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IEEE 802 JTC1 Standing CommitteeMarch 2013 agenda

19 March 2013

Authors:

Name Company Phone email

Andrew Myles Cisco+61 2 84461010+61 418 656587

amyles@cisco.com

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This presentation will be used to run the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC meetings in Orlando in March 2013

• This presentation contains a proposed running order for the IEEE 802 JTC1 Standing Committee meeting in March 2013, including– Proposed agenda– Other supporting material

• It will be modified during the meeting to include motions, straw polls and other material referred to during the meeting

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Participants have a duty to inform in relation to patents

• All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy (IEEE-SA SB Bylaws subclause 6.2). Participants: – “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of

each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents— “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder

may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims

– “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)

– The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group

• Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged; there is no duty to perform a patent search

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There are a variety of patent related links

• All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.

• Patent Policy is stated in these sources:– IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws— http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6

– IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual— http://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3

• Material about the patent policy is available at – http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html

• If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org– or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html

• This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

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A call for potentially essential patents is not required in the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC

• If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: – Either speak up now or– Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all

such claims as soon as possible or– Cause an LOA to be submitted

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will operate using general guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings

• All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. – Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. – Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.— Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different

technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. — Technical considerations remain primary focus

– Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.

– Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.– Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.

• See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.

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Links are available to a variety of other useful resources

• Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation – http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html

• Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines– http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf

• Link to IEEE Code of Ethics– http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html

• Link to IEEE Patent Policy– http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette

• IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization

• Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization.

• Individuals are to address the “technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about the presenter.

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• Call to Order

• Select recording secretary <- important!

• Approve agenda

• Details on next page

• Conduct meeting according to agenda

• Recess

• Call to Order

• Select recording secretary <- important!

• Conduct meeting according to agenda

• Recess

The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC has three slots at the Vancouver interim meeting

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• Call to Order

• Select recording secretary <- important!

• Conduct meeting according to agenda

• Adjourn

Tuesday19 March, PM1

Wednesday 20 March, PM1

Thursday21 march , PM1

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC has a detailed list of agenda items to be considered

In no particular order:

• Approve minutes– Interim meeting in Jan 2013 in Vancouver

• Review extended goals– From IEEE 802 ExCom in Nov 2010

• Review IEEE 802.11 WG liaisons to SC6– Review liaison related to 802.11-2012 ballot– Review latest liaisons of Sponsor Ballot drafts– Review status of SC6 pre-ballots on IEEE 802.1X/AE— Passed with only no votes from China

– Discuss response to comments on IEEE 802.1X/AE during pre-ballot– Review status of SC6 pre-ballots on IEEE 802.11aa/ad/ae— Still open

– Discuss submission of 802.3 under PSDO

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC has a detailed list of agenda items to be considered

In no particular order:

• Prepare for next SC6 meeting in June in Korea– Develop a draft of the “contribution process” for SC6 NBs– Review status of WAPI, EUHT, TLSec, TEPA-AC, TAAA, TISec,…– Discuss Swiss NB report comparing 802.1X and TEPA-AC– Discuss Swiss NB “Explanatory Report”

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider approving its agenda

Motion to approve agenda

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC approves the agenda for its meeting in Orlando in Mar 2013, as documented on pages 10-11 of <this slide deck>

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider approval of previous minutes

Motion to approve minutes

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC approves the minutes for its meeting in Vancouver in Jan 2013, as documented in 11-13-0208-r0

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC reaffirmed its general goals in Sept 09, but they were extended in Nov 2010

Agreed (with changes from Nov 2010) goals

• Provides a forum for 802 members to discuss issues relevant to both:– IEEE 802– ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• Recommends positions to ExCom on ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 actions affecting IEEE 802– Note that 802 LMSC holds the liaison to SC6, not 802.11 WG

• Participates in dialog with IEEE staff and 802 ExCom on issues concerning IEEE ’s relationship with ISO/IEC

• Organises IEEE 802 members to contribute to liaisons and other documents relevant to the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 members

Extensions

• The extensions to our goals came out of the 802 ExCom ad hoc held in November 2010 on the Friday evening

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An agenda has been released for the SC6/WG1 meeting in June 2013

• ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 rules require that agenda items are made available to the membership <how many> weeks before the meeting– Meaning before <when>

• A draft agenda is now available for the SC6/WG1 meeting in Seoul in June– See N15566

• There are a number of observations– No China submissions (yet) on anything – It includes an item for the Swiss NB submission comparing TePAKA4 and IEEE

802.1X Security

• The SC6 meeting details are also now available– See N15560

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N15566

N15560

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Delegates are sought for the next SC6 meeting in June 2013 in Korea

• The next SC6 meeting will be held in Korea in 17-21 June – Details are not yet available

• Bruce Kraemer will be HoD again– Assuming his nomination is approved by ExCom

• Others are welcome/encouraged to volunteer to be part of the IEEE 802 delegation

• Known volunteers include:– Dan Harkins (Aruba)– Bill Carney (Sony)– Jodi Haasz (IEEE staff)

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The IEEE 802.11 WG has liaised various Sponsor Ballot drafts to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• Normally the 802.11 WG liaises Sponsor Ballot documents. However, the WG told SC6 it would liaise 802.11ac as soon as it passed a LB; we continue to do so!

