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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT

HANSARD NO. 187

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MIXED VERSION

MONDAY 20 MARCH 2017

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKERThe Hon. Gladys K. T. Kokorwe MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKERThe Hon. Kagiso P. Molatlhegi, MP Gaborone South

Clerk of the National AssemblyDeputy Clerk of the National AssemblyAg. Learned Parliamentary CounselAssistant Clerk (E)

- Ms B. N. Dithapo - Ms T. Tsiang - Ms. B. Morolong - Mr R. Josiah

CABINET

His Excellency Lt. Gen. Dr. S. K. I. Khama PH, FOM, DCO, DSM, MP.

- President

His Honour M. E. K. Masisi, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Vice President

Hon. Dr. P. Venson-Moitoi, MP. (Serowe South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation

Hon. S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti North) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. N. E. Molefhi, MP. (Selebi Phikwe East) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Hon. S. Kgathi, MP. (Bobirwa) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security

Hon. O. K. Mokaila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Transport and Communications

Hon. P. M. Maele, MP. (Lerala - Maunatlala) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services

Hon. E. J. Batshu, MP. (Nkange) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs

Hon. D. K. Makgato, MP. (Sefhare - Ramokgonami) - Minister of Health and Wellness

Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. (Serowe West) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism

Hon. V. T. Seretse, MP. (Mmopane - Lentsweletau) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry

Hon. O. K. Matambo, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development

Hon. T. Mabeo, MP. (Thamaga - Kumakwane) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development

Hon. T. Olopeng, MP. (Tonota) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration

Hon. Dr. U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Basic Education

Hon. P. P. Ralotsia, MP. (Kanye North) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. Dr. A. Madigele, MP. (Mmathethe - Molapowabojang) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology

Hon. S. Kebonang, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security

Hon. D. P. Makgalemele, MP (Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP (Serowe North) - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. B. M. Tshireletso, MP. (Mahalapye East) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. F. S. Van Der Westhuizen, MP. (Kgalagadi South) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. M. M. Goya, MP. (Palapye) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP (Shashe West) - Assistant Minister, Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology

Hon. T. Kwerepe, MP (Ngami) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration

Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. I. E. Moipisi, MP (Kgalagadi North) - Assistant Minister, Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services

Hon. G. B. Butale, MP (Tati West) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry

MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party)

Hon. S. M. Guma, MP Tati East

Hon. C. De Graaff, MP Ghanzi South

Hon. L. Kablay, MP Letlhakeng - Lephephe

Hon. M. N. Ngaka, MP Takatokwane

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP Boteti East

Hon. J. Molefe, MP Mahalapye West

Hon. K. Markus, MP Maun East

Hon. P. Majaga, MP Nata-Gweta

Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP Francistown West

Hon. B. H. Billy, MP Francistown East

Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP Chobe

Hon. B. Arone, MP OkavangoHon. M. R. Reatile, MP Specially ElectedHon. B. J. Kenewendo, MP Specially Elected

OPPOSITION

(Umbrella for Democratic Change)

Hon. Adv. D. G. Boko, MP (Leader of Opposition) Gaborone Bonnington North

Hon. G. S. M. Mangole, MP Mochudi West

Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP Francistown South

Hon. A. S. Kesupile, MP Kanye South

Hon. N. S. L. M. Salakae, MP Ghanzi North

Hon. Maj. Gen. P. Mokgware, MP Gabane-Mmankgodi

Hon. Dr. T. O. M. Mmatli, MP Molepolole South

Hon. S. Ntlhaile, MP Jwaneng -Mabutsane

Hon. M. I. Khan, MP Molepolole North

Hon. H. G. Nkaigwa, MP Gaborone North

Hon. I. J. Davids, MP Mochudi East

Hon. N. N. Gaolathe, MP Gaborone Bonnington South

Hon. S. Kgoroba, MP Mogoditshane

Hon. Dr P. Butale, MP Gaborone Central

Hon. Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Goodhope - Mabule

Vacant Tlokweng

(Botswana Congress Party)

Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP Selebi Phikwe West

Hon. S. O. S. Rantuana, MP Ramotswa

(Independent Member of Parliament)

Hon. T. Moremi, MP Maun West

TABLE OF CONTENTSSECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION

OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 20 MARCH 2017

CONTENTS PAGE (S)

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER............................................................................................................1 - 8

Appropriation (2017/2018) Bill, 2017 (No. 2 of 2017)Organisation 2100 - Industrial Court

Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate)....................................................................................................9 - 16

Organisation 2200 – Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture DevelopmentCommittee of Supply.................................................................................................................................17 - 40

Organisation 2300 - Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing DevelopmentCommittee of Supply.................................................................................................................................40 - 42

TABLING OF PAPERS

Statutory Instrument No. 17 of 2016: Customs and Excise Duty (Amendment of Schedule) (No. 2) Notice, 2016................................................................................................9

Statutory Instrument No. 18 of 2016: Customs and Excise Duty (Amendment of Schedule) (No. 3) Notice, 2016...........................................................................9

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWERMonday 20th March, 2017

Monday 20th March, 2017

THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m.

(THE SPEAKER in the Chair)

P R A Y E R S

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

TOTAL NUMBER OF VACANT POSTS IN THE MINISTRY OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT

MR M. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development to state:-

i) the total number of vacant posts in his Ministry and to provide the break down by Departments and Districts;

ii) the total number of temporary employees engaged to acquire experience; and

iii) the challenges that cause delay in filling in these vacant posts.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): The total number of vacant posts in my Ministry is 163 and the breakdown by Departments and locations at the Districts is as follows:

DEPARTMENT NO. OF VACANCIES DISTRICTS

Corporate Services 11 All in Gaborone

Occupational Health and Safety 2 1-Gaborone1-Selebi Phikwe

Madirelo Training and Testing Centre

3 All in Gaborone

Labour and Social Security 31 4-Lobatse5-Selebi Phikwe9-Gaborone1-Mogoditshane2-Tsabong1-Jwaneng2- Sowa2-Kasane1-Molepolole1-Serowe1-Geneva1-Letlhakeng1-Francistown

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Skills Development 116 3-Kang4-Marobela4-Ghanzi3-Zwenshambe4-Shakawe3-Gaborone3-Letlhakane1-Marapong4-Kasane2-Phitshane4-Tonota2-Mosetse6-Molepolole2-Shoshong2-Tutume11-Bobonong9-Serowe1-Mochudi5-Gabane6-Kanye1-Nkange4-Ramotswa2-Moshupa4-Gumare3-Lobatse2-Senyawe3-Mahalapye5-Tlokweng1-Takatokwane4-Nswazwi3-Gweta3-Matsheng2-Lerala

TOTAL 163

ii) My Ministry has engaged a total of 95 temporary employees to address the manpower needs and acquire experience.

iii) Mr Speaker, the challenges faced in filling the vacant posts in my Ministry are as follows:

a) A total of 116 out of 163 vacancies were inherited from former Ministry of Education and Skills Development when the ministries were re-organised in October 2016. These vacancies can only be transferred to my Ministry in the next financial year (2017/2018). Pending the transfer of vacancies by the Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), my Ministry remains unable to fill the vacancies;

b) For the remaining 47 out of the 163 vacancies, 13 have been advertised, and three (3) have been offered for occupation. This leaves a total number of 31 vacancies, which my Ministry is currently unable to advertise due to budget constraints. The advertisements will resume in April 2017; and

c) In some instances, it takes too long to fill some vacancies as some candidates turn down offers of appointment to posts tenable outside their preferred locations. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: Supplementary. Minister, the information that you have just shared, is it not public knowledge? Is it not part of some public document called an Establishment Register or you have stopped keeping that?

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MR MOLEFHI: It is possible Mr Speaker that this information could be part of the information available in the public domain. The vacancies in ministries are not disaggregated in a manner that I have just tabulated. It just provides a global picture of where the vacancies exist. But like I said, part of the problem is that these vacancies are those that come from former Ministry of Education and Skills Development and have not become part of the integrated human resource profiling of our Ministry. Therefore, in the new dispensation as the new financial year begins, we shall incorporate these in our manpower registers and that would become part of what is available. Thank you Sir.

PROGRESS MADE ON FOOD RATIONING TO STUDENTS AS A SECOND MEAL AT KHWEE

PRIMARY SCHOOL

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development:-

i) to state progress made on food rationing to students as a second meal during the day at Khwee Primary School;

ii) what caused the sudden stoppage of this practice which was beneficial to the Rural Area Development Programme students who are not housed in the school hostel;

iii) whether it is true that this sudden stoppage affected the performance of the said school; if so,

iv) when he will consider resuscitating this practice as a remedial programme to the situation as is now; and

v) what duties have been assigned to the council employee who was preparing the second meal at this school.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker,

(i) My Ministry has resumed provision of second meal to Khwee Primary School pupils effective 8th February 2017 following temporary suspense. Currently all 25 primary schools in the Boteti Sub-district including Khwee Primary School have been supplied with additional food commodities to facilitate provision of second meal which will last up to the end of June 2017.

(ii) Provision of second meal was briefly suspended following the passing on of the temporary employee who was engaged to prepare their second meals. However, arrangements have since

been made to use available kitchen staff to prepare first and second meals.

(iii) There are many factors that could affect students’ academic performance. We therefore cannot ascertain that the unavailability of second meal affected their performance, as ours is supplementary feeding.

(iv) As I have already indicated, provision of second meal has been restored effective 8th February 2017 and will be continued until the end of June 2017. To ensure that the supplementary feeding programme is carried out more efficiently, my Ministry will further decentralise procurement of staple food items of samp, sorghum and beans to the Local Authorities effective 1st April 2017.

(v) As I already explained As already explained, the employee who was engaged temporarily for additional kitchen work is late. Thank you.

SHORTAGE OF WATER AT KHUDUMELAPYE VILLAGE

MR N. M. NGAKA (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services:-

i) if he is aware that the people of Khudumelapye village drink and cook using;

a) water from the pond in the middle of the village;

b) the borehole which is contaminated by nitrates and was long rejected by the Department of Water Affairs; and

ii) when the two (2) boreholes were identified to rescue water shortage.

MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MAELE): Mr Speaker,

(i) I am not aware that people of Khudumelapye village drink and cook using water from the pond or from any contaminated borehole. Notwithstanding, I am aware that there is supply deficit of 80 cubic per day in the village due to the decline in the yield of boreholes in 2015. Currently, bowsing can only avail 40 cubic a day. In the meanwhile, a borehole has been identified that needs to be equipped. We are in consultation with the owner of the identified borehole to sign a Memorandum of Agreement of Lease.

(ii) The two (2) boreholes identified are part of the Malwelwe-Botlhapatlou wellfield which its

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development was completed in 2008. In total, there are twelve (12) boreholes in the wellfield. This wellfield was developed to augment supply to Molepolole, Thamaga and Thebephatshwa. Only six (6) boreholes were connected to supply the target areas in 2014.

At the time, the Khudumelapye borehole yield was continually declining. In 2015 a decision was made to use 2 of the remaining 6 boreholes in Malwelwe-Botlhapatlou wellfield to supply Khudumelapye.

(iii) Plans are underway to equip the 2 identified boreholes in Malwelwe-Botlhapatlou wellfields. Projects design phase to equip the boreholes is budgeted for under 2017/18 financial year and construction phase will be budgeted to start after completion of the project design. Thank you Mr Speaker.

WATER LEAKAGES AT PHILLIP MOSHOTLE PRIMARY SCHOOL

MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development:-

i) what is being done to address water leakages at Phillip Moshotle Primary School for the past five (5) years;

ii) how much has been spent in water bills for this primary school since 2012; and

iii) if he is aware that teachers are also experiencing the same water leakages; if so, who is expected to pay for such water leakages at teachers’ quarters.


(i) my Ministry has been using in-house crew and handymen through the Gaborone City Council to address water leakages at Phillip Moshotle Primary School for the past 5 years. To date, there has never been a major leakage in the school’s sub water system to warrant major maintenance. My Ministry continues to prioritise measures to cut on the water loss due to leakages as part of its maintenance response through both outsourced and in-house maintenance crew; and in some institutions through the handymen programme as and when faults are reported by the users and/or tenants.

(ii) Mr Speaker, the total amount paid to Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) for Phillip Moshotle Primary School from 2012 to 2016 is P2 724 579.98.

(iii) I am alive to the fact that where there is plumbing, there is bound to be leakages. School teachers as tenants and the sole occupants of Council houses allocated to them, teachers have a responsibility to routinely inspect and note any unusual variations of the meter readings and report the same to Water Utilities Corporation or Gaborone City Council for assessment and corrective action. It is therefore the responsibility of tenants to pay for bills due from any unreported water loss, and of course being the only person who has full access to all fittings within and outside the rented premises at all times to note such leakages and faults. Thank you.

DR P. BUTALE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Minister, are you aware of the full extent of this problem because primary schools in Gaborone, many of them in my constituency, experience these water leakages that are reported, and the response is just appalling. They never respond on time and the teachers are then left with this burden. Are you happy with the response turnaround time from the various authorities that you have just mentioned?

MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Speaker, when I got the response from GCC, I then made a follow up to check on the response, and they assured me that the response is adequate. If there are any further problems with the response time, then I can still make a follow up on that.

TOTAL NUMBER OF VACANT POSTS IN THE MINISTRY OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN

TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY

MR M. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security to state:-

i) the total number of vacant posts in his Ministry and provide the breakdown by departments and districts;

ii) the total number of temporary employees engaged to acquire experience; and

iii) the challenges that cause delay in filling in these vacant posts.

ACTING MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOLALE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

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(i) The Ministry has 45 vacancies out of a total establishment of 522 posts. These vacancies are broken down as follows:

Headquarters; that is here in Gaborone - 23

Department of Mines in Gaborone – 14

Department of Mines in Francistown – 1

Geological Survey which has transitioned, but at the time of transitioning which is in Lobatse – 2

Department of Energy in Gaborone – 5

(ii) Presently there are no temporary employees engaged by the Ministry for purposes of acquiring experience.

(iii) The general trend where experienced personnel especially in the mining and engineering fields tend to prefer to work for the private sector hence making the filling of vacant posts very, very slow. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR REATILE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re gongwe Tona a re thuse gore mme ka gore Puso e dule ka lenaneo la gore re rotloetse gore re tseye internship officers mo maphateng a a farologanyeng, le temporary employees, ministry wa gago ke eng fa o sa obamele taelo e ya Puso?

MR MOLALE: Thank you Mr Speaker. The general trend has been that across Government, there is slow uptake of this; and I am answering this wearing another hat. What we have agreed is that we are now going to cause ministries to take up more of these interns. Currently, there is work led by Honourable Kgathi and Honourable Olopeng to also see ways of how to improve that uptake and how to strengthen policy in that regard. We do hope that this will improve in the ultimate. Thank you.

PROGRESS MADE ON THE SELF HELP HOUSING AGENCY (SHHA) 2004/2006 BENEFICIARIES IN LETLHAKANE

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to state the:-

i) progress made on the Self Help Housing Agency (SHHA) 2004/2006 programme beneficiaries who are paying for loans without houses being built in Letlhakane;

ii) number of people affected; and

iii) when they will be attended to and how.


(i) following the misappropriation of Self Help Housing Agency (SHHA) funds at Boteti Sub-District Council, there has been some delays in resolving the matter due to protected criminal investigations by the relevant authorities. The Council has since taken the decisions to consult the concerned beneficiaries with a view to either stop the loan requirements and/or subsequently refund them or enrol them into the programme.

(ii) There are 68 beneficiaries affected by the above.

(iii) The Council will conclude the matter by the 30th April 2017. Thank you.

ISSUANCE OF PRACTISING CERTIFICATES BY THE REGISTRAR OF THE HIGH COURT

MAJ. GEN. P. MOKGWARE (GABANE-MMANKGODI): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security:-

i) if he is aware that attorneys who have been enrolled to practice take months to be issued with their practising certificates by the Registrar of the High Court; and

ii) what should be the turnaround time for issuance of the same soon after an attorney has been admitted to the Bar by the High Court.

MR SPEAKER: Anybody acting for Honourable Kgathi?

…Silence…

MR SPEAKER (MR MOLATLHEGI): You are very late Honourable Kgathi.

MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR KGATHI): My apologies for coming late.

i) Mr Speaker, Section 30 (1) of the Legal Practitioners Act (Cap 61:01), puts an obligation on the Registrar to issue a practising certificate to a legal practitioner within seven(7) days, provided the attorney applying for the certificate meets the set requirements as set out in the Act. However, I am aware that there are instances where it takes longer to issue practising certificates, where the attorney has not paid his/her annual subscription fee or in cases of first time applicants who fail to produce a certificate of pupillage.

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ii) Mr Speaker, the turnaround time for the issuance of a practising certificate once an attorney has been admitted is seven days as stipulated in Section 30 (1) of the Legal Practitioners Act. Therefore any deviation from the set requirements amounts to non-compliance to service standards. I thank you Mr Speaker.

MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Honourable Minister, are you saying that there are no delays in cases where the attorney has fully complied with the requirements? Is that what you are saying?

MR KGATHI: No, that is not what I am saying. Unless you have a particular case that you can bring forward to me. As I said when concluding, our service standards are set out gore you should do it within seven days. So anything that has gone beyond that, amounts to non-compliance with our service standards. So please come out, tell me of any particular case so that we can solve them.

MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Honourable Minister, are you saying it is the first time for the Registrar to hear that there are people who are complaining about non-compliance with that particular turnaround time which you have just said, of seven days?

MR KGATHI: No Sir! That is not what I am saying.

MR NTLHAILE: Further supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, Tona o a bo a simolotse. Kana potso e e tlhamaletse fela gore Tona fa a tla go araba fa, a bo a itse gore kwa lephateng la gagwe go diragala eng. Now we have a Minister who is sleeping on duty. O tshwanetse gore a itse gore ba kae ba e leng gore ga ba a kgona go ba thusiwa ka nako, e seng go tla go re bolelela ditsiabadimo fa.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, Honourable Ntlhaile ke ne ke rile gongwe o ka arabiwa, jaanong you are completely out of order. O re dietse nako. Ke ne ke re gongwe o a botsa kante o mo go a sele. Honourable Kgathi, you do not need to answer him.

VACANT POSITION OF SOCIAL AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER IN

KHUDUMELAPYE

MR N. M. NGAKA (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development if he is aware that there is no Social and Community Development officer in Khudumelapye; if so, how does this affect service delivery to the people.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker, I am

aware that Social and Community Development Officer position became vacant in September 2016 when the officer was transferred somewhere else. Since that time the village has been serviced by an officer from Letlhakeng who visits the village on Wednesdays and Thursdays every week.

An officer was recently transferred from Maboane to Khudumelapye in February 2017 and was introduced to the community on the 17th March 2017. The absence of an officer has not adversely affected service delivery as there was an officer giving service two days a week in the village, an arrangement that will continue for smooth handover. Thank you.

NUMBER OF VACANT POSTS AT BOTSWANA POWER CORPORATION (BPC), MINERALS

DEVELOPMENT COMPANY BOTSWANA (MDCB), BOTSWANA OIL COMPANTY AND

BOTSWANA GEOSCIENCE INSTITUTE

MR M. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security to state:-

(i) the number of vacant posts in the following organisations;

a. Botswana Power Corporation (BPC);

b. Minerals Development Company Botswana (MDCB);

c. Botswana Oil Company; and

d. Botswana Geo Science Institute;

(ii) the total number of temporary employees engaged by the above mentioned organisations to acquire experience, if any; and the breakdown per organisation;

(iii) the period of the longest vacant post; and

(iv) the challenges that cause delay in filling in these vacant posts.

ACTING MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOLALE): Thank you Mr Speaker and thank you Honourable Butale. Mr Speaker, I wish to state the following with respect to the question:

i. Total number of vacant posts at

a. Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) is 253

b. Minerals Development Company (MDCB) is 17

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c. Botswana Oil Company (BOL) is 5

d. Botswana Geo Science Institute (BGI) is 183. But it is a process that is commencing because they are transitioning from being Geological Surveys to this new institute. As a result only one post for Chief Executive Officer (CEO) has been filled and 16 posts so far have been advertised and interviews are on-going.

ii. Total number of temporary employees, by the above organisations, engaged to gain experience are:

ORGANISATION TOTAL NUMBER

a. BPC 54

b. MDCB 3

c. BOL 2

d. BGI 0

NOTE: The numbers exclude those on Government Internship and on Tirelo Sechaba

iii. The longest vacant post by organisation is as given below:

ORGANISATION TOTAL NUMBER

a. BPC 83 months

b. MDCB 38 months

c. BOL 6 months

d. BGI 3 months

iv. The challenges, by organization, that cause delay in filling the vacant posts are given below:

ORGANISATION

a. BPC i. Some vacancies are not filled because they are being forfeited, for the following reasons:

a. Their non-existence in the new structure due to optimization of resources through the organisational and methods review exercise.

b. Management decision to outsource some functions, making those posts redundant

c. Management deciding to hold out on some recruitment due to the impending restructuring exercise that I alluded to above.

b. MDCB i. Some vacancies were only to be recruited for after the directors for those functions were appointed.

ii. Candidates turned down our job offers due to non-competitive remuneration packages, and uncertainty surrounding the company.

iii. The company wanted to have some of the positions analysed and evaluated. The MDCB strategic plan will be reviewed once the company strategy and operational structure has been agreed to by the MDCB Board and approved by the shareholder. This process will most likely see the number of vacancies being reduced or restructured.

iv. The company took deliberate decisions not to fill some of the positions and rather use consultants on a needs basis, for a number of years, before filling the vacancies.

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c. BOL i. Very minimal delays have been experienced; the recruitments are staggered intentionally to respond to business needs and affordability.

d. BGI i. While the recruitment process is ongoing, the Institute is awaiting the approval of the remuneration structure by the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR REATILE: Supplementary. Mr Speaker, a Tona kgang ya gore mo lephateng la gagwe diphatlha tse dingwe di bo di kgonne go nna 83 months di sa tladiwe, o bona golo mo go siame fela mo Batswaneng ba e leng gore ba mo lenyoreng la go tlhoka go tsenya diatla? A karabo e tota fa e tsena mo ditsebeng tsa bone o bona seemo se tlaa siama fela?

MR MOLALE: Thank you Mr Speaker. That is an untenable and unacceptable situation and we do accept that. That is why we deliberately went to Government or Cabinet to request for a serious restructuring of BPC because there were identified leakages, inefficiencies and the like. That is why the current CEO is working hard to make sure that all these negative consequences as a result are being dealt with. I thank you Mr Speaker.

STATUS OF A RURAL AREA DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME HOSTEL CONSTRUCTED IN MMATSHUMO

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development:-

(i) to apprise this Honourable House on the status of a Rural Area Development Programme hostel constructed around the year 2000 in Mmatshumo village;

(ii) how much was spent to construct the building;

(iii) who authorised construction of the hostels;

(iv) which company carried out the works;

(v) why the building was never occupied for intended use after handing over;

(vi) when the handover was done;

(vii) if it is appropriate that the building is currently used by a certain church and not serving the purpose for which it was built; and

(viii) how much is paid as rent and to who.

Later Date.

PLANS TO HAND OVER THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE INDUSTRIAL COURT TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

MAJ. GEN. P. MOKGWARE (GABANE-MMANKGODI): asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development:-

(i) if he has any plan to hand over the administration of the Industrial Court to the Administration of Justice and thus the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security which has the mandate to administer other courts; and

(ii) whether this will not ensure that the appointment of Judges is done by an independent panel like the Judicial Service Commission and avoid the current secretive selection and appointment of these Judges.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Mr Speaker,

i) Relocation of departments and agencies of Government are dependent on restructuring and rationalization of Government functions. There are currently no plans to restructure my Ministry, hence no plans to hand over the Industrial Court to the Administration of Justice.

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ii) Mr Speaker, the process of appointing Judges to the Industrial Court is transparent. It involves open advertisements and interviews by a panel of Judges appointed by the Judge President. Subsequently the Judge President makes recommendations for appointment to His Excellency the President. I thank you Sir.

INCORPORATING THE KGARE/SEBOTSWANE SETTLEMENT TO DITSHEGWANE VILLAGE

MR N. M. NGAKA (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to update this Honourable House on incorporating the Kgare/Sebotswane settlement to Ditshegwane Village.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Mr Speaker, Kweneng District Council held a Kgotla meeting with the community of Kgare and Sebotswane settlement on the 24th October 2016 to consult the community on the prospect of incorporation. Subsequently it is anticipated that the District will deliberate through structures and make a recommendation to my Ministry. Thank you.

