cosmo grams

First a welcome to Taf: good to have you aboard. For those that don't know geodetic equivalents was developed by a man named

Edward Johndro. He spent many years testing his system in a variety of ways. He wrote two books on it. The main one is called THE

EARTH IN THE HEAVENS.

Johndro proposed that the entire band or range of the zodiacal signs could stretch around the entire Earth in 30 degree segments

starting with Aries of course. And he lined up 0 Aries with longitudes starting at 0 East and West: Greenwich, England. Thus, from 0

Aries at Greenwich it then goes East to 30 degrees East. From 30 East to 60 East would then be Taurus. 60 East to 90 East would

then be Gemini. 90 East to 120 East would then be Cancer. From 120 East to 150 East would be Leo, and from 150 East to 180 East/

West would be Virgo. From 0 West to 30 West would be Pisces, 30 West to 60 West would be Aquarius, 60 to 90 West would be

Capricorn, 90 West to 120 West would be Sagittarius, 120 West to 150 Scorpio, and from 150 West to 180 West/East would be Libra.

Each of these zodiacal zones also contain the natural crosses of signs that exist within them. the four natural cardinal points. So, for

example, the Aries zone also contains Libra, Cancer, and Capricorn. Each natural zodiacal zone has these natural crosses of the signs

within them. So, for example, the generation that had Neptune in Libra would naturally connect not only within the Libra zone itself,

but also within the Aries zone. This is why it's not so surprising that those who have Neptune in Libra, that generation, had a high

degree of interest and focus on the mythologies of Rome and Greece: it correlates to collective consciousness of those times in the

past.

So for those who wish to keep going on this thread I would recommend that you get a world map and draw in the natural zodiacal

zones and, within them, write out the 3 other signs that will exist within them.

Right now I will stop and wait to see if you all understand the basic structure we are working with, and to see if any of you have

questions. Each of these zodiacal zones also contain the natural crosses of signs that exist within them. the four natural cardinal

points. So, for example, the Aries zone also contains Libra, Cancer, and Capricorn. Each natural zodiacal zone has these natural

crosses of the signs within them. So, for example, the generation that had Neptune in Libra would naturally connect not only within

the Libra zone itself, but also within the Aries zone. This is why it's not so surprising that those who have Neptune in Libra, that

generation, had a high degree of interest and focus on the mythologies of Rome and Greece: it correlates to collective consciousness

of those times in the past

Can you explain a bit more why one latitude will contain with in it the natural crosses of that sign?

Specifically, is is divided up within the 30 degrees of the latitude? For example 60-90 west is Gemini. Are each of the mutable signs

associated with 1/4th of the latitue? Or is not divided up at all?Rad, taking your example of the generation with Neptune in Libra:

Rome and Greece are within the Aries Zone on the map, so when checking a specific function like Neptune in Libra you check not only

the natal zone, but also the zones of the other three directions of the cross? And does that mean you are factoring in the archetypes

of the zones according to the aspect? Meaning, do you need to factor in an opposition aspect when bringing in Rome and Greece as a

focus in that generation's collective conscious/unconscious? And alternately a square aspect to the Cancer/Capricorn zones?So our

next step in understanding the application of geodetic equivalents is now being able to link the symbols in any given birth chart to the

natural zodiacal zones on the Earth. In order to do this we will need to understand two basic principles. The first principle is to

remember that the natural houses in the zodiac correlate to the foundation of any chart. So, for example, if a person has a planet or

planets in the 3rd House this will naturally correlate to the Gemini Zone. And if in that same chart a person had planets in either

Sagittarius, Virgo, or Pisces this would also then correlate to that zone. The second principle are the actual signs that various symbols

in the birth chart correlate too. So in our the very same planets that correlate to the Gemini zone will also correlate to their own

zodiacal zones. And those zones, of course will all have their own natural crosses/ signs within them.

For those that have taken the time to write down these zodiacal zones on a world map, and the natural crosses within them, you can

now take your own natal chart with all the various symbols, and that should include all the planetary nodes, you can now but on that

world map your own birth chart symbols that correlate to these zodiacal zones with their sub zones within them that are symbolized

in the natural crosses within each of the natural zodiacal zones.

I am attaching the birth chart of President Obama so that as questions arise we can refer to this together in order to understand the

two principles above.

God Bless, RadObama's natal Pluto is in the 7th House in Virgo. The 7th House is the natural Libra House. So on the Geodetic map I

place Pluto into the Libra Zone (as well as Uranus, N.Node). Then look for planets/nodes in the tropical signs of Aries, Cancer,

Capricorn in order to fill out the Libra Zone (but not planets/nodes in the 1st, 4th, or 10th Houses?). In this case we have Juno in

Aries and Saturn in Capricorn, etcetera....

Libra Zone: Pluto (natural), Uranus (natural), N.Node (natural), Juno (sub), Saturn (sub), etcetera etcetera....

Then I would also place Libra planets into this zone as well. If a planet were in Libra in Obama's chart would it be given the same

"emphasis" as his Pluto in the 7th House? Or his Juno/Saturn as "Sub-Zone" planets?

Or to ask in another way:

Since we also place his Pluto into the Virgo Zone (as well as the Pisces, Gemini, and Sagittarius Zones as a "sub-planet"), does the

Natural House of the planet (7th House/Libra Zone) mean something different than the Sign of that same planet (Virgo/Virgo Zone) in

terms of geodetic interpretation?

i Rad,

Are the symbols correctly placed on the geodetic world map for Obama? (attached)

ADDED LATER: This version of the map is incorrect.

Please see below for correct version.

Thanks.To clarify: Obama has Pluto in Virgo in the 7th. So, on the map above, we would place Pluto in the Libra, Aries, Cap and

Cancer zones as well as in the Virgo Pisces Sag and Gemini zones? Thank you.Pluto in his 7th goes into the natural Libra Zone.

By sign it goes into the Virgo Zone. Through the natural crosses of the signs it then goes into the Sag, Gemini, and

Pisces zones as well. All of those zones have Virgo within them due to the natural crosses. Not the Aries, Cap, or Cancer

zones because none of these has Virgo as part of their natural crosses. I'm going to contemplate with why this is so- ie why

houses apply (ie third house= gemini zone), and yet the natural crossses do not apply for houses. If I have any further questions I

will ask.

I have a very general question, what kind of observations and correlations were

made to determine these geodetic equivalents in the first place?

he geodetic map contains:

-- the SIGNS of the Planets and Planetary Nodes

-- the NATURAL CROSSES that apply to the Planets and Planetary Nodes

-- the HOUSES of the Planets and Planetary Nodes (natural crosses do not apply

here)

Is it correct to include the SUN?

Rad's response: No, because the Sun correlates to the current life. So if we are

focusing on the prior lifetimes and their dynamics that have lead to the current life

this would not be included.

Here's a BLANK MAP of the world geodetic zones for future use:

Right-click on the image. Choose "Copy Image."

Open new Word document and press Ctrl + V to paste.

Print.

Thanks Steve for the Photobucket instructions.

Linda: "Is it correct to include the SUN?"

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No, because the Sun correlates to the current life. So if we are focusing on the prior lifetimes and their dynamics that

have lead to the current life this would not be included.

