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Originally Posted by MessalineApghar What I get from it , is that chris said "I don't think we deal with invicta" goes back to

corporate and finds out "yes we deal with invicta"

but that's just my opinion.

I don't know but the letter I read from Becker he doesn't say I don't think we deal with

Invicta he say's "we have never dealt with Invicta as a customer & have never sold them any

movements" but honestly does it really matter? The only person who really knows what happened is the Big Guy in the Sky & I'm sure his plate is pretty full with real important stuff

& he doesn't want to have to deal with this Debacle with DD & Invicta!!

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06-26-2010, 11:45 PM

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I believe the new OFFICIAL Statement clarifies all your concerns!

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06-27-2010, 01:30 AM

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thanks jim i appreciate the profesional response i love invicta time pieces i think thet make a

very good time piece they havnt been in bussiness as long as they have for nothing have a great day

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06-27-2010, 02:36 AM

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IMO -

The statement puts one thing aside that should never have been a concern in the first place

and I am thankfull for that . However all you people who say it's over and lets move on are in my opinion looking through rose colored glasses ... this issue is bigger to the actual

purchasers of this peice then the geeks who say they have no dog in this fight !!

My problem is again a watch gets passed on to the consumer which is obviously flawed and no compensation is given to the buyer ... it's always return or repair and wait 15 weeks for a

watch that you are making payments on to make it back to you and hope all is fine after that

!!

Where is the true I am sorry letter in the box of the returned watch or even a simple rebate

check for our trouble , or a coupon for a future Invicta purchase ???

I mean I sat on the phone with my Norton antivirus protection for 1 1/2 hrs and they weren't even at fault , I just needed an updated software version and they gave me an additional 30

days of coverage for free for me sitting on the phone .

Seems to me every issue with Invicta is just , like it or lump it ... I sent the watch in for

repair before the DD issue even came to light ... so the statement only confirms what is in the watch and what I should have received in the first place nothing more !!!!

It does nothing to compensate the inconvenience of no watch or money that could have

been put to use elsewhere !!

I know every geek will not all be satisfied by this statement it can't be done , and I have now

become leary of any Invicta presentations , it will take a long while before my dollars go into

Eyals pockets in the future !!

I hope this post is passed on to him and he steps up and compensates the buyers of this

watch that were defective and choose to get it repaired . Afterall we are the big loosers ...

Just food for thought .....

Rock on my fellow Geeks ....

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06-27-2010, 04:49 AM

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Glad it was issued. Glad it covered all the points. Glad its over now and we can more onto

other things. No doubt it was written by corporate attorneys and it was well done. Thanks to

all involved. Next topic.

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06-27-2010, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wave3214

Glad it was issued. Glad it covered all the points. Glad its over now and we can more onto other things. No doubt it was written by corporate attorneys and it was well done. Thanks

to all involved. Next topic.

Don't know about well done, but yes, done!

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06-27-2010, 07:18 AM

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Thanks for the update Jim and following through as always.

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06-27-2010, 07:34 AM

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I believe that if we simply READ the warranty that came with our watches, we'll see exactly WHAT the obligation of the manufacturer IS, IF anything is found wrong with the items

manufacture.

Usually, it states that the item will be replaced free of charge, and in the case of ShopNBC, will be replaced in the first 30 days without question.

So, what exactly would ANYONE expect past that?

If you're not satisfied with the product send it back.

If you want it fixed, be patient.

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Originally Posted by MessalineApghar

...from everything i've seen & heard, DD has more demand then they have capacity ,

which means to me, MORE contracts doesn't mean more $ to them, at least in the short term, just longer wait times for all.

I agree. From pictures of the dd module posted by mr horology in another thread one can see the utter beauty and complexity of the module attached to a handsome ETA engine. Add

all that to its flawless operation and its easy to see why its in demand. Im sure it takes

significant effort and time to build this quality product.

