jackson v aeg live-transcripts july 3rd 2013 - sidney schnoll.(expert in pharmacology, neurology,...

7/28/2019 Jackson V AEG Live-Transcripts July 3rd 2013 - Sidney Schnoll.(Expert in Pharmacology, Neurology, Psychiatry; Addi

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LKMB]ON V KJE Ludy =rg19;=

Gr. ]`gnjy ]mhnodd

(Jxpjrt `n Yhkrckmodoey, Njurodoey, Ysymh`ktry2 Kgg`mtòn Cjg`m`nj ]pjm`kd`st)

Ydk`nt`ffs' Jxpjrt `tnjss!

Mont`nujg g`rjmt jxk`nktòn !y "`mhkjd Bo#$o%%&

"! #oog corn`ne, $r! ]mhnodd!

K! #oog corn`ne!

"! $omtor, % th`n& hjn j djft off yjstjrgky, j jrj tkd&`ne kout thj g`st`nmtòns jtjjn kgg`mtònkng gjpjngjnmy! Kng you hkg tkd&jg kout thj fkmt thkt gjpjngjnmy, hjn k pjrson `s grue gjpjngjnt,thjy mkn eo throueh `thgrkkd sycptocs2 `s thkt rèht

K! *orrjmt!


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"! %n fkmt, `s thkt pkrt of thj gjf`n`tòn of j`ne grue gjpjngjnt

K! +js!

"! hkt you eo throueh `thgrkkd sycptocs Kng you kdso cjntònjg thkt knothjr pkrt of thkt

gjf`n`tòn `s thkt thj ogy u`dgs up k todjrknmj to thj grues so thkt `nmrjks`ne kcounts krj njjgjg torjkmh k mjrtk`n dj-jd2 `s thkt morrjmt

K! +js!

"! No, jrj thjrj, `n thj yjkr .//9, grues on thj ckr&jt, phkrckmjut`mkd grues, thkt moudg jksj thjpk`n of `thgrkkd for pjopdj ho hkg grue gjpjngjnmy

K! +js!

"! hkt `s thj grue ]uoxonj

K! ]uoxonj `s k grue thkt moc`njs, kmtukddy, to grues! %t moc`njs ;uprjnorph`nj kng Nkdoxonj!

"! 1&ky! o grues `n ]uoxonj! ;uprjnorph`nj, kng thj othjr onj ks

K! Nkdoxonj!

"! Kng hkt go thosj hk-j == `thout eo`ne `nto too cumh gjtk`d2 j gon't knt to &no thjYhkrckmodoey!

K! jdd, thjn ==

"! `thout eo`ne `nto too cumh gjtk`d, hkt gojs thkt grue, ]uoxonj, go for k pjrson eo`ne throueh`thgrkkd

K! jdd, ]uoxonj ommup`js thj opò`g rjmjptors!

"! 1&ky! % eujss you hk-j to go t!

K! % hk-j to go t, thj Yhkrckmodoey!

"! hkt `s kn opò`g rjmjptor

K! hj opò`g rjmjptor `s k pkrt of thj njr-ous systjc kng, kmtukddy, othjr pkrts of thj ogy, hjrjopò`g grues moc`nj to e`-j thj jffjmt! ]o hjn you `thgrk socjogy, hkt you knt to go `s e`-jk grue thkt `ngs to thj skcj rjmjptor to h`mh thj grue thj pjrson `s gjpjngjnt on `s `ng`ne, kng youknt to e`-j k grue thkt hks k fk`rdy done kmtòn, fk`rdy done gurktòn of kmtòn, kng thjn you erkgukddy`thgrk `t! Kng thkt's thj ky you e`-j k scooth `thgrkkd!

"! ]o `f you e`-j th`s othjr grue, you'rj sky`ne `t kttkmhjs to thosj rjmjptors thkt oudg norckddy ejtopò`g grues


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K! +js!

"! Kng oudg `t dom& thj grues froc hk-`ne kn opò`g kffjmt or skt`sfy thj mrk-`ne

K! jdd, no you'rj tkd&`ne kout socjth`ne totkddy g`ffjrjnt hjn you ejt `nto thj mrk-`ne!

"! 1&ky! jdd, you jxpdk`n `t!

K! ]o you'rj tk&`ne thj grue, `t `ngs to thkt skcj rjmjptor, kng == ho to jxpdk`n th`s thout ejtt`ne`nto k dot of gjtk`d ==

"! jdd, ckyj you mkn stkrt off y jxpdk`n`ne hkt k rjmjptor `s!

K! jdd, k rjmjptor `s hjrj k grue hks `ts kmtòn tk&j pdkmj! ]o thj grue mocjs `n == sky th`s `s krjmjptor (`ng`mkt`ne)! hj grue mocjs `n kng `ngs to thkt rjmjptor, mhjc`mkddy `ngs to thkt rjmjptor!hjn `t gojs, thjrj `s k hodj mksmkgj of mhjc`mkd j-jnts thkt ommur, kng thkt mksmkgj of mhjc`mkdj-jnts rjsudts `n thj jffjmt of thj grue! ]o `n orgjr for thj grue to hk-j `ts jffjmt, hktj-jr thkt jffjmt `s== hjthjr `t's k hypjrtjnsòn grue, hjthjr `t's k grue to trjkt jp`djpsy, hktj-jr == `t hks to `ng tosocj rjmjptor `n orgjr to ejt thkt kmtòn to ommur!

"! ]o no you hk-j k pjrson ho's tk&`ne 1pò`gs == %'c k d`ttdj out of orgjr `th cy 1p`ktjs! ;ut djt'ssky `t's kn opò`g grue, d`&j $jcjrod or socjth`ne, kng hjn thkt $jcjrod eojs `nto thj`r ogy, gojs `t`ng `th socj rjmjptor `n thj ogy

K! +js! hj $jcjrod oudg `ng to thkt opò`g rjmjptor!

"! Kng thjn hkt s $jcjrod usjg for

K! Yk`n!

"! 7or pk`n! 1&ky! Kng so thjn gojs thkt hk-j thj jffjmt of gudd`ne thj pk`n for k pjrson

K! +js!

"! No, `f thj pjrson gojsn't knt to tk&j $jcjrod knycorj, kng thjy tk&j th`s grue ]uoxonj, hkthkppjns

K! jdd, `f thjy tk&j thj grue ]uoxonj, `t `ngs to thkt skcj rjmjptor! Kng so `t ks`mkddy hks k s`c`dkrkmtòn, kng thj pjrson on't eo throueh `thgrkkd! % cjkn, `f you == `f socjonj `s gjpjngjnt, kng youprjm`p`tousdy stop thj $jcjrod or hktj-jr thjy'rj tk&`ne, `t's sort of d`&j fkdd`ne off k md`ff! +ou :ust eo`nto `thgrkkd! Kng you gon't knt thkt to hkppjn, jmkusj `t's -jry unmocfortkdj, jspjm`kddy forsocjogy ho `s gjpjngjnt kng ejtt`ne thj grue for k cjg`mkd rjkson! ]o you j`thjr erkgukddy`thgrk thj grue thkt thjy'rj tk&`ne, sumh ks thj $jcjrod, or you put thjc on k donejr=kmt`ne gruethkt `ngs to thj skcj rjmjptor thkt pro-`gjs k scooth `thgrkkd! Kng you erkgukddy `thgrk thktgrue, kng `t pro-`gjs k scoothjr `thgrkkd! 6s`ne k done=kmt`ne grue `s jttjr thkn us`ne k short=kmt`ne grue!

"! No, so you todg us hkt ]uoxonj `s, kng thkt montk`ns == onj of thj grues `t montk`ns `s socjth`nemkddjg ;uprjnorph`nj! Kng % gon't th`n& j hk-j to sky corj, ut `s socjt`cjs ;uprjnorph`nj kdso


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usjg kdonj for `thgrk`ne pjopdj

K! +js! hjrj krj kmtukddy to progumts on thj ckr&jt, ]uoxonj kng ]uutjx! ]uoxonj montk`ns;uprjnorph`nj kng Nkdoxonj! ]uutjx `s :ust ;uprjnorph`nj! Kng thjrj krj no ejnjr`m grues on thjckr&jt!

"! Kng `s thjrj kdso k grue mkddjg Nkdtrjxonj

K! +js!

"! hkt `s Nkdtrjxonj

K! Nkdtrjxonj, kmtukddy, `s s`c`dkr to thj Nkdoxonj thkt `s `n thj ]uoxonj! %t `s k nkrmot`m kntkeon`st!]o hkt hkppjns `s, `f you hk-j, djt's sky, kn opò`g on thj rjmjptor, thj nkrmot`m kntkeon`st &nom&s `toff thj rjmjptor! Kng hjn `t &nom&s `t off thj rjmjptor, `t mkn mkusj `thgrkkd, ut thj othjr jffjmt `s,`t `ngs -jry tèhtdy to thkt rjmjptor! Kng thjn `f you thjn tk&j kn opò`g, d`&j $jcjrod or corph`nj orsocjth`ne jdsj, `t prj-jnts `t froc `ng`ne to thkt rjmjptor, jmkusj `t hks, us`ne k fknmy org, `t hkserjktjr kff`n`ty for thj rjmjptor thkn thj othjr 1pò`gs go so thjy mkn't `ng to `t! ]o you gon't ejt thktopò`g jffjmt!

"! ]o `f thj pjrson tk&js Nkdtrjxonj kng thjn tk&js kn opò`g grue, thjy `dd == jssjnt`kddy, thj opò`g`s not eo`ne to or&

K! hjy'rj not eo`ne to fjjd knyth`ne! %t's d`&j thjy jrj tk&`ne ktjr!

"! Kng g`g thjy hk-j kdso `cpdknts k-k`dkdj `n .//9 kng jforj `th Nkdtrjxonj

K! hjrj krj pjopdj ho hk-j hkg `cpdknts mocpoungjg, ut thjy krj not kppro-jg y thj 7$K!

"! Kng go socj pjopdj usj thjc off=dkjd for trjkt`ne `thgrkkd

K! Not trjkt`ne `thgrkkd ut trjkt`ne opò`g gjpjngjnmj to prj-jnt thj pjrson froc eo`ne km& onthj grue! ]o `t oudg dom&!

"! Kng thjn thjrj's kdso k grue, % th`n& prokdy j-jryogy hks hjkrg kout, mkddjg Cjthkgonj

K! +js!

"! hkt gojs Cjthkgonj go

K! jdd, Cjthkgonj `s kn opò`g grue, kek`n! %t `s usjg for pk`n kng kdso for trjktcjnt of opò`gkgg`mtòn! Kng thj kg-kntkej thkt Cjthkgonj hks, `t's -jry done=kmt`ne so thkt you ondy hk-j to e`-j `tonmj k gky! Kng thj skcj `s truj for thj ;uprjnorph`nj2 `t's done=kmt`ne! Kng Cjthkgonj `s usjg for`thgrkkd, kdso!

"! No, `n gjpjngjnmy hjn trjkt`ne k pjrson thkt s grue gjpjngjnt, hkt `s thj cost `cportkntfkmtor `n gjtjrc`n`ne `f thj pjrson mkn or shoudg eo off thj grue

K! jdd, `f k grue `s grue gjpjngjnt, hkt you knt to go `s f`ng out hkt thj ungjrdy`ne cjg`mkd


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prodjc `s thkt rj5u`rjg thjc to tk&j hktj-jr grue thjy'rj gjpjngjnt on `n thj f`rst pdkmj! Kng youknt to ck&j surj thkt `f you'rj eo`ne to tk&j thjc off thj grue, you try to jffjmt`-jdy trjkt hktj-jrthj ungjrdy`ne prodjc `s!

"! No, krj thjrj pjopdj ho mkn't eo off grues jmkusj thj ungjrdy`ne prodjc `s pjrs`stjnt

K! +js!

"! Kng hkt hkppjns `th thosj 7or jxkcpdj, hkt `f k pjrson hks mhron`m ostjokrthr`t`s, pk`nfudostjokrthr`t`s

K! hjy cky rjck`n on kn opò`g for thj rjst of thj`r d`-js!

"! hkt kout mhron`m km& pk`n

K! hjy cky hk-j to go thkt, too, f `t's not trjktkdj `th othjr cjthogs!

"! %s thjrj knyth`ne mons`gjrjg `nkppropr`ktj, cjg`mkddy, kout &jjp`ne k pjrson on kn opò`g ungjrcjg`mkd supjr-`sòn for d`fj

K! No!

"! %s thjrj kny hjkdth rkc`f`mktòns of `t %n othjr orgs, `s thjrj knyth`ne thkt hurts thj`r ogy to jon kn opò`g ungjr cjg`mkd supjr-`sòn for d`fj

K! No!

"! *kn pjopdj funmtòn hjn thjy krj on opò`g cjg`mktòns

K! +js!

"! Kng thjy funmtòn ks jdd ks thjy moudg `thout tk&`ne opò`g cjg`mktòns

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! 8keuj!

"! 6ngjr socj m`rmucstknmjs

Lug'j& hkt ks thj 5ujstòn

"r. Bo#$o%%& %t skys, ungjr socj m`rmucstknmjs, mkn pjopdj funmtòn ks jdd on opò`g cjg`mktònsks hjn thjy'rj not on opò`g cjg`mktòns

Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg!

"r. ]mhnodd& %f k pjrson, sky, ks kn ungjrdy`ne pk`nfud mong`tòn, kng thjy tk&j thj opò`g to trjkt thktpk`nfud mong`tòn, `n fkmt thjy cèht pjrforc jttjr ungjr thj opò`g jmkusj `t `dd hk-j rjgumjg thj


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pk`n h`mh moudg j mkus`ne prodjcs for thjc!

"! Kng gojs j`ne on thj opò`g ungjr propjr mocpjtjnt kng f`t cjg`mkd supjr- sòn, gojs thkt `cpk`rk pjrson's k`d`ty to funmtòn ks k fudd=funmtòn`ne huckn j`ne

K! No!

"! %s thjrj kny fkcous pjopdj ho hk-j jjn opò`g gjpjngjnt o-jr ckny yjkrs

K! +js!

"! #`-j cj kn jxkcpdj!

K! 0ohn 7!


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K! +js!

"! Kng hkt `s thj pr`ckry fkmtor `n gjtjrc`n`ne hjthjr onj pjrson jmocjs kgg`mtjg kng knothjrpjrson gojsn't hkt's thj cost `cportknt gjtjrc`n`ne fkmtor

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! Ks&jg kng knsjrjg!

Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg!

"r. ]mhnodd&hj cost `cportknt fkmtor `s ejnjt`ms!

