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HussamAdeniLevel 4 251to 500 posts

posted 15 Oct, 2009 12:29

Engines all over the world are spewing GHG (Green House Gases), can readerssuggest steps or treatments to reduce these emissions for a cleaner and greenerworld tomorrow. Hussam

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rttechLevel 4 251to 500 posts

posted 23 Oct, 2009 01:40 Hide Post

Hi Hussam alcohol type fuels have a lot of those advantages of course, it's just findingenough for all our vehicles regards Rob S

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TimVipondLevel 5 501to 1000 posts

posted 16 Jan, 2010 23:36 Hide Post

Use lower friction, more fuel efficient, lower volatility motor oils. Use fuel and air system cleaners to keep engines clean for peak fuel efficiencyand performance. Here are a bunch of products that will do just that: www.amsoil.com Here is a brochure on reducing environmental impact:http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1059.pdf

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I understand there is a standard, ISO 14064 that qualifies for accrual of carboncredits for "reduction of Green House Gases (GHG). Will appreciate if readers can post/weblinks to oils or aftertreatments that meetISO 14064. Hussam Adeni

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Engines of today are mostly, Internal Combustion (IC) type and could be eitherSpark ignition or Diesel Compression. Years ago, when Otto designed the Dieselengines they were meant to run with earlier version of Petrol (Gasoline) &Diesel. Today, the environmental regulations have impacted the • Composition of fuel,Euro Fuels of today are “Unleaded,” have low to “no” Sulphur ( unintendedstripping in the amount of aromatics)• Additives in Engine Oil Phosphorus and Zinc (ZDDP) free, to extend life of exhaust filters.• and in Diesel engines the injector design, temperature and pressures.CRDI, higher temp and pressure of 3000 psi. Variants in fuels, like Biodiesel ( E10, E15) are now being mandated byGovernments to reduce dependence on petroleum products and to a lesserextent 10 to 15% reduction in emissions. The Otto engines being robust caneasily tolerate 15% “dilution” with Ethanol, largely because the RON of Ethanol isbetwwen 115 to 129 and higher than the RON ( 85 to 98 in Premium fuels) ofFuels today. There is no escape, from the fact, that the chemical reaction in any IC engineswill result in release of Carbon dioxide, Nitrogen oxide(s), moisture (water) andto a lesser extent Carbon monoxide. Needless to say the unburnt component offuel ( C, HC = PM) will also exit through the exhaust. This means all IC engineswill, by and large, release Green House Gases (GHG). The need of today, is alternative energy and in reality, “alternative engines,” aswell. But this cannot happen overnight. Till such time an equally robust“alternative engine” is mass produced, we have to live with the Petrol/Dieselpowered IC engines. The option till then, is to mitigate the GHG emissions by “aftertreatments,” thatreduce GHG. For any initiative/ programme to succeed, it is necessary that“targets” are set and incentives are rolled out . Kyoto Protocol was one suchinitiative, and 40% of the Carbon credits are ploughed back into the governenceand management of the reduction of GHG emissions. The balance 60% may beshared with the manufacturer ( of product/equipment that reduces GHG) and thefuel user who made it happen (reduced fuel consumption/emissions in his ICengines.). A standard has been put into place, and ISO 14064 has been set up to document,log and record reduction of GHG and thereby accrue, tradable Carbon credits. It would be interesting to know of products, available today, that meet ISO14064. Hussam


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2/26/2017 acceptable increase in viscosity for motor oil Topic


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DonaldLevel 1 1 to50 posts

posted 5 Apr, 2005 07:12

What is considered an acceptable increase in viscosity for gas powered vehicles(cars). My feeling is it needs to stay in grade to be normal and if its more than+/ 25% of original viscosity then its critical and an oil change is needed. Yetothers say it can go up one grade and still be OK, but needs to be changed if itgoes up two grades.

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posted 1 Jun, 2005 22:58 Hide Post

I would agree to +/ 20% change in viscosity. By viscosity I mean ISO VGviscosity grade. Pls do not misinterpret SAE grade in the relationship. The ISO VG is arranged in such a way that at the lower values it can go across"grades" but at the higher values it is likely to stay within the same ISO VGgrade. Hussam Adeni


MikhailLevel 1 1 to50 posts


Donald,May be it will useful for you:http://www.natrib.com/appnotes/app30.htmGood Lack, Mikhail

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Mikhail, Excellent reference. Many thanks. Hussam Adeni



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FerojeAlamLevel 1 1 to50 posts

posted 8 May, 2015 06:44

What are reason for additive metal depletion in used oil?Some of our analysis attends additive metal deplete from fresh oil value by 50% Feroje AlamChevron Bangladesh

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NNKMenonLevel 3 101to 250 posts

posted 26 Aug, 2015 22:30 Hide Post

Most of the additives are metalic salts and suicidal types. Especially TBNetc.....during usage, it will get consumed and this leads to depletion

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Menon, has rightly pointed out, that most additives are "Metallic salts," however,I would like to use the word "additives are sacrificial." Thus, they get depleted inuse.



