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AGENDA NFPA Technical Committee on Building Construction
NFPA 220, NFPA 221 and NFPA 5000 Second Draft Meeting Monday, May 20, 2013
DoubleTree Hotel San Diego Downtown 1646 Front Street
San Diego, California
1. Call to Order. Call meeting to order by Chair, Joseph Versteeg at 8:00 a.m. on May 20, 2013 at the Double Tree by Hilton Hotel, San Diego, California.
2. Self-introduction of Committee Members and Guests. For a current committee roster, pg. 2.
3. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes. Approve the May 21-22, 2012 meeting minutes, see pg. 5.
4. Staff Report - T. Vecchiarelli -New Process Power Point Presentation, see pg 8.
5. NFPA 220 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be
distributed before the meeting date.
6. NFPA 221 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be distributed before the meeting date.
7. NFPA 5000 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be distributed before the meeting date.
8. Hazardous Areas, see pg. 14.
9. Definitions Task Group, see pg 15.
10. Other Business.
11. Next Meeting.
12. Adjournment.
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Address List No PhoneBuilding Construction BLD-BLC
Building Code
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli04/02/2013
BLD-BLC
Joseph H. Versteeg
ChairVersteeg Associates86 University DriveTorrington, CT 06790International Fire Marshals Association
E 10/27/2005BLD-BLC
Farid Alfawakhiri
PrincipalAmerican Iron and Steel Institute380 Cottonwood LaneNaperville, IL 60540Alternate: Jonathan Humble
M 7/23/2008
BLD-BLC
Raymond J. Battalora
PrincipalAon Fire Protection Engineering1701 North Collins Blvd., Suite 235Richardson, TX 75080-3553Alternate: Edward R. LaPine
I 7/26/2007BLD-BLC
Jesse J. Beitel
PrincipalHughes Associates, Inc.3610 Commerce Drive, Suite 817Baltimore, MD 21227-1652
SE 4/3/2003
BLD-BLC
David S. Collins
PrincipalThe Preview Group, Inc.632 Race StreetCincinnati, OH 45202American Institute of Architects
SE 7/16/2003BLD-BLC
Peter Cutrer
PrincipalSanford Fire Department972 Main StreetSanford, ME 04073
E 10/29/2012
BLD-BLC
Richard J. Davis
PrincipalFM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Alternate: Scott K. Anderson
I 4/3/2003BLD-BLC
Alan J. Dopart
PrincipalWillis of New Jersey350 Mt. Kemble AvenueMorristown, NJ 07962
I 4/3/2003
BLD-BLC
Victor L. Dubrowski
PrincipalCode Consultants, Inc.2043 Woodland ParkwaySt. Louis, MO 63146-4235
SE 7/16/2003BLD-BLC
David W. Frable
PrincipalUS General Services AdministrationPublic Buildings Service665 Green Meadow LaneGeneva, IL 60134
U 4/3/2003
BLD-BLC
Sam W. Francis
PrincipalAmerican Wood Council1 Dutton Farm LaneWest Grove, PA 19390American Forest & Paper AssociationAlternate: Dennis L. Pitts
M 4/3/2003BLD-BLC
Joseph T. Holland
PrincipalHoover Treated Wood Products1225 North Halifax AvenueDaytona Beach, FL 32118Alternate: David G. Bueche
M 7/16/2003
BLD-BLC
Jeffrey M. Hugo
PrincipalNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.1088 West Borton RoadEssexville, MI 48732Alternate: Robert B. Treiber
M 7/26/2007
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Address List No PhoneBuilding Construction BLD-BLC
Building Code
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli04/02/2013
BLD-BLC
Robert L. Lemon, Jr.
PrincipalAmericana Construction Group, Inc.Americana Inspection Services12213 Bucky AvenuePO Box 4838Hagerstown, MD 21740
SE 8/9/2011BLD-BLC
Dale Litton
PrincipalTexas Instruments, Inc.13020 TI Boulevard, MS 3619Dallas, TX 75243Semiconductor Industry AssociationAlternate: William E. Koffel
U 10/27/2009
BLD-BLC
Vickie J. Lovell
PrincipalInterCode Incorporated200 NE 2nd Avenue, Suite 309Delray Beach, FL 33444Alliance for Fire & Smoke Containment & Control, Inc.
