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Foggy Mountain Guide Service ● 139 Charleston Road ● Charleston, Maine 04422 ● (207) 564-3404 ● [email protected]

Greetings from the

Maine Woods!

Thanks to all our hunters for a great

2016 season. Maine’s bear population has

continued to grow and all signs in the

woods indicate that the 2017 season will

be just as awesome!

Our 2017 season will see us at our new

base camp at Ebeemee Lake. This was a

long time Foggy Mountain goal, and puts

our Maine Highlands hunters much closer

to their hunting stands.

In addition to our already established

and productive bait sites, we will open

even more land area with new blinds that

we have been testing for several years.

Feel free to give me a call – I love

hearing from fellow hunters.

– Brandon Bishop Beautiful North Woods Trophy taken by Jeff Manus of Alliance, Ohio

For More Info on our 2017 & 2018 Bear Hunts — Visit www.FoggyMountain.com Fall 2016

© 2016 — Foggy Mountain Guide Service, All Rights Reserved

Brandon the Bear Hunter

Highlights of our

2016 Bear Hunt

Our bear hunting season turned out

to be a dandy – both in terms of bear

seen and taken.

Unusually dry weather this summer

left the bear very hungry as they headed

into the fall fattening up season.

During mid-season that hot weather

returned to give us a fit for a handful of

days. The huge bear we knew were on

bait held up in the swamps and bogs

until the temperatures dropped a few

degrees toward evening. Subsequently,

during those days we took some

smaller bear.

We love facing mother nature’s

challenges and were ready to apply our

knowledge of black bear biology, many

years of hunting them, strategies for

selecting bait and stand sites, and of

course the famous Foggy Mountain

scents and lures.

To the pleasure of many Foggy

Mountain hunters, most days they got

into plenty of bear and took some real

nice monsters too!

Good Shots, Good Hunters

Good shots, by good hunters, kept

the game pole in constant use during

our 2016 season. Here is a partial list of

those who shot a bear this season:

Despite the rainy day, Paul

Suplinskas of Grant, MI, killed a nice

bear on his first bear hunt

Dave Dillon killed his bear on

Tuesday and took it home to

Mannington, WV.

Tate Myers of York, PA, bagged a

trophy bear that tipped the scales at just

over 350lbs.

Tim Glasscock of Bellaire, OH

harvested his bear with a beautiful shot.

Tim also returned to hunt moose and

shot a nice trophy bull with a spread of

46 ½ inches.

(Continued on page 2)

“Thanks for a great time. I will never forget all the fantastic things we experienced in such a short time. Getting that bear was icing on the cake.”

— Joe Bowman, Indiana

Martin Gibbons Jr, Martin Gibbons Sr

and Charlie Franklin arrived together in

search of Maine’s elusive black ghosts,

and each went home to Lusby, MD,

with a nice bear

Lester Rhoden of Lyons, GA, a long

time Foggy Mountain bow hunter, made

one of his classic bow kills on Monday

Josh Larson killed a nice bear on Friday

and headed home to Seneca Falls, NY.

John Rose of Savannah, NY, saw a total

of 8 bear during his 5 day hunt, but

choose to wait for a truly record size.

Ken Copella took a nice boar back to

Clifton Springs, NY.

Phil Coachman of New Wilmngton, PA,

made his long time dream come true by

taking a beauty of a bear on Tuesday

despite the bad weather

Otto Reetz of Appleton, WI, had many

close encounters throughout the week

and finally killed his bear on Friday.

Foggy Mountain veteran Jeff Anderson

of Ann Arbor, MI, made a nice kill and

harvested his bear on Monday.

Jeff Manus took his West Branch bear

home to Alliance, OH.

(Continued from page 1)



Bob Hughes of Orange, NSW, Austraila

harvested his first trophy black bear.

No bear this year for long time hunter

Alfred Gardner of Oakton, VA, but he

did get many trophy voles and moles.

Best of all, his daughter Sarah Gardner

bagged her first black bear!

Chris Hankins of St Louis, MO,

harvested a beautiful bear.

Chuck Darnall of Whitehouse, TX, took

a bear having a beautiful white blaze on

its chest.

Richard Carlson of Solomon, KS,

harvested his first bear.