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2/26/2017 Airentrapment in Fresh Barrel of Open gear Lubes Topic


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ArupanjanLevel 3 101to 250 posts

posted 17 Jun, 2004 23:09

Can somebody throw ligh on how there can be air entrapment and hence airbubbles inside a fresh open gear lubricants barrels? Is it because of the fillingprocess or greases physical properties?These air bubbles causes erratic functions of pumps and lubrcantion systems.regards. Arupanjan Mukherji

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LuisVelascoLevel 2 51 to100 posts


Arupanjan,That is a factory/packer facility filling area problem. It not only causes erraticoperation in your lubrication systems. It also give you false level readings. Question: Did you notice a weight diference in this barrels?

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its ok by weight but the volume may be effected so how do you eliminate this?regards Arupanjan Mukherji



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Arup, This is classic packing and handling problem. I encountered this problem whenwe supplied hi temp grease to a Sponge Iron Plant, where a grease pump wasuse to deliver the grease to the sealant area. Due to loose packing the deliverywas intermittent leading to failure in application. My second experience was with "cable filling compound". Jelly filled telephonecables were popular before optic fibre was introduced. Due to an accidentbarrels were damaged in transit, due to urgency the 'dented barrels' were sentto production lines. Cables manufactured on that date failed in the Type test forwater penetration. Indicating intermittent filling of the compound.



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vijayLevel 1 1 to50 posts


One way of solving this problem could be using a follower plate in the greasebarrel which goes down as the grease level goes down in the barrel.This isnormally used for solving the slumapability problem of some greases. Vijay

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Vijay, Excellent idea. Could it be possible that hot filling also results in "air pockets." A good analogy would be the NLGI measurement for greases, which demands"worked penetration" thereby ensuring consistency. Hussam Adeni


TapasLevel 1 1 to50 posts


HI ALL!Well the basic issue for the problem has not been addressed and thus I feel it ispartinent to mention what I know about the problem, and its possible solusion!The air entrapment is due to the psycal activity of filling the oil at high pressureand may be at high temperature also into the barrel. Ususally a good quality oilshould have a reasonable AirRelease Value for it so that the entraped airbubbles pickedup during the oils filling / churning operations should getreleased from the body of the oil and thus very little is left as traped air insidethe oil. However, if this aspect is not addressed during the formulation / QC of thefinished product, then to pass the Foaming Characteristics of the oil, defoamentis added and that may jeoperdise the Air Release Value for the oil. Thus therehas to be a balence of both the properties to have a good overall quality of theoil, whether it is a Industrial Gear Oil or a Hydraulic Oil!

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Tapas, What you say is valid for fluids or oils. But the reference here, is for NonNewtonian fluids like Open Gears (Viscosity 1000 Cst plus)or for greases. Hussam Adeni




Dear Mr VijayBut the open gear greases are suppose to be slumpable and we have not seenany follower plates.But would you tell me if a 0 00 consistency grease can be non slumpable.How do you handle this problem if there is a dent in the drum?!!!!!!!!!!! Arupanjan Mukherji



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Dear Arupanjan,You are right.Open gear greases are suppose to be slumpable.But there aresome grades which are not slumpable and there is no test for slumpability.Sothe best way is to have a follower plate.I know of one customer he had aproblem of slumpability which was solved by putting a follower plate in the drumwhich goes down along the level of the the grease.There could be two greases having the same NLGI Grade(penetration) butdifferent slumpability.Vijay



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But when we have a dent in the drum due to handling and the pump inside thelibes like Lincoln system, how do we approach this problem? Arupanjan Mukherji


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posted 19 Nov, 2004 06:21 Hide Post

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Originally posted by Arupanjan:But when we have a dent in the drum due to handling and the pumpinside the libes like Lincoln system, how do we approach thisproblem?

