are putkïng those all on the Secretary's

l6. Desk, so that the members will have a chance to see them pri/ted on .

1 7 '. .thé Calendar.

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l9. Senate B1l1 No. 600 with Senate Amendments No. l and 2. Senator

2c ,* Weaver is the chief sponsor.

21. .Senate Bill No. 87l with.House Amendment No. 1. Senator Netsch

22. is the chief sponsor.

23* ill Noe. . .House Bill No. 1043 with Senate Amendments No.Senate B

24 '' 2. Senator Lemke is the chief sponsor. .

25' senate Bill- - House Bill No. 1146 with senate Amendment No. 1.

26. is the chief sponsor.senator Harber Hall

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29. House B11l wo. .l4os with senate Ameniment No. 2. senator Egan

30. i A chief sponsor.s t e

31. H use sill xo. 15as wâto House Amendment No- - senate Amendment9

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33k House Bill No. 1697 with Senate Amendment No. 1. Senator Glass

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2 House Bilr No. 1949 with Senute Amendemnt No. Sdnator Knuppel

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4 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCé)

5 All to the Secretary's Desk. Resolutions.

6 SECRETARY:

7 senate Resolution ll7 introduced by Senator Mitchler. It'z

8 congratulatory . No, wait a minute. yes, it's coqgratulatory.

9 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

10 : Mitchler.sena or

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12 Mr. Presidenk, this is a congratulatory resolution for Eleanor

. 13 plain of the Aurora Public Library. I would ask for suspension of the

<14 rules and immediate consideration of *he resolution and move for

15 the adoption of the. resolution.


17 Is there leave for suspension of the rules and immediate con-

18 sideration and adoption. Leave is granted. on the motion to adopt by

19 senator Mitchler . All in favor say Aye. Al1 opposed Nay. The res-

20 olution is adopted. Is there leave.oothere is one bill on the order21 -of 2nd reading that should be advanced today. Is Eheve leave to go

22 to that order of business? Leave is granted . House Bill 2105, Senator

23 house. 3105. The secreiary will read the bill a'2nd time.New

24 SECRETARY:

25 House Bill 3105.

26 (secretary reads title of bill)

. . .2nd . roading 'pf . the. bils .:., yo . conin, . ittea anepdzYeptpw'. ,

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)a9' 'Any amendments from the Floor? 3rd reading

. Two sponsors wish

30 to discuss their Motions in writing. Is there leave to go to the order

gl ' 'of Motions? Leave is granted. Senator Mccarthy is recognized. The

32 ion appears on page 27 of the Calezdar/ House Bill 443, SenatorMot33 Mccarthy

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2 Yes, Mr. President and members cf 'the commïttee. T heretofqye .-

.3 . have discussed this matter wifh Senator Newhouse, khe Chairman of the4 Comm'lttee, Where khis bïll reteived a.unfavorable vote'of four to three.

5 I eiplained to hin the circumstances surrounding Ehe bill and he has

6 given his permission for the moEion to prevail. 1 know of no con-

7 troversy on the matter and I would sp move. . .


9 Is there further debate? The motion is that Senator Mccarthy is

10 to take from the Table and place on the order of 2nd reading. A1l in

11 favor say Aye. A1l opposed Nay. The Ayes have it. The bill is on khe

12 order of 2nd rëading. For Whét purpose does Senator Mccariiy arise?

13 Senator Harris. Senator Harris. .

14 SENATOR HARRIS:

' 15 Well it takes thiz'ty votes to take something from the Table and

16 I would think that...

17 PPXESIDING L$T' FICER; (SENATOR BRUCE)

1% Arè you requestinq a roll call?

19 SENATOR HARRIS:

20 ...kelre taking some unusual action here.

21 PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR BRUCE) '

22 Do you request a roll call?

23 SENATOR HARRIS: .

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24 ' And I just think !/e ought to know a lietle bit more about what

25 wefre doing. We have had an absolutely oppressive day about the number

26 of different things we have had fly by us here . And I just think thak27 we ought to...when people are saying wait a minute. Senator Berning is. u . . ' . . ' ' . . .

24 oAe who is involkeâ with this sùbjèêt pàEter. ée was saying wazt aj ..

129 minute. And I just don't think we shoùld be in quite such a hurry.

30 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRQCE) ' '

31 Is there...the Chair heard no objection. If there is a request

32 for a roll call the Chair will be very happy to give a roll call de- .

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l thirky'votes obviously. Is there a reques't for a roll call on the

2 motion? The Chair htars no request for a boll c'all. There's dis-

3 cussion that the motion is to Table a bill. The motion is ko Eake from

4 the Table and place on 6he order of 2nd readinge SJ that Wedre very

5 clear. on a voice vote' the Chair's rule that that has been. . othe bill

6 resides at the Secretaryls Table because of unfavorable or committee

7 action. And I should say committee action thak the bill Do Not Pass,

8 and that Motion prevailed in committeè. Senator Glass, for what

9 purpose do you arise?

10 SENATOR crass:

11 Mr. President, senator Mccarthy did indicate that he had talked

12 to the Chairman of the Committee and that the bill was not controversial.

