DAKOTA TERRITORY

GUN COLLECTORS

ASSOCIATION, INC.

Association Office Address

DTGCA

Vicki L. Morin

Executive Secretary

PO Box 5053

West Fargo, ND 58078

701-361-9215 message

PRESIDENT

Tom Seaburg

Carrington, ND

VICE PRESIDENT Daethal Dockter

Milbank, SD

PAST PRESIDENT

Brandon Maddox

Sioux Falls, SD

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Don Glynn

Fullerton, ND

Paul Herman

Pierre, SD

Kelly Lorge

Bowman, ND

Wayne Duncan

Wyndmere, ND

Laura Ennen

Bismarck, ND

Rick Drennen

Flandreau, SD

Dale Fliehs

Groton, SD

DUES

New Member—$25.00

Renewal—$25.00

Life Member—$200.00

Include self-addressed,

stamped envelope. Renew at a show

or

by mail.

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President’s Message

I would like to thank the membership for

giving me the opportunity to serve as

your president. Many of you know me

from many of the gun shows but know

little of my background.

Well, I was raised in Fargo graduating

from Fargo Central High in 1962 and

NDSU College of Pharmacy in 1967.

While at NDSU I met and fell in love with

my wife of 47 years Donna. I graduated

on Friday, got married on Saturday, went

to work on Wednesday. Just two broke

young kids eager to start down life's road. We stayed in Fargo so Donna

could finish her degree but left in 1975 to buy our first store in Carring-

ton. 32 years later we had grown to 4 drug stores, 3 kids (Andrew,

Mike, & Tammy) and 7 grand kids. We sold the stores 2009 so I could be-

come the primary care giver for Donna until her passing in 2015 from

Parkinson’s. How blessed and lucky can one man be, but I still miss her

so very much.

But, how and when did I get involved in gun collecting? Well I had a

good customer at the store named Hal Lee and he gave me the bug. Bill

Braun also deserves some credit. But my son Mike really started the

whole thing. Today Mike collects a little of everything; whatever he finds

interesting while my collecting is limited to Browning's. Together we col-

lect colt SAA, 22's.

President Tom Seaburg

SPRING EDITION APRIL 2018

MITCHELL, SD 2017

Best Long Gun: Glen Johnson for J.P.Sauer and Son Drilling 1 Best Long Gun Collection: Bob Campbell for Winchester 1885 special orders 2 Best Handgun: Gary Asproth for Cole Younger 1851 Colt Navy 3 Best Handgun Collection: Chuck Oster for Auto Mag Pistols 4 Best Histori-

cal Display: Leo Semmler for M1 Garand Post War or Korean War Era 5 Leo Semmler also won: Best of Show

DICKINSON, ND 2017 Long Gun Display Gary Asproth for 1873 & 1876 Factory Engraved Winchester 3 Collectable Long Gun Arlin Vanderwerff Win Model 65 25-

20, one of 1,807 in this caliber 8 Handgun Display Monty Simon Colts & SW Collectable Handgun Chuck Lawton Casey Inspected Calvary

Colt 10 Historical Display Dennis Sundby Military 11 BISMARCK, ND 2018

Long Gun Don Glynn 1876 Express Rifle w/letter 12 Terry Hennen 1894 Semi Delux 30 WCF TD 13 Long Gun Display Wayne Duncan

Rem Model 72 22’s 14 Rick Duquette 722 Rem 15 Hand Gun Lenard Cave Savage Navy Revolver 16 Peg Aplan S&W #1 2nd Model

nickel, Ivory grips 17 Hand gun Display Rick Schmaltz 1860’s A. Francotte Dueling Pistols 18 Steve Livermore US 1873 Colt SA 19 His-

torical Display Bill Bobby WW I & II 20 Jim Aplan Indian Trade Rifle/Collection 21

Roger Krumm Dickinson & Bismarck

Rob Moore Mitchell

Our Extended

Sympathy

The Association would like to notify

you and recognize the death of the

following member.