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Ari: "I have a very general question, what kind of observations and correlations were made to determine these geodetic equivalents

in the first place?"dward Johndro was the originator of the geodetic system. He does have two books that one can read to

understand the nature of his work over many, many years observing and correlating this system to Earth, and it's

peoples. Johndro was primarily interested in Earth events such as earthquakes, volcanoes, and so on. One of his desires

was to be able to hone this system to such a point that it would be possible to predict Earth events based on past

observations and correlations. And to that end his system has a very high degree of accuracy when totally and properly

understood. A few simple examples. We all remember that giant tsunami a few years ago that killed so many people in

southeast Asia. Of course it was triggered by that massive underwater earthquake in the Indian Ocean that was so

massive that it shifted the axis of the Earth itself. The transiting Saturn was exact to the longitude of that earthquake.

Another dramatic example: the nuclear bombs that the USA dropped on Japan. The USA's N.Node is something like 5

Leo. This correlates with the geodetic longitude of Japan: Hiroshima. The transiting Pluto, nuclear bombs, was exact to

5 degrees of Leo on that day.

JWG started using geodetic equivalents in his EA work early on in his work. He did want to see if there was a way of

correlating prior lifetimes by a Soul to specific places on the Earth. In understanding JWG we must remember that he

did have other capacities other than astrology that allowed him to see and know the Soul history of anyone. So this of

course lent itself to his work with the geodetic equivalents in terms of being able to use it with confidence. His desire

was to develop a system like this that all EA astrologers could use whether that had other capacities or not. An

empirical system that worked with a high degree of certainty.

He worked on this system for most of his career and considered it 'experimental'. As we move forwards with his

teaching of the geodetic equivalents we will be linking it with the Ages and their sub-ages so that so specific times and

places for the history of any given Soul can be seen. He never got to the point that he felt he could publish any of this

although he did teach it in a few places as a workshop that he titled: The Soul's Journey Through Time. It is the material

in that workshop that is being presented here.

This is a work that he worked on for almost his entire career that he was constantly trying to perfect: he did not like

'loose ends'. And there are loose ends in what is being taught here. Some simple examples: he never reached a

conclusion relative to the application of all the planetary nodes in these geodetic charts. The main issue here was the

issue of the outer planetary nodes of Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto versus the personal planets and their

nodes: Venus, Mars, the Moon, and Mercury. Obviously the outer planetary nodes correlate to great periods of time that

all Souls share whereas the personal planets and their nodes are just that: personal. He came to a place where he felt

that when we see in a birth chart the personal planets is aspect to the outer planetary nodes then those nodes should

be included in THAT person's geodetic map.

He did not use at all the N.Nodes of any of the planets at all because those all correlate to the future evolution of any

given Soul although he mused that they could correlate to the future projection of the Soul to places on the Earth in

lives to come relative to where it has been, and is now.

As the geodetic system stands as of now, what he did develop, there is a very high degree of accuracy. Simply look at

the chart of Obama and that should be very, very clear. When you add just two prior lives to that, Abraham Lincoln and

Charles Lindbergh , it becomes even more clear.

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"Will we be going into depth utilizing these principles and charts?"

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Not sure what 'in depth' would mean to you, so please let me know about what you mean.

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"And is Pluto's House or the S.Node of Pluto, or the S.Node of the Moon the first place to look when beginning? Is there a practical

sequence like the Pluto signature? Or does it depend on each individual chart"

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The use of these geodetic maps is to provide another vehicle in order to understand the prior life backgrounds of any

Soul that all contribute to the life being currently lived. If we have a book to read most of us would agree that it's

necessary to read the totality of that book in order to understand what is being presented in that book. If I start reading

chapter five first, and then continue on to the end, I will not totally understand that book. In the same way the geodetic

maps provide, in it's own way, a total understanding to the entire book of any given Soul. So, it's not a matter of where

to look at first when utilizing these charts. The geodetic charts must be seen and understood as a whole.

These charts should not be seen or understood to represent the entire history of any given Soul. They should be seen as

specific prior lives that any given Soul is drawing upon relative to it's current life evolutionary and karmic intentions

and needs.

Ok, so now we have arrived at a place where we can all have some experimental fun. Below you will see a list of the Astrological

Ages, their sub-ages, which is further divided by 90 year segments within each that are defined by their own signs. All of you have

made your own geodetic maps of your own birth charts. In order to place your natal planets within the appropriate Ages and their

sub-ages, and the 90 year segments within them it will be necessary to employ another astrological method to do so. That method is

called Cosmo Grams that was developed by an astrologer whose name I have forgot. I think his name was Ebertein but I can't quite

remember. In his system the 360 zodiac is reduced to 90 degrees wherein all the Mutable, Cardinal, and Fixed signs are stacked up

on each other thus creating this 90 degree wheel. I am attaching this wheel so you can all print it out, and also attaching a dial that

you can also print out that goes in the middle of the 90 degree wheel.

So for right now I would like you to print out this wheel, the dial, and the example chart that demonstrates how to place the planets

within the wheel by using the dial. When we have all done this I will then present how to use them.

God Bless, Rad

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The Astrological Ages and Sub-Ages

1. LEO AGE: 10,900 B.C. - 8740 B.C.

10,900 - 10,810 Leo

10,810 - 10,720 Virgo

10,720 - 10,630 Libra

10,630 - 10,540 Scorpio

10,540 - 10,450 Sagittarius

10,450 - 10,360 Capricorn

10,360 - 10,270 Aquarius

10,270 - 10,180 Pisces

10,180 - 10,090 Aries

10,090 - 10,000 Taurus

10,000 - 9,910 Gemini

9,910 - 9,820 Cancer

AQUARIUS SUB-AGE OF THE LEO AGE: 9,820 - 8,740 B.C.

9,820 - 9,730 Aquarius

9,730 - 9,640 Pisces

9,640 - 9,550 Aries

9,550 - 9,460 Taurus

9,460 - 9,370 Gemini

9,370 - 9,280 Cancer

9,280 - 9,190 Leo

9,190 - 9,100 Virgo

9,100 - 9,010 Libra

9,010 - 8,920 Scorpio


8,830 - 8,740 Capricorn

2. CANCER AGE: 8,740 - 6,580 B.C.

8,740 - 8,650 Cancer

8,650 - 8,560 Leo

8,560 - 8,470 Virgo

8,470 - 8,380 Libra

8,380 - 8,290 Scorpio


8,200 - 8,110 Capricorn

8,110 - 8,020 Aquarius

8,020 - 7,930 Pisces

7,930 - 7,840 Aries

7,840 - 7,750 Taurus

7,750 - 7,660 Gemini

CAPRICORN SUB-AGE OF THE CANCER AGE: 7,660 - 6,580 B.C.

