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InConversationwithDavidIckeSedona,Arizona,February2009

StartofinterviewKerryCassidy(KC):I'mKerryCassidy,andwereherewithDavidIckeandBillRyan.Andwe'regoingtobedoingwhatwecallaFuturetalk.

Itsbasicallysortofaroundtablediscussioninwhichwekindofbataroundideas.Certainlyyouregoingtobethefocalpoint,andwewanttoreallyhearfromyouonwhateversubjectsyougetsparkedbyinthecourseofconversation.DavidIcke(DI):OK.Noproblem.KC:Andthenwelljustkindofrunwithitandseehowitgoes.BillRyan(BR):SomethingthatIwouldliketosayisthatIthinkwegetmoreemails,andhavedoneoverthethreeyearsthatwevebeengoing,askingustointerviewyou,andwonderingiftheressomeweird


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reasonwhywehavent.DI:Andnowwerebothtogether.Hereweare.Itsallsynchronisticintheend.BR:Intheend.KC:Absolutely.SowerehereinSedona,andyourehere,anditwasgreatthatwewereabletoconnectwithyou.DI:Great.KC:So,wherewewanttogowiththisis,wehavewhistleblowers,andImcurious.Haveyougotyourownsortofsecretsourcesthathavebeengivingyouinformationthroughtheyears?DI:No.WhathappenedtomeisIhadanextraordinaryexperience,orseriesofexperiences,intheearly1990s.IwasatelevisionpresenterandanationalspokesmanfortheBritishGreenParty.SuddenlyIfelt,over1989,thattherewasapresenceintheroomwheneverIwasalone,anditbecamemoreandmoretangibleas1989unfolded.Itwasbizarre,really,causetheGreenPartyinBritainhadtheirbiggestelectoralyearin1989outofEuropeanelections.AndIwasgoingthroughallthiswheneverIwasinaroomalone,likeahotelroomorsomething.Therewasthispresence,youknow.Eventuallyitgotsopowerfultowardstheendof89thatIwassittingonthesideofabedinahotelcalledtheKensingtonHiltoninLondon,justdownfromtheBBCheadquarters...BR:Iknowit.DI:...andIsaidtothisapparentlyemptyroom:Look,iftheres

somethingthere,wouldyoupleasecontactme,becauseyouredrivingmeupthewall.Abouttwoweekslater,itmusthavebeen,Imwithmyson.Hewasalittleboythen.Hesasinger-songwriternow,inhismid-20s.BR:Hessixfootfour.DI:Yes.ThisisGaz...Gareth.Wewereplayingfootball,andweweregoingtogodownintothetownandgetsomelunch.IlivedinaseasideresortinaplacecalledtheIsleofWightinEngland.AndaswegotdowntowardthisGreasyJoeCafe,somebody,somerailwayworker,stoppedmeandstartedtalkingaboutfootballbecauseIwasonthetelevisiontalkingaboutsportandstuff.

Thenafterthisconversationwasfinished,IsawthatGarethwasntthere.Iknewwherehewouldbe.Hewouldbeinthenewsshopjustdown,nexttous.SoIwalkedinandhewasreadingsteamtrainbooks,becausehelikedsteamtrains,likeme.AndIsaidtohim:Comeon,Gareth.Wellgoandgetsomelunch.AndasIturned,myfeetwouldntmove.Now,thisisaguywhosnotbeenintoanyofthisstuff.Hesatelevisionpresenter,nationalspokesmanfortheGreenParty,ajournalistbasically,andmyfeetwouldntmove.AndIhearditwasntreallyavoice,butaverystrongthought-formpassedthroughmymind,whichdidntseemattachedtome.WhywouldIthinkit?Anditsaid:Goandlookatthebooksonthefarside.

SoIwentover,andinamongtheromanticnovelswasthisbookwithawomansfaceonthefront.Ipickeditupcauseitwassodifferenttotherest,turneditover,sawthewordpsychic.SoIreadthisbookin24hoursandIwrotetoherandwenttoseeher.AndwhatItoldherwasIhadarthritis-whichIhave-andmaybeahands-onhealingwouldhelp.ItoldhernottherealreasonIwent,whichwas:WouldshepickupwhattheheckthispresenceisIdbeenfeelingfornearlyayear?Well,actually,afullyearbythen.IwentthefirstcoupleoftimesandIsawherfourtimes--andshedidthehands-onhealingandwehadachataboutotherdimensionsand


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stuff.Itallmadesensetome,becauseIdalwaysrejectedreligionandIdalwaysrejectedthescientificviewofreality.Ijusthadntfocusedon:OK.Whatsthealternative?AndthenthethirdtimeIwent,Imlyingthereonthismedical-typebenchthing,andIfeltlikeaspiderswebonmyface,whichreallytookmeabackbecauseIhadreadinherbookthatwhenotherdimensions,orwhatever,spiritsorwhateveryouwanttouse,aretryingtolockintoyou,yousometimesfeellikeaspiderswebonyourface.Well,funnyenough,IneverhadbeforeandIneverhavesince,butatthatmomentitwasseriouslypowerful,realtangible.SoImgoing:Ohmygoodness!Whatsgoingon?Andsheiskindofdoingthisbymyleftknee.AndIneversaidawordtoher.Andthensuddenlyshelaunchesherheadbackandgoes:MyGod!Ivegottoclosemyeyesforthisone.Thisispowerful.Andsheseesthisfigureinhermind.Shesays:Thisfigure--orwhatevershecalledit--isaskingmetopassinformationtoyou.Takeintoaccount,youknow,Imatelevisionpresenter,presentingthesportandthenewsatthetime.Andsuddenlyshestartssayingthatthisentity,orthisprojectionofConsciousness,wassayingthatIwasgoingtogooutonaworldstage

eventuallyandrevealgreatsecrets.Thattherewasashadowacrosstheworldthathadtobelifted.Thattherewasgoingtobeaspiritualrevolutioninmylifetimebecauseofavibrationalchange.ThatswhythefirstbookIwrotewascalledTruthVibrations,afterthatvibrationalchange.Andonelinewas:Onemancannotchangetheworld,butonemancancommunicatethemessagethatwillchangetheworld.Iwouldwritefivebooksinthreeyears.Imsittingtherethinking:Iknownothingaboutthisstuff.[laughs]Fivebooksinthreeyears!Youmustbehavingalaugh!Youknow.Thiswasallnewtome.Iwrotefivebooksinthreeyears,tothemonth,andIdidntrealizeIddoneituntilIrealizeditwasfiveandthenwentback.Itwasfivebooks,tothemonth,inthreeyearsfromthattime.

Iwentbackanothertime,andthenexttimetherewassomemore.SoIleftandwaited.Somethingfeltrightaboutit,eventhoughmymindsgoing:What?What?WithinweekstheBBChaddecidedtheywerentgoingtorenewmycontact,eventhoughIwastheyoungestoneintheirdepartment.Iwasanin-by-a-milepresenter,anditwouldseemthatIwouldhavehadalifetime,aworking-lifetimefuturethere.WhenIlookbackatthatthought,myemotionalchakra,youknow,startsvibratingwildly.Thethoughtofbeinginthemediaallmylife!Oh,myGod!WhenIlookback...nightmare.Anyway,sonowImoutofwork,butIfeelIhavetogowiththis.And

fortunatelyIvealwayslivedbelowmyincomebecauseIhaveavery...Youknow,Imminimalistme.IdratherhavethemoneytogotoIndiathanabighousewithamortgageonit.Anyway.SoIhadenoughmoneytokeepmegoingforayear.Andthenitallstarted,thissynchronistic,almost-daily...ah...thisdailyjourneythroughamaze.AndwhenIstartedout,itwasathickmaze.Ihadnoideawhatthiswasallabout.IjustfeltIhadtogowithit.IdidntevenknowwhyIhadtogowithit.Ijusthadthis...Gotta


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gowiththis.Andwhatshappenedis,itslikesomeforcehasbeenopeningandclosingdoors,soIgodownthisroadinamazeandnotthisone.Andso,comingaroundtoansweringyourquestiondirectly,Ijustfollow,andhavefollowednowfornearly20years,thispulsing,thisurging,thisknowingthatpassesthroughme.SoIeditmylifeonthebasisofthat:Willyougohere?Dontfeelto.Willyougohere?Yeah.Illbethere.AndwhathashappenedastheresultofjustdoingthatisIvewalkedintopeople,experiences,information,books,documents,whichhastakenme,whenIlookback,onaveryspecificjourney.Ivedescribeditbefore.Itslikeyoutrytoputajigsawpuzzletogether,andsomeforceishandingyouthepieces...KC:Wefeeltheexactsameway.BR:Wevehadthesameexperience.DI:...almostintherightorderthatyoucanencompasstheminthepicturemosteasily.KC:Mmhm.DI:Andso,firstofall,intheearlyyearsofthe90sandthroughtoabout1996,allthesynchronicitywasaboutthefive-senselevelofthisconspiracy--bankingscams,familiesconnecting,thesamepeoplebehindthis,andbehindthat,andbehindthat;whosbehindthedrug

networks,andallthatstuff.Bankingfamiliesandengineeredwars.WhatwasreallybehindtheSecondWorldWar,theFirstWorldWar?Andwhatsthisnetworkthatistheguidingforceofthisconspiracy?Allthatstuff.Andthenfromabout96,whenIcametoAmericatotalkaboutthisforthefirsttime...Andlotsofpeopleturnedup.ItalkedtoeightpeopleinChicago,Irememberthat.Thatwaswhatyoumightcallanexpeditionarythreemonths,becauseIwastalkingtomyselfmostofthetime.ButIwaspickingupinformationasIpassedaround.Whatstartedthen,from1996onwards,wasthenextstageofthis,whichisthesefamilies,whichIdlearnedsomuchaboutintheyearsbefore,wereactuallyconnectedtosomenon-humanrace,orentities,forwhichtheywerebasicallyfronting-upanagendawithinthis

five-sensereality.ThatswhenIwentintothewholereptilianstuff.

Ofcourse,thesynchronicityofmylife,andmypersonaljourney,andmycommunicationofinformationarefundamentallyconnected,becauseamassivepartofmylifeis,asIvebeenlearningmoreandmore,youknow,mypersonaljourneyhasbeenclearingoutmyownbodycomputerprogrammingsothatIcanaccesshigherandhigherlevelsofConsciousness.Ofcourseeveryonesgottheopportunitytodothatandmanypeoplearedoingitnow.SoIvehadgreatchallengesinmylifeatthesametimeasdoingtheinformationtobreakthisupbreaktheseprogramsup.Oneofthebiggestoneshappenedin1991whenIstartedtalkingaboutwhatwas

happeningtome.Ofcourse,Iwasawell-knowntelevisionpresenterinBritain,sotherewasmonumentalridicule,ofakindthatfewpeoplecanactuallyexperience.Imean,Iwouldwalkdownthestreetandbelaughedatbymostofthepeopleinthestreetforliketwo,threeyears.Acomedianonlyhadtosaymyname,nojokenecessary,andgetalaugh.KC:[laughs]Butcanwegobacktothat?BecauseIwouldlovetosortofdrilldownandfindoutwhat...Howdidyouactuallygetintothe


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reptiliansituation?DI:Well,yeah,whatIwasjustgoingtosay...ThereasonIbringthisupaboutthesynchronicityofmylifeisbecausefrom1996,whenIstartedgoingthroughthereptilianstuff,becauseIdbeenthroughthatmassiveridiculeintheearly1990s,ithadclearedmeoutofthekeythingthatmostpeoplelivein-theprisonthatmostpeoplelivein-whichisthefearofwhatotherpeoplethink.Therefore,tome,comingoutfromthelate90saboutthereptilianstuffwasnotaproblembecausethelevelofridiculecouldnotbegreaterthanwhatisbefore.KC:Butwhydidyouhaveridiculebefore?BecausetheonlyridiculeIknewwasaboutthereptilians.DI:Oh,no!Iwilltellyouanotherstorythatleadsintothat.Towardstheendof1990,whenIhadfinishedthebook,TruthVibrations,anditwentofftothepublishertobepublishedinthespringof1991,Ihadthisoverwhelmingfeeling-again,theurge,theimpulse-togotoPeru.AndIhadnoideawhy.IjusthadtogotoPeru.SoIgetonaplanetoPeru,notknowingwhyImgoingthere,andIlandinLimaairport.FromthemomentIlandedamazingsynchronisticthingshappened.ButeventuallyIhadthisPeruvianguidechapwhowas

takingmearound.Funnilyenough,thefirsttimeImetthatguywasinCuzco,intheoldIncaregion.AndIwentroundtohishouse,becauseweweregoingofftravelingaroundPerufromthatday,andheslyingonhisbackasleep.AndIwalkedinbecausethedoorwasopen,andhelookedupatmeandhesaid,not:Hello,but:Didyouhaveanydreamslastnight?What?Isaid:Well,actuallyIdid.Isaid:IhadarealbigclearTechnicolordreamthatoneofthesetwofrontteethfellout.Cantrememberwhichone.Andhesaid:Isyourfatherorgrandfatherstillalive?