"! Kng `n trjkt`ne k pjrson for kgg`mtòn, mkn you tjdd cj hjthjr or not `t's kdso `cportknt togjtjrc`nj thj ungjrdy`ne mkusj for thj kgg`mtòn

K! +ou try! +js, of moursj!

"! Kng mkn kgg`mtòn kdso j trjktjg y mocpjtjnt kng f`t cjg`mkd pjopdj on kn oneo`ne ks s

K! +js!

"! Krj thjrj pjopdj == 5ujstòn `thgrkn! No, j tkd&jg k d`ttdj `t kout 1pò`gs kng 1p`ktjs! No,f`rst, % gon't &no `f % ks&jg you th`s yjt, ut hkt's thj g`ffjrjnmj jtjjn kn opò`g kng kn op`ktj

K! Kn op`ktj `s k grue thkt `s gjr`-jg froc thj poppy, thj opùc poppy! Kng thjrj's k mhjc`mkd `n thjopùc poppy mkddjg thj ;k`nj! Kng thkt `s thj mhjc`mkd thkt k dot of 1p`ktjs == thkt's thj ks`s for thjgj-jdopcjnt of k dot of 1p`ktjs! 1pò`gs krj synthjt`m progumts thkt krj not gjr`-jg froc thj opùcpoppy thkt hk-j thj skcj jffjmt ks kn op`ktj!

"! Kng krj thjrj k dot of g`ffjrjnt grues thkt montk`n == thkt krj j`thjr 1p`ktjs or 1pò`gs thkt krj usjg`n cjg`m`nj

K! +js!

"! %s thjrj socj grues, d`&j hjro`n j hjkr kout, `s thkt kn op`ktj grue

K! +js!

"! %s thkt usjg `n cjg`m`nj on k rjeudkr ks`s

K! %t `s not murrjntdy usjg `n thj 6n`tjg ]tktjs for cjg`mkd purposjs!

"! Kng hkt `s thj pr`ckry usj of op`ktj kng opò`g grues n eoog cjg`mkd prkmt`mj

K! hj pr`ckry usj `s for thj trjktcjnt of pk`n!

"! Yk`n


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K! Yk`n!

"! Kng ho moccon `s thj usj of 1p`ktjs kng opò`g grues `n thj trjktcjnt of pk`n

K! 8jry moccon!

"! %s thjrj kny grue for thj usj of sj-jrj pk`n thkt's usjg corj moccondy thkn op`ktj grues

K! No!

"! Kng `s $jcjrod onj of thj opò`g grues

K! +js!

"! %n othjr orgs, `s thkt k synthjt`m rkthjr thkn k nkturkd op`ktj

K! hkt `s k synthjt`m!

"! Kng `f thj pjrson `s j`ne trjktjg on kn oneo`ne ks`s ungjr eoog cjg`mkd prkmt`mj `th op`ktj kngopò`g grues, go thjy jmocj socjt`cjs grue gjpjngjnt

K! +js!

"! %s thkt thj jxmjptòn or s thkt thj rudj, thkt thjy jmocj grue gjpjngjnt hjn thjy'rj on done=tjrcop`ktj trjktcjnt

K! %f thjy'rj on done=tjrc opò`g or op`ktj trjktcjnt, thjy `dd jmocj gjpjngjnt!

"! Kng so `n sp`tj of th`s, `s th`s grue usjg -jry moccondy

K! +js!

"! %s `t thj cost moccondy=usjg grue for pk`n

K! 1pò`gs krj thj cost moccondy prjsmr`jg grues `n thj 6n`tjg ]tktjs!

"! Yjròg

K! Yjròg!

"! 1pò`gs krj thj cost moccondy prjsmr`jg grues `n thj 6n`tjg ]tktjs

K! *orrjmt!

"! $o socj pjopdj ho ejt trjktjg th opò`g grues jmocj kgg`mtjg

K! +js!

"! Kng `s thkt k dkrej pjrmjntkej of thj pjopdj ho tk&j thj grues or not


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K! %t's not k dkrej pjrmjnt!

"! hkt `s thj kpprox`cktj pjrmjntkej, `f thjrj `s kny eoog gktk on thkt

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! *kdds for spjmudktòn!

Lug'j& jdd, hj cky &no! j's kn jxpjrt `n thj f`jdg! ;ut you mkn dky k d ttdj foungktòn for thkt!

"! Krj you fkc`d`kr `th thj stkt`st`ms on kgg`mtòn

K! +js!

"! k-j you jjn go`ne th`s for your jnt`rj d`fj, gjkd`ne `th kgg`mtòn `ssujs kng thj kgg`mt`-jpropjrt`js of grues

K! 7or thj ck:or`ty of cy profjssònkd mkrjjr, yjs!

"! Kng `s thjrj kny pkrt`mudkr grue thkt == grue mdkss thkt you hk-j monmjntrktjg thj 4/, 3/ yjkrs ofyour mkrjjr on

K! 1p`ktjs kng 1pò`gs!

"! $o you kg-`sj grue mocpkn`js on thj jffjmts of 1p`ktjs kng 1pò`gs

K! +js!

"! $o you kg-`sj ck:or grue mocpkn`js n thj 6n`tjg ]tktjs on thj jffjmts of 1p`ktjs kng 1pò`gs

K! +js!

"! %s Y`nnjy kssom`ktjs mons`gjrjg onj of thj prjc`jr monsudtktòn f`rcs `n thj 6n`tjg ]tktjs to kg-`sjgrue mocpkn`js on thj jffjmts of == on thj kgg`mt`-j propjrt`js of thj`r grues

K! +js!

"! Krj you fkc`d`kr on kn oneo`ne ks`s `th thj ordg's d`tjrkturj monmjrn`ne thj kgg`mtòn of 1p`ktjskng op`ktj grues

K! +js!

"! No, mkn you tjdd cj, ho moccon `s `t for k pjrson ho `s rjmj`-`ne 1p`ktjs kng opò`g grues onkn oneo`ne ks`s to jmocj kgg`mtjg to thosj

K! hj fèurjs `ng`mktj thkt ckyj kroung >/ to >. pjrmjnt!

"! Kng ho gojs thkt mocpkrj to othjr progumts, sumh ks kdmohod


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K! %t's kpprox`cktjdy thj skcj pjrmjntkej!

"! ]ocj pjopdj mkn hk-j k gr`n& of kdmohod or mkn't go `t2 `s thkt rèht

K! hkt's morrjmt!

"! Kng `s thkt thj skcj `th 1p`ktjs kng 1pò`gs

K! +js!

"! No, you cjntònjg, s`r, thkt thjsj grues krj usjg `n thj trjktcjnt of pk`n! Kng `s thjrj sumh kth`ne ks k pk`n == % th`n& you rushjg on th`s jkrd`jr yjstjrgky, ut `s thjrj sumh k th`ne ks k pk`nthrjshodg

K! +js!

"! hkt `s k pk`n thrjshodg

K! K pk`n thrjshodg `s thj dj-jd of pk`n kt h`mh socjogy `s fjjd`ne sèn`f`mknt g`smocfort!

"! Kng ho -kr`kdj froc pjrson to pjrson krj pk`n thrjshodgs

K! "u`tj -kr`kdj!

"! Kng % th`n& yjstjrgky you sk`g thjrj's k smkdj of k == thjy usj for cjksur`ne pk`n, > throueh >/

K! +js! hjrj's hkt thjy mkdd k -`sukd knkdoe smkdj! Kng thjy mkn eo froc / to >// or / to >/! Kngthjn you ks& k pjrson on thkt smkdj, `th / j`ne thj ksjnmj of pk`n, kng >/ or >//, gjpjng`ne on hodkrej thj smkdj `s, oudg j thj cost sj-jrj pk`n thjy mkn `cke`nj! Kng thjn thjy `dd ckr& on thktsmkdj or tjdd you, ?Cy pk`n `s? == djt's sky `t's thj / to >/ smkdj! hjy'dd sky, ?Cy pk`n `s k I,? or ?cypk`n `s k 9 or >/,? or ?Cy pk`n `s k .!?

"! Kng hjn k pjrson `s gjsmr``ne op`ktj or opò`g grues to trjkt pk`n, ho go thjy t`trktj == you usjgthj org t`trktj yjstjrgky == or mkd`rktj thj kcount of grue to usj

K! jdd, you usukddy stkrt off `th k do gosj! Kng `f % mkn e`-j kn jxkcpdj! jt's sky socjogy stkrtsoff, thjy'dd mocj `n to sjj k phys`m`kn, or sjj cj, kng thjy'dd sky, ?cy pk`n `s k 9!? kng thjn % `dd stkrt`th k rjdkt`-jdy do gosj of thj opò`g kng stkrt to `nmrjksj thj gosj! Kng jkmh t`cj % sjj thjc, h`mh,hjn % oudg stkrt to sjj k pkt`jnt `n`t`kddy, oudg j -jry frj5ujntdy! Kng %'g sky, ?1&ky! +our pk`nstkrtjg kt k 9! hjrj `s `t togky? kng djt's sky thjy sky, ?%t's st`dd k 9!? jdd, of moursj % &no %'c notknyhjrj njkr hjrj % hk-j to eo! ;ut `f thjy sky ?Cy pk`n `s k I,? thjn % &no thj grue `s stkrt`ne tokffjmt thj`r pk`n! Kng knothjr 5ujstòn % kdkys ks& pjopdj hjn thjy mocj `n for pk`n trjktcjnt `s,hkt `s k dj-jd thkt you mkn todjrktj, h`mh oudg j thkt pk`n thrjshodg hjrj thj pk`n jmocjs kprodjc! ]o djt's sky thj pjrson mkcj `n kng sk`g ?cy pk`n `s k 9,? kng thjy moudg todjrktj k 4! ]o hkt% oudg go oudg j to t`trktj thkt cjg`mktòn! ;r`ne `t up unt`d % ks kdj to r`ne thkt pk`n gon to k4, h`mh oudg j thj todjrkdj dj-jd for thkt pjrson! Kng socjt`cjs thkt hkppjns 5u`m&dy, kngsocjt`cjs `t oudg tk&j k fk`r kcount of t`cj to go thkt!


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"! $omtor, `n == % knt to :ust eo km& to onj th`ne you sk`g kout thj kgg`mtòn potjnt`kd of op`ktj kngopò`g grues! %f >/ to >. pjrmjnt of pjopdj mkn jmocj kgg`mtjg, hy `s `t so moccondy usjg hy `s`t, ks you sk`g, thj cost popudkr grue prjsmr`jg `n Kcjr`mk, 1p`ktjs kng 1pò`gs

K! jdd, jmkusj thjy'rj jffjmt`-j! hjy or&! Kng, ks % sk`g, pk`n `s thj cost moccon sycptoc thktr`nes pjopdj `nto k gomtor's off`mj!

"! Kng o-jr thj dkst >/ yjkrs, hk-j thjrj jjn socj nj grues thkt hk-j jjn kdso foung to jjffjmt`-j `n thj trjktcjnt of pk`n

K! +js!

"! hkt krj non=op`ktj kng opò`g

K! +js!

"! hkt &`ngs of grues krj thjy

K! Knt`gjprjssknt grues2 knt`=sjÀurj grues hk-j jjn foung to j jffjmt`-j for mjrtk`n &`ngs of pk`n!

"! 1&ky! No, gomtor, jkrd`jr you cjntònjg thkt you rj-`jjg thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs of C`mhkjd0km&son2 `s thkt morrjmt

K! +js!

"! Kng thjy jrj kdd of thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs thkt $r! Jkrdjy rjd`jg upon `n ck&`ne h`s monmdusòns

K! *orrjmt!

"! Kng `n kgg`tòn to thkt, you rj-`jjg thj gjpos`tòns of thj `tnjssjs thkt $r! Jkrdjy rjd`jg upon `nrjkmh`ne h`s monmdusòns2 `s thkt morrjmt

K! +js!

"! Kng `n kgg`tòn to thkt, you rj-`jjg thj kutopsy rjmorgs, thj pod`mj f`djs monmjrn`ne th`s mksj2 `sthkt morrjmt

K! +js!

"! % knt to ks& you socj 5ujstòns kout C`mhkjd 0km&son's usj of opò`g grues! hj rjmorgs thkt yousk, % knt to je`n `n thj yjkr >994! Kng kt thkt yjkr, g`g you rj-`j C`mhkjd 0km&son's stktjcjnt thkthj hkg fjdt thkt hj hkg k grue prodjc

K! +js!

"! j usjg thj tjrc ?kgg`mtòn,? `n fkmt, g`gn't hj

K! +js! +js, hj g`g!


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"! Kng thkt hj ks eo`ne to try to j trjktjg for thkt prodjc

K! +js!

"! $`g you sjj thkt 7roc >994 == g`g you rj-`j kdd of thj rjmorgs froc >994 unt`d thj t`cj of h`sgjkth, .//9, monmjrn`ne h`s usj of op`ktj kng opò`g grues


Lug'j& jdd, kdd thkt jrj k-k`dkdj, % supposj!

"#. Mkhkn& hkt ksn't thj 5ujstòn!

"r. Bo#$o%%& +js! Kdd thkt jrj k-k`dkdj!

"r. ]mhnodd&+js!

"! No, f`rst, % knt to ks& you kout thj pjròg froc >994 to >99I! %s thjrj knyth`ne `n kny cjg`mkdrjmorgs, gjpos`tòns, pod`mj rjport, `tnjssjs' stktjcjnts thkt skys thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son usjg kny op`ktjgrues jtjjn No-jcjr of >994 unt`d $jmjcjr of >99I $`g you sjj kny cjntòn of kny op`ktjgrues kt kdd

K! No, % g`g not!

"! hjn, `n >99I `s thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son g`g usj $jcjrod kt thkt t`cj for k promjgurj7or kgjntkd promjgurj

"#. Mkhkn&1:jmtòn! h`s `s hjkrsky!

"! jdd, g`g hj hk-j grues `n >99I

"r. Bo#$o%%& j mkn usj hjkrsky!

"r. (oydj& j's kn jxpjrt!

"#. Mkhkn& j mkn rjdy on hjkrsky `n offjr`ne kn op`nòn, ut hj mkn't rjpud`sh thkt hjkrsky! Kngthosj rjmorgs krj not `n j-`gjnmj!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn


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Lug'j& 1&ky! Mjphrksj!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn of hkt thj $jcjrod ks usjg for `n >99I

"#. Mkhkn& ]kcj o:jmtòn, your honor!

Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg!

K! +js!

"! hkt ks t for

K! %t ks for trjktcjnt of socj promjgurjs hj ks hk-`ne!

