DRAWING EXTRA CARDS

German Speaking Judge MeetingOctober 24-25, 2015

By Juergen Wierz

INHALTEinleitungWie war es? Was ist neu?EinzelheitenBeispieleDiskussion

EINLEITUNGSchon immer unglücklichHidden informationStrafe unproportionalVerschiedene Lösungsversuche

Nicht praktikabel

EINLEITUNGKeine ingame-fixesKeine Strafe mit unvorhersehbarem Einfluss

Keine strategischen ingame Judge Entscheidungen

Inkonstant!

WIE WAR ES?GAME PLAY ERROR — DECDefinition:

A player illegally puts one or more cards into his or her hand and, at the moment before he or she began the instruction or action that put a card in his or her hand, no other Game Rule Violation or Communication Policy Violation had been committed, and the error was not the result of resolving objects on the stack in an incorrect order. If the player received confirmation from his or her opponent before drawing the card (including confirming the number of cards when greater than one), the infraction is not Drawing Extra Cards. Additionally, it is Drawing Extra Cards if a player has exess cards in their hand that he or she cannot account for.

Penalty: Game Loss

WIE WAR ES?GAME PLAY ERROR — DECDefinition:

A player illegally puts one or more cards into his or her handand, at the moment before he or she began the instruction or action that put a card in his or her hand, no other Game Rule Violation or Communication Policy Violation had been committed, and the error was not the result of resolving objects on the stack in an incorrect order. If the player received confirmation from his or her opponent before drawing the card (including confirming the number of cards when greater than one), the infraction is not Drawing Extra Cards. Additionally, it is Drawing Extra Cards if a player has exess cards in their hand that he or she cannot account for.

Penalty: Game Loss

WIE WAR ES?GAME PLAY ERROR — DECPhilosophy:

Though this error is easy to commit accidentally, the potential for it to be overlooked by opponents mandates a higher level of penalty. If the identity of the card was known to all players before being placed into the hand, or was placed into an empty hand, and the card can be returned to the correct zone with minimal disruption, do so and downgrade the penalty to a warning

Penalty: Game Loss

WIE WAR ES?Harte StrafeDEC und GRV / CPV getrennt

DEC =/= L@eCMöglicher Downgrade

KERN VON DEC?Ungeordnete ZoneNicht einsehbar für GegnerZusätzliche Karte nicht unterscheidbar

Kein echter Fix möglich

KERN VON DEC?Lösung?Kein Fix sondern Abschwächung

Ziel: sichere Vereitelung des Vorteils!

Kein Game Loss

WIE IST ES JETZT?GAME PLAY ERROR — DECDefinition:A player does any of the following: • Puts one or more cards into his or her hand illegally • Fails to verify specific characteristics of a card with his or her

opponent as required by a spell or ability before putting it into his or her hand

• Has excess cards in his or her hand that cannot be accounted for If a prior Game Rule Violation or Communication Policy Violation

directly led to drawing the extra cards, it is treated as Drawing Extra Cards.

If a player is instructed to look at a set of cards on top of his or her library in order to perform further actions on them and they look at too many cards, the infraction is Drawing Extra Cards, but any remedy is applied to that set of cards. This does not apply to a dexterity error where the additional card is clearly separate from the ones being looked at.

Penalty: Warning

WIE IST ES JETZT?Alles was Karten zieht jetzt DEC

Beinhaltet auch angeschaute Karten

“look at“ und “scry N“

WIE IST ES JETZT?Warum DEC infraction?Ungeordnete, nicht unterscheidbare Karten: wie Handkarten

Vorsicht bei runter gestoßenen Karten (L@eC)

WIE IST ES JETZT?GAME PLAY ERROR — DECPhilosophy:

Though this error is easy to commit accidentally, the disruption caused by moving a card into a hidden zone mandates a higher level of scrutiny, including a remedy that minimizes the benefit that may be realized from the error.

Penalty: Warning

WIE IST ES JETZT?Philosophie Veränderung?Nicht mehr hohe StrafeNegierung des VorteilsSpieler spielen lassen

WIE IST ES JETZT?Neue Strafe immer sanfter als die alte

Judge keine strategische Entscheidung

Judge = unparteiisch

WIE IST ES JETZT?GAME PLAY ERROR — DEC

Additional Remedy: (Teil 1)If the identity of the card(s) was known to all players before

being placed into the hand, or was placed into an empty hand, and can be put in the correct location with minimal disruption, do so.

If the cards were drawn as part of the legal resolution of an illegally played instruction, due to a Communication Policy Violation, or were as the result of resolving objects on the stack or multiple-instruction effects in an incorrect order, a backup may be considered or the game state left as-is.

