posted: tue jul 31, 2012 21:37 pm - bristol bike...

Posted:TueJul31,201221:37pmbydw300Ok,soIwasgoingtogettheGarminGSC10andGarminANT+USBstickandsignuptoTrainerRoad,butsinceI'dplannedonupgradingtoaGarmin500atsomepointIjustwentaheadandboughttheHR/Cadbundle(203onWigglewith10%vouchercode)sinceitworksoutcheaperthangettingtheGSC10andbuyingthe500andHRmonitorseparatelylateron.Stuffgetsdeliveredtomorrow!

So,perhapsanyonethatusesTRcouldposttheirsetupandtalkabouthowtheyuseit,whatprogramstheylikeandwhatresultsthey'regetting?IknowJGSIandT.M.H.N.E.T.areusersfromanotherthread.Ideterminedtogetaproperwinter'strainingthisyear.

Foranyonewhodoesn'tknowhere'sa brief video of what it does(90secs),andhere'sa longer one(17mins).

I'llstart..withmysetup..

Trainer:EliteCronoFluidElastogel(#95ontheirsupportedtrainerlist..EliteFluidAluAKAChronoFluidElastoGel)Receiver:GarminANT+USBLaptop:OldMacbook(requiresOSX10.6minimumforTR)ANT+SpeedCadenceSensor:GarminGSC10ANT+HRMonitor:Garmin(notsureofthemodelyet)

Willtrytodothe20minutetesttomorrow..

Posted:WedAug01,201209:36ambyJGSI

Morethanhappytoassist... UsingaTacxsartoriwithaTrainerroadsettingofitonresistancelevel4for'proxy'powerreadout.

Windows7withtheGarminUSBstick/GSC10forspeedandcadenceandfromtodayaGarminHRM.

SoatthemomentfollowingaTRplanbasedon'novice'competitorwithaTSSaverageof331weeklyandjustover5hoursvolumeweekly.Ihaveonlyafewmoreracesleftonthecalendarsothishelpswithkeepingthingstickingovernicely.TogetabaseofFTP,IdidthetR'20minute'testalthoughittakesanhourtocompleteandwasntexactlypleasant.

ProgivesmuchmuchmorefocusinyourTurboworkoutswiththeinformationfeedback.ConwellthepowerreadoutisnotgoingtobeSRMstandard!

Posted:WedAug01,201210:06ambymzm70Justsignedupforthe1monthtrial,mysetup:KKR&RMacbookAir+ANT+USBstick+GSC10+Powertap

Firsttryoutthismorning,actuallyveryimpressed.What'salsoniceistheyhaveintegratedSufferfestvideos(youneedtoownthevideofirst).Onthesurfacethere'salargeportfolioofsessions,therearealsotrainingprogramsutilizingthesesessions.

Thesessionisalsouploadedtotheirwebsiteandallthedetailedtraininginformationisavailableonline.

Posted:WedAug01,201210:06ambyamaferangaUsingthatturbotrainertoestimatepowerisabitofajoke.IknowthatsinceIhaveoneandaproperpowermeter.IassumethatallthatTrainerRoaddoisgetholdofthemanufacturerspowerprofileandusethattoestimatepower?

FWIWhere'sspeed(topgraph)withconstantpower(apartfromthelastminuteorsoofeachintervalwherepowergoesupabit)withmyEliteSupercronoturbo:

AndthesamewithaCycleopsFluid2:

Sowhilesometurboscangiveameaningfulpowerfigureusingspeed,theElitefluidtrainerisIMEnotoneofthose.You'dprobablybebettertouseRPEthanthehighlytemperaturedependentpowerfigureyou'llgetfromTrainerRoadforthatturbo.

Posted:WedAug01,201210:28ambyJGSITrainerRoaddosay:"WegivethreewaystotrainatTrainerRoad.Power,VirtualPowerandheartrate.

PowerHandsdown,trainingwithapowermeteristhebestwaytopushyourselftothenextlevel.It'saccuracyissecondtonone.Ifyou'retrainingwithpower,200wattsis200watts.Itdoesn'tmatterifyourtired,atadifferentaltitudeorattheendofarace.Thelawsofphysicsdon'tchange.

Thedownsideisthatpowermetersstartatabout$700andgoupto$3000+.It'salargeinvestment.

VirtualPowerIfyoudon'thaveapowermeter,wethinkVirtualPoweristhenextbestthing.Ifyoukeepyoursetupconsistent,youcangetconsistentpowernumbers.Youstillgettheadvantagesofworkoutnumbersthataren'taffectedbyhowtiredyouare.

HeartRateHeartrateisstillgood.Somepeopleswearbyit.Wedon'tlikethatittakesawhileforyourhearttorespondtointervals.Ifyou'redoingshortintervals,it'sveryhardtogaugethecorrectoutput.

Anotherthingthat'stoughisheartratedrift.Asyoudomoreintervals,youravghrforeachintervalgoesup.Toseeanexample,justcheckoutourridefeed.You'llnoticethatsomeone'spoweroutputstaysconsistentfor4intervals,buteachintervalhasahighaverageheartrate.

Ifyouworkoutwithheartratenow,IsuggestyougiveVirtualPoweratest.Ithinkyou'lllikeit."

IhaveseencommentabouttheEliteandthewayitrespondsasnotbeing,let'ssay,thebesttoputitpolitely.Idon'thaveanissuewithmysimpleasmagsartori..easytokeepthingsconstant.

Posted:WedAug01,201210:36am

bywhojanicanackerovI`vejustsignedupforthetrainerroad.Usingwindows7Garminant+stickPowertappro+

IthoughtIwouldgiveitgotomakethingsmoreinterestingontheturbo.Sofarsogoodit`sanicesystemItstillneedsalittlefinetuningbutIfIhavecomeacrossabugandmailedthemtheyhavegotstraightbacktome.tohelpwiththeproblem.Iftrainerroads"virtualtrainerpower"isonthehighsidecomparedtorealpowertap,SRMfiguresthiswouldn`tmatterasyouhavesomethingtoworkwithconsistentlyweekonweektomonitoryourprogression.AllinallI`mfindingitasgreattooltohelpwithmytraining.I`veonlybeenridingsincethe1stofJansoIneedallthehelpIcanget,tohelptakemymindofthepainthatridingbikesgivesus!!Ihopeallthatmakessenseaswritingisn`tmystrongpoint

Posted:WedAug01,201211:10ambydw300Don'tgetmewrong..Idon'texpectthata130turbowillhelpgiveaccuratepowerreadingscomparedtoaPowertaporSRM.I'mreallyjustlookingforsomethingtogivestructuredworkouts.I'mconsideringgettingmyhandsonaPowertapsometimeinthedistantfutureifIcanafforditandifIthinkitwillgiveafurtheredge.

Howmuchdoyouthinktheerrorinvolvedwillaffectresultsbetweenthesameworkoutonthesamesetup?Iassumethattheharderyouworkandthemoreheat,thelessresistanceyou'llhave?

Posted:WedAug01,201211:41ambyJGSIThemoreworkoutsyoudo,themoreyougetto'recognise'theeffortlevelsinvolved.Thenumbersaretheretokeepyourtrainingontrackratherthan'bragging'rights.

Posted:WedAug01,201214:16pmbyT.M.H.N.E.TNeitherofyourlinkswork!

NotaTRuseryet!BeenwaitingforsomeOTtogointomywagesthenI'mofftoawellknownauctionsite.TBHIdon'tthinkmyturboisevenlistedbutwhatmattersisthingsstayconstant.Makeslittledifferencetomeifthereadingsareout,aslongastheygoup.

IwasactuallyconsideringatotalupgradetoGarmin500orBrytonRider50T,untilIchanceduponaYTvidthatshowshowtoswaptheBrytonsensorbetweenspeedorcadence.IthinkI'dmuchratherhavethemboth!

Posted:WedAug01,201214:33pmbydw300

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:Neitherofyourlinkswork!

NotaTRuseryet!BeenwaitingforsomeOTtogointomywagesthenI'mofftoawellknownauctionsite.TBHIdon'tthinkmyturboisevenlistedbutwhatmattersisthingsstayconstant.Makeslittledifferencetomeifthereadingsareout,aslongastheygoup.

IwasactuallyconsideringatotalupgradetoGarmin500orBrytonRider50T,untilIchanceduponaYTvidthatshowshowtoswaptheBrytonsensorbetweenspeedorcadence.IthinkI'dmuchratherhavethemboth!

Linksfixed.One'sthevideoyoupreviouslylinkedmeto.

ApparentlymypackagecheckedintoCitylinkat1506..hopefullyit'llbedeliveredtodaysinceI'vestayedinalldaybasedontheirpredicteddeliverydate.

Posted:WedAug01,201215:03pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T

Suunto Movestick Mini

AlsoworkswithGarminAgentandTRhttp://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/02/much ... -your.html

Posted:WedAug01,201219:12pmbydeanflyerUsingtrainerroadwithLemondRevolution,GarminGSC10,BontragerANT+speedsensorandGarminANT+USBstick.

UsingittorecoverfromashoulderinjuryandkeepfituntilIcangetbackoutontheroad.

Seemsgoodsofar,havealsoboughtsomeofthesufferfestvideos.

Posted:WedAug01,201219:34pmbyGarryboyBeenusingtrainerroadforaboutamonthandreallylikeit.

Imusingitwith

CyclopsjetfluidproGarmin500Garmingsc10GarminhrmDellmininetbookGarminusbstickSufferfestvids

IfindIpushmyselfmoreandsticktothestructureoftheworkout.PreviouslyIwouldgethunguponmyoverallaveragemph,ratherthanensuringtheintervalswereintenseenough.

WillbeusingitmorethanI'dpreferinnextcoupleofweeksasmyonlyroadworthybikeisknack'd(sramrivalrearshifterfailed).

Posted:ThuAug02,201210:33am

byGiantMikeIsTRadownloadordoyouhavetobeonlinetouseit?

Posted:ThuAug02,201210:40ambyT.M.H.N.E.T

GiantMikewrote:IsTRadownloadordoyouhavetobeonlinetouseit?

Download+10$amonthsubscription

Posted:ThuAug02,201210:56ambyJGSIAndwhenyouinstalltheapplicationonpc/mac,itcanbeusedofflineasitstoresalocaldatabasewiththevariousworkoutsandsynchuplater.

Posted:ThuAug02,201212:17pmbypoynedexteratthispointihavetodeclaremyhand.

atnostagedoiunderstandthisthread.i'maluditeandrideabicycle.

andforthatreason......i'mout.....

Posted:ThuAug02,201218:22pmbywhojanicanackerovSoDW300haveyouhadarideonTRyet?

WhatsallyournamesONTRsoIcancheckyourridesout?

Posted:FriAug03,201201:16am

bydw300Ha,yeh,IjustdidmyfirstTRride..

Iwentoutabout1930foraride,andpuncturedafter16miles,lessthan5minswalkfromhome,soIjustwalkeditin.ThenIwatchedabitoftheOlympicsandjumpedonthetrainerafterI'dchangedmytube.

Ididthe'20MinuteTest'ataboutmidnight.IguessedmyFTPtobeabout170(lol,yesI'malightweight)basedonStrava'sestimationforontheroadTTefforts,butputin160asIwasfeelinglazyanddidn'twanttohurttoomuch.Ialsofigureditdidn'treallymatteratthispointsincethetestisforcalculationFTPanyway.

Jumpedon,didthefirsthalfhourandthoughtitfeltaboutright,maybealittleeasy.Itwaslookingformetosustain170Wforthe20mins,butItriedtoholditaround190tostartwithandgraduallyletitslide.Averaged182Wforthe20mins.

Afewthoughtswentthroughmyheadduringthetest..

1.Halfwaythroughthe20minutepartihadapainrightinmyleftkneecap.I'vehaditbeforeonceortwice,butaslongasitdoesn'tgettoosoreIjustworkthroughit,whichIdid.

2.Ihadanotherpaininatendonbehindmyrightknee.I'vehadthatalottoo,usuallywhenIdon'tgetabreakfrompedallingforalongtime.Probablyjustabitoftendinitis.

2b.MyHRdidn'tgoabove170.Mymaxisabout185188,andIcansustain180+ontheroadforanumberofminutes.ButonthetrainerIjustcouldn'tpushitharder,notbecauseofheartorlunglimitations,butbecausemylegshurt.