M 08/09/2012BLD-BLC
Joe McElvaney
PrincipalPhoenix Fire Department150 South 12th streetPhoenix, AZ 85034
E 10/27/2005
BLD-BLC
Renato R. Molina
PrincipalThe RJA Group, Inc.Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.14502 Greenview Drive, Suite 500Laurel, MD 20708Alternate: Thomas Izbicki
SE 4/3/2003BLD-BLC
John G. Richards
PrincipalUS Army Corps of Engineers404 Longview AveWinchester, VA 22601
U 3/1/2011
BLD-BLC
Brad Schiffer
PrincipalBrad Schiffer/Taxis, Inc.520 Sugar Pine LaneNaples, FL 34108
SE 4/3/2003BLD-BLC
Robert A. Wessel
PrincipalGypsum Association6525 Belcrest Road, Suite 480Hyattsville, MD 20782Alternate: Michael A. Gardner
M 4/3/2003
BLD-BLC
Peter J. Willse
PrincipalXL Global Asset Protection Services100 Constitution Plaza, 12th FloorHartford, CT 06103
I 4/3/2003BLD-BLC
Luke C. Woods
PrincipalUL LLC146 Nathaniel DriveWhitinsville, MA 01588
RT 03/07/2013
BLD-BLC
Scott K. Anderson
AlternateFM Global1151 Boston Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Principal: Richard J. Davis
I 3/21/2006BLD-BLC
David G. Bueche
AlternateHoover Treated Wood Products13768 West Asbury CircleLakewood, CO 80228Principal: Joseph T. Holland
M 11/2/2006
BLD-BLC
Michael A. Gardner
AlternateGypsum Association6525 Belcrest Road, Suite 480Hyattsville, MD 20782Principal: Robert A. Wessel
M 7/16/2003BLD-BLC
Jonathan Humble
AlternateAmerican Iron and Steel Institute45 South Main Street, Suite 312West Hartford, CT 06107-2402Principal: Farid Alfawakhiri
M 7/23/2008
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Address List No PhoneBuilding Construction BLD-BLC
Building Code
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli04/02/2013
BLD-BLC
Thomas Izbicki
AlternateThe RJA Group, Inc.Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.2301 West Plano Parkway, Suite 210Plano, TX 75075Principal: Renato R. Molina
SE 8/9/2011BLD-BLC
William E. Koffel
AlternateKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Semiconductor Industry AssociationPrincipal: Dale Litton
U 7/16/2003
BLD-BLC
Edward R. LaPine
AlternateAon Fire Protection Engineering Corporation2555 East Camelback Road Suite 700Phoenix, AZ 85016Principal: Raymond J. Battalora
I 10/29/2012BLD-BLC
Dennis L. Pitts
AlternateAmerican Wood Council1721 West Plano Parkway, #224Plano, TX 75075American Forest & Paper AssociationPrincipal: Sam W. Francis
M 4/3/2003
BLD-BLC
Robert B. Treiber
AlternateNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.2366 Georgeland TrailCenterville, OH 45459Principal: Jeffrey M. Hugo
M 10/23/2003BLD-BLC
Tracy L. Vecchiarelli
Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
01/04/2010
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BLDBLC 52012 FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 1
COMMITTEES ON NFPA BUILDING CODE Technical Committee on Building Construction
NFPA 220, 221 and 5000 First Draft Meeting Minutes Monday-Tuesday, May 21-22, 2012
Indianapolis Convention Center Indianapolis, IN
1. Call to Order. The meeting was called to order by Chair Joseph Versteeg at 8:00 a.m. on May 21, 2012 at the Indianapolis Convention Center, Indianapolis, IN.
