Final Years Career Evening

WMS Careers Group

Introduction

• Who are we? – Student lead careers group– Existing members are from every year and

even FY1 Drs (the founders!)– Liaise with Witty Sandle, careers advisor.

• Why are we here?– So we all have access to the same

information– To stop the “rumour mill”

So what is happening tonight?

• Introducing Witty• Jargon busting• MTAS explained (Naomi T)• Foundation training in our Deanery (Mr. Higman)• Career pathways (what does the future hold??!)• Flexible training and training abroad (Dr

Goodyear)• MPS talk• Meet some FY1 doctors.

Jargon Busting!

• What is..?– Deanery: 17 deaneries in the UK and

contain FS (some deaneries are FS)

– Foundation School: Administrative centre for application.

– MTAS

– MMC

– PMETB

Deaneries and FS in the UK• Northern Deanery: 1 (FS) • North West: 1 • Yorkshire: 2• South Yorkshire and Humberside: 1• Mersey: 1• Trent: 1• WMD: 5 • LNR: 1• London: 5 • Eastern: 1• Oxford: 1 • Severn and Wessex: 2• South West Peninsula: 1 • Scotland: 1• Northern Ireland: 1• Wales: 1

= 26 foundation schools

Foundation SchoolsWest Midlands deanery has 5:

– Birmingham North and South(Sandwell General, City, Good Hope and Birmingham

Heartlands and Solihull, Selly Oak, Queen Elizabeth, Birmingham Women’s, Birmingham Children’s & The Royal Orthopaedic)

– Black Country (Dudley, Walsall, Wolverhampton)

– Coventry and Warwickshire(GEH, Walsgrave, Warwick, St Cross)

– Shropshire and Staffordshire (Burton, North-staffs, Mid-staffs, Shrewsbury & Telford)

– Herefordshire and Worcestershire (Hereford, Worcester Royal, Redditch Alexandra)

Importing or Exporting?

• If exporting, produces more students than posts available e.g. London

• If importing, not enough students produced to fill posts

• Information will be available on MTAS website for each foundation school when we apply

Jargon Busting!

• What is..?– Deanery: 17 deaneries in the UK and

contain FS (some deaneries are FS)

– Foundation School: Administrative centre for application.

– MTAS

– MMC

– PMETB

MMC

• Responsible for setting up the new career framework for doctors

• Initiative started in 2003 in response to concerns about “lost tribes of SHOs”

• The new career framework will be discussed in more detail later…..

PMETB

• PMETB – Postgraduate Medical Education Training Board

• Oversee all training of doctors after medical school– Major body putting foundation and specialist training

in place– Allow for improved flexible training, overseas

opportunities

• ‘Control’ over doctors who are currently non-training posts – staff grades, associate specialists

Modernising medical careers: What comes after foundation

years?Victoria Robinson and

Theodora Vatopoulou

F.A.Qs

• When do I apply for run through training?– During F2 (this year in Jan)

• How does application work?– Centralised application, open competition– 2 specialties, 2 deaneries (this year)

• Does it matter what I do in my foundation years? – NO! So don’t stress– But, being proactive in getting experience in your chosen field

may help. • Where to royal college exams fit in?

– Currently under debate– Discouraged in foundation years, may be needed later in training

Specialist training

• Also called “run through training” • Most programmes will be initially broad-based

(eg medicine), becoming more specialty focused over time (eg cardiology).

• Every specialty will have a run-through training programme, lasting from approximately three years in general practice to five – seven years in other specialties.

Specialist Groups for initial 2 years run through training (ST1/2)

• Acute Care Common Stem (ACCS)

• Anaesthesia• Basic Neurosciences

Training (BNT)• Chemical Pathology• General Practice• Histopathology• Medical Microbiology• Medicine in General

•O&G•Ophthalmology•Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery (OMFS)•Paediatrics•Psychiatry•Public Health•Radiology•Surgery in General•Otolaryngology (ENT)*

These are very likely to change before we get to this stage e.g. ENT!

So I want to do medicine….

Exceptions…

• Acute care common stem.

• Neurosciences (neurology, neurosurgery etc)

Both start specialist training at end of F2.

So I want to be a GP…

F1 F2 VTS1 VTS2 VTS3

Application for GPtraining

3x4month jobs hospital

2x3months hospital 6

months GP

1 year GP

CCT

What about general surgery?

F1, F2 ST1 ST2

MRCS

Part 1

ST3 number of years depends on specialty chosen(Probably 3-5 years)

MRCS

Part 2

CareerPosts

Fixed Term Specialist Training

Competitive Entry

Competitive Entry

CCT

Academic Medicine

• Not very clear yet• Not required for career progression.• All physicians in training will achieve generic skills in

research.• If interested in an academic career you can compete

for specific allocated research training posts when in BMT,ST and when in HST (medicine).

• BMT and HST trainees (with deanery/college approval) can apply for time out of a programme to pursue funded research projects, but must return to complete training within a specified time.

Stay up to date!!• MMC website: www.mmc.nhs.uk

– Links to all deaneries, info on application process, FY1 & FY2,

• Royal college websites

• MTAS website: www.mtas.nhs.uk

• Student BMJ

• See WMS career webpage– Follow link from societies page. Loads of info currently being

uploaded. Watch that space!!

Future final year careers events

• Friday 20th October:CSB (instead of SAHD)– 1-2pm Witty and Naomi to talk about the MTAS

application process and what makes a good application.

– 2-3pm Dave Gow from MLP to talk about careers, a free book for everyone (and lots of money for the grad ball!)

• Medical speciality evenings (TBA) all years– Acute medical evening (November 2006)– Women’s and child health (February 2007)

Thank-you!!

• Guest speakers

• Our sponsors– MPS– BMA– Warwick Medical School Development and Alumni

Office

• Medical school office (Mick and Jane)