3.I'mgoingtoturnthe'pedaltostart'functionoffsothatIcantakebreaksfrompedallingduringtherestperiods,ifIstarttohurt.

4.Myar$ereallyhurt!

Soooo..eventhoughIdoabout90milesaweek,plusacoupleoflighttrainersessions,Iwascompletelyunpreparedforatoughtrainersession.Butbeingabletostanduporstoppedallingshouldseethoseache'sandpainsright.

ButIthinkthishashighlightedaweakness.Igetbybyspinningeverywhere.WhenI'moutand

there'saheadwindIsimplyslowdownifI'msolo.IwheelsuckifI'minagroup!Ilikeputtingmyeffortinonclimbsinstead.Ridingthetrainerinthatbigagearfeelslikeridingintoastiffheadwind..feelsmoreastrainonmylegsthanmyfitness.

Hasavoidingpushingthebiggearsbeentomydetriment?Iamgettingfaster,butamIlimitingmyprogress?IusuallyavoidittoreducerecoverytimessoIcangetoutmore.

Isthereadifferencebetweengeneratingxamountofpowerspinningupasteepclimb,comparedtochurningalongontheflat?Iknowthatsomepeoplesaythatthatbiggeartrainingisuseless,andyou'llgofurtherbyspinning.ButI'mhavingsecondthoughts.

Anyadvice?

PS.I'mdw300onTR.

Posted:FriAug03,201204:16ambyEyoreroxSomemorediscussionIcouldnotfindtheTacxsatorisonTrainerRoadhttp://forums.roadbikereview.com/genera ... 70667.html

Posted:FriAug03,201207:43am

byJGSI

Eyoreroxwrote:SomemorediscussionIcouldnotfindtheTacxsatorisonTrainerRoadhttp://forums.roadbikereview.com/genera ... 70667.html

InyourTrainerRoadprofilepageyoujustchoosetheTurboortraineryouhave...Sartoriisthereinthelist

The4referstotheresistancesettingyouwanttousefrom1to10.On4,itisenoughformetousethegearingonthebiketomimicbestthe'roadfeel'

Themainissuewithlongerturbosessionsisthetendencytostayrootedin1positionallthetime..thisleadstomegadiscomfort..formeanythingover60minutesisabitofachallenge...youseeguysdoingthe3hourworkoutsandwondering..notforme.ThemostrecommendedtrainerappearstotheKurtKinetic..howeverthatisonepriceytrainer!

Posted:FriAug03,201208:45ambyphy2sll2

So,hasanyonedoneoneormoreoftheir'plans'?

Iliketheideaofintegrationwithsufferfest,butwithoutthatsortofmotivation,Ican'timaginemyselfbashingoutthreeworkoutsaweekonthetrainer.

Posted:FriAug03,201211:24ambywhojanicanackerov

dw300wrote:Ha,yeh,IjustdidmyfirstTRride..

Iwentoutabout1930foraride,andpuncturedafter16miles,lessthan5minswalkfromhome,soIjustwalkeditin.ThenIwatchedabitoftheOlympicsandjumpedonthetrainerafterI'dchangedmytube.

Ididthe'20MinuteTest'ataboutmidnight.IguessedmyFTPtobeabout170(lol,yesI'malightweight)basedonStrava'sestimationforontheroadTTefforts,butputin160asIwasfeelinglazyanddidn'twanttohurttoomuch.Ialsofigureditdidn'treallymatteratthispointsincethetestisforcalculationFTPanyway.

Jumpedon,didthefirsthalfhourandthoughtitfeltaboutright,maybealittleeasy.Itwaslookingformetosustain170Wforthe20mins,butItriedtoholditaround190tostartwithandgraduallyletitslide.Averaged182Wforthe20mins.

Afewthoughtswentthroughmyheadduringthetest..

1.Halfwaythroughthe20minutepartihadapainrightinmyleftkneecap.I'vehaditbeforeonceortwice,butaslongasitdoesn'tgettoosoreIjustworkthroughit,whichIdid.

2.Ihadanotherpaininatendonbehindmyrightknee.I'vehadthatalottoo,usuallywhenIdon'tgetabreakfrompedallingforalongtime.Probablyjustabitoftendinitis.

2b.MyHRdidn'tgoabove170.Mymaxisabout185188,andIcansustain180+ontheroadforanumberofminutes.ButonthetrainerIjustcouldn'tpushitharder,notbecauseofheartorlunglimitations,butbecausemylegshurt.

3.I'mgoingtoturnthe'pedaltostart'functionoffsothatIcantakebreaksfrompedallingduringtherestperiods,ifIstarttohurt.

4.Myar$ereallyhurt!

Soooo..eventhoughIdoabout90milesaweek,plusacoupleoflighttrainer

sessions,Iwascompletelyunpreparedforatoughtrainersession.Butbeingabletostanduporstoppedallingshouldseethoseache'sandpainsright.

ButIthinkthishashighlightedaweakness.Igetbybyspinningeverywhere.WhenI'moutandthere'saheadwindIsimplyslowdownifI'msolo.IwheelsuckifI'minagroup!Ilikeputtingmyeffortinonclimbsinstead.Ridingthetrainerinthatbigagearfeelslikeridingintoastiffheadwind..feelsmoreastrainonmylegsthanmyfitness.

Hasavoidingpushingthebiggearsbeentomydetriment?Iamgettingfaster,butamIlimitingmyprogress?IusuallyavoidittoreducerecoverytimessoIcangetoutmore.

Isthereadifferencebetweengeneratingxamountofpowerspinningupasteepclimb,comparedtochurningalongontheflat?Iknowthatsomepeoplesaythatthatbiggeartrainingisuseless,andyou'llgofurtherbyspinning.ButI'mhavingsecondthoughts.

Anyadvice?

PS.I'mdw300onTR.

Advicewouldbe,Startateliminatingridingpaingettingyourbikefitspoton.Youmayhavealreadydoneallthisbutmaybeyoucouldreworkthingsagain.Makesurecleatsonshoeshavetheballsofyourfeetcentraltopeddleaxle.Feelyourkneecapandjustbelowitontheoutersideofthekneecapisabonethatsticksoutslightlytakeapieceofstringwithaweightonthebottomandtheirshouldbeastraightlinefromthatbonetothepedalaxle.Getsomeoneelsetocheckitwhilstyoursatproperlyonyourbike.Thisshouldthenruleoutkneepains.Yourrightaboutsittingatthebackofthepackonclubrunsontheflatgetupfrontanddosomeworkintothewind.Itwillmakeyoustrong!!Biggearworkwillmakeyourlegsstronger.Ifyoukeeptrainingthesamewaythenyouwillkeepwiththesameresultsyouneedtomixthingsuptogetstronger.Istronglyrecommendthe20minutepoweracceleratorplanonTR...ifyoufollowittotheTyouwillprogresstothenextlevel.I`mPendlePunisheronTR

Posted:FriAug03,201214:08pmbydw300

whojanicanackerovwrote:Advicewouldbe,Startateliminatingridingpaingettingyourbikefitspoton.Youmayhavealreadydoneallthisbutmaybeyoucouldreworkthingsagain.Makesurecleatsonshoeshavetheballsofyourfeetcentraltopeddleaxle.Feelyourkneecapandjustbelowitontheoutersideofthekneecapisabonethatsticksoutslightlytakeapieceofstringwithaweightonthebottomandtheirshouldbeastraightlinefromthatbonetothepedalaxle.Getsomeoneelsetocheckitwhilstyoursatproperlyonyourbike.Thisshouldthenruleoutkneepains.Yourrightaboutsittingatthebackofthepackonclubrunsontheflatgetupfrontanddosomeworkintothewind.Itwillmakeyoustrong!!Biggearworkwillmakeyourlegsstronger.Ifyoukeeptrainingthesamewaythenyouwillkeepwiththesameresultsyouneedtomixthingsuptogetstronger.Istronglyrecommendthe20minutepoweracceleratorplanonTR...ifyoufollowittotheTyouwillprogresstothenextlevel.I`mPendlePunisheronTR

Thanksfortheadvice,i'llgivethosethingsatry.It'llbeinterestingtotrysomethingdifferentandseewhatperformancedifferenceitmakes.

Asfarassetupgoes,irecentlyboughtanewinlineseatposttogetmefurtherforward,howeverIthinkIcouldprobablygoforwardmore.IcouldprobablydowithshortercranksIreckon.Imightchangethemwhenmychainringneedschangednext.Canyougetaseatpostwithforwardoffset?

Canyounot'follow'peopleonTR?


phy2sll2wrote:So,hasanyonedoneoneormoreoftheir'plans'?

Iliketheideaofintegrationwithsufferfest,butwithoutthatsortofmotivation,Ican'timaginemyselfbashingoutthreeworkoutsaweekonthetrainer.

I'dkindaliketomaybe3roadridesaweekandmaybe12trainersessionsperweekduringthesummer.SoI'mlookingforonethatmightletmedothat.I'venotreadtheiradviceoncombiningroadandtrainerworkyet.

Posted:FriAug03,201215:49pmbywhojanicanackerovDw300Ivebeentrainingsince1stjanthisyearandIhavefoundthattheturbohasbeenthekeyfactorinhelPingdevelopmyftp.ithinkmostcoacheshaveyoudoingturboworkasontheroadtherearevariables.ontheturboconditionsdon'tchangeandyoucan'tstoppedallingoritshowsintheresults.Twostructuredturbosessionsaweekwillgiveyouaverygoodreturninfitness.

Posted:FriAug03,201221:09pmbyNatePearson

dw300wrote:Canyounot'follow'peopleonTR?

NatefromTrainerRoadhere.Youcan'tfollowpeopleonTrainerRoad,butthatsoundsreally

cool! Weshoulddothat .

Wouldyouwantnoticesoftheirridessenttoyou?Ormorelikea"buddy"listwhereyoucanseearidefeedofallofthepeopleyoufollow?I'mthinkingthelatter.


GiantMikewrote:IsTRadownloadordoyouhavetobeonlinetouseit?

HeyMike,tobemorespecificyoujusthavetohavethesoftwareconnecttotheinternetonce

amonthtovalidatelicense.Besidesthat,youcandoallofyourworkoutswithoutaninternetconnection.

Posted:FriAug03,201222:42pmbywhojanicanackerov

NatePearsonwrote:


NatefromTrainerRoadhere.Youcan'tfollowpeopleonTrainerRoad,butthat

soundsreallycool! Weshoulddothat .


Natethatsoundslikeaplantome.Abuddylistandnotificationofrideswouldbefantastic!!YoualsoneedtoworkontheridespagebecauseIcannotaccesspage2orbeyond.ViewingothermembersridesisverymotivationalThebugneedssortingASAPthanks.

Posted:FriAug03,201223:10pmbymikey2341Ican'twaittohaveagoonthisassoonasIgetaturbo,wouldthecycleopsjelfluidprobeagoodplacetostart?


NatePearsonwrote:





Nate..Ilikethebuddylistandthenaridefeed.Aswithmostthingsonthe'netorwithapps,thelessclickspeoplehavetodo,thebetter.Eitherhaveafeedasthedefaultscreenafterlogin,orperhapshavea'Social'tabintheuserspage.

Asahugestatsgeek,I'dlovetoseecomparativetimesandeffortspulledoutofadatabaseofpeoplematchingyourage,physicalattributesandequipment.

Iknowyou'reallabouttraining,butbeingabletouploadridedataontheflysomehow,and

haveliveraceswhereyouchallengeyourbuddiescouldturnthisintoaPS3beater!

Posted:SatAug04,201206:20ambywhojanicanackerov

mikey2341wrote:Ican'twaittohaveagoonthisassoonasIgetaturbo,wouldthecycleopsjelfluidprobeagoodplacetostart?

YES

Posted:SatAug04,201207:23ambyJGSI

NatePearsonwrote:





It'sgreattoseeasoftwaredevelopersuchakeeninterestintheirproduct!Welcomeindeed!

Posted:MonAug06,201215:14pmbyT.M.H.N.E.TAspostedearlierIfoundwiththehelpofRayofdcrainmakerblog,aslightlycheaperwaytogoANT+

GarminGSC1043

GarminANT+USBStick31

Or

SuuntoMovestickUSBANT+29.99

WahooSpeed/Cadence31.62

^Purchasingthesewhenmypayclears andmyTRusernameisTrihardni

GarminANT+HRM28.54(Optional)

Posted:TueAug07,201210:03ambywhojanicanackerov

THMNETyourusernameisntshowinganythingintheridesPage?DW300it`sbeen5dayssinceyourlastrideonTRcomeonladnopainnogainhehe.

