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NFPA Technical Committee on Fire Service Training

MEETING AGENDA

San Diego, CA

February 26-28, 2013

Chair Richards’s calls meeting to order on February 26, 2013 at 8:00 am.

Invocation.

Welcome and Opening Remarks.

Introduction of attendees (Attachment A).

Approval of the minutes of the March 27-28, 2012, San Antonio, TX meeting.

(Attachment B).

Review purpose of meeting and document schedule (Attachment C).

Act on public inputs/develop first revision on 13E, 1407, 1408, 1410 and 1452

(Attachment D).

Old business.

Task Group Reports

o 1402

New business.

Radio training standard

Date and location of next meeting.

Adjournment.

ATTACHMENT A

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Address List No PhoneFire Service Training FIY-AAA

Steven F. Sawyer12/14/2012

FIY-AAA

Kenneth W. Richards, Jr.

ChairOld Mystic Fire DepartmentReliance Fire Company No. 1295 Cow Hill RoadMystic, CT 06355

E 1/10/2002FIY-AAA

Wesley E. Barbour

PrincipalCrossBar International LLC347 West 36th Street, Suite 805New York, NY 10018

SE 3/1/2011

FIY-AAA

Roger W. Bassett

PrincipalR. W. Bassett & Associates621 East Foster AvenueRoselle, IL 60172-3032

SE 1/1/1989FIY-AAA

John M. Best

PrincipalJohn Jay College of Criminal Justice9537 Morning Walk DriveHagerstown, MD 21740-1790Alternate: Glenn Corbett

U 4/17/1998

FIY-AAA

John P. Brown

PrincipalNassau County Fire Service AcademyVocational Education Extension Board300 Winding RoadOld Bethpage, NY 11804-1323

U 8/5/2009FIY-AAA

W. Edward Buchanan, Jr.

PrincipalHanover Fire EMS DepartmentHanover Courthouse13326 Hanover Courthouse RoadPO Box 470Hanover, VA 23069Alternate: Chris H. Hubbard

U 10/27/2005

FIY-AAA

James Cannell

PrincipalColumbus Ohio Division of Fire5812 Plantation RoadSunbury, OH 43074Columbus Firefighters Union

L 10/29/2012FIY-AAA

Rick Egelin

PrincipalFireblast 451 Incorporated545 Monica CircleCorona, CA 92880

M 3/4/2009

FIY-AAA

William E. Glover

PrincipalHigh Temperature Linings (HTL)PO Box 1240White Stone, VA 22578

M 4/28/2000FIY-AAA

Larry D. Hughes

PrincipalNorth Carolina Department of InsuranceOffice of the State Fire Marshal1202 Mail Service CenterRaleigh, NC 27699-1202Alternate: Derrick S. Clouston

E 1/18/2001

FIY-AAA

Cortez Lawrence

PrincipalUS Department of Homeland SecurityFederal Emergency Management Agency/USFANational Emergency Training Center16825 South Seton AvenueEmmitsburg, MD 21727Alternate: Denis G. Onieal

SE 4/5/2001FIY-AAA

Roger M. LeBoeuf

PrincipalElliott, LeBoeuf & McElwain8001 Forbes Place, Suite 201Springfield, VA 22151Alternate: Jeremy D. Jones

SE 7/20/2000

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FIY-AAA

Gordon L. Lohmeyer

PrincipalTexas Engineering Extension ServiceEmergency Services Training Institute2153 Nuclear Science RoadCollege Station, TX 77843Alternate: J. Ron Peddy

U 03/05/2012FIY-AAA

Lavarn E. Lucas

PrincipalHilton Head Island Fire & Rescue40 Summit DriveHilton Head Island, SC 29926

E 7/12/2001

FIY-AAA

Daniel Madrzykowski

PrincipalNational Institute of Standards & TechnologyFire Research DivisionBuilding 224, Room A345100 Bureau Drive, MS 8661Gaithersburg, MD 20899Alternate: Adam M. Barowy

RT 7/23/2008FIY-AAA

F. Patrick Marlatt

PrincipalMaryland Fire and Rescue InstituteUniversity of MarylandBuilding 199College Park, MD 20742-6811

E 1/10/2008

FIY-AAA

Kevin Munson, Jr.

PrincipalWest Hartford Fire Department45 Forest LaneCanton, CT 06019Alternate: Michael Yacovino

U 8/5/2009FIY-AAA

Brent Norwine

PrincipalCAL-FIRE/Riverside County Fire Department46990 Jackson StreetIndio, CA 92201Alternate: Roland Fredrickson

U 3/1/2011

FIY-AAA

Ryan O'Donnell

PrincipalBullEx, Inc.20 Corporate CircleAlbany, NY 12203Alternate: John Blackburn

M 10/29/2012FIY-AAA

William E. Peterson

Principal8108 Cobalt Springs DrivePlano, TX 75025International Fire Marshals Association

SE 1/1/1977

FIY-AAA

James E. Podolske, Jr.

PrincipalUS Department of the Air ForceFire Emergency Services BranchAFCEC/CXF139 Barnes Drive, Suite 1Tyndall AFB, FL 32403-5319

U 1/10/2008FIY-AAA

Robert E. Raheb

PrincipalFAAC, Inc.102 Fountain AvenueSelden, NY 11784

SE 8/9/2011

FIY-AAA

Daniel N. Rossos

PrincipalPortland Fire & Rescue40640 SE George RoadEstacada, OR 97023Alternate: Corey Wilson

E 4/5/2001FIY-AAA

Daniel D. Shaw

PrincipalFairfax County Fire and Rescue Department404 Locust DriveCatonsville, MD 21228Alternate: Douglas J. Mitchell, Jr.

U 10/28/2008

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FIY-AAA

Gary A. Simpson

PrincipalE. D. Bullard Company112 Sheldrake CourtGeorgetown, KY 40324

M 10/3/2002FIY-AAA

Frederick M. Stowell

PrincipalFire Protection PublicationsOklahoma State University2423 East 72nd PlaceTulsa, OK 74136-5507International Fire Service Training AssociationAlternate: Michael A. Wieder

M 10/4/2001

FIY-AAA

Richard Verlinda

PrincipalSeattle Fire DepartmentBattalion 4301 2nd Avenue, SouthSeattle, WA 98104

E 10/27/2005FIY-AAA

Phil Welch

PrincipalGastonia Fire Department260 Myrtle School RoadGastonia, NC 28052Alternate: Mark A. Rutherford

U 7/1/1995

FIY-AAA

Steven J. Williamson

PrincipalUTC/Kidde Fire Trainers, Inc.17 Philips ParkwayMontvale, NJ 07645Alternate: Steven C. Luftig

M 4/1/1995FIY-AAA

Michael L. Young

PrincipalVolunteer Firemen's Insurance Services, Inc.Glatfelter Insurance Group183 Leaders Heights RoadPO Box 2726York, PA 17405Alternate: William F. Jenaway

I 11/2/2006

FIY-AAA

Adam M. Barowy

AlternateNational Institute of Standards & Technology100 Bureau Drive, MS 8661Gaithersburg, MD 20889-8661Principal: Daniel Madrzykowski

RT 3/1/2011FIY-AAA

John Blackburn

AlternateBullEx, Inc.20 Corporate CircleAlbany, NY 12203Principal: Ryan O'Donnell

M 10/29/2012

FIY-AAA

Derrick S. Clouston

AlternateNorth Carolina Department of InsuranceOffice of the State Fire Marshal1202 Mail Service CenterRaleigh, NC 27699-1202Principal: Larry D. Hughes

E 08/09/2012FIY-AAA

Glenn Corbett

AlternateJohn Jay College of Criminal Justice42 Lotus LaneWaldwick, NJ 07463Principal: John M. Best

U 10/29/2012

FIY-AAA

Roland Fredrickson

AlternateCity of Corona Fire Department400 South Vicentia AvenueCorona, CA 92882Principal: Brent Norwine

U 10/29/2012FIY-AAA

Chris H. Hubbard

AlternateHanover Fire EMS Department13326 Hanover Courthouse RoadPO Box 470Hanover, VA 23069Principal: W. Edward Buchanan, Jr.

U 08/09/2012

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FIY-AAA

William F. Jenaway

AlternateVolunteer Firemen’s Insurance Sservices, Inc.102 Hunters Run RoadKing of Prussia, PA 19406Principal: Michael L. Young

I 11/2/2006FIY-AAA

Jeremy D. Jones

AlternateElliott, Leboeuf & McElwain424 Manor StreetEphrata, PA 17522Principal: Roger M. LeBoeuf

SE 10/29/2012

FIY-AAA

Steven C. Luftig

AlternateUTC/Kidde Fire Trainers, Inc.17 Philips ParkwayMontvale, NJ 07645Principal: Steven J. Williamson

M 1/10/2008FIY-AAA

Douglas J. Mitchell, Jr.