Ron Vernik sealed the deal on Friday

and took a nice black beauty home to

Bethany, CT.

Carl Smith of Argos, IN, harvesting his

bear on Monday evening.

Ben Hesse of Darien, CT, harvested a

beautiful bear.

Joe Bowman took his bear home to

Hamilton, IN.

Billy Emerson of Taunton, MA, took his

first trophy topping the scales at 500 lbs.

Brandon was so busy skinning bear

this season that he couldn’t keep up with

all his recordkeeping! We apologize to

our many guests not mentioned here who

also shot and took home a trophy.

Excellent West Branch Bear taken by Chris Hankins

Busy morning for these Highlands region Bow and Firearm Hunters— Lester Rhoden, Tim Glasscock & Martin Gibbons Jr.

A Challenge to

All Hunters

The photo of Sarah Gardner (next

page, bottom) is all about the future of

hunting — how dads, you, and I, make

sure that we will all be able to hunt for

years to come, and that our children and

grandchildren can continue to enjoy this

tremendous sport.

Across the nation, people don’t hunt as

much anymore. When adults don’t hunt,

their kids don’t hunt. While a drop in

license sales doesn’t tell the whole story,

it does flash a warning.

For every 100 adult hunters today,

only 69 youth hunters are coming up to

take their place. Once reaching adulthood,

it becomes very hard for non-hunters to

start hunting despite lots of motivation.

If allowed to continue, economic

projections indicate funding for wildlife

conservation and research could drop 25

percent by 2025.

So why are active hunters lapsing?

Why are new hunters not coming on

board? Why are hunter numbers not

keeping pace with population growth?

While the future of hunting is

dependent on greater land access and

increased opportunities for current

hunters, recruitment of next-generation of

hunters — youths and women — remains

the single biggest opportunity.




Sarah Gardner’s First Bear — See page 4

Youngsters are Key

Current data show only 25 percent of

youth from hunting households are

active in the sport.

Nearly 80 percent of adult hunters

started hunting as youths.

Youth restrictions equal less hunting

by youths, as well as their parents.

Many hunters, both men and women,

long to share the experience with their

daughters and sons, but there are 20 states

with laws that prohibit youth from

hunting with their fathers and mothers.

Age restrictions mean that politicians,

not parents, decide when youngsters are

ready to join their families on a hunt.

Moreover, youth restrictions may

compound participation problems, as

parents who can’t legally go with their

youngsters give up on hunting, too.

Hunters Hunt with Other Hunters

As hunting partners move away, pass

away or become involved with other

activities, participation by others in the

group declines as well. This also happens

when an avid hunter moves to a new area.

Hunting activity often does not resume

because a hunter loses the former social

support system.

(Continued from page 2) Families and friends play a huge role

in whether people hunt. Most hunters stop

hunting when their social support systems

break down. Research shows that almost

all hunters are initiated into hunting

before age 20, usually by the father or

other father-figure, in a rural environment.

Hunters who are initiated in this way

hunt more frequently and are more likely

to hunt avidly throughout their lifetime.

Sharing the experience with other

family members who hunt, the amount of

exposure to hunting and the presence of

“the hunting culture” are of utmost

importance. Rarely does hunting initiation

occur without them.

Think “Big Game”

In the past, young hunters typically

started with small game such as rabbits

and squirrels. Today, most sportsmen are

big game hunters.

There is no safety reason to exclude

young people from the popularity, growth

and excitement of big game hunting.

In fact, research shows that the more

we restrict youths from hunting big game,

the more they don't bother hunting at all!

Will Women Lead the Way?

But there is very good news — 19% of

hunters are now women, up from 10% in

2001. Consider this potential for new

hunters — and their children — who will

support hunting on future ballot issues!

Nationwide, the number of female

hunters has increased by 85 percent from

2001 to 2013, according to a national

participation survey.

The State of Indiana reports that the

number of hunting licenses sold to women

increased by 93 percent from 2006 to

2014, and female youth hunters – those

under age 18 – skyrocketed 114 percent

from 2006 to 2014. Wow!

Very importantly, among younger

women – the “millennials” – there is very

little patience with the idea that an activity

like hunting is “unfeminine.” They thrive

on the very idea of a hunting adventure.