13 Makbe he could explain a little of that backround so we understand

14 what's involved.

15 pazszoluc oFFIcBR: (sEuAToR BRucE)

16 centlemen, would it be more appropriake to take a roll call on

17 the motion? senator Mccarthy is recognized. Briefly.

18 ssuaToR MecARTHY:

19 'Yqs, Mr. Chairman. This is a penpion bill of limited impact that

20 affected the county kreqsurer of Macon County. At the time it was

21 heard in committee there was a. . .almost a lack of a quorum, and there22 'were only seven people who voted on Ehe bill

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23 man of the Committee about Ehis matter and he has indicated that he

24 i t king. ..has no objection to this limited type 9f a pension bill com ng a

25 taken from the Table and I can assure the members on that side that

26 senator Harber Hall voted for the bill in committee and my. . .I didn't

27 ' , hsnk it ip-. check with the president of khe senqte, but 1: didn t t. . . w. * r . : J . . . . ' ; 2

2b d z stlll don't think it does. And'.. .volved any controversy an

29' pszszolxs oFrIcER: (SENATOR BRncE)

30 senator Berning.

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32 Thank you, Mr. President. There weye eight members of the

33 'Committge present, and khere weie four...on a Do Pass motion there was

34 3 Ayes, 4 Nays/ and l Presenk. The roll call was then reversed. This

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.F 3 accommodate one or kwo people, by openinq d door to a new concept. . !4 within the pension systems We are inv.iting trouble, and that's exactly j

s whatis being done here . The bill sets out a condition whereby credits

6 may be considered that were accumulated under one system while a person

is actually in receipt of a pension under another systeml and I submit l78 khat this is not in good..oin keeping with good pension policy. It is

9 contrary to the Pension Laws Commission's position and it ouqht to be I. . ''' ''' t

iected. The action of the committee should be defended. I10 reg111 PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

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12 The motion is to take from the Table and place on the order of'

j13 2nd reading. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay.. I14 The voting is open. The motion will require thirky affirmative votes I

15 to prevail. Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that questionl

16 the Ayes'are 3l, the Nays are l6, l Voting Present. The motion ko kake. . ' j

17 from the Table an'd place on the order of 2nd reading prevails. There

18 has been a request for verification by Senator Berning. Senator Berning,

19 do yoq persist in your motion to your request for a verification? !

20 Senator Berning requests a verification. Senakors will be in their seats

21 and the Secretary will call those who voted in the affirmative.

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23 The following voted in the affirmative: Brady, Bruce, Buzbeqz

24 Carroll, Chew, Course, Daley, Donnewald, Douqhertv, Egan, Kenneth. ''''' ''''' ''''''' ''''' !

25 Hall, Hickey, Hynes, Johns, Joyce, Knuppel, Kosinski, Lane, Lemke, I

26 Mccarthy, Morris, Netsch, Newhouse, Palmer, Philip, Rock, Savickasz I

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28 ' PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

29 Senator Berningr do you question anyone on the roll call? '. '

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31 Yes, Mr. President, Senator Wooten. . I

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33 . Is Senator Wooten'on the Ploor? The Chair noEes his presence. l

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4 Is Senator Buzbee on the Floor? Strike'.his name.'

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7 PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)' I8 Is Senator Daley on the Floor? The Chair notes his presence. 1.

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12 ls Senator Johns on the Floor? Strike his name from the roll II

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16 PRESIDIN/ OFPICER) (SENATOR BRUCE) , !. .. I17 Is Senator Hynes on the Floorz On that question the Ayes are 29,

. I1B the Nays are 16, 1 Voting Presdnt. The motion to take from the Table f

19 and place on' the order of 2nd reading fails. For what purpose does I!

2c Senakor Palmer arise? s!21 SENATOR PALMER:

22 To Table only takes a majority of'the votes. I.

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' j24 No, Senator Palmer, it requires thirty votes: affirmative votes, to

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25 take from the Table. The bill resides on the Secretaryês Table and our ?' l

26 rules require a vote of thirty affirnakive votes. House Bill 2196. !

2.7. , .. Senator yccarthy, y9u peeking.recqgnition? The çhair cannot distipguish' ' . . .. . ' . 't . ' . e , . . ' . . ' . . '' .. . . . ' ' V. @. ' . . , * ' q 'k . . * . ' . ' . ' J ' . ' . .' . ' ' ' . ' . '. . . . ' .. ' . . ' .. . . . l . ' I28 you as commentinq baek there. senator Mccarthy. I

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30 Just an inquiry. Just a parliamehkarv inquiry. On a motion...on' ''' ''' . 12 31 a moEion like this when it fails do you put thev.oand the vote was in !

. I32 the. affârmatâve and where it was'declared.mydeclared to be passed. p

' live? or is there such a thing as post- l33 Does khe motion stay a I

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I thipk I've anjwered my own question. Yög can always file a neW. :

..t .Motion: huh?

PRESIDING OFFICER? (SEXATOR BRUCE)

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PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR BRDCE)

Well: the roll call was unannouncede but you can ask leave. Is

leave granted for the postponed consideration ok this motion. Leave

is nqt granted. Senator Mccarthy, 1...