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06-27-2010, 07:52 AM

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This issue was a disaster from the beginning. This will continue to be a disaster until it is

finally forgotten about. Anyone who bought one hopefully, will get their watch replaced or

repaired at no cost (shipping included). There will never be an explanation that everyone will agree is acceptable. I didnt purchase this watch so as far as my spending over 1,300.00 on a

watch (genuine or fake) isnt an issue. However it does go back to my other Invicta watches.

I no longer trust the company and I just cant get myself to buy another one of their

products. I'm sure Invicta will be upset with that They could care less. Which is

another reason why I won't buy Invicta again. There are at least 3 other companies that do care. They will be the ones to get my business. All those who continue to purchase from

them, I hope you dont have problems and that there are no more issues to face in the

future. If some do crop up and you get burned I feel sorry for you but it was your decision.

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06-27-2010, 08:46 AM

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I wanted to compare this statement to the previous email response from DD but I can't

locate the tread. Has it been removed?

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06-27-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hitch I agree. From pictures of the dd module posted by mr horology in another thread one can

see the utter beauty and complexity of the module attached to a handsome ETA engine.

Missed that post...can you point us in the right direction? Thanks.

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06-27-2010, 10:09 AM

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DD Module

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Originally Posted by Spring Lake Bob

Missed that post...can you point us in the right direction? Thanks.

http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...=Dubois+Depraz

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06-27-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nycruza

I would have to say the laughing stock are those that tried to make this more then it was

(unsubstantiated rumors, theories, speculation, etc.).

Having had the watch appraised early on (that's why I was POSTIVE of it authenticity) at/by reliable and highly qualified dealers, I can assure you no one in the REAL WORLD is

laughing at Invicta or THIS particular product (except BLOGGERS).

What service issues! It was stated long ago that if there is a problem OR you THINK there is a problem, contact Rebecca and send it in OR return to SNBC for refund (and they

(SNBC) also refunded the initial shipping and for those that asked received a prepaid UPS

sticker).

Personally, when I received the first one in an unsatisfactory condition, I immediately

called SNBC got a replacement at the TTV price and AFTER it was received returned the

original.

NO PROBLEMS; NO PAIN!

The replacement has been working flawlessly since it's arrival almost 2 months. In the

UNLIKELY event their is a problem in the future (5 years) I am confident Invicta will correct

the problem to my satisfaction.

That's MHO.

Come on A.J, you know that dog won't hunt!

People are laughing loud and hard because those "unsubstantiated rumors, theories, speculation, etc" haven't been laid to rest.

I'm curious when the appraised you watch, did they open it up?

Did they take off the hands and dial and inspect the module? Lastly what kind of appraisal did the give you?

As far as service goes...... well Invicta service speaks for itself

But on a positive note.... ENJOY you Speedway. I had an original

and it was a beautiful watch.

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06-27-2010, 12:26 PM

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I didn't buy this watch, but I have been following the Speedway DD story since it broke. To me this is an important event, and honestly, I still would call it a debacle. Anyone who has bought an Invicta and anyone who is contemplating buying an Invicta needs to know about it and form his or her own conclusion.

Many of my fellow WGs are satisfied by the official statement. I respect them and I would not try to dissuade them from their assessments. I do want to say for the record, though, that I find the statement to be rather vague and incomplete.

I am most impressed here by the points brought up by WatchYaThink (Larry). I think he raises some very valid concerns and questions.

~ Denise

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06-27-2010, 01:11 PM

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Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a

hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you

company at night, that dog hunts fine

I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying about

the Truth is always harder to accept!

Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more

importantly CARES!

And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.

Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really

belong to Eyal and Chris!

As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and I

would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD

movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).

Not bad for a bunch of hicks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell3

Come on A.J, you know that dog won't hunt!

People are laughing loud and hard because those "unsubstantiated rumors, theories,

speculation, etc" haven't been laid to rest.

I'm curious when the appraised you watch, did they open it up?