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Task Group

After Atlanta

After Jack.

AfterHawaii

After Atlanta

After San Diego

After Palm Sp

After San Antonio

After Van.

Nov 11 Jan 12 Mar 12 May 12 July 12 Sept 12 Nov 12 Jan 13

TGae D7.0 - Ratified - - - - -

TGaa D7.0 - Ratified - - - - -

TGac - D2.0 - D3.0 - - D4.0 D5.0

TGad - D5.0 D6.0/D7.0 D8.0 D9.0 - Ratified

TGmb D12.0 - Ratified - - - - -

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The comments from the PSDO ballot on IEEE 802.11-2012 were liaised to SC6 in February 2013

• IEEE 802.11-2012 was ratified as ISO/IEC 8802-11 in Oct 2012

• Comments were received from the China NB, but are not required to be resolved under the PSDO process

• IEEE 802.11 TGmc agreed in Nov 2012 to process any comments & provide resolutions to SC6

• IEEE 802.11 TGmc resolved all the comments in Jan 2013– Processed as 11-13-0123r1

• Bruce Kraemer subsequently liaised the resolved comments to SC6– See N15586

• No response has yet been received

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N15586

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IEEE 802.11aa/ad/ae have started the process of ratification by ISO/IEC

• 802.11-2012 just approved by ISO as ISO/IEC 8802-11:2012

• In January 2013 the IEEE 802.11 WG decided to submit additional amendments to SC6 and subsequently JTC1 for ratification– In particular 802.11aa/ad/ae were selected for submission– EEE 802 subsequently approved this decision

• SC6 is currently considering these amendments in a 60 day pre-ballot under the PSDO process– Ballot opened: 7 Feb 13– Ballot will close: 6 April 13

• Please encourage any NBs in which you participate to vote “yes”

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IEEE 802.1X & IEEE 802.1AE started the process of ISO/IEC ratification in Dec 2012

• At the San Antonio meeting IEEE 802.1 WG agreed to submit 802.1X-2010 and 802.1AE-2006 to ISO/IEC JTC1 for ratification– The ratification process is defined by the PSDO agreement– The process was started on about 4 Dec 2012

• The first step is a 60 day ballot (majority required) of SC6 NBs to confirm:– There is a need for an ISO International Standard on the subject– The particular proposals should be submitted for FDIS ballot

• The 60 day ballots closed on 4 Feb 2013– Ballots on both standards passed

• The second step will be a five month FDIS ballot of JTC1 NBs– 802.11-2012 was recently ratified by this ballot process

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The ISO/IEC naming convention for IEEE 802.1X/AE has been agreed with the ISO Central Secretariat

• Unlike IEEE 802, ISO/IEC uses numbers for standards– eg IEEE 802.11 is ISO/IEC 8802-11– eg IEEE 802.1X would need to be something like ISO/IEC 8802-1-6

• Unfortunately, any simple mapping between the ISO/IEC and IEEE 802 versions of the standards would be lost

• IEEE staff recognised this and negotiated a sensible outcome with the ISO Central Secretariat– IEEE 802.1X will become ISO/IEC 8802-1X– IEEE 802.1AE will become ISO/IEC 8802-1AE

• This is possible under the PSDO, which states– ISO and IEEE shall give consideration to any previous numbering used by ISO

or IEEE to determine the number designation for the fast track or jointly developed Standard

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IEEE staff will attempt to arrange for 802.1X/AE to be published as ISO/IEC standards ASAP

• At the last SC meeting in Vancouver an action item was agreed– Bruce Kramer to ask Jodi Haasz (IEEE Staff) to inquire of the JTC1 Secretariat

as to whether the ISO/IEC versions of 802.1X and 802.1AE can be edited by JTC1 ahead of time with the expectation of ratification so that they can be published directly upon ratification

• Jodi Haasz (IEEE staff) has provided a response– I reviewed the FDIS ballot closing and publication date for ISO/IEC 8802-11– The FDIS ballot closed on 18 October 2012 and the document was published on

5 November 2012.– After the FDIS, there is some editorial work that needs to be done prior to

publication between the ISO staff and the IEEE staff.– Taking this into account, is this a satisfactory timeline between FDIS closing and

publication (three weeks)?  .

