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Skip WattsRadford University, Radford, VaVirginia Tech, Blacksburg, [email protected]

Geology and Engineering: public policy & some great case histories

GeoHazards in Transportation in the Appalachian Region, Asheville, NC, August 1, 2007

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Challenges:Challenges:1.1. Professional IssuesProfessional Issues

2.2. Political & Legal IssuesPolitical & Legal Issues

3.3. Public Perception IssuesPublic Perception Issues

Geology, Engineering & Public PolicyGeology, Engineering & Public PolicyThe work we do is often fraught with controversy & litigationThe work we do is often fraught with controversy & litigation

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Engineering Geology

The science of geology applied to environmental and engineering concerns, including the safety and performance of manmade structures, and to public health, safety, and welfare.

Engineering Geology includes:• describing and evaluating subsurface

geologic structures, stratigraphy, and water conditions affecting the things humans build;

• exploring and developing rock, soil, and water resources;

• evaluating natural hazards including earthquakes, landslides, floods, subsidence, radon, and asbestos; and,

• participating in multidisciplinary teams.

“If it’s going to be done, let’s do it right!”

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Geotechnical Engineering

The civil engineering discipline concerned with investigating the engineering behavior of earth materials plus water conditions and applying that knowledge to the design and construction of manmade structures.

Geotechnical Engineering includes:• conducting investigations into site

conditions and the properties of existing subsurface materials;

• designing earth structures and foundations for dams, bridges, power plants, buildings, and transportation corridors; and,

• monitoring changing site conditions, earthwork operations and foundation construction.

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Geological Engineering

The engineering discipline of devising engineered solutions to geologic problems faced by society.

“Whenever you see a highway tunnel through a mountain in Colorado or under the Bay in Boston, an Environmental Impact Statement for work near an urban area, a huge open pit mine in Peru or Nevada, a skyscraper in an Francisco or New York, or a bridge in Japan, you see what geological engineers have done to make a living.”

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Comparisons - Engineering Geology is not engineering, as it does not include a design component.A vital function of engineering geology is to effectively support the engineering community by providing any and all geologic information pertinent to design, construction, or remediation activities, especially in geologically challenging or complex settings.

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Political controls on science and Political controls on science and engineering are complex, convoluted and engineering are complex, convoluted and almost always based on hidden agendasalmost always based on hidden agendas……

1.1. Natural hazardsNatural hazards

2.2. Homeland securityHomeland security

3.3. TransportationTransportation

4.4. Global climate Global climate changechange

5.5. National energy National energy policypolicy

6.6. Disposal of nuclear Disposal of nuclear waste at Yucca waste at Yucca MountainMountain

7.7. Oil in AlaskaOil in AlaskaYucca Mountain, NevadaYucca Mountain, Nevada

All politics is local !All politics is local !

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Western wildfires of 1994Western wildfires of 1994

WATTS

Public perceptions are complexPublic perceptions are complex……

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MISC CASE HISTORIESMISC CASE HISTORIES

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Engineering Geologic Evaluation of Rock Engineering Geologic Evaluation of Rock Slope Stability at Natural Bridge, VirginiaSlope Stability at Natural Bridge, Virginia

Chester F. WattsChester F. WattsRadford UniversityRadford University

Gary K. RogersGary K. RogersVirginia Military InstituteVirginia Military Institute

Daniel R. GilliamDaniel R. GilliamRadford UniversityRadford University

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215’ tall, spanning a canyon 90’ wideapproximately 55’thickonly known natural arch in the world to have a highway across it - U.S. Rt 11

Natural Bridge of VirginiaNatural Bridge of Virginia

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Historical interest...Historical interest...

Purchased by Thomas Jefferson in 1774 from King George IIIHeld by heirs until 1833Present owner purchased it in 1984

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SaturdaySaturdayOctober 23, 1999October 23, 1999

A slab of rock A slab of rock approximately 6approximately 6’’ long, 2long, 2’’feet thick, and 3feet thick, and 3’’ wide wide falls from the ceiling of falls from the ceiling of the natural arch, killing a the natural arch, killing a tourist.tourist.

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The Smart RoadThe Smart Road

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The design dilemma:

- vertical slopes are notusually the best, thanks to discontinuities

- work with the geologic structures first to eliminate rockslides

- then mitigate falling and rolling rock with barriers & mesh

Colorado Rockfall Simulation ProgramCRSP

Rockslides Rockslides vsvs rockfalls...rockfalls...

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Graduate research by Robin ReedGraduate research by Robin Reed

Rock slope case histories...Rock slope case histories...

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Chester F. WattsRadford University, Virginia

[email protected]

Frederick A. BrooksCalifornia State University, Chico

Stephen A. UnderwoodRadford University, Virginia

Rockfall Timing Related to Watershed Characteristics and Wastewater Management at Glacier Point,

Yosemite National Park, California

First North American Landslide Conference Vail Colorado, June 4, 2007

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Numerous changes were made to both surface runoff and to wastewater management.