"! Kng froc >99I to 7jrukry .//>, g`g hj mont`nuj to usj $jcjrod `n thj moursj of promjgurjs thktjrj pjrforcjg gur`ne thkt pjròg of t`cj

K! +js!

"! Kng thjn `n >9= == `s thjrj kny j-`gjnmj froc kny `tnjss froc kny gjpos`tòn thkt hj usjg $jcjrodouts`gj of thj cjg`mkd sjtt`ne

K! No!

"! Kng `n thj pjròg of t`cj jforj .//>, g`g hj thjn == g`g hj usj $jcjrod on k nucjr of ommksònskt thkt po`nt

K! *oudg you rjpjkt thkt, pdjksj

"! +js! %n thj pjròg of t`cj `n thj to yjkrs :ust jforj .//>, g`g hj usj $jcjrod for trjktcjnts

K! % gon't th`n& so! % th`n& thjrj ks ==

"! ks thkt thj pjròg of t`cj hjn hj hkg thj smkdp

K! jdd, `f hj hkg thj smkdp, yjs!

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! *kdds for hjkrsky!

Lug'j& odg on!

"r. Bo#$o%%& % ks == `thgrk thj 5ujstòn!


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"! ks thjrj k pjròg of t`cj hjn C`mhkjd 0km&son usjg $jcjrod for smkdp surejry

K! +js!

"#. Mkhkn& ]kcj o:jmtòn!

Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg!

"! Kng g`g you rj-`j thj rjmorgs of k $r! 7krshmh`kn

K! +js!

"! Kng kpprox`cktjdy hjn g`g $r! 7krshmh`kn trjkt C`mhkjd 0km&son

K! %t ks jkrdy .///s! % th`n& t ks .//.!

"! Kng g`g hj trjkt == kng hkt ks thj trjktcjnt $r! 7krshmh`kn kgc`n`stjrjg to C`mhkjd 0km&son

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! *kdds for hjkrsky!

Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg!

K! j put k Nkdtrjxonj `cpdknt `nto h`s kgocjn!

"! No, k Nkdtrjxonj `cpdknt `s onj of thj gj-`mjs you cjntònjg jkrd`jr thkt `s usjg == jdd, hkt's ==hkt ks hj us`ne `t for, $r! 7krshmh`kn

K! $r! 7krshmh`kn ks us`ne thj Nkdtrjxonj ks k nkrmot`m kntkeon`st to dom& thj jffjmts of 1pò`gs! ]o`f thj Nkdtrjxonj `cpdknt ks `n pdkmj, kng C`mhkjd too& kny opò`g, `t oudg dom& thj jffjmts of thktopò`g so thkt opò`g oudg not hk-j kny jffjmt on h`c! j oudgn't fjjd knyth`ne!

"! Kng g`g hj usj sj-jrkd of thosj Nkdtrjxonj `cpdknts o-jr thj njxt sj-jrkd conths

K! +js!

"! Kng kmmorg`ne to thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs, gjpos tòns, `tnjssjs, pod`mj rjport, j-jryth`ne jdsj yourjd`jg upon, g`g C`mhkjd 0km&son tk&j kny 1pò`gs or op`ktj cjg`mktòns kftjr thkt t`cj `n .//4 unt`dthj yjkr .//G

K! % gon't rjmkdd h`c us`ne kny! % gon't rjmkdd h`c us`ne kny!

"! ;ksjg on your rj-`j of thj rjmorgs, g`g you sjj kny `ng`mktòn thkt hj g`g usj kny 1pò`gs gur`nethkt pjròg of t`cj

K! % gon't th`n& hj g`g!


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"! No, hjn you == ks you rj-`jjg thj rjmorgs `n thj mksj == 5ujstòn `thgrkn! ]o ksjg on thjcjg`mkd rjmorgs, thj gjpos`tòns o-jr thj dkst > yjkrs of C`mhkjd 0km&son's d`fj, ks hj $jcjrod frjj,grue frjj, for rouehdy >4 >F. out of > yjkrs

K! +js!


Lug'j& jdd, yjkh!

"#. Mkhkn& hj rjmorgs krj rjkddy spotty, your honor!

"r. Bo#$o%%& jdd, %'c eo`ne to o:jmt to spjk&`ne o:jmtòns!

Lug'j& ]ustk`njg!

"r. Bo#$o%%& h`s `s ksjg on thj rjmorgs!

Lug'j& Kng gjf`nj == hkt t`cj pjrògs krj you tkd&`ne kout

"r. Bo#$o%%& h`s `s ksjg on thj rjmorgs froc >994 to thj yjkr .//9, up unt`d, kmtukddy, thj yjkr.//G, up unt`d hj jnt to trjkt `th $r!


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"! Kng hj sk`g hj ks eo`ne to g`j jkrdy froc k grue kgg`mtòn

Lug'j& $`g you sjj thkt tjst`cony or rjkg thkt tjst`cony

"! $`g you rjkg thkt tjst`cony

K! +js, % g`g! % thoueht % hkg knsjrjg!

"! $o you kerjj `th thkt op`nòn

K! No, % gon't!

"! $omtor, ksjg on your rj-`j of thj rjmorgs `n th`s mksj kng thj gjpos`tòns == kdd of thj k-k`dkdjrjmorgs == no, thjrj cky j rjmorgs j gon't &no kout2 `s thkt rèht

K! % gon't &no!

"! ;y gjf`n`tòn, you gon't &no kout thjc f you gon't &no kout thjc!

K! Mèht!

"! ;ut ksjg on kdd thj rjmorgs thkt j hk-j, kng thj gjpos`tòns of thj `tnjssjs thkt you rj-`jjg, `sthjrj == hk-j you sjjn kny j-`gjnmj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son j-jr too& kny typj of cjg`mktòns `thoutthjc j`ne prjsmr`jg y k gomtor

K! No!

"! k-j == or k hjkdth mkrj pro-`gjr

K! No!

"! k-j you sjjn kny j-`gjnmj `n kdd of thj rjmorgs you rj-`jjg thkt hj j-jr too& rjmrjktònkd grues

K! No!

"! k-j you sjjn kny j-`gjnmj `n kdd of thj rjmorgs thkt you rj-`jjg kng thkt thj gjfjnsj jxpjrt,kppkrjntdy, rj-`jjg thkt hj j-jr sjdf=`n:jmtjg `n thj ksjnmj of k gomtor ==

K! No!

"! == kny grues

K! No!

"! Kng thj `n:jmtkdj grues, ksjg on thj j-`gjnmj H


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Lug'j& odg on! *kn you tjdd us hkt k rjmrjktònkd grue `s ks opposjg to othjr grues

"r. ]mhnodd& K rjmrjktònkd grue cèht j ckr`:uknk, or socjogy eo`ne to k pkrty kng tk&`ne k p`dd ktk pkrty to ejt hèh!

Lug'j& ]ocjth`ne non=prjsmr`jg

"r. ]mhnodd& ]ocjth`ne thkt's not prjsmr`jg for thkt pjrson!

"! Kng oudg rjmrjktònkd grues j tk&jn for purposjs of thj pjrson ejtt`ne hèh or to ejt socj sort ofjffjmt froc thj grue ondy

K! hkt's hy thjy oudg tk&j `t, to ejt hèh!

"! %s momk`nj k rjmrjktònkd grue

K! *omk`nj!

"! %s thjrj kny j-`gjnmj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son j-jr too& momk`nj

K! No!

"! %s thjrj kny j-`gjnmj thkt hj j-jr too& hjro`n

K! No!

"! $`g you sjj == g`g C`mhkjd 0km&son j-jr sjdf=kgc`n`stjr `n:jmtkdj grues `n thj ksjnmj of kcjg`mkd pjrson j`ne on thj smjnj


"! ;ksjg on thj rjmorgs you'-j sjjn

Lug'j& 1&ky! ;ksjg on thj rjmorgs! +ou cky knsjr!

"r. ]mhnodd&No!

"! $`g kny `tnjss hosj gjpos`t on you rjkg j-jr kmmusj h`c of thkt

K! No!

"! ;y thj ky, j'rj eo`ne to ks& you kout `t dktjr, ut ks thjrj onj ommksòn hjn socjogy sk`g


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hj ks `th k gomtor, kng hj kmtukddy ks&jg thj gomtor `f hj moudg usj thj njjgdj

K! +js!

"! 1&ky! hkt ks `n thj prjsjnmj of cjg`mkd pjrsonnjd

K! +js!

"! Ks`gj froc thkt, ks thjrj kny j-`gjnmj thkt hj j-jr usjg `n:jmtkdj grues outs`gj of k cjg`mkdsjtt`ne

K! No!

"! %s thjrj kny j-`gjnmj ks to hkt C`mhkjd 0km&son's == thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son ks kfrk`g of njjgdjs

K! +js!

"! Kng ks thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt hj j-jr too& cjg`mktòns `n jxmjss of thj kcount prjsmr`jg y thjgomtors

K! No!

"! %s thjrj kny j-`gjnmj hj j-jr too& kny grue for thj purposj of ejtt`ne hèh

K! hjrj ks onj jp`sogj gjsmr`jg hjn hj eot grun&, so thkt ks onj jp`sogj!

"! Kng go you &no of kny othjr Kng hjn ks thkt jp`sogj ks thkt ==

K! hkt ks hjn thjy knnounmjg or ejtt`ne rjkgy to knnounmj thj th`s `s t tour!

"! Kng ks`gj froc thkt, ks thjrj kny j-`gjnmj thkt hj j-jr too& kny grue `nkppropr`ktjdy

K! No!

"! %s thkt jhk-òr mons`stjnt `th k pjrson ho `s k grue kgg`mt ho `s eo`ne to g`j jkrdy froc gruekgg`mtòn

K! No!

"! No, you cjntònjg thj t`cj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son sk`g thkt hj hkg k grue prodjc kng thkt hj kseo`ne to eo `nto trjktcjnt to ejt jttjr2 `s thkt rèht

K! +js!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn, f`rst of kdd, ks to hjthjr hj ks k pjrson ho kntjg to j k grue kgg`mtor not grue=gjpjngjnt pjrson or not

K! ]`nmj hj ks eo`ne `nto trjktcjnt, % mkn ondy kssucj hj g`g not knt to j k grue=gjpjngjntpjrson!


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"! Kng go you th`n& thkt pròr to thkt t`cj == go you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr hj ks prokdy ktthkt t`cj grue gjpjngjnt

K! j prokdy ks grue gjpjngjnt kt thkt po`nt! *oudg hk-j jjn!

"! Kng, y thj ky, pròr to thkt t`cj == th`s `s eo`ne km& `nto thj 'G/s == krj you fkc`d`kr th ksèn`f`mknt `n:ury thkt hj suffjrjg

K! jdd, hj hkg thj smkdp `n:ury, thj urn! % th`n& `t ks `n k Yjps` moccjrm`kd thkt hj ks f`dc`ne!

"! Kng foddo`ne thkt, o-jr thj njxt sj-jrkd yjkrs, ks thjrj trjktcjnt kng surejry for thkt urn

K! +js!

"! Kng g`g hj hk-j nkrmot`m grues, op`ktj grues `n monnjmtòn `th thosj trjktcjnts

K! +js!

"! Kng ks `t kftjr thkt thkt hj soueht trjktcjnt kftjr thj smkdp surejry kng thj $knejrous tour thkt hjsoueht trjktcjnt for h`s gjpjngjnmy

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! 8keuj! hjrj jrj cudt`pdj surejr`js o-jr k nucjr of yjkrs!

Lug'j& ks `t kftjr ==

"r. Bo#$o%%& Kftjr thj == jdd, o&ky! %'dd tk&j `t stjp y stjp!

"! Yròr to thj $knejrous tour, `n thj -jry je`nn`ne of `t, g`g hj hk-j smkdp surejry

K! +js!

"! Kng hkt &`ng of surejry == tjdd thj :ury k d`ttdj `t kout hkt thkt surejry ks for!

K! jdd, thkt surejry ks to rjpk`r thj gkckej to h`s smkdp! hjrj ks socj montrkmtòns, kng so thjy`nsjrtjg k kddoon ungjr thj smkdp to strjtmh thj smkdp km& to k norckd monfèurktòn kng rjco-j thjsmkr t`ssuj!

"! Kng g`g you == ksjg on your rj-`j of thj rjmorgs, your


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njurock! Kng thkt `s jxm`tkdj t`ssuj, :ust d`&j thj njr-js! Kng so `t mkn j f`r`ne, :ust ks thj njr-j gojs,ut `t f`rjs `n kn knorckd ky! Kng so thkt mkn j -jry pk`nfud kng g`smonmjrt`ne to thj pjrson ho hksthkt njurock! Kng `t's oftjn sort of d`&j k urn`ne &`ng of pk`n! % eujss thj jst jxkcpdj oudg j, %th`n& cost pjopdj hk-j fkddjn ksdjjp on thj`r krc `n k funny pos`tòn, kng you k&j up kng hk-j thktt`ned`ne kng j-jryth`ne! jdd, thkt's hkt `t mkn j d`&j, ut `t's pjrs`stjnt! %t gojsn't eo kky! Kng kdso`t mkn j k shkrp shoot`ne &`ng of pk`n kt thj skcj t`cj! ]o `t's -jry unmocfortkdj kng onj of thj cost

g`ff`mudt &`ngs of pk`n to trjkt!

"! Kng thjrj krj 1pò`gs == kppropr`ktj grues to usj to trjkt k njurock, th`s typj of pk`n

K! hjy mkn j usjg for thkt, yjs!

"! Kng `n C`mhkjd 0km&son's mksj, jrj thjy

K! +js!

"! Kng, thjn, th`s `s :ust pròr to je`nn`ne thj $knejrous tour2 `s thkt rèht

K! +js!

"! Kng thjn thjy jnt on thj $knejrous tour! Kng g`g you rj-`j thj tjst`cony of $r! 7`n&jdstj`n

K! +js!

"! Kng gomtor == kng ksjg on thkt tjst`cony, g`g you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr C`mhkjd 0km&sonks rjmj`-`ne opò`g grues gur`ne thkt pjròg of t`cj

K! +js!

"! $ur`ne thj $knejrous tour

K! +js!

"! Kng `s `t foddo`ne thkt t`cj thkt hj jnt `nto == hj pud`mdy knnounmjg thkt hj fjdt hj hkg kprodjc `th thjsj grues kng kntjg to jmocj frjj of thjc

K! +js!

"! ;ksjg upon your rj-`j of thj cjg`mkd d`tjrkturj, thj mhkrts, thj gjpos`tòns, thj `n-jstèktòn, goyou hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr thj j-`gjnmj jstkd`shjs thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son ks k grue kgg`mt

K! +js, % go hk-j kn op`nòn!