In this case you are pretty much out of luck. In the future, inspect deliveredbarrels at the point of delivery and reject ones that are dented. John M.http://www.hydropowerlubrication.com

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2/26/2017 Alarm Limits Topic


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posted 21 May, 2004 08:51

Can someone tell me the alarm limits for wear metals and contaminations forCaterpillar Engines? Where can I scare up some more information? Thanks a priory. Mikhail



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Mikhaia, Pls visit the Caterpillar website for details on lubes please visit www.caterpillar.com/services/shared/parts_n_service/05_fluids/05_service_publications/pdf/SEBU638506.pdf Trust the details provided are what you are seeking. Hussam Adeni


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To be honest, most figures generated by OEM's do not accurately representtarget cleanliness levels for most equipment. You should set your own targets inrelation to contamination dependant on machine criticality, environment in whichit is used and other factors that may effect its operation. There is no point inmaintaining an extremely clean system if it costs more in filtration then if youactually had a breakdown, so be sure to not overshoot the mark by too much. Inall, it may pay to hire a professional to help you achieve the required balance.On another note, the only reason I would recommend this over OEMrecommendations would be because I have seen some rather odd figures fromCAT. Hands up from anyone who agrees with a 20/17 being an exceptable limitfor a machine with servo valves?

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Lube MATELevel 2 51 to100 posts


Hussam, The link you posted is not valid, any chance of an updated link.



Thanks.

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Lubemate, While I have taken the address from an old database. www.mmel.biz is accessable. Details are pasted in the attachment. Regret inconvenuience. Hussam Adeni




Lubemate, While I have taken the address from an old database. www.mmel.biz is accessable. www.mmel.com is up for sale. Regret inconvenience. Hussam Adeni


adamsdLevel 1 1 to50 posts


A word of caution to anyone starting to build alarms for Caterpillar equipment,size does matter. In larger Caterpillar engines the wear metals are above the 24 micron size that a typical lab tests. On a similar note, know what your lab istelling you. The different lab test and equipment will give you different results.While most labs will give you the same baseline the results but the differencebetween 2, 4, 6, 8 microns and up to 100 micron can be the difference of anengine block or not. In the end there is no substitute for trend data from yourfleet with your own duty cycles and consistent lab data.

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Maybe also useful (I already send you this one Mikhail): Information on the Scheduled Oil Analysis of CAT:http://www.caterpillar.com/services/shared/parts_n_service/09_SOS_program/01_introduction/introduction.html (just to make the topic more understandable...)

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Thanks for all.I was visit Caterpillar website and I saw the table that show alarm limits forCaterpillar Engines. But this table not shows Alarm Limits for Wear Metals. I was



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find these Limits on website of National Tribology Services(www.natrib.com/appnotes.htm)These Limits are following:Oil Analysis Test Caterpillar(all models) Cummins(all models) Detroit Diesel(allmodels)Spectroscopy, Iron 100 ppm 84 ppm 150 ppmSpectroscopy, Copper 45 ppm 20 ppm 90 ppmSpectroscopy, Lead 100 ppm 100 ppm none specifiedSpectroscopy, Aluminium 15 ppm 15 ppm none specifiedSpectroscopy, Chromium 15 ppm 15 ppm none specifiedSpectroscopy, Tin 20 ppm 20 ppm none specifiedSpectroscopy, Sodium 40 ppm 20 ppm 50 ppmSpectroscopy, Boron 20 ppm 25 ppm 20 ppmSpectroscopy, Silicon 10 ppm 15 ppm none specifiedViscosity +20 % to 10 % of nominal SAE grade +/ 1 SAE grade or 4 Cst fromnew oil (Visc @ 100 ° C) +40 % to 15% of nominal grade (Visc @ 40 ° C)Water 0.25% max 0.2% max. 0.3% maxTBN 1.0 mg KOH/g min value 2.0 mg KOH/g min., or onehalf of new oil value,or equal to TAN 1.0 mg KOH/g min valueFuel Dilution 5% max. 5% max 2.5% maxGlycol Dilution 0.1% max 0.1% max 0.1% max.Ferrography on exceptions on exceptions on exceptions May be it will be useful for anyone. Mikhail


BalaLevel 1 1 to50 posts


Mikhail, Interpretation is not just comparing wear limits.Wear limits established byOEM's isstatisticaly derived,and should be used asguidelines only.Alarm limits has to be established by trendingapproach,correlatingfield report with oil analysis reports. Trend can be established by analysing three samples at regular intervals.Anygross deviation from baseline signals problems.There are several factors which affect wearof engines.Overloading,Overspeeding,High operatingtemperatures,Environment,Operatingpractices,Lubricant properties,contamination,sampling procedures...all affect wear datas. When data reaches moderate level,sampling intervals has to be cutshortened,engine performance tests has to be carried out. Nevertear down engine based on single sample analysis.Several customers burnttheir fingersby wrong conclusions. Worldwide cat dealers has excellent product support lab to help your needs. Bala.

