ne78a detail specs clarifications and updates
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Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A: NE78A Detail Specs Clarifications and Updates General Invicta Watch Discussions crunky80 48 1083 03-09-2011 07:36 AM Special Announcement – THURSDAY Version of SUNDAY... Invicta Announcements and Sunday Run CecilG41 706 17492 03-01-2011 04:57 PM #2 03-09-2011, 07:51 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 325 WatchGeeks VIP Senior Geek NE78A Detail Specs Clarifications and Updates Send a private message to TeamInvicta TeamInvictaTRANSCRIPT
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NE78A Detail Specs Clarifications and Updates
Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A:
The movement has a 28,800 VPH Frequency, same as the Valjoux 7750 and not 36,000, we
will adjust all Specs relating to this movement. All NE78A calibers are made in JAPAN. This
caliber does have a 45 hour power reserve. The watch (mainspring) is fully wound by
turning the crown 55 times. If you plan to use a watch winder for this model, the rotary
speed can be set at 30rpm, and will be fully charged within 60 minutes. Watch does contain
34 Jewels.
Thank you, Team Invicta
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03-09-2011, 07:51 AM
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That's cool. Thanks for the update.
Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway?
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03-09-2011, 07:51 AM
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Thanks Eyal that clears things up a bit. Is there a reason why the chrono hand mimmicks a
quartz? Thanks.
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03-09-2011, 08:10 AM
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***NE78A Detail Specs Calcs and Updates***
Thanks for the informative update re: the NEW SII Caliber NE78A movement.
Have a good one.
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03-09-2011, 08:27 AM
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Wow bpm r the same as Val 7750. But the price is certainly less
I can live with that
I'm n now on the 2 tone
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Thanks for the update, Eyal!
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03-09-2011, 11:54 AM
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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares?
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03-09-2011, 12:10 PM
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Interesting...It still a great looking watch...I tried to 'google' the
movement specs and came up with nothing..is the NE78A
movement used in any other brands Seiko or otherwise..Are
there any independent sources that can corroborate this vph
discrepancy..Who first reported the NE78A movement as being
3600 and how was that info misconstrued..Thanks Eyal for
setting the record straight..
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03-09-2011, 12:55 PM
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Sounds like the SII version of the Cal8R28.
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03-09-2011, 01:03 PM
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Does'nt seem like anything special anymore,would rather have a val. 7750 now.
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Ur right
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Does'nt seem like anything special anymore,would rather have a val. 7750 now.
Great looking watch but not special as originally represented
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Glad to see this is cleared up... I remember when I first saw it air, I noticed the chrono-hand
wasn't sweeping anywhere as smooth as a 36,000 bph movement should, so I'm not too
surprised to hear this. I imagine that early purchasers of the Ocean Speedway with this
movement might be a little disappointed when they see this.
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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares?
People that originally bought the Ocean Speedway with this particular movement thinking
that they were getting a 36,000 bph movement probably care, because I know I would.
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Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway?
It probably originated from people noticing that the chrono-seconds hand wasn't sweeping as
smooth as it should be for an advertised 36,000 bph movement at the time.
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03-09-2011, 01:28 PM
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The real question is why wasn't this oversight caught at the
timepieces debut??
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I'll take my speedway DD over this one all day long,now thats a special watch
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03-09-2011, 03:18 PM
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Does this movement feature a vertical clutch an column/pillar wheel? These are what to me,
seperate it from something like a 7750. If it does indeed have a clutch, this may explain the
skipping behavior if it was slipping or badly adjusted?
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Thanks for the Heads Up on the beat count. I still think that speedway is the best looking
new version yet, auto or quartz.
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I for one appreciate the honesty and the correction. I was considering this piece and I am
not sure how the info effects my decision.
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I appreciate honesty as well..its the timing I question...Why
weren't the correct specs on the movement not know or
communicated through proper channels at the timepieces
debut and how many geeks bought the watch thinking the VPH
was one thing when it was actually another..Not an
unreasonable question in my book..
Still in all a beautiful timepiece and I do appreciate Mr. Eyal
Lalo making amends with respect to the movements VPH..It
shows professionalism and that he is a good sport..I'm sure he
is an incredibly busy man with his job and his family..and few if
any CEO's would come out and make this statement...
Well done Mr. Lalo
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So what's up with the chrono seconds hand? Is it suppose to studer like that? The chrono
seconds hands operation was the true reason people did not purchase this watch. Even if it
operates at 28,800 bph it should have a very smooth sweeping chrono seconds hand; has
anyone that has purchased this watch received one with a smooth operating chrono seconds
hand? I'm just asking, I would like to know.
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03-09-2011, 05:46 PM
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I believe it is as smooth as the second hand on my Pro Diver with the SW200.
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Who cares?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AclayPS3
Glad to see this is cleared up... I remember when I first saw it air, I noticed the chrono-
hand wasn't sweeping anywhere as smooth as a 36,000 bph movement should, so I'm not
too surprised to hear this. I imagine that early purchasers of the Ocean Speedway with this
movement might be a little disappointed when they see this.