AlternateFire Department City of New York12 Jackson LaneCampbell Hall, NY 10916Principal: Daniel D. Shaw

U 8/9/2011

FIY-AAA

Denis G. Onieal

AlternateUS Department of Homeland SecurityUS Fire Administration16825 South Seton AvenueEmmitsburg, MD 21727Principal: Cortez Lawrence

SE 1/15/2004FIY-AAA

J. Ron Peddy

AlternateTexas Engineering Extension ServiceEmergency Services Training Institute301 TarrowCollege Station, TX 77840-7896Principal: Gordon L. Lohmeyer

U 8/2/2010

FIY-AAA

Mark A. Rutherford

AlternateGastonia Fire Department260 North Myrtle School RoadGastonia, NC 28052-1258Principal: Phil Welch

U 08/09/2012FIY-AAA

Michael A. Wieder

AlternateFire Protection PublicationsOklahoma State University930 North Willis StreetStillwater, OK 74078-8045International Fire Service Training AssociationPrincipal: Frederick M. Stowell

M 10/4/2001

FIY-AAA

Corey Wilson

AlternatePortland Fire & Rescue4800 NE 122nd AvenuePortland, OR 97230Principal: Daniel N. Rossos

E 03/05/2012FIY-AAA

Michael Yacovino

AlternateCanton, CT Fire Marshals Office277 Gracey RoadCanton, CT 06019Principal: Kevin Munson, Jr.

U 10/29/2012

FIY-AAA

Edward W. Bent

Member Emeritus1416 Los Padres WaySacramento, CA 95831

1/1/1965FIY-AAA

Steven F. Sawyer

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

9/15/2009

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ATTACHMENT B

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Technical Committee Fire Service Training

San Antonio, TX

March 27-28, 2012

MINUTES

The meeting was called to order by Chair Richards at 8:10 am.

Invocation by John Best.

Introduction of Attendees

Members Present:

Kenneth Richards, Chair, Old Mystic Fire Department, CT

Steven Sawyer, NFPA Staff

Wesley Barbour, Crossbar International LLC, NY

John Best, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, MD

W. Edward Buchanan, Hanover Fire & EMS, VA

Rick Egelin, Fireblast 451 Inc, CA

William Glover, High Temperature Linings, VA

Larry Hughes, North Carolina Department of Insurance, NC

Cortez Lawrence, US Department of Homeland Security, MD

Roger LeBoeuf, Elliott, LeBoeuf & McElwain, VA

Lavern Lucas, Hilton Head Island Fire & Rescue, SC

Daniel Madrzykowski, US National Institute of Standards & Technology, MD

Kevin Munson, West Hartford Fire Department, CT

Brent Norwine, CAL-FIRE/Riverside County FD, CA

Ron Peddy, Texas Engineering Extension Service, TX

William Peterson, IFMA, TX

Robert Raheb, FAAC, Inc., NY

Daniel Rossos, Portland Fire & Rescue, OR

Daniel Shaw, Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department, MD

Gary Simpson, E.D. Bullard Company, KY

Frederick Stowell, Fire Protection Publications, OK

Phil Welch, Gastonia Fire Department, NC

Steven Williamson, UTC/Kidde Fire Trainers, Inc., NJ

Gordon Lohmeyer, Alternate, TEEX, TX

Corey Wilson, Alternate, Portland Fire & Rescue, OR

Guests Present:

Craig Gestler, MSA

Roger Lackore, Oshkosh Corp, WI

Members not present:

Roger Basset, RW Bassett & Associates, IL

John Brown, Nassau County Fire Services Academy, NY

F. Patrick Mariatt, Maryland Fire and Rescue Institute, MD

James Podolske, US Department of the Air Force, FL

Richard Verlinda, Seattle Fire Department, WA

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Michael Young, Volunteer Firemen’s Insurance Services, Inc., PA

Adam Barowy, Alternate, NIST, MD

George Hall, Alternate, International Fire Associates Consulting, LLC, FL

William Jenaway, Alternate, VFIS, Inc., PA

John Lapsansky, Alternate, Fireblast 451, Inc., CA

Steven Luftig, Alternate, UTC/Kidde Fire Trainers, Inc., NJ

Denis Onieal, Alternate, US Department of Homeland Security, MD

Michael Wieder, Alternate, Fire Protection Publications, OK

Edward Bent, Member Emeritus, CA

Motion made, seconded and accepted to approval of the minutes of the July 19-20, 2011

meeting.

Chair Richards presented Past Chair Peterson with a plague of appreciation for his years

of service as chair.

Review purpose of meeting and document schedule.

Public comments and committee comments on 1404 and 1451 were acted on see ROC.

Old business.

Task Group Reports

Thermal Imaging Standard – Motion made, seconded, and approved to

forward the draft standard to the Standards Council to release for Public

Input.

1402 – Roger gave a report on the TG’s findings.

Motion made, seconded, and approved to make 1402 a standard and use the

table of contents developed by the TG. Vote was 10 for/9 against.

The TG will report back to the committee at the next meeting.

1005/1405 – A meeting was held between 1005/1405 to discuss 1005 issues

related to Marine Fire Fighter. Most of the discussion was to review the

JPR’s in 1005. Most liked the information included in 1405.

New business.

Dan Rossos made a presentation on SCBA issues.

Bill Glover made a presentation on exposure to chemicals in training fires.

The next meeting will be held on February 27-28, 2013 TG meeting on February 26 in San

Diego, CA.

The meeting adjourned on March 27, 2012 at 4:28 pm.

Respectfully Submitted,

Steven F. Sawyer

Staff Liaison

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ATTACHMENT C

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Process

StageProcess Step Dates for TC

Dates for TC

with CC

Public Input Closing Date* 1/4/2013 1/4/2013

Final date for TC First Draft Meeting 6/14/2013 3/15/2013

Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot 8/2/2013 4/26/2013

Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 8/23/2013 5/17/2013

Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 8/30/2013 5/24/2013

Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 5/31/2013

Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 7/12/2013

Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot 8/2/2013

Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 8/23/2013

Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 8/30/2013

Post Final First Draft for Public Comment 9/6/2013 9/6/2013

Public Comment closing date 11/15/2013 11/15/2013

Final Date to Publish Notice of Consent Documents (Documents

That Received No Comments)11/22/2013 11/22/2013

Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents (15 Days) (Documents

That Received No Comments)12/7/2013 12/7/2013

Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 5/2/2014 1/24/2014

Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot 6/13/2014 3/7/2014

Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft Ballot 7/7/2014 3/28/2014

Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 7/14/2014 4/4/2014

Posting of Second Draft for CC Mtg 4/11/2014

Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 5/23/2014

Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 6/13/2014

Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 7/7/2014

Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 7/14/2014

Post Final Second Draft for NITMAM Review 7/18/2014 7/18/2014

Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 8/22/2014 8/22/2014

Posting of Certified Amending Motions and Consent Documents 10/17/2014 10/17/2014Appeal Closing Date for Consent Documents (15 Days) 11/1/2014 11/1/2014SC Issuance Date for Consent Documents (25 Days) 11/11/2014 11/11/2014

Tech Session Association Meeting for Documents with CAMs 6/22‐25/2015 6/22‐25/2015

Appeal Closing Date for Documents with CAMs (20 Days) 7/15/2015 7/15/2015SC Issuance Dates for Documents with CAMs 8/27/2015 8/27/2015

Comment Stage

(Second Draft)

Tech Session

Preparation

(& Issuance)

Appeals and

Issuance

2014 FALL REVISION CYCLE

Public Input

Stage

(First Draft)

*Public Input Dates may vary according to documents and schedules for Revision Cycles may change. Please check the NFPA Website for the most up‐to‐date information on

Public Input Closing Dates and schedules at www.nfpa.org/document # (i.e. www.nfpa.org/101) and click on the Next Edition tab

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ATTACHMENT D

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Public Inputs

13E

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Public Input No. 17-NFPA 13E-2013 [ New Section after 3.2.4 ]

New 3.2.5Pressure-Reducing Valve. A valve designed for the purpose of reducing thedownstream water pressure under both flowing (residual) and non-flowing (static)conditions.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

Adding to definitions to help with understanding new sections added to this standard.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name:Ryan Rossing

Organization: Portland Fire & Rescue

Submittal Date: Wed Jan 02 16:54:53 EST 2013

Copyright Assignment

I, Ryan Rossing, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and

full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and

Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any

publication of the NFPA in w hich this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby

w arrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full pow er and authority to enter into this

copyright assignment.