"! hkt s thj op`nòn

K! hj op`nòn@ % gon't &no `f hj ks kn kgg`mt!

"! hjn you sky you gon't &no, hkt go you cjkn y thkt


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K! jdd, % hk-jn't sjjn kny j-`gjnmj thkt oudg e`-j cj thj `nforcktòn thkt oudg kddo cj to ck&jk g`kenos`s of kgg`mtòn!

"! %s thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt oudg kddo you to ck&j k g`kenos`s of h`s j`ne grue gjpjngjnt kt socjpjròg of t`cj

K! +js!

"! hkt j-`gjnmj `s dkm&`ne for mons`gjr`ne h`c to j k grue kgg`mt

K! %t oudg j tk&`ne grues hjn not prjsmr`jg y k cjg`mkd profjssònkd2 tk&`ne dkrejr kcounts thktjrj prjsmr`jg2 grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr2 tk&`ne grues thkt jrj not == jrj not prjsmr`jg for h`c!hosj &`ngs of jhk-òrs!

"! Kng hjn you tkd& kout ?grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr,? gojs thkt hk-j k -jry spjm`kd cjkn`ne for kphys`m`kn ho `s kn kgg`mtòn spjm`kd`st

K! +js!

"! Kng hkt `s grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr ]upposj % hk-j k hjkgkmhj, kng % eo to thj gomtor, kng % sky,?e`-j cj k grue!? `s thkt grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr

K! hkt moudg j grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr!

"! %s thkt thj &`ng of grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr thkt `s kn kgg`mt's grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr

K! No!

"! 1&ky! hkt `s thj g`ffjrjnmj

K! %f you'rj sjj&`ne k grue to trjkt k dje`t`cktj cjg`mkd prodjc, thkt's grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr, ut `t'snot `nkppropr`ktj kng not pkrt of kgg`mtòn! oj-jr, `f you'rj sjj&`ne grues outs`gj of k cjg`mkd njjg,thkt grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr `s `nkppropr`ktj kng mkn j pkrt of kgg`mtòn!

"! Kng `n C`mhkjd 0km&son's mksj, ks thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son hkg $jcjrod for trjktcjntof h`s km& pk`n

K! +js!

"! %s thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt hj hkg == thkt hj eot $jcjrod for trjktcjnt of h`s smkdp pk`n

K! +js!

"! %s thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt hj eot trjktcjnt for h`s == for h`s gjrcktodoe`m mong`tòn hjrj hj ks j`netrjktjg y k gjrcktodoe`st to ejt rjkgy for thjsj tours

K! +js!

"! Kng krj kdd of thosj == thj usj of $jcjrod, mkn $jcjrod j kn kppropr`ktj kejnt to usj ungjr thosj


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m`rmucstknmjs kt thkt pjròg of t`cj

K! +js!

"! ks thjrj kny j-`gjnmj thkt you sk thkt hj ks jnekejg `n thkt &`ng of grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr thktyou gjsmr`jg

K! h`mh typj krj you rjfjrr`ne to

"! hj kgg`mtòn typj of grue=sjj&`ne jhk-òr!

K! No!

"! ]o thkt thj == you cjntònjg thkt hj g`g froc t`cj to t`cj hk-j thjsj gjpjngjnm`js, thjsj topjrògs of t`cj hjrj hj jnt kng soueht trjktcjnt

K! +js!

"! ks thkt thj nkturj of h`s grue prodjc hkt hj oudg socjt`cjs ejt gjpjngjnt

K! +js!

"r. Bo#$o%%& %s th`s k eoog t`cj to rjk&, your honor

Lug'j& No! j stkrtjg kt >/@//! j mkn eo >E corj c`nutjs!

"r. Bo#$o%%& 1&ky!

"! $omtor, % knt to :ust ks& you r`jfdy kout knothjr typj of grue, kng thkt `s thj ;jnAog`kAjp`njs!Kng pjopdj hk-j hjkrg k dot kout thjc! Kng thosj krj usjg for sdjjp kng for hkt jdsj

K! 6sjg for sdjjp, knx`jty, sjgktòn!

"! Kng, kek`n, jrj thjrj t`cjs gur`ne thj moursj of th`s pjròg of t`cj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son g`g tk&j;jnAog`kAjp`njs

K! +js!

"! $`g hj tk&j thjc ks prjsmr`jg y k phys`m`kn

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn, mkdds for spjmudktòn!

"! ;ksjg on thj rjmorgs


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Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg! +ou cky knsjr!

K! +js!

"! $`g you sjj kny j-`gjnmj froc knyhjrj thkt hj too& thjc `n jxmjss of thj kcounts thj phys`m`kns

prjsmr`jg

K! No!

"! *kn pjopdj jmocj gjpjngjnt or kgg`mtjg to thjsj grues

K! +js!

"! Kng `s thjrj j-`gjnmj thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son j-jr jmkcj kgg`mtjg to ;jnAog`kAjp`njs

K! No!

"! hkt ks thj rjkson hy, ksjg on thj rjmorgs kng thj gjpos`t`ons thkt you rj-`jjg, hy C`mhkjd0km&son ks doo&`ne for thjsj or ks prjsmr`jg thjsj ;jnAog`kAjp`njs

K! jdd, hj ks prjsmr`jg k short=kmt`ne jnAog`kAjp`nj, c`gkAodkc, -jrsjg, ks pkrt of k promjgurj!Kng thkt's -jry moccon thkt c`gkAodkc `s usjg for short=tjrc promjgurjs, sumh ks moscjt`m surejry,gjntkd promjgurjs, short=tjrc sure`mkd == mkn kdso j usjg for done=tjrc sure`mkd promjgurjs!

"! Kng mkn == g`g hj kdso usj `t for sdjjp

K! +js!

"! %s thkt kn kppropr`ktj usj of k jnAog`kAjp`nj

K! +js!

"! ;ksjg on your rj-`j of thj rjmorgs of C`mhkjd 0km&son, g`g hj hk-j k sdjjp prodjc

K! +js!

"! Kng ks thkt k donestkng`ne onj

K! +js!

"! Kng ho == j'rj eo`ne to tkd& kout Yropofod `n k c`nutj, so djt's not eo thjrj yjt! ;ut ks`gj frocthj Yropofod , ho ks == hkt trjktcjnts jrj e`-jn for h`s sdjjp prodjc

K! j ks e`-jn ;jnAog`kAjp`njs! hjrj's kdso `ng`mkt`on thkt hj kt onj t`cj ks e`-jn Kc`jn forh`s sdjjp prodjc! Kng hj ks kdso todg kt onj po`nt to tk&j ydjnod pc for k sdjjp prodjc!

"! Kng, no, thjrj's knothjr grue j hjkrg k dot kout, h`mh `s Yropofod ! Kng krj you fkc`d`kr `ththj grue Yropofod


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K! +js!

"! k-j you trjktjg pkt`jnts ho jrj kgg`mtjg to Yropofod

K! +js!

"! Kng hk-j you rj-`jjg d`tjrkturj on Yropofod

K! +js!

"! %s thjrj knothjr nkcj thkt Yropofod `s kdso usjg ks

K! hj rkng nkcj `s $`pr`-kn!

"! 1&ky! ]o thkt's $`pr`-kn, so hjn j hjkr $`pr`-kn == g= =p=r=`=-=k=n == kng Yropofod , j'rjtkd&`ne kout thj skcj th`ne

K! *orrjmt!

"! 1&ky! hjrj's k mhkrt h`mh ks, ungjr your g`rjmtòn, j put toejthjr!

"r. Bo#$o%%& k-j you sjjn `t

"#. Mkhkn& +jkh! %t's hjkrsky! j o:jmt to `t!

"r. Bo#$o%%& k-j kny o:jmtòn to `t

"#. Mkhkn& +js! %t's hjkrsky! 1:jmt!

Lug'j& o thj usj of ==

"r. Bo#$o%%& hj mhkrt, h`mh `s eo`ne to j ks`mkddy thj succkry of thj usj of Yropofod ksjg onh`s op`nòn ksjg on thj rjmorgs thkt hj rj-`jjg!

Lug'j& %s thkt pkrt of thj ==

"#. Mkhkn& %t's ksjg on cjg`mkd rjmorgs not `n j-`gjnmj ks jdd ks thj `ssujs ==

"r. )kn`#h& hy gon't j k`t!

"r. )utnk& ]`gjkr!

Lug'j& jdd, djt cj sjj `t!

"#. Mkhkn& ]houdg prokdy go th`s kt s`gjkr!

Lug'j& jt cj sjj `t no!


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"#. Mkhkn& $o you hk-j k mopy for thj mourt

"r. Bo#$o%%& $o j hk-j k mopy % th`n& t's `n your `ngjr, your honor! %t's ron!

Lug'j& %s thkt t (`ng`mkt`ne) %t's k cudt =pkej

"r. Bo#$o%%& %t `s k cudt`=pkej mhkrt, your honor! +ou go hk-j t or not

Lug'j& %s `t th`s onj (`ng`mkt`ne)

"#. Mkhkn& No!

Lug'j& hkt onj (`ng`mkt`ne) $ojs t sky ?$jcjrod? kt thj ottoc

"r. Bo#$o%%& No! hkt's not == % hk-j k $jcjrod mhkrt kng k Yropofod mhkrt! % mkn eo on tosocjth`ne == eo `nto k g`ffjrjnt krjk ==

"r. (oydj& ]hj gojs not hk-j onj! Ckyj j mkn e`-j hjr th`s onj %s thkt o&ky

"#. Mkhkn& % njjg to doo& kt `t!

Lug'j& %'dd gjkd `th `t kt thj rjk&!

"r. (oydj& +ou gon't knt thj :ugej to sjj `t

"#. Mkhkn& % gon't hk-j k prodjc `th thj :ugej sjj`ne `t, ut `f j'rj eo`ne to tkd& kout `t, % njjgto hk-j `t!

"r. (oydj& j mkn e`-j `t km& to you!

"r. )kn`#h& j'rj eo`ne to eo on to socjth`ne jdsj!

Lug'j& 1&ky! #o khjkg kng co-j on for no!

"r. Bo#$o%%& oudg you d`&j cj to eo on to knothjr krjk, your honor

Lug'j& +js!

"r. )kn`#h& +js!

"! 1&ky! Kmtukddy, thj njxt krjk `s eo`ne to j thj $jcjrod krjk! ;jmkusj j roueht you == `ng`smuss`ne $jcjrod, j jnt up to thj yjkr .//G2 `s thkt morrjmt, gomtor

K! +js!

"! Kng you cjnt`onjg thkt thjrj ks no $jcjrod usjg jtjjn % th`n& t ks .//4 kng .//G thkt you


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moudg sjj froc kny rjmorgs

K! *orrjmt!

"! 1&ky! No, `n == .//G, g`g you rj-`j thj rjmorgs of $r!


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"r. )kn`#h& $jpjngs on hkt thjy krj!

Lug'j& jdd, o&ky! J-jryogy == ?gjpjngs th`s? kng ?gjpjngs thkt!?

"r. )kn`#h& %f thjy tjdd us thj nkcjs == % gon't knt to sky `t kdd n front of thj :ury!

"#. Mkhkn& j njjg k s`gjkr!

Lug'j& 1&ky! jt's tk&j k rjk&! >E c`nutjs!

*thj +ury jx`t# thj mourtroo,

Lug'j& hkt's thj prodjc `th thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs!

"r. )kn`#h& jdd, ks fkr ks knyth`ne thkt $r! Jkrdjy rjd`jg upon, j'rj f nj `th st`pudkt`ne tokgc`ss``d`ty! % :ust gon't knt to ck&j k dkn&jt for socjth`ne % hk-jn't sjjn! Knyth`ne thkt $r! Jkrdjy,thj`r jxpjrt, rjd`jg upon, j `dd st`pudktj `t mkn j kgc`ttjg!

Lug'j& %s thjrj socjth`ne jdsj thkt you'rj kttjcpt`ne to ejt `ntrogumjg, ejt t rjsod-jg n kg-knmj %'csurj thjrj's pdjnty of othjr gomtors ho trjktjg C`mhkjd 0km&son thkt you'rj eo`ne to knt to kgc`t!

"#. Mkhkn& +jkh, your honor! ;jforj j stkrtjg tr`kd, j tr`jg for prokdy s`x jj&s, `f not toconths, to ejt Ydk`nt`ffs to kerjj to k -jry s`cpdj st`pudktòn thkt == mkn % spjk&, pdjksj

"r. )kn`#h& % ks spjk&`ne to Cr! ;oydj, ut f you knt to tkd& to cj, thkt's o&ky!

"#. Mkhkn& hkt cjg`mkd rjmorgs kng othjr us njss rjmorgs, d`&j f`nknm`kd rjmorgs thkt jrjprogumjg `n rjsponsj to g`smo-jry rj5ujsts thkt jrj progumjg `th k mustog`kn of rjmorgs' gjmdkrktònor othjr `ng`m`k of rjd`k`d`ty oudg j mons`gjrjg prjsucpt`-jdy kuthjnt`m, kng thkt j moudg kerjj tothj kgc`ss``d`ty of socj of thjc undjss thjrj jrj `ssujs rjdktjg to thjc! hjy oudgn't kerjj to thktst`pudktòn! Kng ks your honor cky rjcjcjr, % th`n& on thj -jry f`rst gky of tr`kd, thjy j-jn too& thjpos`tòn thkt kny cjg`mkd rjmorgs, jmkusj thjy'-j jjn pkssjg throueh thj jstktj for rjgkmtòn of`rrjdj-knt cktjr`kd, moudgn't j usjg kt kdd, kng your honor oudg njjg to go kn `n=mkcjrk rj-`j of kddcjg`mkd rjmorgs jforj knyth`ne moudg j usjg! 1-òusdy, ks thj tr`kd hks eonj on, thjy soueht toprogumj kdd &`ngs of cjg`mkd rjmorgs2 thjy'-j kddojg us to usj, for jxkcpdj, $r! CjtAejr's rjmorgs thktjrj rjgkmtjg `th $r! *Aj`sdjr on mross! ]o j'-j nj-jr tk&jn ==

Lug'j& h`mh, y thj ky, %'-j orgjrjg kdd of thkt unrjgkmtjg kng unsjkdjg!