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posted 5 Sep, 2016 20:52

Hello guys, I'd like to know if the base oil recovered from used oil rerefining processes is100% pure or not? please reply. Thanks in advance

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Yes. Most of the Lube oils generally get oxidised in use. Unless used oils are mixedup with other oils and or get emulsified or contaminated in storage, they can besuitably re refined. During modern re refining process, referred to as a combination of Thin FilmEvaporation and Vacuum Distillation the used oils, undergo a multiple stageoperation. 1. Dehydration 2. Diesel stripping 3. Vacuum Distillation. 4. Hydrofinishing. In comparison, base oil from Crude Oil refining, would have already passedthrough multiple fractional distillation, as it is an intermediate process. Insummary, the process involves: 1. Fractional Distillation2. Solvent extraction3, Hydrofinishing Used oil is often further treated by a Filteration / Clarifying process to improvecolour and smell. The end result is a rerefined Base Oil that makes it at par,with fresh Group I Base Oils.



2/26/2017 Borate additive in gear oils Topic


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ReneWALevel 3 101to 250 posts

posted 8 Dec, 2009 08:05

I have a question with respect to the use of borate additive in gear oils andhoping to find some answers from fellow forum members. Is the borate usually in a hydrated form i.e. does it contain a certain amount ofwater to keep the borate additive in suspension? I have heard that this is about0.2% water?? Is the stability of the borate additive affected by water ingression/contaminationof the gear box how much water minimum would typically affect the stability? Many thanks

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MichelleLevel 1 1 to50 posts

posted 8 Dec, 2009 13:32 Hide Post

I can tell you that water contamination in a borate oil can cause additivedropout. It is seen as a very fine light grey / white powder on the patch if afilter patch test is carried out. Sorry, cannot give you an exact minimum amountof water that would affect the stability.

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Dr. Ali Erdemir, a tribologist, discovered that Hydrated Boron Molecules, milledto under 1 micron (100X smaller than bacteria) form a permanent and selfreplenishing bond to any metal alloy thus creating a surface with a frictioncoefficient under 0.01. The result is an 80% reduction in surface friction and90% reduction in component wearDeveloped to treat engines, gearboxes, automatic transmission and fuel system,these one time treatments reduce surface friction and wear resulting in theextended life of the fluid system while reducing energy usage and increasinghorsepower. ASTM testing resulted in reducing the surface friction coefficientunder 0.01. MotorSilk™ is not an oil conditioner and does not disrupt the oilsadditive package. Once the Boron CLS Bond® enters the oil it begins to form acovalent bond with the metal alloy penetrating all carbon, varnish or corrosionforming a neardiamond hard boric oxide surface, thus protecting all vitalworking components against wear and corrosion activity. This new surfaceblocks oxygen and moisture to dramatically reduce the oxidation process of thelubricant. Typical applications include: Engine TreatmentDiesel and Gas Fuel System Treatmentand Automatic Transmission treatment



Link to the above info is given below for ready referencehttps://www.evergreenamerica.c...083&CFTOKEN=33197881 Hussam Adeni




Some more details on the Boron CLS Bond. The Boron CLS Bond® is based on the intricate crystal lattice structure (CLS) ofthe hydrated boron molecules. This lattice structure allows the layers ofhydrated boron particles to slide virtually frictionfree over each other, like theplaying cards in a fresh deck. The emulsified hydrated boron reaches everymetal surface and crevice, lifting off all carbon, varnish and corrosion whilelubricating as it chemically bonds with the host material. NO other anti wearboundary lubricant can chemically bond to metal which sets this technologyapart from all other boundary lubricants. Hussam Adeni




Dear ReneWa, Boron CLS Bond, in the form of an "Orthoborate" is packaged in a "hydrated"form and water/moisture is an integral part of the Boron CLS Bond Technology.It is also self repleshening and draws upon the moisture in the air for the cycle. Hussam Adeni


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Many thanks for your replies Hussam & Michelle.

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stuart_ALSLevel 1 1 to50 posts


Does anyone know if EP borate oils such as RPM Borate EP 460 have a specifictemperature at which the crackle test can be run to only detect additive?We are having issues conducting a crackle confirmation for water on these oilsand were hoping there was a certain temperature we could set the hot plate todetect borate additives, say 60degrees, and a separate one for water?