Isaid:Well,myfatheris.Yeah.Isaid:Why?Hesaid:Well,thatsusuallysymbolicofyourfatheroryourgrandfatherdying.Ithought:Wellthisguysgonnabeabunchoflaughsforthenextthreeweeks.KC:[laughs]Wow!DI:AndwhenInextgotacalloutofPeru,myfatherhaddiedbackinEngland.Itwasunbelievable.KC:OhmyGod.DI:Anyway,Igoaroundwiththisguyandwhereitallleads,whichkindof...Fundamentallyitleadstothereasonbehindtheridicule.EventuallyheputusinahotelcalledtheSillustaniinPuno.ItskindofsouthernPeru,notfarfromLakeTiticaca.TheSillustani

HotelwasnamedafteranIncaruinsiteaboutanhour,hour-and-a-halfsdriveaway.Sotherespicturesofthisplacealloverthehotel,oftheruins.AndIsaidtotheguy:Iwanttogothere.Sowegoout.IthinkhedidadealtogetsomemoneyoutofmebecauseIgooutinlikealittletouristbuswithwindowsontheside,withatouristbusdriver,andtheguideandme.Nobodyelse.[Billlaughs]Wegoouttothisplace,anditsinthemiddleofnowhere.Basicallywhenyoulookedaround,itwasencircledbymountains-inthe


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distance,mind.AndIgothere.Theonlypeoplethereareacoupleofchildrenwithllamasfortouristphotographs,buttherewerenotourists.SoIwalkaroundforaboutanhour,anditsverynice.Itsonahillwithalagoononthreesides.Igobacktothecar.AndIm...itwasnice,butitdidntmatchtheurgeIhadtogothere.SoIgetintothevanthingandwestarttodriveaway.AndImlookingoutthewindow,day-dreaming,andIseethismoundtomyright.Itmusthavebeennomorethanthreeminutesdowntheroad.AndasIlookatthemound,allIcanhearinmyheadis:Cometome.Cometome.Cometome.Cometome.What?Imreallynewtothisstuff.Imean:Whatsgoingonwithmylife?SoIsaidtotheguide:Canyoustopthevan?-thebusthing.Imgoingupthemound.SoIwentupthemound.Icouldntseeitfromtheroad,butwhenIgottothetop,therewasacircleofstandingstonesaboutwaist-high.Thesestoneshadobviouslybeenthereavery,verylongtime.SoIwalkintothemiddleofthiscircle,andImlookingacrosstoSillustani,andacrosstothedistantmountains,anditsapiercing-hotPeruvianday.Noclouds,notacloudinthesky.Verymuchlikethisonetoday.

Iwalkedtothecenterofthecircle,andsuddenlymyfeetgoagain,liketheydidinthenewsshop,butonlyseriouslymorepowerful.Thererelikemagnetspullingmyfeettotheground.AndIthink:Ohcrikey.Irecognizethat.Herewego.AndthenIfeltlikeadrillgoinginthetopofmyheadandthroughmybody,throughmyfeet,intotheground.Andthenanotheronecomingtheotherway.Andthenmyarmsgooutat45degreeslikethat.Inevermadeanydecisiontodoit.Andofcourse,youholdyourarmsoutthereforaminute,itstartstoache,ormyshouldersdoanyway.Itwasthebestpartofanhour...itmustbe45minutestoanhourmyarmswerelikethat.Whenitwasover,myshoulderswereagony,butwhenitwasgoing

on,nothing.Whatthenstartedtohappenisthisenergycomingthroughme.ThisisFebruary1991.Itgotmoreandmorepowerful.Mybodystartedtoshakewithit,andIhadtwoverypowerfulthought-formspassthroughmyhead,justlikeinthenewsshop.Thefirstonesaid:Theyllbetalkingaboutthis100yearsfromnow.AndImthinking:Talkingaboutwhat?Andtheotheronewas:Itwillbeoverwhenyoufeeltherain.Ivejustdescribedwhattheweatherwaslike.Itwillbeoverwhenyoufeeltherain?Imean,yourehavingalaugh,mate.Sowhathappenedthen,forthenext45minutes--becausetime

disappeared;therewasnotime;Iworkeditoutlaterwasthatthisenergyjustkeptcomingthroughme.AndIkeptgoinginandoutof,ifyoulike,awareness,consciousness,likedrivingacarandyougo:Crikey.Wheredidthelasttwomilesgo?OneofthesetimeswhenIcamebacktokindofawareness,Inoticedthatoverthedistantmountainstherewasalightgraymist.AndkindofasIwatchedit,itgotdarkeranddarkerveryquickly,andIrealizeditwaspouringrainonthedistantmountains.Overthenextlittlewhile,howeverlongitwas,Iwatchedthisstorm


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comeoutofthemountains.Weatherpeopletalkabout,youknow,aweatherfront.Well,thiswasastraightline.Thecloudwasastraightline.Ivedescribeditmanytimes.Itwaslikedrawingthecurtainsacrossthesky.Thisthingscomingtowardsme,andasitgotcloser,thesunsgone.Itsbeencovered.AllthecloudsarebillowingandImseeingfacesintheclouds.Itdidntmakesensetome,butIsawfacesintheclouds.Andthenitsawallofrain.Imwatchingitcomingtowardsme.BythistimeImhangingon,youknow,withthisenergycomingthroughme.Eventuallyithitsme-torrentialrain-andeverythingstopped.ThatswhenIstaggeredforwardandmyshoulderswereagonyandalltherestofit.Manyotherthingshappened,butwhenIcamebacktoEnglandafterthat...AsIsaidearlier,mybookwaspublishedintheearlypartof1991,whichisamatterofaveryshorttimeafterthisexperience.WhenIlookbacknow,itwaslike...Youknow,ifyouvegotadamanditsholdingwaterback,thewateriscalm-right?-becausethatsitsnaturalstateinthatsituation,ifyoulike.Butwhenthedambursts,beforeanewbalanceisfoundafterthedamnbursts,allhellbreakslooseinthewater-right?-asitstryingtogofromonestatetoanother.BR:Yep.DI:WhenIlookback,whathappenedtomeonthatmound,itwaslike

thewatersofmymindbursting,andforthreemonthsIdidntknowwhatplanetIwason.Right?Inthemiddleofthis,mybookcameout,andIwentonthebiggestlive-chatshowinBritainatthetime--itwascalledtheWoganShow--inacompletebloodydazeaboutwhatwashappeningtome.IthadallbeeninthenationalpapersthatbasicallyIhadgonecrazy.AndIwassittinginthischairinthechatshowandtheaudiencewaslaughingwithinaminute,twominutes.Andtheybasicallylaughedfor...IthinkImusthavebeenonaboutfifteen,sixteen,seventeenminutes,andfromthatmomenton,becauseIwastalkingaboutwhatwashappeningtome,exceptIdidntunderstandwhatwashappeningtome,andwhatthatdidwastriggerthemostextraordinarylevelsof

ridicule.And...ah...itclearedmeoutofthatfearofwhatotherpeoplethink.ButIlearnedsomuchabouthumanbehavior,Iremember,becausewhatyouresupposedtodowhenyoufacethatscaleofridiculeisrunandhide.Right?BR:Thatisoneofthemeansthatsusedtocontrolus.DI:Yeah.SowhatIdidis,Iwentonauniversityspeakingtour[Kerrylaughs]infrontofallthesestudentswhohadnotcometolisten.Theydcometolaugh.Right?KC:Myunderstandingisthatwhatyouhadisakundaliniexperience.Doyourelatetoitlikethatordoyoucallitsomethingelse?DI:Idontcare.KC:Buthaveyouinvestigatedorhasanyonetalkedtoyouaboutthat?

DI:No.No.Imean,Ivetalkedtopeopleaboutkundaliniexperience,andmaybeitwas.See,whatIdo--Icanonlytalkformyselfis:Whatis,is.Youknow?Oneofthethingsthatwassaidtomebythepsychic,orthroughthepsychicin1990whenallthisstartedformewas,theyresaying:Youwillfaceenormousoppositionbuttheywillalwaysbetheretoprotectyou.Now,Idontknowwhotheyare.Ivehardlyeventhoughtaboutwhotheyare,becausewhenIleavethisgeneticspacesuit,Iwillknowwho


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theyare.AllIdoisIgowithmyintuition.Andwhathappenedtomein1991,withthegreatridicule,was,aslifesooftendoes,itgavememygreatestgiftbrilliantlydisguisedasmyworstnightmare,becausethatswhatitwasatthetimeandintheexperiencingofit.Sowhatactuallyhappenedtomeis,somethingtransformedmysenseofperceptionandthatsgoodenoughforme.Idontreallyhavetoknowthedetailofwhathappened.Butakundaliniexperience?Itcouldwellhavebeen.Yeah.BR:Andinthemeantimeitsgotsomethingtodowithtemperingthesteel.DI:Sayagain?BR:Temperingthesteel.DI:Temperingthesteel...Yeah.BecauseasIkeepcomingbackto...mypersonaljourneyandwhatImdoingintermsofcommunicatinginformationabsolutelyareOne.IwasgoingtosaywhathappenedtomewhenIwentoutonthatuniversityspeakingtour.ItwastheUniversityofNottingham.Therewereathousandpeoplethere.Iwouldsay950hadcometolaugh.Iwalkedoutonthestage,anditwasliterallythebestpartoffifteen

minutesbeforeIcouldspeak,becauseitwasjustabuse,ridicule,laughter,plasticbeerglassesthrownatthestage.Ijuststoodthereandwaitedforittodiedown,becauseithadtoeventually,andwhenitdid,Isaid:YouthinkImmentallyill,dontyou?Andyouknowwhatitslike:[imitatesraucousaudienceresponse]Wellllyuuh...[andotherrudevocalizations].AndIsaid:Sowhatdoesthatsayaboutyou?Becauseyouveactuallypaidtocomeheretoridiculesomeoneyouactuallybelieveismentallyill.[Kerrylaughs]Itellyouwhat,youcouldhearapindrop.Andyoucouldhearapindropfortherestofthenight.TodowhatIvedoneintermsoftalkingaboutsomereallybizarre

things,youknow,mynamestillonlyhastobementionedinanationalnewspaperinBritainanditslikecompleteridicule,whateverImsaying.BR:Itstoneddownabit.DI:Alittlebit,butnotverymuch.Imean,Istoodforelectioninaparliamentarybi-electioninJulylastyear,July2008--nottogetelected--IknewIwouldntgetanyvotes;Ididntwantanyvotes.Imean,Imustbethefirstparliamentarycandidateevertoputoutaleaflettoeveryoneintheconstituencysaying:Idontwantyourvotes,justyourbriefattention.Goodnessme,Ididntwanttogetinvolvedinthat!But,again,itwasagreatexperienceandIlearned

alotfromit.Butthemediacoveragewas...Ididamediapresentationforthenationalpresswhichwasabout,Idontknow,50minutes,PowerPointpicturesandstuff,inwhichItalkedaboutthefive-senselevelofit.Becauseanythingelse,Imean,eventhatblewtheirbloodyminds.Anythingelse,reptilians...Imean,crikey.Whattheydidistheyjustwentawayandjustabusedme,andabusedit,andridiculedme.Andironically,theonethatdidthemostabuse...OneofthethingsIsaidwascoming,actuallyaboutsixweeks


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later,wasactuallythefrontpagestoryinhisownnewspaper.Imean,itsbizarre.Thesepeoplehavetotalcognitivedissonancesothattheycantputthesetwothingstogether.Soitsstillthere,butitdoesntmatter,youknow.Wereinasituationwhere,thankstotheInternet,wecanbypassthesesadpeoplethatworkwiththeirconcretemindsinthemainstreammedia.BR:Andyoudonthavetoreacheverybody,justenoughpeople.ItsTheHundredthMonkeyprinciple.DI:Yeah.IlltellyouwhatIfeelmoreandmore,youknow.Imean...Look,IcanfeelitwhenIspeak,anyonespeaks.Itsavibrationalcommunication.Theressilencebetweenyouandme.Theressilencewhenyouspeaktomeuntilmybrainsdecodedit.Whatitis,isvibrationalcommunication.AndIfeelverystronglythatitsnotjustthepeoplethathearthisinformation,itsthefactthatthisinformationscirculating.Ifyoudoaninterviewforaradiostation,100,000peoplemightlistentoit.Butthatbroadcastfrequencycarryingthatinformationispassingthroughtheether,ifyoulike,andistheretobepotentiallypickedupbypeoplewhodontevenlistentotheradiointerview.Ittouchesthemonavibrationallevel,and,youknow...KC:Ithinkthatsright.YouretalkingaboutTheButterflyEffect,inessence.DI:Yeah,it...