7,660 - 7,570 Capricorn

7,570 - 7,480 Aquarius

7,480 - 7,390 Pisces

7,390 - 7,300 Aries

7,300 - 7,210 Taurus

7,210 - 7,120 Gemini

7,120 - 7,030 Cancer

7,030 - 6,940 Leo

6,940 - 6,850 Virgo

6,850 - 6,760 Libra

6,760 - 6,670 Scorpio


3. GEMINI AGE: 6,580 - 4,420 B.C.

6,580 - 6,490 Gemini

6,490 - 6,400 Cancer

6,400 - 6,310 Leo

6,310 - 6,220 Virgo

6,220 - 6,130 Libra

6,130 - 6,040 Scorpio


5,950 - 5,860 Capricorn

5,860 - 5,770 Aquarius

5,770 - 5,680 Pisces

5,680 - 5,590 Aries

5,590 - 5,500 Taurus

SAGITTARIUS SUB-AGE OF THE GEMINI AGE: 5,500 - 4,420 BC


5,410 - 5,320 Capricorn

5,320 - 5,230 Aquarius

5,230 - 5,140 Pisces

5,140 - 5,050 Aries

5,050 - 4,960 Taurus

4,960 - 4,870 Gemini

4,870 - 4,780 Cancer

4,780 - 4,690 Leo

4,690 - 4,600 Virgo

4,600 - 4,510 Libra

4,510 - 4,420 Scorpio

4. TAURUS AGE: 4,420 - 2,260 B.C.

4,420 - 4,330 Taurus

4,330 - 4,240 Gemini

4,240 - 4,150 Cancer

4,150 - 4,060 Leo

4,060 - 3,970 Virgo

3,970 - 3,880 Libra

3,880 - 3,790 Scorpio


3,700 - 3,610 Capricorn

3,610 - 3,520 Aquarius

3,520 - 3,430 Pisces

3,430 - 3,340 Aries

SCORPIO SUB-AGE OF THE TAURUS AGE: 3,340 - 2,260 B.C.

3,340 - 3,250 Scorpio


3,160 - 3,070 Capricorn

3,070 - 2,980 Aquarius

2,980 - 2,890 Pisces

2,890 - 2,800 Aries

2,800 - 2,710 Taurus

2,710 - 2,620 Gemini

2,620 - 2,530 Cancer

2,530 - 2,440 Leo

2,440 - 2,350 Virgo

2,350 - 2,260 Libra

5. ARIES AGE: 2,260 - 100 B.C.

2,260 - 2,170 Aries

2,170 - 2,080 Taurus

2,080 - 1,990 Gemini

1,990 - 1,900 Cancer

1,900 - 1,810 Leo

1,810 - 1,720 Virgo

1,720 - 1,630 Libra

1,630 - 1,540 Scorpio


1,450 - 1,360 Capricorn

1,360 - 1,270 Aquarius

1,270 - 1,180 Pisces

LIBRA SUB-AGE OF THE ARIES AGE: 1,180-100 B.C.

1,180 - 1,090 Libra

1,090 - 1,000 Scorpio

1,000 - 910 Sagittarius

910 - 820 Capricorn

820 - 730 Aquarius

730 - 640 Pisces

640 - 550 Aries

550 - 460 Taurus

460 - 370 Gemini

370 - 280 Cancer

280 - 190 Leo

190 - 100 Virgo

6. PISCES AGE: 100 B.C. - 2060 A.D

100BC - 10BC Pisces

10BC - 80 AD Aries

80 - 170 Taurus

170 - 260 Gemini

260 - 350 Cancer

350 - 440 Leo

440 - 530 Virgo

530 - 620 Libra

620 - 710 Scorpio

710 - 800 Sagittarius

800 - 890 Capricorn

890 - 980 Aquarius

VIRGO SUB-AGE OF THE PISCES AGE: 980 - 2060 A.D.

980 - 1070 Virgo

1070 - 1160 Libra

1160 - 1250 Scorpio

1250 - 13 40 Sagittarius

1340 - 1430 Capricorn

1430 - 1520 Aquarius

1520 - 1610 Pisces

1610 - 1700 Aries

1700 - 1790 Taurus

1790 - 1880 Gemini

1880 - 1970 Cancer

1970 - 2060 LeoThe term Cosmobiology as most frequently used in the English language, refers to the school of astrology founded

by Reinhold Ebertin. Cosmobiology expanded into medical astrology, Dr. Ebertin being a physician.

In cosmobiological analysis, planets are inserted into a special type of horoscope

often referred to as a 'Cosmogram' (derived from the Uranian 90° dial chart) and

delineated.

The primary reference/research text for Cosmobiology was first published in 1940

by the German astrologer Reinhold Ebertin. The name of the book is The

Combination of Stellar Influences.

hanks Linda, I happened to be checking myself as you were. Here's a few more interesting facts:

The 90 degree dial methods were developed by a German astrologer/surveyor named Alfred Witte, based on ancient techniques and

concepts regarding midpoints. Witte was an enemy of the Third Reich whose research/books were banned. His ideas were then

resurrected by Reinhold Ebertin (without the Trans-Neptunians), a German astrologer/physician, who put an extensive amount of

work into Medical Astrology correlations.

Both Witte (midpoints/dial paradigm) and Johndro (Geodetic Equivalents) committed suicide.

Witte's book that inspired Ebertin was titled Rulebook of Planetary Pictures.

k, let's move forwards. You now have the 90 degree dial. The first thing to do is to stack all the Cardinal, Fixed, and Mutable signs on

top of one another. So starting at 0 degrees put the sign Aries at the very bottom of the rung as illustrated in the example

cosmogram that I attached before. Then add Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn which should now be on the top rung. Do exactly the same

for the Fixed and Mutable signs. The Fixed signs are placed at the 30 degree mark, and the Mutable ones at the 60 degree mark.

The next step is to place your natal planets in the cosmogram. For example, if you have Mars at 10 degrees of Aries you would place

that exactly at the 10 degree Aries mark in the cosmogram: just like in the example cosmogram provided. So go ahead and place all

of your planets in your cosmogram. You will now have a complete cosmogram of your natal planets. Do not include your natal Sun.

You can include the S.Nodes of your Venus, Mercury, Mars, and your Moon.

Before we move on let me know if any of you have questions of these steps.

God Bless, RadI have been following along and just getting to filling out the map and the dial. For the fixed and mutable planets I

assume we just treat the 30 degree mark on the dial for the fixed planets the same as the 0 degree point for cardinal. Meaning we

start at 30 degrees for 1 degree of Leo, and so on for all the fixed planets. Then with the mutable planets, we start at 60, but count

1-30 for the mutable planet placements.

I hope this makes sense. So just checking I have it right.

In the cosmogram:

- all the Aries, Cancer, Libra & Cardinal planets will be in the 0 - 30 degree section

at their actual degree of the sign they're in.

- all the Taurua, Leo, Scorpio & Aquarius planets will be in the 30 - 60 degree

section but with 30 degrees equalling 0 degree (of the sign they're in) up to 60

degrees equalling 30 degrees (of the sign they're in).

e.g. Saturn at 21 Leo would be at 51 degrees on the dial, Jupiter at 11 Aquarius

would be 41 degrees on the dial

- all the Gemini, Virgo, Sag & Pisces planets will be in the 60 - 90 degree section

but with 60 degrees equalling 0 degrees (of the sign they're in) up to 90 degrees

equalling 30 degrees (of the sign they're in)

e.g. Saturn at 12 Gemini would be at 72 degree on the dial, Jupiter at 2 Sag would

be at 62 degrees on the dial and Chiron at 21 Picses would be at 81 degrees on

the dial.