TABLING OF PAPERS

The following papers were tabled:

STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO. 17 OF 2016: CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT

OF SCHEDULE) (NO. 2) NOTICE, 2016.

(Minister of Finance and Economic Development)

STATUTORY INSTRUMENT NO. 18 OF 2016: CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT

OF SCHEDULE) (NO. 3) NOTICE, 2016.

(Minister of Finance and Economic Development)

APPROPRIATION (2017/2018) BILL, 2017 (NO. 2 OF 2017)

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE

(CHAIRPERSON in the Chair)

ORGANISATION 2100: INDUSTRIAL COURT

(Resumed Debate)

MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOLATLHEGI): Honourable Members, you will recall that last week Thursday you collapsed the quorum just before the Minister could present. Now as a result of that we have only allocated forty-five (45) minutes for the Industrial

Court. The Honourable Minister will present for fifteen (15) minutes and two Members will debate for twenty (20) minutes and I will give him the last ten (10) minutes to respond. I will further call him to respond to the debate at 15:20 hours today and I will put the question at 15:30 hours. Honourable Minister, you have fifteen (15) minutes.

MR KEORAPETSE: Point of procedure. Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke botse gore ga se gore Business Advisory Committee ke yone e ka bong e tsere tshwetso ya gore go diragala eng ka kgang ya nako. Ke lebile gore decision ya gago Mr Chairperson is arbitrary and disadvantageous to Members of Parliament.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Nnyaa, e e tshwanang le e ke ya rona kwa ofising gore re e baakanye, re fetse le yone. Whether Members are disadvantaged or not is an issue for another day. Fela le ka gakologelwa gore quorum e bolailwe ke Honourable Members. Re batla gore ka di 27 tsa ga March re bo re fetsa Appropriation Bill.

MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Point of procedure. Nnyaa, ke a go utlwa Chairperson, but this thing I do not know whether it is a punishment of some sort, because you do have other alternatives either of increasing the time rather than reducing it. Now what was compelling the Honourable Chairperson or your office to actually reduce the time instead of increasing it, to compensate for the loss of time on Thursday, like we always do? I know that we always save time, but you never say no since we have saved time in this ministry or this particular department now we are still going to cut that. What was really driving you to come to this forty-five (45) minutes? In my opinion I do not think this forty-five (45) minutes is enough, having only two Members of Parliament to speak. Now it becomes like a process which we just want to meet. We just want to fulfil a process not actually doing the subject matter.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Mokgware, ga se punishment, ga e ka ke ya nna punishment, time management; I would prefer it to be called that way, ka gore le a itse gore Committee of Supply is timed in accordance with our Standing Orders. Fa le ka ela tlhoko maloba ke sone se le boneng the supplementaries di tsenngwa ka a Business Motion to extend our sitting. Jaanong this one is specifically timed, malatsi a teng a badilwe ke molao wa lona, ga re ka ke ra o tlola. Jaanong ke kopa gore le se ka la tswelela ka go ja nako ya debate, re tsweleleng re fetseng kgang. Ke dumela gore le a lemoga gore dilo ka bontsi ga di re berekele fa re sa sa le tsamaiso ya rona morago. O kare fa re le kwa General

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Assembly, we can have longer time to deliberate on these matters, ra bona gore fa go ntse jaana tota le eletsa gore go diragale jang.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Mr Chairperson ke a leboga, before I delve into the detail presentation, I want to bring the attention of colleagues to the correction of Page 2 and in particular Paragraph 2 of my presentation. You have been provided with single paper Page 2 for purposes of the corrected version. Mr Chairperson, allow me to present for consideration to this Honourable Committee the Industrial Court budget as proposed for the financial year 2017/2018. Allow me to further briefly outline some of the activities which relate to the core business and mandate of the Industrial Court that were carried out in the financial year 2016/2017. Mr Chairperson as at 31st December 2016 a total of 5, 239 cases were pending before courts out of which 1, 957 were registered in 2016…

MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of procedure. Tota ke ne ke re ka boikokobetso ke kope Tona gore ka pampiri re sale re e tshwere, re e badile, gongwe o ye fela kwa mogatleng gore gongwe re tle re nne le nakonyana ya go ka latlhela tlhware legonyana. Tota yone re e badile, over and over again.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, ga go na yo o ka ganetsanang le wena Honourable Keorapetse. Ke dumela gore Tona o a dumalana, he will summarise it a bo a feleletsa

MR MOLEFHI: Mr Chairperson, I am sympathetic but I do not think I have to summarise further the summary that is before this Honourable House.

Mr Chairperson, as at 31st December 2016, a total of 5 239 cases were pending before the courts, out of which 1 957 were registered in 2016 alone and 3 279 brought forward from previous years. Out of those that were brought forward 346 are considered backlog as they were more than 24 months old. Out of the 346 cases 12 are pending from 2004 to 2009 (2004-1, 2005-1, 2006-1, 2007-4, 2008-1, 2009-4). One hundred and thirty-two (132) cases were pending judgements as at 17th January 2017, whereas 209 cases are at different stages of case management.

Mr Chairperson, in an effort to reduce or eliminate delays in conclusion of cases by the Courts, several initiatives have been introduced. These include Case Management Reforms, and review of the Rules of Court which were completed in 2016/17. The Court Rules were provided in Braille as I trust this will go a long way in reducing

the margin of inconvenience often experienced by the category of our clients with compromised sight.

More initiatives are planned for financial year 2017/18 to enhance and improve systems for timely delivery of justice and more especially to address critical issues for case disposal. These are in the areas of Execution of Court Orders and Case Records Management Systems (CRMS). The use of manual systems of case management has resulted in the Court operating in an archaic and less productive environment. CRMS will be expected to positively impact on management and disposal of case records.

Mr Chairperson, regarding access to Justice, it is worthy to note that as at the year 2012 to date, the Court operates 2 Divisions in Gaborone and Francistown, with a total complement of nine (9) Judges; seven (7) in Gaborone and two (2) in Francistown.

The Court also operates Circuit Courts in other areas of Maun, Palapye, Selebi Phikwe, Kanye, Ghanzi, Letlhakane and Kasane to enhance its visibility and services. The Court has plans to expand to Maun and Selebi Phikwe. In 2016/17 the Court successfully procured premises in Selebi Phikwe and Kanye. These premises are old buildings which were previously used by other Government institutions. The Selebi Phikwe structures will be refurbished in 2017/18 financial year. In Maun, the Court rents premises, and full occupation is expected to be completed in 2017/18 financial year.

Mr Chairperson, the Trade Disputes Act 2016 has amongst other things, empowered the Office of the Registrar to directly manage and dispose some cases coming before the Court. These changes are expected to improve the turnaround time for cases referred to the Industrial Court.

The Industrial Court plans to find innovative ways to enhance access to justice through the use of electronic systems. A project on production of judgments in electronic form is at an advanced stage, and expected to commence in May 2017. Furthermore, in June 2017 the Court will commence the use of Short Message System (SMS) to communicate with clients. This initiative will assist to keep clients informed on the business of the Court, including notification of the outstanding documents to be filed, dates of hearings, judgment dates, and dates for collection of payments.

RECURRENT AND DEVELOPMENT BUDGET 2016/17

Mr Chairperson, I wish to give progress on the previous financial year’s expenditure, that is, the 2016/17 financial year.

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The expenditure on the Recurrent Budget stood at Thirty-One Million, Seven Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand and Four Hundred and Thirty-Six Pula (P31,798,436) against a budget allocation of Forty-Two Million, Five Hundred and Six Thousand and One Hundred and Ten Pula (P42,506,110), representing an expenditure rate of 75 per cent.

Expenditure on the Development Budget stood at Five Hundred and Three Thousand and Four Hundred and Five Pula (P503, 405), against a budget allocation of Five Million, Nine Hundred and Eighty-Five Thousand Pula (P5, 985,000), giving an expenditure rate of 8 per cent. It is regrettable that the Court could not utilise the funds according to the plan. The budgeted project of Local Area Network (LAN) overhaul could not be implemented as it was withdrawn at the instruction of the Department of Information Technology (DIT) Technical Team. The cabling of the Maun Division of the Court could not commence due to delays in the partitioning of the building, which was coordinated by the then Ministry of Lands and Housing.

RECURRENT BUDGET 2017/18

Mr Chairperson, I propose a Recurrent Budget allocation of Forty-Three Million, Forty Thousand and Five Hundred Pula (P43, 040,500).

DEVELOPMENT BUDGET 2017/18

Mr Chairperson, I submit a proposal for a Development Budget allocation of Eight Million, Four Hundred and Sixty Thousand Pula (P8 460,000).

CONCLUSION

In conclusion, Mr Chairperson, I now move that the sum of Forty-Three Million, Forty Thousand and Five Hundred Pula (P43, 040,500) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 2100, be approved and stand part of the Schedule of Appropriation (2017/18) Bill 2017, and that the sum of Eight Million, Four Hundred and Sixty Thousand Pula (P8 460,000) for Organisation 2100 under the Development Budget be approved and stand part of those estimates for the 2017/18 financial year. I move accordingly. Thank you Mr Chairperson.

MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson go bo o nneetse nako ya gore ke akgele mo kgannyeng e, e e botlhokwatlhokwa. Re a itse gore re tlhokana le Dikgotlatshekelo tse tsa dikgang tsa babereki. Re di tlhoka lefatshe le lotlhe, mme e bile re tlhokana le gore dikgang tse tsa babereki di tsewe tsia, e bile di dirwe ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang ka gore mongwe le mongwe o a itse gore fa o le mmereki,

thatathata ba dituelo tse di kwa tlase, tota botshelo jwa gago o bo beile mo mading a o a bonang kgwedi le kgwedi. Mo go rayang gore fa go ka nna le sengwe se se ka tsalang gore o se ka wa kgona gore o bone madi ao mo kgweding, o nna ka kwa mosing.

Gantsi bahiri ke batho ba e leng gore dikgang tse fa di isitswe kwa Dikgotlatshekelong tse tsa dikgang tsa babereki, tiro ya bone e a bo e tsweletse; dikgwebo tsa bone di a bo di tsweletse mo e leng gore ga ba tshwenyege go le kalo le fa moikuedi a isetse kgang teng kwa. Ba itse fela gore e ya go fetsa nako e ntsi e le gone koo, mo go felelang bangwe e le gore ba ne ba berekela mo mafelong a a kgakala le kwa ga bone, ba felela e le gore jaanong kwa ba berekelang teng kwa, ba tshwanelwa ke gore jaanong ba duele jone boroko jo e leng gore ba a bo ba bo hirisitse. Jalo kgang e ga e felele fela ka ene mmereki yo o ikuetseng, e ama matshelo a le ma ntsi Minister. Go tshwanetse gore go bo go na le nako e e tshwanetseng e supafale e bile e tlame Dikgotlatshekelo tse gore di bo di feditse dikgang tse mo nakong e e rileng.

Bangwe ba felela fa gongwe ka go tlhoka lesego e le batho ba ba bokoa, ba tshela ka one madi a gore kgwedi le kgwedi ba bo ba tlhoka thuso ya booki. Jaanong o ka ipotsa fela gore fa kgang e santse e tsweletse mme fa gongwe motho wa Modimo a dule mo tirong a ntshitswe ka mabaka a e leng gore tota fa go ka bo go ne go itlhaganeletswe gore a tle a thusiwe, ke mabaka a e neng e le gore o ka kgona gore a fenye kgang e, mme a bo a kgona gore a tswelele ka botshelo. Seemo se se ntseng jaana se dingalo Tona, se baya batho ka kwa mosing. Se rotloetsa gore batho ba se ka ba tsewa sentle mo madirelong ka tsholofelo ya gore mohiri o itse gore dikgang di sale di ile, motho a felele a itlhobogile. Yo mongwe a sa kgone le go bona le one madi a gore a palame a late Dikgotlatshekelo tseo, di le kgakala le kwa a nnang teng ka gore fa tiro e senyega, o simolola o rwala morwalo o boela gae. Kana ga o ka ke wa nna fela gone fa o letetse tsheko e o sa itseng gore e ya go fela leng. O a bo o dule mo ntlong e e hirisiwang, o a bo o dule mo lefelong le o berekelang mo go lone. Mma ke gatelele ntlha eo Tona gore a dikgang tse di fefosiwe, mme e bile gongwe go ka bo go na le sengwe se se tlamang gore go fitlhelela motho a bonwa phoso kgang e sekwa, go bonwe gore o ka tshela ka tsela e e ntseng jang jaaka re itse gore mo ditshetlaneng dingwe tsa pereko fa motho a ntshitswe mo tirong, o kgona gore a bo a ka thusiwa ka matsana a itshetso a santse a emetse tsheko. Jaanong le gone go ka bo go ntse jalo le mo Lekgotlatshekelong le gore fa motho a santse a emetse tsheko jaana, ka gore ga re itse gore e tlaa mo wela kgotsa ga e na go mo wela, go bo go na le sengwe (subsistence) e motho yoo a ka tshelang ka yone. Moo

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go tlaa tlama e bile go tlaa dira gore batho ba se ka ba ba koba batho go sena mabaka. Ba itse fela gore batho ba ba tlaa kgona gore go nne le sepe se ba tlaa se bonang.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Ke kopa tlhaloso. Ke ne ke re mme Tona a tlhalose gore a re madi a a subsistence a duelwa ke mang, ke mohiri ene yo go sekwang nae fa go santse go letilwe gore tsheko e fele?

MR TSOGWANE: Ee, ke ne ke e fa sekai fela ka mo Pusong, mo o fitlhelang e le gore fa motho a kobiwa fa gongwe o fitlhela e le gore go na le madi mo salary ya gagwe a a duelwang. Jaanong mohiri o tshwanetse gore a tlamege for survival le gore motho yo o na le dirente tse a di duelang, o tshwanetse go tlamega, jaaka fela Goromente a tlhola a dira go fitlhelela motho a bonwa molato. Ga go ke go fetswa fela motho a sa kgone go bona, go na le part of the salary. Jaanong a go tshwane fela le kwa bahiring, go se ka ga tsewa gore jaanong fa motho o batla go mo ntsha fela go sena mabaka o itse gore go tlaa tsaya dingwagangwaga, go santse go letetswe tsheko, e bo e le gore o dira fela ka lebaka la gore wena ga go na sepe se se ka go bayang kwa mosing o le mohiri.

Jaanong nna ke ne ke re kgang e e botlhokwa, e e beileng batho ba le bantsi ka fa mosing. Ke kgang e e paledisitseng batho ba bangwe gore ba tswelele ka ditsheko tsa bone ka mabaka a gore ba bokgala jo e leng gore ga ba na madi a ba ka palamang ka one ba ntse ba ya go ikuela kana kgang e santse e tsweletse. Ke ne ke re ke sengwe Tona se re tshwanetseng ra se lebelela. Ka mabaka a a kalo ke tle ke siele bakaulengwe metsotso e meraro e. Ke a leboga.

MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE (GABANE-MMANKGODI): Tanki Mr Chairperson. Le nna mme ke akgele mo kgannyeng e ya botlhokwa ya Industrial Court. Ke re kana mmereki kana Motswana mongwe le mongwe yo o berekang, o a bo a na le lebaka la gore ke eng a bereka, mme ga ke ka ke ka tsena thata.

Ke dumalane le mabaka a the Honourable Minister Tsogwane a ntseng a gatelela ka botlhokwa jwa gore ke eng re re ditsheko tsa batho di tsene ka pela. Kana gatwe justice delayed is justice denied. Jaanong fa mmereki a eme ka madinyana a itshetsang ka one ao, a bo a ema nako e telele, e bo e re fa e tshwanetse gore case ya gagwe e tsene, a ya go tsaya bo three (3) years. Gompieno fa o lebelela dipalo tse from bo 2004 go tla go tsena gompieno, ke dipalo fela tse o ipotsang gore Motswana yo o ntseng jaana, yo o saleng a ikuetse kwa o tshelela mo go eng? Gape motho o ka ipotsa gore tota fela se se tonatona se se dirang gore ditsheko di tseye

nako e e kanakana ke eng? Re a ne re utlwalela gape re bala golo gongwe, kana nako e nngwe ditsheko tse dingwe tse le fa di sena go nna di ntse di reediwa ke bone balaodi ba batona ba, di emela a written judgement. Le yone e bo e pala ka gore ba bangwe ba setse ba bua gore nako le nako mmereki o ya kwa a ya go botsa gore katlholo ya me e tsamaya fa kae. Go a twe, “nnyaa, ema fela jalo.” So, nako le nako ba ya kwa ba ya go botsa gore, judgement e kae, a e kwadilwe, nnyaa go fitlhelwa e le gore Judge ga a kwala judgement, motho a bo a ema. Jaanong go ema nako e telele, two (2) years gore case e tsene, o bo o tlaa o ema another two (2) years, Judge a ise a kwale judgement, ke dumela gore Minister selo se ga se selo se se letlelesegang.

Ke raya gore a ko le tsenye leitlho mo dilong tse ka gore gatwe Judge ga a ka ke a bodiwa gore ke eng a ise a kwale judgement. Ga se gone. Kana re bua ka batho ba tota ba sokolang jaaka o ne o utlwa Minister a bua gore ke motho a a bo a beile mo go one madi ao. A mangwe ke a ba yang bongakeng ka one. Jaanong fa re tlaa go ema dingwaga tse pedi re emetse judgement fela e le nngwefela, ga ke bone e le sone selo se se siameng tota, ke re ke kopa gore o lebelele selo se thata se.

MR KGOROBA: Clarification. Thank you Honourable Mokgware. Honourable Mokgware, ke gore o dumela gore Puso e e kgonang go fora batho ba le 5000 ba le kwa moepong, e ba raya e re e ya go ba duela for the next 18 months, e bo e re fa e tswa foo e bo e ja semenogane, a o tsaya gore ke Puso mme e e nang le bokgoni kana keletso ya gore e ka sekegela babereki?

MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Ee, rraetsho. Ke yone kgwetlho e ke reng babereki ba setse ba latlhegelwa ke tshepo mo Industrial Court. Mo e leng gore le fa o mo raya o re nnyaa, isa case teng kwa, o a ipotsa gore ke ya go ema dingwaga tse kae. Cases tsa batho ba ba yang kwa ke batho ba ba sa amogeleng sepe, security guards. Ba bangwe ke batho fela ba ba berekang mo teng ga mabentlele le filling stations. Jaanong ke gore fa o akanya a emetse madinyana a notice dingwaga tse nne tseo, tota fela ke selo se se maswe. Minister, ke kopa gore cases tse gotweng are pending tse, o ye go tlhotlhomisa gore tota di diiwa ke eng, ke bomang? Bogolo fa o ne o tla ka tsone Judges ka gore golo gongwe re belaela gore Judges tse ditona, bone ba ba eteletseng pele kwa, ke bone ba ba sa iseng cases kwa. Gongwe ba ba kwa tlase kwa ba a dira. Ke raya gore Judges tse ditona, bone ba ba eteletseng pele lekgotla le, o ya go fitlhela e le bone ba ba sa tsamaiseng ditsheko sentle, ke gore backlog ya bone e le ntsi, written judgements tsa bone. Ka gore fa re bala golo gongwe, kana re ntse re utlwa nako nngwe, re kile ra bona go ntse gotwe bangwe ba tsamaya ka cases di ka nna bo 44, ba bangwe di tsamaya bo 24. Jaanong ke re tlhotlhomisa lekgotla le thata rra, tsenelela mo go

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lone o bone gore ke eng cases di sa fele ka pela, ke eng judgements di sa kwalwe ka nako.

Sa bobedi ke batla go tsena mo khirong ya Judges tse tsa Industrial Court, ka gore that is very secretive, ga go supe independence. Ka gore jaaka Minister o ne o bala karabo mo wa re the Judge President ke ene a appoint Judges tse dingwe ba bo ba recommend kwa go Tautona. Ke eng go sa dirwe fela jaaka other courts? Ke raya gore re ka tsaya kae that independence ya gore the Judge President le ba a nang le bone, kana o kgona to appoint ditsala tsa gagwe fela gone foo gore banna, re tsaya Mokgware letsatsi leno fela fa, nnang fa le le bane le bo le tsaya ene fela. Ke dumela gore o kare tsamaiso e rraetsho ga e a siama. Ga e supe independence kana transparency. Ka gore gongwe re tloga re tsenela kwa teng re bo re go botsa gore letsatsi le nne go hirwa Judge so and so who were the panels ka nako ya teng? Gongwe go bo go tla go pala jalojalo. Jaanong ke sone se ke reng a re boneng gore the recruitment in this Industrial Court e nna transparent mo Motswana mongwe le mongwe a ka bonang. Ke a itse gore e nngwe post e dule gompieno jaana, mo e leng gore batho e tlaa re fa ba apply, dibeke tse pedi ba bo ba utlwa gotwe go setse go na le motho gone jaana. Jaanong ke kopa gore a golo moo go se ka ga nna teng, go se ka ga ba ga tla ra bona gape go se transparent jaaka re bona go diragala gompieno. Ka gore Batswana ba ba ntsi ba a ngongorega gore bone ga ba itse gore go hirwa mo, ga Judges tsa kwa di hirwa jang. This arrangement e o neng o e bala kgantele ele, nobody knows about it and it is not written anywhere, you see? Ke sone se re kopang gore a go nne le an Industrial Court Act, e e tlaa tlhalosang ka botlalo jaaka go na le Acts tse dingwe fela jaana. Go kgone go itsege gore tota diphiro kwa di tsamaya jang, tsamaiso ke eng.

Lephata le rraetsho, jaaka fela o bona cases tse di le di ntsintsi jaana, go a gakgamatsa ka gore accountability becomes a problem gone fa. Re kile ra bala golo gongwe e le gore gatwe mongwe wa Judges tseo o kolota cell phone P82 000.00, mme go bo gotwe a ntshe ten (10) per cent fela. Ke tshenyetso-setšhaba selo seo, cell phone charge ya kgwedi fela e le P82 000.00, motho go bo gotwe a ntshe ten (10) per cent.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: One (1) month?

MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Ee, one (1) month. Ga re itse, nnyaa, o tlaa tla o tlhola (chek) fa e le gore bone ga ba itse, mme ke raya gore o botse rraetsho. Tsamaya o ye go botsa, mme ke kopa gore jaaka o tshikinya tlhogo jaana, e re fa o tswa go botsa o bo o tla go bua mo teng ga Palamente o re nnyaa, ga go a nna jalo. Ee, ke raya gore ga se dilo tse di siameng tse di bayang lephata le sentle fela ka fa tshwanelong gore fa go nna jalo, go tlaa supa gore ga go a siama.

Go na le fa o kwadileng ka court ya kwa Maun ga ba ga buiwa gore e sale e ntse jalo. Se se gakgamatsang kana ke gore court e gatwe e sale ka e hirisitswe, e ya go bereka leng Minister? Ke gore fa re hira court re duela dirente mme go sena Judges teng kwa go raya jang? Kana jaanong go raya gore madi fela bontsi jaanong re duelela building fela jalo mme go sena sepe se se diragalang, ke Page three (3), the court has planned to extend the Maun and Selebi Phikwe, building e rentilwe gone koo. Jaanong ke gore ke eng go tsaya nako e telele Judges di seyo mme re ntsha madi a a kanakana? A e ne e sa re before go ya go identify building gone go bo go setse go baakantswe ditlamelo tsotlhe di le teng?

E nngwe ke ya gore nako le nako ke ntse ke bua ke re fa go dirwa dilo tse di tshwanang le courts kana ditlhabololo, re leba ntlha e le nngwefela fela. Ntlha ya bo Ghanzi ka fa ga re nke re leba teng. Batho ba tswa bokgakala kwa Ghanzi ba tla Industrial Court mo Gaborone kana ba ya Maun, that is a cost, re bua ka batho ba ba sa amogeleng sepe Minister, kana re tshwanetse gore re ise ditlamelo kwa bathong. Re dire gore motho a kgone gore fa a ikuetse a se ka a senyegelwa thata, a senyegelwa ke madi a mantsintsi go ya go bona thuso. Jaanong ba bangwe ba tswa kwa Ghanzi ba tla kwano, ba bangwe ba ya kwa Maun, mme le fa Maun a le botoka mme kana court ya kwa Maun, ga e ise le yone fela e bereke. Jaanong ke kopa gore dilo tse di ntseng jaana tse, re di lebelele, re di ele tlhoko, re bone gore tota fela mme a mmereki ene tota re mo sireleditse. Fela jaana o ne o utlwa Rre Tsogwane fa a bua jaana, go bokete mo go ba bangwe ka gore o a bo a emetse one madinyana a fela, a na le tsholofelo ya gore gongwe kgetsi ya gagwe e tlaa reediwa ka pela a tle a kgone go tshetsa bana ba gagwe. Ba bangwe re bua ka batho ba ba sekang compensation ya gore motho o a bo a golafaletse mo tirong. O a bo a tshela jang nako eo case ya gagwe fa e ise e tsene? Ke ne ke re ke tle ke eme gone fa Minister, o tle o tsibogele dikgang tseo.

MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson. Mma le nna ke tsene mo kgannyeng e ya Lephata la Industrial Court. Ke supe fela Modulasetilo gore, tota re na le mathata a a tlhatlaganeng. Re ya kwa Vision 2036, mme re ntse re tswa mo go Vision 2016. Mr Chairperson, fa o ka lebelela dipalo tsa the cases tse di fa pele ga Makgotlatshekelo, le wena o ka bona fela gore Batswana ba mo mathateng. Sengwe se tshwanetse gore se dirwe ka bofefo jo bo rileng.

Mr Chairperson, dipalo tse ka bo tsone, di a supa gore le rona re le Ntlo e e tlotlegileng ya Palamente, go tlaa re re dire sengwe, re dire nngwe phetogo e e ka thusang Batswana ba dikgetsi tsa bone di tsayang lebaka le dingwaga di sa fediwe, kana di sa sekwe, kana di sekwa ka bonya jo bo rileng. Kgang e re ka e lebelelang, tota

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nako e tlile jaaka e le gore ra re, re ya kwa Vision 2036, gore re le lefatshe, through ministry o o lebaneng… E bile re lebogela gore maloba re bone mangwe maphata a okediwa, while a mangwe were being aligned gore ba bereke sentle. Nako e tlile ya gore, re bone these Industrial Courts di anama.

I know you are talking of money, mme madi ga a fete botshelo jwa motho gore a bo a tshelela mo pogisegong. Re ntse re re ga re na madi a a ka oketsang Makgotlatshekelo a, especially districts le ditoropo jaaka re itse Francistown le Selebi Phikwe jalo. A re boneng re oketsa these Industrial Courts ka re rutile bana Mr Chairperson for some years. Maloba jaana on this past budget, re bone madi re a isa fela kwa Ministry wa Education. Kana selo seo ke sesupo sa gore re rutile bana. Jaanong fa re rutile bana, bana bao ba ya kae re sa dire gore ba hiriwe? Re nne le the Judges tse di lebaneng, tse di ka dirang ditiro tseo mo Makgotlatshekelong a.

Mr Chairperson, sengwe se ke ka buang ka sone mo lephateng le ke gore, fa o lebelela ka fa go diragalang ka teng, dikompone ka bontsi especially tsa security service le construction, batho re tlaa seka. Ba ba lebaneng nako nngwe ba tlaa seka. Batho ba sule Mr Chairperson ba ntse ba letile madi a bone, ba sa seke mo Dikgotleng tse. Ba ba salang kana bajaboswa, fa motho yo o amegang mo kgetsing a tlhokafala, go raya gore ga go na ope yo o salang a tsweledisa kgetsi eo. Tse dingwe tota o kgona go bona gore motho yo o amegang mo kgetsing, o ka bo a itshekile le ene a bona sengwe se a ka thusang ba lelwapa la gagwe.

Jaanong ke re, bontsi jwa batho ba kgaolo ya me, ke batho ba ba berekang thata mo these private companies. Fa e le gore go na le these major projects for example, o ka tsaya Kasane, batho ba kgaolo ya me ba bereka thata kwa Kasane mo dikomponeng tsa bojanala, security service le tse dingwe. O fitlhela e le batho ba ba kgakala le ditlamelo. Bontsi jwa bone ba nna thata kwa metseng e e leng gore, fa a setse a dule mo tirong kana tiro e fedile kana go na le kgotlhang fa gare ga gagwe le mohiri, o tlaabo a ya go leta tsheko a le kwa Tshwaane, Malelejwa, Marulamantsi kana Sepako. O fitlhela judgment e dirwa fela a seyo. Ke re, a re boneng dikgang tse re le Puso ka gore, bontsi jwa batho ba, ke batlhophi ba rona. Re bone lephata le, le dira dithuto tse di tlaa nnang di tsamaya kwa Batswaneng ba ba tshwanang le ba me le Rre Kablay, ba ga ntsi o fitlhelang ba le kgakala le ditlamelo. Ba e leng gore fa ba setse ba na le dikgang, there is nothing that they can benefit. Ba felela ba sa tle fa pele ga Makgotlatshekelo, fa gongwe ba sena se ba nang le sone.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Madigele, quorum.

MR MAJAGA: Ke re, re a leboga gore mo mafelong a mangwe, go tlaa dirwa dingwe tse di rileng tse e tlaabong e le to improve seemo sa lephata le.

Ya bofelo Mr Chairperson ke ya the Judges. Mr Chairperson, fa o ka lebelela these Judges tsa Industrial Court, ga ke itse gore a dituelo di kwa tlase, a Batswana ba tshaba go nna the Judges mo Makgotlatshekelong kana ke ka fa go hirwang ka teng. Tota selo seo it is a cause for concern. Fa o lebelela diagete both tse di emetseng Goromente le tsa private, di di ntsi thata. O fitlhela e le gore di teng, di thusa Batswana mo dikgetsing tse. Fa o setse o tsena fa, o fitlhela fa gongwe gotwe motho is on leave, ke gore Batswana ba tlaa nna ba boga fela ka motho a le mongwe fela gotwe, “nnyaa, Judge yo o lebaneng le go ka rarabolola dikgetsi tseo, ga a yo.” A kgang e, re e tsenye leitlho re le Ntlo e. Re bone gore re thusa Batswana ba ba kwa Semowane, Letlhakeng le Damuchujenaa ka gore bone matshelo a bone a mo go rona fela.

La bofelo, diofisi tsa rona tsa Mapalamente, o fitlhela jaanong batho ba tla go ikuela mo go tsone ka gore ke tsone tse ba di itseng le go feta. Fa company e ne e tlile e bo e tsamaya e sa ba duela, le kwa e leng teng ba sa tlhola ba itse gore go diragala eng kana ba ikuetse ba sa itse, la bofelo ba tshwenya rona.

Tota ke wetsa ke re, a lephata le nne le thuto mo Batswaneng fela ka kakaretso lefatshe lotlhe. Ba itse gore babereki ba ba mo dikomponeng, ke bone ba ba tshwereng lefatshe le. Re ntse re tsweletse Mr Chairperson ra re, re batla gore lefatshe le, re se ka ra baya fela mo Pusong gore e nne mohiri, mme go tshwanetse ga bonala gore le rona re gatetse pele ka go baakanya melao ya Industrial Court and review it, le go bona gore bo Judge ba teng. Batswana ba ba tlaabong ba ya to this private sector ba ya go batla these services, ba thusiwe. Fa go nang le mohiri le mohiriwa, go nna go na le bothata kana go nna le dikgetsi tse di a bong di le mo Makgotleng. Re tshwanetse re tswe mo goreng Goromente e nne ene mohiri fela. Makgotlatshekelo a tshwanetse a aname le lefatshe lotlhe ka gore ditirelo tsone di a bo di le mo lefatsheng.

Ka one mafoko ao Mr Chairperson, ke tlaa boela morago ke re, a re direng sengwe re le Palamente.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Wa bofelo ke Honourable Keorapetse; nine minutes.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Thank you Mr Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, I do not know what is happening to my voice, go na le mongwe yo o lekang go le tsaya.

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Mr Chairperson, about the Industrial Court, the first point I want to make is that the reason why we have backlog at the Industrial Court is because of the ineffectiveness of the Department of Labour. What we need Honourable Minister, is to set up a Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration with a quasi-judicial function to deal with labour matters. The reason why I am proposing this independent body, it is because; (i) the Government sometimes has disputes as the employer, and you would need an independent body to deal with such matters.

(ii) The other thing is that, when you have an independent body equipped in terms of the enabling law, resources, expertise, you could have cases which end up at the Industrial Court being reduced in number because the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA) with quasi-judicial function would have dealt with these cases. It is something that we really need to consider. I know that in the Revised Act, you tried to empower the Commissioner of Labour, but in our view, that is inadequate. We need an independent body to deal with such cases.

The other point I want to make Mr Chairperson is that, in terms of the Trade Disputes Act which establishes the Industrial Court, the Industrial Court is a court of law and equity. When you look at; I do not know if it is still Section 19, Section 15 establishes the court and Section 19 provides that this court would not be bound by rules of evidence or procedure and may disregard technical irregularity which may result in miscarriage of justice. This is equity. It is a court of law and equity.

Now, having made that point Mr Chairperson, there is a need to have a Labour Court of Appeal. The reason why I say we need to have a Labour Court of Appeal is that, because Industrial Court is a court of law and equity, that equity aspect is lost when cases are referred to the Court of Appeal on appeal, because there the Court of Appeal is bound by the rules of evidence and procedure, and cannot disregard technical irregularities which may result in miscarriage of justice. This can only be done or it is applicable in the Industrial Court.

This equity aspect, when cases are referred to the appeals court, they are subjected to the rules of honour, rules of procedure, rules of evidence and other technicalities, and the equity is lost. There is a need for a Labour Court of Appeal which will also not be bound by the rules of evidence and procedure, and may disregard irregularities which may result in miscarriage of justice.

The backlog of cases; Minister, why do you not employ Acting Judges to deal with the backlog? I think it is worth exploring. The High Court sometimes employs

Acting Judges for purposes of trying cases. This can also be explored at the Industrial Court for a specific purpose of dealing with the backlog of cases. I plead with you Minister that consider employing Acting Judges.

Honourable Minister, through you Mr Chairperson, I am reminded of a case in 2006 in which BCL machinemen were dismissed; I think they were about 200, after embarking on what the employer thought was an unprotected industrial action in a form of a strike. That case has not yet been resolved by the Industrial Court; from 2006. These people have been coming to the offices of Members of Parliament in Selebi Phikwe to say they are unable to get employment, even by companies which were sub-contracted by BCL because they are saying their case has not been resolved at the Industrial Court. If it can take more than ten (10) years for a case to be resolved, I think it is miscarriage of justice. Justice delayed is justice denied. Some people have died still waiting for the outcome of that case. I think it is important to employ Acting Judges to dispose of these cases.

The other argument which I have made before is that of the Industrial Court; the Government has reduced this court to some sort of a customary court. The reason why that it is the case is because, Honourable Minister, this court is not a creation of the Constitution but a creation of the Trade Disputes Act. This court must be a creation of the Constitution, with all the powers derived from the Constitution. Its Judges should be appointed in accordance with the advice of the Judicial Service Commission, not just a Judicial Service Commission but an improved Judicial Service Commission. The same argument we have made about the nomenclature of the Judicial Service Commission where you have the Judge President, who has been appointed by the President to his position as Judge President. The Chief Justice who has also been so appointed by the President to his position, the Attorney General, the Chairperson of the Public Service Commission, and another person preferred by the President, and then another member appointed by the Law Society. So, we have five (5) members of the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) loyal to the President, serving the interests of the Executive recommending for the appointment of Justices.

It is our considered view that we need to have an improved Judicial Service Commission recommending not just Justices of the High Court and Justices of the Court of Appeal, but also Justices of the Industrial Court. The manner in which Justices of the Industrial Court are appointed leaves a lot to be desired. Our suspicion has always been that Judges who are appointed in a manner that suggests that the Executive controls the appointment, these Judges sometimes, the

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way in which they adjudicate cases, it is suspicious. We suspect that sometimes they serve the interests of the appointing authority; in this case, the President and/or the Executive. Let us have these Judges employed on recommendation of an improved JSC.

Lastly Honourable Minister, foreigners who serve in the Industrial Court are eligible for re-appointment. You see, His Lordship Abednego Tafa dealt with this point in his latest judgement on the Court of Appeal, that the appointment of a Judge on renewable contract is bad in the sense that it diminishes the independent mundaneness of a Judge. It is important that these Judges who are foreigners are appointed on a fixed term contract because security of tenure is very important for a serving Judge.

Having said that, I thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Keorapetse. Honourable Members, I now call the Minister to respond to the debate. Honourable Minister you have ten (10) minutes.

ACTING MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Mma ke leboge bakaulengwe ka dikakgelo tsa bone mo kopong ya madi e ke neng ke ba e baya pele. Go boammaaruri gore maikaelelo magolo a Lekgotla le la Ditsheko tsa Pereko, ke go lere le go tlhomamisa tshiamelo (equity). Jaanong one mabaka a, ke one a e leng konokono ya thomo ya makgotla a. Matshwenyego a bakaulengwe ba a supileng a nyafalo ya ditiro le mokgobe wa dikgang tse di kwa makgotleng a, bonya jo bo leng teng bo tsalwa ke gone gore diphetogo (reforms) tse go ikaeletsweng gore di dirwe, di santse di setswe morago. Di setswe morago ka maikaelelo a gore re tle re batle batshereganyi le baletlanyi ba dinonofo tsa bone le dithata tsa bone, di tlaa nnang tshwetso e e tlaa tsamaelanang le e e ka tsewang ke Makgotla a a Ditsheko, gore megopolo le dikakanyo tse, di tle di kgone gore di leretse tema le maduo a a eletsegang, go fokotsa le go fefosa dikgang tse di ka bong di le kwa Makgotleng a rona a Ditsheko tsa Pereko.

Maikaelelo go re re fefose ditirelo tse ke gone gore re bo re na le dikgotla tse di etelang dikgaolo ka go farologana. Dikgaolo tse ke tsone tsa bo Palapye, Maun, Selebi Phikwe, Kanye, Ghanzi Kasane le Letlhakane. Maikaelelo ke gore, e re mo tsamaong ya nako, dikgotla tse di aname e le tsa sennelaruri jaaka go ne go supiwa fano. Kwa Maun le Selebi Phikwe, maikaelelo ke gore go ye go tlhomiwa Moatlhodi wa sennelaruri. Mafelo a ba tlaabong ba berekela mo go one, ke one a re neng re bolela mo pegong e gore mo ngwageng ono wa madi,

jaaka le tlaabo le rebola madi a, go ya go ntšhafadiwa fa ba yang go berekela teng. Khiro ya bone Baatlhodi ba, e tlaa itlhaganelelwa. Ke gone gore re ise ditirelo tse kwa setšhabeng, re fokotse mosepele wa gore ba tswe kwa Ghanzi ba tle kwano. Ghanzi o tlaabo a le gaufi le Maun ka jalo batho ba Ghanzi ba tlaa reeletsa ditsheko kwa Maun. E bile fa ba setse ba le koo, Moatlhodi o ka kgona gore a tsamae segautshwane a tswa mo Maun a ye Ghanzi a ye go reetsa dikgang koo.

Re buile mo karabong e ke neng ke e e fa kgantele gore khiro ya Baatlhodi ba, e direlwa mo pontsheng. Re ka bo re sa dumalane. Ga go na password epe e e leng teng ka gore ba ba a bong ba laleditswe go tla go reetsa kgang mo khirong ya Moatlhodi yo, e a bo e le batho fela ba ba itlotlang, ba ba ikanngwang e bile ba na le seriti se se tsamaelanang le boikarabelo jo ba bo romilweng. Ke dumela gore ga ba ka ke ba mpampetsa gore sepe se tle se tsamaele kwa ope a eletsang gore se ka ya teng.

Tiego ya dikatlholo; re tlaa nna re e sala morago gore re rurifatse gore morago ga gore Baatlhodi ba reetse dikgang tse, ba fefogela go ntsha dikatlholo gore go se ka ga nna le nyafalo epe le tiego, e e ka tlogang ya fetsa batho pelo.

E gotweng Moatlhodi mongwe mosokelatsebeng wa gagwe o ne wa dirisa madi a a kana ka bo P82 000 mo kgweding, ke tlaa ya go e tlhotlhomisa gore ke tle ke utlwe gore a mme mafoko a ntse jaaka fa mokaulengwe a a bolela gore ke tle ke boele mo Ntlong e ke e bolelele gore nnyaa, mafoko ale e ne e le magatwe fela, mokaulengwe o ne a sa utlwa sentle.

Ke buile ka gone gore re mo dipaakanyong tsa gore re ka ntšhafatsa jang ditsamaiso tse gore re tle re kgone go itebaganya le go fefosa tlharabololo ya dikgang tse tsa dikgotla tse.

Dikompone tse di agang tse le tsa security, re tlaa nna re di baya leitlho go bona gore di direla babereki ba tsone ka tshiamelo. Re tlaa tswelela re ntse re kgotlhatsa makgotla a babereki. Kana ga go mo go Goromente fela kana lekgotla la pereko gore e nne lone fela le tsamayang mo le ruta babereki ka ditshwanelo tsa bone. Ke dumela gore makgotla a babereki ka kakaretso ka di federation tsa bone, ba tshwanelwa ke gore ba rutane, ba rute babereki ka bophara ka tsamaiso ya molao wa pereko le ka ditshwanelo tsa bone gore le bone mo mafelong a mangwe ba ipope makgotla.

Ke a tle ke bue le bakgweetsi ba dibase, bus conductors le ba ba tshelang petrol, ke ba kgotlhatsa gore ba itirele makgotla a bone a babereki a a tlaa ba thusang go lebaleba mabaka a bone a pereko. Ke a tle ke bue le bo referee le bone gore jaaka e le baletsaphala mo metshamekong kwa mabaleng jaaka bo kgwele ya dinao, ke a tle ke

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gakgamale batho ba le lesome le motso mo lebaleng ba raga bolo ba palelwa ke go nosa, go bo go kobiwa coach yo o neng a le kwa ntle, gore coaches le bone ba nne le union ba kgone go ipuelela gore, “ke ne ke rile batho ba ye go nosa mme ga ba a nosa.” Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng gore rotlhe re tseye boikarabelo, re rute batho ka ditshwanelo tsa bone mo perekong ya bone.

Ke dumela gore diphetogo tse re ntseng re di buisanya mo ga Goromente ka go ntšhafatsa tsamaiso ya rona ya ditirelo tsa pereko le makgotla a babereki, re tlaa nna re di sala morago mme re tle mo thulaganyong ya gore go lerwe diphetogo tse di lebanyeng. Ke dumalana le wena Mokaulengwe Keorapetse, gore go nna le tatlhegelo fa re setse re ya kwa Court of Appeal, yone e ya tshiamelo (equity) le gone gore bosupi jo bo tlhokiwang mo makgotleng a rona a pereko, ga se jo bo bokete jaaka jo bo tlhokiwang kwa makgotleng a rona a malatsi otlhe a ditsheko tsa borukhutlhi le tse dingwe. Ke dumela gore ke dikgang tse re tlaa nnang re di amogana, re di komokana re bona gore re ka dira jang gore mafoko a, a felele a re neetse poelo.

Ke tlhomamisetse Mopalamente Keorapetse gore Baatlhodi ba makgotla a, le fa o ka bo o re ba tlhophiwa ke Tautona, tota Tautona o a bo a setse a diragatsa se e a bong e le tumalano ya Judicial Service Commission. Makgotla one a ditsheko a, a digela Goromente ditsheko. Ga ba nke ba re ka gore Tautona ke ene moeteledipele wa Executive ka jalo he, fa ba ntsha dikatlholo tsa bone mo ditshekong tse di amang Goromente, ba mpampetse. Goromente o latlhegelwa ke ditsheko ntswa Tautona e le ene a tlhophileng kana a rurifaditseng khiro ya Baatlhodi ba, jalo he, ga go boammaruri jo bo feletseng gore Baatlhodi loyalty kana go tlhomoga pelo ga bone go sokametse kwa go Goromente. Re bona se, se senolwa ke ditsheko kana dikatlholo tse ba di ntshang kgatlhanong le Goromente gore ke bomme le borre ba seriti sa bone, ba maikaelelo a bone le boikarabelo jwa bone di setseng tsamaiso le go diragatsa molao o e leng one o ba kaelang gore ba dire jalo.

Ka one mafoko a, ke se na go lebogela bakaulengwe kemonokeng ya bone, ke re Modulasetilo, ke sutisa jaana gore madi a a kana ka Forty-Three Million and Forty Thousand Five Hundred Pula (P43 40 500) a tiriso ya malatsi otlhe a Lekgotla la 2100, e nne bontlha bongwe jwa kabo ya madi a ngwaga ono wa 2017/2018. Ke bo ke tswelela ke re ke kopa gore Eight Million Four Hundred and Sixty Thousand Pula (P8 460 000), a Lekgotla la 2100 mo mading a ditlhabololo e nne botlhabongwe jwa kabo ya madi ya 2017/2018. Ke a go leboga Modulasetilo.

Question put and agreed to.

ORGANISATION 2200 – MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND

CULTURE DEVELOPMENT

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, 2 hours 25 minutes has been allocated to this organisation and I shall upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 17:25 hours today and the question will be put at 17:55 hours. Honourable Minister, you have 20 minutes, please present your budget proposal.

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR OLOPENG): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, I handed over the presentation to Members sometime last week and I take it that they have gone through the presentation. Therefore I am going to summarise as much as I can, so that it can give them more time to debate this presentation.

Mr Chairperson, Honourable Members, I have the privilege to present my Ministry’s budget proposals for consideration and approval by this Honourable Committee for the financial year 2017/2018, under Organisation 2200. Allow me first to highlight progress on key programmes in the strategic areas of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development.

YOUTH EMPOWERMENT

Mr Chairperson, the majority of our population are young people under the age of 35. Young people therefore present a human capital opportunity for our country if they are seen as an important resource and not a problem. These statistics mean Botswana’s population pyramid is heavy at the bottom, and if we do not make significant investments on this population segment today, we run the risk of having an elderly population that is unable to support itself owing to missed opportunities at a stage when they were still youth. It is therefore imperative that all efforts are made to tap into the energy and creativity of our youth and also to develop our youth into model citizens for the development of our country in this globally competitive world. In this connection, my Ministry runs various programmes aimed at entrepreneurship development, youth advocacy and behavioural change, and job readiness skills for the youth. Ultimately, these will help the country harness this youth demographic dividend.

• Entrepreneurship Development

In the year under review, my Ministry received a total of two thousand, seven hundred and one (2,701) Youth Development Fund (YDF) applications. As at February 2017, 847 have been funded at a tune of P101 154 046.30, creating two thousand and seventy-four

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(2,074) employment opportunities for young people. Adjudications and appraisals continue to be undertaken and it is expected that the entire budget allocation of P112 567 150 will be disbursed by the end of the current financial year.

Mr Chairperson, despite these good efforts, youth enterprises face challenges such as lack of operational space, high rentals, limited market access and lack of business management skills. To mitigate these, the Ministry is identifying and refurbishing old buildings, and is working on compilation of land banks for access to the youth. Furthermore, Government continues to introduce affirmative action initiatives in favour of the youth. This year exemptions on Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) registration, procurement of tender documentation at fifty (50) per cent and reservation of selected services for youth were introduced. Significant progress was noted across ministries on implementation of the twenty (20) per cent quota reservation for youth, resulting in nine hundred and two (902) youth companies awarded tenders to the value of P106 201 689 across Government. Youth are also trained in business management to improve their skills and enhance sustainability of their businesses. As at February 2017, 1,481 youth had been trained on business management.

The Ministry will continue to evaluate and reform the Youth Development Fund to make it more effective and contributing to the country’s priorities. To improve market access for funded and other youth businesses, the Ministry now hosts an annual Youth Business Expo. The Expo brings together young business people and potential procuring entities.

• Behavioural Change

Mr Chairperson, our interventions on building the character of our youth continue as we seek to foster socially acceptable behaviour and discourage bad habits such as criminal activity, drug abuse, lack of respect for fellow citizens and institutions. In this regard the Ministry continues to collaborate with various youth serving organisations to provide psycho-social and character building interventions.

My Ministry is finalising a strategy on youth character building which will introduce a more effective approach to coordinating, monitoring and evaluating character building initiatives in the country for greater impact. A number of initiatives have been put in place financed through the Alcohol Levy Fund which includes consultative forums with the youth to solicit their input on the reduction of alcohol and drug abuse strategies, intensifying public education using different media

platforms as well as the refurbishment of 5 recreational centres with counselling services. The Ministry is working with stakeholders to select the 5 centres to be refurbished.

My Ministry intensifies the Human Immunodeficiency Virus/Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (HIV/AIDS) campaign targeting the youth during the Month of Youth Against AIDS (which happens in March) each year. This is a targeted intervention aimed at high incidence areas across the country. This year, the Botswana National Youth Council (BNYC) is collaborating with different stakeholders to deliver messages on HIV/AIDS to young people across the country. This year, the Ministry once more leads the commemoration of the Month of Youth Against AIDS with the main event at Palapye and several district commemorations across the country.