2. Introduction of Committee Members and Guests. TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT
NAME COMPANY Joseph H. Versteeg, Chair Versteeg Associates
Rep: International Fire Marshals Assoc. Tracy Golinveaux, (Staff-Nonvoting)
National Fire Protection Association
David S. Collins, Principal The Preview Group, Inc. Rep: American Institute of Architects
Richard J. Davis, Principal FM Global Victor L. Dubrowski, Principal Code Consultants, Inc. Joseph T. Holland, Principal Hoover Treated Wood Products Jeffrey M. Hugo, Principal National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. Peter J. Willse, Principal XL Global Asset Protection Services David G. Bueche Alt. to Joseph T. Holland
Hoover Treated Wood Products
Joshua W. Elvove Alt. to David W. Frable
US General Services Administration
Jonathan Humble Alt. to Farid Alfawakhiri
American Iron and Steel Institute
William E. Koffel Alt. to Dale Litton
Koffel Associates, Inc. Rep: Semiconductor Industry Association
Dennis L. Pitts Alt. to Sam W. Francis
American Wood Council Rep: American Forest & Paper Association
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BLDBLC 52012 FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 2
GUESTS
NAME COMPANY Jim Bowman AWC Gregory Harrington NFPA Vickie Lovell Intercode Alliance for Fire/Smoke John Rickard Katus, LLC
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOT PRESENT
NAME COMPANY Farid Alfawakhiri, Principal American Iron and Steel Institute Raymond J. Battalora, Principal Aon Fire Protection Engineering Jesse J. Beitel, Principal Hughes Associates, Inc. Alan J. Dopart, Principal Willis of New Jersey David W. Frable, Principal US General Services Administration Sam W. Francis, Principal American Wood Council
Rep: American Forest & Paper Association Robert L. Lemon, Jr., Principal Americana Construction Group, Inc. Dale Litton, Principal Texas Instruments, Inc.
Rep: Semiconductor Industry Association Gregory F. Masterson, Principal Liberty Mutual Property
Rep: Property Casualty Insurers Association of America
Joe McElvaney, Principal Phoenix Fire Department Renato R. Molina, Principal The RJA Group, Inc. John G. Richards, Principal US Army Corps of Engineers Brad Schiffer, Principal Brad Schiffer/Taxis, Inc. Stephen V. Skalko, Principal Portland Cement Association Robert A. Wessel, Principal Gypsum Association
3. Approval of Prior Meeting Minutes. The October 6, 2010 meeting minutes were
approved as written and distributed.
4. The New Process Review and Staff Liaison Report. Amy Cronin presented the New Process Review and Tracy Golinveaux reviewed the meeting actions and staff report.
5. NFPA 5000 First Draft (formerly ROP) Preparation. The committee reviewed all of
the submitted Public Inputs and developed First Revisions. 6. NFPA 220 First Draft (formerly ROP) Preparation. The committee reviewed all of
the submitted Public Inputs and developed First Revisions.
7. NFPA 221 First Draft (formerly ROP) Preparation. The committee reviewed all of the submitted Public Inputs and developed First Revisions.
8. Task Group Discussion. The recommendations from the task group were included in the agenda package and were reviewed as part of the First Draft Preparations.
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BLDBLC 52012 FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 3
9. Suggested Editorial Revisions. The recommended editorial revisions were included in
the agenda package and were reviewed as part of the First Draft Preparations.