If that is all correct then I'm ready for the next step.

thanks very much,

Upasika

So we have now arrived at the final steps in using geodetic equivalents on the world map combined with the development of the

cosmograms. So all of you should now placed your natal planets and the S.Nodes of Mercury, Moon, Venus, and Mars in your personal

cosmogram.

The next step is then to take the cosmo dial and place it at the center of the cosmogram. In the example cosmogram that I attached

earlier you will notice that Mars is at 10 degrees of Aries. You will also notice that the arrow at 0 degrees of the cosmo dial is pointed

at that Mars. On either side of the 0 degrees you will notice increments of 5 degrees each on either side of that 0 degree marker. And

the opposite end of the 0 degrees is the 45 degree marker. To develop your personal cosmogram you will want to note the planets

that connect together at the various five degree segments on either side of the 0 degree marker. So in our example cosmogram you

will notice that Jupiter is at the 15 degree marker on the left side of the 0 degree marker, and that Venus is also at the 15 degree

marker on the right side of the 0 degree marker that is always the reference point in developing these cosmograms.

You will also notice that Saturn is at the 45 degree marker relative to that 0 degree reference point. In combination this Saturn,

Jupiter, and Venus now create a cosmogram with Mars at the top. I have attached an example of what this cosmogram would look

like. If there were other planets that connected at the other segments points on either side of the 0 degree reference point they

would also be included in creating the total cosmogram. In other words if there was a planet at the 25 degree marker on both the left

and right sides of the 0 degree reference point they would then also be part of the cosmogram.

The next step in our example cosmogram is to place the signs on it. So since Mars in Aries is at the top of our cosmogram we mark

that as Aries at the top. Then referring the the Ages and their sub-ages we go the Aries age and note the 90 year segment in time for

that Mars. Then we look for the Libra 90 year segment within that Age because Jupiter is in Libra at part of the cosmogram. Then we

note the 90 year segment for Gemini because Venus is in Gemini as part of that cosmogram. And then Capricorn because Saturn is in

Capricorn as part of the cosmogram.

This example is then used to develop all of your personal cosmograms where you place the 0 degree marker, reference point, at each

of your planets or nodes in your personal cosmogram. And when you notice other planets that connect to it via the segments on

either side of that marker, as in our example, you then start creating a cosmogram for them.

When you are done developing all of your cosmograms then refer back to the Ages and the sub-ages with the 90 year segments in

time to note the time frames for all the planets, and the relevant nodes.

When all of you understand how to do this then we will move on to what it all may mean. If you have questions of course on how to

do this please ask.

God Bless, and good luck ! RadHi Rad, is there an orb for these? So if the Venus from you example was at 18 and the Jupiter at 11

both relative to Mars, would they apply?

hanks for that question. I forgot to mention the orb thing. This is open to investigation or further research but I have used two degree

orbs in my own work. So in the example that is being used with Mars that would mean if Jupiter were at the 17 degree mark on the

left side, and Venus were at 13 degree mark on the right side, then they would qualify for being tied into the cosmogram.

God Bless, RadI just joined the message board Saturday and am so appreciative to have discovered this topic almost immediately.

Thank you Rad for your service and education here, and thanks to all of you for making this such a vibrant forum as I've begun to

explore in other threads.

I have questions about planets which are conjunct or which are square and thus aligned in the Ebertin chart (e.g. Pluto 4 Libra,

Saturn 4 Cancer). Does one create a separate cosmogram for each planet? If so, is the conjunct/aligned planet then listed in the top

position and calibrated according to the Age of the sign of the planet whose cosmogram it is? (i.e., using the e.g. above, for Pluto's

cosmogram, Pluto's timeframe would be Libra Sub-Age/Libra period, and Saturn's would be Libra Sub-Age/Cancer period; for Saturn's

cosmogram, Saturn's timeframe would be Cancer Age/Cancer period, and Pluto's would be Cancer Age/Libra period; then all the

branches of the two cosmograms would have the same planets, but calibrated to Cancer Age periods for Saturn cosmogram and Libra

Sub-Age periods for Pluto cosmogram).

Secondly, when conjunct or aligned planets occur in another planet's cosmogram, should they be listed on the same branch even if

they are in different signs?

Thank you, looking forward to learning more.

God bless,Just to clarify: there must be planets/nodes on both sides of the reference planet's dial at equal markers in order to be tied

into the cosmogram (Venus 15 degrees on one side, Jupiter 15 degrees on the other)? We wouldn't tie Venus at 15 degrees on one

side into the cosmogram of Mars (0 degrees) if the opposite 15 degree marker is empty because we're talking about midpoints. Is

this correct?

Thanks

Hi Rad,

In my SN Venus cosmogram, Mercury (on the one side) aspects 2 planets (on the

other side)

of the marker. Do I include both, as shown in the draft below?

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Linda »

No, it's not done this way. Each planet or S.Node is used, one by one, at the top of

the pointer in the cosmo dial to develop their own cosmo grams. Thus, your

S.Node of Venus is at the top in the example you have sent. You would not be

including your Mercury in Cap in this cosmo gram or your Venus in Cap or your

S.Node of Mercury in Cap. Each of these would have their own cosmo gram. When

such points are conjunct within the natal birth chart you can also put all of them at

the top of your cosmo gram and then create the cosmo grams that other planets

are linked too, i.e. your S.Node, Uranus in Leo, and S.Node of Mars in Sagittarius.

In the cosmo gram you shared you also have the wrong 90 year segment for

Mercury, Venus, and S.Node of Mercury in Cap. That 90 year segment is 7,660 to

7,570. You have these listed for the Aquarius 90 year segment: 7,570 to 7,480.

God Bless, Rad

Then we look for the Libra 90 year segment within that Age because Jupiter is in Libra at part of the cosmogram. Then we note the 90

year segment for Gemini because Venus is in Gemini as part of that cosmogram. And then Capricorn because Saturn is in Capricorn

as part of the cosmogram.

I want to clarify.

Mars is in Aries, and since we are creating a cosmogram for that Mars, all of the subages will be listed as Aries subages? IE Mars

would refer to the Aries subage of Aries, Venus the Gemini subage of Aries, and so on... ?

Thank you.

I want to offer a helpful tool I've been using with this practice. On solar fire, when you enlarge the chart you are looking at, click on

"reports" on the right, and then "midpoint tree". It will give you all the mid points from the point of view of any planet.

So if you are constructing any particular cosmogram you can check the work you are doing with the wheel by referring to the

calculations. If your using a 2 degree orb, you'd have to fix the settings on the right side.

Rad, I notice that we are not working with any of the ages before the Leo age. Why is that? Would it also be applicable, for example,

to construct a Libra cosmogram for the actual age of Libra (which would have been a LONG time ago- as opposed to the Libra subage

of the Aries age)? Thank you.

Ari Mosheust want to clarify .. if a planet at the top of a cosmogram is in a sign that isn't listed as an Age in the list of Ages &

subAges you posted eg Sagittarius, Capricorn, then we use its subage of the Age it occurs in as it's "Age". For a planet in Cap at the

top of the cosmogram that would be Cap subage of the Cancer Age, for a planet in Sag at the top it would be the Sag subage of the

Gemini Age (5,500 - 4,420 BC).