Furthermore, the Ministry is focused on resuscitating youth character building organisations, particularly the Scouts and Girl Guides. To date, my Ministry has supported the Scout and Girl Guide movements both technically and financially to ensure they intensify on the mobilisation for youth enrolment. Currently in school Scouts troupes have one hundred and thirty-nine (139) clubs with four thousand, five hundred and eighty-six (4,586) members while those out of school stand at fifty-five (55) cubs with one thousand, seven hundred and six (1,706) members. Girl Guides has eighteen (18) clubs with five hundred and fourteen (514) members in schools and twelve (12) clubs with four hundred and twenty-five (425) membership for the out of school youth.

• On the Job Training and Attachments

Mr Chairperson, in the last sitting I talked about the challenges which face the youth, among which are poverty, unemployment and lack of work experience and skills mismatch with the job market, rendering them unemployable. Government continues to implement various schemes intended to provide the youth with opportunities for meaningful engagement and gaining employment readiness skills.

As at 31st January, 2017 enrolment in the National Internship Programme stood at three thousand, seven and fifty- six (3,756). Of these, two thousand, five hundred and sixty-seven (2,567) were enrolled in the public service; five hundred and twenty-five (525) with parastatals; whilst five hundred and twenty-eight (528) were with the private sector and one hundred and thirty-six (136) under the Non-Governmental Organisations. (NGOs). The transition of interns into employment has improved with 865 employed by different sectors during the period of April to January, 2017.

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Botswana National Service Programme (BNSP) commonly known as Tirelo Sechaba, enrolment as at 31st January, 2017 was 15,290.

SPORT AND RECREATION

Mr Chairperson, It is evident that, participation in sport has a number of benefits such as socio-economic development, health and wellbeing and further enhances our national unity and pride. It is therefore necessary for Government to make resources available to promote sport excellence and encourage active lifestyles among our people. I am encouraged by the performance of our athletes over the last year especially those that represented the country well at the international competitions including Rio 2016 Olympics. I am hopeful, looking at the performance trends, that our athletes are motivated and will continue excelling at international stages and make our country proud. The number of medals accrued this financial year is 194. The total amount of incentives and appearance fees paid to national team players and coaches stand at P2 294 641.60.

National Fitness Programme

The National Fitness Programme (NFP) is an intervention designed to promote the engagement of all Batswana in physical fitness activity for wellness and recreation. My Ministry has set every second Friday of the month as Fitness Day. The programme continues to bear fruits as evidenced by participation at various outdoor gyms and participation levels captured on every second Friday of every month and the people jogging and deliberately walking for fitness along various walk ways. I would propose that you urge Members of this House to participate in this programme as leaders so that they lead by example Mr Chairperson. Participation levels captured on every second Friday of every month for the period under review has reached 10,017 participants exceeding the set target of 10,000. Currently three Outdoor Gyms are at tender stage. These will be constructed in Lobatse, Maun and Molepolole. My Ministry continues to explore ways of collaborating with stakeholders to construct more outdoor community gyms.

Sport for Development

Constituency Sport Tournament continues to attract a lot of out-of-school youths across the country to play sport. The participation levels for Cycle 3 of the 2016/17 financial year stand at 85,498. The tournament continues to have a positive impact on youth, with over 255 participants having joined mainstream league teams, while some volunteers who were officiating in the programme have since graduated and are officiating at the mainstream leagues. Mr Chairperson, given

the popularity of the programme and its benefits, my Ministry intends to include athletics in the Constituency Sport Tournament in the coming financial year...

DR P. BUTALE: On a point of clarification Mr Chairperson. Just a quick one, this 255, since when, is it since the inception of the programme or it is for a certain period of time? The 255 participants that have joined mainstream league teams.

MR OLOPENG: This is for the cycle not from inception, the current.

DR P. BUTALE: Okay.

MR OLOPENG: Ee rra. Thank you very much.

Sport Development

Mr Chairperson, as a way of building capacity in sport development, the Ministry continues to empower technical officials and coaches. Capacity building courses for coaches and mentors were conducted and a total of 754 coaches have been capacitated. The country participated at the 2016 African Union Sport Council Region 5 (AUSC Region 5) under 20 games in December in Angola and obtained 35 Medals (14 Gold; 14 Silver; 7 Bronze) and finished Position 2 out of the 10 countries. This is a commendable achievement given the fact that these athletes are being prepared for higher level games

The Ministry continues to implement programmes that assist excelling athletes in sport; these programmes are the Elite Scholarship and the Zebra Fund which are administered by the Botswana National Sport Commission. The Elite Scholarship Fund is designed to assist talented young sports performers to gain access to tertiary education at international institutions whilst attaining success at the highest levels within their chosen sport. For the year 2016/17, six (6) athletes were recommended for funding. Two (2) of these have already gone for further studies in the United States of America (USA).

The Minimum Governance Standards was introduced for National Sport Associations. This is to enable office bearers of National Sport Associations to uphold the highest levels of good corporate governance, and act in the best interests of the stakeholders that they represent amongst their clubs.

Anti-Doping

As a nation, we have done well over the years to retain compliance status with the World Anti-Doping Code. This past year nineteen (19) doping tests were conducted, for which all came out negative. Educational workshops

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and awareness campaigns were conducted inclusive of those who participated in Rio 2016 Olympics.

Competitiveness in Sport

Botswana’s performance in sport is improving each year with Batswana athletes in various sport codes excelling at Regional, Continental and World level competitions. Twelve (12) Athletes, some of whom are beneficiaries of the Ministry’s programmes, competed at the Rio 2016 Olympics in August 2016. Some of these athletes made the country proud by reaching the final stages of the competitions.

Mr Chairperson, my Ministry continues to give incentives to national team players as per the Presidential Directive CAB. 7(B)/2012 with a view to motivate national team players with appearance fees, monthly allowances and performance incentives. This initiative continues to play a pivotal role in motivating national team players in their quest to achieve excellence in their chosen sport. In this financial year P2 294 641.60 has been paid to 294 national team players from different sporting codes as appearance fees, performance incentives and monthly allowances.

Hosting of Major Sporting Events

Sport in Botswana has grown to a level that it can now host major sporting events. This past financial year the country hosted the Africa Women in Sport Conference in which 205 delegates from 22 countries attended and P1 083 006.57 was spent for the event. The conference was the precursor to the upcoming International Working Group World Conference that the country will host on the 17th to 20th May 2018.

To prepare for readiness for the Netball World Youth Cup, the country hosted the Africa qualifiers for Netball World Youth Cup from the 24th -30th July 2016 where nine (9) countries took part. Therefore, Botswana will confidently be hosting the Netball World Youth Cup on the 8th –16th July 2017 where countries are expected to participate.

The country will also be hosting the World Softball Conference in October 2017, and the African Union Sport Council Region 5 (AUSC Region 5) youth games in December 2018. The AUSC Region 5 youth games are held on rotational basis every two years.

Sport Infrastructure

Mr Chairperson, improvements at the National Stadium were completed in preparation for the 2016 Independence Celebrations (BOT50). The improvements increased the seating capacity from 20,000 to 23,000. The Stadium is complete and functional at the present moment.

My Ministry continues to improve community sport fields, currently nine (9) community sport facilities are being improved with assistance from the Local Authorities. Improvements are being done at Charleshill, Letlhakeng, Rakops, Sefhare, Shakawe, Shoshong, Thamaga, Tlokweng and Tutume.

Sport Legislation and Governance

Mr Chairperson, Draft Regulations of the Botswana National Sport Commission (BNSC) Act are being developed to simplify implementation of the Act. The draft was presented to National Sport Associations in July 2016 and to the Board in November 2016, and are currently being considered by the Attorney General’s Chambers.

ARTS AND CULTURE

Mr Chairperson, preservation and promotion of the arts, culture and heritage of our nation are essential for social cohesion and national unity. The focus of the Ministry has been to consolidate the growth and appreciation of local arts and crafts while promoting economic gain from these activities. Opportunities continue to be provided through programmes such as cultural exchanges, President’s Day Celebrations and arts and culture grants among others.

Commercialisation of the Arts and Crafts

Government has, through Presidential Directive CAB. 1 (B)/2015, introduced a programme to Support Local Art and Crafts by providing an annual allocation of P7 670 485 which is administered by my Ministry. The funds have been spent on procurement of Performance Services and Arts and Crafts, and the proceeds went directly to the artists. Furthermore, all local radios stations played 100 per cent local music as part of the BOT50 Celebrations, and this contributed to increased royalties for artists.

Arts Talent Identification

Mr Chairperson, President’s Day celebrations are held across the country to unearth artistic talent and promote the culture of the different regions of our country. For this reporting period, 18,971 individuals participated in the programme compared to 14,739 in 2014. The total prize money increased from P2 864 500 in 2015 to P3 964 525 in 2016, a 38.4 per cent increase due to introduction of new categories.

Library and Information

Libraries remain the primary vehicle of choice in provision of information for communities to support information needs for leisure, communication, research,

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and education in order to improve their lives. To this end, Libraries have diverse programmes which have registered an average of 3,988 participants and 24,900 visits per month. Currently, 71 public libraries are connected to the internet and Basic Information and Communications Technology (ICT) training for members of the public has registered 69,355 users compared to 66,911 users in the last financial year. Public awareness and response to the Legal Deposit Law is also gaining momentum and has had an increase in the National Heritage Collection to 9, 484 compared to the 8, 765 during this same time in the last financial year.

National Archives and Records Services

Mr Chairperson, the Botswana National Archives and Records Services (BNARS) is charged with preserving and documenting government and historical records, and ensuring public access to those documents, which comprise the National Archives.

In pursuit of this mandate, the Ministry has intensified inspections on records keeping practices in ministries and departments to provide guidance and ensure compliance with security of information, service delivery standard and preservation of records. In 2015/16 compliance level was 70 per cent and has since decreased slightly to 65 per cent in 2016/17. The inadequate management of semi current records at ministries was noted and will be addressed through engagement with the relevant ministries.

Most records at BNARS are in the public domain, enabling access to both local and international users. The level of usage of the archives has averaged 3.7 per cent since 2015/16. Diversity in the national documentary heritage achieved through the increase in the size of the collection increased from 26.3 per cent in 2015/16 to 58.7 per cent in 2016/17. The Department has introduced social media platform (Facebook) to improve accessibility, achieving 513,921 hits to date.

RECURRENT BUDGET

Mr Chairperson, allow me now to present the budget proposals under my Ministry for the financial year 2017/2018, starting with the Recurrent Budget.

I wish to propose the 2017/2018 Budget for the Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development in the sum of Eight Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Eight Hundred and Forty-Six Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P843 846 610) representing a decrease of 6 per cent as compared to the 2016/2017 Budget. It should be noted that the 2016/17 Budget was more by P93 551 170 to cater for BOT50 activities which have since been concluded.

Headquarters

I submit a request for Five Hundred and Seventy-Four Million, Eight Hundred and Twenty-Five Thousand, and Two Hundred and Forty Pula (P574 825 240) for Ministry Headquarters. The provision shows a decrease of (13 per cent) Eighty-Four Million, Four Hundred and Forty-Five Thousand, Three Hundred Pula (P84 445 300) as compared to the 2016/2017 Budget.

Botswana National Archives and Records Services

I request an allocation of Twenty-Two Million, Five Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eighty Pula (P22 598 880) for this Department. The provision shows an increase of (1 per cent) Two Hundred and Fifty-Eight Thousand, One Hundred and Eighty Pula (P258 180) as compared to the 2016/2017 Budget.

Department of National Service and Internship

I submit a request for Two Hundred and Forty-Six Million, and Four Hundred and Twenty-Two Thousand, Four Hundred and Ninety Pula (P246 422 490) for the Department of National Service and Internship. The largest share of this budget which is Two Hundred and Thirty-Four Million Four, Hundred and Sixty-Six Thousand, Three Hundred and Forty Pula (P234 466 340) or 95 per cent goes to Interns and National Service Allowances.

DEVELOPMENT BUDGET

Mr Chairperson, the total Development Budget for my Ministry for the 2017/2018 financial year is Thirty Four-Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-Six Thousand Pula (P34 686 000). This is a reduction of Eighteen Million, One Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand Pula (P18 198 000) from last year’s budget allocation of Fifty-Two Million, Eight Hundred and Eighty-Four Thousand Pula (P52 884 000) which represents about 34 per cent decrease.

Strengthening MYSC Operations

Mr Chairperson, a total of Six Million, Eight Hundred and Sixty-Two Thousand Pula (P6 862 000) is requested under this programme to undertake the following projects;

a) MYSC Computerisation at Three Million, Nine Hundred and Forty-Eight Thousand Pula (P 3 948 000) to develop the Ministry’s IT Infrastructure Project in regional and district offices to improve service delivery.

b) MYSC Fleet Expansion at Two Million, Five Hundred and Thirty-Eight Thousand Pula (P2 538

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000). The need for fleet expansion came about as a result of the newly established offices in 12 districts and 18 sub-districts and 3 newly built community libraries at Nata, Sebina and Werda.

c) MYSC Information Systems Consultancy at Three Hundred and Seventy-Six Thousand Pula (P376 000) to engage consultants for the Ministry Information Management System, which is aimed at improving programmes management and monitoring.

MYSC Infrastructure

Mr Chairperson, a total of Twenty-Three Million, Five Hundred Thousand Pula (P23 500 000) is required to construct a roof on the Very Important Persons (VIP) Stand at the Francistown Sport Complex facility. The sport complex design has a roof on top of the VIP (Western) stand, which was deferred in previous years due to financial constraints. This will complete the scope of the Francistown Sports Complex.

Development of Cultural Infrastructure and Programmes

Mr Chairperson, I request a total budget of Four Million, Three Hundred and Twenty-Four Thousand Pula (P4 324 000) under this programme as Government contribution towards our partnership with the Sara and Robert Rothschild Family Foundation which has pledged to construct twenty (20) community libraries for Batswana. Government contribution is by way of providing equipment and furniture as well as constructing performance stages and ablution blocks at every community library constructed by the Foundation.

CONCLUSION

Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2017/2018 Recurrent and Development Budgets for my Ministry. I therefore move that the sum of Eight Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Eight Hundred and Forty-Six Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P843 846 610) under Recurrent Budget for Organisation 2200 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2017/2018) Bill, and that the sum of Thirty-Four Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-Six Thousand Pula (P34 686 000) for Organisation 2200 under the Development Budget be approved and stand part of those Estimates for the financial year 2017/2018.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.

MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MR BATSHU): Ke a go leboga Modulasetilo. Ke batla go supa fa ke ema nokeng mokaulengwe gore a rebolelwe madi a a kopileng. Ke dira jalo ka tsholofelo e e kwa godimo fela thata ya gore madi a a tlaa mo thusa go tsibogela dikgwetlho dingwe tse re nang le tsone kwa kgaolong ya botlhophi ya Nkange. Ke simolole ka go go akgola rraetsho gore o bo o na le Mothusa Tona, jaanong le le babedi. Ke lebogela seo ka gore ke lebaka rraetsho, ke kopa gore o nketele kwa kgaolong ya botlhophi, jaanong o ntse o pitlaganye thata. Ke solofela mo bogompienong gore ngwaga o wa madi o o simologang ka April, e tlaa re ka bo July mongwe wa lona o tlaabo a setse a kgabagantse kwa kgaolong. Mathata a re nang le one kwa kgaolong ke gore the projects tsa banana, dipalo tsa teng di kwa tlase fela thata, the uptake is very low. Jaanong gantsinyana fa re ntse re sekaseka, go na le bothata jwa gore kgaolo e aname. Fa e aname jaana, headquarters ya rona e mo Tutume, mme e bile ofisi yone ya Tutume ga se gore e itebagantse le Constituency ya Nkange fela, e itebagantse le constituencies tse dingwe tse pedi mo godimo ga yone ya Nkange. Ka jalo, ba bo ba nna le letlhoko la dikoloi, seo se bo se dira gore go etela ga bone metse le metsana e e mo kgaolong, fa gongwe o fitlhela e le gore go a kgoreletsega ka lebaka la gore ga ba na dikoloi.

Se sengwe ke gore fa banana ba ntse ba isa dikopo jaana, go tsaya lebaka le le leele gore re tsibogele dikopo tsa bone ka mabaka a a farologanyeng. Batho ba banana ke batho ba ba felang pelo ka bonako. Re eletsa gore mo lephateng la gago, gongwe go nne le tsela e e leng gore your turnaround times tsa go tsibogela dikopo tsa banana, re tlhobosa, le re amogela, e bo e le gore di mo nakong e khutshwane, ka gore banana ba na le bothata jone jwa gore ka go tlhoka ditiro, ba na le go fela pelo fa ba ntse ba emetse go itse gore naare gatwe go diragala eng. Jaanong kopo e ya gore le nketele, ke batla gore le rulaganye mo mading one a, go nne le workshop e tona fela thata teng mo motseng wa Tutume, e akaretsa Constituency ya Nkange, banana bale ba tle ba le reetse, le ba gakolola ka bomolemo jwa mananeo a a mo lephateng le la lona. Ke tsaya gore nako e ke na le tsholofelo e ntsi fela thata ya gore mokaulengwe, re tlaa thusanya gore seo se diragale. Se sengwe se ke se buileng mo nakong e e fetileng se ke se buang gape, ke gore the officers tse di thusang banana, fa o fitlhelang palo ya bone ba le banana ba le bantsi le bone, ke gore banana ba felelana dipelo go thusanya. Jaanong ke sone se ke nang le ikopelo ya gore fa re ntse re ya kwa pele, re nne re tswakanya batho ba, fa e le gore gongwe o fitlhela go na le the officers di le six (6), a ba babedi ba e bo e le ba ba golwane, ba ba kgonang go pepetletsa banana ba ba mo ofising, ba ba felang pelo, le bone ba

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ba a bong ba kopa fa e le gore ba fela pelo, ka gore fa e le bone fela, o kare ga ba kgone go thusanya ka bopelotelele ka fa re eletsang gore go nne ka teng. Ke na le banana kwa kgaolong, segolobogolo bana ba ba Graduate Volunteer Scheme (GVS), go na le ngongora ya gore matsananyana a re ba a neelang e le a dikatso, tota ba a ngongoregela gore ga a sa tlhole a lekana le fa e le sepe, mme keletso ya Puso e ne e le gore golo gongwe e kare fa ba ntse ba emetse kwa ba ka bonang ditiro teng, ba bo ba ntse ba reka melora. Jaanong le melora e setse e pala ka matsananyana a a leng teng, segolobogolo bao ba ba kileng ba nna mo Internship, ba na le allowance e o kareng e kwa godingwana, e bo e le gore after two (2) years fa ba aloga jaanong ba ise ba bone ditiro gatwe ba ka tsena mo go e ya GVS, e bo e le gore dikatso tsa teng di ya kwa tlase. Ke itse gore o motho yo o tsibogelang dikgang tsa banana ka pelo ya gago yotlhe. A e re fa ba kgaolo ba lela jaana, ke go begela mo Palamenteng e ya rona, gongwe o tle o eme ka dinao o bone gore naare Goromente ga go na ka fa a ka sekasekang gore a tokafatse dikatso tsa baithaopi.

E ne ya re fa re le mo thulaganyong ya Lenaneo la Ditlhabololo la Bolesome le Bongwe, National Development Plan (NDP) 11, ke ne ke kopile gore re batla stadium kwa Tutume, fela jaaka o tlaa itse, kgaolo e e na le neo ya Modimo mo dilong di le di ntsi, segolobogolo tsone tsa metshameko. Mabelo le tlaa itse bo Nijel Amos, Isaac Makwala le ba bangwe ba e leng gore ba etla, kgaolo e e na le neo yone e e ntseng jalo ya Modimo. Le bone ba kgwele tota, le referee le a itse gore Rre Joshua Bondo wa Senete, o ne a le koo, o ne a le kgakala kwa. O tswa kwa kgaolong e tona ya botlhophi ya Nkange, jaanong o ka bona gore dineo tse di tlhoka gore di rotloediwe. Ke ne ke kopile gore re nne le stadium, mme ga pala ka gore madi ga a yo. Kopo ya me ya stadium o se ka wa e kwala ka pencil mokaulengwe, o e kwale fela ka pene gore fa go letlelesega kana go kgonagale gore go nne jalo, re bo re le bangwe ba ba ka akanyediwang.

Rraetsho, ke santse ke kopa ke khubame, gore o re akanyetse ka motlobo wa dibuka. Kgang e e tswa kgakala, ke tsaya gore even in the 10th Parliament, ke ne ka tla ka supa fa gore ga re na public library mo motseng wa Tutume. Jaanong Ministry wa gago o ne wa gakolola sentle fela gore fa go na le kago e kgologolo e e ka nnang teng, a e bonale, Ministry o tlaa dira gore ka madi a re thusiwang ke ba ba re thusang, e tlaa shafadiwa e bo e ka tsenngwa dibuka. Jaanong re ntse re leka, kwa Tutume kwa go na le holo fela e tonatona, e ne e le kwa Ministry of Education and Skills Development, jaanong gompieno e kwa Ministry of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development, e tota e ntse foo e sa dirisiwe. Ke a itse gore le Ministry wa

gago o ne wa kwala ka dinako tse di ntsinyana, ba kopa gore golo gongwe holo ya teng le e neelwe, gongwe e tle e re karolo ya yone e bo e ka nna diofisi, mme e bo e le gore the good part of it e ya go nna library. Kago e e santse e tswetswe, e lotletswe. Ke kopa gore re e kopanele mokaulengwe, re buisanye le mokaulengwe Rre Mabeo gore kago ele re e neelwe, e nne library, e bo e ka re mo dithusong tse re di bonang di tswa mo mafatsheng a sele, re bo re ka thusega. Re nne le library gona le gore ba ba batlang go bala mo library mo teng ga McConnell Senior Secondary School, jaanong o fitlhela go na le restrictions tsa gore le kgoreletsa bana sele le sele. Ke tshwanetse gore ke leboge gore fa ke buisanya le ministry wa gago, ke batho ba ba reetsang, ke fela gore there is a stumbling block, e nna le wena fa re ka ya go kopana le bakaulengwe, ba tlaa re neela holo e gompieno e sa dirisiweng le fa e le sepe mme e le holo ya Puso.

Sa bofelo rraetsho, ke wetse ka gore e ne ya re ka the holidays tsa December, go ne ga nna le thulaganyo e e neng e itiretswe ke ba motse kana ba kgaolo ya botlhophi ya Nkange gore ba nne le festival ya mmino wa setso le mebino fela ka go farologana ga yone. Festival ya go nna jalo, e ne ya ngoka batho ba le ba ntsi fela thata, ga nna monate, bagolo ba supa ka fa ba kileng ba bo ba dira ka teng bogologolo, mme banana ba ne ba kgona go lemoga gore metshameko ya rona ya ngwao e e ntseng e latlhega e nna teng. Kopo fela ke gone gore o kare o ka simolola wa nna le madi a o ka nnang o a latlhelela constituencies jaana gore go nne le constituency festivals just to get started. E tlaa re fa re ntse re tsweletse, re tlaa itirela, mme fela jaaka mokaulengwe a ne a supa, o kare yone ya ntlha festival e le tlaa e rulaganyang, ke a go laletsa gore o tle o apere sentle jaaka o e tle o apare sentle fa go ntse jalo, o tle o itshupe bothakga. Ke a leboga rraetsho.

MR ARONE (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr Chairperson. I also stand to support the Honourable Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development, but to start with, to thank you Honourable Minister on a personal note that you received a call from a football team in my constituency where they requested for some sports equipment and I want to thank you that you decided to bring the donation through my office. They have requested me to thank you profoundly for the help and I wish you would continue to support and have the energy to ensure that young people are being assisted.

Just two points Honourable Minister; we have good programmes on the ground and we want to continue to thank you. We have seen the energy and the challenge that we are facing is implementation; the turnaround time. That is where we are having a big problem.

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I still want to repeat what I have said in the past, we need to have a clear coordination between Government departments. You will find that for example; on your side, the Youth Development Fund (YDF) officials would have funded a group of young people, but they will struggle to get land. We still have problems such as that Honourable Minister. Please engage the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services and ensure that these complaints Mr Minister, are put to rest.

We have a number of young people who have been funded and complaining that they have a problem of accessing land. If you look at the first page Honourable Minister of your presentation on entrepreneurship development, where 2 701 applications were received for the YDF and only 847 were successful, to me, that uptake is very, very low. It means that 1 854 applications were not successful. We need to know why, so that we are able to respond to why the uptake is very, very low. We are busy encouraging young people to ensure that they take advantage of these programmes, but then it becomes worrisome when the uptake is very, very low.