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The pre-ballots on 802.1X and 802.1AE both passed with the only “no” vote from China NB

• The pre-ballots ask two questions, which were both approved for both standards– Do you support the need for an ISO International Standard on the subject? — Passed 10/1/4/4

– Do you support the submission of this proposal for FDIS ballot? — Passed 9/1/5/4

• The only “no” vote was from China NB

• Abstains were received from different countries on each ballot– 802.1X ballots: Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, Kazakhstan, Russia– 802.1AE ballots: Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, Kazakhstan, Russia

• The abstain votes of some NBs probably require investigation by IEEE 802 members who are also from those countries– Particularly Belgium, Canada, Finland

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N155555 N15556

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The SC has decided to respond to the comments from the China NB before the next stage of balloting

• The SC reviewed the comments related to during the Vancouver meeting with a view to generating a possible response liaison to SC6

• It was concluded that the IEEE 802 probably disagrees with most the comments made by the China NB in relation to the pre-ballots on 802.1X & 802.1AE

• While a response it not technically required under the PSDO process, best practice to respond fully to all legitimate comments, no matter when they are received

• The SC decided by consensus to respond to the China NB comments

• Subsequently a number of 802.1 security experts volunteered to draft some comments; they were discussed at the last 802.1 interim meeting

• We have arranged that the main ballots on 802.1X and 802.1AE will be started once our responses to the China are liaised to SC6

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The SC will review the proposed responses to the comments from the China NB on 802.1X/AE

• A draft was been written responding to the 802.1X comments from the China NB– See 11-13-336r0– Discuss!

• A draft was been written responding to the 802.1AE comments from the China NB– See 11-13-0337r0– Discuss!

• The motions on finalised drafts will be considered on Thursday

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IEEE 802.3 WG will consider in March 2013 submitting IEEE 802.3 for ISO/IEC ratification

• The 802.1 WG agreed in November 2012 to submit 802.1X and 802.1AE to ISO/IEC for ratification under the PDSO

• The 802.3 WG agreed in principle to submit 802.3 ISO/IEC for ratification under the PDSO

• However, the 802.3 WG will not make a final decision until March 2013– Any update from 802.3 reps?

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In Feb 12, SC6 started a process to “clean up” various ISO/IEC 8802 standards

In Feb 12, at the SC6 meeting in China

• The UK NB proposed to “clean up” various IEEE 802 related standards in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• Ultimately, SC6 approved a table with proposed dispositions for various ISO/IEC 8802 standards

• SC6 also approved a process to help resolve related issues related to an IEEE 802 proposal that only IEEE 802 WGs “maintain, alter & extend” ISO/IEC 8802 standards

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In Feb 12, SC6 approved a table with proposed dispositions for various ISO/IEC 8802 standards

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Project Number Year Name Recommendation05.01.00 8802-1 2011 SPECIFIC LANS Overview Retain. IEEE 802 will provide text for a replacement when the

current 802 O&A revision project is complete

05.01.01 8802-1 - SPECIFIC LANS Cooperative agreement with IEEE 802

Cancel project. Delete the draft.

05.02.00 8802-2 1998 SPECIFIC LANS Logical Link Control 90.93

Retain in stabilized state

05.03.00 8802-3 2000 SPECIFIC LANS CSMA/CD Edn. 6

Retain. Will be superseded as soon the next revision of IEEE 802.3 is ratified by ISO/IEC.

05.05.00 8802-5 1998 SPECIFIC LANS Token Ring. Edn.3

Retain in stabilized state

05.11.00 8802-11 2005 LANS. Wireless MAC/PHY specifications Edn. 2

Retain. Will be superseded as soon the next revision of IEEE 802.11 is ratified by ISO/IEC

05.21.01 11802-1 2005 LAN GUIDELINES LLC Addresses

Retain. IEEE 802 will provide a replacement at a future date

05.22.01 11802-2 2005 LAN GUIDELINES Standard group MAC addresses

Retain. IEEE 802 will provide a replacement at a future date

05.25.00 11802-5 1997 Media Access Control (MAC) Bridging of Ethernet v2.0 in Local Area Network

Retain in stabilized state.

05.31.00 15802-1 1995 COMMON LANS MAC service Retain. IEEE 802 will provide a replacement based upon 802.1AC at a future date

05.33.00 15802-3 1998 COMMON LANS MAC bridges Retain. IEEE 802 will provide a replacement at a future date based upon either 802.1D-2005 or 802.1Q-2011

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In Sept 2012, SC6 agreed to give IEEE 802 WGs responsibility for revision of ISO/IEC 8802 standards

• SC6 agreed on a resolution with respect to 802.11 (Res 6.1.9) that gave 802.11 WG responsibility for revision of ISO/IEC 8802-11 standards– As empowered by clause A1.2.1 of the PSDO agreement between ISO and

IEEE, SC6 decides to allocate responsibility for the revision process of the ISO/IEC 8802-11 standard to the IEEE 802.11 WG while the IEEE 802.11 WG has an ongoing revision process for the IEEE 802.11 standard.