KC:Itmultiples.Thatsactuallyaverygoodwaytoputit.Youknow,onasubliminallevel...becauseweexistonsomanydifferentlevels.DI:Mmhm.Exactly.KC:Itslikewaves.Itsactually...itshittingthem.AndtheresthelinethatIvebeenquotinglatelythatsays,youknow:Welearnbyosmosisjustasmuchasbyword.Itactuallypermeatesjustbyosmosis.DI:Yes.KC:Intoourskin.Intoourbrain.DI:Exactly.KC:Werereceivers.DI:Exactly.Werereceiver/transmitters.Thatswhatweare.But

peoplethinkthattheonlyformofcommunicationisvoice-to-ear.Illtellyouafunnystory.In2003IwasintherainforestofBrazilandItookthisayahuascapsychoactivedrug.SomebodydidnttellmeIwastakingapsychoactivedrug,butImgladIdid,though.Itwasfantastic.Alotofpeoplehavebadexperience,but...Thisfemalevoicetalkedtomeasloudasmineisnowforfivehoursabouthowreality,physicalreality,isanillusion.Absolutelyrivetingstuff.Very,veryfunny.Imean,myfeetweretheairacoupleoftimes,itwassofunnywhatwascomingout.Andasthevoicewastellingmethings,Isawpicturesthatobviouslywerebeingprojected.TherewasonewhereIwalkedoutonastageandtherewasanaudience.Ijustsawthefrontoftheaudiencehereandthisvoicesaid:Youonlyspeakwordstokeepthemindhappy,

basicallytokeepthebrainhappy.Andasthisvoicewassayingthis,Isawtwowomeninthefrontrowofthisscenethathadbeenprojectedtome,andIdwalkedouttothefrontofthestageandIdjuststoodthere,andjustsaidnothingSilence.Andafterawhilethisonewomannudgestheotheronelikethatandgoes,basically:Whatshedoing?Andthevoice...itwassofunnywhatitsaidbecauseitcameoutofnowhere.Thevoicesaid;Youonlyspeakbecauseifyoudidnot,theaudiencewouldbeaskingwhenthef???ishegoingtostart?[laughs]


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Thatactuallycarriesaprofoundkindofunderstanding,becausetherealcommunicationbetweenallofusisunspoken.KC:Absolutely.DI:Andthisisverygoodnews.AndthisiswhatIwouldimpressuponpeople.Themoreyouspeakyourtruth-evenifpeoplearenotlistening-yourechanging,oroffering,avibrationalfieldwhichotherpeoplecantuneinto.Youknow,whenIlookatthespeedatwhichpeopleareawakening,itsnotjustbecauseofinformationontheInternet.Itsnotjustbecauseofinformationinmybooksorsomeoneelsesbooks.Thereissomethingmassivegoingon,vibrationally,whichfitstotallywithwhatIgotthroughthatpsychicin1990,whichwas:Thereisaspiritualrevolutioncominganditstakingtheformofavibrationalchange.Icanseeit.In1990-noevidence.Now?Imean,please.Youcanseeit.IhadpeoplecomeuptomeinLAwhenIspokethererecently,saying:Iwasabsolutelyapartofthesystemuntilthreemonthsago.KC:Right.DI:IreadoneofyourbooksandsuddenlyImjusttotallydifferent.

Now,itsnotjustbecausetheyreadoneofmybooks.Ifyoustarttuningintothisvibrationalchange,thenbang!Thingscanhappen

real,realquick.And,personally,Ifinditsuchagoodthingthat,frommyexperience,Iwentthroughallthat...thatnightmareexperienceintheearly1990swhenIstartedtoawake,notknowingwhatthehellwashappening.Becausenowyoucanexplaintopeoplethatifyouhaveanenergeticconstructhere-whichwasyoubelievingeverythingwasreal,andthesystemwasservingyou,andthisisthecuttingedgeofhumanevolution,andallthisnonsense-thatvibrationalfieldisvibratingyourstateofbeingout[ward],anditwilldrawtoyoupeople,places,waysoflife,experiences,etcetera,locations,whichfityourinnerselfbecausetheouterselfisaprojectionoftheinnerself.

Sowhenyoustarttotransform--thisiswhathappenedtome,butImeanithappenstoeverybody--toanotherstateofbeingwhichthendrawstoyouaverydifferentgroupofpeople,places,locations,waysoflife,etcetera,thereisatransitionbetweenthetwo.Itdoesntgo:Onegone!Ereyougo![Kerrylaughs]Thisonehastobreakdownasthisoneemerges.Itsaprocessofonelosingpoweroveryourreality,anotheronegainingpower.Itcanhappenveryquickly,butitsnotlikeinstant.KC:Thatsactuallyaverygreatmetaphorforwhatsgoingoninthemacrocosmoftheplanet.DI:Exactly!KC:AndintheUnitedStatesinparticular,butcertainlyEngland.

Youknow,allover.Wecanseeithere.Imean,whatshappeningherewiththeeconomicdownturnandwithpeoplelosingtheirhouses,theirshells,ifyouwill.Itchangestheirlives.DI:Icouldntagreemore.KC:Andthemoreyouresist,Ithink,themoredestructionisgoingtohappen.Thelessyouresist,thequickerthedestructivephaseisoverandyoucanactuallystartclimbingbackup.DI:Exactly.KC:Inyourcase,youwerequiteextraordinaryinthesensethatyouhadthisradicalchangeinyourlife.Youwent,youknow,fromblack


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towhitealmost.Therewasalmostnodowntimeforyou,itsoundslike,althoughyousaidforthreemonths...DI:Threemonthswasthebigdowntime.KC:Butthatsextraordinarilyquick,especiallyinthe90s.Today,Ithinkthisishappeningtopeopleandtheyaregoingthroughaquickertransition.Andinsomewaystheresalsoareasonforthat,becauseyouandpeoplelikeyouhavemadeiteasierforthosethatarefollowingnowtogothroughthechanges.DI:Ihopeso.KC:Breakingthroughaveil.DI:Ihopeso.Imean,Igetsuchsatisfactionwhenpeoplesaythattheywerehelpedinunderstandingwhatwasgoingon.Andyoureabsolutelyright.Imean,Italkaboutthisalotnowbecausebetweenthat-theoldselfandallthatitprojectsinwhatwecallthephysicalexperience,andthenewselfwhichprojectssomethingelse-thereisapparentchaos.Relationshipsbreakdown,youloseyourjob,youcanloseyourhouse,andallthisstuff,andifyoulivethatasaphysical,I-am-a-human-bodyexperience,thenitsvery,verychallenging.Ifyousay:Look,thisiswhereIwanttogo,andyourealizethatthisisthetransitiontogetthere,thenyoucanencompasstheunpleasantexperiencesasjustthat-anexperience-whichyoure

goingthroughtogettosomewhere.Andquiteright.Thecollective...Theressomanylevelstothis,youknow.Peoplesaytomesometimes:Tellmewhatsgoingon.Isay:Well,firstofall,Imnottheguru,butifyouwanttoknowwhatIthinkisgoingon,myquestionis:Whatlevelofwhatsgoingondoyouwanttotalkabout?Becausetheressomanywaystoobservethesamething.Soononelevel,theseIlluminatibloodlineshavecrashedtheglobaleconomicsystembecausetheywanttohavethatasaproblemtowhichtheycanofferasolution,whichisafiercelyOrwellian,Fascist,centralizedeconomicsystem.Butonanotherlevel,Iwouldsuggest,wellbeyondtheirlevelofcomprehension-becausetheyrestuckintheirownbox,otherwisethey

wouldntbedoingwhattheyredoing-wearewitnessingthetransitionfromthePrisonSocietytotheParadiseSociety,ifyoulike,ortheFreedomSociety.Andtogofromthesystemwevehad,whichisbasedoncontrolandimposition,tothesystemthatwereheadingtowards-whichiswhatvibrationalchangeisallabout-thishasgottagoanditsnowgoing.KC;Right.DI:Ifpeople...Anditseasytosaythis.Itseasytosaytheseapparentlytritethingswhen,youknow,yougotaknockonyourdoorsayingyoureleavingyourhousetoday.Butifwecanholdthislevelofseeingit,itmakesiteasier.Weregoingthroughthisprocesswhereitsallbreakingdown.Andif

wecanencompassitaswhatitis,whichisacollectiveexperiencetogettowherewedliketogo--aworldoffreedom,aworldofkindness,aworldoflove,aworldoffreedomtoexpressyouruniquenessratherthanbeimprisonedinyourtinyversionandfalseidentityofwhatyouaretoldyouare--thenitsmucheasierthanifyouseektoclingtothewreckageofthedyingsystemandholdittogether.KC:Right.Insomeways,youweresomethingofapioneer,whereyouhadtogoitalone.


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BR:Iimagineyoumusthavemuchmoresupportnowfromeverywhere,justinthewaythatKerryisdescribing,thanyoudidwhenyoureallyfeltyouwerealonegoingdowntherapids.DI:Yes.Itsfunny,though,because...ImeantherearesomanythingsIdliketotalkaboutthatyoujustbroughtup,becauseIthinkitsvery,veryimportant.IwouldntsayImaloner,butmyconnectionhasalwaysbeentothatwhichisdrivingmeandopeningdoorsandpushingmeinthisdirection,andIjustfollowthat.So,althoughIwasaloneinsomanywayswhenitallhappened,Istillhadthatconnection.AndIstillhavethatconnectionnow.Andpeopleareverykindandverysupportive,butIstillbasicallyjustoperateinmyownlittlebubbleandjustgomyownway.Idontdealwithorganizations.Idontconnectwithotherresearchersoranythinglikethat.Ijustfollowthisimpulse.Butitiseasierbecausetheresmorepeoplethatareopentowhatyouresaying.But,youknow,whatyouvejustbroughtupisvery,veryimportantand...Youknow,forme,ifnotthegreatesthumandiseaseofallbecauseeverythingcomesoutofit,Iguess,isinsecurity.IronicallyitwasattheheightofmassnationalridiculethatIfoundmysecurity.Becausetheresthatlineinthatsong,Ithinkitwasinthe60s:Freedomsjustanotherwordfornothinglefttolose.