Posted:TueAug07,201210:17ambyJGSIIfhe'slikeme,Sunday'srideneeded48hoursrecovery!Tipoftheweek,ifyouuseSufferfestanddownloadHellhathnoFuryanduseit,makesureyouhaveplentyinthetank.IhaveusedSufferfestsforoverayearandthisisprobablythehardestIhavetrainedto.itisessentially2xFTPtestsonthebounceandthensomemore.

Posted:TueAug07,201210:49ambyT.M.H.N.E.THaventusedityet,waitingonthehardware

Posted:TueAug07,201211:32ambydw300

whojanicanackerovwrote:THMNETyourusernameisntshowinganythingintheridesPage?DW300it`sbeen5dayssinceyourlastrideonTRcomeonladnopainnogainhehe.

Lol..IdidgetoutontheroadonSaturdayandSunday.Ididarecoverysessionlastnighttoseewhatthatfeltlike.MylegshurttodayandI'mnotsurewhetherit'scumulativefatigueorDOMSfromSunday.

DoyouguyscountyourTSS?I'mon460sinceThursday(5days).I'mtryingtoworkouthowmanyIcandoinaweekandrecoverok.Thenworkin4weekblocksatgraduallyincreasingpercentages(upto100ormaybe105).I'mthinkingthatmightworkslightlybetterthanjusthoursormiles.

Posted:TueAug07,201213:41pmbywhojanicanackerovDwIhaveaPowertapandonSaturdaysclubruntheTSS369YesterdayItrainedonTRintheafternoonThenat530wentfora80kbikerideupinthemtheirhills!!Yesmylegsweresorebeforetheeveningridebutyou'llbesurprisedwhatthebodycanwithstand.Ireadapostawhileagobysbezzaonthisforumabouttrainingwithtiredlegsandhowyoucanovercomeitandreaptherewards.SowhenyouthinkyoudoneenoughdoaboutmoreLol.EvenGrahamObreesaidsomethinglikethatonthecyclingshowtheotherweek.MaybeyoucouldfindatempoorsweetspotrideonTRforwhenyoudon'tfeelasstrong??Painistemporyglorylastsforever!!!!!Andwhoevercomeupwiththatsayinglied!!Itneverstops!!!!

Posted:TueAug07,201216:24pmbydw300

whojanicanackerovwrote:DwIhaveaPowertapandonSaturdaysclubruntheTSS369YesterdayItrainedonTRintheafternoonThenat530wentfora80kbikerideupinthemtheirhills!!Yesmylegsweresorebeforetheeveningridebutyou'llbesurprisedwhatthebodycanwithstand.Ireadapostawhileagobysbezzaonthisforumabouttrainingwithtiredlegsandhowyoucanovercomeitandreaptherewards.SowhenyouthinkyoudoneenoughdoaboutmoreLol.EvenGrahamObreesaidsomethinglikethatonthecyclingshowtheotherweek.MaybeyoucouldfindatempoorsweetspotrideonTRforwhenyoudon'tfeelasstrong??Painistemporyglorylastsforever!!!!!Andwhoevercomeupwiththatsayinglied!!Itneverstops!!!!

Excellent,thisisexactlywhatIwanttobehearing.IthinkthegreatthingaboutStravaandTRandthelikeisthatyouseeexactlyhowlittleeffortyouareputtingincomparedtosome

people!

IknowTSScapacityisgoingtovaryslightlyfrompersontopersondependinghowlongthey'vebeenriding,physicalfactors,ageetc.ButI'mslightlyunclearastowhytheTSSscoresperweekforthetrainingplansseemprettylow.Iknowthatplentyofpeoplewillgetintothe200,300or400sforonerideregularly,soI'dassumethetrainingplanswouldhavehadhigherTSS.Iguessit'sbecausemostsessionsareinthe12hourrangeandnota6+hourweekendramble?

Doyouhaveanysuggestionsfortrainingwithamorepowerfulrider?MyFTPis172..ithinkthat'sreasonablyaccurate,buttheguyIridewithmostlyisaround230,heweighsabout30lbsmore.IfeellikeI'montherivetjustkeepingupwithhimridinghissweetspot.Iusuallytryanddraghimintothehillsasmuchaspossible,eventhoughhispowertoweightisstillbetter,atleastIcanseehiminthedistanceforlonger!

Posted:TueAug07,201218:29pmbywhojanicanackerovWellwhenIfirsteverdidanFTPtestitwasroughly170.1stJanthisyearI`mnearly40.InotbraggingI`mjustsayingwithworkitwillcomebetter.Iusedacyclingcoachfollowingastricttrainingplan.Theplanstartedwithaturboride(FTPraising)TuesdayandThursday,bigroadrideSaturdayandrecoveryonSunday.Consistenttrainingwilldeliverconsistentresultsiswhatmycoachtellsme.Sodothe20minuteplanontrainerroad.Ordoaslightlymodifiedone.TuesdayandThursdayusingridesfromthe20minuteplanbecausetheseridesaredesignedto

raiseyourFTP.Stillgooutontheroadwithyourfriendsandripitup!!RemembertheseFTPraisingrideshurtlikehellregardlessofyourFTPsoyournotonyourownwherepainisconcerned.JustpushthroughthepainusingMusicandbeaggressivewithyourthoughtsandimaginationnotgivingintothepaininyourlegs.IwillbecheckingyourridesoutonTRandIbetifyourconsistentyoucanhit200in6weeks.Howoldareyou?IdohopeI`mnotcomingacrossasacleverar$eorawannabecoachI`mjusttryingtoshare

whathavingaCoachhasdoneforme. IaintnoBradleyWigginseventhoughIdo

havethesideburnshaha.

P`sIleftyouacommentonyourtodaysrideonTR

Posted:TueAug07,201222:38pmbydw300IjusthadalookatmyfirstStravaride..http://app.strava.com/rides/9451477

Andcomparedittomymostrecent..http://app.strava.com/rides/16625877

I'mupabout25Wfora3hrridein11weeks.Idon'tknowhowthatwouldequatetomyFTP..Youcanalsoseethatmyshorttermpower15minsisupsignificantly.I'mcurrentlyat2.5FTP/kg

Butyeh,I'llhavealookatthepowerbuildingworkouts.I'm33bytheway.I'mactuallynotworkingatthemomentduetoredundancy,soIhavealotoftimetotrain,Ijustneedtotryandbalanceitwithrideswithmyfriends.Ialsodon'tmindthefreeadviceforthesame

reason.

Posted:WedAug08,201206:55ambywhojanicanackerovI`vecheckedyourStravaandyourcertainlyimproving.I`malsofollowingyounowOnStrava.

Posted:WedAug08,201210:59ambyT.M.H.N.E.TJustneedCad/SpeedsensorandHRMtoarrive!LovehowsmalltheSuuntoMovestickis!

Posted:WedAug08,201213:02pmbyDubcatGuysbitofasillyquestionherebutcaniuseTRonmymountainbike?IhaveacheapebaywheelwithatrainertyrewhichiusewhenmountingmyMTBonmyTACXturbotrainer.

IfItrainonmyMTBwillthishavegoodbenefitsforwhenIridearoadbike?Idon'twanttoputmyroadbikeontheturbotrainer.

Thanks.Dub.

Posted:WedAug08,201213:03pmbyT.M.H.N.E.TAslongasthetyrerollssmoothandyouhaveminimumofANT+speed/cadencesensorthenyes,thebiketypereallyisn'trelevant.

Posted:WedAug08,201213:12pmbyDubcatThanksitisthetacxtyreanddefinitelyrollssmooth.NowIneedtodecidewhetherIbuytheGSC10+GarminANT+stickorbuyanedge500bundle.Ialreadyhaveaforerunner210IREALLYwishIhadjustgotthe910XTnow.Ohwell.

Posted:WedAug08,201213:25pmbywhojanicanackerov

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:JustneedCad/SpeedsensorandHRMtoarrive!LovehowsmalltheSuuntoMovestickis!

WOWdon`tputthatdownyou`llloseit!SosmallcomparedtoGarminstick


whojanicanackerovwrote:

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:JustneedCad/SpeedsensorandHRMtoarrive!LovehowsmalltheSuuntoMovestickis!

WOWdon`tputthatdownyou`llloseit!SosmallcomparedtoGarminstick

IpluggeditinandletthegenericUSBANT+driversinstall.It'ssaferinaportthanlyingonmydesklol!

Posted:WedAug08,201221:47pmbydw300Wow,that'satinyUSBstump.Mindoutitdoesntdisappearinsideyourcomputer!

I'llfollowyoutoowhojan,cheers.

MyusualcycingbuddyisheadingtoSwitzerlandforsomehighaltitudetrainingnextTuesday.Therestofhisfamilyseemtobeundertheimpressionthatit'saholiday!Butanyway..I'mhopingdesperatelyforsomehighlylocalisedraininmyareaforthatweeksoIcandosomestructuredtrainingwithTR,andseewhereI'mat.

Gonareallypushmybuddywhenhegetsbackonour20minuteTT,andseehowbeingintheAlpsforaweekhelpshim.

Posted:ThuAug09,201206:48ambywhojanicanackerovSoundslikeyourbuddywillbegoingwellwhenhecomeshomewiththehighaltitudestuff!!!WorkhardonTRwhilehe`sawayotherwisehewillbedroppingyouLOL.YeahfollowmeonStrava.

Posted:ThuAug09,201211:44ambyT.M.H.N.E.THardwaresarrived,testdatatofollow.

Fittedandfunctioningperfectly!

Posted:ThuAug09,201213:56pmbydw300

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:Hardwaresarrived,testdatatofollow.


Caneit!

Posted:ThuAug09,201214:12pmbydanowat

dw300wrote:

whojanicanackerovwrote:DwIhaveaPowertapandonSaturdaysclubruntheTSS369

YesterdayItrainedonTRintheafternoonThenat530wentfora80kbikerideupinthemtheirhills!!Yesmylegsweresorebeforetheeveningridebutyou'llbesurprisedwhatthebodycanwithstand.Ireadapostawhileagobysbezzaonthisforumabouttrainingwithtiredlegsandhowyoucanovercomeitandreaptherewards.SowhenyouthinkyoudoneenoughdoaboutmoreLol.EvenGrahamObreesaidsomethinglikethatonthecyclingshowtheotherweek.MaybeyoucouldfindatempoorsweetspotrideonTRforwhenyoudon'tfeelasstrong??Painistemporyglorylastsforever!!!!!Andwhoevercomeupwiththatsayinglied!!Itneverstops!!!!

Excellent,thisisexactlywhatIwanttobehearing.IthinkthegreatthingaboutStravaandTRandthelikeisthatyouseeexactlyhowlittleeffortyouareputtingincomparedtosomepeople!

IknowTSScapacityisgoingtovaryslightlyfrompersontopersondependinghowlongthey'vebeenriding,physicalfactors,ageetc.ButI'mslightlyunclearastowhytheTSSscoresperweekforthetrainingplansseemprettylow.Iknowthatplentyofpeoplewillgetintothe200,300or400sforonerideregularly,soI'dassumethetrainingplanswouldhavehadhigherTSS.Iguessit'sbecausemostsessionsareinthe12hourrangeandnota6+hourweekendramble?

Doyouhaveanysuggestionsfortrainingwithamorepowerfulrider?MyFTPis172..ithinkthat'sreasonablyaccurate,buttheguyIridewithmostlyisaround230,heweighsabout30lbsmore.IfeellikeI'montherivetjustkeepingupwithhimridinghissweetspot.Iusuallytryanddraghimintothehillsasmuchaspossible,eventhoughhispowertoweightisstillbetter,atleastIcanseehiminthedistanceforlonger!

TSSisagoodindicatorofjusthowfarthepowermeasurementsareout,"peopleareregularlyriding400TSS"?,really,that'saHECKofaride,myTSSfora12hrTTis"only"530TSS.Rememberthat100TSSisanhouratthreshold(orFTP),soit'sanhourprettymuchashardasyoucan.......FTPisn'tsomethingyoucanguess,itiswhatitis,allthis"virtualpower"isjustarandomnumbergenerator.

Posted:ThuAug09,201214:59pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T

dw300wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:Hardwaresarrived,testdatatofollow.


Caneit!