Gary Poppenga, Lennox, SD

Member

Deceased 10-2017

GUN SHOW UPDATES

FARGO, ND SHOW

JANUARY 05/06, 2019

HOLIDAY INN 701-282-2700

3803 13th Ave S

FARGO, ND

Acting Chairman: Mike Seaburg (701) 650-1233

DTGCA Block $109.00 K or QN

VALLEY CITY, ND

FEBRUARY 23-24, 2019

WINTER SHOW BUILDING

VALLEY CITY, ND

Acting Chairman: Mike Seaburg (701) 650-1233

MITCHELL, SD SHOW

Two shows in new season

10-27/28, 2018 3-09/10, 2019

Switching Mitchell and Collector Classic Dates

SIOUX FALLS COLLECTOR CLASSIC SHOW

No show until 10-26/27, 2019

THE 22 RIFLE SERIES by Curt Stahl, Bismarck, ND I’ve been collecting and shooting rifles for about 70 years. I am writing about my favorites. The reason I like collecting 22’s is because I have always been fond of good 22’s and I have good memories of using them. The best 22’s have never been cheap, but there are good deals out there. There are many excellent models to collect or just to use to hunt with or just to shoot. I have purchased guns to shoot, used them for many years and sold them for more than I paid for them. I very seldom sell guns anymore, but my advice to any buyer is to decide what you want and decide whether it’s going to be a gun to shoot or a minty collector gun that is too nice to take out hunting. I have found some very nice 78 year old guns that were too nice to use, and there are some well cared for guns that make good shooters. You will be better off with the guns that I will describe, because they will not depreciate if they are well cared for by you. The first two rifles that I will describe briefly are lever actions. There are two that stand out. They are the Marlin 39 variations and the Winchester 9422. Both are no longer made. Both are side ejection and have the three-eighths grooved receiver capabil-ity. Both have tubular high capacity magazines which I have a strong preference for because of their advantages of capacity, hard to lose, ease of use, and dependability. These guns are not cheap, but they are the best.

If you are buying one to shoot, or hunt with it will last for many generations while increasing in value, and if you are a collector it will last forever. Marlin has been dropped by Remington after they bought out Marlin. Winchester brought out the 9422 in 1972 and dropped it in 2005. My first Marlin listed for $60.85 in 1950. My Winchester 9422 cost me $110 according to my receipt dated 1972. My favorite Marlins are Mounties, 39D’s and carbines. I have several 9422’s and I prefer the early models.

COLLECTING, YOUTH, GUN ADVOCACY Author Vicki L. Morin, Executive Secretary DTGCA

I just cannot let this newsletter go out without some mention of what is happen-

ing in the United States today. Far be it for me to write this article, I am not politi-

cally active in the least. Our hearts, prayers and compassion go out to all involved.

My concern is for DTGCA and their actions to insure the rights of the collectors,

hunters and youth are protected through any due diligence they can extend.

I was searching online for words to put down and then it came to me; why not

use the “backbone” of the Dakota Territory Gun Collectors Association, the By-

Laws.

ARTICLE II

PURPOSE

Section 1. The purpose for which this corporation is formed is TO disseminate infor-

mation to its members, and to the general public in regard to the construction, use, care,

exchange, collection, exhibition and history of guns as designated in Article VIII-Acceptable

Arms & Accessories. TO actively promote the 2nd amendment of the Constitution of the

United States. TO acquire, maintain and possess the necessary facilities for such purpos-

es.

These were created and drafted by the founders of this association, by a group of

men, who wanted to get together, swap stories and buy-sell or trade the pieces

they had to each other. DTGCA is an association abiding all rules and conducts

set forth for small or large organizations as well as a gun club adhering to all regu-

lations set forth by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and as a

supportive member of the National Rifle Association carrying out their purposes

and objectives in North and South Dakota; but they strive to keep their basic idea

in mind: To be Collectors, to be the original group of people that wanted to get

together, swap stories and buy-sell or trade the pieces they have. (There are prob-

ably some retail vendors out there that want me to go away but the Lord willing I

am not going away anytime soon.)

There are students active in the High School Clay Target League, who are well

aware of the ongoing gun dialogue, giving statements to reporters on their view of

the current happenings BUT what are they doing, they are gearing up for a com-

petitive season that's all about guns, safety and competition. They don’t see any

reason to tie their activity of trapshooting to those conversations.

As long as your association follows their own created “backbone”; collecting,

youth activities and hunting; all should stay well in place. Let the powers that be

fight for the rights that we stand behind and support as an Association in the 2nd

Amendment. Thank you. I had to omit the “Wanted Articles” text but please continue to send in your stories!