People that originally bought the Ocean Speedway with this particular movement thinking
that they were getting a 36,000 bph movement probably care, because I know I would.
It probably originated from people noticing that the chrono-seconds hand wasn't sweeping
as smooth as it should be for an advertised 36,000 bph movement at the time.
I would have cared, very much so !!!
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good lookin out thanks for the update
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03-09-2011, 06:36 PM
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I was happy to see Invicta posted a correction on the movement. I would think someone in
Invicta knew the correct VPH when the movements were purchased. Appears there's a
communications problem somewhere in the organization i.e., the correct specs weren't given
to the marketing department. Someone dropped the ball. It's good that the correction came
from Invicta first, then being discovered later and disclosed.
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Seriously....why does Invicta keep on claiming things that's not correct and then
when enough arguments are raised all over watch forums, then a "clarification
thread" comes up correcting the initial claims.
It has happened in the past with FF, Tritnite, Swiss Made controversy, sandstone
dials, etc.
For once, please stop claiming things which are not.......its no surprise most people
outside ShopNBC circle and this forum, will never touch any Invicta by a mile.
As much as I defend this brand on other watch forums, these things don't help in
any way.
To think people unknowingly believed this was a "v7750 equivalent".
On top of that, I believe Jim mentioned that this movement may have been more
expensive to implement than V7750. Any links to support that?
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Can't argue with da man n red above. It does take away some of the impressiveness of the
watch. When Jim starts his piece w a moment of silence for watch with such high beats u
think that should b accrate info
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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares?
I do and its a deal breaker for me.
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03-09-2011, 08:10 PM
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I'm just wondering how many people will send them back because of this discrepency,they
are still within the shops 30 day return policy
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I'm just wondering how many people will send them back because of this discrepency,they
are still within the shops 30 day return policy
It's a good question, and we'll never know. For one thing, WGs were not the majority of the buyers for these models; we rarely are.
Though, it seems like we are a huge forum with thousands and thousands of members, we only have a handful of active members
and our collective buying power likely pales in comparison to the huge segment of the viewers that ShopNBC can reach out to.
In this forum particularly, we have Invicta "die hard" fans that will
not be significantly swayed by this new development. If the watch looks good and tells time to within reasonable accuracy (a subjective
criteria), they will keep the watch and cheer that more may be in the works in the future.
But, there are a number of collectors that were probably heavily
influenced by the perceived "exclusivity" (something oftentimes touted on ShopNBC sales) of owning a movement with 36,000 VPH.
The watch was heavily marketed on this particular oddity. So, for those folks, this will devalue - if that's the right word - this watch in
their eyes.
For me, purchasing a new - relatively "untested" movement - would
not be a consideration at this juncture. However, the watch design is
very nice and I congratulate current and future owners. But, I won't be one of those fortunate few. I'd rather wait and see what else
develops out of this new movement and Invicta.
I'm actually surprised that this oversight was not caught earlier. I
mean, the actual watch was presented on ShopNBC as having a 36,000 VPH movement. Anyway, congrats to the owners of this
watch and I wish them lots of luck with them. Those watches look
great.
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03-09-2011, 08:36 PM
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Just finished reading your comments and asked my self what else I would add, and realized
you nicely/rationally covered all the bases, at least from my point of view. That said, all I've
got to say is - here, here.
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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from Seiko's
subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements VPH at
the time the sale was contracted??
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Invicta, why not just buy the movement from Zenith? I know they still supply to Parmigiani
so you should still be able to get them. Then you can 100% make a 36,000 VPM watch.
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The more I read on this site n on the net I'm feeling mis lead n deceived. I re watched jims
initial video on shop n between what he n mike say this is wrong on mAny levels
Without sounding like a hater I feel deceived
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Very well said. I agree with you. For those that care about exclusivity this is a big deal or
possible deal breaker.
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Just finished reading your comments and asked my self what else I would add, and
realized you nicely/rationally covered all the bases, at least from my point of view. That
said, all I've got to say is - here, here.
Thanks, Brad.
Quote:
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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from
Seiko's subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements
VPH at the time the sale was contracted??
Jon
Though it would certainly put Invicta "off" the proverbial hook to assume that maybe they were not informed as to what they were
purchasing, I would imagine that a) Invicta must truly delve into what they are buying when they purchase and b) Invicta surely has
at least a couple of watch makers test one, or two, of the watches for
QC's sake.
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Sorry . . . to hear about this significant mistake.
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Unfortunately, those who purchased this watch for its "high beat" movement, but who don't
belong to watch forums or happen to read an updated spec sheet on ShopNBC's website will
never know that their watches aren't quite as advertised unless they happen to watch future
presentations with updated info.
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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from
Seiko's subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements
VPH at the time the sale was contracted??
Jon
Do you think they would order a high end movement without first knowing the VPH? That
was the main selling point of the watch the 36,000 VPH. I'm sure this question was asked
prior to purchase.
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03-09-2011, 09:49 PM
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I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they bought
the movements the correct VPH..then they must have known
the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller gave
Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm
hoping that it is a communication error and not something
else..