I want to support Honourable Batshu on youth officers more especially sent to rural areas. Let us ensure that we send very experienced people because they are required to support young people in rural areas who have been excluded from a number of things. Therefore, they need someone who is very experienced to ensure that they fill the gap found in those societies instead of sending newly qualified officers. They face challenges as Honourable Minister correctly said of impatience to try and support these kids.

The other point Honourable Minister, I humbly request you, we need an office ya Youth kwa Seronga. The terrain in my constituency is very, very difficult, you are aware of it. In my constituency, we are number two (2) in terms of poverty or being disadvantaged. Our kids are not doing very well in school. So, we need to be supported. We need an office in Seronga so that the catchment areas from Gudigwa, Beetsha, Gunitsoga, Ngarange le Sekondomboro can be assisted on the other side of the river instead of coming to Shakawe.

Currently Honourable Minister for your own information, the office in Shakawe is referred to as a satellite office. So, in most cases, young people are still referred to Gumare which was our complaint when we requested an office in Shakawe. Please assist us Honourable Minister with fully-fledged offices in Shakawe and Seronga.

Of course I want to support Honourable Minister Batshu; I want to agree with you, Tutume is a very big village. I think it is one of the centres in the northern side of the country. It is very unfortunate and sad that

they do not have a library. The same applies to Seronga; we want to thank you that at least we have a library in Shakawe. If I was requested to support Honourable Batshu, I will support him looking at the size of Tutume and the catchment areas in Tutume. I would support him for the call of a library in that area because I have seen the number of people in that area, it is very big.

Of course I do not want to be repetitive; my point Honourable Minister is on implementation. Otherwise you are trying your level best, you are doing a good job, but let us ensure that the affirmative action programmes as we have announced them to the young people, are put to practice and are adhered to by all departments. With those few remarks, I thank you.

MR RANTUANA (RAMOTSWA): Thank you Madam Chairperson. Mma ke simolole fela ka go akgela mo go tsa Banana. Ke re bothata jo bo kana, jo re bo tshwereng mo bananeng, selo sa ntlhantlha fela ke go tlhoka thuto e e lolameng. Fa thuto ya rona kwa dikoleng e ne e nonofile, e ikaeletse go ntsha bana ba ba nonofileng, ba ba ka itirelang, re ka bo gompieno jaana, re sena bothata jo bo kanakana jwa banana ba ba tlhokang ditiro, ba ba tlhokang ditsha le ba e leng gore gompieno re lela ka gore ba dirisa ditagi thata. Fa thuto ya rona e ne e tlhwaafetse go ntsha banana ba ba nang le bokamoso, re ne re ka re lefatshe la rona le ka ya golo gongwe.

Gompieno re tshwaraganye le mathata a go dira dilonyana tse di tshesanyane tse di tshwanang le bo Internship, tsa ga go tshwane, le bo YDF ya bana ba e leng gore ga ba a rutelwa business. Ga ba na le fa e le sepe, but they are funded ba sena kitso e e itshetletseng. Fa bana ba rona kwa dikoleng ba ne ba rutiwa tsa kgwebo go simolola fela kwa secondary go ya go tsena kwa tertiary, madi a a ntshiwang a YDF, a ne a ka bo a na le mosola.

Bogologolo go kile ga ne go na le thuto e go neng gotwe Junior Achievement Botswana (JAB), ga ke itse gore a gompieno e santse e le teng mo dikoleng…


MR RANTUANA: Mme ga e dirisiwe mo go supafalang fa e le gore e santse e le teng. Ga re na bana ba ba yang go phadisana internationally ka business plans. Gompieno bana ba rona ba fiwa madi fela go bo gotwe ba ye kwa Local Enterprise Authority (LEA) ba ye go ithuta business teng. Bana ba tlaa tshwara jang business fa e le gore bontsi jwa bagolo ba ba reng bana ba dire businesses, di ba paletse? Ba ya go ithuta mo go mang? Kana ngwana o tshwanetse a ithute se a bonang se dirwa ke mogolo. Jaanong fa e le gore ba bagolwane ba paletswe ke go dira the businesses, re palelwa ke go

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ruta bana ba rona gore ba itsetsepele. Re ba latlhela fela mo mosimeng wa go dira di business, mme ga re ba direle sentle.

Thuto ke sone selo se se tona se e leng gore ke selotlele sa botshelo. Re ka bo re ba ruta dilo tse di lebaganeng, e bile di tshwanetse. Nako e ntsintsi e e senngwang go rutwa ka dilo tse di tshesanyane tsa bo go dirisa dilo gatwe ke itlhokomelo ya morobalo le eng, le eng, e ka bo e dirisiwa go ruta bana botshelo …


MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR OLOPENG): On a point of clarification. Thank you Madam Chairperson. Ke kopa gore Honourable Member, ka ke a kwala ke tsaya the notes so that I can respond, ke mo utlwe sentle gore a re ya bofelo e ke ya eng? Ga ke a utlwa gore a reng. A ko a e papamatse sentle. Ke utlwile a bua morobalo, ga ke itse gore o raya ofe.

MR RANTUANA: Tanki Minister. Ke ne ke re itlhokomelo mo morobalong e o fitlhelang e buiwa thata le mo television. Gompieno e raela bana ba rona gore ba ye go lekeletsa ba bone gore a se le se buang, ke nnete. Fa e ne e le gore gompieno ba ka bo ba rutiwa business and engineering, e e tlaa ba dirang gore e re fa ba tswa mo, kakanyo ya bone e akanyetse tse di lebaganyeng le botshelo, e seng tse di lebaganyeng le tsa go tshameka.

Tona, e nngwe e ke batlang go bua ka yone ke ya sport infrastructure e o e kwadileng fa. Ngwaga o o fetileng pele fa re tsena mo National Development Plan (NDP) 11, o ne o re solofeditse gore metse e e gaufi le Gaborone, o na le lenaneo la gore o tlaa e agela sports complex gore e kgone go thusa Gaborone fa go na le ditiragalo tse di tona tse di international.

Jaanong gompieno ga ke bone gope fa o buang ka gone fa. Ke utlwa jaanong o bua ka gore National Stadium e ne e agelwa BOT50 le gore the community sport fields are being developed. Ke botsa gore kgang ele ya Budget ya 2016/2017 ya di sports complex, a e dule mo lenaneong? Fa e le gore e dule, o ka bo o re boleletse gore nnyaa, metsana e e gaufi le Gaborone ga ke sa tlhole ke tlaa le direla di sports complex gore le tle le thuse Gaborone when hosting big events.

Gape se sengwe Tona, mo kgaolong ya South East re tshwaragane le bothata. Maphata a mangwe a a tshwanang le bo Land management, Water and Sanitation Services le bo Local Government and Rural Development, fa ba dira planning, ga ba tsenye mabala mo teng. Gompieno jaana maloba ba land board ba ne ba ile go aba ditsha mo mabaleng a a ntseng a ragela

ditlhopha tsa motse. Fa re botsa gore jaanong fa le dira jalo, le tsaya kae permission ya gore le tseye mabala a a ntseng a ragela ditlhopha tsa motse, a a ntseng a dirisiwa ke ditlhopha tsa constituency, a go ntseng go tabogelwa mo teng; bana ba sekole sa Kelemogile gompieno ga ba dire Physical Education ka gore mabala a ba ntseng ba tabogela mo go one go beilwe residential plots mo go one. Fa re re re a botsa, re nna fa fatshe le bone, ba re ke Lephata la ga Tona Tsogwane, ke ene ba physical planning who declared golo foo residential.

Ke ipotsa gore a fa le le kwa Executive kwa ministries tsa lona, a ga le nke le buisana when planning? Wena o bua ka mabala, community sports field gore le thusiwa ke local authority, rona mo kgaolong ya South East, local authority ga e re thuse. E re pitlagantse, e re tsentse mo mathateng. E abile mabala a a ntseng a dirisiwa for your constituency tournament, football leagues by ditlhopha tse di mo league, a beilwe residential.

Maloba re ne re santse re bua ka mo gongwe go teng kwa Ramotswa gatwe show ground. It is lying idle. Ga e dirisiwe sepe. Batho ba ba neng ba direla sports mo teng ba dule, gatwe ba se ka ba tlhola ba tshamekela foo, lebala leo ke la Khansele, e tlaa tlisa ditlhabololo tsa shopping complex. Shopping complex le yone jaanong go didimetse ga re itse gore gatwe go rileng. Lebala lone le ntse fela ga le dire sepe, le re okela magodu. Magodu fa ba sena go senya, ba ya go baya dilo mo go lone lebala le le ka bong le dirisiwa gompieno.

Tona, ke ne ke re ke go kope thata gore o buisanye le ba Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services, le ba Local Government and Rural Development gore re tlhokana le mabala a e leng gore ditlhopha di ka a itirela, tsa a ipaakanyetsa. Go se ka gatwe the whole district e bo e nna residential fela le commercial go sena gope fa e leng gore bana ba ka ya go itshidila teng. Gompieno jaana ra re bana ba rona ba mo di drugs, ba tsaya di drugs le majalwa ka lebaka la gore ga go na gope kwa ba itlosang bodutu teng; bodutu jaanong e nna kwa dibareng. Ngwana fa sekole se tswa ga go na gore o ka ya go boa kwa lebaleng a ya to practice, a itshidila mmele, fa a tswa fa jaanong o tswa pelo, o ya go tsena fa bareng fa e leng gore tota o ka bo a sa tshwanela go ka bo a ile teng.

Tona, ntlha e ke batlang go e gatelela tota, kana kwa Ramotswa le kile la budget for stadium gotwe ke P60 Million. Ka National Development Plan (NDP) 9 sa tswa mo teng. NDP 10 gone le bo le re itsholelo e ile kwa tlase, se bo se ntshiwa. Gompieno jaanong ga o bue le fa e le ka sports complex le fa e le ka sepe, ke gore o jele semenogane mo e leng gore jaanong ga re ka ke ra tlhola re kgona. Gompieno le fa ke ka re ke a botsa gore a se mo lenaneong, ke tlaabo ke itiela nako fela ka gore ke a bona gore ga se yo gone fa.

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Our teams di boaboa fela mo premier league ka gone go tlhoka lebala. Fa e sena go tsena mo premier league, ba tewa gotwe lebala la bone ke kwa Otse. Fa ba tsena kwa Otse, ba tewa gotwe, nnyaa, go na le police activities, ga le ka ke la tla go tshamekela kwano, yang kwa Molepolole. Fa le tsena kwa Molepolole, le gone go na le activities tse dingwe, yang Lobatse. Ditlhopha tsa kgwele ya dinao tsotlhe jaanong tse di neng di le mo premier league tsa ga Malete di boetse kwa morago. Le mo Tlokweng go ne go na le ditlhopha fela tse di tona bo Tlokweng United, bo Red Sparks, gompieno di nyeletse ka gore mabala ga a yo, ga go fiwe mabala. Tlokweng ke residential gotlhe fela, kwa ntle ga shopping complex tse di dirwang fale. Jaanong a ko re tlhwaafaleng bagaetsho, re itse gore banana ba rona ke bokamoso jwa rona. E re fa re dira dilo tse, re bo re itse gore re akanyetsa setšhaba sa kamoso, ga re dire sogwasogwana fela.

Kana ngwana bagaetsho o kopa se a se bonang. Fa e kare ngwana fela yo o botlhale, a le six months old, o bo o mo tsaya fela o ya go mmaya kwa ntsweng, a bo a bona ditshwene fela botshelo jwa gagwe jotlhe go ya go fitlhelela a nna eighteen (18) years, fa a tswa koo fela o re o a mmuisa, o tlaabo a bua language ya ditshwene. Jaanong a ko re itekeng re bone gore re tlhabolola bana ba rona. Ke a leboga.

MR MARKUS (MAUN EAST): Tanki Madam Chairperson. Tlaa le nna ke leboge Tona go bo a tlisitse kopo ya madi a gagwe.

Rra ke go ema nokeng, ke re o re thuse kwa Ngamiland, kwa Maun. Rra, ba nthomile, ke a rongwa. Ba re ba kopa gore o ba thuse. Banana ba Ngamiland ga ba itse gore dithuso tsa youth di kwa kae. Ga ba na natso, ga ba di bone. Ba ntse fela, go sale gotwe go sentswe madi, jaanong ga ba itse gore mo mading a go sale gotwe a jelwe bone ba otlhaelwa eng dingwaga tse di kanakana, ga ba bone sepe. Ga go na le fa e le project e nngwefela e e leng gore gompieno e teng kwa Ngamiland, ka ntata ya mabaka a gore gatwe batho mo diofising ba sentse madi. Jaanong go sokodisiwa banana. Le gompieno ke sale ke tsene, ga go na sepe se ba se boneng.

DR P. BUTALE: Clarification. Nnyaa mme ka bokhutshwane fela tsala ya me, ke ne ke re ka gore go na le P2 Million yo o fiwang kgaolo nngwe le nngwe, kwa Gaborone Central ga re ise re mmone. A ga o ise o mmone ka kwa go wena?

MR MARKUS: O bua ka madi a P2 Billion, nna ke buelela banana. O go sele fela, o latlhegile. Doctor e ke mathata batho ba Modimo! Ke buelela banana, a o bua ka P2 Million wa constituency? Nnyaa monna o a ntiya, o bua dilo tsa gago fela. You are wasting time. Aah! Jaanong bagaetsho ke ne ke re banana ba a bua, ba

supa fela gore golo kwa Ngamiland ga ba bone sentle. Ga ba ise ba bone madi go tla go tsena gompieno.

MR MMOLOTSI: Point of order. Nnyaa, ke ne ke re gongwe ke tsenye mokaulengwe mo tseleng Madam Chairperson ka gore go lebega a sa tlhaloganye gore gone mo Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development, go na le P2 Million yo go tweng o neelwa…

MADAM CHAIRPERSON (MS KOKORWE): That is not a point of order, ke correction.

MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, a kere o gana gore…

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: No! Ga se point of order Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke point of what?

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Ke correction. Ke eng o ne o sa re correction?

MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, ga se correction, ke point of order because he is denying a fact e e leng gore e ntshiwa mo Palamenteng.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Ke correction.

MR MMOLOTSI: So, go na le P2 Million. Kana o a bo o akantse P10 Million yole wa botsotsi.

MR MARKUS: Go utlwisa botlhoko Vice President ya party behaving jaana, nnang le iketla banna, motho a buelela kgaolo ya gagwe. Ga ke buelele sepolotiki, ke buelela kgaolo. O ntlogele ke buelele kgaolo ya me, o didimale. Se se teng fela ke gore rra, ke tsweletse ke go bolelela gore banana ba Ngamiland ga ba bone sepe. You have suspended programmes tsa youth kwa Ngamiland for two (2) years, banana ga ba bone sepe. Ba kopa gore ba otlhaelwa eng ka gore officers ke bone ba ba sentseng tsamaiso, ba utswa madi koo, jaanong punishment ke eng e tsena mo go bone? Ga go na le fa e le ngwana yo mongwefela gompieno kwa Ngamilang yo o fiwang le fa e le grant. Le fa e le policy ya lona ga e bereke kwa Maun, e sule. Re kopa gore o thuse banana bao, o ba emele ka dinao thata gore ba kgone go bona se se ba tshwanetseng.

Ba ipotsa gore ka le sa le le re you are investigating 2 years ago, a le gompieno le ntse le tlhomamise fela? Fa e le gore le bone molato mo bathong, ke eng le sa ba sekise go supa tota gore ke nnete go na le bogodu? Go sa sekisa batho mo, jaanong ba re nnyaa, go raya gore ministry jaanong is punishing rona banana fela, ga go na sepe fa ka gore ga ba bone le fa e le yo o sekisiwang, yo o tshwarwang, go supa gore golo fa go na le tshenyetso-setšhaba. Ba re golo moo ba a belaela gore gongwe ba latlhilwe. Ke kopa o ba thuse mong wa me.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nna fa fatshe.

MR MARKUS: Nnyaa, tswa mo go nna. Ke nnela eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)…

MR MARKUS: Ke na le banana ba ba ntsi rra kwa kgaolong ya me ba ba batlang dithuso. Ke kopa to propose Minister gore, ke na le banana ba le ten (10), ba ke batlang gore o ye go ba batlela setsha ka maemo a gago gore, e re fa ba batla setsha, ba se fiwe ka bonako mme ba se fiwe kwa Delta. Ke batla gore banana ba, ba ye go aga lodge e tona e go tlaa lebegang gore banana ke ba, Ministry o o ba thusitse…


MR MARKUS: O ba thuse gore ba kgone go nna le dilo tse di tshwanang le tse, e le banana ba iphuthile ba le bantsi, le fa ba ka nna bo ten kana twenty, gore ba tsamae le bone kamoso ba ipelafatsa ka lenaneo le la gago gore, “nnyaa, rona re le banana ke fa le a re bona, re suteletse kwa pele ka lenaneo la ga Tona.” Ke a itse gore o na le bokgoni rra. Ga o ka ke wa palelwa ke go go dira golo moo. Ke kopa gore o re thuse thata.

Rra, re kopile lebala la metshameko ya dipitse kwa Maun. O a itse gore nako ele, lebala la rona go kile gatwe le a tsewa le isiwa go sele…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: La mabelo.

MR MARKUS: La mabelo a dipitse. Jaanong e ne e le gore le isiwa go sele, ra bua le wena re kopa gore lebala le, le sale mo Maun le se ka la isiwa go sele. Re kopa gore o re eme nokeng. O re eme nokeng thata, land board e a re tshamekisa kwa, o ye go re tsenyetsa moko mo go bone gore ba re fe lebala le. You should develop it, e nne lebala le le kwa godimo le le tlaa tlotliwang. E se lebala fela, gongwe mo teng moo, go agiwe le magasigasi a di shop, batho le bone ba kgone go tsena moo ba rekisa, ba kgona go bona sengwe. Banana ba tsena mo stalls tseo ba rekisa. Ke kopa gore lebala leo rra o le emele ka dinao, o re thuse.

Ke go kopa gape Minister gore, re dire lenaneo o re etele kwa Maun. O bitse banana ka bogolo jwa gago o tle to address them ka gore ba setse ba tseela gore re a ba tshamekisa. O tle to address them o ba bolelele mathata a e leng gore o na le one mo ofising ya gago ka Ngamiland. Rra, re mo mathateng, ga re na dikarabo fa re tsena mo Dikgotleng. Re palelwa ke go araba, nako nngwe le nngwe ke gore gatwe go santse go batlisisiwa (investigate). Re kopa gore o re etele re tle go dira phuthego fela e tona kwa Maun East, re biditse banana botlhe, re beile ditante go supafala gore Minister golo fa o gorogile o tlile go thusa bana ba gagwe. Re kopa gore

o tle mong wa me ka bofefo jo bo tlhokafalang, le fa e le beke e e tlang rra o goroge.

Go na le lebala kwa Maun East la ga Goromente, ke tsaya jalo. Lebala le ke kopa gore le lone gongwe o ka tla wa lebelela wa thusa gore re le baakanye. Re le baakanyetse constituency tournaments, gore fa go tshamekiwa bo di final jaana, go tshamekelwe mo teng. Gongwe le teratelwe sentle le bonale gore ke lebala le le ka tshwarelang metshameko e e rileng. Le teng gale, le na le lease. Ga se mo gotweng go santse go tlaa ikopelwa mong wa me. Ke a itse gore dilo tse rra o a di kgona, ga di ka ke tsa go palela. Ka lebelo la gago le ke go itseng ka lone, o ka kgona.

Mma ke go leboge. Ke tlaa ema go le kalo.

MR BILLY (FRANCISTOWN EAST): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo...


MR BILLY: Ke a leboga Modulasetilo. Mma ke tseye sebaka se Tona ke supe fa ke go ema nokeng mo kopong ya gago ya madi. Gongwe ke go beye dintlha tse pedi kana tse tharo go leka go tokafatsa ka fa o tsamaisang dilo ka teng. Ke dumela gore, banana ke batho ba ba akanyang thata mme fa ba akanya thata, go tshwanetse go elwe tlhoko sepe se se dirwang se direlwa bone. Fa o ka tsaya gongwe Rre Kast, yo o tsamaileng (walk) a thousand kilometers, seo ke sekai bagaetsho sa gore monana fa a le mo kgatelelong, o tlaa leka maano otlhe a a ka kgonang mme o ne a dira in a positive way. Go na le banana ba bangwe ba e ka reng ba le mo kgatelelong ya dilo tse ba di batlang mme ba sa di bone, ba dira sengwe se se bosula go leka go supa gore ga ba itumelele se ba se neelwang kana se ba se bonang.

Fa o ka lebelela revolutions tse di diragalang mo mafatsheng ka bontsi, di simololwa ke banana ka gore ba a bo ba sa itumela. Fa o ka lebelela ntlha eo rraetsho, ke dumela o ka ela tlhoko gore ke nnete gore re na le mananeo a mantsi a a diretsweng banana, mme a tswelela a sa dire bontle kana a sa dire se maikaelelo le maikemisetso a Ministry a se batlang. Ke dumela gore go tshwanetse gore go diriwe evaluation e e tseneletseng. Gongwe la bofelo you should cluster ministries tse tsotlhe go lebaganwe le gore kante ke eng se re ka se dirang se se ka lekang go tokafatsa ka fa re isang ditlamelo kwa bananeng ka teng. Mananeo a mantsi a banana a diretswe gore a ba thuse go tlhama mebereko. Re tswelela re nna le high rate of unemployment mme re ntse re na le mananeo a mantle a. Ba ba setseng ba tsene mo mananeong, ba palelwa ke go duela loans tsa bone. Re tshwanetse gore re nne fa fa fatshe re sekaseke gore tota go ka tswa go dirwa ke eng, gore re bo re na le diemo tse re leng mo go tsone tse.

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Rraetsho, Goromente kana ministry wa gago, o tshwanetse gore a tsenye madi a mantsi mo metshamekong le entertainment ka gore ke tsone tse ke dumelang gore di ka tlisa maduo. Fa o lebelela mafatshe a a setseng a tsentse madi a mantsi mo sports and entertainment, gongwe ke go fe sekai ka South Africa, ke lefatshe le le itsiweng ka mmino. Kenya ke lefatshe le le itsiweng ka mabelo. Re le lefatshe la Botswana ga go na sepe se o ka se kayang se o se bonang mo bananeng se o kareng re itsege ka sone. Ke re seo se supa gore re tlhokana le gore re tsenye madi a mantsi go leka go tokafatsa diemo tsone tseo.

Ke buile gape gore banana ba tswelela ba tlhoka ditiro kana fa ba direlang teng. Ke tsaya gore ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse e leng gore o tshwanetse go di ela tlhoko gore re ka dira jang gore banana ba bone fa ba berekelang teng. Operational spaces ga di yo mo ditoropong. E bile gongwe projects tse e leng gore di amana le go dirwa kwa dikgaolong di dirwe ka bonako ka gore koo go na le space se seng kana ka sepe.

Rraetsho, gape go na le letlhoko le le ntsi la skills. Ke dumela gore Ministry wa Education o dirile sentle gore o tle ka Target 20 000. Letsatsi leno mme ke dumela gore Target 20 000 ga e sa tlhola e le relevant ka gore ga e a dira sepe se se neng se tshwanetse gore se diragale re se bone mo bananeng. Ke dumela gore if we can cluster ministries, ministry wa gago wa se ka wa ipona o le nosi, re ka lwantsha letlhoko la ditiro ka tsela e e leng gore banana ba ka itumela.

Banana ke batho ba ba tshabelelwang ke dilo tse di farologanyeng. Gompieno fa ke bua le wena jaana, banana ba tshabelelwa ke social ills, ke bone ba e leng gore bontsi jwa bone ba tshabelelwa ke malwetsenyana. Banana ba fitlhelwa ba le mo ditaging le mo bojalweng. Re le batsadi ba bone, re bo re nna re re banana ga ba itlhokomele. Entertainment fa e le bojalwa, monana o tlaa ya kwa bareng. Se re tshwanetseng gore re se dire ke recreational facilities mo ditoropong le mo magaeng. Fa monana a lapile tlhaloganyo, o a ikhutsa mme fa a sa lapa tlhaloganyo ya gagwe e e active, e ya go dira sengwe se se bosula.

Le yone metshameko jaaka ke buile pele gore e ka thusa fa ba ntse ba ithuta gone foo ba tshameka ba aga mebele ya bone, yo mongwe o kgona to develop skill, se a neng a ntse a sa se bone kana a sa lemoge gore o na le sone.