Then for planets on branches of the cosmogram we look for the period they refer

to in that subage eg. for a planet in Sag at the top, a planet on a branch in say Leo

would be 4,780 - 4,690 BC.

Is this corect? (looking now at Linda's seems that's the way she has done it, so

guess I'm asking the same question)

Thanks Upasika

I feel clear as well Rad, but don't mind if we linger so that everyone is up to speed.Without knowing your birth chart I can't know if

the cosmo grams you have created are correct. Can you send me the degrees of the planets and nodes you have in Capricorn ? I

could do a quick check then to make sure you have got it right.

Rad, here are the degrees of my Capricorn planets and nodes:

{2½ deg orb used}

Venus 3.51 deg Cap

Mercury 13.52 deg Cap

S Venus 8.59 deg Cap

S Mercury 5.37 deg Cap

If the cosmograms are correct, then I'm ready to move forward. Thanks for

checking.

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Linda »


{2½ deg orb used}

Venus 3.51 deg Cap





checking.


Linda »


{2½ deg orb used}

Venus 3.51 deg Cap





checking.


Linda »

Ok, we have come to a place now where you can take your personal cosmo grams and place them within your personal geodetic

world maps. If you refer back to our original example cosmo gram where we used Mars in Aries to develop that cosmo gram this

would then correlate to the astrological zone of Aries: from 0 degrees East, to 30 degrees East. In this cosmo gram this would then

mean that there were four specific prior lives in that zone relative to the 90 year segments within that cosmo gram.

So you can not apply your own personal comso grams to your personal geodetic world maps in this way. So go ahead and do this. If

you have any questions please ask.So to clarify, with that particular cosmogram, the soul has incarnated in that region during these 4

specific times:

2260-2170

1720-1630

1450-1360

2080-1990

1. Are these just 4 lifetimes, or is it more accurate to say that these are the 4 time periods within which incarnations took place (ie

perhaps 2 lifetimes took place within 2260-2170)?

2. I see that we are using the Mars in Aries cosmogram as referring to the region of Aries in the geodetic map. If this were a Mars in

Libra cosmogram, then we would look at the Libra region in the geodetic map?

3. I have more q's, however if there are more steps you are yet to share with us, I will hold off on asking them and let the process

unfold.

Thank you.

Ari Moshe

Quick questions:

1. We're not using asteroids in our cosmograms?

2. If there were another planet in your example... Jupiter is in Libra at the

opposite point in the cosmogram from Venus in Gemini. If we also added Mercury

in Virgo at the same spot as the Venus in Gemini, does that Mercury count as a

separate lifetime because it will clearly have a separate time period even though it

is at the same point as Venus in the cosmogram?

Mars/Aries

Jupiter/Libra Venus/Gemini

Mercury/Virgo

Saturn/Aquarius

3. What if Mercury were in Gemini conjunct Venus? They would both have the

same sub-sub Age, and therefore the same time period. Would Mercury still be a

separate lifetime from Venus even though they are conjunct and operative during

the same time frame? (This may relate to Ari's first question)

Thank you Rad.

taf


Taf »

o to clarify, with that particular cosmogram, the soul has incarnated in that region during these 4 specific times:

2260-2170

1720-1630

1450-1360

2080-1990

1. Are these just 4 lifetimes, or is it more accurate to say that these are the 4 time periods within which incarnations took place (ie

perhaps 2 lifetimes took place within 2260-2170)?"

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These are four time periods within which incarnations took place.

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2."I see that we are using the Mars in Aries cosmogram as referring to the region of Aries in the geodetic map. If this were a Mars in

Libra cosmogram, then we would look at the Libra region in the geodetic map?"

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Yes but it would also correlate to the Aries zone as well because of the natural cross that exists within it: Libra, Cancer,

Capricorn within the Aries Zone.

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God Bless, RadQuick questions:

1. We're not using asteroids in our cosmograms?"

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No. But it is certainly possible to do so. But then you would have to

determine which one's 'count', so to speak, and which one's don't.

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2."If there were another planet in your example... Jupiter is in Libra at the

opposite point in the cosmogram from Venus in Gemini. If we also added Mercury

in Virgo at the same spot as the Venus in Gemini, does that Mercury count as a

separate lifetime because it will clearly have a separate time period even though it

is at the same point as Venus in the cosmogram?"

Mars/Aries

Jupiter/Libra Venus/Gemini

Mercury/Virgo

Saturn/Aquarius

3. "What if Mercury were in Gemini conjunct Venus? They would both have the

same sub-sub Age, and therefore the same time period. Would Mercury still be a

separate lifetime from Venus even though they are conjunct and operative during

the same time frame? (This may relate to Ari's first question)"

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If there is enough degree of separation between the two then it may be a

situation where you could also create cosmograms for each relative to

the other planets within the cosmogram. Typically when there are two or

more planets at the same point in time within a cosmogram this will

correlate to more than one life in that time.

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God Bless, Rad

So then in the example you provided, the Mars in Aries cosmogram, would those 4 time periods also have occurred within the Libra,

Cancer and Cap zone, as well as the zone indicated by the house placement of that natal Mars? Thank you."

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Yes, if and only if those other planets also had their own cosmograms that correlated to those zones. So if that Saturn

in Cap has it's own cosmogram with Saturn on the top that then connects to other planets to form a cosmogram then it

would then correlate to that Capricorn zone. Etc.

God Bless, RadReferring to the example below, I have a question: In the Capricorn tally, in the time period between 7,570 - 7,660,

various Capricorn archetypes recur a total of 16 times. Is there some way I can narrow this down?

Thank you - this is quite exciting!

i Linda,

First decrease your orb .... to two degrees. When JWG taught this stuff he always

said use one degree. In my own work I have used two. So try that to see if that

narrows it down some. Also, JWG never used the S.Nodes of Venus, Mercury, or

Mars. Looking at what you sent that seems to be one of the reasons that you have

so many in that year because of the links to the S.Nodes of those planets. So if

you take them out see what you have then.

The other thing to remember when this sort of duplication comes up is that it CAN

mean a situation where the Soul has had early life endings and immediately

desired to rebirth: a Soul can come back as early as seven days after a physical

death.

God Bless, Rad

p.s. Are you still interested in that Planetary Node thread ?

hank you for this information.

I have two questions.

1. In the case of a planet whose cosmogram includes only itself, i.e. there are no "branches" because it is not at the Ebertin

midpoints of any other planets or planetary nodes -- is this still considered a referent, but just for one lifetime? For example, my

Uranus in Libra is alone in this way (Uranian irony noted!). Would this correlate to a single lifetime in the Libra period of the Libra

Sub-Age?

2. With regard to the location of past lives, I didn't track clearly your answer to Ari's question. My question also feels hard to

articulate but here goes: Is it accurate to say that, just as all lifetimes described in a particular planet's cosmogram occur within the

Age/Sub-Age of that planet's sign, that all lifetimes in that planet's cosmogram also occur within the geodetic zone of the lead

planet's sign, cross-signs, or house position? So for instance, for my cosmogram for South Node in Cancer in the 12th house, would

all lifetimes indicated by the planets in that cosmogram have taken place in the Cancer, Aries, Libra, Capricorn, and/or Pisces zones?