NEW SHOW DATES

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“Right Place, Right Time”

By Elliott Hammond, N. Sioux City, SD

I have attended and tabled many gun shows around the country for over 20 years. Only once, during those years, was I in “The Right Place at the Right Time”. But what a great “Once”! I was tabling the Wanamaker's Tulsa Arms Show in April of 2016. My wife and I had been there since early on Friday and I had finally managed to walk the entire show by late Saturday afternoon. My wife graciously watches our table while I search the aisles for my collecting passion; Colt 1911’s / 1911-A1’s, (and contract variants), manufactured from 1911 through 1945 as well as 1903 / 1922 Spring-field Armory rifles of civilian issue. Things were winding down for the day and as we were getting ready to close up shop, a young man approached our table and asked if I would like to take a look at a Colt pistol he was looking to sell. As

he opened his pistol rug, the glint of nickel caught my eye as well as stag grips. For a Colt collector, this gets your interest peaking VERY early! The S.D. Myres, floral carved holster was an added boost. Upon inspection, I determined this pistol to be a first year production (1929) Colt .38 Super with what I thought were all correct parts and that tantalizing, “oh so rare” nickel finish. Colt did not offer nickel finish-es for .38 Supers in its catalog until around 1932 / 1934. Given that, I knew this was probably a non-factory re-nickel or an extremely rare, special factory order gun. The difference in value for these two outcomes is huge. Now comes the hard part. When asked what he wanted for the gun he responded “What will you give me for it”? I hate that! Now knowing this young man is shop-ping offers, I needed to make an offer based on my “gut feeling” about it (real or re-nickel) and knowing I would not have the definitive answer until the Colt Ar-chive letter arrived. I didn’t want to lose a rare opportunity so, what to do? Honesty being the best policy, I told him that, if real, this was a very rare gun, high-ly desirable, and quite valuable. Given that only a handful of these first year guns were nickeled at the factory, the odds that it was one of those was very slim. So, whoever buys it will basically be taking a flyer on it and will have to wait for a Colt letter to prove them right or wrong. In other words, an expensive guess! It was at that point I gave him my best offer (guess) and held my breath; he accepted. Elation! Happiness! For about 5 minutes until the nagging “What have I done?” questions start inching in to your brain. “I should have read my .38 Super book before I came”, “did I pay too much”, “is it real”, “I’ll go to my grave with it if it

isn’t”…… You know the drill. 12 weeks later, the Colt letter arrives; will it be Santa or the Grinch? Santa it is!! And THAT folks, is what collecting is all about!

If you are new to the gun scene or need more information on these guns, Google them on the Internet. This does not mean that you should buy that way. Gun shows are a good place to buy, because you can see the guns and the dealers are honest. The most desirable guns will usually be the highest price. These guns are desirable because of their quality, condition, rarity and overall appeal. I referred to good deals earlier. I have purchased Marlin Mounties and Winchester 9422’s for as little as $700 in the last month. I consider these good deals. There are several varia-tions of both brands but the actions are basically the same for each variation. During the same time period, I saw these two models selling for up to $2,000. All of these were either new or excellent plus. A gun is not like a car, it usually serves us well for many generations. The 22 rimfire has been around for well over 100 years and shows no signs of becoming obsolete. There has been improvement in the cartridge itself and it is the cheapest to shoot, but I would like to see jacketed bullets available like the 017 calibers. There are many obvi-ous reasons. I didn’t say replace, but make available.

I and my son, Andrew, also a Life Member are working on completing a collection of the 16 variations of the Winchester model 61 in excellent or better, original conditions. If you have any for sale call Curt at 701-391-7704. The next article on 22’s will be on the pump actions. Remember if you join the Dakota Territory Gun Collectors Association, you get into all the shows free with your membership card and the education is free! Life memberships are also available. Pick up a free newsletter next time you enter a show. I can be contacted at 701-391-7704 or talk to any member to join.

June 03, 2017

The Summer Meeting of the DTGCA was held in Aberdeen, SD at the Dakota Event Center “The DEC” on June 03, 2017. Present were

President Brandon Maddox, Executive Secretary Vicki Morin, Directors Tom Seaburg, Don Glynn, Paul Herman, Daethal Dockter, Cliff Was-

faret, Laura Ennen and Kelly Lorge. Absent was Larry Jones.