Did they take off the hands and dial and inspect the module? Lastly what kind of appraisal did the give you?

As far as service goes...... well Invicta service speaks for itself

But on a positive note.... ENJOY you Speedway. I had an original

and it was a beautiful watch.

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06-27-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nycruza

Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you

company at night, that dog hunts fine

I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying

about the Truth is always harder to accept!

Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more importantly CARES!

And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.

Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really

belong to Eyal and Chris!

As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and

I would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I

provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD

movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).

Not bad for a bunch of hicks!

A.J. Living out here in Phoenix, I am LMAO at your response. Your post just made my day.

Thanks !

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06-27-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rottieluv

I didn't buy this watch, but I have been following the Speedway DD story since it broke. To me this is an important event, and honestly, I still would call it a debacle. Anyone who has bought an Invicta and anyone who is contemplating buying an Invicta needs to know about it and form his or her own conclusion.

Many of my fellow WGs are satisfied by the official statement. I respect them and I would not try to dissuade them from their assessments. I do want to say for the record, though, that I find the statement to be rather vague and incomplete.

I am most impressed here by the points brought up by WatchYaThink (Larry). I think he raises some very valid concerns and questions.

~ Denise

Hi Denise, well stated and I too, would have to agree with Larry's original post within this

thread.

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06-27-2010, 01:50 PM

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It is good news. A lot of us were quick to make negative comments, some went over the

edge. I agree it's is over. Let's move on. Thanks Jim for your involvement.

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06-27-2010, 02:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kless13

http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php...=Dubois+Depraz

That it. Post #19 in the thread. Thanks kless.

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06-27-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nycruza Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a

hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you

company at night, that dog hunts fine

I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying

about the Truth is always harder to accept!

Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more

importantly CARES!

And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.

Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really

belong to Eyal and Chris!

As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and

I would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I

provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).

Not bad for a bunch of hicks!

LOL! A.J Now that was a funny post!

Now I have to travel out there to see you!

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06-27-2010, 03:10 PM

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I am not saying I knew how this was going to end but I was certain not everyone would be happy. These two men made a statement and signed it and I know it is not on a letterhead but that really does not matter because there signature is present. To all of us that have one of these watches if you are satisfied with yours as I am, then be happy life is just too short . To all the people who did not buy one but are very involved in how this turns out, well draw your conclusion and stick by it but do not try to make everyone else do it. If you own one and have an issue you are going to be given a priority to get it corrected. This is the statement there will not be another one those of us that are fine with it that is GREAT you are able to make your own decision , for those that are unhappy that is fine also you are entitled to your opinion and able to make your own decisions . Everyone has made up there minds so lets just go about our collecting and not try to change each others opinions it is not going to work. Let's get back to having fun here - JMHO

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06-27-2010, 03:21 PM

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That works for me Nick!

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06-27-2010, 03:27 PM

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06-27-2010, 03:32 PM

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Your the man Nick....

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06-27-2010, 04:47 PM

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And THIS is WHY - They call him CHIEF!

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I am not saying I knew how this was going to end but I was certain not everyone would be happy. These two men made a statement and signed it and I know it is not on a letterhead but

that really does not matter because there signature is present. To all of us that have one of these watches if you are satisfied with yours as I am, then be happy life is just too short . To all the people who did not buy one but are very involved in how this turns out, well draw your conclusion and stick by it but do not try to make everyone else do it. If you own one and have an issue you are going to be given a priority to get it corrected. This is the statement there will not be another one those of us that are fine with it that is GREAT you are able to make your own decision , for those that are unhappy that is fine also you are entitled to your opinion and able to make your own decisions . Everyone has made up there minds so lets just go about our collecting and not try to change each others opinions it is not going to work. Let's get back to having fun here - JMHO

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I agree with Nick and thanks Jim, Eyal, Christoper Becker, and anyone else who helped get

this response out. Now lets just let it go... Enjoy summer. Before you know it, you'll have

your repaired DD back.