3. If my satement at the end of question two is accurate, is there any way of narrowing the places further? Such as, is there a

"home zone" among those five possibilities that all those lifetimes might be found to occur in? And within the zones, might the

degree of the signs provide more specific locational info?

Thank you again!

God bless,

JasonHi Rad,

Hoping this is correct.

Hello Rad (et al)

It is exceedingly generous of you to share this information with us, a big heartfelt thanks...

"Typically when there are two or more planets at the same point in time within a cosmogram this will correlate to more than one life

in that time."

Question: so, does that mean if there is only one planet at any one point, that that indicates only one life, as opposed to 2 planets

correlating to more than one life (meaning 2 lives, or 2 and possibly more?) at that time? Or is what you have said not that literal?

"Also, JWG never used the S.Nodes of Venus, Mercury, or Mars."

Question: Just to clarify - as I understand it then, you would not use the south nodes of Venus, Mercury, Mars as the apex/top of the

cosmogram? But you would use them in the cosmogram?

Question: What is the differentiation between nodes and planets in reference to the cosmogram? I would think that a south node

reference (or whatever planet you are looking at) would indicate a prior life reference link – is this south node indicating a life that

came before, and by looking to the ruling planet for it’s cosmogram which could be in another region or time we would find the link?

What is the link then? Would this suggest an immediate prior life? What other information could we surmise from finding a south node

of some planet as a part (not the top/apex position) of the cosmogram?

Question:

What exactly does it mean when you have a planet at the top of cosmogram and a planet at the bottom? Is there any added

significance - for this position - and from cosmograms that do not have this setup?

If there is simply a planet at a top position and a planet at the bottom position (just 2 positions) – is this a cosmogram?

Is there a way to tell how fast one might reincarnate? It is easy to surmise that the Uranus/Pluto conjunction indicates a quick

turnaround, and that such aspects as Saturn/Pluto indicate a lengthier pause between lives. In this regard, is there more specific info

that we can gain from studying these cosmograms?

Lastly, in general do the planets correlate to the Ages, Subages, etc.? For example, Pluto is a 248 year transit – multiplied, that’s

close to an Age. Uranus is an 84 year transit, that is close to a 90 year period. What about Saturn, etc?

I hope my questions are clear...

Thank you,

Blessings

Rose

I have two questions.

1. In the case of a planet whose cosmogram includes only itself, i.e. there are no "branches" because it is not at the Ebertin

midpoints of any other planets or planetary nodes -- is this still considered a referent, but just for one lifetime? For example, my

Uranus in Libra is alone in this way (Uranian irony noted!). Would this correlate to a single lifetime in the Libra period of the Libra

Sub-Age?"

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The cosmograms, according to JWG, correlate to specific prior lifetimes that the Soul is actively drawing upon relative to

the current EA purposes of any given Soul. With your Uranus not being part of an actual cosmogram this would correlate

to one of two phenomena. One is that your Soul is drawing upon the collective experiences of a generation of Souls, all

with Uranus in Libra, who have had direct experiences in those areas of the world that, in totality, affect your own

individual EA purposes for your current life. The other possibility is one wherein you did have prior lives in those places

yet are not directly linked to the current EA purposes of your life other than the generational sub-group who all have

this Uranus in Libra. This entire sub-group thus acts in their own individual ways relative to the evolutionary needs and

intentions for the entire planet relative to drawing upon the collective imprint from those times being brought forwards

into this time.

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2. " With regard to the location of past lives, I didn't track clearly your answer to Ari's question. My question also feels hard to



planet's sign, cross-signs, or house position? "

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Yes, IF those other planets within the cosmogram also have their own cosmograms linked to the their respective

astrological geodetic zones. The house position of any given planet does of course correlate with a geodetic astrological

zone, like your Uranus in Libra, yet unless such planets also have their own cosmogram they must be treated in the way

as explained above relative to your Uranus in Libra.

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"So for instance, for my cosmogram for South Node in Cancer in the 12th house, would all lifetimes indicated by the planets in that

cosmogram have taken place in the Cancer, Aries, Libra, Capricorn, and/or Pisces zones?"

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Yes ..............

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3."If my satement at the end of question two is accurate, is there any way of narrowing the places further? Such as, is there a "home

zone" among those five possibilities that all those lifetimes might be found to occur in? And within the zones, might the degree of the

signs provide more specific locational info? "

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This is something that JWG tried to determine for some time. It came down to somehow being able to determine the

latitude of places relative to the geodetic zones. In combination this would then lead to something like a cross hairs on

the world maps for those specific prior lifetimes. The last part of this total geodetic technique that he tested for nearly

30 years remained one of those 'loose ends' that he continued to work with to the very end of his career.

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God Bless, Rad"Typically when there are two or more planets at the same point in time within a cosmogram this will correlate to more

than one life in that time."

Question: so, does that mean if there is only one planet at any one point, that that indicates only one life, as opposed to 2 planets

correlating to more than one life (meaning 2 lives, or 2 and possibly more?) at that time? Or is what you have said not that literal?

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It could be two or more. This same thing can be seen when a specific 90 year segment of time within a cosmogram is

repeated more than once, as in Linda's case.

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"Also, JWG never used the S.Nodes of Venus, Mercury, or Mars."

Question: Just to clarify - as I understand it then, you would not use the south nodes of Venus, Mercury, Mars as the apex/top of the

cosmogram? But you would use them in the cosmogram?

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You are free to use them or not. In my own work I have found them to be very useful and accurate relative to prior

lifetimes that the Soul is drawing upon relative to the current life EA purposes. So if you do use them they are used for

the apex of a cosmogram, as well as within the trees of a cosmogram.

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Question: What is the differentiation between nodes and planets in reference to the cosmogram? I would think that a south node

reference (or whatever planet you are looking at) would indicate a prior life reference link – is this south node indicating a life that

came before, and by looking to the ruling planet for it’s cosmogram which could be in another region or time we would find the link?

What is the link then? Would this suggest an immediate prior life? What other information could we surmise from finding a south node

of some planet as a part (not the top/apex position) of the cosmogram?

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All of the astrological symbols used in these cosmograms, planets and nodes, correlate to prior lifetimes. All prior

lifetimes are 'linked' in one way or another.

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Question:

What exactly does it mean when you have a planet at the top of cosmogram and a planet at the bottom? Is there any added

significance - for this position - and from cosmograms that do not have this setup?

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There is no added significance for the purposes of determining prior lifetimes that connect to the EA purposes of the

current life. Ebertine, who developed these cosmograms had nothing to do with any of this. His cosmograms were for

psychological purposes. Thus, a planet at the apex in opposition to a planet at the end of the tree would be very similar,

psychologically speaking, to an opposition aspect in a normal 360 degree zodiac.

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If there is simply a planet at a top position and a planet at the bottom position (just 2 positions) – is this a cosmogram?

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Yes ................

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Is there a way to tell how fast one might reincarnate? It is easy to surmise that the Uranus/Pluto conjunction indicates a quick

turnaround, and that such aspects as Saturn/Pluto indicate a lengthier pause between lives. In this regard, is there more specific info

that we can gain from studying these cosmograms?