– A condition of this motion is that SC6 and its NBs have access to an established mechanism to contribute to the revision process in the IEEE 802.11 WG

• SC6 passed similar resolutions with respect to 802.1 (Res 6.1.10) & 802.3 (Res 6.1.11)

• In addition, SC6 passed a cooperation resolution (Res 6.1.12)– SC 6 invites the IEEE 802 WG’s to exchange information about new work items

that are within the scope of SC 6 and the respective IEEE 802 WG for information and potential coordination

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The SC6 resolutions are likely to enable more 802 standards to be submitted to ISO/IEC under the PSDO

• 802 wanted the possibility to submit 802 standards to ISO/IEC under the PSDO for ratification

• The potential benefits include:– Universal recognition of “international” status (major)– Review by a ISO/IEC JTC1 NBs (minor)

• The risk of submitting an 802 standard without an agreement was that it could be modified by SC6 without the permission or cooperation of 802– No one wants “another WAPI”– Of course this could always happen, even without an agreement

• IEEE 802.11 WG previously decided to move ahead with ratification of IEEE 802.11-2012 under the PSDO without any further agreement

• The 802.1 WG & 802.3 WG wanted an agreement of some sort to mitigate the perceived risk – the SC6 resolutions provides an appropriate framework

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It is not certain that the resolutions would avoid a WAPI like situation in the future

• WAPI is always raised as an example of how things can go wrong

• The question is what does this resolution do to protect against future WAPI-like situations?

• US NB asserted in Graz that the resolution means the 802.11 WG and not SC6 would consider a WAPI-like proposal because:– WAPI is effectively an amendment to 802.11– WAPI would “fork” the 8802-11 standard contrary to the PSDO

• Other NBs agreed with this position, at least in private

• The Swiss and Chinese NBs disagreed with this perspective during the meeting and in subsequent discussions

• The bottom line is that the resolution does not guarantee another WAPI-like situation will not occur in the future … but it certainly helps!

• The resolution definitely does not stop any competitive proposals!

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US NB made a suggestion in Graz for an “established mechanism to contribute to the revision process”

• The US NB proposal in Graz was:– IEEE 802 should send documents to SC6 for comment, including— Motion to start a SG— PAR documents when approved by WG— PAR documents when approved by 802 EC— Approved requirements documents— Draft standards at Letter Ballot and Sponsor Ballot stage

• The subsequent discussion was that the IEEE 802 WGs would accept any comments from SC6 NBs– It was recognised that the comments may come in too late for normal

processing …– … but they would be considered in good faith at the time if possible or later if

necessary

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802 also made a suggestion in Graz for an “established mechanism to contribute to the revision process”

IEEE 802 proposal in Graz

• 802.11 will continue to provide drafts for comment prior to publication.– Posted on ISO website maintained by 802.11

• 802.11 will continue to provide “pipeline” status information on all amendment/revision/maintenance activities. In meeting report.

• 802.11 Could provide SC6 with notification of proposed new work items (Study Groups, Project Authorization Requests in IEEE, PAR approvals) before formal approval of the project by the IEEE Standards Board. (Posted on ISO website maintained by 802.11)

• Additionally 802 could provide similar “pipeline” status information on amendment/revision/maintenance activities.

• 802 could provide SC6 with notification of proposed new work items (Study Groups, Project Authorization Requests in IEEE)

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The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider a proposal that satisfies the terms of the SC6 resolutions

• A number of people have worked on a possible response to the requirement for IEEE 802 to propose a way for …– “SC6 and its NBs (to) have access to an established mechanism to contribute

to the revision process in the IEEE 802.11”

• … as well as IEEE 802.1 and IEEE 802.3

• The proposal also responds to the invitation to the:– “IEEE 802 WG’s to exchange information about new work items that are within

the scope of SC 6 and the respective IEEE 802 WG for information and potential coordination”

• The revised proposed document will be discussed today– See 802.11-12/1454r4

• The motion on this proposal will be considered on Thursday

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IEEE 802 will need to develop supporting material for the SC6 collaboration over time

• The proposal on the previous page will require various liaisons to be sent to SC6 over time

• It would save considerable effort and reduce risk if any liaison used a standard template

• The standards templates have not yet been created

• It is proposed that the IEEE 802 Liaison to SC6 (currently Bruce Kraemer) be given the authority to develop appropriate templates

• This is something that Bruce has been doing already in relation to liaison of 802.11 drafts to SC6

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The “WAPI story” has been going on for a very, very, very long time ... and was thought to be over ...