President Brandon Maddox recognized a quorum present and called the meeting to order. President Brandon Maddox made the announcement

of Sonny Pesicka’s death to all the Board of Directors. With names of replacements kept on file at the association office, the unanimous decision

was to offer the show manager position for the Rapid City Gun Show to Keith Hakeman. Daethal Dockter moved with Kelly Lorge’s second to

accept the name submitted of Keith Hakeman for the Rapid City show manager, all ayes, motion carried.

Keith Hakeman

7301 Pinon Jay Circle

Rapid City, SD 57702

605-270-0764

Second quarter report of 2017 was presented and income and all expenses were reviewed. The tax audit of Gidding’s & Associates was reviewed and signed by President Brandon Maddox. Conflict of Interest Policies were presented and signed by the Directors. Daethal Dockter moved with

Kelly Lorge’s second to approve all presented, all ayes, motion carried.

Old business was opened by President Brandon Maddox.

Tom Seaburg was recognized to address the group and discuss

NRA/ILA donations, Venue Contracts, Fargo Show, Valley City Show

Discussion on member attitude towards the Board of Directors

Billboards “test” results for show season 2016. Will be utilized for the South Dakota shows going forward.

New business:

Show Manager Rob Moore was invited to attend the Directors’ Meeting at 1:00 p.m. Daethal Dockter moved with Laura Ennen’s second to omit

the specified table limit for the Trophy Show in Sioux Falls, SD, to be left to the show manager’s discretion. All ayes, motion carried.

Paul Herman moved with Cliff Wasfaret’s second for table rent for the Trophy Show in Sioux Falls, SD to be for 6 foot tables Member $45.00,

nonmember $55.00, 2 opposed, 1 obstained, 4 yes, motion carried.

Laura Ennen moved with Daethal Dockter’s second to hold the Sioux Falls Collector Classic show one additional year of 2019 (current contract

will end in 2018), 1 opposed, 8 yes, motion carried. Show Manager is to check in to date options.

Discussion on ATF, Interstate Sale of Firearms at Gun Shows, National Gun Collectors Show update, vendor trash, Dickinson Show.

Laura Ennen moved with Daethal Dockters second to issue $1000.00 each to the following Request for Contributions, all ayes, motion carried.

Outdoor Adventure Foundation, Lyons, SD

Outdoor Women of South Dakota, Mitchell, SD

PDR Disable Youth Deer Hunt, Sioux Falls, SD

Missouri Valley Shooting, Mandan, ND

Whetstone Sportsmand Club, Milbank

National Field Archery Association, Yankton

Daethal Dockter moved with Kelly Lorge’s second to donate $15,000.00 to the NRA/ILA specifying North and South Dakota distribu-

tion, all ayes, motion carried.

The next scheduled meeting of the DTGCA will be the Annual Meeting on February 3, 2018 in Aberdeen, SD or as called by President Brandon

Maddox.

The Summer Meeting of 2018 will be in Aberdeen, the month of July but date and venue to be determined.

Kelly Lorge moved for adjournment at 3:00 p.m. with Paul Herman’s second, meeting adjourned.

Duly Submitted Vicki L. Morin Executive Secretary DTGCA

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June 3, 2017

The scheduled Summer Meeting of the DTGCA Directors and Show Managers was held June 03, 2017 at The DEC, Aberdeen, SD at

3:00 p.m. Present were President Brandon Maddox, Executive Secretary Vicki Morin, Directors Tom Seaburg, Don Glynn, Paul Herman, Daethal

Dockter, Cliff Wasfaret, Laura Ennen and Kelly Lorge and show managers Roger Krumm, Rob Moore, Steve Livermore, Chuck Harens, Glenn

Davis and Vic Carter. Absent was Show Manager Bill Braun and Director Larry Jones

President Brandon Maddox recognized a quorum present. At this time President Brandon Maddox made the Show Managers aware of the death

of Sonny Pesicka, Director, show manager and Life Member.

For Old Business there was discussion on the “test” for the Bill Boards used at South Dakota Gun Show locations. Going forward the Gun Show

locations in South Dakota will have the continued use of the Bill Boards supplied by LAMAR Signs. Tom Seaburg updated the group on the Fargo

Show. There will be no 2018 Fargo show for lack of a facility but 2019 the show will be held on its regular date at the Holiday Inn. Also updated

was the show in Valley City, ND. 2018 the Valley City show will be held on the Fargo dates January 6/7, 2018. Dates are to be secured by Bill

Braun and Tom Seaburg for 2019 and beyond. Update from Roger Krumm on the Aberdeen Gun Show. The Aberdeen Gun Show will be relocat-

ed to the Dakota Event Center “The DEC” starting in 2018 contracted for 2 years.