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Hot plate temp upto 160 Deg C is ideal for detecting free water. Violent cracklingcould indicate more than 0.2% ( plus 2000 ppm free water.). When products are in hydrated form of a compound. it may be difficult to assesswater content. Hussam


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Originally posted by Hussam Adeni:...Hydrated Boron Molecules, milled to under 1 micron (100X smallerthan bacteria)Hussam Adeni

Mr Hussam Adeni. I must disagree with a small part of your argument, regarding the size ofbacteria, i must quote: Bacteria range in size from 0.22 microns in width or diameter, and up to 110microns in length for the nonspherical species. The largest known bacterium isThiomargarita namibiensis, with spheroidal diameters from 100750 microns.Spherical bacteria as small as 50500 nm in diameter have been reported. Robert A. Freitas Jr., Ralph C. Merkle, Kinematic SelfReplicating Machines,Landes Bioscience, Georgetown, TX, 2004. On the other hand, the info about the improvements on lubrication that borongives, is really interesting, as a matter of fact i remember an article thatappeared on Journal of tribology "A PinonDisk Experimental Studyon a Green ParticulateFluid Lubricant" october 2008 and other one at Tribologyan lubrication technology "Boron based ionic compounds" May 2009.Both of them, really interesting. "Performance Profiling of Boric Acid as Lubricant in Machining" At Journal of thebraz. soc. of mech. sci & eng.

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posted 24 Jul, 2016 12:37

Hello Everyone, I'm trying to make brake Fluid. Can you suggest me formulation?I'm using DEG 35% and Butyl Carbitol 65%. I need ERBP more than 236 DegreeC and Viscosity @ 40 should be less than 1000. Thanks

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If you connect with Chemicals/Additive companies they will provide formulationsthat the Chem/Additive cos will assure will meet the DOT 3 or DOT 4 levels. By soliciting in open forums like this you may get formulations, but they will,probably NOT, have backing essentially required to meet the stringent DOT3 orDOT 4 performance levels.



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SteveLevel 1 1 to50 posts

posted 14 May, 2004 18:39

Hello I was wondering about anoil called Brayco Micronic HT200 can the followingtypes of oil be used instead of the above?Brayco Micronic 864 HT200Brayco Micronic SV 200Brayco Micronic synthetic oil Also which of the above are miscible?

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Steve. The oil Brayco Micronic HT 200 is actually the same as Castrol Brayco Micronic864 HT200 (Synthetic Hydrocarbon Based Subsea Control Fluid). 'Castrol Brayco Micronic SV/200 has similar physical characteristics to theCastrol Brayco Micronic 864HT/200 and 865 grades. Extensive physical, chemicaland performance testing has demonstrated that Castrol Brayco Micronic SV/200is fully compatible and miscible in all proportions with the Castrol BraycoMicronic 864HT/200, 865 grades as well as the low viscosity syntetic CastrolBrayco Micronic LV/200'..From castrolsubsea.com I recommend their web site for more excellent information on ther specialfluids. Here is an direct link:http://www.castrolsubsea.com/bcweb/subseadownloads.nsf/frmWelcome?OpenForm

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mr Hughes, I would like to compliment you on the excellent response with a detailedtechnical reply. Replies like yours, will make the forum useful to the lubricant specialists andalso amateur and layman Lube specialists. Hussam Adeni

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Mr. Hughes Thank you for your reply it was both detailed and enlightning. I am relatively newto the oil industry and i am begining to find the ropes, but help from other moreexperienced lube specialists is greatly appreciated.Many thanks

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Originally posted by mr. Hughes:Steve. The oil Brayco Micronic HT 200 is actually the same as Castrol BraycoMicronic 864 HT200 (Synthetic Hydrocarbon Based Subsea ControlFluid). 'Castrol Brayco Micronic SV/200 has similar physical characteristics tothe Castrol Brayco Micronic 864HT/200 and 865 grades. Extensivephysical, chemical and performance testing has demonstrated thatCastrol Brayco Micronic SV/200 is fully compatible and miscible in allproportions with the Castrol Brayco Micronic 864HT/200, 865 grades aswell as the low viscosity syntetic Castrol Brayco Micronic LV/200'..From castrolsubsea.com I recommend their web site for more excellent information on therspecial fluids. Here is an direct link:http://www.castrolsubsea.com/bcweb/subseadownloads.nsf/frmWelcome?OpenForm

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2/26/2017 Cement Kiln Pinion Gear Grease Spray System Topic


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KarlNielsonLevel 1 1 to50 posts

posted 18 May, 2004 01:57

We are haveing problems with a new Lincoln airless grease spray system on acement kiln.I'm looking for recomendations for another spray system that is working. Weare useing Fuch Ceplattyn KG10LC Grease.ThanksKarl

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What type of problems are your having with the system?