A Skidmore College professor said:

“It's reasonable to assume that women’s

growing participation in hunting mirrors

our increased participation in the entire

array of social and cultural activities that

were formerly masculine territory.”

That's the “scholarly” answer. The

practical reason, of course, is that hunting

is fun and deeply rewarding.

It’s up to Us

In Maine, parents may now decide

when a child has the maturity and skill

with a firearm to go hunting.

Take your kids shooting and hunting.

Don’t be one of the 75% percent of

hunters whose kids don’t hunt.

Take a friend, or “the new guy” at

work, on a hunt. Help them out. You

might find a great new hunting partner,

and might even help a non-hunting adult

bring their own kids into the sport.

We must remove unnecessary legal

barriers to youth hunting and create

opportunities for adults to mentor youths

and non-hunting adults in hunting.

Removing regulations is an unfamiliar

concept to legislators and policymakers,

but facts and safety stats support change.

At Foggy Mountain, we have worked

for years to protect hunting and to

increase opportunities for Junior hunters,

women hunters, and expanding the season

so students and teachers can hunt before

classes start in the fall.

If you love hunting, then we all need to

do something.

Nice Bear taken by Josh Larson of Seneca Falls, NY

Vole Hunting?

Ever wonder about those tiny critters

rustling under the leaves while you sit in

your stand? We have some answers.

Actually, Al Gardner has them.

Some of you may have met Al at the

game pole or hanging around camp. He is

known to be extremely patient, so you

might have heard a bit about his work.

Al is a “mammalogist” with the

Patuxent Wildlife Research Center of the

U.S. Geological Survey, Department of

the Interior. His unit’s responsibility is to

curate the North American collections of

birds, mammals, amphibians, and reptiles

for the Smithsonian Institution’s National

Museum of Natural History.

We look forward to Alfred’s visit each

year, and are always amazed at what we

can learn about the Maine woods and the

secret lives of its wildlife. Al arrived with

150 traps for his 2016 season!

We think you will find Al’s story very

interesting too, so we asked Al what he’s

been up to….

Q: What have you trapped here?

Al: At the West Branch, I have caught

two species of Voles: the extremely

common Meadow Vole and the relatively

common Red-backed Vole; plus Deer

Mice, White-footed Mice, 2 species of

Jumping Mice, 3 species of Shrews,



Alfred Gardner, the “Vole Hunter,” and his daughter Sarah’s first bear

“I have been watching your website for 9 or so years and finally booked. The hunt was just as I imagined and then some. Was a true lifetime dream come true.”

– Phil Coachman, Pennsylvania

Eastern Chipmunks, Red Squirrels, and

Northern Flying Squirrels.

Q: Why are you interested in these?

Al: There are several reasons. As a

“mammalogist” I am interested in the

kinds of mammals inhabiting any place

that I visit. As the Curator of North

American Mammals in the National

Museum, our mammal collection (which

exceeds 600,000 specimens) contains

relatively few specimens from Maine and

most of these were collected early in the

20th Century.

My bear-hunting trips have given me

the opportunity to increase our collection

of small mammals from Maine in the

form of freshly prepared specimens along

with tissues for use in genetic analysis.

All of these specimens are research

resources used by the international

scientific community.

Another aspect of this work is

educational, including the opportunity to

show other bear hunters some of the

diversity of wildlife in the areas where

they hunt.

Q: How many vole species in Maine?

Al: There are 4 species of voles and 2

species of moles in Maine.

Q: How do you trap them?

Al: I use live traps and specialized snap

traps, which are about twice the size of

the small, commercial mousetrap.

Q: What do you do with your catch?

Al: I skin these mammals, stuff them

with cotton (legs and tail supported by

wires), and pin them out to dry to make

what we call a museum study specimen.

I always save the skull, and sometimes

the complete skeleton, for each specimen.

I also preserve tissue samples (heart, liver,

muscle) for genetic analysis. When time

permits, parasites are saved for study by

specialists.

The prepared specimens are deposited

into the collections of the Division of

Mammals in the National Museum of

Natural History, Smithsonian Institution

in Washington, DC.

Brook Trout Bonus

Maine has 97% of all the wild brook

trout waters east of the Mississippi.