Brief summary of highlights/lowlights

• 2003: WAPI mandated for use in China, implemented by named firms

• 2004: Mandate withdrawn after China agrees to standardise WAPI first

• 2005: WAPI submitted to ISO/IEC fast track ballot in parallel to IEEE submitting 802.11i, after much controversy and appeals

• 2006: WAPI fails ISO/IEC fast track ballot and 802.11i passes, amid much controversy and appeals

• 2009: WAPI mandated in handsets and for SPs in China

• 2009: WAPI submitted to ISO/IEC as NP

• 2010: WAPI NP ballot passes but comments not resolved

• Nov 2011: China NB announced that they had withdrawn the WAPI NP

• Feb 2012: SC6 formally cancelled the WAPI NP

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... but there was some sort of protest from the China NB relating to the WAPI NP process

• The China NB stated they withdrew the project because:– The project has “experienced and still been suffering many unreasonable

obstacles”– It is likely the project will not complete within required time limits because of an

“unfair and unjustified environment,”

• It is believed that the China SC6 Mirror Committee has protested to ISO/IEC about:– Various aspects the WAPI NP process– Alleged bias of the SC6 Chair

• The details of any protest from the China SC6 Mirror Committee or any response from ISO/IEC are unavailable– It was hoped that details would become available at the last SC6 meeting ...– ... but there was no discussion related to WAPI at the SC6 meeting except in

passing

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Any un-cancelling of the WAPI NP may require ballots of SC6 NBs, JTC1 NBs & comment resolution

• The China NB suggested at the time of cancellation they may resubmit WAPI “when a more favorable standardization environment is available”

• The ISO/IEC Directives are not very clear on the process for a project to be re-established once it has been cancelled

• The best hint comes from the latest NP Ballot form, which includes an option for:– “THIS PROPOSAL RELATES TO THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF A

CANCELLED PROJECT AS AN ACTIVE PROJECT”

• This form and the latest ISO/IEC Directives (plus JTC1 supplement) suggest if there was a proposal to re-establish WAPI then:– It would have be sent to a new letter ballot of SC6 NBs– Assuming the ballot passed, any resulting negative

comments would have to be resolved and balloted by the JTC1 NBs

• However, it is possible that ISO/IEC CS may decree another process …

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JTC1 NP form.pdf

ISO_IEC_Directives_Part_1_(Procedures_fo

JTC 1 Supplement, 2012, PDF Version.pdf

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It is unclear what is next for WAPI, from either a regulatory or standards perspective

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Regulations Standards

• WAPI is still required by Type Approval regulations in handsets in China– These regulations are not available

in written form, although their existence was disclosed by China in WTO discussions

• WAPI is still also informally required by SPs in China

• It is hoped any requirement for WAPI in devices will be repealed soon given that WAPI will not become an ISO/IEC standard

• WAPI is a Chinese National Standard

• There are no known plans to standardise WAPI internationally

• It was speculated that China may resubmit WAPI only if the current SC6 Chair was not reappointed by JTC1 in Nov 12, but he was reappointed

• Please provide the SC any updates to this regulatory and standards situation

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Submission

Mar 2013

WAPI will have ample government funding for the foreseeable future

• WAPI has had support from some parts of the Chinese Government for a long time

• It appears this support is continuing with the opening of a National Engineering Laboratory in Xi’an– See http://tech.sina.com.cn/t/2012-12-10/01357870879.shtml

• The focus of the lab (Google Translate) is to “fight for more international standards to adopt China's WAPI security technologies”

• The attendance at the opening of the lab indicated support for its work from:– “National Information Security Management research institutions”– “industry experts”– “China's electric power, petroleum, finance, transportation” industries

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The recent standardisation UHT or EUHT in China exacerbated fears about these standards …

• Nufront and the China NB had previously proposed standardisation of UHT (11n extension) & EHUT (11ac replacement) by SC6– EUHT is also known as N-UHT

• The IEEE 802 delegation expressed concern about various aspects of this proposal at the San Diego SC6 meeting in June 2011

• It was also feared that type approval regulations will be used to mandate UHT/EUHT, similar to those used for WAPI

• It was expected that the issue would be raised again at the China meeting of SC6 in February 2012 … but it was not

• Since the SC6 meeting in Feb 12, MIIT has announced that UHT and EUHT have been approved as voluntary Chinese National Standards– This occurred after a somewhat unusual process in CCSA that effectively

ignored the concerns of many Chinese and non-Chinese companies– The actual text appears to be unavailable as of July 2012, even in hard copy

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

… but fears about UHT & EUHT decreased as 5GHz was discussed in China & there was no mention at SC6

• UHT/EUHT were not mentioned at the SC6 meeting in September 2012, although two Nufront representatives were in attendance

• It was previously feared there was a connection between EUHT and the slowness opening up 5GHz in China … but that fear was mitigated after MIIT accelerated the process to open up the band during 2102