KC:Absolutely.BR:Andyouhavetolookinsideforyoursecurity.Yourenotgoingtogetitfromanywhereelseoutside.DI:Yeah.Imean,youlookatmysituationinregardtothatlinefromthatsongintheearly90s,early-mid-90s,Iwasbeingridiculedbyanation,soIhadnothinglefttolose.AndthatswhenIfoundfreedom,thefreedomtobreakoutoftheprisonsoffearingwhatotherpeoplethink.AndbasicallyIwas:Laugh!Laugh,butthisisme.Youknow,Isawagreatcarsticker.BR:Iamme,andIamfree.DI:IsawagreatcarstickerinCalifornia-itwouldbeCalifornia-anditsaid:YoulaughatmebecauseImdifferent.Ilaughatyou

becauseyoureallthesame.[Kerrylaughs]Idontlaughatpeoplebecausetheyreallthesame,butitisironicwhenthisherdmentalityiskindoffocusingononeperson,asitwasinBritainatthattime.Andyoulookatthemandyouthink:Yourelaughingatme?MyGod![laughs]Andso,thiseconomicthingthatsgoing...and,youknow,Ivebeendescribingitrecentlyaslikeacontrolleddemolitionofabuilding.Youseethechargesgooff,andthentheresabizarresplit-secondbeforethebuildinggoes,andthenitcollapses.Well,intheeconomictermsofthiscrash,weareinthatbizarresplit-secondnow.Weveseennothingyet.Imean,thisisacrashthatnoonealivetodaywillhaveseen.Itcouldbecomparedwiththe1930s,butbecause

ofthewaytheworldis,andtheresmorepeople,andthenatureofhomeownershipandalltherestofit,Ithinkitsgoingtobebigger.BR:Sopeoplewithgardensandindependentmeansofdoinganythingatallwillbemuchmoreinterconnected.DI:Thatstheidea.Youreabsolutelyright.Absolutely.Andsowenowfacethisverysituationyouretalkingabout,whereweneedtoreevaluateour...anditwouldhavebeenagoodideatodoit


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anyway...KC:Yes.[laughs]DI:...oursymbolsofsuccess.KC:Right.DI:Now,becauseinsecurityisrampantinpeopleandsociety,bothindividuallyandcollectively,andonthelevelofgovernmentsandmediaandalltherestofit,areconstantlygettingpeopletofeelinsecure,mostpeopledonotgettheirsenseofwhotheyarefromin-here.Theygetitfromwhattheythinkisout-there.See?Itsintheirheads.KC:Absolutely.DI:Therefore,ifyouaregoingtoattracttoyoutherecognitionyouwantthatyoureanOKperson,tofeedyourinsecurity,youhavetosucceedout-thereonthebasisofthesymbolsofsuccessthatout-thererecognizesassuccess.Andofcoursethroughthemediaandindoctrinationfromcradletograve,itsmoremoney,biggerhouse,biggercar,fame,allthisstuff,titles,andallthisbusiness.BR:Hewhodieswiththemosttoyswins.DI:Yeah.Sowhatyouvegotis,theinsecurityitselfis-tokindoffeedsomeacknowledgmenttolessenitsinsecurity-itschasingthesesymbolsofsuccessthatsocietyhasdecidedissuccessful.Andweforgetothersymbolsofsuccess:AmIhappy?AmIfulfilled?Youknow.DoIliveinasociety,akind,lovingsocietythatIdlike

tolivein?Allthisgoesbytheboardbecausetheotherthingaboutneedingtosucceedonthismanufacturedbasis,tofeedthis,isthatyouthenhavetocompetewithalltheotherpeoplethataretryingtosucceedinthesamewaytofeedtheirinsecurity.KC:Right.DI:AndthatcreatesthisDogeatdog/Topofthegreasypolesociety,whereeveryoneswalkingovereveryoneelse--noteveryone,butvastnumbersofpeoplearewalkingovereveryoneelsesothattheyretheonesonthetopofthepilethatgettheirinsecurityfedmostprofoundlywiththesymbolsofsuccess.ThisinsecurityiswhyyoufindsomeofthemostinsecurepeopleyoullevermeetinplaceslikeHollywoodandintheentertainment

industrybecausetheirinsecurityissuch...Andtheyrenotalllikethis.Thereareverysecurepeoplewhojustplaymusicandliketoact,buttheresalotofinsecurepeoplebecausetheyneedthatextraadulationtofeedtheirinsecurity.Andso,ifwecanmoveourpointofobservationfromIamthisbodythatIseeinthemirrorinthemorning.IamDavidIcke.IamCharlieSmith,EthelJones,whatever,toIamConsciousnesshavinganexperience,thenyourvaluesofwhatissuccessfulchangebecauseyourpointofobservationofeverythingchanges.ItsthemindworkingthroughthebodythatdealsinstatusandsymbolsofsuccessthatareHowhighisyourpileoftrinkets?

Whereas,Consciousnessdoesntdealintrinkets.Itknowstheyreillusory.And,ofcourse,whenyoudealintrinketslikethat,itsthetrinketscontrollingyou;yourenotcontrollingthetrinkets.[laughs]BR:Ofcourse.DI:Andso,forme,thewholefoundation,bothofcomingthroughthiscrashtosomethingmuchbetterastheresultofit,andthewholetransformationingeneral,ismovingoutofMindandintowhatIcallConsciousness,whichisthatbeyondthisvirtualrealitygame,beyond


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thisbiologicalcomputerwecallthebody.AndyoucanstarttoseethedifferencebecauseMinddealsinstructure.Itdealsinhierarchy,anditdealsinapartness.Itseeseverythingasapart.BR:Andpolarization.DI:Yeah.Andifthatswhatyouare,ifthatsthewayyoureseeinglife,intermsofhierarchalstructures,apartness,andcompetition,andallthisstuff,youreinMind.Ironically,thereligionsareinMind.TheyreallMindconstructs,thereligions.Thatswhytheyhaverulesandregulations.BR:Ofcourse.DI:Thatsanothermassiveredlight.Hey!Mind!Andthatsrulesandregulationandlaws.KC:Andlimitations.DI:Limitation,asenseoflimitation.So,ifwecanchangeourpointofobservationsoweceasetoseeourselvesvitallyandtheworldwethinkwerelivingin,inthoseterms,andlookatitfromapointofviewofConsciousness...Isaidearlierthatthisforcethatsbeenkindofpushingmethroughmylast20yearstookmethroughsynchronisticexperiencestounderstandthefive-senseleveloftheconspiracy,thenmovedintotheinterdimensionalconnectionandthereptilianconnectiontothese

families.Andsince2003itstakenmeintowhatIknowisbyfarthemostimportantandthatisunderstandingthenatureofreality.Because,youknow,howcanyougetagraspofyourownlifeandtakeanykindofcontrolofyourownexperience,ifyoudontknowwhoyouare,whereyouare,orthenatureoftheworldyourelivingin?Thisinformation,forme,isbyfarthemostimportantbecauseitmovesthepointofexperiencefromin-this-worldtoobserving-this-world,oramixtureofthetwo,andthat...Ifyourein-this-worldandyoureof-this-world,thenwhatscomingisgoingtobeabloodynightmare.Ifyoubecometheobserveraswellastheexperiencerbybecomingmoreconscious,thenitsmucheasier.Becausethatsnotyou,thatsyourexperiencewhichyouareobserving

and...KC:Absolutely.Thisissomethingthat...GeorgeGreensaysthathewasincontactwiththePlejaransandthattheyhelpedwriteabookthroughhimthatsaysthatexactthing,thatyouneedtostayintheobservermode.DI:Exactly.KC:Andobservewhatsgoingonandnotgetcaughtupintheexperienceinsuchawaythatactually,asyousaid,youbecomeof-this-worldinsteadofin-it-but-not-of-it.DI:Yeah.AndwhatIvefound,asImtalkingmoreandmoreabouttherealitywelivein,isitdoes,ifyoulike,taketheedgeoffthefearofwhatshappening.Becauseitisfunny,really.Ithinkthatwhenwefindouteverything

thatsgoingonandthenatureofwhatwereexperiencingandwhatsbehindit,Ithinkweregoingtolaughforweeks.Ido.Ithinkweregoingtolaughforweeks.AndwethoughtitwasTHAT?Oh,myGod.Thewholethrustofthemazeandopeningandclosingdoorssince2003,forme,anditsgettingmoreandmoredeep,anddeeperanddeeper,is:Whatisreality?Whoarewe,whatweredoinghere?Andhowdoweinteractwithit?Anditsverycleartomethatthisisavirtualrealityuniverseofenormousadvancementcomparedwithwhatweperceivetobevirtual


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realitysimulationsinthisworld.And,youknow,thisisnotjustsupposition.Thisisprovablescientificfact.BR:Yes.Imeanitssogoodthatwethinkitsreal.[laughs]DI:Yeah.Youknow,thefivesensesjustdecodevibrationalinformationintoelectricalsignals,sendittothebrain,andthebraindecodesitintothisconstructthatwethinkisoutside-therebutitsactuallyinside-us.Theonlyplacethisworldexists,aso-calledsolidworld,athreedimensionalworld,isout-there,wethink.Butactuallyitdoesntexistout-there.Out-thereisjustvibrationalfields.Itexistsin-hereasweconstructit.Andeventhebrainisadecodedconstruct,aswell.Itsonanenergeticlevelthatwedothedecoding,really.Thisisvery,veryimportantbecausewhatthemanipulatorsdo,becausetheyvehoardedthisbasicknowledgeandpasseditoveratthehighestlevelofthesecretsocietynetworkandsuckeditoutofpubliccirculation.KC:Thatsright.BR:Yep.DI:Theyknowthatifwelookout-thereforanswers,believingthatthereisanout-there,insteadofanillusoryprojectionthatsgoingonin-here,thenwerenevergoingtochangeanything.BR:Yep.

DI:Never!Werenevergoingtochangeanything,Andonceyougo:Ah!Theresnoout-there,sowheresitcomingfrom?Oh!Itscomingfromin-here,sothisiswhereIhavetochange.Oh!Thereyougo!ItswhatIcall--andthisiswhatmostpeopledobecauseofthesuppressionofthisunderstanding--istheystandinthemovietheaterandtheyshoutatthescreenbecausetheydontlikethemovie.KC:Uhhuh.DI:Andpeoplesay:Yourecrazy.Yourenevergonnachangethemovieshoutingatthescreen.Gofindtheprojectionroom.Changethereelifyoudontlikethemovie!Andtheprojectionisdeepwithinus,youknow.SomeresearchIsawrecentlysaysthatonlyabout5%ofbehavioranddecisionsthatwe

makearewiththeconsciousmind.Iwouldactuallysaythatsnottrue,personally.Idsay100%ofwhathappensinthisthree-dimensionalrealitysonlyinourhead--actuallyisaprojection.Theconsciousmindisactuallynotthedecision-makeratall.Itstheobserverandexperiencerofit,anditliterallyisthesameprincipleasamovieprojectorwhichcomesfromwithin,withinwhatwecallthesubconscious,whereallthosepatternsofairwhichwerebeinginfluencedbyandareaffectingourprojectionandourreadingofit.Anditcomesoutofthesubconscious.Bythetimeithitsthescreenin-here,symbolicallyonthemovietheater,itsadonedeal.Thisiswherethechangehastotakeplace--withinus--tochange

theprojectionwhichisourconsciousmindsexperience.Peoplearesocaughtintheconsciousmindasthatstheonlylevel.Imean,youhearthemtalkaboutsubconsciousandallthatstuff,butreallyits:Ithoughtit.Well,howcomeexperimentshaveshownthattheelectricalchangesandmuscularchangestomakeanactionhappen,happenasplit-secondbeforetheconsciousmindhasdecidedtodoit?Itsbecausetheyreplayingitout.Andso,thistalkaboutWemustgowithin,thisNewAgemustgowithin--andtheresmuchabouttheNewAgeIwouldchallenge--butthisbasicthemeisabsolutelyright,


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Iwouldsay.Andwhatthewholeconspiracystryingtodoisgetustolookout-there.Letsgoandprotest.Letsgoanddothis.Letsgoanddothat.AndyouprotestandyouhaveamillionpeopleonthestreetsofLondonprotestingagainstwar.Andwhathappens?Thewargoeson,andthentheystartanotherbugger.BR:Itsjustmoredialectic.DI:Yeah.Weneedtochangetheprojection.KC:Thisisactuallysomethingthatwevecomearoundto,andwereawarethatConsciousnessiswherethechangehastohappen.AndthenConsciousnessisalsowhereyouhavetoapplythechangeinyourvisionofreality.Youcantactuallyjuststopthere.Itactuallyhastopermeateeverything.Soitneedstobeembodiedinthisbody,butwehavetotalkaboutwhosincontrol.SoifConsciousnessisincontrolandIcanusethistodo,forexample,whatweredoinghere,whichcanbeusedtofurtherchange,andpushthechange,andhelpthechange,thenthisisagoodthing.Butitsnotenough,inotherwords,justgotoinlikeBuddhaandsimplysitinyourmindanddonothing.Becausedoingnothingisalsonottheanswer.Weactuallycameherewithapurpose.AgameisbeingplayedouthereandifyoustayintheConsciousnessandyoureabletochangeyour

innerselfandthenmirroritoutside,andfacilitate,whichiswhatyouredoing,obviously.Andobviouslyyouembodythisinyourlife.AndwhatwevebeendoingwithCamelotiswerealsotalkingabout...Youcantactuallydemonstrateinthestreetsandgetrealresultsbecauseitsreally,youknow,action/reaction.Itsreallythat.DI:Exactly.Iagree.KC:Butyoucanjoinmindsandmeditate.Thereareplacesforactionthatareactuallyreallyproactiveandcanchangetheworldinapositiveway.Itsaveryinterestingdilemmaforpeoplethattheyhavetoactuallyembodythechangethattheyseek,andliveit.Youknow,youcannotbeacontradictiontowhatsinside.Itdoesntwork.Therehastobeathrough-line.DI:Well,Iwouldputitthisway.Iwouldsaythat,asImentioneda

fewminutesago,thatthisreality,thisholographic,illusory,physicalconstructwhichweputtogetherinourheadsislikeaholographicInternet,Icallit.Thatis100%aprojectionandbythetimeithitsthescreen,itsadonedealinourexperience.ButalotofpeopleIvecomeacrossandheard,theydothinkthatifyoujustsitandmeditateorjustgowithin,thenthatsallyouneedtodo.Butthisisaprojectionanditsaprojectionfromsomewhere.Sothisprojectionisanopenbookoftheinner-us,individuallyandcollectively.Sowhatweplayoutinthisexperiencesayseverythingaboutourstateofbeing.YoucansayGowithin,andyoucanuseitasanexcusetonotgowithoutandyoucangowithinandmeditate.OK.Sowhatshappeningin

theprojectionastheresultofwhatyouredoing?Theonlyprojectionthatyoureaffectingisyousittingcross-leggedinthecorner.Whatelseischanging?Yesofcourseyoucanchangethingsvibrationally,toanextent,butwhatishappeningintheworldissayingwhatshappeninginus,andwevekindofmissedthatconnection.So,ifweredoingnothingtomakeacontributiontothekindofworldwedliketolivein,inthephysicalworld,thenthatsayssomethingaboutthestateofuswithin.Butwerenotdoingthat.