"#. Mkhkn& Mèht! hj sjkd`ne ks sjpkrktj froc thj rjgkmtòn promjss thkt j-jryonj kerjjg to, thktthj jstktj moudg tk&j out `rrjdj-knt cjg`mkd `nforcktòn jforj thj rjmorgs jrj progumjg to thj pkrt`js!;ut, your honor, thj po`nt `s thkt j soueht k rokg st`pudktòn kout us`njss rjmorgs, cjg`mkd rjmorgs,for conths! hjy rjfusjg to e`-j `t! j thoueht `t ks unrjksonkdj, ut j promjjgjg, thjn, togj-jdop our gjfjnsj kng ejt thj `tnjssjs njmjsskry to dky thj foungktòn for kdd thjsj rjmorgs propjrdy,jmkusj thjrj ksn't k st`pudktòn! j'rj st`dd hkppy to jntjr `nto thkt, kng thkt oudg sk-j socj t`cj,mjrtk`ndy! ;ut thkt's not socjth`ne Ydk`nt`ffs hk-j jjn `dd`ne to kerjj to!


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Lug'j& ]o hkt's thj prodjc `th thj`r foungktòn for thjsj rjmorgs *kn you `gjnt`fy hkt thjprodjcs krj

"r. (oydj& +our honor, % th`n&, you &no, thkt ks socjhkt c`sdjkg`ne, k d`ttdj, hkt shj sk`g! hjst`pudktòn thkt ks soueht ks thkt j-jry gomucjnt progumjg to th`rg=pkrty supojnks j kgc`ss`dj

`n thj mksj!

"#. Mkhkn& No!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& No!

"r. )kn`#h& *kn hj f`n`sh

"r. (oydj& hkt's hkt shj :ust sk`g, kdd us`njss rjmorgs, not :ust cjg`mkd rjmorgs! % cjkn, j :ustkerjjg to st`pudktj thkt thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs rjd`jg on y thj`r jxpjrt, $r! Jkrdjy, mkn kdd mocj `ntoj-`gjnmj!

Lug'j& 1&ky! ;ut thkt's not eoog jnoueh, jmkusj, o-òusdy, thjrj's othjr cjg`mkd rjmorgs you kntto rjdy upon froc phys`m`kns ==

"r. )kn`#h& hkt krj thjy %f j hk-j k spjm`f`m d`st, th`s gomtor, th`s gomtor, th`s gomtor, f`nj! Noj'-j sk`g, j-jry onj thkt Jkrdjy rjd`js on mkn j kgc`ss`dj! hjy'rj thj skcj onjs thkt hj hksrj-`jjg, cjkn`ne $r! ]mhnodd! %f thjy e`-j us == `t's not k rokg == d`&j j-jry gomucjnt! % knt to&no spjm`f`mkddy! Kng Jkrdjy, j &no j-jryth`ne hj rj-`jjg thkt hj rjd`jg on hj sk`g kt h`sgjpos`tòn!

"#. Mkhkn& hkt oudg j k c`sstktjcjnt, your honor!

Lug'j& +ou shoudg hk-j hkg th`s g`smussòn k h`dj keo!

"#. Mkhkn& j tr`jg to go thkt to conths jforj tr`kd stkrtjg!

"r. )kn`#h& ;ut thjy gon't e`-j us k d`st! hjy :ust sk`g, ?j-jry gomucjnt!? j knt k d`st, kng %ks&jg for thkt on thj rjmorg spjm`f`mkddy!

Lug'j& $`g you e`-j h`c k d`st

"#. Mkhkn& +js, of moursj j ek-j thjc k d`st!

"r. )kn`#h& No! hjrj `s thj d`st

Lug'j& $o you hk-j k djttjr

"#. Mkhkn& j mkn ejt thjc kt thj dunmh rjk&!

Lug'j& %'c eo`ne to stkrt o-jrrud`ne o:jmtòns, jmkusj j'rj not eo`ne to spjng k conth doo&`ne`nto thj mustog`kn of rjmorgs ==


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"#. Mkhkn& +js, your honor!

Lug'j& $omtors, mustog`kns ==

"#. Mkhkn& j mocpdjtjdy kerjj, kng j th`n& thkt oudg j thj ksodutjdy off`m`kd ky to promjjg,kng thkt's hkt j knt to go to strjkcd`nj th`s tr`kd kng co-j th`nes kdone! % gon't &no hy thjy'rj

not `dd`ne to st`pudktj to thj kgc`ss``d`ty of cjg`mkd rjmorgs ejnjrkddy2 hkt `t `s kout hkt $r!Jkrdjy rjd`jg on `s corj rjd`kdj! Kng, y thj ky, $r! Jkrdjy rjd`jg on $r! Currky's pod`mj stktjcjnt so% kssucj thjy'rj not tkd&`ne kout thkt, `n kddo`ne j-jryth`ne thkt $r! Jkrdjy hks rjd`jg kout!

"r. )kn`#h& hkt's not k cjg`mkd rjmorg! % sk`g == thkt's kek`n c`sdjkg`ne, your honor! % sk`g ?cjg`mkdrjmorgs thkt hj rjd`jg on!? j kdrjkgy &no thj pos`tòn on $r! Currky's stktjcjnt! j gon't njjg toejt == shj gojsn't njjg to ck&j thkt stktjcjnt, jmkusj j &no hkt thj pos`tòn `s, kng thj rud`ne hksjjn ckgj!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& % th`n& ==

"r. )kn`#h& j'rj tkd&`ne kout cjg`mkd rjmorgs spjm`f mkddy!

Lug'j& 1&ky!

"r. )kn`#h& ]hj ckgj thj o:jmtòn!

Lug'j& % hjkrg you! % knt to hjkr froc thjc!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& +our honor, % th`n& thj proposjg st`pudktòn, `nsofkr ks `t rjdktjs to cjg`mkd rjmorgs ksthkt cjg`mkd rjmorgs progumjg -`k k mustog`kn of rjmorgs' gjmdkrktòn, pjr kerjjcjnt thjy pkssjgthroueh thj jstktj to rjgkmt `rrjdj-knt cjg`mkd `nforcktòn thkt g`gn't rjdktj to, sky, kgg`mtòn `ssujs orYropofod `ssujs or pk`n `ssujs == for nstknmj, `f hj hkg mh`m&jn pox, y ky of jxkcpdj, thkt cèhthk-j jjn tk&jn out of thosj rjmorgs! hjy jrj progumjg to oth pkrt`js `n thj mksj, thjy jrj rjd`jgon y oth pkrt`js' jxpjrts to -kry`ne gjerjjs! hj proposjg st`pudktòn ks thkt knyth`ne thkt mkcj`nto thj mksj thkt ky progumjg y k cjg`mkd prkmt`tònjr throueh k mustog`kn of rjmorgs' gjmdkrktònkng thjn progumjg to oth pkrt`js oudg j prjsucpt`-jdy kgc`ss`dj, undjss thjrj ks k spjm`f`mrjkson to mhkddjnej! Kng thjn thj pkrt`js rjsjr-j thj rèht to mhkddjnej `t!

Lug'j& h`s ks k st`pudktòn

"#. Mkhkn& j proposjg `t!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& h`s ks k proposjg st`pudktòn! Kng % st`dd th`n& `t's k rjksonkdj pos`tòn thkt, you&no, `t ks kdd progumjg to Ydk`nt`ffs `n g`smo-jry! % gon't th`n& thjrj's kny rjmorgs thkt %'c kkrj ofthkt thjy'rj mhkddjne`ne thj kuthjnt`m`ty or thjy'rj sky`ne krj not propjr cjg`mkd rjmorgs!

"r. (oydj& jdd, your honor, thkt st`pudktòn ksn't prjsjntjg to us :ust for cjg`mkd rjmorgs! hkt's ourpo`nt! %t ks for kdd thjsj othjr rjmorgs ==

Lug'j& 1&ky! Cr! ;oydj, thj rjsponsj `dd j, ?j'dd st`pudktj to thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs, ut j on'tst`pudktj to thj us`njss rjmorgs!? `t's not ?j'rj not eo`ne to mons`gjr knyth`ne kt kdd, kng djt's :ustfèurj `t out hjn j ejt to tr`kd kt thj 9th jj&!? hkt's not thj kppropr`ktj rjsponsj, jmkusj % gon't


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knt to spjng knothjr conth gjkd`ne `th mustog`kn of rjmorgs on cjg`mkd!

"r. )kn`#h& % kerjj `th thkt!

"r. (oydj& +our honor, j kerjj! hkt ks thj f`rst t`cj thkt st`pudktòn ks krt`mudktjg thkt ky!hjy jrj sky`ne jforj, ?kdd cjg`mkd rjmorgs!? j gon't &no `f thjy hk-j socjth`ne j gon't hk-j!

Lug'j& Cr! ;oydj, cjg`mkd rjmorgs hk-j jjn kt thj hjkrt of th`s mksj ==

"r. )kn`#h& No!

Lug'j& == s`nmj `t stkrtjg!

"r. )kn`#h& o go j &no ==

Lug'j& hj cjg`mkd mong`tòn of C`mhkjd 0km&son! *kn you rjkddy ck&j thkt rjprjsjntktòn

"r. (oydj& +our honor, j :ust == f j hk-j cjg`mkd rjmorgs ==

Lug'j& %'c not eo`ne to j sustk`n`ne kny hjkrsky o:jmtòns!

"r. )kn`#h& j hk-jn't o:jmtjg!

Lug'j& +ou njjg to fèurj `t out, jmkusj %'c not eo`ne to j sustk`n`ne kny hjkrsky o:jmtòns! %'cnot eo`ne to sustk`n thj`rs, ut %'c not eo`ne to sustk`n yours, j`thjr, undjss you mkn mocj up `th socjdje`t`cktj rjkson hy thj rjmorgs shoudgn't mocj `n! hjn % sky, ?dje`t`cktj,? thjy'rj not kuthjnt`m2thjy g`gn't mocj froc thj gomtor's off`mj2 thjrj's k frkugudjnt sènkturj on thj -jr`f`mktòn, orsocjth`ne of thkt nkturj!

"r. (oydj& +our honor, j hk-jn't o:jmtjg to kny cjg`mkd rjmorgs! hjy'rj thj onjs o:jmt`ne!

"r. )kn`#h& hjy jrj us`ne $r! CjtAejr's ==

Lug'j& hjy'rj o:jmt`ne jmkusj you g`g not e`-j thjc k s`c`dkr mourtjsy th thj cjg`mkd ==

"r. )kn`#h& hkt's not truj!

"r. )utnk& +js!

"r. )kn`#h& $r! CjtAejr == hj usjg $r! CjtAejr==

Lug'j& Cr! Ykn`sh, you to njjg to ejt toejthjr kng fèurj `t out! %'c :ust sky`ne, `f you mkn't fèurj `tout, %'c not eo`ne to sustk`n j`thjr of your o:jmtòns! hj rjmorgs krj :ust eo`ne to mocj `n!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& +our honor ==

"r. )kn`#h& +our honor, j g`gn't o:jmt!


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Lug'j& %'c ejtt`ne off thj jnmh no! +ou tkd&!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& % th`n& Ydk`nt`ffs' mounsjd ks `dd ne to proposj k st`pudktòn!

"r. )kn`#h& j'rj off thj jnmh!

*(rjk$,

"r. )kn`#h& 1&ky! No, %'c monfusjg! j `dd kerjj thkt kny gomucjnt thkt j rjmj`-jg thkt, ks kmustog`kn st`pudktòn == cjg`mkd rjmorgs, j kerjj thkt thjrj's no njjg for thj mustog`kn to mocj!

Lug'j& 1&ky!

"r. )kn`#h& No, ks to thkt, othjr rjmorgs ks`gj, :ust tkd&`ne kout cjg`mkd rjmorgs no! No, thjysky thkt j-jryonj rjsjr-js thj`r rèht to go hkt

"#. Mkhkn& *hkddjnej thj kgc`ss``d`ty or kuthjnt`m`ty of cjg`mkd rjmorgs, `f thjrj's socj ng`m`k of,you &no, nkmmurkmy!

"r. )kn`#h& jdd, djt's sky == kgc`ss``d`ty, % kerjj j-jryonj mkn rjsjr-j thj r eht on thkt!

Lug'j& Mjdj-knmj or hktj-jr, thosj typjs of o:jmtòns!

"r. )kn`#h& Mèht! hktj-jr typjs of kgc`ss``d`ty, hktj-jr `t `s, o&ky, `t's rjsjr-jg! hjy knt torjsjr-j `t, f`nj! hj othjr onj %'c not mdjkr kout, thoueh! *kn you jxpdk`n thkt

"#. Mkhkn& %'-j rj-`jjg kdd thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs! % gon't th`n& kny of thjc kppjkr to j frkugudjnt or==

"r. )kn`#h& jdd, `f t's frkugudjnt, j-jryonj mkn rjsjr-j thj`r rèhts!

"#. Mkhkn& Mèht!

"r. )kn`#h& %f `t's kn `ssuj hjrj t's fkr`mktjg, hktj-jr, j-jryonj mkn rjsjr-j thj`r rèhts! %'c o&ky`th thkt!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& % th`n& thkt's f`nj! %f `t's progumjg pursuknt to k mustog`kn of rjmorgs' gjmdkrktòn, kngthjrj's no `ng`mktòn `t's frkugudjnt, kng j rjsjr-j our rèhts on kgc`ss``d`ty, % th`n& j kdd kerjj!

"r. )kn`#h& Kng j eot thj rjmorgs hjn j eot thj gjmdkrktòn, no prodjc!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& 1&ky!

"r. )kn`#h& Kng j hk-jn't o:jmtjg == kng % &no thjrj ks not k rjsodutòn, ut j'-j kddojgthjc, so fkr, to usj kny rjmorgs thkt thjy'-j kntjg to gur`ne mross! 0ust so thkt's mdjkr! j hk-j not


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o:jmtjg!

"r. (oydj& Kng, your honor, our ondy monmjrn `s == j gon't th`n& `t ks `ntjntònkd, ut socjt`cjs thjjstktj oudgn't kdkys sjng us k mopy of stuff, so thkt's hy j jrj monmjrnjg thkt j kmtukddy hkgthjsj rjmorgs!

Lug'j& 1&ky!

"r. )kn`#h& Mèht! ]o thkt tk&js mkrj of thkt!

Lug'j& Kng, unfortunktjdy, % g`gn't doo& kt thj mhkrt gur`ne thj rjk&!

"#. Mkhkn& +our honor, thj mhkrt's f`nj `f thj ungjrdy`ne cjg`mkd rjmorgs krj moc`ne `nto j-`gjnmj!Kng `f j krj kerjj`ne to thj st`pudktòn, thjn thj ungjrdy`ne cjg`mkd rjmorgs j kerjj oudg mocj`nto j-`gjnmj! Kng % th`n& j shoudg :ust mdkr`fy `n thj rjmorg, j'rj kgc`tt`ne thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs ofthj foddo`ne phys`m`kns thkt krj rjfjrjnmjg `n thj mhkrt `n monnjmtòn `th thj prjsjntktòn of thjmhkrt!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& Kng, kdso ==

"r. Bo#$o%%& +js!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& == % oudg mons`gjr propos`ne thkt phys`m`kn=progumjg rjmorgs kt gjpos`tòn kngkuthjnt`mktjg thkt ky, j kdso st`pudktj to thj skcj th`ne!