By checking this box I aff irm that I am Ryan Rossing, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright

Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I

am creating an electronic signature that w ill, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and

effect as a handw ritten signature

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Pressure-Relief Device.

A device designed to open to prevent a rise of internal fluid pressure in excess of aspecified value due to exposure to emergency or abnormal conditions.


















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Pressure-Restricting Device.

A valve or device designed for the purpose of reducing the downstream water pressureunder flowing (residual) conditions only.


















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System Demand.

The flow rate and residual pressure required from a water supply, measured at the point ofconnection of a water supply to a standpipe system, to deliver the total water flow rate andthe minimum residual pressures required for a standpipe system at the hydraulically mostremote hose, and the minimum water flow rate for sprinkler connections, on combinedsystems.


















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Public Input No. 9-NFPA 13E-2012 [ Section No. 4.1.2 ]

4.1.2

The fire department should correct these situations by implementing effectivedepartmental pre-incident planning, inspections, and other appropriate actions andby performing an appropriate maintenance and testing program on the installedsystem . The use of sprinkler systems initially designed for a low-heat-releaseproduct or intended only to accommodate low storage when a change has beenmade to a high-heat commodity, a significantly increased storage height, or newstorage configurations can result in unsuccessful sprinkler performance, so the firedepartment or authority having jurisdiction should take steps to correct suchproblems.


NFPA 25 and model fire codes hold the owner responsible for the maintenance of fire protection systems. NFPA 25 also requires individuals who service these systems to have appropriate experience and expertise which fire department personnel often would not have. A fire department inspection would identify a system that is not being maintained, after which the owner should be required to have the appropriate service performed.


Submitter Full Name:Bill Galloway

Organization: Southern Regional Fire Code De

Submittal Date: Tue Aug 28 15:49:47 EDT 2012


I, Bill Gallow ay, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and






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4.2.2

The company assigned primary responsibility for charging the sprinkler connectionduring pre-incident planning or annual inspections should hook up to the firedepartment connection to verify hose thread compatibility. The system should alsobe tested with air or water to verify integrity.


Fire department personnel do not have the training, expertise, or equipment to provide this service. Additionally, such testing can have negative effects on a system. Introducing fresh air or water to a system on a regular basis can speed up corrosion. Air should never be used to test systems with plastic piping.
















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4.4.4

Where appropriate, the fire department should assist in restoring the sprinklersystem. Because actions to restore a sprinkler system can present potentialconsequences for improper or negligent actions, each fire department should reviewits policy on this matter. Sprinklers that were exposed to high heat conditionsduring a fire should be examined by a qualified sprinkler installer and replaced asneeded.


This sentence gives direction to the local fire department. Local policy, liability, and other significant factors may prohibit local fire departments from assisting with putting the system back in service. Leaving this sentence out allows the direction to come from the second sentence that provides the option of assisting, depending upon local policies.


Submitter Full Name:Kelly Nicolello

Organization: Western Regional Fire Code Dev

Submittal Date: Thu Aug 16 11:42:04 EDT 2012


I, Kelly Nicolello, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and






By checking this box I aff irm that I am Kelly Nicolello, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright




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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 13E-2012 [ New Section after 4.4.5.1 ]

4.4.5.2 When a sprinkler system is out of service for more than 4 hours in a 24-hour period, the AHJ shall be permitted to require the building to be evacuatedor an approved fire watch to be provided for all portions left unprotected by thefire protection systems shutdown until the fire protection system has beenreturned to service.


This statement gives the AHJ the authority to require a fire watch after the activation of a sprinkler system if the system cannot be restored. This language mirrors the language in other NFPA documents concerning fire protection systems and fire watch procedures.


Submitter Full Name:Doug Hohbein

Organization: Northcentral Fire Code Develop



I, Doug Hohbein, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and






By checking this box I aff irm that I am Doug Hohbein, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright




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Public Input No. 7-NFPA 13E-2012 [ Section No. 4.4.5.1 ]

4.4.5.1

If the sprinkler system cannot be restored to operating condition by the time the firedepartment leaves the premises, the code enforcement and fire preventionauthorities should be promptly notified of the structure's noncompliance status. Thefire department and code enfocement should consider a fire watch depending onconditions. The building owner or representative should also be notified.


When the system is down, depending on conditions and circumstances, a fire watch may be necessary to maintain the level of risk and allow the business to continue to operate.

















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4.5.2

Past incident analysis of the fire department operations and the performance of theautomatic sprinkler system should be reported to improve future operations atsprinklered properties. The following information should be gathered to use in theanalysis process:

(1) Location of operating sprinklers

(2) Number of sprinklers operating

(3) Result of sprinkler operation

(4) Reason for any unsatisfactory operation

(5) Employee assigned to check control valve

(6) Whether the fire department connected to the sprinkler system and, if not, thereason

(7) Company and engine number that connected to the sprinkler system

(8) Number of hose lines used

(9) Size of hose lines used [Some departments now use large diameter hose(LDH) lines to supply fire department connections.]

(10) Whether water was pumped into the system; if so, for how long and at whatpressure, any issues with the backflow device or prv's

(11) Whether the valve was closed after the fire, and which employee ordered thatthe valve be closed

(12) Number of sprinklers replaced by the fire department

(13) Type of sprinklers installed

(14) Whether sprinkler protection was fully restored and by whom

(15) Actions taken to restore service

(16) Whether the private water supply to sprinklers operated satisfactorily

(17) Whether the fire prevention bureau was notified

(18) Whether the representative of management was notified as well as the namesof the employee making notification and of those notified


All devices and operating components of the system should be included in the report as to their function, whether the component operated correctly or failed. This will assure the reviewers of the report that those components were not overlooked.





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4.6.1

Fire department personnel should study occupancies with a wide variety ofconfigurations and a wide range of storage commodities to determine whether thereis a need for special procedures, particularly where storage heights are in excess of3.66 m (12 ft) because, in some cases, routine ventilation procedures in the earlystages of a fire can hinder effective sprinkler operation. The fire department shoulddiscuss its pre-incident plan for these types of occupancies with the occupant,sprinkler sprinkler system designer, and insurance carrier to determine whether amodification in procedures is appropriate.


Originally I was planning on inserting fire protection engineer but that may not be appropriate in all cases. The use of the phrase "sprinkler system designer" should include fire protection engineers where they are involved in the design. However, the phrase "sprinkler designer" is not correct in that it is the designer of the system not the sprinkler that should be consulted.


Submitter Full Name:William Koffel

Organization: Koffel Associates, Inc.

Submittal Date: Wed Aug 08 22:50:33 EDT 2012


I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and






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6.1.6

Pressure-regulation devices should

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Standpipe hose outlets should be tested annually for proper operation by openingand closing .


Pressure regulating devices would typically not be installed on manual standpipes. Clarifying the difference in testing requirements for manual standpipe outlets. Later sections being added define manual standpipe and automatic standpipes with fire pumps are completely different and need different information.
















Public Input No. 20-NFPA 13E-2013 [ Section No. 6.3 ]

6.3 Fireground Operations Involving Properties Protected by Manual Dry orManual Wet Standpipe Systems.

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6.3.1*

Fire department personnel should carefully plan operations in properties protectedby standpipe systems designed to supply fire department hose streams. Theseprocedures should be similar to operations in buildings protected by automaticsprinklers.

6.3.2

Standpipes should be utilized when fires occur on floors above the reach of groundor aerial ladders and when valuable time will be lost in stretching lines up stairways.Careful pre-incident and on-scene fireground planning should be performed toensure successful operations.

6.3.3 3*

Where standpipe systems provide fire department connections, lines from a pumpersupplied by a water main should be connected and charged to the pressurerequired to give the desired working pressure on the standpipe outlets being used.Where several independent standpipes are available for fire department use in thefire area, each standpipe should be charged. (See Figure 6.3.3.)

Figure 6.3.3 Standpipe Connection.

6.3.4* Fire Department Standpipe Connections and Pump DischargePressure Pressures for Manual Dry or Manual Wet Standpipes .

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6.3.4.1

When pumping to a fire department standpipe connection, the pumpoperator should consider the following factors in calculating pumpdischarge pressure:

(1) Friction loss in the hose line between the pump and the standpipeconnection

(2) Friction loss in the standpipe system

(3) Pressure loss due to elevation of the nozzle(s)

(4) Number and size of attack lines operating from the standpipe

(5) Pressure desired at the nozzle(s)

6.3.4.2

Pump discharge pressure in excess of 14 bar (200 psi) should not be usedunless the standpipe system has been designed to withstand higherpressures. Fire suppression personnel should be familiar with options andacceptable practices available to them in response to varying configurationsand locations of standpipe outlets.