Ke go utlwile sentle rraetsho gore le ya go aga recreational facility ya National Fitness Programme kwa Lobatse, Maun le Molepolole. Ke bo ke ipotsa gore why not Francistown. Fa o ka lebelela Francistown, ga go na outdoor activities like bo gym tse e leng gore re di bona…


MR BILLY: Francistown! Banni ba Francistown ra re Franstown. Rre Molale, you are disturbing me. Please Honourable Member, do not do that. Do not allow me to entertain you. Se ke lekang go se tlhalosa ke gore, outdoor activities re di tlhoka mo toropong e e tshwanang le ya Francistown. Ga gona, it is zero, mme re di bona mo Gaborone. Ke a go utlwa ka fa o tlhalosang ka teng gore e ya go nna kwa Maun, Lobatse, Molepolole. Ke eletsa gore o ntlhalosetse gore go dirwa ke eng gore Francistown a bo a tlogetswe kwa morago. Guidelines tsa go tsamaisa businesses…

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR OLOPENG): On a point of clarification. Thank you very much Madam Chairperson, thank you very much Honourable Member. Honourable Member, ke batla gore ke itse gore fa o re outdoor activities, o papamale sentle. O kare ke a tsietsega gone fa ka gore o ne o santse o bua ka sport facilities o re ga di yo kwa Francistown, even though ke itse gore go na le stadiums di le pedi le mabala. Jaanong fa o re outdoor activities ga ke itse gore o bua ka eng.

MR BILLY: Okay, thank you, gym equipment, ga e yo kwa Francistown. Go na le issue e nngwe e ke batlang go bua ka yone ya culture. Ministry o wa Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development ga se one o lebaneng. Ke ne ke eletsa gore gongwe culture e ka bo e isitswe kwa Local Government and Rural Development kwa e tlaabong e kgona to be coordinated motlhofo. Gape ke gore culture mo Botswana go tlaabo go tewa teme e nngwe fela ya Setswana, mme ke yone e e nang le promotion e ntsi thata. Keletso ya me ke gore, a diteme tse dingwe tse tsotlhe, go tsenngwe madi go leka go tokafatsa ditso tsa bone. Fa o bona re le mo loagong le le ntle jaana, ke gore diteme tse dingwe di ne tsa amogela gore di gatelelwe, kana di ne tsa amogelwa gore di amogele tsamaiso e e leng teng. Ke dumela gore ke nako gompieno gore go tsenngwe madi le bone ba kgone go itemogela ka fa ba tshwanetseng go tsamaisa culture ya bone ka teng.

E nngwe rraetsho ke ya Youth Development Fund (YDF). Go na le ketsaetsego kwa Francistown, mme ke dumela gore le mo Gaborone go ntse jalo. Bana ba ba setseng ba isitse projects tsa bone go tsaya lebaka to evaluate them. Jaanong sone seo se dira gore monana, a fele pelo, ka ke motho yo o felang pelo ka bonako. Bontsi jwa bone ba felela ba fela pelo. Fa re tla jaanong ministry wa re, “ga ke bone banana ba ba tlang go tsaya mananeo, ba dirwa ke eng?” Lebaka le lengwe ke lone la delay. Delay o ka e dira mo mothong yo o setseng a godile, not mo bananeng.

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Constituency allowances; ba ba setseng ba tshamekile mo constituencies tsa bone ga ba ise ba duelwe jaaka ke bua le wena jaana, go tswa ngwaga o o fetileng. Ke ipotsa gore mathata tota a ka tswa a bakwa ke eng. Se sengwe gape re ntshitse constituency offices mo metshamekong e. Go bakile gore re nne le diemo tse di sa tsamaeng sentle, tse di amanang le yone constituency tournaments. Re setse re na le bothata jwa gore tournaments tsa constituencies ga di tsamae sentle. Go na le, constituency e nngwe e e bapileng le Francistown East, fa gotwe metshameko, banana ba teng ba ya kwa Francistown East, ga go laolesege. Motlotlegi o teng gone fa wa constituency e ke buang ka yone. Ga go laolesege, banana ba teng ba tlola fela. Jaanong diemo tsone tseo di bakwa ke gore…

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: E go tšhaetse sir.

MR KGOROBA (MOGODITSHANE): Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. Mogoditshane e le number two after Molepolole mo metseng, in terms of population mo Botswana. Go raya gore kwa bananeng tota fa o bua gape le ka bone, dipalo tsa banana re ka tsaya gore Mogoditshane still comes second countrywide. Re le mo Mogoditshane jaana, we are landlocked ka gore fa o tswa mo Mogoditshane ke metse fela ga gona naga ya temo kana go rua. Go raya gore tota mananeo a gago Honourable Minister ka gore a itebagantse thata le tsa temo ntswa go na le tsa kgwebo, ke lemogile gore le atisa thata, because it is simple go remelela mo go ya temo le leruo. Ga gona kwa re ruelang teng rraetsho. Jaanong tota gore bana ba rona ba akole mananeo a, ke a dikgwebo. Fa e le a dikgwebo jaana, regulations tsa Puso ya gago di thata gore bana ba Kgaolo ya Mogoditshane can access them, ka gore fa Mogoditshane a le gaufi le toropo go raya gore rents tsa madirelo di tshwana fela le tsa toropo. Tota ga e ka ke ya re monana a simolola kgwebo, e bo e le gore o kopana le rents tsa bo P8 000, P10 000. Tota le fa e ne le P5 000, it is still a lot of money. In the last year ke ne ka bua gape ke kopa gore a ko le sekasekeng regulations ka bonako jo bo kgonafalang ka gore le fa ntswa re se na naga, mme mantlonyana re na le one kwa Mogoditshane. Moraka wa rona ke one mantlonyana one a one rooms kana two rooms. Ke one a re tshelang ka one. Ga gona jarata e e senang two and half kana terenanyana ya the one room gore re itshidise ka one. O fitlhela e le gore batsadi are always willing gore, mme o ne o ka tsaya two and half ele kana room wa gwebela mo go yone. Go bo go raya gore molao wa kgwebo jaanong o a gana, e le gore nnyaa, kana o ne a tlaa nna a leboga motsadi ka P400 kana P500, as compared to rentals tsa industrial and commercial places. Re ne re dumalana fa o araba, o bua gore as long as kgwebo ya teng e se e e leng gore gongwe e borai to the neighbourhood, but we are on the next year and nothing has been done up to this stage.

Ke a hutsafala, e kare Puso e maikaelelo a yone e atlholetse Kgaolo ya Mogoditshane gore e nne ya batho ba ba tlhobogilweng. Ke bua jaana ke sa tswa go umaka gore, fa ke re level of unemployment is so high mo Mogoditshane, predominantly amongst the youth. E bo e re mo gompienong jaana ke bo ke na le dikole tsa junior community di le pedi kwa Mogoditshane. Go raya gore kwa Mogoditshane ga re na to produce dingaka, engineers kana any product in the field of science, ka gore dikole tsa rona tsotlhe ga gona le fa e le science laboratory. Gape science laboratories tse di oketseditse classes. I have a school e e leng gore an average ya students in a class is sixty (60). Ke gore ke ipotsa gore le fa o ne o tlisitse mmantswitswidi yo o ntseng jang, tota o teng teacher yo o ka lebagananag le classes di le five (5) di na le bana ba le sixty (60), gore what kind of products are we going to produce. Go raya gore our children are destined to fail academically. If they are destined to fail academically, resort e ya go nna gore ba leke matshelonyana. Fa kwa matshelonyaneng go pala, bana ba ba santse ba le mo sekoleng jaana…

MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR KGATHI): On a point of clarification. Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. Mokaulengwe, kgang e o e buang e utlwala e tshwenya. Ke ne ke re can you help by providing the details tsa sekole se se nang le bana ba average 60 per class gore ke se fe, re tle re kgone go fetisa mafoko a kwa go bo Tona ba Thuto?

MR KGOROBA: Ke Mogoditshane Community Junior Secondary School, in all Form One (1) classes, the average is sixty (60). I am telling you the truth.

Ke boele gape kwa Internship. A ga le oketse nako ya Internship ka gore bana ba a fetsa koo, ba a nna, ditiro ga diyo? Ke a itse gore dipalo tsa bone di di ntsi, mme ga le leke go sekaseka. Ke a itse gore le tlile ka Graduate Volunteer Scheme (GVS), mme ga le leke go sekaseka gore madi a mangwe le ka leka go dira budget ya Internship ka gore tota le fa e se tiro, golo gongwe e ne e thusa bana gore ba nne ba totobe. Ke tshwanetse go gakolola segolo jang in public offices ka gore in the private sector, it has been abused. I would not advise that we extend it to the private sector because ga ba batle go hira, ba hira Internship fela, mme mo diofising tsa rona tsa Puso kana maphata a Puso, gongwe re ba sekasekele foo.

Selo se sengwe gape, as much as ministry wa gago o lebaganye le dilo tsa banana, gongwe ke nako ya gore le lebelele le botsadi ka gore mananeo otlhe a rona a Puso a itebagantse le banana, mme kwa botsading ga go na sepe. Ke dumela gore ngwana fa a gola a setse a le in the early 20s, ga a ise a nne mature, between 20

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and 30, go a bo go santse go batliwa gore a nne mature. Gongwe fa re ne re ka tla ka mananeo a a ka kgatlhang bo mmangwanaabone kana batsadi ba bone ba ba santseng ba le mo ditirong, gore bogolo e nne bone ba ba sutelang ka gore ke dumela gore batsadi e bile ba ka dirisa mananeo botoka gona le banana. O tlaa bona e le gore out of 100 per cent, maybe it is 30 per cent tota ya banana tota ba ba yang go tswelela sentle because of the maturity level jaaka ke bua, mme 70 per cent o fitlhela go santse e le tshipidi tonto. Jaanong fa re ne re ka leka to shift, re bone gore fa re ka neela bagolo mananeo a ba a tlhokang a re tlaabong re dirile evaluation re bonye gore a ka siamela bagolo, gongwe re ne re ka bona diphatlha di tlhaga mo ditirong.

Nngwe ya dilo tse di ntshwenyang gape ke gore fa re bua ka banana, especially ba ba feditseng kwa tertiary schools, ke bone tota ba ba senang ditiro ka gore ba a bo ba solofetse gore ka gore re tsenye sekole, re ka bona ditiro dingwe tse di rileng. Ke tshwenngwa ke ditiro tse di santseng di tshwerwe ke batswakwa. Ke gore fa o ya in all the private schools, go simolola fela ka crèches go ya go tsena fela ka secondary schools, even the private tertiary schools, ke gore all these private schools go tletse batswakwa, 90 per cent ke batswakwa. Le fa bana ba ba tswa go dira Business Administration kana Computing, ditiro di seyo jaaka di seyo jaana, golo gongwe, Target 20 000 ya dirwa sentle ngwana yo o tsenyeng sekole yo o rutegileng sentle, a upgrade jaaka go na le programme ya bo Post Graduate Diploma in Education (PGDE) a dire specialisation sa Setswana, English, kana Geography kana eng fela. Batho ba, a ba ko ba sutele bana ba rona. Re tseye kgato gape re le Puso, ra gagamaletse these private schools and institutions gore ba hire. Mo nakong ya gompieno, ga se mo re ka bong re re a Mathematics teacher kana ya Chemistry o tshwanetse gore a tswe kwa ntle. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse di ka go rolang morwalo kwa bananeng fa o ka press the relevant ministry and your Government gore ba sekaseke go fokotsa batho bao. Rre Batshu le ene ga ke itse gore ba ba fa permits jang bana ba rona ba tletse ba le qualified, e bo e le gore fa o tsena fela kwa Legae kana Rainbow, go tletse batswakwa. Primary schools tsone ga ke bue, ke batswakwa fela, mme ba ne ba ka sutela bana ba rona gore ba bereke.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. Ke eme nokeng kopo ya ga Tona ke bo ke tsena mo kgannyeng fela ya gore kana go tokafatsa lenaneo le la Youth Development fund (YDF) bogolo jang, ke gatelela gongwe mafoko mangwe a a setseng a kile a buiwa ke Mopalamente yo mongwe yo o ntseng a bua fa, ke go ba rutuntsha mo ba bo ya go fiwa madi a

go simolola dikgwebo. Mathata a tswa mo go reng fa ba direlang teng go turu, ba palelwa ke rentals tse di kwa godimo. Mathata a mangwe ke a procurement gore le maphata a ga Goromente bogolo jang, thulaganyo ga e a tsepama fela sentle gore banana fa ba ntsha dithoto tse maphata a ga Goromente a di tlhokang, ba rotloediwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Le fa re ntse re kwadile reservations tse tsa bo 20 per cent le mo gongwe, mme fela implementation e santse e le bokoa thata. Ke sone se o bonang dikgwebo tsa bone di phutlhama ka pela jaana. Fa ba se na go nna ba fiwa madi fa ba direlang teng to sustain their businesses, gore re bo re dirisa budgets tsa rona re le Puso go ba rotloetsa gore ba kgone go ikemela ka dinao, ga re go dire go tsepame. Ke sengwe se se dirang gore dikgwebo tsa banana di phutlhame. Kwa kgaolong ya me di phutlhame di le mmalwa, e le ntateng ya rent.

Go ne go na le banna ba bangwe kwa Mathangwane ba ne ba dirile garage, ba filwe dithoto tse tsotlhe, mme e le gore dikoloi tsa Puso tse di mo sub-district gongwe e tshwana le ya Tutume, ga go na ope yo o ba lebang gore dikoloi tsa Puso re ka isa kwa go bone ba ya go dira service ya tsone. Ba feletse ba tswala ka go tlhoka yo o ba emang nokeng ka gore ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi mo motseng, ga e ka ke ya nna bone fela ba ba emang nokeng. Jaanong kopo ke gore golo mo re go tsenye leitlho thata, re lebelele dikgwebo le tse dingwe, re se ka ra taboga fela le dipalo gore re file banana ba le kana. Re lebelele gore ba re ba fileng, re ba rotloetsa jang gore dikgwebo tsa bone di gole ba kgone go thapa banana ba bangwe ka gore fa re ka taboga ka dipalo gore re file ba le kana, kgantele e tlaabo e le matlotla fela e le gore jaanong bana ba mo dikolotong go sena ope yo o ba imololang. Ke sone se re tshwanetseng gore re se lebelele kwa lephateng Tona gore ba le setseng le ba file, le ba tshegetsa jang gore ba se ka ba phutlhama. E re fa go tla go fiwa ba bangwe ba basha, e bo e le gore bale bone ba tsweletse kwa pele, ba kgonne go thapa ba bangwe ka gore ga se gore banana botlhe ba ka nna bo mmadikgwebo kana bo rradikgwebo, ba tshwanetse gore ba thape ba bangwe.

Kgang e nngwe Tona ke ya community fields tse o buileng fa ka tsone, di nine (9) fela tse di buiwang fa. Gongwe ga go tlhalosege gore fa gotwe di a tokafadiwa, go tewa di tokafadiwa di tsenngwa eng, se se dirang gore di bo di le nine (9) fela tse di dirwang mo mafelong a beilweng fa, mme e le gore sports tse di diragalang tse mo metseng ka go farologana, go na le mabala a banana ba ba a dirisang. Bogolo fela fa re ne re ka simolola gore fa go nang le lebala, ra ya go le agelela fela, go le tsenya terata gore ba kgone go le dirisa, go ka thusa go tokafatsa seemo, go sa dirwe mabala ape a matona a a tlhokang madi a mantsi. Nine (9) yo, o monnyennyane

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thata, ga a na go ya go goroga kwa re eletsang go goroga teng ka nako fa e le gore re ka tsamaya ka pace yone e ya gore go bo go dirwa nine (9) fela. E bile go lebega o kare o lebile metse e metona fela. Go raya gore kwa metseng e mennyennyane, ba ya go salela kwa morago, ba salela ruri. Le bone a ba lebiwe go bonwe gore ba ka thusiwa jang.

Ke tsene mo kgannyeng ya youth centre. Kwa kgaolong ya me ga go na youth centre. Re tswa kgakala kwa motseng wa Borolong, Mathangwane le Sebina, re go kwalela re re, re na le lefelo ke le, o ka tla wa le baakanya wa le dirisa, mme nako kgolo ke eno.

E nna dipotso tsa letsatsi le letsatsi gore, “kana re sale re kwaletse ministry gore we offer lefelo ke le, le ka dirisiwa, ga go na tswelelopele, a jaanong re le tseye re le dirisetse se sele kana re le ise go sele?” Lefelo le le neng le le teng kwa Borolong, ba setse e le gore jaanong ba ba ikadimang ditsa batho, ba feta ba tsena mo lefelong leo ba utswa, ba senya mme e le lefelo le le neng le na le dikago tse di ka bong di ne di ka baakanngwa fela ka madi ape a a seng mantsi gore banana ba kgone gore ba kokoanele teng foo, ba kgone go thusiwa ba na le lefelo le ba thusetswang mo go lone.

Kgang ya youth officers ba kgaolo, kgang e tona e nna gore kana banana are very mobile mme fa e le gore go isiwa motho yo o ba tlhokomelang, gongwe e bile e le molekane wa bone le ka dingwaga, ga go ye teng ka gore le gone go ba kokoanya a sena transport, a sena sepe se a se tshotseng, go bokete thata. Go bo go raya gore le bone banana fa ba ne ba ka iteka ba kgona go thusiwa, ba felela ba salela kwa morago ka gore yo o ba kokoanyang ga a kgone gore a ba kokoanye ka tsela e e lebanyeng kana ka nako e e lebanyeng a tsenelela le kwa dikgaolong tse di kwa kgakala ka gore ga a na sone sepalamo se se mo isang. Ke re e nne nngwe ya dikgang tse o di lebelelang Tona go bona a way of empowering these youth officers ka ditsompelo tse di ka dirang gore ba tsenelele mo dikgaolong jaaka ba tshwanetse.

Ke lemogile fa e le gore kwa ntle ga fa e le gore ke tlodisitse matlho, centres of excellence, go na le lebaka go builwe gore go na le dikole tse di ka dirwang centres of excellence go leka go tlhabolola metshameko ka go farologana. Ga go tlhagelele gore o di tlamela jang ka gore ba bangwe e sale fela gotwe sekole sa bolebelebe e tlaa nna centre of excellence ya mabelo kana ba sports tse di tshwanang le bo volleyball, e bo e nna yone puo fela go bo go felela gone foo. Ga re bone maduo, mme go na le dingwaga di ka feta bobedi kana boraro kana bone go ntse go builwe ka tsone. Jaanong e nna o kare re tla re bua dikgang re bo re di boela kwa morago mme re sa bolelele setšhaba gore nnyaa, kgang ele re e fetogetse. Re ne re dumela gore mo nakong ya gompieno, re ka bo

re setse re kgona go di tlotlomatsa re itse gore dikole tse di neng di tlhophilwe, how they are performing in terms of sports, go na le tsela fela e e tsepameng ya ka fa ba tlhokomelwang ka teng. Ke sengwe se ke eletsang gore re se tseye ka tlhwaafalo fa re batla gore re nne competitive in our sports output, re tshwane le mafatshe a mangwe.

Kgang ya bofelo e nna yone ya dituelo tsa metshameko ya arts and culture, dituelo tse tsa Botswana tournaments di bonya. Ke selo se se tshwenyang banana thata kwa dikgaolong gore ba a tshameka, go bo go nna le melatsa e e leng gore jaanong ga ba duelwe ka nako. Mme kana fa ba ile go tshameka jaana, mo gongwe ba kopa dipalamo mo bathong ka go farologana gore re a tsamaya re ya kwa motseng wa bokete, re kopa sepalamo, e tlaa re fa re filwe madi a re a tshameketseng, re tle re go duele. Fa go nna le melatsa e e tsayang dingwaga tse pedi kgotsa go feta, go nna bothata jaanong, e nna gore rona Mapalamente ke rona ba re nnang re tshwenyega gore Mopalamente re pege re ye kwa mme ba na le madi a ba a tshameketseng a a neng a ka ba thusa go tsweledisa metshameko ya bone, ba ntsha le dikoloto tse ba nang le tsone. Mma ke felele teng fa.

MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR KGATHI): Thank you Madam Chairperson. Ke go lebogile thata mme. Ke bone sebaka sa gore ke akgele mo Lephateng la ga Honourable Olopeng. Madam Chairperson, Honourable Olopeng o eteletse ministry o o botlhokwa fela thata, o o neng wa simololwa ke mme mongwe e le Tona, mme wa teng o ntse mo setilong e le Modulasetilo gone jaana. E rile go tswa foo, a thaya selo sa tsamaya sentle ka mananeo, ga tshwara rre mongwe ba re ke General Pheto, o bo o nneela Mmaetsho, mme ka tshegetsa ministry o ka matsetseleko. Ke ne ka neela fela go tlhamaletse, ke neela monana gore a tsamaise ministry o, jaanong ke sone se le bonang ke re...

MR MOLATLHEGI: Correction. Ke ne ke re ke baakanyetse Tona Kgathi, Honourable Olopeng ga se monana, ke Tona wa Banana.

MR KGATHI: Nnyaa, Seretse was acting, I handed to yo o neng a le substantive. Se ke se buang ke gore Tona o tshwere ministry o o botlhokwa thata, o tshwere ministry o e leng gore it is the heartbeat of the population of this nation o e leng wa banana. Se sengwe se ke batlang go se tlhalosa ke gore Goromente yo wa rona yo is pro-youth in terms of all thinking and all actions. Dilo tse tsotlhe fa di dirwa, go akanngwa banana, banana ba bewa kwa pele. Selo se ke selo se sentle se se sa diragaleng mo mafatsheng a mantsi. The reason why ke re Goromente yo is pro-youth, the empowerment programmes tse di leng fa, tse tsotlhe by

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all facets, look at the budget ya Education, the entire budget ya Ministry of Education runs in billions and it is all for young people, it is targeting skills development. Budget ya Health and Wellness, because young people in terms of statistics ke bone ba ba amiwang ke makoa a mantsi a a rileng, that huge budget is targeting young people. Budget ya Security within the Ministry I am leading gone jaana, you look at over 70 per cent of the police staff are young people within the Police Force and many of young people in the army le kwa Prisons, population ya teng are young people. That huge budget e le neng le batla go e kgaola bakaulengwe, you were going to counter our desire to develop young people. This is what I really want to paint gore this Government is pro-youth in that manner and I want to put it to you gore the programmes tse re di tshwereng are globally competitive (all the empowerment programmes). You dare stand up, give me an example of a country e e nang le programmes of empowerment tse di gaisang tsa Ministry wa ga Honourable Olopeng. Mananeo a a nonofileng jaana ke a ke reng ke leboga Minister Olopeng gore a ba a a tshegeditse ka bonatla jo bo kana le babereki le ene.

Youth Development Fund (YDF), ka re I am challenging anybody Honourable Khan, a mphe sekai se e leng gore there is better programme than the YDF in Africa and the entire sub-region.

MR KHAN: Clarification. Thank you Madam Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Honourable Minister o tlhalose gore fa o re young people o felela ka age efe ka gore gone jaana o ntse o supa Honourable Minister Olopeng e le monana, le wena o tle o ipitse monana. So fa o re 70 per cent ya batho ba ba hirilweng ke banana, up to what age are you talking about?

MR KGATHI: You know, batho ba Molepolole are seriously unfortunate, ba na le Mopalamente yo o sa itseng gore youth definition e ema fa kae! Honourable Member, wa re o emetse banana kwa Molepolole mme ga o itse gore definition ya banana e ema fa kae? Oh my God! Oh my goodness! Anyway, for the benefit, it is 18 to 35, that is the youth definition. You go to the police and look at the statistics, look at the statistics ya botlhe ba ba berekang mo police, we are looking at those numbers. Jaanong it is most unfortunate gore o le leloko…

The programme ya Economic Diversification Drive (EDD) Honourable Member, I want you to put an effort o buisane le ba Trade, o bone how you could extract the benefit that young people can derive…

DR P. BUTALE: On a point of procedure Madam Chair. Thank you Madam Chairperson. I just want you

to guide me here. Every time when we speak or purport to be quoting any statistic, we are often asked to provide sources; but the Member on the floor is suggesting that 70 per cent of police is made up of the youth and yet he is not helping us to understand where he gets those figures from. I do not know whether it will be procedural to proceed just on his word, which I very much doubt.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Botsa ene.

MR KGATHI: Madam Speaker, ke na le dipalo tsa babereki ba Sepodise. Ke ka tla ka mo thusa kwa ntle ga House e. Le yo a sa itseng population ya banana, ke tlaa tla ke ba thusa. Ke kopa go tswelela.

Madam Speaker, Tona a lebelele EDD gore o ka ntsha go le kae for the benefit of the young people. That is a very good policy pronouncement by this Government, e ke reng e ka thusa banana gore re dire jalo.