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KC:Right.DI:AndIseesomanyexcusesbeingmadebypeoplewhohavebecometoacertainextentawareofsomeofwhatsgoingon,sothattheycanjustifytothemselveswhytheyredoingnothing.Peoplesaytome:Youdonttelluswhattodo.AndIsay:Well,actually,Italkaboutbecomingconsciousandallthatstuff.Ithink,youknow,thatsastart.But,itaintformetotellyouwhattodo.AndifyouthinkthatIhavetotellyouwhattodo,thenyourenotlistening,becausethisisabouttakingpowerbacktothepointwhereweproject,ratherthanlookingout-hereatadonedeal.KC:Absolutely.BR:Theresanactiveparadoxhere,isntthere?Becausethatsnotthewholestory.Otherwiseyoudbesittinginthecornersmilingandnottalkingtoushere,andnotworkingashardasyoudo,andnottalkingtopeopletohelptheprocessofwakingthemupsothattheycanthenjoinyouinthisunderstanding,whichwesharewithyoualso.

Itsimportant,inasense,topretendthatallthisisreal,becausethisistheplatformfromwhichwecanwakenourselvesupandrejoinConsciousnessagain.Andsoitsaparadox.Itgoesonatbothlevels.Whatyousayistrue,andthisallisanillusion,anditalldoesnt

matter.Butitsallimportantenoughforustobetalkingaboutit.KC:WhatIwassayingis,inyourpresentationwhereyouretalkingaboutConsciousnessandtheMindandtheproblemswithstayingjustinMind...Theresalotofbrilliantpeopleouttherecomingtobrilliantconclusions.Andyettheycantliveit.Yousee?Themanifestationdoesntgoanywhere.DI:Yeah.Itbecomesanintellectual,academickindofpointofobservationratherthanConsciousness,whichissomethingthatjustis.ThedifferencethatIamnowincreasinglymakingisbetweenMindandConsciousness.AndIwouldgofurtherandsaythatwetalkaboutmymind,yourmind,hismind,hermind.Idontseeitlikethat.Italk

aboutTheMind.TheMindisaconstructofthevirtualrealityuniversewhichallowsus-Consciousness-tointerconnectwiththisvirtualreality.Itslikeaconduit.AndtheresabsolutelynothingwrongwithitwhatsoeverifitservestheexperienceofConsciousness,andservesourabilitytointeractwiththisvirtualrealityuniverse.Whathashappened--andIwouldstronglysuggestitsbeenmanipulatedtohappen,notleastbythesefamiliesandotherlevelsofmanipulation--iswehavebeenmanipulatedintoafalseidentitywhichisidentifyingwhowearewithMind,whichoperatesdirectlythroughthebody,andcallsitselfDavidIcke,EthelJones,CharlieSmith,thatlooksinthemirrorandthinksthatswhoitis.

Basically,youknow,thisisabiologicalcomputer.Itsnotacomputerthatjustreactstothewayitsprogrammedtoreacttodatainput.Ithastheabilityto--theycallthemlivingcomputers--biologicalcomputers.Theyretryingtobuildthemnowindifferentpartsoftheworld.Ithastheabilitytoassessinformationandmakedecisionsonit.Inotherwords,toquitealargeextentithastheabilitytothink.Whathappensis,ifwegetcaughtinMindandself-identityorThatreflectioninthemirrorisme,andnotjustmyexperience,thenMindstartstogovernoursenseofreality.AndMindisaboutdivision,


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apartness,hierarchy,rules,regulations,laws,limitation.And,youknow,youcanhavesomeoneintheNewAgearenawhotalksaboutspirituality,talksaboutotherdimensionswhichareothervirtualrealitygames,Iwouldsuggest-otherlevels,butblatantlyisstuckinMindandthevaluesofMind.Imean,IhearNewAgepeopletalkabouttheGreatWhiteBrotherhoodandthehierarchyoftheangels,andstuff.ThatsMindtalking!BR:Ofcourseitis.DI:Consciousnessdoesntdohierarchy.Itjustis.Allpossibility.Allthatis.BR:Yep.DI:Andso,thesamemind-construct,TheMind,canentrapaNewAgerasitentrapsinanotherpartofTheMindaWallStreetbanker.BR:Yeah.Itisjustanotherreligion.Itsanotherreligion.DI:Yeah!Thatsthething,youknow.Iwastalkingto...onaninterviewyesterday,andwegotintosomeinterestingareas.Heaskedmeaboutreligion.Well,religionandthepoliticalparty,andtheNewAge,andallthesethingsthatwedontcallreligionsinstitutions-theyreallthesameconstruct.KC:Right.DI:BecauseConsciousnessjustis.Consciousnessdoesntthink.Consciousnessknows.ThatswhyConsciousnessissilentwhenweaccessit,becauseitsgotnothingtoworkout.

TheMindiswherethechattercomesfrombecauseitsconstantlytryingtoworkthingsout.[makeschatteringsounds]Whataboutyesterday?Whatdshesayaboutme?[morechatteringsounds]Silence--Consciousness.So,toholdyouinMind,andthisconspiracyisaboutholdingthepopulationinMindbecausethentheygotcha...KC:Absolutely.DI:...becausethatstheirstadiumMind.TheyrestuckinMind.Iftheywereconscious,theywouldntdowhattheyredoing.ToholdusinMind,theyhavetosellussomethingtorigidlybelievein.So,religions...brilliantexampleofrigidbelief.Andwhatisit?Onceyourigidlybelievesomething,youthencallitaname.Whatareyou?Youdontsay:ImConsciousness.Howmanypeoplesay:

Hello.Whoareyou?ImConsciousness.Oh,soamI.Nicetomeetyou.No-no.Whatweareiswhatwedo:Imajournalist.Iworkinafactory.Whatareyou?ImaHindu.ImaChristian.Thesearemind-constructs.Thesearemind-prisonsthatlimitoursenseofself.Soonceyouhavearigidbelief,thenyougiveitaname.Now,Ihaveasimplephilosophyaboutallthis:Ifyoucantellmewhatyoubelieveandgiveitaname,youreinaprison.Becauseeverythingjustis.Wealljustare.ItsTheForcewithNoName,Icallit--Consciousness.Andsoyoucreatereligionandthenafterthename,thencomestherulesandregulations--thisishowtheconstructgoes--ofwhatyou

havetoconformtoifyouaregoingtobeallowedtocallyourselfwhatevernamethatsbeencomeupwith.YourenotaChristianifyoubelievethat.Andallthisstuff.Thenyoulookatpoliticalparties.Youhaveagroupofpeople.Theygettogetherandtheywanttodosomethingpolitically.Sotheygivewhattheyredoinganame:Democrats,Republicans,LaborParty,ConservativeParty,whatever.Sotheresthename.Nowcometherulesandregulationsthatdecideifyoucancallyourselfoneortheother.YoucantbelievethatandbeaConservative.YoucantbelievethatandbeaLiberal.Itsthesame


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construct,whereveryoulook.BR:Yes.DI:Andthenthebeliefsystem...Asresearchhasshown,rigidbeliefs,theneuronsfireoffinacertainnetworkandsequence,inlinewiththebelief,becausewhatthebrainsdoingisthenfiltering,decodingrealityandcircumstancethroughthebeliefsystem,whichmanifestsinthebrainasthewaytheneuronsfireoff.Andsuddenly,insteadofbeingfree-thinking,orevenbetter,free-knowing-conscious-youareoperatinginatinylittlebox.Andthatboxisbasicallythewayyour...Notbasically.Itisthewayyourbraindecodesreality.Soonceyoureintobelief,arigidbelief,thentheygotcha.Andthatswhytheywanttosellyourigidbeliefs.BR:Yes.KC:Absolutely.BR:Theresanactiveparadoxhere,isntthere?Becausethatsnotthewholestory.Otherwise,youdbesittinginthecornersmilingandnottalkingtoushere,andnotworkingashardasyoudo,andnottalkingtopeopletohelptheprocessofwakingthemupsothattheycanthenjoinyouinthisunderstanding,whichwesharewithyoualso.

Itsimportant,inasense,topretendthatallthisisrealbecause

thisistheplatformfromwhichwecanwakenourselvesupandrejoinconsciousnessagain.Andso,itsaparadox.Itgoesonatbothlevels.Whatyousayistrue,andthisallisanillusion,anditalldoesntmatter.BUTitsallimportantenoughforustobetalkingaboutit.DI:Itmatches,Bill,inthesensethat...Dowewanttoexperiencearealitythatsvery,veryunpleasant,andcontrolling,andlimiting,andfrightening,andstressful?Ordowewanttoexperiencearealitythatisloving,kind;whereno-onegoeshungryinaworldofplenty;wherethereisnowarbecauseno-onewouldevenconsidertheideathatitwasapossibilityoran

option?Thatsthechoiceweremaking.WerealwaysConsciousness,andwhenweleavethebodywellbecomeatleastmuchmoreawareofeverythingthanwearenow.Sowerealwaysconscious.WerealleternalConsciousness.Butthequestionis:Whatkindofexperiencedowewanthere?KC:Exactly.DI:Youknow,thatsthechoice.KC:Wecallit,Whatkindofgamedoyouwanttoplay?DI:Yeah.KC:Wehaveachancenow,becauseweareConsciousness,tochangetherulesofthegame,tomakeitsomethingdifferentthanitis.Change

inside,butletsalsoagree,becausethatswhatshappening.ThatswhataConsciousnessrevolutionhastobeabout.Itsnotgoodenoughforyou,DavidIcke,tohavegotit.Itsnotgoodenoughforustohavegotit.Whatweneedisforeveryonetogetit,totunethisgamehereonthisplane,becausethatswhatitsreallyabout.Inotherwords,Consciousness...andthisiswhereitgetsintoWhatisConsciousness?Itslove.Andwhatislove?Itsactuallytheawarenessofallofus.


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DI:Hmm.Well,IwouldsayeverythingisConsciousness.MindisConsciousness,butitsamuchdenserexpressionofConsciousness,andthatswhyitseeseverythingintermsoflimitation.Andaspeoplebecomeconscious,itcan-tousethetermofafriendofmineinSouthAfrica-ConsciousnesscanconscientizeMindandbringitsawarenessoutofthelevelthatitcurrentlyperceivesreality.ButIdothinkitsimportantthat,ifweregoingtoplaythisgamesuccessfully,thatweunderstandwherethegamesbeingplayed.Itsnotbeingplayedout-there.See,whatthefivesensesaredoing,likeIsaidearlier,isthattheyredecodingvibrationalinformation,turningitintoelectricsignals.Thebrainthenconstructsthisapparentrealityout-there,whichactuallyisonlyin-here.Sotheprimerealityisvibrational.Thatstheprimereality.Thatswherethechangehastotakeplace,becauseasthechangetakesplacethere,thefivesensesdecodedifferentvibrationalstatesintoelectricalsignals.BR:TheresthatwonderfulstorytoldbyMichaelTalbotinTheHolographicUniverse.DI:Yeah.BR:AndIreadthatpageoverandoveragainwhenIfirstsawthatbookinthelate1980s.Thisisthestoryaboutthestagehypnotistwhohypnotizedthefathertobelievethathisdaughterwasinvisible.