6.3.5

Hose or “house lines” attached to standpipe outlets should not be usedexcept in the case of extreme emergency. Fire personnel should providehose and nozzles of appropriate size and length along with properaccessory equipment for the anticipated fire conditions.

6.3.6

Limitations of communication devices, as well as the essential ability tomaintain effective portable radio communications between the incidentcommand post and officers on the upper floors, should be identified andresolved during pre-incident planning.

6.3.7

Where private water supplies serve the standpipe system, fire personnelshould make certain that supply valves are open and private fire pumps, ifany, are operating properly.

6.3.8

Before proceeding up stairs, fire personnel should ensure that all hoseoutlet valves on lower floors are closed.


Clarifying that when a standpipe is "manual-wet, auto-sprinkler" the fire department still has to pump the standpipe to supply hoselines, even though it is wet just for sprinkler operation from residual water pressure.





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6.3.9 Fire departments should operate hoselines from standpipe hose valves on the floorbelow the fire in high rise, and in areas remote from the emergency in other standpipe-equipped structures. Firefighters should connect and deploy hoselines from standpipehose valves outside of any immediately dangerous to life and health (IDLH) environment toensure the safety and operational effectiveness of all fire department personnel whenever itis possible to do so.

Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved

13E_PI_Log1_F2014.pdfSupporting material


Firefighters have been killed and injured when trying to utilize standpipe hose valves on the fire floor in high-rises due to the rapidly deteriorating conditions that may occur. It is a common operating practice taught in the majority of fire instructional texts to utilize the standpipe connection below the fire floor in high rises. This additional new text will help codify this common practice as the preferred use of standpipes for fire department operations. Note: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters.


Submitter Full Name:CHRISTOPHER WANKA

Organization: College Park VFD

Submittal Date: Fri Dec 07 09:56:11 EST 2012


I, CHRISTOPHER WANKA, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association

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6.3.10.1 Fire departments operating in standpipe equipped buildings shall utilizeappropriate sized hoselines based upon their required pre-incident planning for thesestructures. Firefighters should base this decision upon necessary fire flows for the hazardof the building, conditions at the time of the incident, and operational capabilities of thesystem. Fire departments must be cognizant of the possibility of low operating pressures,and possible debris obstructions as just some of the hazards that may warrant thechoosing of a larger hoseline of 2-1/2 in. for initial fire department operations from astandpipe system. The AHJ has the ultimate decision in regards to fire departmenthoseline selection for use when operating from standpipes.


Firefighters have been killed and injured in multiple fires throughout American history due to improper hoseline use at high-rise fires. Fires such as occurred at One Meridian Plaza demonstrate the importance of choosing the proper hoselines and nozzles to ensure adequate fire flows are obtained from a standpipe hose valve. The use of PRV's is previously discussed in this chapter, but the actual size of the hoseline, and type of nozzle used are not discussed anywhere else in this document. In addition, this topic is discussed in NFPA 14, in the explanatory material.
















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6.3.10.2 Fire departments operating in standpipe equipped buildings shall utilize theappropriate nozzles for their hoselines to be used when operating off. Consideration shouldbe taken to the required fire flows, fire hose & nozzles to be used with the standpipesystem, and fire department staffing resources available for standpipe operations. Smooth-bore nozzles are the preferred style of nozzle to be utilized when operating hoselines fromstandpipe systems. Smooth-bore nozzles allow for the passage of small pieces of debristhat may be present in a standpipe system, and allow for greater fire flows (gpm) at loweroperating pressures which may be present when operating from a fire departmentstandpipe.


Firefighters have been killed and injured in multiple fires throughout American history due to improper hoseline use at high-rise fires. Fires such as occurred at One Meridian Plaza demonstrate the importance of choosing the proper hoselines and nozzles to ensure adequate fire flows are obtained from a standpipe hose valve. The use of PRV's is previously discussed in this chapter, but the actual size of the hoseline, and type of nozzle used are not discussed anywhere else in this document. NFPA 14 only requires a minimum discharge pressure from the most remote outlet to be 100 psi, which almost guarantees a low operating pressure from a standpipe system. Therefore, fire departments must adequately pre-plan their hazards and standpipe system to allow them to make an educated and informed choice for their hoselines to be used from these systems.
















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6.4 Fireground Operations Involving Properties Protected by AutomaticStandpipe Systems with Fire Pumps.

6.4.1* Fire department personnel should carefully plan operations in properties protectedby automatic standpipe systems designed to supply fire department hose streams andcombined sprinkler systems. These procedures should be specific to automaticstandpipes with fire pumps.

6.4.2* Fire departments should utilize automatic standpipes whenever possible to providethe fastest and most efficient method of getting water on the fire.

6.4.3 Fire suppression operations will be limited to the pressure and flow design of thestandpipe. Fire departments should plan interior fire suppression operations to functionwithin the pressure and flow parameters specific to each automatic standpipe system.


Section 6.4 through 6.7 were created to differentiate operations specific to automatic standpipe systems with fire pumps. Planning operations, selecting the proper equipment to function from automatic standpipes, and considerations to the limitations of these systems are included in 6.4.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input Relationship

Public Input No. 18-NFPA 13E-2013 [Section No. 6.1.6]

Public Input No. 20-NFPA 13E-2013 [Section No. 6.3]

Public Input No. 26-NFPA 13E-2013 [New Section after A.6.3.1]
















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6.5 Nozzle and Hose Selection for use with Automatic Standpipe Systems

6.5.1* Fire departments should utilize nozzle and hose line configurations that can besupplied by the lowest pressure automatic standpipe systems in their jurisdictions.

6.5.2 Fire departments should be aware of the potential for reduced flow and fire streamreach when operating hose lines that cannot be properly supplied by the system demanddesign.

6.5.3* When working from an automatic standpipe, the combined flow rate of operatinghose lines and flowing sprinkler heads should not exceed the capacity of the fire pump.


Section 6.4 through 6.7 were created to differentiate operations specific to automatic standpipe systems with fire pumps. This section is to clarify how the automatic systems have limitations, what those standard limitations are and how they affect fire fighting operations specific to equipment compatability. Manual standpipes are pumped to the pressures needed to match the nozzles and hose lines attached to the outlets, whereas automatic standpipes with fire pumps dictate the nozzle and hose line selection that "should" be used in order for compatability and functionality.



Public Input No. 27-NFPA 13E-2013 [New Section after 6.3.8]
















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6.6 Automatic Standpipe Water Supply Considerations

6.6.1* Fire departments should plan water supply operations to support all automaticstandpipe systems in their jurisdictions.

6.6.2 The fire departments initial water supply action should be to support the automaticstandpipe as a secondary water supply.

6.6.3* Fire department pumpers should pump the system demand pressure and flow intothe fire department connection when taking over any automatic standpipe or standpipezone.

6.6.4* Fire departments should not pump to the fire floor when a standpipe utilizespressure-reducing valves on outlets for hose connections or sprinkler connections to thestandpipe.


Section 6.4 through 6.7 were created to differentiate operations specific to automatic standpipe systems with fire pumps. Water supply operations are a very misunderstood element of automatic standpipes. This section illustrates the function and components that dictate how these systems can and should be supported.




















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6.7 Pressure Regulating Components used in Automatic Standpipe Systems

6.7.1* Fire department personnel should be thoroughly familiar with the design andfunction of the various types of pressure regulating components used in automaticstandpipe systems in their jurisdictions.

6.7.2 Pressure-reducing valves for hose connections shall be inspected annually andflow tested at 5-year intervals for proper operation. Pressure-regulation valves for sprinklersshall be inspected quarterly and flow tested at 5-year intervals.


Section 6.4 through 6.7 were created to differentiate operations specific to automatic standpipe systems with fire pumps. This section is to explain in detail how pressure regulating components affect the automatic standpipe operation, it's ability to be pumped from a secondary water supply source, and the importance of understanding how the components work and limit fire department options when needing to add additional pressure to the system demand when the fire pump is not working and the fire department is pumping water into the FDC.





















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7.1.1

When an impairment occurs, the following procedure should be performed by theimpairment coordinator:

(1) Determine the extent and expected duration of the impairment

(2) Determine the increased risk in the areas of the building affected

(3) Submit recommendations to the owner or manager of the building for dealingwith the risk

(4) Notify the fire department and the dispatch center for emergency services

(5) Notify the insurance carrier, the alarm company, the building owner ormanager, and other involved authorities having jurisdiction

(6) Notify the supervisors in the area being affected

(7) Install an impairment tag on the affected control valve and fire departmentconnection

(8) Assemble the necessary tools and materials to make the repair as quickly aspossible

(9) Discontinue all welding, cutting, and others forms of hot work.


