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Page 1: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Next Steps

P2P Infrastructure Workshop

May 28, 2008

Page 2: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Warning

• These slides are just some rough notes from the end that were used to help drive discussion at the end of the meeting

• Don’t take them as the actual Next Steps

Page 3: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Localization

• Was for peers to find AS Numbers• Way to locate an iTracker• Way for ISP to let customer know what status of account ( like cellular

#number minutes left in month in cell phone)

• Way for an application to ask network oracle in real time what is a good “peer” to talk to right now

• Does not reveal complete routing topology to application• Does not reveal all of what users is doing to the network

• Oracle to use routing information to answer questions • What does Local mean - delays, hop count, scopes

• May help reduce transit costs

Page 4: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Caching & Peers

• Protocol to Cache should be same as protocol to peers

Page 5: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Tracker Format

• Standardize to delegate from global tracker to local tracker– Should be explicit and off-path

Page 6: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Caching

• Investigate costs & cost savings

• Find out if people would deploy

Page 7: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Federated Identity

• Cross domain / Cross operator / Authentication

Page 8: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

DSCP

• Questions around incentives?

Page 9: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Terminology BCP

• Create well defined terms that ISPs can use to explain to users what service they can expect

Page 10: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

TCP Fairness

• P2P apps use of multiple TCP flows?

Page 11: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Split

– Pricing (virtual or real)• Very hard to get right• Many got wrong

– Signaling about what fairness will be forced on you

• VS.– Congestion is Cost?

Page 12: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

IRTF

• Economics

Page 13: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Misc.

• Consider super peer

• Peer selection

• Bring in bittorrent protocol

• “Grandma has a server”

Page 14: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Quick Fix?

• Need to think about long term game as well as quick fix

Page 15: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Scavenger Class / DSCP

• using scavenger class

• Question around incentives?

Page 16: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Indication of Charging

Page 17: Next Steps P2P Infrastructure Workshop May 28, 2008

Talking to local net

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Thanks

• Authors• Program Committee

– Lars Eggert– John Morris– Daniel Weitzner– Dave Clark

• MIT• AMS