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He didn't "change" his statement ... and the statement that he originally released was after multiple consultations on the manner directly with the ownders of DD. I don't see how you

possibly come to this conclusion?!

Okay, I have no stake in this issue, I do think the first Chris Becker statement made sense if

you believe that Invicta did purchase the DD engines from a third party, and not the OEM.

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Originally Posted by Gregg Okay, I have no stake in this issue, I do think the first Chris Becker statement made sense

if you believe that Invicta did purchase the DD engines from a third party, and not the

OEM.

I'm not sure why but I never paid too much attention to all the noise about exactly where

Invicta got the DD movements, or who they got them from. I'm quite sure Mr. Becker was

correct when he stated early on that Invicta had never been a customer of DD nor had DD

ever shipped them any movements. And I'm very sure that he checked with the main office before issuing his statement.

I always just assumed that one of the watch companies that had a shipment of the DD

movements decided after receiving them that due to current depressed watch sales, it wouldn't pay to build as many watches using the DD movement as they had originally

planned.

So, what to do with all the extra--and expensive--DD movements? Simple. Get on the phone. I'll bet there are a number of watch companies out there that would love to get their

hands on a bunch of these movements, perhaps at a discount--and no waiting! I'll bet Eyal

jumped at the chance.

So company B sells the extra DD movements to Invicta and they're both happy. I suspect

that right now there are some real bargains as companies are anxious to unload unwanted

inventory of various kinds.

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Originally Posted by nycruza

Now I realize us SW NVer hicks are not as sophisticated as you all in E PA. Hey we have a

hard time keeping the privies clear. But out here where the rattlers and scorpions keep you

company at night, that dog hunts fine

I know we are a bit slow and laid back out in these here parts but we have this saying

about the Truth is always harder to accept!

Except for literally a handful of people (.003% of the US population) no one knows or more

importantly CARES!

And again in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink and cannot let go.

Maybe we need to hire a handwriting analysis expert to determine if those signatures really

belong to Eyal and Chris!

As stated in a SEVERAL previous threads, any owner of the DD Speedway could PM me and I would provide the two assessments. Several dozen geeks took me up on that offer and I

provided them the comments of the two dealers (and yes they are experienced with DD

movements and have the ability to repair ON SITE).

Not bad for a bunch of hicks!

Scorpions & Rattle Snakes Huh, what part of Las Vegas do you live in? I have been following

this from the beginning & have noticed you have an awful lot of replys on this subject & I

was wondering if you would have taken the same stance had your DD Speedway been

messed up as alot of the others were? A $1000.00 is a heck of alot of money for most people

to spend on something that may or may not work now or in the future. Those aren't good odd's even in Vegas. Then you state "in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink

& can't let go", maybe they aren't satisfied with the response from Invicta & DD? If I'm not

mistaken the purpose of a forum is to post a question & that opens it up to discussion to

resolve a potential problem & there are always going to be people having a difference of opinion, that's part of living here in the good old USA!

IMO there are going to be members who are disgruntled for whatever reason & I don't feel

they should be grouped & chastised for stating their opinon!! That's just My Own Opinion on

this Debacle with Invicta & DD!!!!!

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Ya know overall the response was far more than actually expected so why not just respond

to it with your wallet. If your not happy with it let your wallet do some serious soul searching

before purchasing another Invicta watch.

It has been mentioned in the past and only recently cemented into solid truths about various

Invicta debacles that has led many to question both the integrity of the company and of the

CEO of Invicta with this DD issue being yet another debacle in whats getting to be a very

long list of them.

Was the debacle handled satisfactorily? To some it was but to others it was not. There are

those who want an apology from Eyal but you aint gonna get that so if you really want that

let your wallet determine your next moves. Do I think Eyal owes an apology or explanation of exactly what he did? Yeah it would be nice but it aint gonna happen so why keep harping

about it. Its time to move on and let the wallets speak for you.