Too often hot work presents an unwanted source of ignition and is too risky to allow when fire protection systems are impaired.


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7.1.1

When an impairment occurs, the following procedure should be performed by theimpairment coordinator:

(1) Determine the extent and expected duration of the impairment

(2) Determine the increased risk in the areas of the building affected

(3) Submit recommendations to the owner or manager of the building for dealingwith the risk

(4) Notify the fire department and the dispatch center for emergency services

(5) Notify the insurance carrier, the alarm company, the building owner ormanager, and other involved authorities having jurisdiction

(6) Notify the supervisors in the area being affected

(7) Install an impairment tag on the affected control valve and fire departmentconnection

(8) Assemble the necessary tools and materials to make the repair as quickly aspossible

(9) Consider establishing a fire watch


When the system is down, depending on conditions and circumstances, a fire watch may be necessary to maintain the level of risk and allow the business to continue to operate.
















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Public Input No. 11-NFPA 13E-2012 [ Chapter 10 ]

Chapter 10 Inspection and Testing Requirements

10.1 Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance for Sprinkler and StandpipeSystems.

Existing building systems should be evaluated by fire department or otherappropriate building personnel in accordance with NFPA 25, Standard for theInspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems .


The requirement is extremely vague and open ended (should they be coming out weekly, monthly, annually etc.?). It is asking the FD to evaluate, this is the responsibility of the owner.
















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Public Input No. 19-NFPA 13E-2013 [ New Section after A.6.1.3 ]

A6.1.6

Hose outlets on manual standpipes should be tested annually by opening and closing thevalve, checking for proper operation and good working condition. Note that pressure-restricting devices (PRD) and pressure-reducing valves (PRV) are generally used only onautomatic standpipe systems and are typically not installed on manual standpipe outlets.


I created the annex to go with wording change for this section...per NFPA 25, manual standpipe outlets are tested differently than pressure regulating devices which are typically not found on manual standpipes. Clarification only. We've added sections to differential between manul standpipes and automatic standpipes with fire pumps.



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A6.3.3

Manual dry standpipes may be combined with automatic sprinkler systems when theresidual pressure from the municipal water mains provides adequate pressure and flow tothe sprinkler systems. The manual dry standpipe now becomes a manual wet standpipewith automatic sprinklers. Fire departments will still need to charge the standpipe to thepressure required to give the desired working pressure at the standpipe outlets being usedfor hose line operations.


Clarifying that when a standpipe is "manual-wet, auto-sprinkler" the fire department still has to pump the standpipe to supply hoselines, even though it is wet just for sprinkler operation from residual water pressure.



Public Input No. 20-NFPA 13E-2013 [Section No. 6.3] section and created annex info
















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A6.4.1

Automatic standpipes with fire pumps are very different from manual standpipes in manyways. NPFA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, requiresautomatic standpipe systems to contain water at all times and be attached to a watersupply capable of supplying the system demand at all times and that requires no actionother than opening a hose valve to provide water at hose connections. This meansautomatic standpipe systems are designed to supply water, on-demand, without anyassistance from the department pumpers.


Section 6.4 through 6.7 were created to differentiate operations specific to automatic standpipe systems with fire pumps. Planning operations, selecting the proper equipment to function from automatic standpipes, and considerations to the limitations of these systems are included in 6.4.



Public Input No. 27-NFPA 13E-2013 [New Section after 6.3.8] section and annex info

















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A6.4.2

Fire pumps provide the primary water supply to the automatic standpipe. Firedepartment connections are not allowed to be connected on the suction side of firepumps. Check valves are required on the discharge side of the fire pump and between thefire department connection and its piping connection into the standpipe. The check valveon the fire department connection piping is held closed by the system demand pressurein the standpipe. Water will not flow past the check valve while the pressure in thestandpipe is greater than the pressure being pumped into the fire department connection. Pumping into the fire department connection at a pressure greater than the systemdemand pressure being supplied by the fire pump will force the check valve at the firepump to close, shutting down the fire pump. The two check valves prevent the fire pumpand fire department pumpers from supplying the system at the same time. Augmentingor supplementing a working fire pump is not possible under these circumstances. Firedepartments are a secondary water supply for the automatic standpipe system.


This information illustrates that the fire pump supplies the system demand without any assistance from the fire department pumpers.






















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A6.5.1

NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, 2010, requires aminimum residual pressure of 100 psi at any 2-1/2” standpipe outlet and also requirespressure-reducing valves to be used anytime an outlet pressure to a hose connection isgreater than 175 psi. Normal expected outlet pressure ranges on these systems couldbe from 100 to 175 psi. Connecting an inline pressure gauge between the hose line andthe standpipe outlet on the floor below the fire floor allows a firefighter stationed at thestandpipe to accurately set and maintain the correct pressure to a flowing hose line bygating down a higher outlet pressure. A 100 psi residual outlet pressure would supportapproximately 500’ of 2-1/2” hose line with a 50 psi nozzle flowing 250 gpm. This wouldplace a maximum of 475’ of working hose line on the fire floor when connected to thestandpipe outlet one floor below the fire floor.

Prior to 1993, NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems,required a minimum residual pressure of 65 psi at 2-1/2” standpipe outlets and requiredpressure-reducing valves when standpipe outlet pressures at hose connections weregreater than 100 psi. Normal expected outlet pressures on systems built to pre-1993standards could be from 65 to 100 psi. A 65 psi residual outlet pressure would support150’ of 2-1/2” hose line with a 50 psi nozzle flowing 250 gpm. When connected to thestandpipe outlet one floor below the fire floor, this places a maximum of 125’ of hose lineonto the fire floor. Connecting additional lengths of 2-1/2” hose line will increase thefriction loss of the hose line and reduce the flow and reach of the nozzle.

A 65 psi residual outlet pressure will not support traditional hotel bundles or high-risebundles utilizing 1-3/4” hose line and 75 or 100 psi nozzles. A 100 psi residual outletpressure would be able to support only 100’ of 1-3/4” hose line with a 75 psi nozzleflowing 150 gpm. This would place a maximum of 75’ of working hose line on the firefloor. A 100 psi residual outlet pressure would not support the use of 100 psi nozzles.

Automatic or constant-pressure nozzles are not recommended for use on automaticstandpipes. Potential low system pressures insufficient to supply the required nozzlepressure will cause the nozzle orifice to restrict, which greatly reduces the flow and reachof the hose line.

Combination nozzles with adjustable patterns are easily fouled by standpipe debris whichcan result in a partial or complete blockage. Smooth-bore nozzles are less prone toblockage from standpipe debris and will generally function in a predictable manner whenunder pressurized.

Attaching a 2-1/2” by 2-1/2” gated wye to a standpipe outlet to allow the connection of two2-1/2”, or large diameter hose lines, is not always a recommended practice because 2-1/2” standpipe outlets are only required to flow 250 gpm and may not support flowing twohand lines simultaneously. Pressure-reducing valves (PRV) connected to 2-1/2”standpipe outlets are generally sized for 250-400 gpm and will generally not provideadequate flow for two large diameter hose lines. Initial actions should be to connect asingle large diameter hose line to each standpipe hose connection. Additional hose linescan be connected to standpipe hose connections on lower floors.


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This section is to clarify that automatic standpipes will deliver set outlet pressures and the pressure and volume of water than can be delivered has limitations. Gave examples of what kind of hose line operations could be expected from a couple minimum standard outlet pressure ranges.






















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A6.5.3

The fire pump motor is paired with an impeller that is sized to provide the standpipesystems required water flow capacity. Fire department connections are required to besized to provide one 2-1/2” inlet for every 250 gpm of standpipe capacity. An automaticstandpipe designed to flow 750 gpm would be supplied by a 750 gpm fire pump and wouldhave three 2-1/2” inlets at the fire department connection.


Information showing that the fire pump can provide only a limited volume of water per the size of the fire pump/impeller, sized for system demand. Showing the FDC inlet requirement to match system demand. The point is these systems have a fixed amount of water they are designed to deliver and fire departments should be aware of that when working from these systems.






















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A6.6.1

NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, requires signageat the fire department connection to indicate the pressure required to be pumped into thefire department connection to supply the automatic standpipe system demand. Signageis also required to identify the type of standpipe, whether it is part of a combined sprinklersystem and also the location the standpipe services.

Fire departments should have knowledge of all system demand pressures required tosupport all of the automatic standpipe systems in their jurisdictions. Hose lines used toconnect a hydrant to the intake of a pumper must have a working pressure rating equal toor greater than the available hydrant pressure. Hose lines used to connect the dischargeof a pumper to the fire department connection on an automatic standpipe must have aworking pressure rating equal to or greater than the system demand pressure of theautomatic standpipe system.

NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, limits automaticstandpipe pressures to no more than 350 psi. Fire department pumpers should beconfigured to provide the highest system demand pressure for automatic standpipes intheir jurisdictions. An accepted rule of thumb is one pumper per 150 psi of systemdemand pressure required. The configuration of pumpers must also provide the requiredflow into the fire department connection.

A fire department pumper with a two-stage pump in volume-mode, connected to a hydrantwith 50 psi residual pressure can deliver 200 psi into an automatic standpipe whilemaximizing the pumps flow capacity. 150 psi + 50 psi = 200 psi. At a net dischargepressure of 150 psi, the pump impeller can deliver its maximum flow capacity plusadditional flow from the incoming hydrant pressure. Using a single pumper to supplypressure into systems requiring pressures greater than 200 psi will reduce the flowcapacity of the pump when the pumps net discharge pressure exceeds 150 psi. Operating a two-stage pump in pressure-mode allows the pump to generate higherdischarge pressures at lower engine speeds but limits the pump to half its rated flowcapacity.

Configuring two pumpers in series on a hydrant with 50 psi residual pressure will allow thepumpers to split the work load and deliver 350 psi into the standpipe. 150 + 150 + 50 =350. In a series configuration, both pumps can remain in volume-mode and operate at theoptimum net discharge pressure to maximize the flow capacity of both engines into thestandpipe. Standpipes that are part of a combined system are required to be at least 6”in size. When taking over and supplying water at the system demand pressure into thefire department connection, fire department pumpers with a higher flow capacity than thestandpipe fire pump may potentially increase the flow capacity of the standpipe.


This section is to clarify how water supply operations need to support the system demand pressure and the designed flow rate of the automatic standpipe system. Fire departments should configure the pumper or several pumpers to deliver the needed pressure and flow, but only in a back up capacity as long as the fire pump is working.

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A6.6.3

Fire departments must pump into automatic standpipes at the system demand pressureregardless of the fire location.

A standpipe supplied at one system pressure will have incrementally higher pressures ateach floor below the highest standpipe sprinkler connection by virtue of diminishing headpressure.

Pressure-reducing valves connected to the standpipe utilize water pressure inside thevalve body to manipulate an internal piston which opens and closes to deliver the intendeddischarge pressure and flow. Pressure-reducing valves are designed to operate from thespecific standpipe pressure that is present at each floor while the standpipe is beingsupplied at the system demand pressure.


Explains the requirement and use of pressure reducing valves in single system pressure

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standpipe systems to support the concept of supplying the designed system pressure into standpipes when required to pump into the FDC.























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When an automatic standpipe fire pump is not working and the fire department has takenover supplying water into the standpipe, pumping to the fire floor would not provide thesystem demand inlet pressure required for the pressure reducing valves to function. Thiswould produce significantly low discharge pressures and reduced flow from the pressure-reducing valve.

Automatic standpipes that are combined systems will have sprinkler connections to thestandpipe at each floor. The standpipe pressure at each floor may require a pressurereducing valve to be installed at the sprinkler connection to the standpipe, reducing thestandpipe pressure down to the required sprinkler system operating pressure.

In an automatic standpipe system design where pressure-reducing valves are not installedon the standpipe outlets for hose connections, any sprinkler connection that utilizes apressure-reducing valve will still require the standpipe to be supplied at system demandfor the pressure-reducing valve to operate correctly.

It is possible for the fire department to pump to the fire floor when standpipe outlets forhose connections do not have pressure-reducing valves installed. However, the calculatedpump discharge pressure just to the fire floor or highest operating hose line would not besufficient to allow the sprinkler system pressure-reducing valves to operate correctly. Unless the fire location was at the top of the standpipe and the calculated dischargepressure was equal to the system demand, pumping to the fire floor will effectively take allof the sprinklers connected to the standpipe out of action. It is recommended practice tokeep the sprinklers functioning on and above the fire floor as well as throughout the rest ofthe building whenever possible.

Always pump the system demand pressure when taking over automatic standpipesystems to allow all of the pressure-regulating and distribution components to operatecorrectly. This provides the designed working pressure and flow to any outlet or sprinklerhead in the system.


This explains the need of supplying system demand pressure anytime PRVs or pressure reducing valves are used on either standpipe hose outlets or sprinkler connections to the standpipe. They are designed to operate at one system pressure and reduce that to a specified outlet pressure. Do not pump to the fire floor or the PRVs won't open up and deliver the designed outlet pressure.












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NFPA 20, Standard for the Installation of Stationary Fire Pumps, may require pressure-relief devices to be installed in the standpipe to protect the standpipe from overpressurization.

When pressure-relief devices are required, they must be located on the discharge side ofthe fire pump and before the check valve. A pressure-relief device should not limit thestandpipe pressure when the system demand is supplied through the fire departmentconnection. The intent is to allow the fire department to pump additional pressure abovesystem demand into the fire department connection if necessary. It is recommended topump no more than 50 psi above system demand to avoid over-pressurizing the standpipebeyond its required test pressure and design limitations.

NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, 2010 edition,requires the use of pressure-reducing valves to limit residual and static pressure at theoutlet of the hose connection to no more than 175 psi. Prior to 1993, pressure-reducingvalves were required to limit residual and static pressure at the outlet of the hoseconnection to no more than 100 psi.

Pressure-restricting devices (PRD) limit pressure only when water is flowing. Pressure-restricting devices attached to the discharge threads of existing standpipe outlet valvesmay be removed to increase pressure and flow when necessary. Standpipe outlet valvesmay have removable clips or stops that limit how far the valve can be opened. Removingthe clips or stops will allow the valves to be fully opened and no longer restricting pressureand flow.

Pressure-reducing valves regulate pressure under both flowing and static conditions. Pressure-reducing valves reduce a higher inlet pressure to a lower outlet pressure whichis a ratio of the inlet to outlet pressure. A valve with an inlet pressure of 300 psi with anoutlet pressure of 100 psi would have a pressure reducing ratio of 3:1. Pumping anadditional 50 psi above system demand into the fire department connection would resultin 350 psi to the inlet side of the pressure reducing valve with approximately 117 psi onthe discharge side.

Pressure-reducing valves are installed on automatic standpipe outlets and sprinklerconnections on combined systems. Pressure-reducing valves cannot be removed fromthe standpipe while the system is under pressure. If a pressure-reducing valve wasremoved, the pipe threads at the standpipe connection would not be compatible with firehose threads.


Information to clarify the difference between pressure-relief valves, pressure-restricting valves and pressure reducing valves and their function in a automatic standpipe.









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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 1407-2013 [ Global Input ]

Revise text to read as follows: Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) Emergency Medical Services shall beavailable on site and be capable of immediately providing treatment andtransport to a medical facility.


The language "Emergency Medical Services shall be available on site to handle injuries" is too vague. The standard can currently be met by simply having someone on site that has successfully completed Red Cross first aid training and has a ten dollar first aid kit.


Submitter Full Name:James Caton

Organization: Glynn County Fire Dept.

Submittal Date: Mon Jan 07 09:36:32 EST 2013


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Public Input No. 2-NFPA 1407-2012 [ Section No. A.4.2.1 ]

A.4.2.1

The AHJ should ensure that a standard operating procedure or guideline is in place,which specifies the response of a rapid intervention crew (RIC), conditions requiringthe deployment of a RIC, and the criteria for termination of the rapid interventionfunction at an incident. An example of a standard operating procedure/guideline isprovided in Figure A.4.2.1.

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(1) The AHJ should ensure that there is an emergency evacuation proceduredesigned to evacuate members from an area and to account for their safetywhen an imminent hazard is recognized.

(2) This procedure should include a method to notify all members in the affectedarea immediately by any effective means including audible warning devices,visual signals, and radio signals.

(3) The AHJ should comply with all applicable local, state, and federal laws.

(4) The AHJ should ensure that a risk assessment is conducted prior tocommitting a RIC to a rescue operation.

(5) The AHJ should identify the type and kind of internal resources needed forRICs and should maintain a list of those resources.

(6) The AHJ should identify the type and availability of external resources neededto augment existing capabilities for RICs and should maintain a list of thoseresources. Examples include heavy rescue units, technical rescue teams,urban search and rescue teams, and industrial, military, and other resources.

(7) The AHJ should establish procedures for the provision of those externalresources needed for RIC operations.