SENATOR MCCARTRY:

Now, whak names were taken off there and I want a verification

of the negative.

PRESIDING OFFICER:

motfon hgre and 'that is to postpone

(SENATOR BRUCEI'

Well, Senator Mccarthy, it would not make any difference since

we must bill to thirty vokes.

SENATOR MCCARTHY:

What names were taken off?

PRESIDING OEPICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

Senator Johns and Senator Buzbee.

SyNATOR MccARTHy)

A1l right.

24 PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR BRUCE)

25 I would point out that yau could later move to suspend the rules

26 and have the Motion reconsidered. Senator Philip on House Bill 2196.

The mokïon is to disckarge from committee and to plate on the

2n; reading. Senator Philip.

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30 Thank you, Mr. President. With leave I'd like to postpone ik

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Is there leave? Is there leave ko poskpone further consideration

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1 of House Bill 2196 in the attendgnt motiop . Leave is granted. Apy

2 further business to come before the Sq'nate? Senakor Welsh .

3 SENATOR wELsH:

4 ' b i imm' ediatelyMr. Preiident, there will be a Dem.crat .c caucus

5 ' ,after adjournment in the President s Office.


1 Any further announcements? Senator Berning.

8 SENATOR BERNING:

9 Thank you, Mr. President. In the rush of business this morning

10 we voted on nouse Bill 229 and. . .

11 PRSSIDING orrzcsR: (SENATOR BRUCE)

12 can 'we havb some order, pfease. The senate is not adjourned. The13 senake is in Session, to remind these that are starting caucuses on khe

14 Floor. senator Berning.

15 sExaTon BERNING:

16 ves, Mr. president. I merely beqged leave to have permission toz7 'have my vote recorded or shown as a No vote on House Bill 229: since

18 that is a tax increase without a referendum and I was not informed on

19 the bill when we took the vote this morning.

20 pRsslnzuc ogrzcsR: (ssxazoa Baucs)

21 The record wllz so show. The roll call will not so show. Senator

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24 yes, Mr. president, with referenee to Wednesdày's schedule...


26 could we have some arder, Gentlemen, please. senator Partee.

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. .ib ' ' ' .' ' is' untsl the lakt minute ko tell you what;n like not to wal . '

29 ' . d inschedule is so that you can make plans in advance. On Nednes ay morn g

30 , 'we re going to consider conference comhittees. Neither the House nor

31 : ill be in session for khis pe/iod. The conference committeethe sena e w

32 hedulè as to time, place, subject matter and participants will besc33 ' 'ready tomorrow afternoon, and we will work on conferende committees

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1 4. .And there w11l be an extended schedule of canference committee reports.s .* Hopef ully during that period we can resolve a number of problems that< ' ê-* are in those conference committees. That's Wydnesday morning.

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l1. bjeet to conference ccmmittee covered by that particular time schedulesu

Z2' thenz A11. .al1 conference committees lhatever are to meet. One of the

l3. ' thinqs z'm wondering about is if...

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l8- f them are solved and in the process of having reportszrawn. -two o' 19* ls that what you had reference to?

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23. yes, that z have one for exapple where the only reason for the

24. conference eosrittee was a technical mistake. There is no real coh-

25. troversy. secondly, at least- .well, z want notice of the hearing,

26. senator Roek. I also want a ccpy of the procedures that we're using

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5 If you are on several conference committees, how does the

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10 ' Well, the first way we will seek to resolve it is to take you

11 off of more than you can handle. So, that the entire membeyship can

12 be working at the sanc time. We'll try to solve that problem for you

13 be delimiting the number of conference committees on which each

14 menber will serve beinq reflective, of course, of the entire membership

15 parEicipation in the conference committee raport system.

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l7' .senator Newhouse.

18 SENATOR NEWHOUSE: .

19 Mr. President, I wonder if we çan clarifye..l wonder if we can'

20 clarify one thing. From nine.to ten thirty conference committees will

21 be meeting. Does that mean the Session will begin at ten thirty, or

22 at a later time?

23 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATQR BRUCE) .

24 senator Partee. . ' .

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26 First of all, Senatcr, the conference cammittee repcrts schedule

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j'28 witl the senate and the House eaeh goihg into session at ten thirty.

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30 Are there further announcements? Senator N mro .

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32 May I make a request to discharge Committee on Appropriations on

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. ' 2 The motion is to discha'rge the. P6mmiEtee' on Appropriakions from

t'.' 3 further consideration of...would you sive Ahe two nllmhers again.

4 SENATOR NIMROD:

5 ' 768 and 1491. TheyIre Senate Bills.


7 The motion to discharge the Sènate Appropriations Committee from

8 further consideration of Senate Bills 768 and 1491. All in favor say

9 Aye. Opposed Nay. The mokion prevails. Senator Nimrod now moves. * .

10 to Table Senate Bill 768 and Senate Bill 1491. All in favor say Aye.

11 All opposed Nay. The bills are Qabled. Furkher business. Senator

12 Roe moves that the Senate stand adjourned until 9:00 avm. komorrow

13 morning. All in favor say Aye. A11 opposed Nay. The Ayes have it.

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