Now for those who have sent in there watches to be fixed I hope you get them back quickly and enjoy them and for those that have no problems I hope they continue that way for 100

years.

Now for those who just dont want to let this topic end let me just say give it up, you aint gonna get what you want and your only beating your head against the walls of sanity. It is

what it is and if your upset you only have yourself to blame for it all. Anyone who thinks

they are actually getting $5k or $10K watches for just pennies on the dollar should be

considering investing in mountaintop oil drilling because that is where the money is going to

be made. You only have yourselves to blame for thinking you were and have been getting far far more than what you actually got both now and in the past so please lets just move

along, the last train has left the station and some of you are the only ones left standing on

the platform rambling on about dead issues. Lets just agree that what we have is all we are

going to get and we may not like it but it is what it is and that is what we need to accept.

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Today, 08:52 AM

nycruza Senior Member Super Geek

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The FACT is if you had read my replies you would have seen that my INITIAL Speedway WAS

messed up - misaligned hands.

I also was very VOCAL in pointing to Invicta QC in that this should have been caught AND

that they were NOT doing their job.

But instead of WHINING about the problem and acting like an 8 year old, I took immediate

steps TRYING to obtain one that was not messed up, because I understood the VALUE one

was receiving in this movement.

Fortunately, for me, it worked out. Had it not, the watch would have been returned to

Invicta for repair as detailed in the THREAD originated by Jim Skelton. You see, I'm "old

school". I personally believe good things DO come to those who wait.

BTW - I am not the only other individual (Geek) that returned their LEMON and received a

PEACH.

Difference in opinion is a GOOD thing; accusations, misplaced theories, and rumors are not.

Unfortunately, there are times when threads are heavy on the later and short on the former

and being disgruntled is no excuse for the later.

Finally, if you did not understand the Jonathan Swift type response used to reply to Russell,

what can I say. The only thing that matters is Russell (to his credit) got it! And I truly

believe both of us and several others got a laugh out of it.

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Originally Posted by Warrior Rider

Scorpions & Rattle Snakes Huh, what part of Las Vegas do you live in? I have been

following this from the beginning & have noticed you have an awful lot of replys on this subject & I was wondering if you would have taken the same stance had your DD

Speedway been messed up as alot of the others were? A $1000.00 is a heck of alot of

money for most people to spend on something that may or may not work now or in the

future. Those aren't good odd's even in Vegas. Then you state "in REALITY under 100 people continue to raise a stink & can't let go", maybe they aren't satisfied with the

response from Invicta & DD? If I'm not mistaken the purpose of a forum is to post a

question & that opens it up to discussion to resolve a potential problem & there are always

going to be people having a difference of opinion, that's part of living here in the good old USA!

IMO there are going to be members who are disgruntled for whatever reason & I don't feel

they should be grouped & chastised for stating their opinon!! That's just My Own Opinion

on this Debacle with Invicta & DD!!!!!

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Today, 03:27 PM

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Nick

Those are my feeling exactly. I have a feeling that if you took the time to see, you might find

that the people who have voiced the strongest negative opinions are might just be people

who didn't even buy the freakin' watch.

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Your obviously TELEPATHIC

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Originally Posted by JacksBlues Nick

Those are my feeling exactly. I have a feeling that if you took the time to see, you might

find that the people who have voiced the strongest negative opinions are might just be people who didn't even buy the freakin' watch.

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Today, 08:29 PM

arcata1946 Senior Member Veteran Geek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JacksBlues

Nick

Those are my feeling exactly. I have a feeling that if you took the time to see, you might

find that the people who have voiced the strongest negative opinions are might just be

people who didn't even buy the freakin' watch.

You know, in relationships, a "divorce" between husband/wife doesn't just happen overnight.

I think we saw so much negativity about this particular issue because of "other issues" that

have been building on this forum for months.