In September, the larger trout move

from lakes into rivers on their annual

spawning run. Their spawning colors

are beautiful and 18 inch brookies are

taken regularly.

Many of Foggy Mountain’s West

Branch hunters enjoy fantastic wild

brook trout fishing each morning right

at the lodge or in the many pristine

streams nearby. Our guides will direct

you to the local hot spots.

Q: Do you ever find anything unusual?

Al: During this year’s trip, I was able to

save tapeworms from several shrews, and

apparently, these are the first tapeworms

to be recorded in shrews from Maine.

Q: What do voles eat?

Al: Voles are primarily vegetarians,

eating a variety of grasses, sedges, and the

bark and seeds of other plants. They

sometimes will damage specimens in

traps, so obviously they are not

completely vegetarian.

Moles and shrews are primarily

insectivorous, although they do consume

other invertebrates such as earthworms,

snails, and centipedes.

The Short-tailed Shrew, which is

common almost everywhere in Maine, has

venom in its saliva used to immobilize,

but not kill, mice. The Short-tailed Shrew

can return later for a fresh meal. I

sometimes find shrews and mice in my

traps partly eaten by this shrew,

destroying their value as specimens.

Q: What eats voles?

Al: Voles, which can occur in high

numbers, are a primary food for many

carnivores including fox and weasels.

The Star-nosed Mole often forages

above ground where they are caught by a

number of carnivores, including raptors.

Foxes often kill moles and shrews, but

will not always eat them.

The most effective natural predators of

small mammals are owls. Of course,

house cats also kill an amazing number of

small mammals, and are especially

effective in killing fledgling birds.


“I really had a great time with you guys. The lunch and all that your family put on. All you guys did a great job...I truly hope to get there again.”

— Ken Copella, New York



Private Lodging

Private & Flexible – Unlike bear

hunts with most outfitters, lodges and

sporting camps, Foggy Mountain’s bear

hunting guests are not doubled up in a

bunk house with other guests.

Your party will enjoy the privacy of

your own cabin or sleeping room, and

the good night’s sleep that is important

for a good hunt - whether you come

alone, with a large group, with your

spouse or whole family.

Wildlife Experts Say

“Take More Bear”

Foggy Mountain intentionally under

harvests the bear in our hunting areas, and

the population has continued to increase.

The State’s bear biologists estimate

that the areas of Maine where we hunt

have population densities well over one

bear per square mile.

Take More Bears

Biologists at Maine’s Fish & Wildlife

Department continues their request for

hunters to kill more bear. The thriving

bear population is at a record high and

still growing rapidly.

We built a lot of new bait sites this

year. They instantly became active and we

can’t wait to hunt them next fall.

Brandon anticipates that the 2017 and

2018 seasons will produce some

outstanding bear.

Q: Is your trapping legal?

Al: Yes. All of my small mammal

collecting is for scientific purposes and

conducted under a scientific collecting

permit issued by the Maine’s Department

of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife.

More About Al Gardner

Alfred Gardner is a wildlife biologist

at the Patuxent Wildlife Research Center

of the US Geological Survey, US

Department of the Interior. His unit’s

responsibility is to curate the North

American collections of birds, mammals,

amphibians, and reptiles in the

Smithsonian Institution’s National

Museum of Natural History.

Al has been a pioneer in the use of

chromosomes (DNA) to study mammals,

and has published many papers and texts.

In doing so, he has discovered and named

numerous new species - including the

discovery of a mouse-sized Peruvian

opossum that has been named after him,

the “Monodelphis gardneri.”

A fellow scientist, Jim Patton, once

said that Al “taught me that nothing was

worth doing, unless you do it to your

utmost capabilities.” That’s a great

approach for hunters to follow.

Patton further noted that “anything that

Al may have achieved over the past four

decades is primarily due to his ‘early’ life

in mammalogy.”

Yep, that means running around the

woods as a kid – see Lesson #1.

Lessons Learned

Lesson #1 – Start’em Early

Getting kids involved in outdoor

activities is vital to keeping them involved

in a life of hunting. As proof for Lesson

#1, Al’s early adventures sparked his

lifelong love of hunting and sowed the

seeds for his later profession in the natural

history of mammals.