Figure A.4.2.1 Example of Departmental Standard OperatingProcedure/Guideline for a Rapid Intervention Crew. (See the uploadedtext for recommended changes to this Figure)

Figure A.4.2.1 Continued

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Additional Proposed Changes

File Name Description Approved

1407_PI2_Recommendation_Figure_A.4.2.1.docxPI #2 Recommendation for Figure A.4.2.1


This example of an SOG is typical of only a very few organizations that have assignments made by dispatch. Since it all is handled by the IC in either case, the verbiage should reflect the typical event run by an IC.Referencing the 2-in, 2-out rule should not constitute a RIC. A RIC should always be a minimum of 4 and any other reference to less should be called what it is, "meeting 2-in, 2-out" regulations but not meeting RIC requirements.Ther was not enough language to suggest the activities of the RIC setting up, getting important information from the IC or being proactive in any way. This is a critical component of being able to be a successful RIC.


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(2) SCOPE. This procedure will apply to all emergency operations where a RIC has been dispatched or is needed.

(3) NOTIFICATION. A RIC will be dispatched by Fire Alarm assigned as defined below:

(3.1) If dispatcher has received reports from more than one source of a structure fire, a First Alarm has been transmitted, a building collapse has been reported, or wWhenever an Incident Commander determines the need for a RIC exists.

(3.2) The dispatcher Incident Commander shall assign a RIC, as needed. designated on the run cards, to respond to the incident.

(3.3) The dispatcher Incident Commander shall notify the Unit that they are assigned as the RIC.

(3.4) The dispatcher shall notify the Incident Commander of the identity of the responding RIC.

(4) PERSONNEL. The RIC team shall meet the following minimum requirements:

(4.1) The team shall consist of a minimum of two four properly trained personnel (NFPA 1500: 6.5.2), but four personnel are preferred and shall be used when possible.

(4.2) As a minimum, team members shall be certified Fire Fighter 1 and Haz Mat Opertional trained.

(5) RIC TEAM POSITION. The RIC shall assume the following positions:

(5.1) The officer of the RIC shall, upon arrival, report to the Incident Commander for a report detailing the Incident Action Plan (IAP), crew locations and assignments, and concerns. and after an initial RIC/Rescue size up (360 degree) remain at the Command Post unless otherwise directed by the IC.

(5.2) The entire RIC shall remain at a position from which they can be readily deployed.

(5.3) At a high-rise or other large-scale operation, the Operations Post shall be the preferred location for the RIC.

(5.4) At large-scale or unusual operations, additional RICs shall be permitted to be positioned at additional locations as determined by the IC.

(6) RIC DUTIES. The following duties shall be done after arrival by RIC:

(6.1) The RIC Unit Officer shall, on arrival, make the Incident Commander aware of the Unit’s presence and designation as the RIC.

(6.2) The RIC officer and one team member shall make an immediate and rapid RIC/Rescue size-up (360 degree) of the fire building and surrounding properties to determine possible rescue positions and needs.

(6.?) The RIC officer shall meet the remainder of the RIC to relay all of the above information and devise a response plan.

(6.?) The entire RIC shall stage any/all equipment needed for possible deployment in a designated and marked (tarp) location and assure all equipment is in operational order.

(6.?) The entire RIC shall be proactive and make the structure “soft” by pre-forcing any exterior doors that may need to be used for access or egress and remove any security bars from windows that may need to be used for access or egress.

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(6.?) If “softening” the structure requires excessive work, a separate crew should be assigned for these tasks to keep the RIC fresh.

(6.3) The RIC shall stand by intact as a unit, ready to act immediately as directed by the IC.

(6.4) While standing by, the RIC team shall determine the availability and location of aerial, tower, and/or portable ladders.

(6.5) The RIC team shall throw a ground ladders to the second floor of the front of the building structure in the vicinity of working crews and other areas deemed necessary by the RIC officer or IC.

(6.6) They shall determine the location of EMS personnel at the scene.

(6.7) The RIC shall maintain a constant state of readiness at all times.

(6.8) Radio messages shall be monitored for any indication of members in distress.

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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 1408-2013 [ New Section after 2.2 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT

NFPA 1801 Standard on Thermal Imagers for the Fire Service 2013 Edition


NFPA 1801 was developed in an effort to assist the fire service in the more efficient and effective use of thermal imagers though standardization. NFPA 1801-2013 was prepared by the Technical Committee on Electronic Safety Equipment (FAE-ELS).ALL fire service thermal imager manufacturers participated in and supported the development of this standard and several have already developed NFPA 1801-2013 certified thermal imagers with several others being developed.NFPA 1801-2013 is a direct result of a NIST workshop conducted in December 2004 (see NIST Special Publication 1040) where the issues of Training and TI standardization were identified as being the 2 most important issues overall to end users and industry alike. In consideration of the more than 50 makes & models of fire service thermal imagers produced it was determined to standardize the thermal imager itself first and then attempt to standardize training.With that in mind the emphasis and intent of NFPA 1801 was to standardize symbols, image quality, durability and much more in a TI BASIC mode of operation. This would allow a standardized basic level of training to be offered by any AHJ, ideally in a Firefighter 1 or 2 program. NFPA 1801-2013 also allows for innovation and growth on the part of industry and for choice on the part of the user by offering access to many unique features that vary from manufacturer to manufacturer in a TI BASIC PLUS mode of operation. This mode of operation still allows the user to revert to the TI BASIC mode if he/she has not been trained in these unique features or simply chooses to revert back to TI BASIC. This is accomplished by simply depressing the GREEN On/Off button. This is one example of standardization that was achieved in NFPA 1801 that NEVER existed in any of the + or -50 other makes or models. It is understood that most agencies do not currently have NFPA 1801 certified thermal imagers and for the time being this proposed standard attempts to address that issue in section 4.2.7.1 and Annex 4.2.7.1.. It is for that very reason NFPA 1801 was developed and it appears obvious that the NFPA Fire Service Training Committee should reference and include NFPA 1801 as they have with other relevant NFPA standards and incorporate its features into NFPA 1408, Standard for Training Fire Service Personnel in the Operation, Care Use and Maintenance of Thermal Imagers


Submitter FullName:

Robert Athanas

Organization: FDNY/SAFE-IR, Inc.

Affilliation:Chairman NFPA Technical Committee on Electronic Safety Equipment(FAE-ELS)



I, Robert Athanas, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all

and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem

and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any61

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and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any




By checking this box I aff irm that I am Robert Athanas, and I agree to be legally bound by the above




Public Input No. 4-NFPA 1408-2013 [ Section No. 3.3 ]

3.3 General Definitions. (Reserved)

Include relevant definitions as found in NFPA 1801-2013 Standard onThermal Imagers for the Fire Service Section 3.3 General Definitions3 . 3. 1


In an effort to simplify and standardize TI Training reference to NFPA 1801-2013 Section 3.3 General Definitions should be made for continuity of terminology in NFPA standards.


Submitter FullName:

Robert Athanas

Organization: FDNY/SAFE-IR, Inc.

Affilliation:Chairman NFPA Technical Committee on Electronic Safety Equipment(FAE-ELS)













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Public Input No. 6-NFPA 1408-2013 [ New Section after 4.2.6 ]

TITLE OF NEW CONTENT

4.2.6.1 The training program shall include crew training.


Based on 4.2.6 and the annexed material 4.2.6 , competency should be evaluated both on an individual basis and as a crew. They are two separate tasks and should be separate.



Public Input No. 5-NFPA 1408-2013 [Section No. 4.2.6] divide into 2 sections


Submitter Full Name:Robert Athanas

Organization: FDNY/SAFE-IR, Incorporated













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Public Input No. 5-NFPA 1408-2013 [ Section No. 4.2.6 ]

4.2.6*

The training program shall include both individual and crewtraining include individual training .


Based on 4.2.6 and the annexed material 4.2.6 , competency should be evaluated both on an individual basis and as a crew. They are two separate tasks and should be separate.
















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Public Input No. 7-NFPA 1408-2013 [ Section No. 4.2.8 [Excluding any

Sub-Sections] ]

Members shall be provided with classroom education and TI hands on training andclassroom education on familiarization in its function before being permitted tooperate (TI) in IDLH atmospheres.


Members should first be provided with classroom education before hands on application. Hands On training may include an IDLH as referenced in Chapter 4 section 4.2.8.1 which states “Smoke produced from live fire shall be prohibited in TI training sessions until the participant has demonstrated proficiency with SCBA acceptable to the AHJ.and Chapter 5 and specifically in 5.2.2 which states “When performing TI training involving live fire, the instructor in charge shall be responsible for ensuring compliance with NFPA 1403, Standard on Live Fire Training Evolutions. If you are providing training in smoke and or live fire in accordance with NFPA 1403 then TI hands on familiarization in the use and function is required prior to training in an IDLH not TI hands on training before TI hands on training.
