Andthenhewasabletoreadaninscriptiononthewatchheldbehindherbody,becauseforhimshewasnolongerthere,andrealityhadchanged.Itwasphysicallydifferentinhismind.DI:Well,thisisthewholepoint,yousee.Forahypnotisttoputawatchbehindsomeonesbackandsomeonetheothersideofitreadit,thatsperceivedtobeimpossible.Butitsonlyimpossibleifyoubelievethisworldtobesolidandrealandout-there.Thereasonitcouldhappenisbecausetheprimereality--andIcantemphasizethismore--theprimerealitythatisplayingouthereisvibrational.Thathastochangeorthiscantchange.Andso,ifthehypnotist,ashedid,implantedtheprogramintotheguysbrainnottodecodethevibrationallevel,theprimelevel,ofhisdaughterthroughthissystemintoaholographic,so-called

physicalformthatwesee,thenhewoulddecodealltheothervibrationalfieldsintheroomintopeopleandwallsandfurniture.Butbecauseitslikeacomputerbeingfire-walledoff,hedoesntdecodethedaughtersprimestate--yourprimestate,ourprimestate,theprimestateofeverything,thisvibrationallevel--intotheholographic,apparentlyout-therereality.Andsoshedoesntexistinhisheadasaholographicform,i.e,supposedlyphysical,sohecantseeher.Becauseshesnotthere,hecanseewhatsbehindher.Thereforehecanreadawatcheventhoughshesstandingtheretoeveryoneelseintheroom.Theycanseeher.Why?Becausetheirbrainhasnotbeenprogrammednottoreadthatenergyfieldintoaholographicform.Now,justasaquickaside,howmanythings,collectively,arewenot

readingthataretheretoberead?KC:Well,oneofthethingsistheresmorethanfivesenses.OK?Andtheheartis...Itsnotjustthemind.Itsactuallytheheart.Itsreallytheheartandtheintelligenceoftheheartthatyoucanseethroughifwedonlyusethat.Soitsmorethan...Inotherwords,thesearetoolsforus.Ourmindisatool.Ourheartisatool.Butyoucantstayuphere.[gesturingtohead]Youveactuallygottagothroughthehearttoreallysee.See,wedontseewithoureyes.Thatsactually...thatsaconstruct.Thatsamentalconstruct.


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DI:Yeah.Weseewithourbrain.KC:Weactuallyseewithourheartmorethananythingelseandthroughtheheart.Andsowhathappensis,itsaunionbetweenthemindandtheheart...DI:Iagree.KC:...thatallowsyoutosee.Andyoucouldputyourselfinthatmanspositionandsay:Howcouldthemanseethroughtheimplantthatwasputintohisbrain?Firstofall,whatdidhedo?Hehadtoacceptthemagicians,youknow,implant,tobeginwith.Sointhesameway,weinsocietyareacceptingtheimplant,whetheritstelevisionorwhatever,whichisblockingourrealviewofreality.Wereacceptingit.DI:Yeah.Imean,thethingisthough,thatwhatthehypnotistwasdoingwasjustprogrammingthedecodingmechanism.BR:Yes.DI:Andthereforehedidntdecodeavibrationalfield,i.e.,hisdaughter,intoaholographicform.Thereforehedidntseeher.AndIcompletelyagreethatthehearthasthepotentialtobeamassivepartofourreality-decoding,ourreality-expression.Butwealsohavetoappreciatethatthisconspiracy...WhileweseetheGeorgeBushesoftheworldandtheBarackObamasandpeoplelikethat,theKissingers,thereallevelofthisconspiracy,wheretheworldisbeingcontrolled,isonavibrationallevel.ThatswhyItalkaboutthesereptiliansthataredoingthisand

others,too,operatingoutsidethisreality.Theyoperateonalevelofthevibrationallevel.Thatswherethemanipulationsgoingon.BR:Yep.DI:Andweneedtobe,youknow,kindtoourselvesaswell,inunderstandingthechallengesthatweface,andnotleasttryingtounderstandaworldthatisbeingmanipulatedintoastate,orhasbeenmanipulatedintoastate,whichhasjuststoppedusunderstandingtheworld.Andso,youknow,welookattelevisionandthemanipulationoftelevisionandnewspapersandstuff,butwhenweseeanewspaperorweseeatelevisionprogram,werejustseeingthedecodedversionofa

vibrationalfield.Thosenewspapersandthosetelevisionprogramsandnewsprograms,alltherestofit,theyareactuallyphysicalholographicrepresentationsoftheprimereality,whichisavibrationalfield.BR:Yeah.Yes.DI:Itsatthatlevelthatthatmanipulationwecallsubliminal,thatmanipulationwecalllyingtothepeople,andalltherestofit,actuallyhappens.Andsobasicallywhattheyvedoneispullavibrationalveiloverus.Ifyoucanmakeitpowerfulenoughanddenseenough,youfocuspeoplessenseofperceptionintosuchanarrowareathattheydisconnectfromanawareness,andthereforeadeepeffectintheirperceptionofconsciousness.

YoureisolatingtheirpointofobservationintoMind.Andthatshappeningonavibrationallevelwhichthenplaysoutinwhatwecallthephysicalworld.BR:Yes.DI:Sowhatsvital-andthisiswhythisinformationissoimportant-notjust...IlltellyouwhatIvefound.Nothingrepresentsliterallyandsymbolicallytheprison[more]thantheleftbrain,whichdealsinapartness,language,hierarchy,structure,andallthisstuff.Andtheinformationaboutthefive-senseconspiracy,Ivefound,one


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ofitsgreatvaluesisthatitoperatesinaleft-brainrealm.Whenyoureexplaininghowthisandthatandtheotherisconnectedtothesamepeople,andtheycontrolthat,andthisiswhattheyredoing,andthesearethetechniquestheyuse...thatsleft-braininformation.KC:Ohyeah.BR:Yes.DI:Andwhenpeoplesay:Oh,youshouldntputoutthatinformation.Itsnegative.Theydontunderstandthatwerelookingatamulti-levelsituation.Thereforewehavetodealwithitonamulti-levelbasis.Thatmeanscoveringallbases,notjustsittingcross-leggedonamountain.BR:Ofcourse.DI:Now,whatIvefoundovertheyearsisthatoncetheleftbrain...BecausesymbolicallyIsee,youknow,youvegottheleftbrain,whichiswhatImtalkingabout.Youvegottherightbrainwhichisamuchmoreout-thereconnectionandseeseverythinginunity,thecreativeurge.Thenyouvegotthebridge,thecorpuscallosum,whichideallyshouldbesharinginformationsoyouvegotabalance.Youreinthisworldandofit.Youknow.Butwhattheconspiracydoes--againitsallonavibrationallevelthatitgoesin,andthenitplaysouthere--istheyput,symbolically,soldiersonthedoortotheleftbrain.

Thisiswhy,toprogresswithinthissociety,oneofthemosteffectivewaysistokeeppassingexams,andpassingexams,andgettingdegrees,andallthisstuff,becausethats...Anexamis:Heressomeleft-braininformation,nowgiveitmebackonapapertellingmewhatIvetoldyoutobelieve.OK.Youvedoneitverywell.Youvegotafirst-classdegree.Afirst-classindoctrination,often.Now,whatthisconspiracyinformation,onafive-senseleveldoes,ittalkstotheleftbraininthelanguagetheleftbrainunderstands.AndIveseenitoverthetimeinmypersonalexperience,andofcourseotherpeoplewouldhaveseenit,itstartstomaketheleftbrainchangeitssenseofreality.Onceitstartstochangethat,itstartstothink:Well,holdona

second.IfeverythingIthoughtabouttheworldherewaswrong,anditsnotlikethatatall,whattheheckelseisinthisworldisnotlikeIthoughtitwas?Iveseenthis,wherepeople,oncethatleftbrainstartsthisprocessofwithdrawingfromasenseofItknowswhatsgoingontoIneverknew...thenitstartstomove.Asitstartstomove,itliterallystartstoopentootherpossibility,andthenthismovementbetweenthehemispherescanstarttohappen.Iveseenpeoplewhowouldhavelaughedinmyfaceaboutrealityandallthatstuff,whonowencompassitbecausetheywentthroughtheprocessofcrediblenames,dates,places,five-senseinformation,explaininglogicallywhytheworldisnotliketheythoughtitwasonafive-senselevel.Everythingstartstomovethen.

So,youknow,itsimportantthatthede-programmingofpeoplesmanipulatedsenseofrealityhappensonmultilevels,notjustkindof,youknow,Wemustbecomespiritual,wemustgowithin,youknow.

Imean,peoplesay:Oh,AlexJones,hejustfrightenspeople.Andallthat.Well,holdonasecond.Youknow,justholdonasecond.Youknowwhatsnegative?Itsnotinformation.Itsignorance.Thatswhatsnegative--ignorance.Andifyouwanttobeignorant,andthereforeamanipulatorspartytrick,thenyougoahead.Andifyouwanttolookattheinformation,thefive-senseinformation


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thatIputout,andAlexputsout,andpeoplelikethatandmanyothers,andsay:Itsnegative.Itsfrightening...Well,thefactthatyoufinditfrighteninginsteadofempoweringbecauseyounowunderstandthegamebetterandthereforeyouhavemorepowertodosomethingaboutit,thenthatisnotastatementaboutthoseputtingtheinformationout.Itsastatementaboutthewayyourereceivingit.BR:Exactly.SomethingthatwelikeverymuchwassomethingthatGeorgeGreensaidtousinourinterviewwithusApriloflastyear.Heusedthislittleanalogy.Hesaid:Listen,ifyourcarisontherailroadtrack,andtheresatraincomingdown,andyoudontknowthat,andIdonttellyou,thenitsshameonmefornottellingyouandshameonyoufornotknowing.Andthisisjustanicelittlewayofencapsulatingwhatyouresaying.DI:Yeah.IhaveananalogyIuse,verysimilartothat.Italkaboutthe-notthehurricanecoming...Whatdoyoucallthem?Thetwisters?BR:Thetornadoes.DI:Thetornadoes.Yeah.Andthetornadoscomingbutyouhaveputyourheadinabucketofsandbecauseyoudontwanttofacethefactthatthetornadoscoming.Now,youcanhidefromthatforawhile,

butyourestillthereandthetornadosstillcoming.Andyourbumisstillintheair,anditsgonnagetsmackedveryshortlybyatornado.Ifyouliftyourheadfromthesand,facethesituationthatyourein--theresatornadocoming--nowyouhavetakenpowerbacktoyourselfbysaying:OK.Iseethesituationnow.Icantakeavoidingaction,formybenefit.BR:Ofcourse.DI:Andthisiswhyitssoimportant...Youknow,IhearpeoplewhoyoumightNewAge,whotalkaboutlettinggooffearandtakingyourpowerback,andCometothisworkshopandwellshowyouhowtodoit.Andthentheysay:Oh,youmustnttalkaboutthisconspiracy.Its

toonegative.Whathappenedtolettinggooffearandallthisstuff,youknow?BR:ThesearetheguyswhoheardthattheAngelGabrielisgoingtocomeandsaveus,youknow?Thatdoesntworkeither.DI:Everylevel...itseemstomeeverybeliefsystem,everymindconstruct,seemstohaveaversionofthecavalrycomingoverthehorizon,youknow:OK.Heresthecavalry.OK?Heresthecavalry.Heresthecavalry.Theresthecavalry.Andweneedtounderstandthat,youknow,becauseifwegiveourpowerawaytootherpeople,wheredothoseotherpeopleactually...Wheredotheyactuallystand,physically,aswegiveourpowerawaytothem?