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

Only part of 5GHz will likely open up in China with possible interaction with EUHT still existing

• Reports indicate that due to opposition from important stakeholders within China's radio spectrum regulatory community:– The lower two bands (5150 - 5250, 5250 - 5350) will be allocated as planned <-

GOOD NEWS– The middle band (5470 - 5725) may remain unallocated <- BAD NEWS

• More specifically:– Military authorities are unsatisfied with MIIT's conclusions that appropriate steps

have been taken to address radar interference issues, and MIIT / SRRC plans to conduct further research in this area;

– There is also speculation that some stakeholders in the wireless community would like to see some of the 5 GHz band licensed to other technologies, such as LTE-HI, a Chinese PAN communication standard currently being drafted

• It is possible that EUHT might be one of the technologies that might be licensed

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

It appears that EUHT is being implemented but there is no further news on standardisation in ISO/IEC

• There is recent news that suggests EHUT is being implemented – See http://info.china.alibaba.com/detail/1076224301.html– the NR6806 for EUHT RF chip, its receiver dynamic range is 110dB, launch

dynamic range is 30dB, variable bandwidth design, support QAM 256, integrated LNA and PA compatible WiFi support MIMO and smart antennas, but also the industry's multimode RF chips only the support EUHT and WiFi, a very wide range of applications.

• There is no further news on standardisation of EUHT in ISO/IEC

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

Nufront were/are planning to attend the IEEE 802.11 WG meeting in March

• Bruce Kraemer (Chair of 802.11 WG) reported in Jan 2013 that Nufront intended to attend and present at the 802.11 WG meeting in March 2013

• It is not clear whether or not any presentation will occur this week – The Nufront representatives apparently did not apply for a visa in time

• Bruce Kraemer may have more information– Late breaking news: it appears Nufront reps will attend the meeting in Hawaii in

May 2013

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

TePA-AC, the 802.1X replacement, was approved as a Chinese National Standard in Oct 12 – no further news

• In previous SC6 meetings the China NB have proposed a protocol called TePA-AC, which is roughly an 802.1X replacement

• At the SC6 meeting in February 2012, an IWNCOMM representative presented TePA-AC again, emphasising its use of TePA, and concluding– “Network access control is widely used in many network environments.– TePA-AC in N14399 is different from IEEE 802.1x.”

• IWNCOMM claimed that TePA-AC covered a different application space from 802.1X

• The discussion concluded with the China NB informing SC6 that further standardisation work on TePA-AC would continue in BWIPS– BWIPS is the organisation under CESI that standardised WAPI– TEPA-AC is a Chinese National standard as GB / T 28455-2012 as of 1 Oct 12;

the “T” means it is recommended, ie not mandatory (227 pages in Chinese)

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

There is no further standardisation news related to TLSec, the proposed 802.1AE replacement

• In previous SC6 meetings the China NB have proposed a protocol called TLSec, which is roughly an 802.1AE replacement

• At the SC6 meeting in February 2012, an IWNCOMM representative presented TLSEc again, emphasising its use of TePA, and concluding– “It is necessary to do more research on LAN layer 2 security.– TLSec in N14402 is different from IEEE 802.1AE”

• IWNCOMM asserted that China Telecom were supporting this work

• The discussion concluded with the China NB informing SC6 that further standardisation work on TLSec would continue in BWIPS– BWIPS is the organisation under CESI that standardised WAPI– There is no evidence that it has been standardised yet

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

There is no further standardisation news related to TAAA, the proposed LRWN security replacement

• In previous SC6 meetings the China NB have proposed a protocol called TAAA, which is roughly WAPI for Long Range Wireless Networks

• At the SC6 meeting in February 2012, an IWNCOMM representative presented TAAA again, emphasising its use of TePA, and concluding– “TAAA applies to various LRWN.– The details of the solution may be discussed further.”

• It appears from the subsequent discussion that a LRWN could include both LTE & 802.16

• There is no evidence of any standardisation work in China on TAAA

• It is also not clear why a LRWN needs its own special security mechanism and why it doesn’t just have the same requirements as any other wireless network

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

There is no further standardisation news in relation to TISec, a proposed IPSec replacement

• The China NB are also proposing TISec as a TEPA based replacement of IPSec– See N15369

• It appears that TISec is also on the Standards Track in China – See attached

• The presentation was briefly discussed in WG1 but was primarily promoted in WG7, which is the group defining a new Internet

• The IEEE 802 delegation’s primary observation was that TISec appears to directly copy ESP from RFC 4303 , with some minor modifications

• IETF officers are now aware of this activity and may be taking action …

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Myles, Cisco

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N15369

TISec

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Submission

Mar 2013

The next steps for TLSec, TEPA-AC and TAAA are still unclear … as they are for IEEE 802

• The facts are:– The China NB are still promoting TLSec, TEPA-AC and TAAA – At least one of these protocols has been standardised in China

• Options for next steps for China NB include:– No action– Action, now – Action, after they become Chinese National Standards– Change of tactics, to what?