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/71958

NoHRMyetbutmyaveragewas119onmycateye

Trainer:EliteVolareMagReceiver:SuuntoMovestickMiniDesktoppc:4yroldselfbuild.2.4quadcore4gb1gbvideoANT+SpeedCadenceSensor:WahooFitnessspeed/cadence(thisonecanactuallybelengthenedtoprovidecadenceonrecumbentbikeslol)ANT+HRMonitor:Garminsomething,monitorisbundledwiththeForerunner405butANT+still

Posted:ThuAug09,201215:20pmbyJGSI

danowatwrote:TSSisagoodindicatorofjusthowfarthepowermeasurementsareout,"peopleareregularlyriding400TSS"?,really,that'saHECKofaride,myTSSfora12hrTTis"only"530TSS.Rememberthat100TSSisanhouratthreshold(orFTP),soit'sanhourprettymuchashardasyoucan.......

FTPisn'tsomethingyoucanguess,itiswhatitis,allthis"virtualpower"isjustarandomnumbergenerator.

Ireckonmyowntssscores,calibratedfromusingTRandthisaswellfromTrainingPeaks

areprettyspoton.NowaywouldIthinkaboutestimatingevenaraceattsslevelsyouhavepointedto.My75milerinStaffs/Derbyhilswasonlyjustover200Ireckon.Peopleareprobablygoingabitdaftwithbiggertssvalues.

Posted:ThuAug09,201215:28pmbywhojanicanackerovDanowatIdon`tquiteunderstandwhatyoursayinghereaboutsomepeopleclaiming400TSSrides.SomeoftheSaturdayclubrunsIhavedonehaveaTSSof450+IuseapowertaphaveacoachandcanproveitthroughTrainingpeaks.IfIhavemisunderstoodyouthenIAPOLOGISEinadvanceLOL.IfIhave`ntandyourdirectingthatclaimatmethenIbetyou1000!!Icanproveit!!450+TSSonclubrunsonsomesaturdays.


danowatwrote:TSSisagoodindicatorofjusthowfarthepowermeasurementsareout,"peopleareregularlyriding400TSS"?,really,that'saHECKofaride,myTSSfor

a12hrTTis"only"530TSS.Rememberthat100TSSisanhouratthreshold(orFTP),soit'sanhourprettymuchashardasyoucan.......FTPisn'tsomethingyoucanguess,itiswhatitis,allthis"virtualpower"isjustarandomnumbergenerator.

HispowertaptoldhimthathisSundayclubridewasintheregionof370..hewasn'ttalkingaboutTR.PlentyofSundayridesare46hoursbrokenintotwohalvesgoing8085%FTP,Idon'tseewhy400wouldbesounattainable.

Ican'timagineridingmybikefor12hours..i'dimagineitwouldbeanfairlylowintensityrideforthemostpart..it'sahugeeconomydrive.Ipresumeit'sdoneonaTTbiketoo,meaningyougofasterwithlesspower.

Posted:ThuAug09,201218:02pmbydanowatMypointis,overatedTSSisagoodsignofincorrectFTP,tworidesof200TSSdon'tadduptoa

400TSSride

Howlongarethese450TSSrides?,asthatisa4.5hrrideatthreshold,linktotheride?,I'dbeinterestedtoseeit.

12hrTTwasriddenatthetopendofZ2,withthefinal2hr'satthelowendofZ3,asforfasterwithlesspower,poweriswhatitis,I'dhaveriddentheexactsamepowerifIwereonaroadbike.

Posted:ThuAug09,201219:07pmbydw300HasanyoneusingtrainerroadthathasapowermeterriddenusingvirtualpoweronTRandpowerontheirbikecomputertocheckthedifferencesimultaneously?

Posted:ThuAug09,201220:21pmbywhojanicanackerovMY470TSSridewas100milesthattook6hrsintheyorkshirenationalparkwherehillsarehillsandthesheeparenervousHAHA.Lastweekendsclubrunwas85milesTSS367yorkshiredalesagainbutasofterrunwithlessspeedbumpsprettygoodavgspeedthoughlol.

Posted:ThuAug09,201220:28pmbywhojanicanackerovDWIcouldtrythatoutifIfindthetime.I`msureIhavereadsomewherethatTRvirtualpowerisslightlyoverrealpowerfigures.Thisshouldnotbeaproblembecauseyouaretrainingagainst"whatyouwereyesterday"andnotthefigureofsomeoneelsewho`srideyourlookingat.consistencyisallyouneedjustmakesurethetyrepressureisthesameeachrideandyou`vecrackedit.

Posted:ThuAug09,201220:53pmbyJGSI

whojanicanackerovwrote:DWIcouldtrythatoutifIfindthetime.I`msureIhavereadsomewherethatTRvirtualpowerisslightlyoverrealpowerfigures.Thisshouldnotbeaproblembecauseyouaretrainingagainst"whatyouwereyesterday"

andnotthefigureofsomeoneelsewho`srideyourlookingat.consistencyisallyouneedjustmakesurethetyrepressureisthesameeachrideandyou`vecrackedit.

Areyoustillworkingon170ftp?Mytssscorelastweekwasnearly600,andIgenuinelyneeded2fullrestdaysbeforefeelinggoodagain.Thisweekhaveclockedup200havealongroadsessionplannedtomorrwanotherinnerringridetokeeptheintensitypurposelylow.FollowingtheoneofthewhatIcall'tickover'plansoffTR,theweeklyaverageshouldbe330orthereabouts.Itfeelsjustright.


T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/71958



Wereyouatthemaxyouthoughtyoucouldsustainforthe20mins?Iknowtherearewarmupandrestperiods,soavgHRcouldbelow,butIthoughttheavgwouldbehigherthanthat.Minewas131andmyHRonlygotto165duringthe20mins.

Posted:ThuAug09,201222:06pm

byNatePearson

dw300wrote:Iknowyou'reallabouttraining,butbeingabletouploadridedataontheflysomehow,andhaveliveraceswhereyouchallengeyourbuddiescouldturn

thisintoaPS3beater!

Workingonit

Posted:ThuAug09,201222:13pmbyNatePearson

dw300wrote:IknowTSScapacityisgoingtovaryslightlyfrompersontopersondependinghowlongthey'vebeenriding,physicalfactors,ageetc.ButI'mslightlyunclearastowhytheTSSscoresperweekforthetrainingplansseemprettylow.Iknowthatplentyofpeoplewillgetintothe200,300or400sforonerideregularly,soI'dassumethetrainingplanswouldhavehadhigherTSS.Iguessit'sbecausemostsessionsareinthe12hourrangeandnota6+hourweekendramble?

Tryoneoftheadvancedplansforacoupleweeksandseeifyoucanhang .It'sallaboutconsistencyandtimeclosetothresholddayinanddayout.Someproscanridebigbigdaysbacktobacktoback,butforusmortals7hoursaweekonthetrainerdoingintervalswill

makeyouintoaprettyfitmortal .

dw300wrote:Doyouhaveanysuggestionsfortrainingwithamorepowerfulrider?MyFTPis172..ithinkthat'sreasonablyaccurate,buttheguyIridewithmostlyisaround230,heweighsabout30lbsmore.IfeellikeI'montherivetjustkeepingupwithhimridinghissweetspot.Iusuallytryanddraghimintothehillsasmuchaspossible,eventhoughhispowertoweightisstillbetter,atleastIcanseehiminthedistanceforlonger!

It'sallaboutraisingyourFTP.AsCoggan/Huntersay,thenumberonepredictortowhowillwin

araceistheirpowertoweightratio.ThusyoucaneitherraiseyourFTPorloseweight.Maybe

both! .

Posted:ThuAug09,201222:21pmbyNatePearsonHere'sagoodpostfromtrainingpeaksaboutTSSscoresintheTourofCaliforniaandTourdeFrance.

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/ ... rance.aspx

HardestStageMeasuredbyTrainingStressScore(TSS)ValueLill361TSS,Stage6:BigBearLakeFuglsang431TSS,Stage6:BigBearLakeSorensen391TSS,Stage7:BarceloneAndorreArcalis

TotalAccumulated(EightDay)TSSPointsLill2254TSStotalFuglsang2192TSSChrisAnkerSorenson2152TSS

Anyonewho'sgotanaccurateFTPandisdoingaround400TSSisridingashardorharderthanthetopguysintheTourofCaliforniaandTourdeFrance.

That'saBIGday.

Posted:FriAug10,201200:35ambydw300

NatePearsonwrote:

dw300wrote:Iknowyou'reallabouttraining,butbeingabletouploadridedataontheflysomehow,andhaveliveraceswhereyouchallenge

yourbuddiescouldturnthisintoaPS3beater!

Workingonit

Sweet..I'llgetstartedorganisingtheBikeRadarTRTour!

Posted:FriAug10,201203:37ambyT.M.H.N.E.T

dw300wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/71958



Wereyouatthemaxyouthoughtyoucouldsustainforthe20mins?Iknowtherearewarmupandrestperiods,soavgHRcouldbelow,butIthoughttheavgwouldbehigherthanthat.Minewas131andmyHRonlygotto165duringthe20mins.

Icouldhavewenthardertbh.Ijustchecked,162max


whojanicanackerovwrote:MY470TSSridewas100milesthattook6hrsintheyorkshirenationalparkwherehillsarehillsandthesheeparenervousHAHA.Lastweekendsclubrunwas85milesTSS367yorkshiredalesagainbutasofterrunwithlessspeedbumpsprettygoodavgspeedthoughlol.

IftheseseemfartohighmaybeIshouldrestandretest?

Posted:FriAug10,201208:00ambydanowatAnFTPof170wseemsabitonthelowsidetome........

Posted:FriAug10,201208:09ambywhojanicanackerovThingshavegotmixedupdanowatlol.ihaveneversaidmyFTPis170.MyFTPismorelike270lolohhowconfusedamInowhehe.

Posted:FriAug10,201208:20ambydanowatYou'veincreasedyourFTPby100w?Impressive

Posted:FriAug10,201209:53ambyT.M.H.N.E.T

Dubcatwrote:Thanksitisthetacxtyreanddefinitelyrollssmooth.NowIneedtodecidewhetherIbuytheGSC10+GarminANT+stickorbuyanedge500bundle.Ialreadyhaveaforerunner210IREALLYwishIhadjustgotthe910XTnow.Ohwell.

WahooFitnessspeed/cad+Suuntomovestickmini.Cheaperthangarminsofferingsunlessyoubundleitallup.


danowatwrote:You'veincreasedyourFTPby100w?Impressive

ThanksandyesIhaveup`dmyFTPbyalmost100WIthasn`tbeenafairytalestoryit`sbeenhardbloomingworkbutIwantit!!!theiraresomeveryfitandveryfastclimbersinourclubandIwanttobeuptheirnextseason!Morehardworkisneeded!!

Posted:FriAug10,201215:06pmbyT.M.H.N.E.TTRdoesn'tseemtoliketheGarminHRMwhenpairedthroughtheMovestick,itbecomesextremelylaggyandrefusestoloadworkouts.

EvercameacrossthisNate?Myphone(SEXperiaNeo)isANTcompatibleoutoftheboxanditpairsfaultlesslyinEndomondoandMapmyride

Posted:FriAug10,201221:07pmbyRichAIama'longtime'TRuser.Loveit.

Beenoffthetrainerforafewweeksduetothelightevenings,better(?)weatherandinmy(postevent)offseason.Butspentalottofthewinter/springonmytrainerandwillbebacksoon...

Setup...TRUser:RichATrainer:TaxcFlowReceiver:GarminStickLaptop:DellInspiron1525Power/Cadence:QuarqHR:Garmin

MyfavouredsetupisthehorizontalbaraccrossthebottomandanepisodeofHomelandorTheWire...


T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:TRdoesn'tseemtoliketheGarminHRMwhenpairedthroughtheMovestick,itbecomesextremelylaggyandrefusestoloadworkouts.


Hey,

NoIhaven'[email protected]?We'llturnonsomeloggingtoseewhat'sgoingon.TheprogramthatreceivesANTdataissuperlightweight,soitshouldn'tbeboggingdownanything.I'msurewecanfigureitoutthough.

Posted:SatAug11,201206:53ambyT.M.H.N.E.T

NatePearsonwrote:



Hey,


Willdo

suggestionWoulditbepossibletoaddanintensityfieldtotheprofilesothatallworkoutsautomaticallydefaultto120%forexample,butkeeptheontheflyadjustmentduring?