As a youth, spending time outside

chasing critters was Al’s first calling, not

schooling. He hunted and trapped, selling

his first fur as a high school freshman. It

is rumored that he also learned to spot

game wardens at a distance sufficient to

keep from being caught.

Lesson #2 – Hunting is for Families

Without question hunting with family

is a time honored tradition enjoyed by all,

as we noted in “A Challenge to All

Hunters” (pages 2 & 3). It is also the best

way to hand down the hunting traditions

from generation to generation.

We at Foggy Mountain tip our hats to

hunters like Al and his daughter Sarah,

who are lucky enough to share their hunts

with family members and close friends.

May you all get that opportunity on

one hunt or another, regardless if it is a

bear hunt, vole hunt or simply a squirrel

hunt behind your house.

Bob Hughes bagged this Bear for Australia!

Extend Your Season

with a Hound Hunt

Father & Son

Bear Hunts

We are often asked if Foggy

Mountain can accommodate a father

and son hunt. We sure can, and sure do!

We also frequently have father-

daughter, mother-son and even mother-

daughter hunting teams.

Junior hunters from age ten to

fifteen are welcome. Maine requires

they hunt with an adult present. From

sixteen on, hunters may hunt alone.

Foggy Mountain can make this

family experience a great one for the

youngster, and even give Dad a chance

to test his hunting skills.

Call us for details on a special plan

that Dads really like. After the Junior

Hunter kills a bear, we can make it

possible for you to hunt bear for the

remainder of the week if conditions are

right. We even have special pricing

arrangements to help you out.



Bear Hunt with Hounds

2017 Hound Hunts: Season starts September 25th, and

ends October 27th;

Hunts are 5 days, 6 nights lodging;

□ Hunt September 25th (Arrive on the

24th) thru September 29th;

□ or hunt October 2nd (Arrive on the

October 1st) thru October 6th;

□ or hunt October 9th (Arrive on the

October 8th) thru October 13th;

□ or hunt October 16th (Arrive on the

October 15th) thru October 20th;

□ or hunt October 23rd (Arrive on the

October 22nd) thru October 27th.

Get back to Foggy Mountain’s roots on

this exciting hunting adventure. These

hunts produce some really great Maine

black bear each year. Become one of the

hunters who do!

Our hound hunts are a thrilling blend

of hound and hunter skills, with exciting

non-stop action.

We follow a bear wherever it leads us

in the deep woods of Maine. When the

chase is on our truck is in high gear. We

Paul Suplinskas’ Maine Highlands Black Bear

ride through territory most people would

never dream possible.

Our hounds have the experience and

heart to get the job done, and done right.

These hounds, alongside a truly skilled

hounds man, will make for an

experience you will never forget.

If you are an adrenalin loving hunter,

this is the hunt for you!

We take parties of up to three

hunters. Once the bear is treed you get to

choose whether or not you want to take

the bear. You have five days, so if you

choose not to take the bear, then the hunt

continues.

Lodging is housekeeping style (each

cabin has a full kitchen).

Call us for full details.

Holly Soko’s First Bear

“Brandon did an excellent job! He was easy to hunt with and was more than willing to share his knowledge of bear hunting and the area we were hunting. The hospitality and accommodations were fantastic.”

— Frank L. FitzSimons, South Carolina

“We had a great time. Brandon has a great personality and seems very knowledgeable. My wife and I hope to be back again next year for another try.”

– James Miller, Indiana

“I was impressed with Brandon. His personality, knowledge and effort that he put into helping us with our bears was much appreciated.”

— Charles Chihasz, South Carolina

Questions?

Foggy Mountain hunters always ask

lots of questions. Who wouldn’t? You

put a lot on the line when you book a

hunt — your time and money. You

deserve to know what to expect, and

how to make the most out of your hunt.

Brandon tries to answer many of

those questions on the “FAQ” page of

Foggy Mountain’s website.

We strive to make your hunt a

successful one, and to be available

when you have questions. While Foggy

Mountain’s guides are generally in the

woods most of the day, and sometimes

evenings, Brandon is typically at camp

skinning bear and answering questions

– unless he’s also out tracking.

But the most important questions are

the ones you need to ask before you

book a hunt.

Our overall goal is to supply you

with detailed information so you have

no surprises.