• How much effort should IEEE 802 put into making sure these standards are not promoted based on incorrect assertions?– Is there still the threat of another WAPI?

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

A China NB rep has declined an IEEE 802 invitation to present TePA to IEEE 802.1 WG in 2013

• During the SC6 meeting in Austria in Sept 2012, the IEEE 802 delegation invited the China NB to send a Chinese expert to present TePA to the IEEE 802.1 WG– His name is Huyn Yanan (IWNCOMM) 

• It was originally suggested that Huyn attend the IEEE 802.1 WG meeting in Vancouver in Jan 2013, thus avoiding any US visa issues

• After a response was not forthcoming in time to arrange a session of the security experts in Vancouver, Geneva in July 2013 was suggested as an alternative

• Huyn has now declined any invitation for 2013– … . It is pity that I would not take part in the IEEE meetings in the next year,

because we have finished arranging the meetings (not in China) plan …

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The Swiss NB has contributed a document comparing “TePAKA4 and IEEE 802.1X Security”

• Hans-Rudolf Thomann from the Swiss NB has generated a document titled, “A Comparative Analysis of TePAKA4 and IEEE 802.1X Security”– See

• Dan Harkins will lead a technical review– See <slide-deck>

• The SC will subsequently have a discussion on if and when to respond to this document

• Any motion will be considered on Thursday

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Myles, Cisco

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N15523

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Submission

Mar 2013

The SC will discuss a Swiss NB “Explanatory Report”

• The Swiss NB has sent a document to SC6 interpreting the discussions and conclusions from the meeting in Graz

• Much of the commentary is either incorrect or “coloured”, but the Swiss NB are not requesting any action on the commentary– Should the IEEE 802, US NB or ISO CS object to their words and actions being

misrepresented?– Maybe it could be stated for the record that the commentary is not the view of

SC6, its NBs (except the Swiss NB), ISO CS or LO’s.

• The Swiss NB are requesting an approval of one section– SC6 approves the interpretation of Graz resolutions 6.1.9-6.1.12 found in 2.1 of

6Nxxxxxx (this document)

• The Chair recommends that this document be discussed in more detail this week – It is not yet clear if the document will be considered in Korea & in what context

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Myles, Cisco

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N15517

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Submission

Mar 2013

Andrew Myles, Cisco

Most but not all of the Swiss NB “Explanatory Report” is probably reasonable

Clause 2.1 of “Explanatory Report” …

• IEEE hosts and leads the revision process– Agreed, the resolution states that the responsibility for the revision process of

the ISO/IEC 8802-11 standard is given to the IEEE 802.11 WG

• SC6 will not undertake revisions of the ISO version while the IEEE 802.11 WG is performing a revision of the IEEE version– Agreed, the resolution states that the responsibility for the revision process of

the ISO/IEC 8802-11 standard is given to the IEEE 802.11 WG

• SC6 NBs can participate to the revision at their discretion– They are not mandated to participate, but have the opportunity to participate if

the wish so— Agreed, 11-12-1454r2 proposed a number of ways for SC6 NBs or their delegates to

participate in the revision process

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Submission

Mar 2013

Andrew Myles, Cisco

Most but not all of the Swiss NB “Explanatory Report” is probably reasonable

… Clause 2.1 of “Explanatory Report” …– They can participate by correspondence, by teleconference or by sending

delegates to meeting, to the same terms as IEEE members— Agreed, noting there is no requirement for anyone to be an IEEE member to participate

in IEEE 802 standardisation activities

– They can participate as SC6 members without need to acquire IEEE membership— Agreed, noting there is no requirement for anyone to be an IEEE member to participate

in IEEE 802 standardisation activities

• Access to the revision process is granted from the beginning of the process to its end– Agreed

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Submission

Mar 2013

Andrew Myles, Cisco

Most but not all of the Swiss NB “Explanatory Report” is probably reasonable

… Clause 2.1 of “Explanatory Report” …

• The IEEE 802.11WG is expected to propose to SC6 how exactly such access should be achieved– Agreed, 11-12-1454r2 proposes a mechanism according to the resolution

• If the IEEE 802.11 WG fails to grant access then the Resolution is void– Agreed, as stated in the resolution

• “Revision”, “amendment”, “correction” and “new edition” are define in ISO Guide 2– It was agreed during the meeting that the motion’s terms would have ISO

definitions. However, ISO also uses a variety of definitions beyond ISO Guide 2. The impact of this statement is uncertain

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Submission

Mar 2013

Andrew Myles, Cisco

Most but not all of the Swiss NB “Explanatory Report” is probably reasonable

… Clause 2.1 of “Explanatory Report”