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Recent rockfall damage & injuries in Yosemite Valley below Glacier Point

19961998-99 2003

2005

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Recent rockfall damage & injuries in Yosemite Valley below Glacier Point

1996

1998-99

2003

2005

GLACIER POINT

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The July 10, 1996Happy Isles event

[photos by David F. Walter]

Yosemite National Park says “No known trigger”

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Happy Isles effects...

USGS photosUSGS photos

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1997 Yosemite Rockfall Studies...

1996 rockslide, USGS photos

Special thanks to Howard Ingram & Hi-Tech Rockfall Construction

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Unfortunately, our study became an “attractive nuisance”…

Aggressive university PR led to coverage by:

• NBC News

• National Public Radio

• The Learning Channel

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1996 Rockslide Area

1996 Wastewater Line

Most Probable Groundwater Flow Paths

1996 leach field

Dominant Discontinuity Orientations

[USGS photo]

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Recent rockfall damage & injuries in Yosemite Valley below Glacier Point

1996

1998-99

2003

2005

GLACIER POINT

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Not “active” in historic time until --

• November 16, 1998

• May 25, 1999

• June 13 throughJuly 14, 1999

• Rockfalls & “rockfall sounds” through July 21 (YNP internal memo)

Yosemite National Park says “No known trigger”

Photo by Lloyd DeForest

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Photo by Lloyd DeForest

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Curry Village 1998-99 rockslide release area

modified USGS diagram[AP Wire photo]

water

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Recent rockfall damage & injuries in Yosemite Valley below Glacier Point

1998-99

2003

2005

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Staircase Falls Creek flows through Curry Village

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Recent rockfall damage & injuries in Yosemite Valley below Glacier Point

1998-99

2003

2005

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“On Oct. 25, 2005, a rockfall from the cliffs above sent flyrock well into the new dorm during construction with only one minor injury.” (Wieczorek et al., 2007)

October 2005 Rockfall,new dormitory area

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Wastewater as a trigger for some Glacier Point slides?

1. The amount of wastewater is insufficient to trigger such large & catastrophic rock falls

2. Wastewater is insignificant compared to natural rainfall and snowmelt

Yosemite’s arguments against wastewater as a trigger…“Process – Connection – Time Coincidence”

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Point source wastewater is actually be far more significant thannonpoint source natural water in this case !

28-42,000 gals natural snowmelt, 1999100,000’s gals wastewater, 1999

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(Abandoned)

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Apparent dip Actual dip

Apparent dip

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Groundwater Flow Paths

Drainage areaGlacier Point, Yosemite National Park(modified from USGS Photo)

Apparent dips, not true dips

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Time coincidence…Curry Village 1999 rockfalls match periods of wastewater overflow

1999 Data

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GEOLOGY & PUBLIC POLICY in National ParksGEOLOGY & PUBLIC POLICY in National Parks

At the moment, Yosemite National Park is not accountable At the moment, Yosemite National Park is not accountable to anyone for rockfall hazards:to anyone for rockfall hazards:

1.1. A federal judge ruled that the causes of rockslides in A federal judge ruled that the causes of rockslides in Yosemite are irrelevant, hence the science has never Yosemite are irrelevant, hence the science has never been seen by the court.been seen by the court.

2.2. The federal judge ruled that as the laws are currently The federal judge ruled that as the laws are currently written, warning about hazards is discretionary in written, warning about hazards is discretionary in national parks.national parks.

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State of Hawaii was held liable…

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Wieczorek description of October 2005 rockfall…(Wieczorek et al., 2007)

“On Oct. 25, 2005, a rockfall from the cliffs above sent flyrock well into the new dorm during construction with only one minor injury.”

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“A rockfall occurred in Yosemite National Park at approximately 3:45 pm on October 25, 2005 near Curry Village in eastern Yosemite Valley. No damage or injuries were reported from falling rocks.”

“The construction site was designed to allow for rockfall while maintaining the safety of visitors and staff.

The "fly rock," or falling debris from the initial release, fell primarily into a parking area under construction.”

Yosemite National Park press release…

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“If the Terbush family wins their claim against Yosemite… we will almost certainly have to close ALL of Yosemite to rock climbing.” (U.S. Attorney)

Shouldn’t they be saying…

“If the Terbush family wins their claim against Yosemite… we will almost certainly have to stop draining wastewater into Glacier Point cliffs” …?

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When money and politics rewrite science, truth & public welfare are often the victims

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Quietly, the running water systems are being replaced with “waterless” vault toilets…

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Conclusions:

• The hazard to Curry Village from rockfalls, rockslides, & debrisflows is high

• Some events are triggered by natural processes, some by human activity

• The park administration continues to minimize the hazard

Suggested management practices:

• Monitor both natural and human triggers

• Develop a warning system• Educate visitors and employees• Provide rockfall action plans

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