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The Neurologist as the Gatekeeper of PFO Closure in the US: What is Cryptogenic Stroke and When Do Neurologists Think PFO Closure Is Needed? David E. Thaler, MD, PhD Chairman, Department of Neurology Tufts University School of Medicine Boston, MA

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Page 1: David E. Thaler, MD, PhD Chairman, Department of · PDF filedysproteinemias, hemoglobinopathies (sickle cell disease) ... Slide courtesy of Vincent Thijs, MD. Suggestions 1. Neurologists

The Neurologist as the

Gatekeeper of PFO

Closure in the US: What

is Cryptogenic Stroke and

When Do Neurologists

Think PFO Closure Is

Needed?

David E. Thaler, MD, PhD

Chairman, Department of Neurology

Tufts University School of Medicine

Boston, MA

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Disclosure Statement of Financial Interest

• Grant/Research Support

• Consulting Fees/Honoraria

• Major Stock Shareholder/Equity

• Royalty Income

• Ownership/Founder

• Intellectual Property Rights

• Other

• Steering Committee, RESPECT Trial, St Jude Medical

Within the past 12 months, I or my spouse/partner have had a

financial interest/arrangement or affiliation with the organization(s)

listed below.

Affiliation/Financial Relationship Company

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Pt M – 30 y/o F with BRAO

16hrs after airplane flight and PFO

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30 mins s/p apraclonidine drops

Final diagnosis: Left ICA dissection and retinal embolism

… and incidental PFO

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What is the underlying mechanism?

“Stroke is an observation not a

diagnosis”

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Common mechanisms of cerebral ischemia

• “Small vessel disease” - lipohyalinosis

• Embolism

– Artery-to-artery (carotid, aorta, other)

– Cardiac source

– Paradoxical

• Decreased perfusion through a fixed stenosis

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Other causes of cerebral ischemia

• Vasculitis

• Collagen vascular diseases: isolated angiitis of the CNS, temporal (giant cell) arteritis, polyarteritis nodosa, Wegener's granulomatosis, Takayasu's arteritis, syphilis

• Meningitis: tuberculosis, fungi, syphilis, bacteria, herpes zoster

• Arterial dissection: carotid, vertebral, basal intracranial arteries

• Hematologic disorders: polycythemia, thrombocytosis, thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura, disseminated intravascular coagulation, dysproteinemias, hemoglobinopathies (sickle cell disease)

• Miscellaneous: cocaine, amphetamines, moyamoya disease, fibromuscular dysplasia, CADASIL

• Hypercoagulable states: secondary to systemic disease, carcinoma (especially pancreatic), eclampsia, oral contraceptives, lupus, factor C or S deficiency, factor V mutation, etc.

• Vasospasm: following subarachnoid hemorrhage

• Reversible cerebral vasoconstriction: idiopathic, eclampsia, trauma

• Venous: Dehydration, pericranial infection, postpartum and postoperative states, systemic cancer

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Stroke mimics and chameleons

Lancet Neurol 2011, 10: 550-60

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Stroke mimics

• Migraine

• Seizure

• Subdural hematoma

• Tumor

• Syncope

• Cardiac arrhythmia

• Panic attack

• Hypoglycemia

• Demyelinating disease

• Amyloid angiopathy

• Brain abscess

• Encephalitis

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Stroke chameleons

Condition Prevalence

Altered mental status 31%

Syncope 16%

Hypertensive emergency 13%

Systemic infection 11%

Suspected acute coronary syndrome 10%

Other (seizure, peripheral vertigo, cord compression,

myasthenia gravis, Bell palsy, migraine, hypoglycemia)

20%

J Stroke Cerebrovasc Dis 2014 23: 374-378

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Do I know what “neurologists” think?

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Authors by specialty

Neurology Internal Med/Cardiology Other

Ovbiagele Kernan (IM) Heck: Radiology

Chimowitz Black (IM) Mitchell: Nursing

Fisher Bravata(IM) Richardson: Statistician

Furie Ezekowitz (C) Wilson: Neurosurgery

Johnston Fang (IM) Hepburn-Smith: Nursing

Kasner Rich (C) Mack: Neurosurgery

Kittner Panagos: ED

Schwamm

Gorman

Rabinstein

n=10 n=6 n=7

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Classification of Recommendations and

Level of Evidence

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2011

2014

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Classification of Recommendations and

Level of Evidence

2011

2014

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Recommendation should be changed

• Class III definition changed

• Committee erred in interpreting “negative trials”

• Evidence using the committee’s own words support at least IIb

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It may never come to this...

CARDIOLOGIST NEUROLOGIST

Slide courtesy of Vincent Thijs, MD

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Suggestions

1. Neurologists and cardiologists must collaborate

2. Involve neurologists in the diagnosis of stroke

3. Exclude other common “cryptogenic” causes: PAF, aortic atheroma, lacunes

4. Not every dizzy spell is a TIA

5. Continue aggressive risk factor modification after closure

6. Continue antithrombotic medication after closure

7. Involve patients in the decision making

8. Intersociety position statements