10. Other Business.
11. Future Meetings. The proposed Second Draft meeting date is May 20, 2013. The location is TBD.
12. Adjournment. The meeting was adjourned at 12:00pm on May 22, 2012.
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NFPA 101/5000Building Construction
Committee
May 20, 2013
San Diego, CA
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If the fire alarm sounds, pleaseIf the fire alarm sounds, please proceed to an exit
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Members, please verify/update your contact information
Use of tape recorders or other means capable of reproducing verbatimcapable of reproducing verbatim transcriptions of this meeting is not permitted
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GuestsAll guests are asked to sign in and
identify their affiliations
Participation is limited to TC members or those individuals who have previously requested time to address the committee
Other participation is granted at the discretion of the Chair
Guest seating is located around the room
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Members categorized in ANY interest category who have been retained to represent the interests of ANOTHER interest category must declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting, both in the meeting and on the ballot item
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General ProceduresFollow Robert’s Rules of Order
Di i i tiDiscussion requires a motion
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Motions for Ending Debate - Move Previous Question or “Call the Question”Not in order when another has the floor
Requires a second
This motion is not debatable and does not automatically stop debate
A 2/3 affirmative vote immediately closes debate and returns to the original motion on the floor
Less then 2/3 allows debate to continue
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Committee member actions:
Member addresses the chair Receives recognition from the chair I t d th ti Introduces the motion Another member seconds the
motion
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Committee chair actions:
States the motionCalls for discussionEnsures all issues have been heardTakes the voteAnnounces the result of the vote
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Technical Committee on Building ConstructionConsumer, 0 Member: 0%Enforcer, 3 Members: 13%Insurance 4 Member: 17%Insurance, 4 Member: 17%Manufacturer, 6 Members: 26%Research & Testing, 1 Member: 4%Special Expert, 6 Members: 26%User, 3 Members: 13%Installer/Maintainer, 0 Members: 0%Labor, 0 Members: 0%
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Timeline
Comment Stage (Second Draft):Public Comment Closing Date: 05/03/2013Second Draft Meeting: TodayPosting of Second Draft for TC Balloting: 08/23/2013Posting of Second Draft for TC Balloting: 08/23/2013Posting of Second Draft for NITMAM: 01/03/2014
Tech Session Preparation:NITMAM Closing Date: 02/07/2014NITMAM /CAM Posting Date: 04/04/2014NFPA Annual Meeting: 06/09-12/2014 (Las Vegas)
Standards Council Issuance: Issuance of Documents with CAM: 08/14/2014 edition date
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Changes in Terms:New Term Old Term
Comment Stage ROC Stage
Public Comment Public Comment
Second Draft Meeting ROC Meeting
Second RevisionCommittee Comment or Accepted
Public Comment
Committee Comment(a Second Revision that failed
ballot)
(a Comment reported as Rejected due to failed ballot)
Second Draft Report ROC
Second Draft ROC Draft
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• Technical Committee Actions:
Resolving Public CommentsResolving Public Comments Committee Action and Committee Statement
Creating Second Revisions
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• Resolving Public Comments (See Regs §4.4.8.1)Committee develops a Committee Action Accept
Reject but see…
Reject
Reject but Hold
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• Committee StatementsCommittee must clearly indicate reasons for not
accepting the recommendation and/or point to a relevant Second RevisionAll Public Comments Actions must have a
Committee StatementCommittee StatementMust include a valid technical reasonNo vague references to “intent”Explain how the submitter’s substantiation is
inadequateNeither Public Comment Actions nor Committee
Statements get balloted
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• Create a Second Revision (SR)Committee wants to make a change (to
add, delete or modify) the First Draft
Committee develops a Committee Statement (CS) substantiating the change
Each SR gets balloted
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No “new material” after the Public Input Stage since it hasn’t had the benefit of public review
What constitutes new material is decided by th T h i l C itt C l tithe Technical Committee or Correlating Committee
Adding “new material” at the Comment Stage could successfully be challenged through appeal to the Standards Council
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Formal voting Voting during meeting is used to
establish a sense of agreement (simple majority)(simple majority)
Secured by letter ballot (2/3 agreement)Only the results of the formal ballot
determine the official position of the committee on the Second Draft
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Ballots are on the Second Revisions (SR) ONLYPublic Comment Actions and Committee
Statements not ballotedReference materials are available - Second Draft, Public Comments, First Draft Report
Ballot form allows you to vote: Ballot form allows you to vote: Affirmative on all SRAffirmative on all SR with exceptions specifically
noted Ballot form provides a column for affirmative
with commentNote: This box needs to be checked only if there
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Initial ballot
Circulation of negatives and comments
Members may change votes during circulationcirculation
Second Revision that fails letter ballot is designated as a Committee Comment (in the 2nd Draft Report), marked as “Reject” and deleted from the Second Draft.