Lug'j& `&j kn Jkrdjy=typj s`tuktòn

"r. )kn`#h& No, no, no!

"r. Bo#$o%%&K! rjktjr!

"#. Mkhkn& rjkt`ne phys`m`kn!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& 7or `nstknmj, $r! CjtAejr ks gjposjg kng progumjg rjmorgs `n monnjmtòn `th h`sgjpos`tòn! % gon't &no `f hj g`g k mustog`kn of rjmorgs' gjmdkrktòn jmkusj hj progumjg rjmorgs kt thjgjpos`tòn!

"r. )kn`#h& jdd, hj sk`g thjy jrj h`s rjmorgs, thoueh!

"#. ]tj!!`n#& Mèht! Kssuc`ne thjy jrj `gjnt`f jg y thj phys`m`kn kt thj gjpos tòn!

"r. )kn`#h& $r! CjtAejr's rjmorgs jrj usjg, kng no o:jmtòn!

"#. Mkhkn& Cost of thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs jrj kuthjnt`mktjg throueh gjpos`tòn tjst`cony rkthjr thknthroueh k mustog`kn of rjmorgs' gjmdkrktòn, kng % th`n& j'rj `n kerjjcjnt thjrj's no prodjc `ththosj!

"r. (oydj& +js! hkt's f`nj!


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Lug'j& ]o thosj fod&s d`stjg on thj mhkrt *hr`st`nj "u`nn, $k-`g 7ourn`jr, $r!


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"#. Mkhkn& *kn % hk-j thkt mopy

"r. Bo#$o%%& *kn % put th`s up jforj thj :ury mocjs `n so % gon't hk-j to strueedj

Lug'j& +js! ]houdg % &jjp th`s, or gojs thkt jdone to socjogy

"#. Mkhkn& hkt ks c`nj, kmtukddy!

Lug'j& 1&ky!

"r. )kn`#h& $o you knt onj #`-j hjr onj km&! Kdd r`eht! Mjkgy to eo no

Lug'j& 1&ky! *kdd thj :ury!

*-hj +ury jntjr# thj mourtroo,

Lug'j& Cr!


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"! Kng g`g you j-jr &no of k mksj hjrj socjogy jmkcj kgg`mtjg froc thj kgc`n`strktòn ofYropofod y knothjr pjrson

K! No!

"! Kng ho == hjn thjy jmocj kgg`mtjg to Yropofod , :ust hkt `s thj sort of typ`mkd th`ne thkt

hkppjns to k pjrson ho s jmoc`ne Yropofod kgg`mtjg o go thjy ejt thj Yropofod hkt gothjy go hkt hkppjns to thjc

K! jdd, thjy stjkd `t froc thj == j`thjr thj opjrkt`ne rooc or froc thj mr`t`mkd mkrj un`t hjrj `t's j`neusjg kng thjn `dd, you &no, j`thjr tk&j `t hocj kng `n:jmt `t kt hocj or `n:jmt `t `n thj kthrooc orhjrj-jr to ejt thj jffjmt thkt thjy knt!

"! Kng s Yropofod k done=kmt`ne grue or fkst=kmt`ne grue

K! %t's k -jry fkst=kmt`ne, short=kmt`ne grue!

"! Kng gojs thj jffjmt of `t dkst k done t`cj, or gojs `t g`skppjkr 5u`m&dy

K! Kftjr thj nfusòn of Yropofod `s stoppjg, thj jffjmt jkrs off -jry 5u`m&dy!

"! ]o thkt `s thj == krj thj m`rmucstknmjs ungjr h`mh thj Yropofod , pjopdj jmocj Yropofodkgg`mtjg, kt kdd s`c`dkr to thj m`rmucstknmjs, ksjg on your rj-`j of thj cjg`mkd rjmorgs, thkt C`mhkjd0km&son rjmj`-jg Yropofod o-jr thj yjkrs

K! No! otkddy g`ffjrjnt!

"! Kng g`g hj rjmj`-j `t `n monnjmtòn `th oth outpkt`jnt trjktcjnts kng `npkt`jnt trjktcjnts for-kròus cjg`mkd mong`tòns

K! +js!

"! ;y thj ky, ho popudkr s Yropofod ks kn knjsthjt`m

K! %t's murrjntdy, % th`n&, thj cost `gjdy usjg knjsthjt`m `n thj ordg!

"! Kng `s thjrj knothjr nkcj thkt t eojs y

K! +js! $`pr`-kn!

"! $`pr`-kn! ]o `s $`pr`-kn thj rkng nkcj

K! +js!

"! Kng Yropofod `s thj ejnjr`m

K! Yropofod `s thj ejnjr`m!

"! No, ungjr your g`rjmtòn, ks k mhkrt gj-jdopjg h`mh shojg thj usj thkt == thj kgc`n`strktòn


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of C`mhkjd 0km&son of Yropofod o-jr thj yjkrs Kek`n, stkrt`ne `th thj $knejrous tour up unt`d thjprjsjnt t`cj

"r. )kn`#h& $o you hk-j k c`mrosmopj

"r. ]mhnodd& +js!

"! 1&ky! No, f`rst of kdd, ks thjrj kny rjmorg thkt hj j-jr rjmj`-jg Yropofod gur`ne thj $knejroustour

K! Nonj thkt % moudg f`ng!

"! 1&ky! ks thjrj == g`g knyonj j-jr sky thkt hj rjmj`-jg `t gur`ne thkt tour

K! +js!

"! ho sk`g `t

K! $j`j Moj!

"! Kng $j`j Moj ks h`s jx= fj2 `s thkt rèht

K! +js!

"! Kng go you &no hjthjr hj g`g or g`g not rjmj`-j Yropofod gur`ne thkt tour

K! ]hj, `n, % th`n& `t ks k gjpos`tòn or hktj-jr thkt % rjkg, sk`g thkt shj ksn't surj! ]hj mkddjg `tYropofod , thjn mkddjg `t fjntknyd! %t ksn't mdjkr! ]hj g`gn't &no thj nkcjs! ]o % rjkddy gon't &nohjthjr `t ks Yropofod or fjntknyd or hktj-jr jmkusj shj ksn't mdjkr on hkt `t ks!

"! ;ut kt djkst socjogy sk`g == kng thjn == shj hkg socj pròr nurs`ne km&eroung, $j`j Moj,g`gn't]hj

K! % gon't th`n& shj ks k nursj! ]hj or&jg for $r!


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Lug'j& %'c sorry! *kn you mdkr`fy ks thkt k tour gomtor, or ks thkt pjrson gjsmr`jg ks k tourgomtor, or ks thkt pjrson :ust k gomtor thkt shj gjsmr`jg ho tjngjg to h`c h`dj hj ks on tour $oyou rjmkdd

"r. ]mhnodd& %'c try`ne to rjmkdd! % th`n& `t ks k gomtor ho :ust mkcj `n for thj nèht!

Lug'j& h`dj hj ks on tour

"r. ]mhnodd&Kng kgc`n`stjrjg thj grue!

"! Kng hj ks kn knjsthjsòdoe`st, thj pjrson, hoj-jr g`g `t2 s thkt rèht

K! +js!

"! Kng g`g == kng hkt ks `t == hkt ks `t e`-jn to h`c for

K! ]djjp!

"! ]djjp! %s thkt kn kppropr`ktj usj of Yropofod , y thj ky

K! 7or sdjjp

"! +js!

K! No! %t's not kn kppro-jg usj of Yropofod !

"! %s thkt thj kppropr`ktj spjm`kd`st to usj hjn Yropofod `s `ng`mktjg

K! +js!

"! Kn knjsthjsòdoe`st No, kftjr thkt, jtjjn >993 kng >99, ks thjrj kny rjmorg of kny Yropofodusj ungjr kny m`rmucstknmjs

K! % g`g not sjj kny `n thj rjmorgs % rj-`jjg!

"! Kng `n thj `story tour `n >99, ks thjrj kn knjsthjsòdoe`st ho ckgj k moupdj of kppjkrknmjson thkt tour

K! +js!

"! $o you rjcjcjr h`s nkcj

K! % th`n& t ks 7orjmkst!

"! jdd, % th`n& j eot thkt c`xjg up `th thj othjr tour!

K! 1h!


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"! 7orjmkst, % th`n&, ks f rst! ks `t Mktnjr

K! Mktnjr!

"! $o j &no $r! Mktnjr kgc`n`stjrjg socjth`ne to C`mhkjd on thkt tour

K! +js!

"! $o j &no hkt `t ks

K! j oudg not sky!

"! %n h`s gjpos`t`on

K! M`eht!

"! 1&ky! Kng thjn mjrtk`ndy f `t ks Yropofod for sdjjp, t oudg not j `ng`mktjg2 `s thkt morrjmt

K! hkt's morrjmt!

"! No, `n >99G, hj hkg socj gjntkd promjgurjs2 s thkt morrjmt

K! +js!

"! Kng thjrj ks k $r! "u`nn ho ek-j Yropofod

K! +js!

"! Kng ks thkt kppropr`ktj to usj ungjr thj m`rmucstknmjs of thj gjntkd promjgurjs thkt hj hkg

K! +js!

"! Kng hj hkg == thkt ks k nucjr of g`ffjrjnt gjntkd promjgurjs `n >99G, >999! Kng thjn hj hkgsocj gjrcktodoe`mkd promjgurjs `th $r!


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K! +js!

"! Kng ks thj kgc`n`strktòn of Yropofod k propjr usj of thkt grue gur`ne thosj promjgurjs

K! +js!

"! Kng, kdso, $r! == thjsj krj kdd for d`c`tjg promjgurjs2 `s thkt rèht

K! hkt's morrjmt!

"! %n othjr orgs, th`s oudg not j k mocpdjtj == out for hours kng hours kng hours

K! No! %t oudgn't j out for hours kng hours!

"! 1&ky! Kng th`s Cr! 7ourn`jr, thj rje`stjrjg nursj knjsthjt`st, ks thj pjrson ho kgc`n`stjrjgungjr thosj m`rmucstknmjs2 `s thkt rèht

K! hkt's rèht!

"! Kng hj hkg othjr pdkst`m surejr`js `th $r! 8`re`d kng $r! kkshy, kng, kek`n, ks Yropofod e`-jngur`ne thosj

K! +js!

"! Kng corj `th $r!


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"! Kng thjn $r! Currky ek-j `t for hkt `ng`mktòn

K! ]djjp!

"! Kng ks thkt kn kppropr`ktj usj

K! No!

"! Kng ks hj kn kppropr`ktj f`t kng mocpjtjnt &`ng of k spjm`kd`st % cjkn, hjthjr `t kskppropr`ktj to usj `t or not, ks hj k f`t kng mocpjtjnt &`ng of spjm`kd`st to kgc`n`stjr Yropofod

K! No!

"! hy not

K! j ks not kn knjsthjt`st or knjsthjsòdoe`st!

"! ;ksjg on your rj-`j of thj rjmorgs, ks thjrj kny `ng`mktòn hktsoj-jr thkt C`mhkjd 0km&son,pròr to cjjt`ne $r! Currky, ks j-jr kgg`mtjg to Yropofod

K! No!

"! ?no? cjkn`ne

K! No, hj ks not == no j-`gjnmj thkt hj ks kgg`mtjg to Yropofod !

"! 1&ky! ks thjrj j-jr kny j-`gjnmj, kt djkst unt`d hj cjt $r! Currky, thkt hj ks gjpjngjnt onYropofod

K! No!

"! Kng ksjg upon your rj-`j of thj rjmorgs, jrj thjrj == g`g hj suffjr froc `nsocn`k

K! +js!

"! Kng jrj thjrj kny m`rmucstknmjs h`mh ckgj h`s `nsocn`k orsj

K! +js!

"! hkt jrj thj m`rmucstknmjs

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn! 1uts`gj thj smopj ==

Lug'j& ]ustk`njg!

"#. Mkhkn& == kng mucudkt`-j!


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"! Kssucj == y thj ky, hk-j you rjkg $r! *Aj`sdjr's tjst`cony

K! +js!

"! Kng g`g you rjkg thkt froc h`s tr`kd tjst`cony

K! +js!

"! 1&ky! Kssucj thkt $r! *Aj`sdjr hkg sk`g thkt C`mhkjd ks suffjr`ne froc `nsocn`k kng thkt hj hkg== thkt h`s `nsocn`k ks orsj gur`ne pjrforcknmj kng tour`ne2 o&ky *kn you tjdd cj hjthjr or notyou hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr or not thj usj of Yropofod ks :ust`f`jg for trjkt`ne thj `nsocn`k

K! +js!

"! hkt s thj op`nòn

K! %t's `nkppropr`ktj!

"! Kng oudg `t j kppropr`ktj j-jn `f C`mhkjd 0km&son rj5ujstjg `t oudg thkt ck&j `t kppropr`ktj

K! No!

"! %s thjrj j-`gjnmj `n thj rjmorg == 5ujstòn `thgrkn! j jnt up `n thj moursj of thj jkrd`jrg`smussòn, j tkd&jg kout C`mhkjd's usj kng thj kgc`n`strktòn of $jcjrod kng thj prjsmr`ptòn of$jcjrod to C`mhkjd o-jr thj yjkrs, kng you po`ntjg out thj -kròus dom&s of t`cj hjrj thjrj ksksodutjdy noth`ne! %n thj yjkr .//G g`g C`mhkjd kek`n eo to sjj $r!


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"r. Bo#$o%%& %'c sorry!

"! $jcjrod kgc`n`strkt on to C`mhkjd 0km&son

K! +js!

"r. Bo#$o%%& 1&ky! Kng thkt `s jxh``t 9GE=>! *kn j put thkt up, pdjksj

"#. Mkhkn& No o:jmt`on!

"r. Bo#$o%%& Kmtukddy, jforj j go == djk-j t up thjrj!

"! ;ut % knt to ks& you k 5ujst`on! C`mhkjd f`rst jnt to $r!


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pkrt`mudkr hjn hj hkg $jcjrod gjpjngjnm`js, hkt gojs >// c`ddèrkcs cjkn to you ks kn kgg`mtònspjm`kd`st

K! hkt thkt oudg prokdy j kn kppropr`ktj gosj!