Posted:SatAug11,201211:54ambydw300

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:

NatePearsonwrote:



Hey,


Willdo


Sadist.

Posted:SatAug11,201212:31pmbyJGSIYoucandothisalready.ThereisanupanddownarrowontheTRapplettoincreaseorreducebywhatever%,thetargetpower.IusewhenIwanttouseagoodworkoutbuthaveitatrecoverylevelofifyoureferencethisride,http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/70854

Ihadtodropitforthe2ndhalf,andstillIcouldntcopetoowell!

Posted:SatAug11,201214:09pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T

JGSIwrote:Youcandothisalready.ThereisanupanddownarrowontheTRapplettoincreaseorreducebywhatever%,thetargetpower.IusewhenIwanttouseagoodworkoutbuthaveitatrecoverylevelofifyoureferencethisride,

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/70854Ihadtodropitforthe2ndhalf,andstillIcouldntcopetoowell!

Yes,andyouhavetoincrease/decreasethiseachtimeyouloadaworkout.Loadingadefaultset%wouldbehandy

Posted:SatAug11,201215:03pmbyJGSIAreyoufindingtheworkoutstooeasy?MaybeunderestimatingFTP...Ihavecomeoffahardseasonracingbutconsidermineat260,inneedofimprovingsignificantly,butasIonlynowhave2racesleft,Iambidingmytimeandmakingimprovementsoveralongerphasefor2013...butIwanttoseeitnudging300forthestartofnextseason.

So,unlessIspecificallychoosearecoveryride,theneachoftheworkoutshasbeenonthebuttonforintensity...evenHellHathwhichhasadisclaimerforprobablyneedingabuckettogetthruit.


JGSIwrote:Areyoufindingtheworkoutstooeasy?MaybeunderestimatingFTP...Ihavecomeoffahardseasonracingbutconsidermineat260,inneedofimprovingsignificantly,butasIonlynowhave2racesleft,Iambidingmytimeandmakingimprovementsoveralongerphasefor2013...butIwanttoseeitnudging300forthestartofnextseason.

So,unlessIspecificallychoosearecoveryride,theneachoftheworkoutshasbeenonthebuttonforintensity...evenHellHathwhichhasadisclaimerforprobablyneedingabuckettogetthruit.

HonestlyIcan'tsayeitherway,justhappenedtonoticeitresetto100%eachtimeIloadedaworkout.

MaybeI'mjustlazy

Posted:SatAug11,201215:39pmbyJGSINo,it'smethatsbeenlazyandthusthat'swhyTRissuchabonustoactuallytraintherightwayforthefirsttimewithallthebloominguessworkoutoftheequation...


JGSIwrote:No,it'smethatsbeenlazyandthusthat'swhyTRissuchabonustoactuallytraintherightwayforthefirsttimewithallthebloominguessworkoutoftheequation...

You'rehonestaboutitlol!

Thelastintervalwasakiller!!http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/72335

Posted:SatAug11,201222:59pmbydw300WhatdoesTMHNETstandforanyway?

Posted:SunAug12,201207:09ambyT.M.H.N.E.T

dw300wrote:WhatdoesTMHNETstandforanyway?

TooManyHobbiesNotEnoughTime

Idunnowasboredthatday

Posted:SunAug12,201214:33pmbyT.M.H.N.E.TFortheuninitiatedTrainerRoad(whichshallbereferredtoasTRfromnowonwards)isaWindowsandMaccompatiblesoftwaredesignedtomaketurbotrainerworkoutsalittlemorechallenging.ThesoftwareitselfrelieswhollyuponANT+technologytoprovidetherealtimefeedbackduringaworkout.

Thereare3waysinwhichtodoandrecordaworkoutwithTR

ANT+Powermeters:(Quarq,PowerTap,SRM,Power2Max,GarminVector,Zone,etc)oraCompuTrainer.

HeartRate:ANT+HRStrap(Garmin,Cycleops,WahooFitness,etc)

VirtualPower:ANT+SpeedSensorGarminGSC10,WahooFitnessSpeedandCadenceSensor

***AllthreemethodsrequireaUSBANT+receiverstick.GarminmakeoneasdoSuunto(Movestickmini)***

AndacompatibleTurboTrainer:List here

VirtualPower(commonlyusedbyTRusershereonBR)takestheknownpowercurvefromalistedtrainerandthroughyourANT+speedsensorturnsthisintoanapproximatefigureinwatts.Thisfigureisthenusedasyoufollowtheonscreeninstructionsandpromptsduringaworkout.

WithVirtualPower,weareeffectivelymeasuringpoweratthetrainer.Thatmeansthatanyvarianceinthedrivetrainbetweenyourpedalsandthetrainercanhaveaneffect.WhentrainingwithVirtualPower,makesureyourtirepressureandtensionagainstthewheelarethesameeachtimeyouride.Thiswillgiveyouconsistentpowerreadings.

Differenttensionsonthewheeleffectrollingresistanceandcanskewyourreadings.

Theimportantthingistohaveconsistentandrepeatablereadingstotrainwith.That'swhyhavingthesametensiononyourtireandthesametirepressureeachrideisimportant.

Soonceyouhavethehardwareyouchosefittedit'stimetodownloadTRandbegintheveryeasysetupprocess.Thefirsttimeyouloadtheprogramiswilltakeafewsecondstodownloadworkoutfiles.

YoucanthengotothisscreenifyouhaveyourUSBANT+stickpluggedinandinstalled.I'vealreadyusedTRsomysensorshavebeenpairedalreadybuthaven'tbeenwokenup.

Aquickspinofmycranks(bikeisonothersideofroom)wakesuptheWahoospeed/cadencesensorfitted.TheHRMwillpairitselfonceaheartbeatisdetected.

Note:Ihavemytrainerandresistancelevelselectedinthissamewindow.

Withdevicespairedit'salmosttimetodoaworkout(theresplentyofthem!)Butsomeotherminorstufffirst.

Clickonthe"Profile"tab.

FormostpurposesyouwouldwanttobetrainingwithFTP,thisbydefaultissetto200whichcanbelowerorhigherforyou.Asyoucanseemineiscurrently220

LTHR:IsaprettyrandomnumberasIwashavingproblemswithaknownbug.

Powersmoothing:Thisoptionstabilizesthefiguresasanaverageduringaworkout.Youcanhavenone,3secsor5secs.

Thelastimportantoptionis"Don'tusecadencetoplayandpauseworkouts".Thisoptiontickedwillstartaworkoutonceyouhitthestartbutton,ifyouusecadence(above60rpm)startstheworkoutand0rpmpausestheworkout.AhandyfeatureifyoubreakyourbikelikeI

didyesterday (thiswasnotanyfaultofTRorthetrainer )

Workoutscreen:ThegoldstarsareworkoutsthatIhavefavourited,thesewillremainatthetopofthewindow.I'mcurrentlydoingtheintermediatebaseplanandBaxterismynextridesoit'stherewaiting.YoucanopenandviewaworkoutbyclickingthegraphorbyusingtheOpenbuttonwhenyouareviewingthedetailsoftheworkout.

Asensibleplacetostartiswiththe20minutetest.Thisis1hourlongwitha20minutemaxeffortsegment.ThissegmentisusedtocalculateyourFTP(themaximumpoweryoucansustainfor1hr)Afteryouhavedonethis,TRwillgiveyouarecommendationastowhatitthinksyourFTPshouldbesetto.Asyouwillseesoon,thissettingscalesallworkoutsforyou.

Here is the result:Althoughitsuggested201Imadeitalittlehigheranyway.

Downtobusiness:

I'vetakenthelibertyofhighlighting6fieldstoexplainalittlefurthersoontothe3upperleftofthewindow:

Power:Thisisthecurrentpowerthatisbeingcalculated

Boldredline:Whenthisbarisgreenyouareinthesweetspoteithersideofthetarget.

Targetpower:Thisisthetargetforyoutoachieveduringaparticularsegment.Asasegmentiseitherbeginningorending,loudbleepsandonscreeninstructionstellyouwhattodo.Watchforthistargetpowerfigurechangingasyougo

Heartrateandcadenceareagiven.Ifyoudon'thaveanHRMpairedthisfieldwon'tshow.

Acrossthemiddleoftheworkoutisathickwhiteline.ThisismyFTPandtheworkouthasscaledaroundthat.Thehighestpeakyouseecorrespondsto352wattsfor30secondsintoa5minuterecoveryperiodof88watttarget.Thisrampsuptothefirst8minutesegment@253watttarget.

Bottomleft:ThisoptionmakesTRstayontopofanythingelseyouaredoing,handyforwatchingfullscreendvd's,youtube,netflixandsoon.

Theup/downarrows:Thisoptionchangestheintensityofyourworkoutonthefly.100%isyourcurrentFTPsoifaworkoutistooeasy,turnitupandlikewiseturnitdownifit'stoohard.

TheotherawesomenessinTRiscompatibilitywithSufferFest.CurrentlyIonlyhaveHellHathNoFuryandhereitis,fullyintegratedwithTR.

Theworkoutsyoudowillthenbelistedunderthe"Career"tabwithinwhichyoucanshareviaFacebook,downloadandreviewthedata.

Posted:SunAug12,201215:05pmbydw300ToMuchTime,NotEnoughHobbies!

Goodpost!

Posted:SunAug12,201215:45pm

byT.M.H.N.E.T

dw300wrote:ToMuchTime,NotEnoughHobbies!

Goodpost!

TisSunday,it'sarestday

Posted:MonAug13,201211:04ambyJGSIgoonthen,whohasorisgoingtodothe3hourturboride,sothattheneatlittlegraphthingygetsfilleduponthecareerpage?

Posted:MonAug13,201212:03pmbywhojanicanackerov

JGSIwrote:goonthen,whohasorisgoingtodothe3hourturboride,sothattheneatlittlegraphthingygetsfilleduponthecareerpage?

Wellitwontbeme

Posted:MonAug13,201212:58pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T


IftherewasaSFvidofVickyPgoingroundthevelodromefor3hrs,Iwouldcertainlyfollowit.

Posted:MonAug13,201214:29pmbydw300


Thatmakesmybuttocksachejustthinkingaboutit!

Posted:MonAug13,201215:56pmbydw300Ok,gonajumponthebike,butidon'tknowwhatworkouttodo.

Thinkingaboutanhour.Don'twantanybig20minuteintervals,butwanttoexertmyself.I'mthinkingsomethingthat'llhelpmegetbackontheendofagroupofbetterridersifIgetdropped,mightcomeinuseful!

Thinkingmaybe..Fight Club (Remastered)..?

Posted:MonAug13,201216:04pmbyT.M.H.N.E.TStartinglastWOofWK1IntermediateBase.

90minsofbaxter.yay!


dw300wrote:Ok,gonajumponthebike,butidon'tknowwhatworkouttodo.

Thinkingaboutanhour.Don'twantanybig20minuteintervals,butwanttoexertmyself.I'mthinkingsomethingthat'llhelpmegetbackontheendofagroupofbetterridersifIgetdropped,mightcomeinuseful!

Thinkingmaybe..Fight Club (Remastered)..?

WellexecutedthatfightclubrideDW I`mhaving2daysrestasSaturdaysClubrun

wasatoughoneontiredlegs Tomorrowwillbebacktobusinessthough.

Posted:MonAug13,201217:52pmbydw300Ok,wellIsorted2ofmy3nigglingpainsfromthe20mintest,butIstillhavesomepainfrommyleftkneearea.specifically,theboneybittotherightofmyleftkneecap.Ineverfeelthisontheroad,onlyonthetrainer,andonlyinmyleftleg.Anyideas?

Anyway,here'stheworkout..felteasyenoughapartfromthekneepain..http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/72645

Wellspottedwhojan,Ihadn'tevenfinishedthispost!

YoufinishedyetTM?


dw300wrote:Ok,wellIsorted2ofmy3nigglingpainsfromthe20mintest,butIstillhavesomepainfrommyleftkneearea.specifically,theboneybittotherightofmyleftkneecap.Ineverfeelthisontheroad,onlyonthetrainer,andonlyinmyleftleg.Anyideas?



YoufinishedyetTM?

Aye.Hadtocallitquitsat55minsorso,boringthetitsoffme!Feltabit"tourist"opposedtothehardgraftofGayley.