Out-there,symbolically.Sowhatweredoingisgivingthepowerawayintotheillusionandthenwonderingwhynothingeverchanges.Thewholeconspiracy,orthefoundationoftheconspiracy,istopersuade6billionpeopletogivetheirpowerawayeveryday.Andthepowerusedtocontrolusisthepowerofthesepeoplesaying:Thankyouverymuch.Thankyouverymuch.Thankyouverymuch.Takeitback,houseofcardscomesdown,becausethatswhatitis.Itsahouseofcards,andwereholdingittogetherin-here.Wereconstructingthehouseofcardsin-here.Greatnews...wecanbringit


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downin-here.KC:Right.ButIhavetosaythatwerenotonlygoingtodothatwiththeMind.Thatswhatsreallyimportanthere.DI:No,theMindplaysitout.We'regoingtodoitbybecomingconscious.Thatsthepoint.KC:Absolutely,butalsoleftbrain/rightbrain.Iwanttoaddressthatalittlebit.DI:Right.KC:Becauseitsnotenoughtoreconstructrealitybasedonthingsgettingtoaplacewhereyoudontknow,andthenyourewillingtoopentoanewconstructionofrealitysuchthatyouregoingtoplaythegamedifferent,butyourestilllodgedintheleftbrain.Youmustbringintheholisticview,theviewthatencompassestheheart,thatencompassesthefemale,whichistheyin-yangsideofthings,becausewhatwehavehere,hasbeenplayingoutforcenturies,isareallyyangviewofreality,especiallyontheWesternsideoftheworld.DI:Wellkindof.Idsayitslightlydifferently.KC:SowhatIhavetosayis,itsmorethanjustreconstructingtheleftbraininanewwaytoplaythegamebetter,becausethatsactuallycheatingyourselfonanotherlevel.Youneedtogrowandopenthedoorbetweentheleftandtherightbrain,suchthatthereisaflow.Andthatmeansthatyouretalking

abouttheheart.Youretalkingaboutsensesthatarebeyondthefive.Andsoyouhaveto...Whatyouhadtodoinyourownexplorationwas...youneverwouldhavegottentheinformationyouwantedtogetbystayingintheleftbrain.Asyousaid,youhadphysicalsensations.Theylockedyourfeet.Theygaveyouinformationthatcameoutofnowhere.Youcouldntmakelogicalsenseofit.Logicwasoutthewindow.Soleftbrainsgone,youknow.Itsevenworse,oruseless,whenyougetintothatplace.DI:Iagree.KC:Soyoumustactually...Itsliketraveling,inasense.Youmustactuallytraveltoadifferentplace.Whatyoudo[meaningDavid]is,

youfollowyourintuition.DI:Right.KC:Youreoveronyour,Iguesstheycallittherightsideofthebrain.Thatswhereyouare.Thatswhereintuitionresides,soyouveopenedthatdoor.Thereisaflow.Andthatsreallywhathastohappen.DI:Well,yeah.Imean,Itakemyintuition,whichhasguidedmeandhasleadmetoinformation.Alsoitslikeafilter.Ihaveavibrationalsensationwhensomethingisnottrueandsomethingistrue,andanotheronewhenitsmaybepartlytrue.KC:Thatsholistic.DI:Yeah.Theleftbrainsstillimportantinbringingthoseconceptsdownintoalanguageofcommunicationthatpeoplecanassimilatethat

arestuckintheleftbrain.Becauseifyoudonttalkinlogical--fromtheirperspective,logicaltermsthattheleftbraincanunderstand,whichisunderlockandkey--thenthatkeywillneveropen.Andthatisalsowhywhatyouvejustsaid,thatyouwill...ExceptonrareoccasionswhenImtalkinginaverysmalltime-scaleordoinganinterviewonaspecificsubject,Iwillnevertalkaboutthefive-senseconspiracywithoutthenatureofreality,andtheinfluenceofConsciousness,andalltherestofit.


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Anotherpointyoumakeisabouttheheart.Iagree.TheheartisabsolutelyattheheartofthisandismuchmorepowerfulthanthebrainandmuchmorepowerfulthanTheMindbecauseitisconnected.IwouldsaythatswhatconnectsusthroughtheConsciousness.Andthisconspiracyalso...Because,youknow,itsasimplething.Inthedeepshadowsbehindthepeopleindarksuitsisaforce,whateveryouwanttocallit,thatunderstandshowthisworks.KC:Right.DI:SotheyvestructuredasocietythatistoclosedownallthechannelstoConsciousness,toisolateusinMindbecausethenwereplayingintheirstadium.Andoneofthekeythingstheyuseistoclosetheheart.Toclosetheheart.Andifyouwanttoopentheheartandyouwanttobecomeconscious--itswhatIsayinmytalks--thenwhatweneedtodoistoaskthequestion:WhatwouldConsciousnessdoatthispoint?WouldConsciousness,whenwerefacedwiththissetofcircumstancessay:Well,whatsthebestoutcomeforme?No.Consciousnesswouldsay:Whatistheright,just,fairthinginthissituationformetodo?Andifwe,whenwerefacedwithchoicesallthroughtheday,askthatquestion:Inthiscircumstance,whatwouldConsciousnessdo?Andactuponitcrucially--theneverythingchanges.Andourlifechanges.Why?BecausewearenowstartingtoresonatewithConsciousnessbecausewereoperatinginitsrealm,whichis...Bydoingwhatwesay

Consciousnesswoulddointhesecircumstances,wearevibrationallylockingintothatlevelandthereforebecomingmoreandmoreinfluencedbyConsciousness.Whenwesay:Well,yeah,Iseethat,butitsnotgoodformeifIdowhatsrightinthissituation.Imustdowhatsrightforme.ThatsMind,sothatslockingyouintoMind.Youknow,thisthingaboutbecomingconscious...Iseeitsooftenallovertheworld.Imean,IwasinIndiajustbeforeChristmas.And,youknow,goodlucktothem,buttheymakeitsoundsocomplicated.Andyouknow,alotofthecomplication,IseethiswithNewAgepeoplethatstandonstagesanddoworkshops,notallofthemof

course.IseeitwithgurusinIndiaandstufflikethat.Notallofthem,again,butvastnumbersofthem.Thecomplexitysaystwothings:One,theydontreallyunderstandit,becauseifyoureallyunderstandsomething,youcanputitinsimplelanguage.BR:Idagreewiththat.DI:Thisiswhyyougetacademiarepeatingjargon.Andyousay:Look,Imanidiot,mate.OK?Iveneverpassedanexaminmelife.Ileftschoolat15tobeaprofessionalsoccerplayer.YouregonnahavetoputitinlanguageIcanunderstand.Theycantbecausetheydontreallyunderstandit.Theyrejustrepeatingjargon.Andtheothersideofthecomplexityofbecomingconsciousis,ifyou

canmakeitsoundcomplex,thenyouvetakenpoweroveryourpotentialaudience.Thatsabigthing.KC:Absolutely.Itsstillapowergame.DI:Youhavetocomethroughme.AndthemoreImakeitsoundcomplex,themorepowerIhave,andthereforethemoreyoumustcometome,andthelongeryoumuststaywithme.And,bytheway,putthecheckintheboxasyouleave.[Kerrylaughs]Andyetitissosimple.ThisisthepointIwouldmake.PeopletalkaboutWemustbecomeconscious.Itsalie.Weareconscious.Thatisournaturalstate.Whatshappenedis,


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barriersthatwehavebeenmanipulated--andwemusttakeresponsibilityforittoo,bigtime--areputinplace,havesymbolicallycreatedaconcreteshellaroundournaturalstate.Andinthisconcreteshellareallthethingsthatcontrolpeople--fearandstress,andconflict,andseekingsuccess,andcompetition,andallthisstuff.Itsnotthatwehavetobecomeconscious.Weareconscious.Itsbreakingthatshell.AndthatshellisMinddomination.Ifwecanbreakthatshell,webecomeconscious.BR:Itsliketheliethatsinlanguagewhenpeoplesay:Myspirit,Mysoul,andImhungry.Itslike,waitaminute,thisisthewrongwayaroundhere.Youknow:Ihaveabodyandmybodyishungry.Mybodyistired.AndIamasoulandIamaspirit.Thatlanguage,whichisaproductofTheMindinthefirstplace,becausewedontthinkhow...Wedonttalkhowwethink.Wethinkhowwetalk.Andlanguageisoneofthewaysinwhichwereprogrammed.DI:Amassive,massiveway.BR:AsGeorgeOrwellpointedoutin1984.DI:Programmingthecomputer.Butwhatarewords?Theyrevibrationalfields.So,again,eventhewords...Theprogrammersareactuallycominginatavibrationallevel,awaveformlevel,andtheyreonlydecodedintolanguagewhentheypassthoughthebrainconstruct.

BR:Thatstrue.DI:Soeverythinggetsin,thatplaysout-here,getsinatvibrationallevel.Thatswhyweneedtogettothatlevelofourselvesandclearourselvesoutbecausethatswhereallthepatternsareputin.AndIusethisanalogyinmytalks,that,youknow,aball,itsnaturalplaceinatankofwaterisonthetop,justfloatingaway.Itsanaturalstate.Free.Goinglike...Ifyouwanttoputtheballinanunnaturalstateinthetank,youvegottaputinonthebottomofthetankandyouvegottaholditthere.Youcantputitthereanditllstaytherebecauseitsnotitsnaturalstate.Itsnaturalstateisfloatingonthetop.Ournaturalstateisbeingconscious.

Sowhattheirmanipulationhashadtodois--andthissayssomethingaboutthetruescaleofwhoweare--ithashadtobombarduswithsomanymulti-levelsystemsofcontrol,diversion,andmanufacturedignorance,tosymbolicallyholdtheballonthebottom.Andithasntsucceeded.KC:Actually,theyremounting,thesesystemsofcontrol.ThatswhatthemovetowardsaFasciststateandaworldgovernmentisallabout.Iactuallyheardaninterviewwithyouinwhichyoutalkedaboutthatfact.Yousee,thefactthatweare-touseyouranalogy,whichisaverygoodone-weareConsciousnessandasthatballwearemovingas

agrouptowardsthesurfaceofthewater.Wereactuallygettingoutoftheirgrasp.DI:Right.KC:Asthathappens,theyreintensifyingtheirgametowanttokeepthatballdownandsothatswhythestakesarerisingonbothsides.DI:Couldntagreemore.KC:Andwhatsgoingtohappenis...Lookatthenatural,Imean,eventhemetaphorisperfectbecausewhatsgoingtohappenultimately,thewaterandtheballaregoingtowin.OK?Theresnowaythatthoseforces...Asmuchastheyintensify,sometime,


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somewherethatballisgoingtogettothesurface,likeitornot,ThePowersThatBe.DI:Yeah.KC:Now,whatsgoingtobeinterestingisiftheyactuallystartunderstandingonadeeperlevelthanpowerandtheirpower-overbecauseIvegottheclueandIvegotthekey.ThatswhattheIlluminati,youknow,thatswhattheythink.Theythink:Ifyoudontgetit,thenwecanholdyoudown.Youdeservetobehelddown.Thatsactuallytheir...Imsureyouknowthis.Thisistheirrationale.Sowhathappenswhenwe,becauseweregreaterthanourbodies...theConsciousnessthatweareisgreaterthanwhattheyarebecausetheyreonlimitation,starttowinintheirownmind?Yousee?Andtheystarttoletgo.Becausethisiswhatsprobablyhappening.Therehavetobemanymembersthathavebeenunderthethumbofthisgameandhavejoinedandarebeing,youknow,willbepattedontheheadandgivenallthereinforcementnecessarytokeeptheminthegame.Whathappenswhentheystarttoseethelight,sotospeak?DI:Andsomeofthem,Imsure,alreadyare,becausetheresnothingmorefiercelycompartmentalizedthanthiswholecontrolstructureitself.Theressomanypeoplewithinthecontrolstructure,rightdownintomainstreamsociety,thataredailycontributingtothisgathering

Fascistglobalstate,whohavenoideaofthetrueimplicationsofit.Or,astheygouphigherandhigher,havebeenmisleadaboutthenatureofthemselves,reality,andtheforcebehindit.KC:Sothenatureofthechaosandthedestructionwillactuallyworkinthefavorofreleasingtheballbecausewhathappensis,duringchaosyoucanchangesides,yousee.Youcanactually,youknow...Itsreallyhardtomaintaincontrolduringatimeofdestruction.DI:Yeah.Iagree.WhatIwouldsayisthattheballwillgettothetopofthewaterwhentheballrealizesthatitisthewater.[Kerrylaughs]Andthescaleofthemovementandthespeedofmovementofthis

conspiracynowasitputsinmoreandmoresurveillance,moreandmorecontrol,moreandmorecentralizationofpower,etcetera...Ivebeensayingforyearsnowthatisnotaboutevengatheringmorepower.Itisaboutdefendingthecontrolthatsalreadythere.Becausetheyunderstand.Imean,ifIcangotoapsychicinEnglandin1990tobetoldthroughthispsychicthatthisvibrationalchangewascoming,wasgoingtocreateaspiritualrevolution...Imean,aretheIlluminatifamiliesnotgoingtoknowthatthisspiritualchange,thisvibrationalalarmclockiscoming?Ofcoursetheyareandtheyveknownaboutitforalongtime.