"! Kng `f hj hkg jjn rjmj`-`ne == f hj hkg jjn tk&`ne thj $jcjrod jtjjn .//4 kng .//G, hkt

oudg thj >// c`ddèrkcs sèn`fy

K! hkt oudg prokdy not j kn jffjmt`-j gosj, jmkusj hj oudg hk-j sèn`f`mknt todjrknmj to thj$jcjrod!

"! ]o go you hk-j kn op`nòn, ksjg on k rjksonkdj prok`d ty, ks to hjthjr C`mhkjd 0km&son kstk&`ne $jcjrod jtjjn .//4 kng .//G on k rjeudkr ks`s

K! +js!

"! hkt `s your op`nòn

K! hkt hj ksn't!

"! Kng hkt oudg h`s dj-jds j d`&j `f hj ks k grue kgg`mt, kng hj ks tk&`ne $jcjrod on k rjeudkrks`s jtjjn .//4 kng .//G hkt oudg thj dj-jds of $jcjrod j d`&j `f hj hkg norckd todjrknmju`dg`ne up

K! j oudg hk-j to tk&j k cumh hèhjr gosj of $jcjrod `n orgjr to ejt thj gjs`rjg jffjmt!

"! ]o hj stkrtjg off kt >// c`ddèrkcs, kng thkt ks == % &no % gon't hk-j thj sd`gj! %'dd try to morrjmtthkt rèht kftjr dunmh to sho thj .//G -`s`ts to $r! // c`ddèrkcs, g`g hj ejt thkt for k moupdj of t`cjs, kng thjn g`g hj erkgukddy u`dg up o-jr thj moursjof h`s trjktcjnt `th $r! !

"! +jkh! h`s `s 9GE=>!

"r. Bo#$o%%& %t's kmtukddy, truthfuddy, not thj onj % rjkddy kntjg! 1&ky! % eot cysjdf kdd == % th`n& %'c`n shkpj no! jt's put up jxh``t 9G3=>!1&ky!

"! No, 9G3=>! h`s `s k kr erkph2 `s thkt morrjmt


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K! +js!

"! Kng gojs thkt sho thj dj-jds of $jcjrod thkt $r!


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"! Kng `s thkt socjth`ne of k mhkddjnej for k gomtor trjkt`ne sumh k pkt`jnt, to ck&j surj `t's t`trktjgpropjrdy

K! +js!

"! Kng f`t kng mocpjtjnt gomtors, go thjy &no ho to go thkt, surejons kng pjopdj ho usj

$jcjrod

K! +js!

"! No == thjn `t jnt up to .// c`ddèrkcs2 s thkt rèht

K! +js!

"! Kng j mkn sjj `n Kpr`d, thjrj sjjcs d`&j `t jnt up to o-jr 4E/ c`ddèrkcs kt onj po`nt2 `s thktmorrjmt

K! +js!

"! Kng thjn `t stkrtjg to eo gon kek`n

K! +js!

"! Kng thj dkst gosj ks km& kt hkt

K! kst gosj ks gon kek`n to >// c`ddèrkcs!

"! Kng == no, djt's eo to 9GE=., h`mh shos thj dkst == jdd, kmtukddy, you &no hkt ;jforj j gothkt, djt's eo to => kek`n!

"r. Bo#$o%%& Kng `s thjrj kn o-jrdky for thkt %s thjrj ==

Lug'j& ]o `s `t k fkddkmy thkt socjogy ho's grue gjpjngjnt :ust &jjps ks&`ne for corj kng corjkng corj %f `t's tkpjr`ne off kt socj po`nt, hkt kmmounts for thkt

"r. ]mhnodd& jdd, o-òusdy, thj gomtor ks try`ne to tkpjr!

Lug'j& 1h, % sjj! hj gomtor cèht hk-j jjn `ntjntònkddy try`ne to tkpjr

"r. ]mhnodd& +js!

"! %s thkt thj ky == sjj, no j cky j jntjr`ne k pkrt thkt your honor `s 5ujstòn`ne hjrj! hj gosjeojs kdd thj ky up to thj top po`nt kng thjn stkrts to eo gon, kng `s thkt hkt gomtors krj supposjg togo to ejt pjopdj off grues hjn thjy'rj j`ne usjg for kppropr`ktj purposjs

K! +js! ]upposjg to try to == `f thj pjrson `s to mocj off of thj grue, you try to tkpjr thjc o-jr t`cj toejt thjc off thj grue rkthjr thkn prjm`p`tousdy stopp`ne thj grue!


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"! Kng `s thkt hkt kppkrjntdy, kmmorg`ne to thj rjmorgs, $r!


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"! Kng hjn h s kutopsy ks pjrforcjg, ks thjrj kny $jcjrod foung `n h`s systjc kt kdd

K! No!

"! ks thjrj kny cjtkod`tj of $jcjrod foung `n h`s systjc %n othjr orgs, th`s Norcjpjr`g`njthkt you hkg spo&jn of

K! No!

"! Kng mkn you tjdd us, &no`ne froc thj phkrckmodoe`mkd propjrt`js of thkt grue hjthjr kt thj t`cjof h`s gjkth, thkt $jcjrod, e`-jn thj h`story of `ts uskej thjrj, oudg hk-j hkg kny jffjmt hktsoj-jron h`c y thj .Eth of 0unj

K! %t oudgn't hk-j hkg kny!

"! oudg `t hk-j hkg kny jffjmt on h`s nsocn`k kt thkt po`nt

K! Yrokdy not!

"! %n thj jkrd`jr stkej of thj kgc`n`strkt`on of `t `n Kpr`d hjn hj ks ejtt`ne thj dkrejr kcounts,moudg `t hk-j hkg kn jffjmt on h`s == `s sdjjp hk`ts

K! +js!

"! Kng hkt jffjmt gojs == hkt gojs $jcjrod go to sdjjp

K! jdd, hjn you'rj tk&`ne t, `t moudg ck&j you sdjjpy hjn you'rj == hjn you'rj on thj $jcjrod!

"! Kng hjn you eo off `t

K! %f == %f you'rj gjpjngjnt, you moudg hk-j socj nsocn`k for k h`dj!

"! No, froc == ;y thj ky, `n rj-`j`ne thj rjmorgs, C`mhkjd 0km&son's cjg`mkd rjmorgs, jrj thjrjmorgs kdd `n h`s nkcj, or jrj thjrj socj othjr nkcjs thkt hj usjg `n thj == hkt jrj usjg y thj$omtors `n thj rjmorgs for C`mhkjd

K! hjrj jrj othjr nkcjs!

"! Kng onj of thjc `s Kckr Krnodg, kng thjrj ks onj or to g`ffjrjnt nkcjs, `s thkt r`eht

K! hjrj jrj sj-jrkd g`ffjrjnt nkcjs! % gon't rjmkdd thjc kdd!

"! 1< Kng s thkt socjth`ne thkt, ks k pjrson ho hks trjktjg mjdjr`ty kthdjtjs kng == Kng othjrso-jr thj yjkrs == $`g you f`ng thkt unusukd

K! No!

"! hy `s thkt


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K! jdd, pjopdj ho krj mjdjr`t js oftjn gon't knt othjr pjopdj pry`ne `nto thj`r cjg`mkd rjmorgs, sothjy `dd usj psjugonycs `n orgjr to protjmt thjcsjd-js froc == 7roc thkt dj-jd of pry`ne! %f youknt, % moudg e`-j kn jxkcpdj of ==

"! *oudg you

K! == K prodjc hjn socjonj g`gn't usj k psjugonyc! K hosp`tkd % ks or&`ne `n, 7rkn& ]`nktrkks kgc`ttjg to thj hosp`tkd kftjr moddkps`ne onstkej, kng thj hosp`tkd mocputjr systjc ks o-jrdokgjghjn j-jryogy tr`jg to ejt `n to f`ng out hkt hkppjnjg to h`c! Kng thkt ks not :ust phys`m`kns,thkt ks knyogy ho hkg kmmjss to thj systjc! ]o th`s `s not kn unmoccon ==

"! Kng so thjsj mjdjr`t`js oftjn usj othjr nkcjs

K! *orrjmt!

"! Kng socjt`cjs krj prjsmr`pt`ons e`-jn `n thj nkcj of kn k`gj or socjonj jdsj ho `s `n-od-jg

K! +js!

"! Kng thjrj's jjn socj tjst`cony, % jd`j-j, thkt k prjsmr`pt`on ks e`-jn to


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K! Yjopdj socjt`cjs tk&j `t for sdjjp, thjy usj t for `nmrjksjg kppjt`tj!

"! Kng, kek`n, th`s `s cjg`mkd usjs for th`s grue

K! +js!

"! 1< No % :ust knt to eo `n k d`ttdj `t `nto :ust k d`ttdj `t of k g`ffjrjnt krjk! % gon't hk-j toocumh corj, jmkusj %'g do-j to ejt you to j kdj to eo km& hocj togky `f j moudg!

K! ]o oudg %!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn hjthjr k $omtor == +ou'-j rj-`jjg $r! Currky's km&eroung kngrjmorgs, hk-j you not

K! +js!

"! Kng h`s h`story, h`s spjm`kdt`js kng krjks of spjm`kdt`js

K! +js!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn hjthjr kn `ntjr-jntònkd mkrgòdoe`st ks thj rèht $omtor for KJ# tohk-j for == o h`rj for == o trjkt C`mhkjd 0km&son

K! +js!

"#. Mkhkn& o:jmtòn, kssucjs k h`r`ne, `t's mucudkt`-j, `t's outs`gj thj smopj of th`s `tnjss'sjxpjrt`sj!

Lug'j& sustk`njg!

"! ;y go you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr or not k $omtor `th $r! Currky's km&eroung ks f tkng mocpjtjnt to trjkt C`mhkjd 0km&son's h`story of pk`n prodjcs

K! +js!

"! hkt `s thkt op`nòn

K! No, hj ks not mocpjtjnt!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr k $omtor `th $r! Currky's km&eroung ks f t kngmocpjtjnt to hkngdj C`mhkjd's h`story of grue gjpjngjnmy `ssujs

K! +js!


K! j ks not mocpjtjnt!


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"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr k $omtor `th $r! Currky's km&eroung ks f t kngmocpjtjnt to hkngdj h`s sdjjp prodjcs

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn, outs`gj thj smopj!

Lug'j& ]ustk`njg!

"! jrj thjrj == $o you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr thjrj jrj j-jnts h`mh djg up to thj h r`ne of$r! Currky thkt ckgj `t == `c susp`mòus ks k mkng`gktj

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn!

Lug'j& ]ustk`njg ks to h`r`ne!

"r. )kn`#h& 0ust ks& k hypothjt`mkd!

Lug'j& %f you knt to ks& k hypothjt`mkd, you mkn go thkt!

"#. Mkhkn& h`s `s kdso mucudkt`-j of tjst`cony of $r! ohdejdjrntjr!

"r. Bo#$o%%& %'c sorry! % ks not hjrj n mourt kt thkt t`cj! % kpodoeÀj, your honor!

"r. )utnk& +our honor, `t ksn't :ust yjstjrgky, th`s `s socjth`ne thkt ks su:jmt to ==

Lug'j& No hkrc, no foud kt th`s po`nt!

"r. Bo#$o%%& % knt you to kssucj thkt KJ# `rjg $r! Currky!

"! $o you hk-j == $o you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr or not thj == j ks k f`t kng mocpjtjnt$omtor for thjc to h`rj

K! +js!

"! hkt `s `t

K! hkt hj ks not!

"! Kng hkt s thj rjkson hy h`s km&eroung ks not su`tjg for th`s

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn, outs`gj thj smopj!

Lug'j& jdd, ?for th`s! ? rjcjcjr ==

"r. Bo#$o%%& 7or thj trjktcjnts of thj pk`n prodjcs, sdjjp prodjcs thkt j'-j kdrjkgy outd`njg

Lug'j& == hj pk`n kng grue gjpjngjnmy `s kdd %'-j kddojg h`c to offjr kt th`s po`nt!

"r. Bo#$o%%& +js, your honor!


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"#. Mkhkn& Ks&jg kng knsjrjg, ut ==

"r. Bo#$o%%& hj pk`n kng thj grue=rjdktjg prodjcs!

Lug'j& 1-jrrudjg!

"r. ]mhnodd& *oudg you ==

"r. Bo#$o%%& +js!

"r. ]mhnodd& %'c ejtt`ne dost hjrj!

"r. Bo#$o%%& % knt you to kssucj thkt KJ# `rjg $r! Currky!

"r. ]mhnodd& 1. yjkrs, s thkt rèht

K! hkt's morrjmt!

"! ;ut gur`ne thj dkst >. yjkrs, hk-j you rjck`njg `n-od-jg `n kg-`s`ne ck:or grue mocpkn`jsmonmjrn`ne trjktcjnt for grue=kgg`mtjg pjopdj

K! +js!

"! Kng krj you == k-j you ck`ntk`njg k murrjnmy `n thj ordg's d`tjrkturj rjekrg`ne trjktcjntoptòns for pjopdj ho hk-j grue prodjcs

K! +js!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn, ksjg on rjksonkdj cjg`mkd prok`d`ty, `f C`mhkjd 0km&son hkg jjnungjr thj mkrj of k f`t kng mocpjtjnt phys`m`kn, hj oudg hk-j jjn kdj to ejt off kdd cjg`mktòns,`nmdug`ne $jcjrod, ;jnAog`kAjp`njs kng Yropofod

K! +js, % hk-j kn op`nòn!

"! Kng hkt `s your op`nòn

K! %f h s ungjrdy`ne cjg`mkd mong`tòns, thj pk`n, thj `nsocn`k, hkg jjn kppropr`ktjdy trjktjg, hjcky hk-j jjn kdj to ejt off of thosj cjg`mktòns or jjn trjktjg kppropr`ktjdy for thosj prodjcs!

"! Kng `f t ks not poss`dj to ejt h`c to trjkt thj ungjrdy`ne mong`tòns `thout cjg`mktòn, go youhk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr hj moudg hk-j jjn propjrdy trjktjg `th cjg`mktòn y k f`t kngmocpjtjnt $omtorL

K! +js!

"! == 7or thosj skcj mong`tòns


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K! +js!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr `f hj'g hkg k f`t kng mocpjtjnt phys`m`kn, thkt hj oudghk-j jjn kdj to mont`nuj to pjrforc ks k cus`m`kn

K! +js!


K! hkt hj == j oudg hk-j jjn kdj to mont`nuj to pjrforc `f hj ks kppropr`ktjdy trjktjg for thjprodjcs thkt hj hkg!