New Business was opened. President Brandon Maddox informed the show managers of any discussions and or actions from the Directors’ meet-

ing that involved them; concession at the shows, vendor trash, discussion on the Dickinson Show.

Show managers’ business and show reports (income and expenses) were addressed in show date order. Daethal Dockter moved with Cliff Was-

faret’s second to approve the show reports as presented, all ayes, carried.

Tom Seaburg moved to adjourn the meeting with second by Daethal Dockter, meeting adjourned at 4:45 p.m.

Duly submitted, Vicki L. Morin Executive Secretary DTGCA

DAKOTA TERRITORY

GUN COLLECTORS ASSN. PO Box 5053

West Fargo, ND 58078

2018-2019 DAKOTA TERRITORY GUN COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION GUN SHOW DATES

SEPTEMBER 29-30, 2018

BISMARCK CIVIC CENTER

BISMARCK, ND

Chairman: Roger Krumm

PO Box 158

Strasburg, ND 58573

(701) 336-7533

OCTOBER 27-28, 2018

DAVISON CTY. 4-H GROUNDS

MITCHELL, SD

Chairman: Rob Moore

PO Box 425

Mitchell, SD 57301

(605) 630-2199

DECEMER 08-09, 2018

ASTORIA HOTEL

DICKINSON, ND

Chairman: Roger Krumm

PO Box 158

Strasburg, ND 58573

(701) 336-7533

JANUARY 05-06, 2019

HOLIDAY INN

FARGO, ND

Acting Chairman: Mike Seaburg

25 3rd St S

Carrington, ND 58421

(701) 650-1233

JANUARY 12-13 2019

SWIFTEL CENTER

BROOKINGS, SD

Chairman: Vic Carter

18299 US Hwy 81

Castlewood, SD 57223

(605) 793-2347

JANUARY 19-20, 2019

BISMARCK CIVIC CENTER

BISMARCK, ND

Chairman: Roger Krumm

PO Box 158

Strasburg, ND 58573

(701) 336-7533

JANUARY 26-27, 2019

NATIONAL FIELD ARCHERY BLDG

YANKTON, SD

Chairman: Chuck Harens

711 E 14th St

Yankton, SD 57078

(605) 665-4537

FEBRUARY 2-3, 2019

DAKOTA EVENT CENTER (THE DEC)

ABERDEEN, SD

Chairman: Roger Krumm

PO Box 158

Strasburg, ND 58573

(701) 336-7533

ANNUAL MEETING following show

FEBRUARY 09-10, 2019

TROPHY SHOW-THE BIG ONE

CONVENTION CENTER

SIOUX FALLS, SD

Chairman: Rob Moore

PO Box 425

Mitchell, SD 57301

(605) 630-2199

FEBRUARY 16-17, 2019

RAMKOTA RIVER CENTRE

PIERRE, SD

Chairman: Steve Livermore

PO Box 972

Ft. Pierre, SD 57532

(605) 280-2438

FEBRUARY 23-24, 2019

WINTER SHOW BUILDING

VALLEY CITY, ND

Acting Chairman: Mike Seaburg

25 3rd St S

Carrington, ND 58421

(701) 650-1233

MARCH 2-3, 2019

ALERUS CENTER

GRAND FORKS, ND

Acting Chairman: Mike Seaburg

25 3rd St S

Carrington, ND 58421

(701) 650-1233

COLLECTOR CLASSIC SIOUX FALLS

NO SHOW UNTIL OCTOBER 2019

MARCH 09-10 2019

DAVISON CTY. 4-H GROUNDS

MITCHELL, SD

Chairman: Rob Moore

PO Box 425

Mitchell, SD 57301

(605) 630-2199

MARCH 16-17, 2019

CODINGTON CTY AG BLDG

WATERTOWN, SD

Chairman: Vic Carter

18299 US Hwy 81

Castlewood, SD 57223

(605) 793-2347

APRIL 13-14, 2019

RUSHMORE CIVIC CENTER

RAPID CITY, SD

Chairman: Keith Hakeman

7301 Pinon Jay Circle

Rapid City, SD 57702

(605) 270-0764