• The resolution applies to revisions, amendments and corrigenda of ISO/IEC 8802-11– Agreed, as discussed during the meeting in Graz

• The resolution does not apply to any standards other than ISO/IEC 8802-11– Agreed, although the other motions apply to ISO/IEC 8802-1 and ISO/IEC 802-3

respectively

• SC6 retains full rights to propose any new work– Agreed, SC6 may always define new work. However, it is hoped that any new

work is properly justified and does not unnecessarily duplicate existing standards, both within ISO/IEC or in other SDOs

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Submission

Mar 2013

The SC needs to decide what to do in relation to theSwiss NB “Explanatory Report”

• The SC has a variety of choices– Ignore it on basis that IEE 802 does not have vote– Request that the report be ignored in basis it is inappropriate to reinterpret a

resolution after its approval– Request that SC6 formally state that it neither approves or disapprove the report– Support the Swiss NB request to approve the interpretation of Graz resolutions

6.1.9-6.1.12 found in clause 2.1 of the report– …

• The SC will discuss the options

• The Chair’s recommendation is that we do nothing until May on basis:– Of ISO staffer comments and fact it is– Noting the document is not yet on the agenda

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

ISO and IEEE are renegotiating the PSDO, and requested comments in Nov 2012

• The ISO and IEEE are renegotiating the PSDO

• IEEE 802 may want to provide comments to IEEE staff

• Does this group have any comments? From Nov 2012– IEEE should ensure only groups with an established track record may propose

use of PSDO; 802.1/3/11 would all qualify– The default state should be that all revisions are undertaken by the source IEEE

group, but that group must provide a way for NB reps to participate and contribute

– Revisions should be better defined to include any activity that ultimately leads to the next edition of a standard, including amendments and corrections

– A revision should also include any work that relies on an IEEE standard ratified under the PSDO and yet adds to, changes or replaces its functions, particularly if it does so in a way that effectively generates independent and incompatible standards

• There has been no further news on this topic since Nov 2012

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Myles, Cisco

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PSDO

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Submission

Mar 2013

IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider any motions

• The motions will be constructed during the week

• They are likely to include motions to approve– Bruce Kraemer as HoD to SC6 meeting in June– Proposal to SC6 for collaboration mechanisms– Responses to comments from China NB on 802.1X and 802.1AE– Response to Swiss NB comparing TePAKA4 and IEEE 802.1X

Andrew

Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will empower the IEEE 802 HoD to the SC6 meeting in June 13

Motion

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC recommends that Bruce Kraemer be appointed as HoD of the IEEE 802 delegation to the SC6 meeting in June 2013 and be authorised to:– Appoint the IEEE 802 delegation– Approve any necessary submissions– Call any necessary preparation teleconferences

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider approving a response to the Swiss NB comparion of 802.1X

Motion

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC recommends that <tbd> be approved as a response to “A Comparative Analysis of TePAKA4 and IEEE 802.1X Security” by the Swiss NB, and by liaised to SC6 if deemed appropriate by Bruce Kraemer

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The SC will consider a motion approving the responses related to the 802.1X pre-ballot

Motion

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC recommends that the responses in <tbd> to the comments from the China NB in the pre-ballot in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 on IEEE 802.1X under the PSDO process be approved and liaised to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The SC will consider a motion approving the responses related to the 802.1AE pre-ballot

Motion

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC recommends that the responses in <tbd> to the comments from the China NB in the pre-ballot in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 on IEEE 802.1AE under the PSDO process be approved and liaised to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

Andrew Myles, Cisco

The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will prepare for the next SC6 meeting at the May interimPlans for IEEE 802 plenary in March 2013

• Obtain agreement for SC6 participation mechanism & decide on response to “interpretation” from Swiss NB– Approval required from 802.1, 802.3 & 802.11 WG’s, IEEE 802 EC

• Obtain agreement to submit 802.11aa/ad/ae to ISO/IEC under PSDO– Approval required by 802.11 WG (done), IEEE 802 EC (probably by e-mail)

• Obtain agreement to submit 802.3 to ISO/IEC under PSDO– Approval required by 802.3 WG, IEEE 802 EC

• Empower the IEEE 802 HoD for SC6 meeting – Approval by IEEE 802 EC

• Agree on response to Swiss NB submission on TEPA-AC– Approval required from 802.1 WG & IEEE 802 EC

• Request expert assistance for SC6 meeting– Approval by HoD

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Submission

Mar 2013

Are there any other matters for consideration by IEEE 802 JTC1 SC?

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Myles, Cisco

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Submission

Mar 2013

The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will adjourn for the week

Motion:

• The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC, having completed its business in Vancouver in Jan 2013, adjourns

• Moved:

• Seconded:

• Result:

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Myles, Cisco

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