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Karl, [email protected] is Cement and Steel Plant expert. A Tribol & OptimolSales & Service Manager in India for about 10 years, he is now with OKS India.Pls contact him directly. Hussam Adeni




Dear KarlAs Adeni said, I have seen Ceplattyn KG10LC only with Nozzles of HSA TD 25/26and they are all with air for atomising. As ceplattyn KG10LC with a base oilviscosity of 16000cst will definitely require air for spraying I am not aware of asystem that will work ok without air.The most critcal question is what is the problemwas this problem generated after using this new Fuchs product and what was theearllier lubricant?who suggested to use KG10 LC in this system and what doees Lincoln approve?if you pl reply to these. Arupanjan Mukherji



2/26/2017 Compatability test of greases Topic


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Compatability test of greases Welcome, Hussam Adeni [Logout]

FRANKYZAVIERLevel 2 51 to100 posts

posted 21 May, 2004 16:46

Can anyone suggest some ASTM methods of conducting compatability tests withsimiliar soap greases?

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Franky, I do not recall seeing ASTM test method for compatibility of Greases. I wonder ifit exists. Hussam Adeni




I agree with Adeni and I think it is done with a 50 50 mixup of grease andsubjecting to worked penetration test to see the hardening and sofeting of themixture and then see the sample is within the prescribed limit or changingconsistency, and they are according to ASTM methods.regards Arupanjan Mukherji


AlanWallaceLevel 3 101to 250 posts


The generally accepted testing (basic) for grease compatability is to mix the 2samples 25 7550 5075 25and to conduct the ASTM D183194el Standard Test for Roll Stability ofLubricating Greaseand then to conduct the ASTM D21797 Standard Test for Cone Penetration ofLubricating Grease. Now comes the fun part. At what level or percentage of change are you as theend user going to accept/reject. And based on what performance criteria? Thethinking is that if the 2 lubes are compatable then there will be a small changein the grease consistency. If there is a big change after the 2 hour test then youwould assume that the 2 lubes are incompatable.

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regards.....

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Allan Should we also consider drop point ' C of the mixture ? What percentage Change in penetration number is acceptable? Should it stay inrange of NLGI specification or 5% change of the individual grease is tolerable? Your views please Franky




You are right.The grease compatibility tests are done as per ASTM D 6185 inwhich Penetration, drop point and high temperature tests are done on90:10,10:90,25:75,75:25 and 50:50 mixtures of greases.Depending upon thecriticality of application Tribology tests are also recommended.Normally,if the bases are same they should be compatable.There is also a chart showing which grease is compatable with other grease.Thanks




Vijay That's what I was looking for , as customers need confirmation. Thanks Franky



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2/26/2017 Conoco Graphlube 30 Topic


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Conoco Graphlube 30 Welcome, Hussam Adeni [Logout]

Mark K.Level 1 1 to50 posts

posted 9 Jan, 2004 19:31

Does anyone know what a crossover for Conoco Graphlube 30 would be? Couldwe possibly use Antisieze in it's place?

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DfoleyLevel 1 1 to50 posts


Whats the application?

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Mark K.Level 1 1 to50 posts


The application is the bottom bearing on a cooling tower pump. The pump has 2bearings, the upper one lubricated with water, as it sits in the stream, but thebottom one sits just below the input, so it has no water to lubricate it. It callsfor Conoco Graphlube 30 to be packed along the shaft so a little bit of it can bepushed into the bearing.ThanksMark K.

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Dear Mark, Seems to be a graphited grease possibly NLGI 3. Anti seize seems a good bet. Hussam Adeni


MFussell2316Level 1 1 to 50posts


Try Lubrication Engineers 3752 Almagard or 1275 Almaplex grease. Both areexcellent greases and will do a FANTASTIC job for you on cooling towers. Email me at [email protected] if you'd like.

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GreaseSpecLevel 3 101to 250 posts

posted 7 Mar, 2004 10:18 Hide Post

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No, do not use an antiseize, these are two different things. You can use acompounded open gear grease NLGI 2 or 3. ANti seize has too high content ofsolids and will dry out too soon.

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