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Dave MearnsPeter F. Schmid

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BEING-WITH AND BEING-COUNTER

A person-centered viewon in-depth interaction

in the therapeutic relationship

PCE 2006

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Mearns & Schmid 2

Working at Relational Depthin Counselling and Psychotherapy

Mearns, D. & Cooper, M. 2005London, Sage.

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Dave MearnsPeter F. Schmid

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

BEING-WITH AND BEING-COUNTER

A person-centered viewon in-depth interaction

in the therapeutic relationship

PCE 2006

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Souveränität und Engagement(Sovereignty and Commitment). Mainz, 1991.

Autonomie und Solidarität (Autonomy and Solidarity). Köln, 1994.

Die Kunst der Begegnung (The Art of Encounter). Paderborn, 1996.

Im Anfang ist Gemeinschaft (In the Beginning there is Community). Stuttgart, 1998.

Anspruch und Antwort(Demand and Response). Wien, 2002.

Schmid, P. F.

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relationship .....

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BEING-WITH AND BEING-COUNTERA person-centered view on in-depth

interaction in the therapeutic relationship

I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process of personalization

II. Relational depth: The challenge of fully meeting the client

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I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process

of personalization

PCT – a co-created relationship therapy

More than the working alliance

Company and confrontation

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II. The challenge of meeting the client at relational depth

Challenges for the therapist

Criteria for working at relational depth

The developmental agenda for the therapist

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I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process

of personalization

PCT – a co-created relationship therapy

More than the working alliance

Company and confrontation

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PCT – a co-created relationship therapy

PERSON

ENCOUNTER

THOU-I-RELATIONSHIP

autonomous & relational

the Other

intersubjective, co-creative

fundamentally dialogical

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Bipolar model of psychotherapy

D. Mearns: ‘working at relational depth’;

1996; 1997; 1999; 2002a; 2002b; 2003; Mearns &

Thorne, 2000; Mearns & Cooper, 2005.

P. F. Schmid: ‘therapy as the art of not-knowing and the art of encounter’1989; 1991; 1994; 1998a; 1998b; 2002b; 2002c; 2002d; 2002e; 2003; 2006.

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Bipolar model of psychotherapy

W. Pfeiffer ‘relationship as the central effective factor in PCT’

L. Holdstock ‘interdependent, not individuocentric nature of self’

U. Binder ‘empathy versus cognitive social perspective taking’

B. Thorne ‘intimacy’

G. Barrett-Lennard ‘client-centered relational psychotherapy’

A. Bohart ‘the client as active self healer’

G. Prouty ‘pre-symbolic experiencing, contact & pre-therapy’

M. Warner ‘contact & fragile and dissociated process’

M. Cooper ‘relationally-orientated approach to therapy’

M. Behr ‘interactive resonance’

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I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process

of personalization

PCT – a co-created relationship therapy

More than the working alliance

Company and confrontation

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More than the ‘working alliance’

The ‘presentational level’ of self

The level of existential self-experiencing

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More than the ‘working alliance’

‘SOBER DOMINIC’ and

‘DOMINIC THE DRUNK’

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More than the ‘working alliance’

‘BOBBY’

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Relationship challenges for the therapist working with Bobby

Not to be ‘put off’ by his well developed, self-protective, anti-relationship mechanisms

Not to be frightened by Bobby

Relating at depth with both parts (fear and sadness) of his existential dialogue

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I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process

of personalization

PCT – a co-created relationship therapy

More than the working alliance

Company and confrontation

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Company and confrontation

Being with the client.

Being counter the client.

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Company and confrontation

The therapist is not only an alter ego.

But truly another person.

The therapist is the Other for the client.

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Company and confrontation

What are the criteria for a person-centered confrontation?

What does ‘counter’ in the therapeutic en-counter

mean?

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Company and confrontation

self awareness

experiencing

self resonance empathic resonance personal resonance

concordant

complementary

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self resonance

Cl: Shall I love or hate him? I don’t know, I am confused …

Th (thinking of his own partner):

Good question! You never know.

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Company and confrontation

self awareness

experiencing

self resonance empathic resonance personal resonance

bracket offor ‘build bridges‘

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Company and confrontation

self awareness

experiencing

self resonance empathic resonance personal resonance

bracket offor ‘build bridges‘

concordant

symbolize

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concordant empathic resonance

Cl: Shall I love or hate him? I don’t know, I am confused …

Th (primarily sensing the client’s confusion):

There is mixed feelings in you. Part of you experiences affection, part of you dislike and this is in you at one and the same time.