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Public Input No. 8-NFPA 1408-2013 [ Section No. 4.2.8.1 ]

4.2.8.1

Smoke produced from live fire shall be prohibited in TI training sessions until theparticipant the member has demonstrated proficiency with SCBA acceptable tothe AHJ.


Replace participant with member for continuity. Consideration should also be given to referencing and utilizing terminology in referenced standards such as NFPA 1403 for consistency.




Submittal Date: Thu Jan 03 00:09:02 EST 2013












Public Input No. 9-NFPA 1408-2013 [ Section No. 5.1 [Excluding any

Sub-Sections] ]

All training related to the operation, application, use and limitations, and care andmaintenance of TI’s shall be provided by instructors meeting the JPR’s of Instructor I ofNFPA 1041, Standard for Fire Service Instructor Professional Qualifications

, or instructors that have been trained and certified by the TI manufacturer, or authorizeddistributor, orand shall have a minimum of 3 years experience using a thermal imager in fire serviceapplications. Instructors shall also have knowledge of the specific features and functions of

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the thermal imager to be trained on as provided by the manufacturer and NFPA1801, Standard on Thermal Imagers for the Fire Service or as approved by the AHJ.


As referenced in Annex 5.1.1 of this proposed standard, “ Thermal imaging training must be conducted by instructors who are knowledgeable in the utilization of infrared technology in emergency incident mitigation.” My understanding of this statement is that the instructor should possess more knowledge of the subject to be taught than the students they are teaching. Therefore a minimum of 3 years experience using a thermal imager should be required. This 3 year period is justified with the understanding that the opportunity for a potential instructor to experience all areas of emergency incident mitigation required to be taught as referenced in Chapter 7 section 7.1.8 may be limited due to their call volume / experience over 3 years. There are far too many fire service instructors today who are attempting to teach students when they themselves have never done it before. There is a difference between having a thermal imager in your fire department or on your fire truck and using it.Most TI manufacturers either on a corporate level or a distributor level have not been and should not be providing certification. To what standard? Frequently salesmen do not possess the firefighting experience or knowledge of thermal imaging or both. Manufactures and distributors can and should provide orientation on the function and specific features of their particular thermal imager to their customers. Historically that too has been deficient though as most users of fire service thermal imagers are not aware of even the basic functionality of their specific thermal imager. To rely on an industry whose lively hood is to manufacture and sell a product to train firefighters on how to use it in emergency incident mitigation applications is unrealistic. I do not believe that SCBA salesmen teach mask confidence. Automobile salesmen don’t teach you how to drive.
















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7.1.1

All participants using TI shall interpret display colors the colors displayed and thetemperatures or temperature ranges associated with the colors that are specific tothe TI being used.


Almost every make and model of thermal imager today has color, usually yellow, orange and red. These are displayed when the TI senses a specific temperature or temperature range. In some thermal imagers the color appears and remains as long as the scene remains at that temperature. In other models it may appear and when a certain percentage of the viewing screen displays anywhere from 2% to 15% of the color, usually red, the TI will shift or change modes and the color will disappear. At this point the imager has adjusted to compensate for the higher temperature in an effort to maintain a proper image of the scene. It is important to know what these temperatures are and when the imager has shifted because it happens in a wide range of temperatures anywhere from 288°F to 1200°F depending on the make and model of TI. It should be noted that this is a critical function of thermal imagers and the users’ image interpretation. User knowledge of this occurrence was simplified and addressed in NFPA 1801 Standard on Thermal Imagers for the Fire Service section 6.6.4.1.8. .
















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7.1.6

All participants shall understand thermal imaging technology including BariumStrontium Titanate (BST), Microbolometer Vanadium Oxide (Vox) andMicrobolometer Amorphous Silicon (aSi) BST, Microbolometer .


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7.1.7*

All participants shall understand Image Interpretation and misinterpretationincluding:

Distance to view and recognize an object is dependent upon the environmentyou’re operating in.

Image clarity is dependent upon the environment and conditions such as rain,snow, heat.

Image will be compromised due to depth perception.

Mirrors and shiny objects all cause reflectivity thus not providing accurateinformation to the participant.

The ability to “see” thermal energy through a window is dependent on the type ofIR sensor, the type of glass and the thermal conditions.

False readings.

Understand the emissivity values of materials as they pertain to two or moredifferent materials in the imager’s field of vision.

Water will give a reflective image thus not providing accurate information to theparticipant.

Delete all and regroup / classify for better clarity.

Some of the items listed are relative to the inherent limitations of thermal imaging and shouldbe classified as such.


Delete all and regroup / classify for better clarity.

Some of the items listed are relative to the inherent limitations of thermal imaging and should be classified as such.
















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Public Input No. 1-NFPA 1408-2012 [ Section No. A.4.2.7.1 ]

A.4.2.7.1

The intent of 4.2.7.1 is to ensure that the TI’s TI used to train personnel is of thesame specific type and manufacture that are used within the jurisdiction. In somecases, such as at state and community college training facilities, participants mayhave to participate in initial training in TI’s unlike those used in the local jurisdiction.Upon return to the local jurisdiction additional training must take place in order tobuild upon the skills already learned. This training must utilize the specific type andmanufacturer of TI’s TI that will be utilized by your department.


Thermal Imagers should be referred to the same throughout the document, whether its TI, TI's or Thermal Imagers.


Submitter Full Name:Corey Wilson


Submittal Date: Wed Oct 17 13:48:03 EDT 2012


I, Corey Wilson, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and






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5.2.2*

In addition to the requirements set forth in 5.2.1 , the company officer shall ensurethat the following are accomplished in interior structural fires: The First DueCompany Officer or Acting Officer/IC shall perform the strategic responsibilities thatare outlined in NFPA 1021, Fire Officer I, 2.6.2 and 2.6.3 and NFPA 1561, 4.2.8 and4.7.5.

(1) At least two fire fighters enter the immediately dangerous to life and health(IDLH) atmosphere and remain in visual or voice contact with each other at alltimes.

(2) At least two fire fighters are located outside the IDLH atmosphere.

(3) All fire fighters engaged in interior structural fire fighting use SCBA.

(4) *The first arriving Company Officer or Acting Officer/IC shall not performtraining evolutions as part of the Engine Company.


5.2.2. Clarifies that the incident commander should be performing incident commander duties as outlined in NFPA 1021 and 1561. During training evolutions these duties should be practiced to ensure they are proficient in the tasks they are expected to perform. 5.2.2(4) Further clarifies the proposed 5.2.2 that the incident commander should not be performing training evolutions, such as pulling hose lines, when they are the incident commander. They should be performing the duties of the incident commander.


Submitter Full Name:Charles Aughenbaugh

Organization: New Jersey Deputy Fire Chiefs

Submittal Date: Tue Dec 11 12:34:01 EST 2012


I, Charles Aughenbaugh, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)

all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of

Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in

any publication of the NFPA in w hich this Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I



By checking this box I aff irm that I am Charles Aughenbaugh, and I agree to be legally bound by the above




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Public Input No. 4-NFPA 1410-2012 [ Section No. 5.2.5.1 ]

5.2.5.1 1 Emergency scene operations shall be limited to those that canbe safely conducted by the number of personnel on the scene and thetraining drill shall reinforce this.

Renumber the remaining paragraph.

5.2.5.1 The number of units and personnel normally assigned to respond onan initial alarm shall report to the evaluator at the assigned area.


5.2.5.1 Brings existing annex language to the body of the standard and makes sure training evolutions are performed safely with the personnel present.
















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5.2. 7 All training drills shall address the National Incident ManagementSystem and OSHA Mandates that are adopted by law.

Renumber remaining paragraph.

5.2. 7

Nozzles and other equipment used shall be of the type provided on the apparatus.


5.2.7 Enforced that all incidents should be conducted per NIMS.
















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Public Input No. 3-NFPA 1410-2012 [ New Section after A.5.2.3 ]

A.5.2.4(4) Numerous NFPA Standards require that the incident commander perform size-up, accountability, develop the action plan and ensure scene safety, among other duties,this prohibits the officer from performing emergency scene operations. Using officers duringtraining evolutions as part of the team does not represent the true duties and actions thatcan be performed at an emergency scene by the initial companies See NFPA 1500, 1021,1561, 1710, and 1720.


5.2.2. Clarifies that the incident commander should be performing incident commander duties as outlined in NFPA 1021 and 1561. During training evolutions these duties should be practiced to ensure they are proficient in the tasks they are expected to perform. 5.2.2(4) Further clarifies the proposed 5.2.2 that the incident commander should not be performing training evolutions, such as pulling hose lines, when they are the incident commander. They should be performing the duties of the incident commander.
















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