Onwardtoweek2whichisaballslolEricssonMonitorEclipse

Posted:MonAug13,201218:05pmbywhojanicanackerovHaveareadofthisregardingthekneepain.Saddletoloworneedsmovingback?http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... t-2-17445/


T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:

dw300wrote:Ok,wellIsorted2ofmy3nigglingpainsfromthe20mintest,butIstillhavesomepainfrommyleftkneearea.specifically,theboneybittotherightofmyleftkneecap.Ineverfeelthisontheroad,onlyonthetrainer,andonlyinmyleftleg.Anyideas?



YoufinishedyetTM?

Aye.Hadtocallitquitsat55minsorso,boringthetitsoffme!Feltabit"tourist"opposedtothehardgraftofGayley.

Onwardtoweek2whichisaballslolEricssonMonitorEclipse

THMwelldone...IhatenotbeingabletofinishaTRrideorevenjustaturborideforthatmatter.IfailedtheotherweekthroughtirednessandthenagainhavingforgotIhadtotakethekids

thedentist .IthinkwhenIattemptthelongerthananhourridesIwillbewearingtwopairsofbibshortstohelpreliefthears*pain.

Boredomwillnevergetthebetterofmethough,musicwillpullmethrough

Posted:MonAug13,201218:31pmbywhojanicanackerovTHMjustwaituntiltheeclipseride.youwillneedplentyofgritspitandabitmoregrittogetthroughthatone.Willbeworthitthoughinthelongrun!!


whojanicanackerovwrote:THMjustwaituntiltheeclipseride.youwillneedplentyofgritspitandabitmoregrittogetthroughthatone.Willbeworthitthoughinthelongrun!!

Iactuallypreferthelookofthisweeksthreelol.120%ballsout.

Posted:MonAug13,201220:24pmbyJGSIhttp://app.strava.com/clubs/trainerroad

anddontdothisifyoubikesetupissues:

http://blog.trainerroad.com/workout-of- ... -disaster/

youmightneedtorefreshtheTRapplet.

Posted:MonAug13,201221:55pmbyNatePearson

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:

NatePearsonwrote:



Hey,


Willdo


JustchangeyourFTP.

Posted:MonAug13,201221:59pmbyNatePearson

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:FortheuninitiatedTrainerRoad(whichshallbereferredtoasTRfromnowonwards)isaWindowsandMaccompatiblesoftwaredesignedtomaketurbotrainerworkoutsalittlemorechallenging.ThesoftwareitselfrelieswhollyuponANT+technologytoprovidetherealtimefeedbackduringaworkout.

Thereare3waysinwhichtodoandrecordaworkoutwithTR

ANT+Powermeters:(Quarq,PowerTap,SRM,Power2Max,GarminVector,Zone,etc)oraCompuTrainer.

HeartRate:ANT+HRStrap(Garmin,Cycleops,WahooFitness,etc)

VirtualPower:ANT+SpeedSensorGarminGSC10,WahooFitnessSpeedandCadenceSensor

***AllthreemethodsrequireaUSBANT+receiverstick.GarminmakeoneasdoSuunto(Movestickmini)***

AndacompatibleTurboTrainer:List here

VirtualPower(commonlyusedbyTRusershereonBR)takestheknownpowercurvefromalistedtrainerandthroughyourANT+speedsensorturnsthisintoanapproximatefigureinwatts.Thisfigureisthenusedasyoufollowtheonscreeninstructionsandpromptsduringaworkout.


Differenttensionsonthewheeleffectrollingresistanceandcanskewyourreadings.Theimportantthingistohaveconsistentandrepeatablereadingstotrainwith.That'swhyhavingthesametensiononyourtireandthesametirepressureeachrideisimportant.

Soonceyouhavethehardwareyouchosefittedit'stimetodownloadTRandbegintheveryeasysetupprocess.Thefirsttimeyouloadtheprogramiswilltakeafew

secondstodownloadworkoutfiles.

YoucanthengotothisscreenifyouhaveyourUSBANT+stickpluggedinandinstalled.I'vealreadyusedTRsomysensorshavebeenpairedalreadybuthaven'tbeenwokenup.

Aquickspinofmycranks(bikeisonothersideofroom)wakesuptheWahoo

Note:Ihavemytrainerandresistancelevelselectedinthissamewindow.

Withdevicespairedit'salmosttimetodoaworkout(theresplentyofthem!)Butsomeotherminorstufffirst.

FormostpurposesyouwouldwanttobetrainingwithFTP,thisbydefaultissetto200whichcanbelowerorhigherforyou.Asyoucanseemineiscurrently220

LTHR:IsaprettyrandomnumberasIwashavingproblemswithaknownbug.

Powersmoothing:Thisoptionstabilizesthefiguresasanaverageduringaworkout.Youcanhavenone,3secsor5secs.

Thelastimportantoptionis"Don'tusecadencetoplayandpauseworkouts".Thisoptiontickedwillstartaworkoutonceyouhitthestartbutton,ifyouusecadence(above60rpm)startstheworkoutand0rpmpausestheworkout.Ahandy

featureifyoubreakyourbikelikeIdidyesterday (thiswasnotanyfaultof

TRorthetrainer )

Workoutscreen:ThegoldstarsareworkoutsthatIhavefavourited,thesewillremainatthetopofthewindow.I'mcurrentlydoingtheintermediatebaseplanandBaxterismynextridesoit'stherewaiting.YoucanopenandviewaworkoutbyclickingthegraphorbyusingtheOpenbuttonwhenyouareviewingthedetailsoftheworkout.

Asensibleplacetostartiswiththe20minutetest.Thisis1hourlongwitha20minutemaxeffortsegment.ThissegmentisusedtocalculateyourFTP(themaximumpoweryoucansustainfor1hr)Afteryouhavedonethis,TRwillgiveyouarecommendationastowhatitthinksyourFTPshouldbesetto.Asyouwillseesoon,thissettingscalesallworkoutsforyou.

Here is the result:Althoughitsuggested201Imadeitalittlehigheranyway.

Downtobusiness:

I'vetakenthelibertyofhighlighting6fieldstoexplainalittlefurthersoontothe3upperleftofthewindow:

Power:Thisisthecurrentpowerthatisbeingcalculated

Boldredline:Whenthisbarisgreenyouareinthesweetspoteithersideofthetarget.

Targetpower:Thisisthetargetforyoutoachieveduringaparticularsegment.Asasegmentiseitherbeginningorending,loudbleepsandonscreeninstructionstellyouwhattodo.Watchforthistargetpowerfigurechangingasyougo

Heartrateandcadenceareagiven.Ifyoudon'thaveanHRMpairedthisfieldwon'tshow.

Acrossthemiddleoftheworkoutisathickwhiteline.ThisismyFTPandtheworkouthasscaledaroundthat.Thehighestpeakyouseecorrespondsto352wattsfor30secondsintoa5minuterecoveryperiodof88watttarget.Thisrampsuptothefirst8minutesegment@253watttarget.

Bottomleft:ThisoptionmakesTRstayontopofanythingelseyouaredoing,handyforwatchingfullscreendvd's,youtube,netflixandsoon.

Theup/downarrows:Thisoptionchangestheintensityofyourworkoutonthefly.100%isyourcurrentFTPsoifaworkoutistooeasy,turnitupandlikewiseturnitdownifit'stoohard.

TheotherawesomenessinTRiscompatibilitywithSufferFest.CurrentlyIonlyhave

HellHathNoFuryandhereitis,fullyintegratedwithTR.

Theworkoutsyoudowillthenbelistedunderthe"Career"tabwithinwhichyoucanshareviaFacebook,downloadandreviewthedata.

Wow,greatpost!

Posted:MonAug13,201222:41pmbydw300CansomeonetellmeifthereisaguidelinepowertablefordifferenttimeperiodsbasedoffFTP.ImeanFTPisroughly95%of20minutepower,so1hris100%,20minsis105.3%,etcetc.

Iknowfromliftingthatyoucanworkoutfromyourcurrentlifts,whatyour1RepMax,double,triple,orsetof5or8shouldroughlybe.

SoifIknowmyFTP,canyouroughlyworkoutwhatyou'dexpectyourpowerfor2hoursor3hours,ormoreorlesstobe?

Posted:TueAug14,201203:24ambyT.M.H.N.E.T

NatePearsonwrote:

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:

NatePearsonwrote:



Hey,


Willdo


JustchangeyourFTP.

Itdidn'toccurtomethatthemostsimpleofsolutionswasstaringmeintheface

ThanksNate

ps:havebeenwatchingthelastfewoftheoriginalBond's.Licencetokillleftthenontothe

moremodernBrosnanera ItriedtoprovethisbytakingascreenofUrsulaAndressinaseductiveposeinDrNo.AfterthatIhave

LineofsightTheFlyingScotsmanLA7inarowOlympicXCMTBmensandwomensAlotofTDFPendletonCyclingsgoldengirl

WigginsAveryBritishchampion

AndshouldgetOvercomingbackoffmymate.BitofRiisandclassicJensintheCSC

days

Posted:TueAug14,201208:39ambyamaferanga

dw300wrote:CansomeonetellmeifthereisaguidelinepowertablefordifferenttimeperiodsbasedoffFTP.ImeanFTPisroughly95%of20minutepower,so1hris100%,20minsis105.3%,etcetc.

Iknowfromliftingthatyoucanworkoutfromyourcurrentlifts,whatyour1RepMax,double,triple,orsetof5or8shouldroughlybe.

SoifIknowmyFTP,canyouroughlyworkoutwhatyou'dexpectyourpowerfor2hoursor3hours,ormoreorlesstobe?

20minvs.1hourpowerand1hourvs.2or3hourpowerareallverymuchdowntotheindividual.Somefolksmightonlymanage90%oftheir20minutepowerforanhour,whileothersmaymanagecloserto95%orevenmore.Similarlyfor23hourpower.PersonallyIcanholdanormalisedpowerof>95%myofmy1hourpowerina2.5hourrace(butI'venoideaifIcouldmaintainasteadystatepowerashighasthat).Othersmaystruggletohold90%oftheir1hourpowerfordurationsof>2hours.

Soitdepends.

Posted:TueAug14,201208:44ambyamaferanga



SowhyattempttoestimatepowerwithEliteturbotrainerssuchastheSupercronoFluidwhereyouhavenocontroloverclampingtension?Howisitpossibletogetconsistentpowerreadingswhensimplysittinginaslightlydifferentpositiononthebikewillchangetheresistance?AndallthatontopofthefactthattheresistancefromElitefluidtrainersissohugelytemperaturedependent....

Posted:TueAug14,201212:31pmbywhojanicanackerovToday`sridewasacracker!!

AverydarkplacethathurtlikehellWillIbegoingbackthereOhyesIwill http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/72787

Posted:TueAug14,201216:44pmbyNatePearson

amaferangawrote:



SowhyattempttoestimatepowerwithEliteturbotrainerssuchastheSupercronoFluidwhereyouhavenocontroloverclampingtension?Howisitpossibletoget

consistentpowerreadingswhensimplysittinginaslightlydifferentpositiononthebikewillchangetheresistance?AndallthatontopofthefactthattheresistancefromElitefluidtrainersissohugelytemperaturedependent....

Greatquestion.Sometrainersjustwon'tworkwithVirtualPowerbecauseofthereasonsyou'vestated.Idon'thavethedataontheSupercronoFluidinfrontofme.IbelieveElitegaveusthepowercurveforthatone,butI'mnotsure.

Wehavea3HPmotorhookeduptoabikeandarerunningtestsontrainerstovalidatepowercurvesandhopefullybuildinrolldowncalibration.Thatway,ifsometrainer'sresistancecurveschangeastheyheatup,wecanhavesomeonedoarolldowntestbetweenintervalsandautocorrectthecurve.Thisalsohelpsuswithdifferencesinrollingresistanceanddifferencesinmanufacturing(likefluidleversinaresistanceunit).

We'vetestedabunchofAmericantrainers,Cycleops,1upandKurtKineticandthey'vealldonereallywellonthemotor.Onethingtonoteisjustaboutallthetrainerstakearound510minutesforthereartiretoheatupandstabilize.That'sdoneduringariderswarmupperiodwhereadriftofafewwattswon'tmatter.

Intheendthough,wethinkeveryonewouldbenefitfromhavingapowermetersotheycantakethesenumbersandgoindoors/outdoors/racewiththem.Weunderstandthat'sabiginvestmentthough,sointhemeantimeyoucangetVirtualPowerwithoutalargeinvestment.