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I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they
bought the movements the correct VPH..then they must have
known the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller
gave Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm
hoping that it is a communication error and not something
else..
Jon
Jon,
There are many unanswered questions. Unless Invicta supplies additional information all our
posts are just speculation. Hopefully we'll get additional information from TeamInvicta or
Invicta shows on SNBC.
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I hope so too, Jerry..Speculation and insinuation without
knowing all the facts is dangerous....I, as well as every other
geek, would like to know all the facts..(especially those who
purchased the Speedway for the VPH alone) The VPH was
made very clear as a key attribute of the movement.. And I
believe is one of the main reason why at least some geeks
purchased the watch..
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Do u really think
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Jon,
There are many unanswered questions. Unless Invicta supplies additional information all
our posts are just speculation. Hopefully we'll get additional information from TeamInvicta
or Invicta shows on SNBC.
I'm sorry but I doubt u will get an explanation rather just a correction. I'm sorry but listening
to Jim Tim n mike bestow such accolades to this watch on prior shows how could expect
anything in terms of a reason behind this rouse
It troubles me that a company I defend love n havevinvested better than 15k into could not
n would not provide the utmost accurate information of there product especially when there
hype was about the movement
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Well the proverbial cats out of the bag..the ball is in Invicta's
court..let see what they do with it...I will afford them every
opportunity to explain this issue...but I am not going to hold my
breath..Eyal made the first step..will see..
Jon
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03-09-2011, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jwin66
I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they
bought the movements the correct VPH..then they must have
known the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller
gave Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm
hoping that it is a communication error and not something
else..
Jon
Jon, I have the feeling that whatever official explanation we'll get here will either a) state that it was essentially no one's fault, or b) it
was caused by someone so low level in either organization that there is really no one to "fry" over this anyway. There will be no refunds
and I doubt that there will be too much made of this in the next few ShopNBC shows.
In any case, if anyone here purchased one, and it works for you, at
least you got a nice looking automatic chronograph that you'll probably really like to wear anyway. Unless you purchased this
mainly due the 36,000 VPH marketing hype and the alleged collectivity of the time piece as a result, you will probably not even
notice the difference. So, enjoy your watch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwin66
..Eyal made the first step..will see..
Jon
And, that was probably a very well advised thing to do. As the
movement is a creation of Seiko, sooner or later, the true specfications would have been available through Seiko's website
anyway and the "cat would have been out of the bag" regardless. This was the best way for WGs to find out, I guess.
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03-09-2011, 10:37 PM
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It seems to me that Invicta and/or the Shop need to send out a letter to everyone that
purchased this watch to ensure they are aware of this error. The 36K VPH was sold far too
heavily to just let this go with a post to us.
I already sent mine back because it was defective but I DID buy mine for the exclusivity of
the movement specifically. I would have mine on the way back to the Shop tomorrow having
read this post. As far as the buyers NCEngineer referenced that bought theirs for the same
exclusivity and have no way of being told otherwise this is very unfair to them. If they then
find out later about the error and they weren't given the opportunity to return the watch I
believe many of them will be beyond furious. They all have the right to know.
I just hope that Invicta and ShopNBC step up and do the right thing for all of these
customers. I know they do this sort of thing because I received a correction letter in the past
regarding a gold bracelet I had purchased.
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I want to add that I will have this movement in my collection someday but I will wait to see
what else Invicta decides to put it into.
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03-09-2011, 10:41 PM
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Like I said I'm not going to hold my breathe over this
one..Personally the Reserve Ocean Speedway Is a nice piece
with a robust movement and case and bracelet design...I don't
expect that Invicta will start pointing fingers at any one within
the company as to why this discrepancy was not made
apparent.
As to whether or not the High VPH (higher than the VAL7750-
according to Tim and Mike presentation) will be a deal breaker
or not for some geeks that's up to them..
Jon
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I would have purchased this timepiece if I did'nt just already purchase the speedway DD the
week before,knowing this recent info I am glad I did'nt.I was one of the lucky one that had
no problems with my DD cosmetic or mechanical.I for one would have sent the Seiko based
watch back,In my opinon this is no longer a special timepiece as was stated on Shopnbc
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Yesterday, 09:09 AM
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It surely is a terrific timepiece..but any geek purchasing said
model with the knowledge that the VPH was 3600 instead of
28800 should be entitled to a refund no questions
asked..regardless of what or who caused the problem...If I
bought the watch, or anything else for that matter, and the
product specs were different than what was advertised I would
send that item back...
Jon
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That's good stuff! Thanks!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamInvicta
Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A:
The movement has a 28,800 VPH Frequency, same as the Valjoux 7750 and not 36,000,
we will adjust all Specs relating to this movement. All NE78A calibers are made in JAPAN.
This caliber does have a 45 hour power reserve. The watch (mainspring) is fully wound by
turning the crown 55 times. If you plan to use a watch winder for this model, the rotary
speed can be set at 30rpm, and will be fully charged within 60 minutes. Watch does
contain 34 Jewels.
Thank you, Team Invicta
Thanks for the info!