2017 Bear Hunts

Foggy Mountain’s two most popular

bear hunting packages are geared to suit

everyone’s individual needs.

Both hunts are in bear infested regions

where we have hunted or performed field

research for decades.

Bear hunting success is the same in

both areas, but our accommodations are

different:

Lodging for our Highlands, Katahdin

and Moosehead Region hunts is

housekeeping style (each cabin has a

full kitchen).

Lodging for our West Branch Region

hunts is American Plan (all meals are

included).

Both hunts are on private lands with

access controlled by gates, as are 95% of

our total hunting territories.

Katahdin-Moosehead Hunts

2017 Bear Hunts: Hunt August 28th (Arrive on the 27th)

thru September 1st;

or hunt September 4th (Arrive on the

3rd) thru September 8th.

Maine’s vast Highland, Katahdin and

Moosehead Region lies between our base

camp, Mount Katahdin and Moosehead

Lake to the north.

You will be hosted at our new base

camp at Ebeemee Lake, where you can

meet other hunters, share stories, and we

even have wireless internet for those who

“just can’t get away from it all.”

We offer excellent housekeeping

accommodations in comfortable cottages

or camps. We match your lodging to the

size of your party and the area you are

hunting. We provide bedding and

household equipment. You’ll have

everything you need to prepare your own

food inexpensively. There are also several

places to eat within easy driving distance.

West Branch Hunts

2017 Bear Hunts: Hunt September 11th (Arrive on the

10th) thru September 15th;

or hunt September 18th (Arrive on the

17th) thru September 22nd.

This hunt is in Maine’s famous West

Branch Region between Moosehead Lake

and the Canadian border.

This bear hunt is tailored the same as

our Highlands, Katahdin & Moosehead

hunts, except you will stay in the comfort

of a fully restored Maine Lumberjack

Lodge. The lodge is designated as an

official National and Maine Historic Site,

and features original turn-of-century

architecture and decor.

What’s more, you’ll enjoy home-

cooked, all-you-can-eat, lumberjack-style

meals, reputed to be the biggest and the

best in Maine. The coffee pot is always

on. We even offer wireless internet if you

“just can’t get away from it all.”

Martin Gibbons took this beauty home to Maryland

Tim Glasscock of Bellaire, OH, returned to Maine after his bear hunt to take this nice bull with Brandon

“Thanks again, will never forget this trip...it was awesome!” – Tim Glasscock, Ohio

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Nice Trophy for Dave Dillon of West Virginia

350 pound monster taken by Tate Myers

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Foggy Mountain Guide Service 139 Charleston Road

Charleston, Maine 04422

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“I want to thank you and your group. We could not have asked for a better time. Everyone in our group saw bears, and the area to hunt is some of the best I’ve ever seen.”

— Larry Salerno, New York

Brandon Bishop, Licensed Registered Maine Guide 139 Charleston Road, Charleston, Maine 04422

Visit Brandon at a 2017 Sport Show

August 11-13, 2017

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Stop by the Foggy Mountain

booth and have a visit.

Rabbit Hunts

2017 Rabbit Season:

One to 5-Day Hunts

November 1st thru March 31st

Youth Hunters Half Price

Our action-packed Rabbit (Snowshoe

Hare) hunts start at 8 AM when we head

to prime rabbit cover and then turn our

well-trained beagles loose. We put you in

a prime crossing location while the

beagles circle the rabbit back toward you.

We enjoy a break from all the action at

noon for a tailgate lunch, then head back

into the thicket for more afternoon action.

Weapon of choice is a shotgun (410,

20, 12, & 16) so this hunt lets everyone

take aim at a rabbit in front of our beagles

regardless of age or shooting ability.

Spring Turkey Hunts

2017 Turkey Season: Hunt May 1st to May 5th, or

Hunt May 8th to May 12th, or

Hunt May 15th to May 19th, or

Hunt May 22nd to May 26th

Maine’s turkey population is booming!

Wild turkeys were re-introduced over

twenty years ago and the population

flourished thanks to the excellent habitat

provided by Maine’s reverting farmsteads.

Foggy Mountain’s turkey hunts are in

a region full of this prime turkey habitat,

where it is common to get the chance to

harvest multiple birds.

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