Posted:TueAug14,201217:15pmbyJGSI

NatePearsonwrote:Intheendthough,wethinkeveryonewouldbenefitfromhavingapowermetersotheycantakethesenumbersandgoindoors/outdoors/racewiththem.Weunderstandthat'sabiginvestmentthough,sointhemeantimeyoucangetVirtualPowerwithoutalargeinvestment.

I'llsayamentothat...withoutTR,IhavetosaythatIwouldnothavelastedthe8minutesatanindicated300wattsonthisworkout:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/72850

Before,evenwithSufferfest,Iwouldsimplyhavegivenup.

Posted:TueAug14,201218:57pmbywhojanicanackerov

JGSIwrote:


I'llsayamentothat...withoutTR,IhavetosaythatIwouldnothavelastedthe8minutesatanindicated300wattsonthisworkout:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/72850Before,evenwithSufferfest,Iwouldsimplyhavegivenup.

Niceridethatwelldone!

Posted:TueAug14,201219:16pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T

JGSIwrote:


I'llsayamentothat...withoutTR,IhavetosaythatIwouldnothavelastedthe8minutesatanindicated300wattsonthisworkout:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/72850Before,evenwithSufferfest,Iwouldsimplyhavegivenup.

Nicelydone!Iplacedmybikeontothethingcalledaroadtoday,itwasglorious!Bitofpainandsweatindoorsmakesadifferenceoutdoors!

Posted:WedAug15,201207:34ambyJGSIah,yestheopenroad..I'llremindmeselfwhatitislikeonSunday..mypenultimateraceofthe

season

QuestionforNate:

Mypowerfiguresfortempo/sweetspotandthresholdseemaboutright,buttheHRnumbersseemabitoff.Forinstance,itisgivingmythresholdat158whereIamsustainingaround170.WillthisselfcorrectwhenInextdoaFTP'test'orcanIcalibrate?TheinitialFTPtestwasdonewithoutaHRstraptoclarify.Idon'treallywanttorepeatanothertestprotocolsosoonifIdon'thaveto.WhenIrace,Idon'thavepower,theonly'number'IhaveonthebikeisHRandifIdo1andgowithabreakordoalongoneonthelastlap(Ihavenosprint),itwouldbeextremelyusefultoridetothecorrectpacewiththeknowledgegainedfromtheTRfigures.

Posted:WedAug15,201207:54ambyGiantMikeWhatimprovementsareyouguysseeingasaresultofusingTR?

Posted:WedAug15,201212:22pmbywhojanicanackerovGiantmikeoneofthemajorfactorsformewithTRisthatitgeneratesgreaterfocus.


GiantMikewrote:WhatimprovementsareyouguysseeingasaresultofusingTR?

Ihaven'tbeenusingitlongenoughtoillustrateatrend.Givemeacoupleofmonths.

Posted:WedAug15,201216:49pmbydw300Right..theweatheroutsideisterrible,anothertypicalBritishsummer'sday..soIdecidedIwantedtodoatoughTRworkout,havinghadadayoffthebikeyesterday.

Idecidedtodothe20minutetestagain,mainlybecauseIjustwantedtoseeifIcouldbeatmylastattempt.Ialsowantedtotestoutanewsaddleangleandposition,andleftcleatposition.

Thepositionchangesseemtohaveworked.Ireadthearticlewhojanlinkedto,andIhadafeelingthatIwashavingaproblemwithmyleftpatellanotslidinginitgrooveproperly.Justgoingbyfeel,Ifiguredthatpointingmyleftoutoutwardsabitmightstopmykneekickinginwardsduringthepushingphaseofthestroke,anditseemstohavedonethetrick.

SoIjumpedonthebikeanddidn'thaveanypain.Ihavetiltedmyseatdownwardsabit,soIcanrotatemypelvisforwardwithoutsquashingmybits,whichIthinkgetsmeinamorepowerfulposition.IwasalsoabletogiveallIcouldthistime,comparedtolasttimewhenIhitamaxHRof165,butcouldn'tputdownmorepower.

Here'stheworkout..http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/73109

I'vegonefromanFTPof172,upto212,whichgetsmetoapowertoweightratioof3W/kg..icanfinallysayI'mapropercyclistnow.Could'vedonewithafan!

Posted:WedAug15,201217:36pmbyJGSIYoudefinitelyhadasmootherrideonthattest.betterthanmine.welldone..hasthesoftwareadjustedyourftpandHR?


JGSIwrote:Youdefinitelyhadasmootherrideonthattest.betterthanmine.welldone..hasthesoftwareadjustedyourftpandHR?

Ijustfoundanicegearforthe20minutetestbasedonthe5minuteintervalbeforehand,andwhenthe20minutestartedIdidn'tevenlookatthenumbers,itwasn'ttill5minsinwhenitbeepedthatIlookeddownandhadbeendoing220230forthefirst5mins.Imadeacoupleofcadencedropsfrom110to100foralittlerest,andacoupleofhighpoweredeffortstowardstheendtoseeifIcouldholdthemtoraisetheaverageabit.

AttheendthesoftwaresuggestsyournewFTPandLTHR,youcanclicktosettothose,ordismissandchangemanuallyinyourowntime.Ijustchangedminethereandthen.

It'sweird,eventhoughit'sthesamebikeandi'veriddenthetrainerplenty,IfeellikeI'mstillgettingusedtodoingbiggereffortsindoorsusingTR.Ialwaysuseditforeasierstuff,anddidhardworkontheroad.IwasuncomfortablewiththeintenseheatandsweatingthatIdon'tgetoutdoors.

Theextra40Wshouldmakeadifferencetotherestofthetraininganyway..gladIexperimentedabit,andI'drecommendrunningthetests23timesinthefirst1012ridesasyouadjusttomakesureyourworkingoffofthebesteffortyoucangiveduringthetest.IknowI'dbeenholdingbadabitsoIdidn'thurtmyself.


dw300wrote:


Ijustfoundanicegearforthe20minutetestbasedonthe5minuteintervalbeforehand,andwhenthe20minutestartedIdidn'tevenlookatthenumbers,itwasn'ttill5minsinwhenitbeepedthatIlookeddownandhadbeendoing220230forthefirst5mins.Imadeacoupleofcadencedropsfrom110to100foralittlerest,andacoupleofhighpoweredeffortstowardstheendtoseeifIcouldholdthemtoraisetheaverageabit.




It'spossibleyourpositionwasholdingyoubackabit,minecertainlywasontheroadatleast.I'mhopingitshowsonTRtoo.


T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:

dw300wrote:


Ijustfoundanicegearforthe20minutetestbasedonthe5minute

intervalbeforehand,andwhenthe20minutestartedIdidn'tevenlookatthenumbers,itwasn'ttill5minsinwhenitbeepedthatIlookeddownandhadbeendoing220230forthefirst5mins.Imadeacoupleofcadencedropsfrom110to100foralittlerest,andacoupleofhighpoweredeffortstowardstheendtoseeifIcouldholdthemtoraisetheaverageabit.




It'spossibleyourpositionwasholdingyoubackabit,minecertainlywasontheroadatleast.I'mhopingitshowsonTRtoo.

You'reprobablyright.Iwasneverfullyrelaxedandabletofocusonpowerbefore.

ThelasttestIdidstartedatmidnight,andI'dbeenoutforanhourearlierthatevening.Soalotofdifferentfactors.ButuntiltodayIdidn'treallyappreciatehowimportanthavingyourbikepositionrightis.Badpositionseemstobeonethingridingonatrainerseemstohighlight,thatridingontheroaddoesn'tsomuch,whenyoucanholdbackormovetocounteractit.

Posted:WedAug15,201219:49pmbyJGSIJustfinishedthe'Paincave'.It'saSpinnervalvideoone,butIjustdroppedEurosport2011LBLmp4intothewindowandgotonwithit.Iblewcompletelyononeofthebricks,butthatasaresultofyesterdayseffortsmorethan

likely.

Iwasgoingtosuggestfurtherifyouchangebikesetup,makesureitdontcompromiseyouractualroadriding.

Posted:WedAug15,201220:50pmbyGiantMike[quote="dw300"]Here'stheworkout..http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/73109

I'vegonefromanFTPof172,upto212,whichgetsmetoapowertoweightratioof3W/kg..icanfinallysayI'mapropercyclistnow.Could'vedonewithafan![/quote]

I'dtakethosefigureswithapinchofsalt.

172Wto212WisanFTPimprovementof23%whichsoundshigh.

AndanabsoluteFTPof212Wsoundslow.Mywife,whoridesaboutonceaweekhasanFTPof210W.QuiteafewoftheTRworkoutsseemtohaveverylowFTPs.


GiantMikewrote:I'dtakethosefigureswithapinchofsalt.

172Wto212WisanFTPimprovementof23%whichsoundshigh.

AndanabsoluteFTPof212Wsoundslow.Mywife,whoridesaboutonceaweekhasanFTPof210W.QuiteafewoftheTRworkoutsseemtohaveverylowFTPs.

Didyoureadmypost,andtherestofthethread?Isaiddidn'tgiveallIcouldthefirsttimearound,andthattherewerelotsofotherfactorscontributing.

212Wislow.ButI'manovicecyclistofaboutayearwithnotrainingoverthewinter.I'm150lbs,maybeyourwifeisbiggerandmorepowerfulthanme,orhasyearsofcyclingunderherbelt.

Youweren'tsittingwatchingbothmyefforts,soI'lltakeyouradvicewithapinchofsalt,sinceIknowyoudon'tknowallthedetails.Icantellyou'resimplycynicalbecauseasmanypeopleseemtobewhenquotingvirtualpowerinsteadofactualpower..butwe'veallacknowledgedthatthefigureswon'tbepinpointaccurate,wearesimplyusingittocheckforimprovement.

Posted:WedAug15,201221:47pmbyGiantMikeWhoops,didn'tmeantoupsetyou.


GiantMikewrote:Whoops,didn'tmeantoupsetyou.

Lol..don'tworry,Ididn'tcry.MaybeIwasabitpreciousovermyhardwork..itwasthelactatetalking!

Posted:WedAug15,201223:34pmbyNatePearson

JGSIwrote:ah,yestheopenroad..I'llremindmeselfwhatitislikeonSunday..my

penultimateraceoftheseason

QuestionforNate:

Mypowerfiguresfortempo/sweetspotandthresholdseemaboutright,buttheHRnumbersseemabitoff.Forinstance,itisgivingmythresholdat158whereIamsustainingaround170.WillthisselfcorrectwhenInextdoaFTP'test'orcanIcalibrate?TheinitialFTPtestwasdonewithoutaHRstraptoclarify.Idon'treallywanttorepeatanothertestprotocolsosoonifIdon'thaveto.WhenIrace,Idon'thavepower,theonly'number'IhaveonthebikeisHRandifIdo1andgowithabreakordoalongoneonthelastlap(Ihavenosprint),itwould

beextremelyusefultoridetothecorrectpacewiththeknowledgegainedfromtheTRfigures.

Yesyoucan.IwouldtaketheHRdatathatyougainindoorsatacertainpoweroutputthenverifyitoutdoorsandmakesureit"feelsright".Sometimesindoor/outdoorheartratedatacanvary.

Posted:ThuAug16,201209:55ambywhojanicanackerovDWnicerideandlotbetterresult!!!.I`mgladthebikesetupissuesaresortedish?Ithinkyouneedabigfanforsure.Usingafanwillkeepyoucoolerhelpingyouproducethegoods!!

Posted:ThuAug16,201214:17pmbyGiantMike

JGSIwrote:WhenIrace,Idon'thavepower,theonly'number'IhaveonthebikeisHRandifIdo1andgowithabreakordoalongoneonthelastlap(Ihavenosprint),itwouldbeextremelyusefultoridetothecorrectpacewiththeknowledgegainedfromtheTRfigures.

Withoutwantingtotreadonanybody'stoes,thecorrectpacetoridewithabreakis'ashardasyouhavetotomakeitstickoruntilyoufallofftheback'.Thecorrectpacetoridealongoneis'ashardasyoucanforthedistancelefttorun'.I'dsuggestbotharebestdoneonfeelratherthanHR.

The3045secdelayinHRcomparedtoeffortmeansthatjudgingeffortbyHRinahighpowerscenarioisimpossible.OnaTTit'spossible,buteventhenthefirstmileorsoisdoneonfeelratherthanHRwhilethebodycatchesupwiththeeffort.