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If a Second Revision fails ballot and the subject text was a result of a First Draft change, a Supplementary Ballot is conducted
Ballot asks TC if it still favors the First Revision change reported in the First DraftIf Y h S d If Yes, same change appears as Second Revision and is shown in the Second Draft
If No, the change appears as a Committee Comment (rejected) and the text reverts to previous edition
See Regs §4.4.10.2.1
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Electronic Balloting Electronic Balloting • Ballots will be an online format• Alternates are strongly encouraged
to return ballots
• Ballot session will time out after 90 minutes
• Use “submit” to save your work
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Click link on the ballot email received
Sign in with NFPA.org Committee Login and Password
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Select either Affirmative on All or Affirmative with Exception(s)
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Use “See FR/SR - #” link to review all First/Second Revisions
Use “Edit election” to change individual votes or to modify vote after submitting ballot
Choosing AFFIRMATIVE ON ALL
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Make selection: Affirmative with Comment, Negative, or Abstain
No selection made-defaults to affirmative Must include comment on each vote
Choosing AFFIRMATIVE WITH EXCEPTION(S)
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To complete ballot click Participant Consent and Submit
Return and edit any votes before ballot due date
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TC Struggles with an Issue
• TC needs data on a new technology or
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Code Fund Lends a Hand
• TC rep and/or staff liaison submits a C d F d
Research Project Carried Out
• Funding for project is provided by th C d F demerging
issue• Two opposing
views on an issue with no real data
• Data presented is not trusted by committee
Code Fund Request
• Requests are reviewed by a Panel and chosen based on need / feasibility
the Code Fund and/or industry sponsors
• Project is completed and data is available to TC
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Antitrust: the single most important provision- Federal law prohibits contracts, combinations, or conspiracies which unreasonably restrain trade or commerce Section 1 of the Sherman Act
Patent: Disclosures of essential patent claims should be made by the patent holder, but others may also notify NFPA if they believe that a proposed or existing NFPA standard includes an essential patent claim
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Activities Disapproved by the CourtsPacking meetings
Hiding commercial interest throwing the committees out of balance
No final decision-making authority to unbalanced Task Groups; include all interested parties
Hiding scientific or technical information from committees
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Hazardous Areas Attachment
The Minutes item from the SAF-AAC Correlating Committee’s November 6, 2012 meeting follows:
Hazardous Materials. Jeff Tubbs raised the issue of whether NFPA 101 should
address hazardous materials (as done in NFPA 5000 Chapter 34). The committee
noted that health hazards are not within the scope of NFPA 101. Conflicts exist
among the NFPA codes. It was agreed to:
o Add the subject of hazardous materials to the agenda for all NFPA 101
technical committee Second Draft meetings
o Gather comments from each technical committee including whether it
wants to participate in a task group on the subject of hazardous materials
o Report results to the Correlating Committee at its Second Draft review
meeting
o Ask the Standards Council, after the Correlating Committee’s Second
Draft meeting, to establish a task group from the membership of the NFPA
1, 30, 101, 400 and 5000 committees to address conflicts and overlapping
requirements related to hazardous materials
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Cote, Ron
From: Cote, RonSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:33 PMTo: Bigda, Kristin; Harrington, Greg; Fraser, Allan; Vecchiarelli, TracyCc: Solomon, RobertSubject: SAF Agenda Item for Second Draft Meetings
Please add the subject of Definitions to each SAF/BLD technical committee Second Draft meeting agenda for which you serve as staff liaison. Each Technical Committee chair is asked to identify a member to serve on the definitions task group. The Minutes item from the SAF-AAC Correlating Committee’s November 6, 2012 meeting follows:
Definitions. The committee agreed to have each defined term assigned to a specific technical committee so that committee would have responsibility for the maintenance and revision of such term. A task group is to be formed after the Second Draft meetings of the current revision cycle. The task group will report to the Correlating Committee (CC) its recommendations for the definitions assignments in time for the CC to review the recommendations at its first meeting of the 2018 revision cycle. Each Technical Committee chair is asked to identify a member to serve on the task group.
Allan and Tracy, the BLD-AAC Correlating Committee asked that same be done by the NFPA 5000 TCs. Ron Coté, P.E. Principal Life Safety Engineer NFPA - Quincy, MA USA
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