"! Kng hkt &`ng of mkrj g`g hj njjg % th`n& you kdrjkgy sk`g `t ks ==

K! jdd, hj njjgjg == % cjkn, thj to ck:or prodjcs thkt %'c kkrj of jrj thj pk`n kng thj`nsocn`k, kng `f hj hkg socjonj ho ks &nodjgejkdj `n thj trjktcjnt of pk`n kng moudg hk-jtrjktjg h`s pk`n kppropr`ktjdy, `t oudg hk-j hjdpjg! Ckyj hk-`ne

K! Yhys`mkd thjrkp`st or socjonj d`&j thkt ks pkrt of thj eroup or&`ne `th h`c! Kng socjogyho ks mocpjtjnt `n ungjrstkng`ne sdjjp prodjcs, kng kpprokmhjg h`s sdjjp prodjcs `n k ky thktmoudg hk-j pro-`gjg h`c `th thj rjst thkt hj gjs`rjg!

"! oudg `t hk-j hkg kny jffjmt == %f hj hkg jjn propjrdy trjktjg, go you th`n& thkt hj oudg hk-jjjn kdj to mont`nuj to or& ks k cus`m`kn

K! +js!

"! oudg `t hk-j hkg kny jffjmt on shortjn`ne h`s or& d`fj ks k cus`m`kn

K! No, `t oudgn't!

"! % knt you to kssucj thkt C`mhkjd ks not kgg`mtjg to op`ktj grues `n .//9, ut ks gjpjngjnt onthjc! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn == 7`rst of kdd, go you th`n& hj ks gjpjngjnt on thjc n .//9

K! %'c not surj f hj ks! j cèht == Cèht hk-j jjn, ut thjrj's not k dot of j-`gjnmj to supportthkt!

"! jt's kssucj thkt hj ks == orst=mksj smjnkrò, thkt hj ks gjpjngjnt! $o you th`n& thkt t ksprokdj thkt propjr trjktcjnt oudg hk-j jjn kdj to jd`c`nktj h`s gjpjngjnmy

K! +js!

"! No % knt you to eo onj stjp furthjr! % knt to ks& you th`s! %'c not supposjg to ks& th`s5ujstòn! *oudg you j rone

K! *oudg % j rone

Lug'j& k`t k c`nutj! hkt's -keuj! Kout hkt


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"r. Bo#$o%%& +jkh, thkt `s -keuj! ;ut djt's kssucj == jt's kssucj thkt C`mhkjd rjkddy ks kgg`mtjgto grues `n .//9!

"! 7`rst of kdd, you gon't sjj kny j-`gjnmj to support thkt, `s thkt rèht

K! No, % gon't!

"! *oudg == ;ut f hj ks kgg`mtjg to == o $jcjrod `n .//9, go you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to h`sproenos`s for summjssfud trjktcjnt of kn kgg`mtòn == 1f h`s kgg`mtòn `f hj hkg hkg k f`t kng mocpjtjnt$omtor

K! +js, % go!

"! hkt's your op`nòn

K! j == j moudg hk-j jjn trjktjg == j moudg hk-j jjn kppropr`ktjdy trjktjg f hj hkg thj rèhtpjopdj k-k`dkdj to kss`st h`c `n thj trjktcjnt of h`s prodjc!

"! hkt ks h`s o-jrkdd phys`mkd mong`tòn, y thj ky, ks`gj froc kgg`mtòn=rjdktjg `ssujs, ks :ugejgy thj kutopsy

K! hj kutopsy sk`g hj ks rjkddy `n -jry eoog mong`tòn!

"! Kng g`g hj == oudg thkt hk-j jjn k eoog proenost`mkt`ne fkmtor `n tjrcs of h`s k`d`ty to mockth`s kgg`mtòn

K! +js!

"! *kn you tjdd cj hjthjr or not h`s hk-`ne k cothjr d`&j


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"! Kng, y thj ky, you sk`g thkt thj èejst fkmtor djkg`ne socjonj to j kn kgg`mt s == %s ejnjt`ms!% th`n& you sk`g thkt ks thj cost == %'c not surj jxkmtdy ho you phrksjg `t, ut thkt ks thj costsèn`f`mknt ==

K! hkt's k &jy fkmtor, yjs!

"! Kng ksjg on Cr! 0km&son's fkc dy, go you &no of knyogy `n h`s fkc`dy ho hkg kn kgg`mtònprodjc

K! No, % gon't!

"! %s thkt k eoog proenost`m fkmtor for h`c

K! +js!

"! $`g hj hk-j rjsourmjs to pky for thj jst trjktcjnt `f hj hkg mocj ungjr thj mkrj of k f`t kngmocpjtjnt $omtor

K! +js!

"! Kng `s thjrj knyth`ne == Kssuc`ne no thkt hj ks not kgg`mtjg, ut thkt hj hkg thosj pjrògs ofgrue gjpjngjnmy, `s thjrj knyth`ne kout thkt, kout h`s kgg`mtòn or h`s grue=gjpjngjnmy prodjc thktoudg prjsjnt kny d`fj=thrjktjn`ne s`tuktòn for h`c

K! No!

"! %s thjrj knyth`ne thkt oudg n kny ky mkusj h`c to g`j kn jkrdy d`fj == Kn jkrdy gjkth, ks $r!Jkrdjy sk`g hj ks ==

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn, outs`gj thj smopj! j's 5ukd`f`jg ks kn jxpjrt ondy on jffjmt of kgg`mtòn ond`fj jxpjmtknmy, not jffjmt of knyth`ne on d`fj jxpjmtknmy!

Lug'j& Mjphrksj `t!

"! $o you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr thj == Kny grue=gjpjngjnmy `ssujs, hkt thjy == Kny jffjmtthjy cèht hk-j hkg on h`s d`fj jxpjmtknmy

K! +js!

"! hkt `s thkt

K! hkt `f kppropr`ktjdy trjktjg, `t oudg hk-j hkg no jffjmt!

"! hkt krj thj prodjcs thkt == $o socj grue kgg`mts g`j jkrdy froc -kròus mkusjs

K! +js!

"! Kng hkt krj thj cost prj-kdjnt == hkt krj thj cost prj-kdjnt mkusjs for grue kgg`mts kng grue=


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gjpjngjnt pjopdj to g`j of

K! 1-jrgosj, `nfjmtòn krj -jry moccon!

"! %8

K! %8 , thkt's kn `nfjmtòn, yjs!

"! Kng hkt othjr `nfjmtòns

K! ;kmtjr`kd jngomkrg`t`s!

"! Kng ho == o go thjsj pjopdj ejt montkmt th thjsj `nfjmtòus th`nes %s `t thj grue tsjdf thktmkusjs thjc to montrkmt thjsj `nfjmtòns

K! No!

"! hkt mkusjs thjc to ejt thjsj `nfjmtòns

K! hj `nfjmtòns mocj froc `n:jmt`ne `th montkc`nktjg njjgdjs, njjgdjs j`thjr montkc`nktjg `thdoog froc socjogy ho hks %8 %nfjmtòn or k g`rty njjgdj thkt hks kmtjr`k on `t thkt rjsudts `n thjgj-jdopcjnt of kmtjr`kd jngomkrg`t`s or ksmjssjs!

"! oudg you jxpjmt k pjrson ho hks rjmj`-jg kdd of h`s trjktcjnt `th == 1f n:jmtkdj gruesthroueh mocpjtjnt phys`m`kns to montrkmt thosj &`ngs of `nfjmtòns

K! No!

"! Kng go you hk-j kn op`nòn ks to hjthjr or not, j-jn f hj hkg jjn kgg`mtjg, h`mh % &no youth`n& hj ksn't == ;ut `f hj ks kgg`mtjg, hjthjr or not, e`-jn propjr trjktcjnt, `t oudg hkg knyjffjmt on h`s d`fj jxpjmtknmy

K! +js!

"! Kng hkt `s thkt op`nòn

K! %f hj eot propjr trjktcjnt, hj oudg hk-j hkg k norckd d fj jxpjmtknmy!

"! Kng, y thj ky, krj thjrj grue=kgg`mtjg cus`m`kns, pjopdj ho hk-j hkg h`stor`js of gruekgg`mtòn kng cus`m`kns pdky`ne togky kftjr ckny yjkrs

K! +js!

"! *kn you nkcj k kng

K!


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K! E/ yjkrs!

"! Kng hks hj hkg kgg`mtòn prodjcs h s hodj d`fj

K! j's hkg ==

"#. Mkhkn& 1:jmtòn, mkdds for spjmudktòn, dkm&s foungktòn!

"! ;ksjg on your rj-`j of h`s oo&!! 1f h`s kutoòerkphy

Lug'j& ]ustk`njg! %f hj hks socj jxpjr`jnmj, thjn == ]ustk`njg!

"r. Bo#$o%%& 1 or jkrd`jr, hjn you jrj trjkt`ne pkt`jnts, to j j-kduktjgkng g`kenosjg ks kgg`mtjg or not to k cjg`mktòn, hkt oudg your or&up mons`st of

K! %f socjonj s moc`ne to cj for pk`n, kgg`mtòn, or oth

"! ]ky socjonj shos up kt your off`mj kng skys, ?$omtor, go you th`n& %'c == $o you th`n& %'c knop`ktj kgg`mt? hkt go you go

K! jdd, % oudg ekthjr k mocpdjtj h story on thkt pjrson, ks cumh `nforcktòn ks % moudg ejt onthjc `n rjdktòn to thj`r grue usj, `n rjdktòn to thj`r cjg`mkd h`story, fkc`dy h`story! %'g go k mocpdjtjphys`mkd on thjc, prokdy ejt k ur`nj tox`modoey smrjjn`ne on thjc!

"! 1< jt's tkd& kout jkmh of thosj! `story! hkt's you ks& thj pkt`jnt, ?tjdd cj kout your grueusj! jdd cj kout kny pk`n you'rj fjjd`ne! jdd cj kout your ejnjrkd hjkdth,? morrjmt

K! +js!

"! hjn you go k h`story `th thj pkt`jnt, you'rj rjdy`ne on thkt pkt`jnt to j honjst `th you, rèht


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K! +js!

"! o e`-j you truj kng mocpdjtj knsjrs

K! +js!

"! Kng thkt's socjth`ne thkt's n thj pkt`jnt's jst ntjrjst jmkusj thkt `dd kddo you to jst hjdpthjc, rèht

K! +js!

"! Krj thjrj j-jr t`cjs n your prkmt`mj `n thj tjns of thouskngs of pjopdj thkt you trjktjg hjrjpkt`jnts jrjn't forthmoc`ne `th you

K! +js!

"! hy oudg pkt`jnts not tjdd you thj truth kout thj`r cjg`mkd h story

K! hjrj oudg j ckny rjksons! hjy cèht try to h`gj socjth`ne, thjy cèht j monmjrnjg thkt `fthjy todg cj socjth`ne, `t oudg `nfdujnmj cj `n onj ky or knothjr!

"! $`g socj of thosj pkt`jnts not knt to stop us`ne grues

K! jdd, `f thjy mkcj to cj to trjkt thj`r kgg`mtòn, thjy usukddy mkcj jmkusj thjy kntjg to stopus`ne grues!

"! ;ut you'rj kkrj of s`tuktòns hjrj pjopdj krj formjg `nto rjhk or kn `n-oduntkry hodg kng krjkssjssjg for hjthjr thjy hk-j grue=kgg`mtòn `ssujs, rèht

K! +js!

"! ]o thjrj mkn j smjnkròs hjrj socjonj `s j`ne j-kduktjg ks k potjnt`kd kgg`mt hjrj thjy'rj not`ntjrjstjg `n ejtt`ne off grues

K! +js!

"! Kng `n thosj smjnkròs, s `t corj d`&jdy thkn k-jrkej thkt thj pjrson oudg not tjdd you j-jryth`nekout thj`r h`story of grue usj

K! % gon't &no! % gon't th`n& % j-jr doo&jg kt hjthjr `t ks corj or djss d`&jdy! ;ut, morrjmt, thjycèht not tjdd cj j-jryth`ne!

"! 1< Kng djt's tkd& kout == +ou ek-j kn jxkcpdj yjstjrgky of ho you t`trktj pjopdj on pk`ncjg`mktòn!

K! +js!

"! Kng ckyj thjy mocj kng sky thjy'rj kt k n`nj, kng you e`-j thjc socj cjg`mktòn, you sjj thjc


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prjtty soon kftjr, kng thjn thjy cèht sky thjy'rj kt k sj-jn, or thjy cky sky thkt thjy'rj kt k n`njkek`n

K! *orrjmt!

"! Kng you'rj trust`ne thkt thjy'rj e`-`ne you kn kmmurktj kmmount of ho thjy'rj fjjd`ne, rèht

K! *orrjmt!

"! +ou'rj kssuc`ne thkt thjy'rj not moc`ne to sjj you to ejt thj grues to ejt hèh, ut to trjkt thj`rpk`n

K! *orrjmt!

"! Kng thkt hjn thjy tjdd you thjy'rj st`dd kt k n`nj, thjy'rj st`dd kt k n`nj, kng thjy'rj not :ust go`ne `tto ejt corj grues, rèht

K! % kssucj thkt `n`t`kddy, yjs!

"! ]o thjrj's k mjrtk`n kcount of trust `nhjrjnt `n thj $omtorFpkt`jnt rjdktònsh`p

K! *orrjmt!

"! Kng `f your pkt`jnt `sn't forthmoc`ne `th you, not ondy mkn t j k prodjc for thj pkt`jnt, `t moudgj k prodjc for you, ks jdd

K! %t's corj of k prodjc for thj pkt`jnt thkn for cj!

"! Mèht! ;ut `f socjonj `s moc`ne to you kng sky`ne, you &no, ?% == %'c hk-`ne tjrr dj pk`n, %njjg 1p`ktjs for cy pk`n,? kng you'rj e`-`ne thjc 1p`ktjs ksjg on your ungjrstkng`ne thkt you'rjthj`r trjkt`ne phys`m`kn, ut thjy'rj kmtukddy eo`ne to sjj thrjj othjr $omtors, ejtt`ne prjsmr`ptòns frocthjc kng tk&`ne thosj 1p`ktjs, too, thkt's k prodjc, rèht

K! %t mkn j k prodjc, yjs!

"! oudg you mont`nuj to trjkt k pkt`jnt ho h`g thkt &`ng of `nforcktòn froc you

K! %t oudg gjpjng on k nucjr of g`ffjrjnt s`tuktòns on hjthjr or not %'g mont`nuj to trjkt thjc!

"! ;ut you'g hk-j to e`-j `t socj sjròus thoueht, rèht

K! % oud

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