WhenIraceIhavepowerandHRdataavailable.IdoitallonfeelandusethedatatoworkoutwhathappenedaftertheraceandwhereIneedtotrain.

FeelfreetoignoreanythingI'vewritten.

Posted:ThuAug16,201214:23pmbyamaferanga

GiantMikewrote:WhenIraceIhavepowerandHRdataavailable.IdoitallonfeelandusethedatatoworkoutwhathappenedaftertheraceandwhereIneedtotrain.

This.

IdohaveaveragepowerandNPdisplayedinracesthoughandIcheckoccasionallyusuallyjusttoconfirmthatmyeffortmatchesthenumber.Italwaysdoes.I'venevertriedtousepowertopacemyselfinarace.UsingHRwouldbenearnonsensical.

Posted:ThuAug16,201222:06pmbyNatePearson

amaferangawrote:


This.


Yah,power(andevenmoresoheartrate)duringaroadraceorcritisprettyuseless.Powerisvaryhelpfulforpostraceanalysis.

PowerduringracesisonlyreallywellsuitedforTTs,andevenmoresoduringtriathlonssinceyouhavetorideabitunderyourmaxinordertorunwell.

It'sgreatfortrainingthough!

Posted:FriAug17,201201:43ambydw300I'mthinkingofdoingthistoday(Fri)..Clouds Rest

Haveanyofyouguystriedit?Howdiditgo?

I'mlookingtodevelopabitmorepowerinmyVO2zoneforbetterStravaSniping!

Posted:FriAug17,201205:34ambyJGSI

NatePearsonwrote:

amaferangawrote:


This.


Yah,power(andevenmoresoheartrate)duringaroadraceorcritisprettyuseless.Powerisvaryhelpfulforpostraceanalysis.

PowerduringracesisonlyreallywellsuitedforTTs,andevenmoresoduring

triathlonssinceyouhavetorideabitunderyourmaxinordertorunwell.

It'sgreatfortrainingthough!

Welllads,youmayjusthaveto'indulge'methistime.idohaveagameplanonSunday.Ihaveracedonfeelthelast20racesthisseasongotnowhere.Idon'texpectanyhelpwhatsoeverwhenItrytomakeabreak.iexpecttobepulledbackbydumbassesbringingthebunchbackandnotbridging.ofcourse,ifagoodbreakgoesandIhavetobridgemyself,Iaintgoingtopayanyattentiontoanynumbersandjustwork.ofcourse,Imayjustsitinfor55miles...

thataboutcoversallthebases,Ithink


dw300wrote:I'mthinkingofdoingthistoday(Fri)..Clouds Rest



I'vedonethatone.Itwasgoodforme,Ididn'thavetolowertheintensityatall.I'mbetteratshortintervalsthanlongerintervalsthough.

Checkouttheaccompanyingvideothattellsyouwhattolookforandhowtodothisworkout:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqjMZo3_2dU

Posted:FriAug17,201217:08pmbyJGSI

The2hourbarriersmashed...http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/73535


NatePearsonwrote:

dw300wrote:I'mthinkingofdoingthistoday(Fri)..Clouds Rest



I'vedonethatone.Itwasgoodforme,Ididn'thavetolowertheintensityatall.I'mbetteratshortintervalsthanlongerintervalsthough.

Checkouttheaccompanyingvideothattellsyouwhattolookforandhowtodothisworkout:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqjMZo3_2dU

Justfinishedit.Ihadwatchedthevideolastnight,soIknewtheprincipleofleastworktogetyoubreathingyourhardest.Ididn'tadjusttheintensitythough,itfeltaboutright,I'mnotsureIcouldhavedonemuchmore,butlessmightnothavehadmeworkingashard.TheBillatsweretooshorttoreallyknowwheremyHRwouldhavelevelledoutat,atthatlevel,theypeakedatabout170175attheBillatsattheendofeachset.

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/73531

Butfeltgood(tough),andsetsomepowerrecords,andlegswerestartingtogetprettyfatiguedattheendofthelastset.

Posted:FriAug17,201217:23pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T

Dentisttripsandworkhaveheldmebackabitthisweek YettostartInterBase

wk2


JGSIwrote:The2hourbarriersmashed...http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/73535

Goodjobman.Howwastheexperience?


T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:Dentisttripsandworkhaveheldmebackabitthis

week YettostartInterBasewk2

Ifyou'venottrainedatallandhadafewextrarecoverydaysyoucouldtrythisweeksworkoutsat105%,youshouldbegoodforitintermsorrestandmotivation.

Posted:FriAug17,201217:53pmbyT.M.H.N.E.T

dw300wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.Twrote:Dentisttripsandworkhaveheldmebackabitthis

week YettostartInterBasewk2

Ifyou'venottrainedatallandhadafewextrarecoverydaysyoucouldtrythisweeksworkoutsat105%,youshouldbegoodforitintermsorrestandmotivation.

Irodeontuesdaybutthedentistbatteredmeyesterdayandeatingisastruggle,pureedFTL.I

wentfrom201250FTPtooso105%maybedifficult


dw300wrote:



Imentionedbefore,bikesetuphastobespotonandstillitwillpinchabit.Anyworkoutmorethan1hour,2towels,changeofteeshirt,andformeIneedtohavesomecyclingontheTV...Ididthistoa2hourdownloadoffYToftheTourofFlanders2012.Evenwithafaneverythinggetssodden,butthistimethatincludedevenmysocksandshoes.Doitwithnooneinearshotas2hoursofaturbodronewillprobablysendanyoneelseinsane.Perkins,Ididontheinnerringasitisbesttohaveadecentcadencegoingandkeepinginthatendurance'rideallday'zone..exceptontheturbo,youcan'trideallday!TheHRtracewentskewyinthemiddle,itgotbetterwhenIdidaquickchangeoftee.

Posted:FriAug17,201219:33pmbywhojanicanackerov

JGSIwrote:

dw300wrote:



Imentionedbefore,bikesetuphastobespotonandstillitwillpinchabit.Anyworkoutmorethan1hour,2towels,changeofteeshirt,andformeIneedtohavesomecyclingontheTV...Ididthistoa2hourdownloadoffYToftheTourofFlanders2012.Evenwithafaneverythinggetssodden,butthistimethatincludedevenmysocksandshoes.Doitwithnooneinearshotas2hoursofaturbodronewillprobablysendanyoneelseinsane.Perkins,Ididontheinnerringasitisbesttohaveadecentcadencegoingandkeepinginthatendurance'rideallday'zone..exceptontheturbo,youcan'trideallday!TheHRtracewentskewyinthemiddle,itgotbetterwhenIdidaquickchangeoftee.

YeahwasarealeffortthatLikeIsaiditdeservesacake!!


itwere#cheesecake#andscoffed1/2ofit!Weatherturninggoodtomorrwlateronforadecentride.....outside!

Posted:FriAug17,201219:55pmbywhojanicanackerovWellI`mdoingtheRidewithbradonSunday160kmhttp://www.bradleywigginsfoundation.org ... ?Itemid=28

SoI`mnotoutridingtomorrowandIthinkTRmaybegivenamissalso.Maybeit`sbesttoresttheleg`sforthosebighillsonsunday

Posted:FriAug17,201220:03pmbyJGSIWell,IamracingonSunday.imoifyouarefeelingwell,thentogetoutandspinthelegsroundforanhourorsowontdamage.Iemphasise'spin'.pickaneasyrouteandridewith

easyeffortaswell..toomuchismadeof'resting'legs..itsstillsummer!

Posted:FriAug17,201220:08pmbywhojanicanackerovMaybeyourrightbutIwonthavethetimetohittheroadasIhavesomeworktogetthrough!!IcouldjustdoaneasytempoorsweetspotthingonTRthough?SorryaboutallthequestionsbutI`mjusttryingtogagehowwellI`mdoingformyageandtimecycletraining.Sohowoldareyouhowlonghaveyoubeenracingandwhatcatareyou?

Thanks....OhandgoodluckinyourraceIhopeyoudishoutsomepain!!


whojanicanackerovwrote:MaybeyourrightbutIwonthavethetimetohittheroadasIhavesomeworktogetthrough!!IcouldjustdoaneasytempoorsweetspotthingonTRthough?SorryaboutallthequestionsbutI`mjusttryingtogagehowwellI`mdoingformyageandtimecycletraining.Sohowoldareyouhowlonghaveyoubeenracingandwhatcatareyou?

Thanks....OhandgoodluckinyourraceIhopeyoudishoutsomepain!!

TrySteamboat..effortlevelshouldbejustrighttogetthelegsturning..itsstatedgoalistoperfectpedallingtechnique.andme?justold,acoupleofyearsawayfrom60..soraceLVRCandTLIIspenttoomanyyearsawayfromthesportandit'sbeenalonghaulgettingthecyclingfitnessbackoverthepast5years.Racingisaprettygoodtestofyour'levels'butitisnotthebeallandendall...ifonSundayyoucankeepupagoodpaceonaLancastrian100milersportive..wellyou'llknowontheday!

IhopeBradrideswithyou!

Posted:SatAug18,201210:33ambywhojanicanackerovHeyJGSIyourdoingprettywellthenasIthoughtyouwereayoungwhippersnapper!!

Iendedupridingthe2/3oftheCloudsresthttp://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/73620Tryingtosavesomejuiceinthelegsforthebigonetomorrow.ItwillbemyfirsteverSportiveandwithnearly2000rider`stakingpartit`sgoingtobequiteanexperience.IbetIcan`tsleeptonightfromalltheexcitement;)BythewayforthosewhoarethinkingoftryingTRit`sagreatbitofkit!!

Posted:SatAug18,201212:50pmbydw300

whojanicanackerovwrote:HeyJGSIyourdoingprettywellthenasIthoughtyouwereayoungwhippersnapper!!


Lol..Islept1hrbeforemy1stsportive.Idon'tthinkit'llreallyaffectyouthatmuch,butyou'llknowallaboutitwithinanhourofgettingoffthebike..allyou'llwanttodoissleep!

Enjoythesportive.Talktoasmanypeopleasyoucan.Startnearthefront!

Posted:SatAug18,201219:22pmbywhojanicanackerovCheersDWallmykitisreadyforthemorningI`vegotmynumberandI`mreadytoroll.

Posted:SatAug18,201222:39pmbydw300Itriedmynewpositionontheroadtoday,it'sdefinitelyabetterposition,buttheproblemontheroadcomparedtothetraineristhatthebumpsandvibrationmeanIendupperchedonthepointyendofthesaddle.Doesanyonehaveanycreativeideastohelpmeslidearoundonmyshinysaddleabitless?

It'sanOEMsaddle,soI'mthinkingabouttakingsomesandpapertoittoseeifIcangiveitalittletexture.

Posted:SunAug19,201202:38ambybigdaveskinnytyreIthoughtIwouldgiveTRagoasTacxtrainersoftwarecanbeabittemperamental.

Setupwasextremelyeasy,IsetupasaTacxBushidoat1%slopethenadjustedtheslopeonthetrainersothattheBushido'spoweroutputandtheTRvirtualpowerweresimilar(0.6%slopeworkedforme).Ithendidthe2x8minutetest.ThevirtualpowerandtheBushidoreadingswerewithin5wattsthroughoutmostoftheworkout,athigherpoweroutputs(around400W)thegapwidenedslightly810WwiththeBushidobeingthelowernumber.

I'mwellawarethatTacxpoweroutputsarenotthemostaccurate(withinabout5%ofaPowertaporSRM)butIdofindthattheyareprettyconsistentsoI'mhappytotrainwiththem.

I'mpod1976onTrainerRoadandquitehappywithanestimatedFTPofaround335Wwhichisabout15WlowerthanmymeasuredFTPfromwhenIracedregularlyandhadacoach3or4yearsago(andIwas1214Kgheavierthen).


dw300wrote:

whojanicanackerovwrote:HeyJGSIyourdoingprettywellthenasIthoughtyouwereayoungwhippersnapper!!


Lol..Islept1hrbeforemy1stsportive.Idon'tthinkit'llreallyaffectyouthatmuch,butyou'llknowallaboutitwithinanhourofgettingoffthebike..allyou'llwanttodoissleep!

Enjoythesportive.Talktoasmanypeopleasyoucan.Startnearthefront!

posted: tue jul 31, 2012 21:37 pm - bristol bike...

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