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Not from the cosmograms themselves other than what has been stated so far, i.e. two or more planets in tandem within

or on top of a cosmogram, the overlapping of 90 year segments within cosmograms. In the end, all of this must be

referred and linked to the totality of the natal horoscope of any given Soul in order to answer those kinds of questions.

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Lastly, in general do the planets correlate to the Ages, Subages, etc.? For example, Pluto is a 248 year transit – multiplied, that’s

close to an Age. Uranus is an 84 year transit, that is close to a 90 year period. What about Saturn, etc?

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No, the planets do not correlate with the Ages and sub-ages. The phenomena of Ages in general of course is Saturn,

Capricorn, and the 10th House: the phenomena of time.

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God Bless, Rad

I haven't had time to go over the last couple of steps, will try and get some time over the two or three days and will get back then if I

have any questions. But it shouldn't be a problem if everyone else is ready to go ahead, I'm sure I'll be able to catch up OK.

hank you to each of you for the input of knowledge that you write on this forum.

I have been following this thread with fascination, still learning, so I hope my questions are acceptable.

first I will give some info regarding my question.

venus/moon conj 1/2 deg orb Sag, conj moon SN in Sag, 9 deg orb, all in 4th house, ruled by scorpio.

I have the cosmogram here and there are very few planets involved, but one that seems to repeat, i.e. the venus/moon conj.

I realise that all past lives (cosmograms) are linked.

if my understanding is correct the 1/2 deg orb would make this a new phase aspect, and being so close to the moon SN, would be a

fruition/relive/both.

my question is: if this is a new phase why would it be repeating so much, 4 times in only 5 cosmograms?

Also is there any way from the cosmogram to tell if this could be fruition, or relive.

I guess this question would be directed to Rad.

many thanks.

love to all,

Jane First the function of these cosmograms is linked to phases at all. Phases and the issue/dynamic of fruition, relive, etc is linked to

the normal 360 degree zodiac. Second is is necessary to know the actual degrees of your Moon and Mercury to know if that

conjunction is a New Phase conjunction, or a Balsamic phase conjunction. Relative to their conjunction with your S.Node as the

dynamics of relive or fruition can not be know from just these symbols themselves. The very nature of your life will of course tell you

which one, or both, or in affect.

God Bless, RadI do have another logistical question: I have Moon in Scorpio exactly opposite Mars in Taurus, so they are at the same

point in the Ebertin dial. Like my Uranus in Libra mentioned above, they do not sit at any midpoints or opposite another planet on

the dial. However, do the two of them, "conjunct" on the dial, count as 0 cosmograms (in which case each planet interpreted in

collective terms as you have described above), 1 cosmogram (if so, which one is the "lead" and why), or 2 cosmograms (i.e. a Taurus

Age lifetime series with Taurus and Scorpio periods, and a Scorpio Sub-Age lifetime series with lifetimes in the Scorpio and Taurus

periods)?

God bless,

JasonHello Rad,

Thank you for your time.

I feel that all phases be they 360 degs or Cosmogram are linked. They, altogether

in some way form the present incarnation we are experiencing.

The phase, as stated is Venus/Moon New Phase conj, ½ deg orb, not Mercury. Am

I missing something here regarding the mention of mercury? Just in case, more

info.

Moon 3 Sag 07*, Venus 2 Sag 29 *, Mercury 26 Scorpio 53 *.

Moon/Venus conj new phase, ½ deg orb. Moon/Venus-mercury conj, balsamic

354 deg orb.?

I am in Spiritual state, and I am a teacher and healer.

I thank you for your time and help.

I will trust my intuition to give me my answer.

Love to all,

Jane

Jason: " With regard to the location of past lives, I didn't track clearly your answer to Ari's question. My question also feels hard to



planet's sign, cross-signs, or house position? "

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Rad: Yes, IF those other planets within the cosmogram also have their own cosmograms linked to the their respective

astrological geodetic zones. The house position of any given planet does of course correlate with a geodetic astrological

zone, like your Uranus in Libra, yet unless such planets also have their own cosmogram they must be treated in the way

as explained above relative to your Uranus in Libra.

Rad,

Just making sure I understand you properly.

From the example above, the Venus/Cap cosmogram has been duplicated and transferred to its Capricorn cross-zones: Libra - Aries -

Cancer. From there, ONLY those planets that are ALREADY in that geodetic zone that also appear in the Venus/Cap cosmogram are

valid (ticked).

Question: Looking at the LIBRA geodetic zone and specifically to Pluto/Leo and Uranus/Leo, that zone now contains all of these

periods:

190 - 280

Pluto/Leo

190 - 280

Pluto/Leo

190 - 280

Uranus/Leo

6,940 - 7,030

Pluto/Leo

6,940 - 7,030

Uranus/Leo

Just not sure how to interpret all of these dates (time periods). From the above, I gather 3 lifetimes were lived between 190 - 280

BC (perhaps early deaths) correlating to the Pluto/Leo and Uranus/Leo archetypes, and 2 lifetimes lived between 6,940 - 7,030 BC

correlating to the Pluto/Leo and Uranus/Leo archetypes.

Am I on the right track? If I am indeed on the right track, I will have to update the world map to include all the cross-zone planets/

periods.No, this is not correct. I see your confusion because of how I answered Jason's question. I misread his question:

" Is it accurate to say that, just as all lifetimes described in a particular planet's

cosmogram occur within the Age/Sub-Age of that planet's sign, that all lifetimes in

that planet's cosmogram also occur within the geodetic zone of the lead planet's

sign, cross-signs, or house position?"

The answer to this should have been no. I am really glad you caught this Linda.

Many time when I come to our message board it is quite late at night after I have

done much work. Sometimes I miss things like this. In any case the answer is no

to that question. Sorry to all who got confused by this.

God Bless, Rad

First, please see my answer to Linda concerning my misreading of one of your last questions. Sorry for my mistake. Second, there is

no further steps in these geodetic equivalents.

God Bless, RadOne thing that JWG postulated and taught about these various cosmograms is that whatever planets are involved in

the cosmograms, each one, correlated to the core archetypes in the consciousness of the Soul that were the bottom lines in each of

the lives symbolized by those cosmograms. So in the original example that I posted it would mean those four planets were the active

archetypes in the life of that cosmogram.

God Bless, RadWhat do you mean by "life of that cosmogram"? Does a single cosmogram, and the planets therein, have a specific

function of wholeness? What I mean is: does the lead planet have any sort of baseline meaning, other than Age/Sub-Age, whereby

the other planets in that cosmogram are then related to the lead planet? I've been wondering about this for a while but think I

missed the explanation somehow.

Since the basis for these cosmograms is the lead planet being located at the

midpoint to other planets which come later in time...In our example, Mars is the

lead planet in the cosmogram. It is at the midpoint of Jupiter & Venus. Would

Jupiter & Venus, because of this and because they come AFTER Mars in terms of

generic time (Mars = 2,260-2,170BC / Venus = 2,080-1,990BC / Jupiter =

1,720-1,630BC) be interpreted in relation to Mars? As though something from the

archetype and life experiences concentrated in that Mars has been carried over

into the Jupiter & Venus lives...something that must also correlate to the

evolutionary signature of the current life, and yet specific to Mars? Or does all

interpretation still arise from the natal chart?