Ke leboga ministry wa gago Tona. This ministry has transformed the music industry mo lefatsheng le. For the first time ever since le tsweledisa mananeo a thulaganyo ya music, we have seen the popular polka, we have seen mmino wa Sebirwa, Sebanderu, le mmino e e rileng, e e leng gore even before, they were not pronounced to the level where we are in this ministry. This is truly what the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) stands for. Not so long ago ka 2012, this ministry produced the first ever medal from the London Olympics. This ministry sent for the first time ever in the history of sport in this country, a team for the Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON) competitions. We are saying these are successes that will go a long way in terms of a legacy.

Coming to the constituency e ke e emetseng, it has got abundance of talent; exemplified by batho ba ba tshwanang le bo Shumba Ratshega le Slizer, bana ba ba tswang kwa kgaolong. They have endowed in them, performance e e kwa godimo fela thata.

Ga go felele foo, kgaolo e ke e emetseng, e na le skill se se ntsi sa sport, particularly in terms of football. Fa re lebelela gone jaana, ke leboge team ya rona kwa Bobonong e ba e bitsang Peace Makers, e e leng gore mo Second Division, ke Number 1. E latelelwa within the Second Division category ke JPS e e tswang mo Bobonong e le Number 2 le yone. Now I am committing gore re tlaa tswelela re ba rotloetsa gore ba kgone go tsena in the First Division and eventually in the Premier Division.

Tona, o ne o re solofeditse stadium. Ke ne ke lebile budget ya gago, ga ke bone madi. Ke kopa gore fa e le gore go na le bothata, o bue le Rre Matambo o ye go kopa supplementary. Stadium sele se le se beileng kwa Bobonong se le reng le tlaa se aga, le tle le se dire.

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Re na le thulaganyo ka December in the whole constituency e re thusang banana to empower them. Kwa kgaolong ya Gobojango-Semolale-Mabolwe, over Christmas, from the entire Christmas until bo 2nd, 3rd

bana ba mo kampeng go tshamekwa tournaments. We make contributions from the gate takings, mo e leng gore it is a contribution ya community mo go ageng bana. Fa godimo ga foo, re na le thulaganyo e e leng gore ke le Mopalamente, ke biditse banana ba ba filweng Youth Development Fund (YDF) not so long ago, gore re ba thuse ka empowerment programmes. We ordered some consultants from South Africa. Ke re ke sengwe se e leng gore Honourable Khan, you must benchmark from us, o kgone go thusa bana ba Molepolole.

Minister, Constituencies allowances, dituelo tseo ga ke na mercy mo go tsone, go na le ditiego. Ke kopa gore o bue le bana ba gago gore ba ba duele thulaganyo eo gore bana ba kgone go dira dithulaganyo tsa go nna jalo. Ka gore ditiego tse di kana, di lapisa bana mogopolo, e bile di ba ntsha mo maikaelelong. Ke a go kopa mokaulengwe gore a ko o iteye bana ba gago ka thupana. E re fa go tshwanetse gore ba duelelwe se ba se dirileng, ba kgone gore ba se duelwe.

Kwa thulaganyong ya mananeo a P2 Million yo o fiwang dikgaolo, re bontshe gore ngwaga le ngwaga kwa kgaolong, bana ba ba boneng projects ba kae, re kgone go ba itse, re ba rotloetse, re go thuse. Ka jalo, ke re a ko re dumalaneng ba rotlhe re re, ee, motho yo re mo neele madi a ye go tlhabolola banana. Ke a leboga.

DR P. BUTALE (GABORONE CENTRAL): Thank you Madam Chairperson. I want to begin by cautioning the Minister responsible for the Youth that as a country, we are sitting on a time bomb and I want the Minister to register this, that our young people are increasingly losing hope. We have indeed condemned our young people to soul-sapping inactivity. As much as we are spending so much money as the Minister has been pointing out, there is very little to show Honourable Minister when you look at the lives of our young people. I have looked and listened to Honourable Member speaking here and I concur that something drastic has to be done to address the challenges facing our young people.

I agree with Honourable Molao when he was speaking about the change in terms of the way we approach these issues. I speak every time in Parliament about the need for us to stop reporting at the output level. He spoke in Setswana, and he said, “re se ka ra taboga ka dipalo gore re file banana ba le kae, bokae, re lebelele gore kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, what change has that occasioned?” When I speak about outputs versus outcome, this is what I am talking about. We do not want to hear about

the activities of your ministry. We do not want to hear about the amount of money that you have squandered, we want to hear about the difference in the lives of these young people.

I also fully agree with Honourable Belle when he says that there is indeed a need…

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: It is Billy.

DR P. BUTALE: Oh! Yes I agree Madam Chairperson, it is Belle.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Hey! Not Belle, Billy.

DR P. BUTALE: I agree with Honourable Billy my brother, that there is need for evaluation. Honourable Minister, I always say this to you, that there is too much trial and error in your Ministry. You are throwing money left, right and centre. You are on some spending spree at your ministry. I think when you look back, you are going to see a lot of disaster in terms of the money that has been spent. When I talk about trial and error, how many of these programmes; you talk about Target 20 000, Boot Camp, Tirelo Sechaba, GV something, Internship and you are spending lots of money. How are these programmes integrated? How do they add onto one another? Right now all of them are full. You are not taking any more young people into this because you have not thought-out, you have not conceptualised exactly what you want to get. If somebody graduates from the Internship, where do they go, because you are not creating jobs? Internship is now like a permanent job. People who are supposed to be hiring our young people are exploiting them.

That is why I think we need to rethink Honourable Minister. Take all this money, put it in some strategic meeting, come up with a proper strategy that will help our young people and take these resources to put them to good use. I think what we are doing now is just wasteful expenditure that is not helping our young people. We need a properly thought-out strategy.

If you listen to an idea that I want to bring, a Four Pronged Approach would help you. A Four Pronged Approach based on supporting or support as one anchor point. You support through capacity development of young people. Currently I do not know in terms of capacitation, what is your approach? I meet young people who tell me, “we may not have money, we may be poor materially, but we are not poor mentally. We have a lot of ideas.

The problem is that the ministry concerned comes to us with ideas of their own, which we do not subscribe to”. Young people have ideas, and they want you to capacitate them within these ideas. This is why I always

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talk about Amartya Sen who says, “Development has to be about capacitation.” You need to move away from, like Honourable Molao was saying, Mathematical estimations and gradations. The first thing you give is figures, figures, but we are talking about lives. We are talking about people who want to improve their lives. So, you need to listen to young people, listen to their ideas, and come up with a strategy that will work for our young people.

One of those ways is also to engage young people. I see Minister that you do try in your advocacy issues, but what I want to see is mainstreaming of youth issues in all spheres of development planning.

Youth is not about your ministry, it is about every other ministry. I was shocked when Honourable Kgathi was speaking earlier on purporting to paint this Government as a Government that loves the youth, and talking about the forces, and giving example of the forces that he so much misrepresents. I come from a constituency where there are Botswana Defence Force (BDF) camps and Prisons Department. Hey! I came to this Parliament and spoke about young people who have put their lives on the line to defend this nation, but they were staying in tents in Maruapula Special Support Group (SSG) Camp. You tell me that that is something to celebrate; because of this lack of good ideas, because you guys do not plan things; you spend on the run, now you want to come here and you want us to join you in celebrating mediocrity. We will not. We want proper ideas Honourable Minister. We like your energy; I personally like your energy, and if energy is properly harnessed, I guess we can then be able to arrive at a very good point.

MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR KGATHI): Clarification. Ke a leboga Honourable Member. Ke ne ke re a ko o tlhalose, are you not talking at gross purposes with what the young people in your area desire, because there is a great pronouncement ya gore re batla mananeo a go thusa a constituency tournaments le mananeo a moopelo le Youth Development Fund (YDF), and here in Parliament, you are saying this is wasteful.

DR P. BUTALE: I never blame God for a lot of things, but I always give human beings an opportunity to prove themselves over and over again. I give up on this man.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)…

DR P. BUTALE: I think my issue today is about the idea …

MR KGATHI: Point of procedure. Nnyaa gongwe the Honourable Member ka o mosha mo Palamenteng, a ko o mo tsenye mo tseleng. Fa motho a emelela a kopa clarification, ga o mo fetole ka go mo sotla. You clarify because we are debating.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)…

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa o utlwile gore ga o rate. Tswelela Dr Butale.

DR P. BUTALE: Thank you very much. I was just avenging for my brother Khan. The Honourable Member was not very kind to him.

I want us as Parliament to be engaged at the idea level. When the Honourable Member speaks about the need to promote the arts, I brought a motion to this Parliament, about a creative economy policy. That is the kind of thinking that I want to encourage Members of Parliament to be engaged in. Creative policies that will ensure that we indeed help young people, our performers, and help our artist to ensure that we add value to this talent that they have. This is the kind of thinking; you cannot expect me to come here and support boot camp that you were trying it out. The moment you realised it was not working, you stopped it abruptly, with no evaluation. We do not even know why it did not work.

You come up with Tirelo Sechaba. I know at some point it would not work, and you will stop it. So, this trial and error, you are wasting our resources and you are condemning our young people to a life time of poverty.

If we look back as a country Honourable Minister, if you were to come here and tell us how much you are spending on this trial and error stock taking measures, and we look at whether there is value for money, I think all of us here would agree there is no value for money.

You make pronouncements that each constituency is eligible or can get access to P2 Million. How many constituencies here are getting the P2 Million; or Two Million worth? I can give any Honourable Member here who can stand up and say, every financial year my constituency or youth in my constituency are assisted with this P2 Million. It is just tokenism. You want people to think you are active. Honourable Minister, I said I love your energy, but the energy I think for me is also a problem. You are running away with our money. You are spending on the run, and there is very little to show for it. I think I am recommending here Honourable Minister, stop and evaluate the damage that you have done so far so that we can save money, and save the future of our young people. I thank you.

MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Madam Chairperson …


MR MAJAGA: Madam Chairperson, o kare there is a lot of disturbances here.

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MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Order! Gatwe go rileng jaanong?

MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson, ka e le wena o tsamaisang gone ka koo, jaanong o kare re setse re tsamaisa re le ba ntsi.

Ke ne ke re Madam Chairperson, fa re bua ka banana, re bua gore they constitute 60-65 per cent population of this Republic. Okay! It is true. Mongwe o tlaa ema fa mo Palamenteng e a bo a re, se re se dirileng, kana se re se dirang re le the Government of the day gore go supafale kana mo go supegang gore re tlhokometse banana ke eng. For the past five years or more madi otlhe re ntse re a isa kwa Ministry of Education and Ministry of Health and Wellness. It is fine. Madam Chairperson, ke ne ke re madi a a fiwang lephata le for now, selo sa ntlha ga a a lekana ka gore re tshwanetse ra ema ka dinao ra baya banana on the spot gore go bonagale tota gore nnyaa mme we are caring for them and their future.

Madam Chairperson, maloba ke kile ka nna le toro, e le gore gongwe Tona Rraetsho Olopeng le mothusi wa gagwe, o kare ba ka ya kwa Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security. Honourable Kgathi yo o e leng gore o matlhagatlhaga, gongwe a busediwa ka kwano. E se gore ke a ba nyatsa, ba dira tiro e ntle. Mathata fela fa o re o lebelela mananeo a e leng gore a teng gone fa a banana, truly speaking ga go na coordination ya mananeo ao. The ministry has done the best jaaka re ne re ka bua; mo metshamekong, mo ngwaong, there we do not dispute. Ke maiteko e bile re a ba rotloetsa gore nnyaa ba tswelele ba dire jalo.

Madam Chairperson, fa o tsaya kgaolo ya rona e e leng gore ke ne ke utlwa bakaulengwe fa ba ntse ba lela bo Rre Batshu le borre Molao, Tutume Sub-District ke meleko ya bo Pharaoh, mathata a a tlhatlaganeng. O ya go fitlhela e le gore youth officers ba e leng gore gongwe ba na le maemo a a rileng a e leng gore a ka tsaya ditshwetso, botlhe ba kwa Tutume. Then you take three constituencies, o bo o tsaya Nata-Gweta, gatwe go na le youth officers mo toropong ya Sowa. Ke gore ke ba ba thusang fela go tlatsa forms tsa bana, then di bo di isiwa kwa Tutume. Jaanong o bo o ipotsa gore if you talk of such a huge constituency e e tshwanang le tsa bo Arone, ke eng officers tse di kwa Sowa di sa fiwe ditirelo tsotlhe tsa thusa banana, ga felela gone foo? Ga se ka ga nna go tsewa dilo tse di tswang mo Sowa di isiwa Tutume, tse di tswang kwa Nata ka gore go na le ofisinyana koo, di isiwa Tutume. O kare we are just duplicating tiro mme Sowa e le toropo mo e leng gore e ka bo e thusa banana. Ra re a banana ba thusiwe, gore maemo a rileng, mang ke mang, ga go sa tlhole go bereka mo dinakong tsa gompieno. Gore ke kwa Tutume, ke okametse bo semangmang le bo semangmang, golo moo go siilwe

ke nako. Go tshwana le sekole, o na le degree kana o na le masters, malatsi a batho ba hira experience, ga ba sa tlhole ba kgathiwa ke gore o okametse bomang. Kgaolo e, fa o bona Rre Batshu le Rre Molao ba ne ba lela jaana, tota go a hutsafatsa. Fa o tsaya kgaolo e tshwana le Nata-Gweta e e leng gore go a itsege gore ke ya batho ba ba rileng ba e leng gore a lot of their programmes ke tsa affirmative action, in seven villages tse e leng gore ke tsa tengnyanateng, ke e tle ke botse mo Palamenteng gore ba ba boneng mananeo ke bafe. O fitlhela e le gore tota dinako tse dingwe fa o eme mo Palamenteng fa o re o rebola madi, o a bo o sa itse gore o a rebolela bomang o re go rileng. Jaanong ke re a dikgang tsone tseo Honourable Minister, ka fa re go itseng ka teng, o di lebelele o bone gore di ka tokafadiwa ka seemo se se ntseng jang.

If you need money, come to this House, batho ba tlhola ba batla di supplementary gone fa and ba a di fiwa, wena o tlaabo o sentse eng. Go nne le officers tse e leng gore di ka ya go thusa banana.

Youth centres; Honourable Minister, ke ne ke re rraetsho eo ke a go kopa, tlhwaafala fela o tle mo Palamenteng re bone Mopalamente yo o tlaa ganang, o kope supplementary gore o ye mo mafelong a a saletseng kwa morago jaaka kwa bo Okavango kwa le bo Nata-Gweta, re bone gore go nna le two or more centres tse e leng gore di a supafala. Fa o tla gone fa, re tlaa bona yo o tlaa ganang, yo o sa batleng gore banana ba tlhabololwe. O se ka wa re madi ga a enough fela mme o sa tla Palamenteng go kopa madi a go nna jalo.

Kgang e nngwe gape re bua ka letlhoko la ditiro; ke ne ke re let us change this model, we must review these programmes. Gore re re re tlaa nna re neela banana projects tsa maP100 000 kana maP50 000, let us come up with some model wa businesses tse di tona tsa banana tse e leng gore di tlaa nna le botshelo go ya kwa pele. Let us group them, re ba neele madi a a bonalang. Fa ba le 10 in a constituency, then you give them P10 Million plus, ba bo ba ya go dira mall kana a tourism business jaaka kwa kgaolong ya me jaana, e le gore mafelo a teng ke a Botswana Tourism Organisation (BTO) fela le ba ba lebaneng, banana bone ga ba boelwe ke sepe, sa bone ke go nna bo makatane le baapei fela in those lodges. Why cannot we take them from different villages, we form a consortium, ba le ten, we give them P10 Million ba itirele lodge le bone ba thape ba bangwe. Then we will be doing something. Fa e le mo ga maP50 000, ke dikgwebo tse e leng gore di a wa. I think that one will be something go ka supafala gore banana ba kgaolo e ba le 10 or 15, ba ne ba bona P20 Million mme ba dirile jaana and it will go a long way. Jaanong ke re we must change these things re di lebelele jalo.

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MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification. Thank you. Re dumalana le wena thata le Tona o na le mogopolo oo. E kile ya re a tsena a bo a re he wants millionaire youths. Jaanong ke re fa re dumalana le wena jaana, mme tota gone ga se gore madi ke one bothata jaaka re bua?

MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Father of the House. I am still recalling his words a re o batla gore fa a tswa fa, go nne le five millionaires kana o ne a re billionaires. Ke re nako ga e ise e tšhae, o ka dira jalo, then we can be proud Batswana ka se a neng a se bua.

E nngwe gape ke ne ke re, fa re bua ka banana le rona re le batlotlegi re kopa gore banana ba tle mo Ntlong e. Ba e leng gore ba batla go tlogela ditiro, let us release them ba ye kwa mabaleng kwa ba ye go ipapatsa. Ba e leng gore ba fetsa dikole ba batla go tla mo Ntlong e, a re direng gore rona, bo Father of the House le bo Kgathi, re ba neele space ba tle fa le bone. Re se ka ra nna re re, “employment, employment” fela re sa simolole ka rona fa. Le bone ba ba itlhophelwang, next time fa re santse re le teng, re bone six e le banana fela. Re tlaabo re itse gore re ya golo gongwe. Re se ka ra nna re bua fela gore, “banana, banana” re simolole le mo Ntlong e re itse gore gone kwa ditiro ga di yo.

Tourism; tota ke ne ke re mo mafelong a a tshwanang a bo Okavango le Nata-Gweta, ke kope Chairperson gore le fa o ka fetola those funding models, we will help you. Re tlaa tsamaya kwa mafelong a rona and group banana ba rona at a centre …

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Order! It is now time for the Honourable Minister to respond.

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR OLOPENG): Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. Mma ke tseye sebaka se pele ke leboge Honourable Members ka contribution e ba e dirileng mo lephateng la me. Go kgonne go bua Mapalamente ba ka nna lesome mme mongwe le mongwe wa bone on average o buile about seven or eight points tse e leng gore di ya go dira gore ke se ka ka kgona go di akaretsa tsotlhe mme bongwanake will prepare written responses gore re tle re kgone gore rotlhe re utlwane.

Motlotlegi wa ntlha e bong Honourable Batshu, o ne a bua ka gore re etele kgaolo ya gagwe. Ke tse e leng gore re a itse gore re na le dikopo tse di tswang kwa kgaolong ya bone, re tlaa leka go dira jalo. A bo a bua gape ka turnaround time ya Youth Development Fund (YDF) application; Madam Chairperson this is a concern in our ministry. Go simolola last year we tried

to reengineer the process of adjudicating applications tsa YDF. Re bo re leka go tla ka model o o ka tsayang 33 days kana ke re 30 days which is a month after the submission ya application by a young person. Re santse re na le mathata a se, ka lebaka la gore, fa re bua ka go sekaseka application e e batlang madi, o fitlhela e le gore fa gongwe go na le mathatanyana fale le fale. Ga re a nna fa fatshe re bo re itlhoboga, we are working on it and we will make sure gore re tlaa tshwara 30 days go sa kgatlhalesege because re lemogile selo se sengwe se se dirang gore re se ka ra tshwara 30 days yo re mmeileng, ke communication. Gompieno mo this financial year, we are going to set up what we call a communication centre at the ministry, re e bitsa war room ka gore nna le Honourable Mzwinila re tlhaloganya sentle fa go ntse go tsenngwa bo war jaana mo teng. Our war room will be a communication centre e e leng gore e tlaabo e se a call centre, there is a difference between a communication centre le call centre. We will not be waiting for young people to call in and complain. On a day-to-day basis, we will be sending out information to the young people gore ba kgone go itse gore re tshotse eng le gore re ka kgona go ba thusa botoka jang.

Re na le interactive websites tse e leng gore bana ba rona ba ka kgona go…

MS KENEWENDO: On a point of clarification. Thank you Madam Chairperson le fa le ntimile go bua.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: A-e! You are out of order.

MS KENEWENDO: Sorry Madam Chairperson. Honourable Minister, ke kopa gore le tlhalose gore, will you be lobbying for the Ministry of Communications to deal with high charges associated with communication; calling and internet? Will you be providing internet and hotspots in youth centres so that youths can actually communicate with your ministry? Thank you.

MR OLOPENG: Thank you very much Madam Chairperson. Thank you Honourable Member. Yes, indeed o a itse o le monana gore fa go tla mo the high rates tseo ke di lwantsha nako le nako. Ke sone se o bonang gompieno ke ne ke na le Honourable Madigele, ka gore bana ba ntse ba tsena kwa ofising ya me complaining, ba bua ka high rates tsa bo Botswana Qualifications Authority (BQA). E bile Honourable Madigele o setse a tsere directive from Cabinet gore a ye go di phimola, go tliwe ka tse di sha, tse e leng gore they are affordable.

So re ya go buisana le ba Ministry of Transport and Communications gore re batla gore go nne le hotpots at every youth centre. E bile ba re they are not just going to concentrate mo the youth centres fela, ba ya go nna le the hotspots in every place tse di tshwanang le the

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mall jaana and so on. So tota maikaelelo a rona ke gore banana gongwe le gongwe fa ba leng teng ba kgone to access communication through Wireless Networking (Wi-Fi) at a very, very reasonable rate. E re ya go e sala morago.

Jaanong ke bo ke utlwa Honourable Batshu a bua ka gore kwa kgaolong ya gagwe go na le mathata a gore bana ba Graduate Volunteer Scheme (GVS) allowance ya bone e kwa tlase. Ke re yes, ke a tlhaloganya, tota ka gore kana re bua ka GVS, the scheme or the programme itself is self-explanatory, e bile se re se dirang at the ministry ke gore re batla go bereka gore jaanong e nna the other way round. Bana botlhe ba e leng gore ba batla go ya kwa internship ba tsene pele ka GVS, gore e re ba santse ba eme mo waiting list, e re ba tswa foo ke bone ba e leng gore they then graduate go ya kwa internship. Ka gore it does not make sense to us gore ngwana a tsene a tsaya allowance mo internship ya P1 200.00, e bo e re kwa morago a fetsa a bo a boela kwa go P600.00 ka kgwedi. Even though tota yone ka gore ngwana o a bo a ithaopile, re a bo re raya fela gore re kgone gore re mo neele madi a go ya go ithaopa koo, a palama combi a kgone go ja lunch kwa a leng teng. Fa o bua ka the stadiums rraetsho …

MS KENEWENDO: Clarification. Thank you Madam Chairperson and thank you Honourable Minister. Would you be willing to reconsider opening up the Internship Programme for the private sector, given that we are seeing that some of the interns in the private sector are actually working without even an allowance. They are suffering even more unlike before when they had a stipend from the Government. I will give you an example in the services sector where some of the waiters, waitresses and cleaners are put under an intern banner and are not being given anything and are just made to work for tips and are we looking at protecting those young people’s rights to ensure that at least they get a decent minimum wage? Thank you.

MR OLOPENG: Thank you Madam Chairperson. Thank you Honourable Member. Honourable Member, I think you are much aware that we used to post interns to private sector and then we had to stop that for the different reasons. The reason why we did that is because we have realised that some of the private companies, the moment they get interns into their companies they retrench permanent staff and labour ya bone depend upon the interns. We are really looking into that. If we happen to open to private sector again it will be with condition and the condition would be, if we give a private company interns, we would demand gore that company should top up ka 100 per cent of the allowance that young person is getting from Government. Fa e le gore ngwana o tsaya P1 200.00 e bo e le gore the private

company top up ka the same P1 200.00 in order to make it P2 400.00. Ga re batle gone gore jaanong e nne o kare ke bone ba ba direlang ditiro. So re tshaba gone those exploitations tsa gore bana ba tlaabo ba tsewa ba bo ba ya go duelwa madinyana a e seng a sepe, gotwe ke waiters or waitresses.

Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka di stadium Honourable Batshu gore re go utlwile, even other Members ba ne ba bua ka di sports facilities in different areas in their constituencies and so on. Ke tsaya gore ke badile budget. Le bone gore development budget ka re P35 Million. Moo ke mathata, mme e bile madi a teng go setse go na le kwa a yang teng. P35 Million yole o ya go tsenya roof ya Very Important People (VIP) ya Francistown Stadium, a bo a boa a tlhaela. Therefore we have challenges. What we did in the ministry, we came up with three categories that we plan mo go tsone. Re na le stadium, mini-stadium, le community sport development. You know, stadium re a bo re bua ka in case of Gaborone Stadium or Francistown Stadium. Mini-stadium re a bo re bua ka something smaller than that. Community sports field re bo re ya kwa kgaolong ya ga honourable makgorwane, re bo re fitlhela lebala la bolo la Mokgosi, re bo re le tsenya artificial turf, ablutions, scaffolding, re bo re teratelela mme re itse gore mo teng go na le netball and volleyball. We are not going to come up with one size fits all, it will depend gore re fa kae, tse dingwe tsa the additions ke dife, but football e tlaa nna the common one. Re a itse gore ke yone e e leng gore e ratiwa lefatshe lotlhe, ka gore gape football pitch e dira gore re nne le track around, e e leng gore e tlaabo e se na rubber, gongwe e le mmu. E e leng gore e tlaabo e le athletics, ke sone se e leng gore re itse gore it will cost us around P5 Million to build the community sports field.