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Company and confrontation

self awareness

experiencing

self resonance empathic resonance personal resonance

bracket offor ‘build bridges‘

concordant

complementary

symbolize

confront

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complementary empathic resonance

Cl: Shall I love or hate him? I don’t know, I am confused …

Th (sensing primarily that the client gradually has been growing tired of the person he talks about):

… or even forget about him?

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complementary empathic resonance

Cl (hesitantly, tentatively):

I feel somewhat sorry for him, poor guy …

Th: You regret what happened, but you also seem to think it serves him right … ?

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Company and confrontation

self awareness

experiencing

self resonance empathic resonance personal resonance

bracket offor ‘build bridges‘

concordant

complementary

symbolize

confront

dialogue

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personal resonance

Cl: Shall I love or hate him? I don’t know, I am confused …

Th (personally touched by the client’s bewilderment):

… which makes me aware how much I truly hope you come to the right decision this time.

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personal resonance

Th: Do you want to see me next Tuesday at eleven?

Cl: Don’t know.

Th: ‘I just don’t know.’

(Silence of 49 seconds)

Th: Right at this point you just don’t know … whether you want to say ‘yes’ to that or not, huh? … I guess you feel so down and so awful that you just don’t know whether you can … see that far ahead. Huh?

(Silence of 1 minute 20 seconds)

Th: I’m going to give you an appointment at that time because I’d sure like to see you then. (Writing an appointment slip.)

Rogers

with ‚M

r. V

ac‘

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personal resonance

Cl (avoiding to respond to a tough question, the client has asked himself):

Big question – maybe I need another vodka before I can answer that.

Th: Dom – be here – be here drunk –but don’t play fucking games with me. Neither I nor you deserve that.

Cl (after a silence): You’re really serious about this, aren’t you?

Mearn

s w

ith ‚D

om

inic‘

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Company and confrontation

self awareness

experiencing

self resonance empathic resonance personal resonance

bracket offor ‘build bridges‘

concordant

complementary

symbolize

confront

dialogue

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BEING-WITH AND BEING-COUNTERA person-centered view on in-depth

interaction in the therapeutic relationship

I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process of personalization

II. Relational depth: The challenge of fully meeting the client

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II. Relational depth: The challenge of fully meeting

the client

Challenges for the therapist

Criteria for working at relational depth

The developmental agenda for the therapist

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Challenges for the therapist

Criteria for working at relational depth

The developmental agenda for the therapist

II. Relational depth: The challenge of fully meeting

the client

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Challenges for the therapist

Not to be relationally negated by the self-protective processes of the client

Struggling to meet the different parts of the client that may have come to personify different facets of the conflict and offer relational depth to all

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Challenges for the pc therapist

Fragile process (Warner, 2000)

Dissociative process (Warner, 2000)

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CLIENT’S CLIENT’S CLIENT’S

‘PROBLEMS’ ‘PROCESSES’ ‘EXISTENTIAL

‘PROCESS’

Challenges for the pc therapist

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Challenges for the pc therapist

Not to be relationally negated by the self-protective processes of the client

Struggling to meet the different parts of the client that may have come to personify different facets of the conflict and offer relational depth to all

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Models for describing change dynamics

Rogers: Conflict between ‘the Self as it has actualized to this point’ and the‘continuing promptings of the actualizing tendency’.

Festinger: ‘Dissonance’ model.

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Challenges for the therapist

Criteria for working at relational depth

The developmental agenda for the therapist

II. Relational depth: The challenge of fully meeting

the client

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What confrontation & dialogue are not

Expert behavior

Process direction

Satisfaction of the therapist’s needs

Diagnosis

Blaming, insinuating

Attacking resistance

‘Self disclosure’

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Criteria for working at relational depth

The overall criterion:

The therapist is devoting their whole awareness to the service of the Other.

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Criteria for working at relational depth

Existentiality

Freedom of choice

Immediacy

Relationship-centeredness

Mutuality

Openness to risk

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Criteria for working at relational depth

Spontaneity

Addressing all parts of the Self

Co-reflectiveness

Quality

Contextuality

Awareness of power

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Challenges for the therapist

Criteria for working at relational depth

The developmental agenda for the therapist

II. Relational depth: The challenge of fully meeting

the client

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The developmental agenda for the therapist

Broadening the self that is available in the therapy room – ‘configurations’.

Turning self-experiences into ‘existential touchstones’.

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BEING-WITH AND BEING-COUNTERA person-centered view on in-depth

interaction in the therapeutic relationship

I. From presence to dialogue:Therapy as co-creative process of personalization

II. Relational depth:The challenge of fully meeting the client

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Person-Centered and

Experiential Psychotherapies

Journal of the

World Association for

Person-Centered and

Experiential Psychotherapy

(WAPCEPC)