I'm also still confused about the purpose of the crosses within each Geodetic Zone.

And why we correlated the initial planets in our natal chart, by house specifically,

to these zones when later the lead planets of a cosmogram are located specifically

to the zone of their sign? What does it mean in terms of Geodetic equivalents,

say, if my Mars in Aries is located in the 3rd House in my natal chart? At first we

correlated it to all the different zones (Gemini for 3rd House, Aries for sign, and

then Libra, Cancer, Capricorn because of the cross within Aries), but then after the

cosmograms have been made that Mars gets locked, so to speak, in its own Aries

zone. And then if Mars is linked in another planet's cosmogram it is also located in

that planet's zone of sign.

I know I must be missing something right in front of me, but could you explain

again why we did all the different zone correlations in the beginning before the

cosmograms were made?

Much appreciated,

taf

I too appreciate your generosity in sharing this information.

About my earlier question which seemed to create confusion, my apologies.

Although you had answered "incorrectly" I did get it clearly I think thanks to

others' questions.

If I have understood correctly, lifetimes described by a planet, no matter whose

cosmogram they are contained within, always occur in either their geodetic sign

zone, cross sign zones, or house zone. Is this correct?

To test this understanding, I would like to try an example. This is the Venus

cosmogram of a chart I am working on:

Venus in Leo (5th)

|

Moon in Libra (6th) -- Uranus in Sagittarius (7th)

Both the Moon and Uranus have their own cosmograms and therefore "count" if I

have understood correctly. So, this cosmogram shows the following connected

lifetimes which the current Venus reflects and draws from in the accomplishment

of its evolutionary intentions:

Based on Venus, a lifetime or lifetimes occurred in:

10,900-10,810 (Leo Age, Leo Period) in any of the Fixed zones.

Based on the Moon, a lifetime or lifetimes occurred in:

10,720-10,630 (Leo Age, Libra Period) in the Cardinal zones and/or the Virgo zone

(6th house).

Based on the Uranus, a lifetime or lifetimes occurred in:

10,540-10,450 (Leo Age, Sagittarius Period) in the Mutable zones and/or the Libra

zone (7th house).

Is this correct?

God bless,

Jason

I have two more questions I have encountered in another chart I am working on.

1. When one side of a cosmogram branch is a planet which does not have a cosmogram of its own, what happens to the planet on

the other side of the branch?

For example:

Uranus

|

SN ---------- Saturn

For the purpose of this example, let us say that the Saturn does not have a cosmogram of its own, but the South Node does. Then

for this Uranus cosmogram, I understand that the Saturn will not be considered a lifetime or lifetimes referent either, but what about

the South Node on the other side? Is it still used even though its branchmate is not?

2. What happens when none of the planets in a planet’s cosmogram have cosmograms of their own? So to use another example:

Pluto

|

Moon ------------------ Saturn

Let’s say that the Moon and Saturn are the only branches on this Pluto cosmogram. However, both Moon and Saturn do not have

cosmograms of their own. I understand that this means that in this cosmogram neither the Moon nor Saturn refer to specific periods

or zones in which lifetimes occurred. But does Pluto still represent a time period and geographic zones in which specific incarnations

occurred, or is it now treated as a planet without a cosmogram since its cosmogram branches don’t “count”? And if it is now treated

as a planet without a cosmogram, would it then also not be “counted” on the cosmograms of other planets?

Thanks again, God bless,

Jason

Hi Jason,

What do you mean by "life of that cosmogram"? Does a single cosmogram, and the planets therein, have a specific function of

wholeness? What I mean is: does the lead planet have any sort of baseline meaning, other than Age/Sub-Age, whereby the other

planets in that cosmogram are then related to the lead planet? I've been wondering about this for a while but think I missed the

explanation somehow.

Since the basis for these cosmograms is the lead planet being located at the midpoint to other planets which come later in time...In

our example, Mars is the lead planet in the cosmogram. It is at the midpoint of Jupiter & Venus. Would Jupiter & Venus, because of

this and because they come AFTER Mars in terms of generic time (Mars = 2,260-2,170BC / Venus = 2,080-1,990BC / Jupiter =

1,720-1,630BC) be interpreted in relation to Mars? As though something from the archetype and life experiences concentrated in

that Mars has been carried over into the Jupiter & Venus lives...something that must also correlate to the evolutionary signature of

the current life, and yet specific to Mars? Or does all interpretation still arise from the natal chart?

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Excellent question and one I should have addressed yesterday. Sorry for being remiss. In our example cosmogram Mars

in Aries in the lead planet because it is at the top of the cosmogram. For the life that that Mars connects too it should be

treated as the 'lead' planet for that life, the core archetype or bottom line upon which the other planets in that

cosmogram contribute as core archetypes for that life. With Saturn at the opposite point of Mars this should be seen as

correlative to an opposition to that Mars in that life, and the Jupiter and Venus as squares to both Mars and Saturn. In

total all four of those planets thus correlate to the core archetypes of that life where Mars is the lead: like an ascendant.

So this would be the life symbolized as between 2,260 to 2,170.

The next 90 year segment within that cosmogram connects to Venus: 2,080 to 1,990. Now we will make Venus the lead

planet for that life, as if it is on top. This then puts Jupiter at the bottom, and Mars and Saturn to each side.

The next 90 year segment within that cosmogram connects to Jupiter: 1,720 to 1,630. Now we will make Jupiter the

lead planet for that life, as if it is on top. This then puts Venus at the bottom, and Mars and Saturn to either side.

The next 90 year segment within that cosmogram connects to Saturn: 1,450 to 1,360. Now we will make Saturn the lead

planet for that life, as if it is on top. This then puts Mars at the bottom, and the Jupiter and Venus to either side.

You can see in this way of understanding the cosmograms that the archetypes involved came full circle through the

progression of the lives as symbolized in our Mars cosmogram linked with the Aries geodetic astrological zone, and the

natural cross of the other signs within it.

This is the exact procedure to follow for all of the cosmograms.

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I'm also still confused about the purpose of the crosses within each Geodetic Zone. And why we correlated the initial planets in our

natal chart, by house specifically, to these zones when later the lead planets of a cosmogram are located specifically to the zone of

their sign? What does it mean in terms of Geodetic equivalents, say, if my Mars in Aries is located in the 3rd House in my natal

chart? At first we correlated it to all the different zones (Gemini for 3rd House, Aries for sign, and then Libra, Cancer, Capricorn

because of the cross within Aries), but then after the cosmograms have been made that Mars gets locked, so to speak, in its own

Aries zone. And then if Mars is linked in another planet's cosmogram it is also located in that planet's zone of sign.

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It means exactly what you have answered yourself here in terms of the correct geodetic procedures to use.

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I know I must be missing something right in front of me, but could you explain again why we did all the different zone correlations in

the beginning before the cosmograms were made?

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It's a combination of methods relative to geodetic equivalents who intention is to demonstrate the prior lifetimes upon

which the Soul, in total, is drawing upon relative to it's evolutionary intentions. </

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God Bless, Rad

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