If the player confirmed the card draw with his or her opponent before drawing, a backup may be considered or the game state left as-is.

Penalty: Warning

WIE IST ES JETZT?GAME PLAY ERROR — DEC

Additional Remedy: (Teil 2)If the situation isn’t covered by the previous three

paragraphs, the player reveals his or her hand and the opponent selects a number of cards equal to the excess. Those cards are shuffled into the random portion of the deck.

A simple backup may be used if there have been additional parts of the instruction performed since the illegal card draw, such as discarding or returning card to the top of the library. Once this remedy has been applied, the player does not repeat the instruction (if any) that caused extra cards to be drawn.

Penalty: Warning

EINZELHEITEN If the identity of the card(s) was known to all players

before being placed into the hand, or was placed into an empty hand, and can be put in the correct location with minimal disruption, do so.

So wie früher, do soTrotzdem Warning

EINZELHEITEN If the cards were drawn as part of the legal resolution

of an illegally played instruction, due to a Communication Policy Violation, or were as the result of resolving objects on the stack or multiple-instruction effects in an incorrect order, a backup may be considered or the game state left as-is.

Kein Gegnerpick!Backup oder so lassenTrotzdem Warning

EINZELHEITEN If the player confirmed the card draw with his or her

opponent before drawing, a backup may be considered or the game state left as-is.

Kein Gegnerpick!Backup oder so lassenTrotzdem Warning

EINZELHEITENIf the situation isn’t covered by the previous three paragraphs, the

player reveals his or her hand and the opponent selects a number of cards equal to the excess. Those cards are shuffled into the random portion of the deck.

A simple backup may be used if there have been additional parts of the instruction performed since the illegal card draw, such as discarding or returning card to the top of the library. Once this remedy has been applied, the player does not repeat the instruction (if any) that caused extra cards to be drawn.

Großteil aller SituationImmer erst wenn die anderen 3 ausgeschlossen

EINZELHEITENNormale LösungIn random Teil mischenHandkarten aufschreiben ok (kurz)

EINZELHEITENEventuell simpler (!) backup

Rückgängig bis zum drawDann GegnerwahlDann Rest nochmals ausführen

Draw nicht wiederholen

EIN PAAR BEISPIELEFreiwillige vor!

UPS 5 KARTEN ANGESCHAUT?

If a player is instructed to perform an action to a set of cards on the top of his or her library and adds too many cards to that set, the infraction is Drawing Extra Cards, but any remedy is applied to that set of cards.

UPS 5 KARTEN ANGESCHAUT?

Lösung?Gegner wählt

eine der 5 Karten

Dann normales resolven

Auch bei scry N

+1KARTE EINFACH GENOMMEN?

Fails to verify specific characteristics of a card with his or her opponent as required by a spell or ability before putting it into his or her hand.

+1KARTE EINFACH GENOMMEN?

Lösung?Gegner wählt

eine Handkarte

Keine Wiederholung

JACE NACH KAMPF NOCHMAL?2. AKTIVIERUNG

If the cards were drawn as part of the legal resolution of an illegally played instruction…

JACE NACH KAMPF NOCHMAL?2. AKTIVIERUNG

Lösung?Enweder

Backup oder so lassen

Auch bei falschem Mana!

SUPER LOOTER?DRAW 2, THEN DISCARD 1

If the situation isn’t covered by the previous three paragraphs, the player reveals his or her hand and the opponent selects a number of cards equal to the excess. Those cards are shuffled into the random portion of the deck. A simple backup may be used if there have been additional parts of the instruction performed since the illegal card draw, such as discarding or returning card to the top of the library. Once this remedy has been applied, the player does not repeat the instruction (if any) that caused extra cards to be drawn.

SUPER LOOTER?DRAW 2, THEN DISCARD 1

Lösung?Backup zuerstGegner wählt

und shuffleDann discard

wiederholen

ERST GESUCHT, DANN GEZOGEN?

If the cards were drawn […] as the result of resolving objects on the stack or multiple-instruction effects in an incorrect order…

ERST GESUCHT, DANN GEZOGEN?

Lösung?Enweder

Backup oder so lassen

HANDKARTEN VERMISCHTKein DECAber ich bin

auf 5 Leben?

Tja, das war‘s!

DAS WAR‘S!Vielen Dank für die Aufmerksamkeit!

Fragen? Kommentare? Anregungen?

BONUS: DOMRI NOCHMALZWEITE AKTIVIERUNG

If the identity of the card(s) was known to all players before being placed into the hand, or was placed into an empty hand, and can be put in the correct location with minimal disruption, do so.

Oder?

If the cards were drawn as part of the legal resolution of an illegally played instruction […] a backup may be considered or the game state left as-is.