Mo e leng gore fa re ne re ka bona madi sentle, re ne re ka tsena to 57 constituencies very easily. Re bo re itse gore at least fa e le gore ga gona stadiums mme gone go na le community sports field, because that will cost us between five (5) Million and ten (10) Million depending on what other accompanying fields re ya to develop, mo gongwe e nne tennis. Ga se gore re tlaa dira gotlhe gore e nne netball le football.

MR REATILE: Clarification. Thank you Madam Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Honourable Minister fa o santse o le gone foo, mo development fund e e leng gore ke ya Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) ba Botswana Foootball Association (BFA) ba leka to source madi a teng go le kae, maiteko a teng ke a fe? Mo plan ya bone ba go solofeditse gore a ngwaga e kana ngwaga o o tlang, go na le madi mangwe a e leng gore they have applied for kwa FIFA for development go netefatsa gore one mabala a o buang ka one ao ba tswelele ba ntse ba a dira, fela jaaka ba dirile Lekidi?

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MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson, ke a leboga Honourable Member. Go ntse jalo rraetsho, go na le madi a e leng gore o fitlhela ba a fiwa ka BFA. Last year ba ne ba tabogile around Francistown, ba kile ba ya go kopana le Council ya Francistown e le gore ba ne batla gore ba fiwe the old stadium ya Francistown, ba dirise madi a teng to develop themselves. Ba bo ba leka go lebelela around the surrounding ya Francistown gore ba kgone go bona lebala go dira jalo. So ke raya gore madi one a teng rraetsho, ga ke ise ke nne le report e e siameng gore ngwaga ono go tsamayatsamaya fa kae and so on. Ba tlaa tla ba mpolelela mo dibekeng tse pedi gore ngwaga ono ba ya go bona bokae jang. Re bo re kgona to share ideas gore re kgone go dira projects tse di tshwanang tsele mmogo.

Library; Rre Batshu re a lebisisa rraetsho gore re bone gore go tsamaya fa kae kwa kgaolong ya gago. Ke a itse gore o bua ka motse o motona o e leng gore o fetilwe ke reading room, ka gore re na le di reading rooms re bo re nna le library, gore re bone gore phatlha ya rona e ntse jang, ka gore re na le sponsor ba Rothschild, ba e leng gore ba a re thusa le bone go aga libraries in different areas.

Cultural festival; I really appreciate that rraetsho gore we are really encouraging different constituencies and districts to hosts cultural festivals. Ka gore dilo tse fa re bua ka culture, re bua ka kgang e tona e e leng gore e a re kopanya re le morafe wa Botswana. We are where we are today because re tsere culture ra e isa kwa godimo, ga re gatelele batho. Re na le bo Language Day, so go letlelela gore batho ba kgone gore ka letsatsi la teng ba ipoke ka diteme tsa bone, ba reng, jalojalo, gore re kgone gore go itsege gore re tswa kae, re ya kae.

Honourable Arone, ke a go leboga rraetsho gore you appreciate the kit e o e boneng kwa go nna. E ne e sa tswe from ministry, e tswa from my personal pocket, ka gore bana ba gago ba ne ba nkopile. Ke a go leboga rraetsho gore o ne o bua ka lefatshe, gore bana ba tlhoka lefatshe and ba tlhoka operating spaces. Ke batla go go gakolola gore fa re se na go nna re ya go kopa open spaces, gore banana ba dirise the open spaces wherever they are, re ne re sa bue ka dilo tsa ditoropo fela, tsa bo Gaborone, Francistown, Lobatse le Selebi Phikwe. Re ne re bua ka everywhere, gore banana can use existing operating spaces on permanent and also temporary bases. Depending gore ba batla go dira eng, mme together in consultation with land authorities. Ga re batle seemo se e leng gore bana ba tloga ba ya go baya businesses tse e leng gore ga di a siamela fa e leng gore di ka tswa ba di beile teng. O bo o fitlhela ngwana a aga mortuary fa kgorong ya jarata ya gago, le bo le lala le nna le nightmares bosigo, ka gore le tshaba batho ba ba suleng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR OLOPENG: Ke tlaa tla ke go neela Honourable Member, mma ke siane pele ka lebelonyana fa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification, mo go yone eo Minister.

MR OLOPENG: Ke bo ke bua gape ka gore rraetsho, o ne o bua ka kgang ya gore o na le mafelo a e leng gore a kgakalanyana, a tshwana kwa Sekondomboro, ke re you know that is a very good comment e e leng gore ke a e rata. Bongwanake ba a itse gore le ba reile la re, you should not come up ka a policy or procedures tse e leng gore ke one size fits all, because all constituencies are not the same. Fa gompieno o tsaya Constituency ya ga Honourable Mmolotsi ya Francistown South, molelwane wa yone le constituencies tse dingwe kana le wards tsa gagwe ke sekonotere, but fa o tsaya constituency e tshwana e e tswang kwa Kgalagadi, o fitlhela e le gore a ward is 100 kilometres away from another ward. So therefore we cannot compare the two. Re tshwanetse gore re tswe ka ditsela tse e leng gore re tlaa kgona go isa the services kwa bathong, because kwa ministry wa rona ke gore re ise services kwa baneng, bana ba kgone to access them go le gaufi and so on. Ke tsaya gore fa ke ntse ke riana ke buelela le ba bangwe ba e leng ba ne ba reeditse dikgang tse di tshwanang tse…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR OLOPENG: Rre Butale, o bue ka bonako o se ka wa tla to debate fa.

DR P. BUTALE: Nnyaa, e o neng o e tlogela fa moragonyana ele ya open spaces. Le le lephata, le thusa jang banana ba ba kopang open spaces? Kwa kgaolong ya me ke itse gore ba ba ntsi ba kopana le dikgwetlho fa ba batla go diragatsa sone se o reng ba ka kgona go se diragatsa.

MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Honourable Member. Banana ba tshwanetse gore ba tle kwa Ministry fa e le gore ba bone open space golo gongwe, ba sena go dira consultations le land authorities gore ba itse gore ba batla go dira eng, ka gore ga go thuse sepe a tla kwa go rona, go bo go re le rona re boele gape to land authorities re botse gore a ngwana o ka dira a, b, c, here. Go batla e re fa a bona open space, a bo a check ba Town and Regional Planning fa e le gore ke mo toropong. Fa e le gore ke kwa motseng, a check le ba land board gore ba ne ba ikaelela go reng and gape gore ba batla go baya permanent or temporary structure. Fa a na le dikgwetlho, a bo a tla kwa rona a re, “kana ba a pala jaanong, ga ba kgone gore ba nthuse ka fa ke neng ke solofetse ka teng.”

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MS KENEWENDO: Clarification. Thank you very much Madam Chairperson and Honourable Minister. While you were discussing the issue of land and open spaces, can you please also quickly brief us on the status of those low hanging fruits that were said to help enable doing business environment for young people, in particular if we have managed to deal with the issue of trade licenses versus registration certificates that were given to young people operating at home? Thank you.

MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Honourable Member. Honourable Member, yes, I also want to appreciate batho ba Local Government and Rural Development because ba ne ba re reetsa fa re ba kopa gore re batla gore bana ba simolole go dira dikgwebo even kwa malwapeng, re leka go ba ntsha gone mo dikgannyeng tsa bo trade licenses, ka gore go ne go tsaya lebaka, e le gore their policy demands a lot of things. Ke batla go go raya ke re, what we are doing at the moment, is to try and get Local Government and Rural Development to assist us to send information down the ladder ka gore fa gongwe o tsena mo dikgaolong tse dingwe o fitlhela e le gore ba kganela bana go direla mo malwapeng. We receive a number of complaints from the youth gore fa gongwe ba kganela bana go direla kwa malwapeng, mme o fitlhela e le gore mo kgaolong e nngwe go a dumalanwa. So, we really have to make sure gore we reconcile all this, re bone gore re communicate rotlhe ka lentswe le lengwe fela and so on. Those reservations and exemptions, I want to assure you di a bereka, re bona maduo a tsone because ever since e simologile, re ne ra nna le applications tse di ntsi go feta dingwaga tsotlhe kwa ministry wa rona and so on.

Bagaetsho, fa re bua ka character building or behavioral change jaaka Honourable Rantuana a ne a bua gore bana ba dirwa ke education, gore education ya gompieno e re e fang bana ga e a siama. Ke a utlwa Honourable Member, but at the same time, ke batla go go raya ke re, a re se ka ra ipaya gore re le batsadi, re beile gore barutabana ke bone ba tlaa layang bana ba rona, ba tlaa dira gore ba tsenye bana ba drone discipline. Even as Members of Parliament, we have a challenge where gompieno o tsena kwa dikoleng, o fitlhela bana kwa dikoleng, ga go na motsadi yo o tlang go tsaya report ya ngwana, ga go na motsadi yo o bonang gore ngwana o dirile homework and so on. That is where now the behavior ya bana rona e deteriorate ka teng because batsadi ba bangwe ba gompieno, ba ipolelela gore ngwana o tlaa tlhokomelwa ke barutabana as opposed to their parents. Re a itse gore we were disciplined ke batsadi ba rona kwa malwapeng but gompieno go lebega o kare this thing is dying off. Re le Members mo Ntlong yone e, re tshwanetse re bone gore we interrogate these things more kwa constituencies tsa rona. Re bone gore re ka

dira jang go direla bana ba rona botoka, re se ka ra rwesa barutabana morwalo wa gore e tlaa nna bone fela ba e leng gore ba tlaa dira ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Honourable, o ne o bua gape ka gore ke rile re tlaa aga stadium within the close proximity ya ditoropo, ya Gaborone and so on. You know, indeed this is our plan, this is our thinking because what we want to do ke gore gompieno you are aware gore for us to host Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON), we need to have 40 000 seater stadium and currently we do not have any. The biggest is Francistown ka 25 600. We need something like that. Dikakanyo tsa rona e ne e le gore re leke to develop fa re ka bona madi. We have to develop go simolola ka metse kana dikgaolo tse e leng gore they are close to the cities ka gore re itse gore fa o na le a big tournament e e tshwanang AFCON mo Gaborone, Francistown kana e le mo Tonota ka gore Tonota o bapile le toropo kana Ramotswa jaaka o ne o bua rraaetsho, batho ba tlaa kgona go itse facilities tse di tshwanang le tsa boroko, they are available, the city already has those. So, e ne e le our plan. Mathata a rona a matona rraetsho ke gore ga re nke re ba re nna le budget e e enough gore go bona gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Honourable Members, fa ke ntse ke tsamayatsamaya le lona ka bongwe ka bongwe, ke rata dikakgelo tsa lona, e bile go a supa gore lotlhe le tshwenyegile ka gore re na le mathata as a country, banana ba rona constitute about 60 per cent of the population of this country, majority of them are currently walking the streets e le graduates and so on. What should we do? Why is it like that? It is not only in Botswana. It is all over the world. Why? We know gore evolution ya technology has actually created this big problem around the world jaaka re tlhola re bua gore gongwe le gongwe kwa re buang teng re re, a factory that used to produce about a thousand tonnes of goods e dirisa batho ba le hundred, today the same factory will produce 2000 tonnes of the goods ka ten (10) people because the rest is computerized and so on. Therefore, what do we need to do? We need to make sure that we refocus as opposed to pointing fingers. We should be advising each other accordingly re re, “what should be do?” Re tshwanetse re itse gore fa re na le departments tse di tshwanang le Innovation Hub and so on, re direle bana ba rona, re ba ise koo, re ba encourage, ka o ne o utlwa gompieno Honourable Madigele a ne a bua gore ba bulela bana diofisi and so on gore le bone go tsena mo technology, ba kgone go itse gore fa re bua ka bo MyZaka and all that, di dirwa ke bana ba rona. Ga re ka ke ra simolola re re, re ipolelela gore re tlaa kgona to create factories ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Yes, we will do that, but re itse gore di ya go hira bana ba ba kwa tlase and so on. Ntlhaile!

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MR NTLHAILE: Clarification. Thank you very much.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, ga se wena Chairperson. Ema o tswelele o bue. Ke tlaa mmitsa.

MR OLOPENG: I am sorry Madam Chairperson. O ne a kopile clarification. Legale fa go ntse jalo, Madam Chairperson o tlaa go utlwela botlhoko Rre Ntlhaile.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa go siame …(Laughter!)…

MR NTLHAILE: Thank you Madam Chairperson. Thank you Honourable Minister. I just want to know Honourable Minister whether your ministry is at all considering setting up a hub for arts because we have got very talented young people in this country which will position this country, as a regional hub for the arts and culture? Is this something that you are considering to set up, where all the artists, be it painting, tapestry and basket weaving where they can operate and actually position the country as an export for the arts in the region?

MR OLOPENG: Ke a leboga Madam Chairperson. Ke a leboga Honourable Member. Honourable Member jaaka o itse gore ke ne ka bua maloba mo Palamenteng fa Honourable Butale a tla ka motion wa creative industry, ke ne ka mo raya ka re, kana re setse re na le team e e leng gore together with the Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry, we have a technical team e e berekang mo guidelines tsa gore re tle re kgone re simolole go bona gore re ka tswa ka a proper policy ya arts. Ke dumalana le wena rraetsho, we need to do that. O tshwanetse go itse gore Botswana is a big country geographically. We are looking at 580 000 square kilometres of land re le lefatshe la Botswana. Fa o lebeletse Okavango le Ramatlabama, we are talking of thousands of kilometres. So, re batla gore re nne strategic re itse gore fa re lebile kwa Okavango, re ka create gongwe ka gore re itse gore ke batho ba ba tlotlegileng ka bo ditlatlana and so on, re ka create that particular one ka koo. The other district... something else and so on so that re kgone go itse gore re akareditse mongwe le mongwe lefatshe lotlhe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ka gore ke go boleletse gore ke tloga ke move Madam Chairperson, ke lebeletse gore fa gongwe fa re le Honourable Members, re bo re debate mo issues tse di amang matshelo a banana, ke lebetse contribution ya Honourable Dr Butale, sometimes it so disappointing gore Honourable Butale as hardworking as he is, he will stand up and condemn and rubbish everything. Really, o ipotsa gore should we respond to him or should we just take him gore is at a rally and so on and so forth? A re ga a bone le fa e le sepe. Last year in this House,

ke ne ka araba a Parliamentary question gore we did a tracer study, sending our officers around the country, ba batla go bona gore businesses which we funded from the inception of this programme ya Youth Development Fund (YDF), how many are they, where are they, what status are they in? I reported fa gore, we had 85 per cent success, businesses tseo di eme ka dinao di tsamaya ka bo tsone, hence I am advocating for this House to support me gore re tswe ka lenaneo la refinancing of existing businesses as opposed to set-ups every time because we should know gore businesses tseo tsa banana were funded ka P100 000 and obviously they were undercapitalized right from the beginning. Bana bao ba setse ba itshupile gore they are entrepreneurs fa o bona ba kgonne go lwantsha businessses tsa madinyana a a kalo gore di goroge fa di leng teng. So, ke tsone dikgakololo tse ke di batlang tseo, e seng gotwe, “nothing is working, nothing is working.” E se ka ya re ke tshwara meeting kwa kgaolong ya gagwe ke ba bolelela gore Mopalamente a re ga a batle mananeo a lona ao, they should not blame me, ba itse gore go ne go bua Mopalamente wa bone. I summarise by saying sport infrastructure; we have three (3) categories that we have to focus on fa re ka bona madi. Youth centres, re lela selelo se se gakgamatsang bagaetsho gore bana ga ba na fa ba ikatisetsang, fa binelang le fa ba opelelang teng and so on. E bile fa re tla ka spaces tse bana ba rona ba ka kgonang go dira businesses teng, we have a concept e e leng gore we are working on it right now, re ya go bitsa private sector. Ya gore re tle ka youth malls, re bo re bona lefatshe re bo re aga youth malls and so on. Re bo re itse gore those youth malls di tlaa kgona go tlisetsa bana ba rona space ka nnetu e e kwa tlase because re dirisitse private sector ba ba sa ba batleng go bona returns overnight, and so ga ba na to charge exorbitant rate, at the same time trying to change the mind-set. There is this belief in this country ya gore for you to run a business, you have to be operating within a two hundred square metres. It is not like that, in other countries they operate within cubicles, di le well stocked. Fa o fitlhela motho a ntse mo two hundred square metres, mabotlele a mayonnaise a le mararo, a tomato sauce a le four (4), and a duela rent e e kanakana a re he/she runs shop. We want to change the mind-set among our young people gore ba se ka ba tla ba dumalana ka dilo tse di ntseng jalo.

Yo mongwe kgantele o ne a bua gore go nne le scheme se se tlhokomelang batho bangwe kwa ntle ga banana. Yes, I am in support of that, I want to propose gore re nne le scheme re bo re se bitsa re re ke bridge, e le a fund e e tlhokomelang over 35 to 64 ka gore 65 ba tlaa tsaya tandabala and so on. Re lebeletse mo maturity of those gore already they have assets, ba na le masimo, dipolase, le everything. The intention here is not to make everyone a business person, and create employment. Therefore, fa

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re simolola re dira scheme se se tshwanang le seo, they would be actually empowering those elderly people ba ba mature already to start businesses and employ ba e leng gore gompieno they are roaming mo seterateng ka nako e re buang ka yone.

Ke wela before I move Madam Chairperson, I want to challenge this leadership here in this House. Gompieno if I could pick a le mongwefela ke bo ke botsa gore, how many youth programmes do you have in your constituency? They do not know, even their Councillors in each ward. They think it is the responsibility of the Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development. It is wrong, as leaders we have to know, re rotloetse our Councillors at our ward level. Le rona re le Mapalamente at constituency level, re itse gore how many youth programmes we have in our own constituencies, so that re kgone go itse gore ba tlhoka eng, ba ka thusiwa jang? E re le nna ke tsaya dikgang le Mopalamente e se a Parliamentary question, a bo a nthaya a re, “bona, this is what I am doing mo kgaolong ya me. Ke rotloetsa bongwanake to do this, ke batla thuso ya gago fa” and so on because we do not want to this thing just for the sake of funding young people. Re batla go bona maduo and so on.

Madam Chairperson, ka a le kalo ke re this concludes my presentation of 2017/2018. I therefore, move that the sum of Eight Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Eight Hundred and Forty-Six Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P843 846 610) under Recurrent Budget for Organisation 2200 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of Appropriation (2017/2018) Bill and Thirty-Four Million, Six Hundred and Eighty-Six Thousand Pula (P34 686 000) for Organisation 2200 under Development Budget be approved and stand part of these Estimates for the financial year 2017/2018. I move accordingly Madam Chairperson.


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MADAM CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Members, let us move onto the Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing Development, and that is Organisation 2300. Please note that two (2) hours, five (5) minutes has been allocated to this organisation. I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 16:35 hours tomorrow and the question will be put at 17:05 hours. Honourable Minister, the floor is yours.

MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLEFHI): Madam Chairperson, thank you very much.

INTRODUCTION

Madam Chairperson, Honourable Members, I am honoured to present my Ministry’s budget Estimates for the financial year 2017/18 under Organisation 2300 for consideration and approval by this Honourable Committee

The Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing Development (MIH) was established in October 2016 as a result of the re-organisation of the Government portfolio responsibilities. Infrastructure relates to construction and maintenance of Government buildings and Housing Development focuses on ensuring that citizens have access to affordable housing or shelter and promotes home ownership through affordable housing schemes.

The mandate of MIH primarily focuses on ensuring the development of sound and quality building infrastructure for use by Government. MIH also facilitates the development and growth of the construction industry through providing a conducive policy and legislative environment. Furthermore, the Ministry promotes dignified livelihood through provision of housing, as well as creating an enabling environment to facilitate other stakeholders to participate in housing delivery. As the custodian of National Housing Policy, the Ministry sets housing regulations and facilitates its implementation in partnership with stakeholders.

Notwithstanding that this Ministry was only established in October 2016, I will nevertheless apprise this Honourable House on some of the achievements realised by the Ministry as well as challenges encountered during the 2016/17 financial year.

PUBLIC BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE

Madam Chairperson, as I indicated previously, this Ministry has established three (3) Registration Boards, being, the Engineers Registration Board, Architects Registration Council and the Quantity Surveyors Registration Council. These Boards are now making significant progress towards enforcing their relevant Acts.

Since coming into operation, the Engineers Registration Board, has received over 3, 600 applications of which 1, 050 were received during the year 2016 alone. So far 2, 651 engineers or 48 per cent of all applications received have already been registered, out of which 461 or 17 per cent are engineers employed by Government.

On the same note, the Architects Registration Council received 274 applications (architects / architectural technologists/architectural draftsperson) of which 169 architectural professionals have been registered.

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The number of candidates issued with certificate of registration and practising certificate increased shortly following the examinations that were conducted in November 2016.

With regards to the Quantity Surveyors Registration Council, the founding Registrar was officially appointed in February 2016. The Council has since made commendable progress with regard to the establishment of its office whose function is among others to oversee the day to day administration activities of the Council including registration of Quantity Surveyors. The Council is expected to commence the registration of Quantity Surveyors as soon as the Quantity Surveyors Registration Regulations and the Code of Ethics are completed. Consultations on the completion of these documents are currently ongoing and expected to be finalised in due course. It is worth noting that the stated instruments are pivotal in guiding Professional Conduct Standards for Quantity Surveyors in Botswana and will thus play a critical role in facilitating the envisaged registration process.

The review of the Building Control Act has commenced and the Draft Inception Report was submitted by the consultant in December 2016. The reference group has already considered and approved the inception report and instructed the consultant to proceed to the next phase of the project. The approval of the inception report has paved way for the development and submission of the 1st Draft Revised Building Control Act as the next key milestone and is expected to be achieved by April/May 2017.

Madam Chairperson, as previously indicated during presentations to this Honourable House, my Ministry continues to create a self-regulatory environment in which the construction sector can develop and grow so as to meaningfully contribute to the growth of the country’s economy. In this regard the Construction Industry Authority Draft Bill was received from Attorney General’s Chambers on the 19th December 2016 for our perusal and comments. The target is to submit the Draft Bill to Cabinet for consideration during the first quarter of 2017/18 culmination in its submission to Parliament for consideration during the July Meeting.

Madam Chairperson, I would like to take this opportunity to update this Honourable Committee on the progress on some of the building infrastructure projects under my Ministry.

The Ministry continues to deploy the services of its Audit Teams to ensure that all new construction projects and procurement of offices and staff houses from the private sector service providers are fit for purpose at

completion stage or rental/purchase stage. From April 2016 to date, the Ministry has conducted sixty-one (61) inspections, twenty-four (24) of these inspections sought to establish whether the projects were ready for practical completion or handover. The remaining thirty-seven (37) inspections were ad-hoc and were aimed at helping ministries to decide on whether to purchase or rent the identified facilities.

The construction of Shakawe Primary Hospital has just been awarded at a contract amount of BWP 309,898,812.00. Currently the contractor is mobilizing on site; the project is expected to start in March 2017 and be completed by September 2019. The Ministry undertakes to complete the project within time, cost and quality/specifications.

The construction of the Forensic Science Laboratory for the Botswana Police Services in Gaborone was awarded in November 2016. The project, which is valued at BWP 267,627,547.00; started on the 9th January 2017 and is scheduled to be completed in April 2019. The Ministry is monitoring this project closely to ensure that it is finished within time, the agreed contract amount, and quality/specifications.

In addition, the construction of Mmathubudukwane Police Station and staff housing started on 9th January 2017 and will be completed in January 2019. The project was awarded at BWP161, 637, 159.00…

MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker. As that concludes the business on today’s Order Paper, I now move that the House can adjourn. Thank you.


The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:01 p.m. until Tuesday 21st March, 2017 at 2:00 p.m.

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HANSARD RECORDERS

Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang

HANSARD REPORTERS

Ms T. Rantsebele, Mr M. Buti, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms D. Pheko, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka, Ms B. Pinaemang

HANSARD EDITORS

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