Andso,whatwerelookingatisa...Imean,whenyoulosethepower--fromWereincontrolandweregoingtogetmorepowertoWemustimposemoreandmorecontroltostopthishappening--theyrenotina,ifyoulike,apro-activesituationnowastheypushthisOrwellianstateon.Theyreinadefensivesituation,tryingtokeepthelidonhumanignoranceasthisvibrationalchangebringsittothesurface.BR:Yeah.DI:And,youknow,comparedwithConsciousness,thisIlluminati...Imean,theyrefliesonanelephantsback,youknow,andtheyregonna


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getremoved.Ithinkitsnotaboutwinningthegame,anditsnotaboutlosingthegame.Itsaboutrealizingthenatureofthegame,andthefactthatitsnotaboutwinningandlosing,itsjustaboutexperiencing.Andasthesepyramidsofcontrol,certainlythelowerlevelsfirst,startgettingpickedoffbythisvibrationalchange,andpeoplestarttoseethingsdifferently,youknow...AsIvebeensayingfor20years,lookatapyramid.Thecapstonestheplaceofthepower.Noitsnot.Thecapstonesuptherebecausetherestofthepyramidsholdingthebuggerupthere.Therestofthepyramidmovesaway,wheresthecapstonegonnago?Itsgonnacrashtothefloor.Theresnothingholdingitup.Weareholdingupthestructurethatisourowncontrolsystem.Iusedtotellastoryyearsago.Youllremember,Bill;LarryGrayson,acomedianintheUK.Right?BR:Yes.DI:IknewLarrytowardstheendofhislife.HeusedtodobigshowsontheBBCandIwasinvitedtohismemorialserviceatCoventGardenafterhedied.TheresanothercomedianinBritaincalledRoyHudd,andhedidthispresentationaboutLarryslife.Hetoldthisstory,andIsatthereandIfelt:Whoooo,thatissoprofoundwhenappliedtowhatweretalkingabout.

RoyHuddsaidthatLarryGraysonhadtoldhimthisstory,thatinthedaysofmusichall-typetheaterorthelastvestigesofit,Larrywasinanall-maleshowgoingaroundBritain.Andhewasthewomaninit,becauseheusedtodressupasawoman,Larry.Thefinalsceneoftheshow,orthefinalpartoftheshow,wasallthemenranonthestagedressedassailors,singingRuleBritannia.Youknow,[sings]RuleBritannia,Britanniarulesthewaves,andallthatstuff.Youknow,Britainhastoruleeverything.Anyway,soasthissongsreachingitsclimax,allthesesailorsclimboneachothersbacksandformapyramidonthestage.Right?AndthenLarryGraysoncameondressedasBritannia,withthegownandthehelmetandthesword,andwasmanhandleduptothetopofthepyramidofthesemen,youknow,thebigfinishwiththesword.

Andhesaid,onenightthingsseemedtobegoingratherwell,hesaid,untiloneofthesailorsinthebottomleft-handcornergotacough.Right?Andthecoughgotworseandworseandworseuntilhecouldntholdhisplaceinthepyramidanymore.Andhesstandingonthestageatthebottomofthepyramid,thisguy.Youknow.EthelJonesandCharlieSmith.Andintheendhecouldntholditanymorebecausethecoughgottoobad,andhehadtostepoutofthepyramid.Whathappenedwas,LarryGraysonatthetop,symbolicofthisIlluminati,endedupinthesecondrow[Billlaughs]becausethewholepyramidcollapsedbecauseonelittleguyontheleft-handbottomcornergotacough.BR:Yes.Lovely.

DI:Youknow,pyramidpower,inoneway,isallroadsfromthebaseofthepyramidleaduptothepointofthepyramid,andthatshowtheycontrol.BR:ThethingthatIwouldliketoconnectupwithhere...Itssointerestingwhatyouresayingandwepassionatelyagreewithyourthesishere.AndoneofthethingswhichIloveaboutyourworkisthatitslike,inordertocontrol,rather,onegoodwaytocontrolsomebodyistolietothem.Andtherefore,ifyourebeingliedto,andsomeoneistryingtocontrolyou,thesethingsareintimatelyconnected.


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DI:Right.BR:Andwearebeingconvincedthatthisrealityisallthatthereis,thatthesearejustanimatedhunksofmeatthatlastthreescoreyearsandten,andthenthatsourlot.Andtheneitherwerepushingupdaisiesorwegotoheavenorgotohell,whichisanothertrapandanotherlie.DI:Absolutely.BR:Andmeanwhiletheressomefascinatingthingsgoingonbehindthescenes.And,asyoumusthaveknownfromyourownresearchandyourowncontactsandyourownconversationsthatyouvegotamagicalcomponenttothecontrollers--meantintherealdefinitionofthewordmagic--blackmagicceremonies,rituals,sacrifices,allkindsofthingsthatyouandIdontwanttoknowabout.Butactuallythisispartofthetruthofthematter.Thisiswhattheydo.Theyevokedjinns.Theydostrangethings.DI:Yeah.Iwasgettinganenormousamountofstuffaboutthatinthelate90s.BR:Anditsnotpleasanttolookat,anditsreal.Andthentheresanotheraspecttothis,whichissomethingthatsbeencomingatusquitealotfromBlackProjectsinsiders,whichisnottheblackmagic,buttheblacktechnology,whichwaswellstatedbyRichardHoagland,whotoldusthathedhadaphonecallfromaninsiderwho

saidthatTheywouldratherloseanAmericancitythangiveuptheirnewphysics.Andthisnewphysics...WeweretoldbysomebodywhowemetinThailandinOctober;wevegivenhimthepseudonymofJakeSimpson.Weknowtheguyverywell.Hesaidthatthestateofblackphysicsatthemomentis...WhenIsayblackphysics,itslikesecretphysics,asinBlackOperations.DI:Yeah.BR:Thoseguysarenotallevilpeople,buttheyreontheinsideandtheyreplayingthesegameswithalltheresourcesandalltheknowledgethatisdeniedthepublicdomain.DI:Right.

BR:[Blackphysicsis]tenthousandyearsaheadofpublicsectorphysics,theysay,acceleratingawayfrompublicsectorknowledgeattherateof1000yearsayear.Icheckedthosefigureswithhim.Thatsalotofzeroes.Tenthousandyearsahead!Andhetoldus,forinstance,thatthetechnologyexiststophase-shiftsoldiers,SpecialForcessoldiers,sothattheycanwalkthroughwalls.DI:Iveheardthat,afewyearsago.BR:Youveheardthat?DI:Yeah.BR:Thats...Yeah.Itsaninterestingcorroboration.Theselittlestoriespopuphereandthereindifferentresearchers.DI:Ithinkthethingis,Bill,thatthereasonforthefastaccelerationistheresacriticalpointwhereyouunderstandreality,

andfromthatpointthepotentialjustabsolutelysoars.Whereas,becauseofthesuppressionofscienceinthepublicarena,theyrenowherenear,yet,thatlinewherethepotentialsoars.Sointhesecretprojectstheyvecrossedthatlineandthereforetheyreacceleratingaway,attherateyoutalkabout,frommainstreamscientificunderstanding.BR:Thatsexactlyright.KC:Andtheresotherdimensionalintelligenceswhohavegottentothatpoint.DI:Absolutelyright.


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KC:Itsreallyakey.AndETs--negative,youknow,service-to-selfETs,basically--thattheyreworkingwith,andcertainlybecomingawareoftheveilbehindtheveil.BecauseyoucantalkaboutConsciousnessandMindaswehavehere,butifyouwanttolayout,youknow,ifyouwanttounderstandwhatsreallygoingon,youdohavetotalkaboutETsandyouhavetotalkaboutinterdimensionalentitiesandalso...DI:Sure.KC:...entitiesthatdonthavephysicalbodies.DI:Sure.ThatswhatIwassayingearlier.Wevegottodothisonalllevelsbecauseitsoperatingonalllevels.BR:ThebestpresentationwhichIheardoftheanswertooneofthemostimportantquestions--andIcantrememberwhetheritwasyourselforJordanMaxwell,orperhapsboth,whosaid:Howcouldhumansdothethingsthattheydotootherhumansonthisplanet,astheyseemtoreallybedoing?Howcouldwebetrashingthisplanet,ourhome,inthewaythatweare,atthebehestofthecontrollers?Howcouldhumansbedoingthis?Andtheansweristhatactuallytheyrenothumanatthehighestlevel.Isthissomethingthatyousaid,orwasthatJordanMaxwell?DI:ThatsthethingthatIvebeentalkingaboutforawhilebecause,youknow,thisreality...Wekeepingtalkingaboutdifferent

levels.Thisrealityobviouslyoperatesondifferentlevels.Youvegotthewavevibrationallevel.Youvegottheelectromagneticlevel.Youvegotthevisiblelightlevel.Andyouvegotthedigitallevel.Andwhenyoutalkaboutthelevelofadvancementandpotentialthatyoumentionedearlier,itisacinchto...ifyoulookatwherethedevelopmentofArtificialIntelligenceismovingnowwithinthisStoneAgelevelofawareness,imaginewhatispossibleatthecuttingedgeofthesecretprojects,andevenbeyondthat,intherealmsofthenon-humanlevelsofthis.Theyhave,withoutquestion,theabilitytocreateArtificialIntelligencethatlookstoour...inthedecodedworld,becauseImdecodingyounow.Whatyouareisavibrationalfield.

SoifyoucancreateavibrationalfieldwithArtificialIntelligencethatisvibratingexternallyinthesameform,range,thatahumanbodyis,this...Basicallyitsabiologicalcomputerhumanbody,butwhatsanimatingitisdifferenttowhatanimatesours.ThenImgoingtodecodeyouorImgoingtodecodethisArtificialIntelligence,justliketheladyinthereddressinTheMatrixmovie.KC:Exactly.DI:Andshesgoingtolookjustlikeyouandme.Irememberbeinginthatayahuascastatein2003andthatfemalevoicesaidtome:Ifyouprogrammedacomputertoabuseachild,wouldthecomputerhaveanyemotionalconsequenceforthat,anyemotionalreaction?None.Itwouldjustdowhatitsprogrammedtodo.

AndoneofthemostblatantthingsabouttheseIlluminatibloodlinesistheyhavenoempathy.Theyhavenoabilitytoempathizewiththeconsequencesforothersoftheiractions.Thatswhytherearenolimits.Youknow,pepper-bombingBaghdad.Tous,horrific.Terrificemotionalconsequence.Tothem,nothing.Justlikeacomputer.Andtheyarelikecomputers.Andtoalargeextent,thatswhysomeofthemaresobright,youknow.MycomputeronmydeskcanworkthingsoutquickerthanIcaninsomeareas,whereitsjust,youknow,workingouttoaprogram.Ithasnowisdom.Ithasnoempathy.IthasnoheartorConsciousness,butonamentallevelitcanworkvery


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quickly.Andthesepeopleareverysharpmentally.Theresnodoubtaboutit.Someofthesepeopleareverysharpmentally.Buttheyhavenoheart,nobalancingqualitiesofConsciousness.ImconvincedtheyreArtificialIntelligence.WhenIlookatsomeonelikeKissinger,Imean,IseeanArtificialIntelligencethathasbeencreatedbyavery,veryadvancedknowledgeanditlooksjustlikeyouandmebecausethatsthewaywedecodeit,youknow.Andyouknow,again,Bill,whenyouweretalkingabouttheirritualsandwhathaveyou,whataretheritualsdoing?Itsallaboutcreatingavibrationalfield.Theyrecreatinganenergeticenvironmentthatallowstheseinterdimensionalentitiestomoveintothisdimension,atleastbriefly.Andwhattheyrealsodoingisaccessingthroughtheseritualsthevibrationallevelofreality,whichistheprimelevelofreality,whichwedecodeintothis.So,whattheyredoingononelevelwiththeserituals--whichtheyoftendoatvortexpoints,whichareverypowerfulinaffectingthevibrationalstateoftheplanet.Thecommunicationlines,likemeridianlinesthatwehaveinthebody,theplanethas.Iftheydoaritualwherealotoftheselinesmeet,thenthevibrationaleffectofthatritualisgoingoutdowntheselinesandtheyreaffectingusbecausewerebeingaffectedbythatvibrational

level,thatprimelevel.SoIvenodoubtatalltheyvegottechnology,too,thatiscreatingdisharmonywithinthevibrationallevelofthisreality,whichthenwillcreatedisharmonyhere,youknow?Andthethingisthough...IrememberthatsceneinTheMatrix-becausepeoplereadthingsindifferentways.IreadNeosjourneyasbecomingconscious.Ithinkthatsprobablywhattheymeant,butthatsthewayIreadit,verypowerfully.TherewasapointwherehesinasimulationwiththeMorpheuscharacter,andMorpheusisexplainingabouttheAgents.Now,forAgentsreadpeoplethatyouretalkingaboutthathavetheabilitytodoincrediblethingswithinthisrealitycausetheyunderstandhowitworksandtheykeepitfromthepeople.

BR:Right.DI:AndpeoplewhovewatchedTheMatrixwillrememberthescenebecausetheAgent,AgentSmith,isinfreeze-frameinthisthing,withagun.AndtheMorpheuscharactersaystoNeo:Peoplehaveemptiedentireclipsatthemandhitnothingbutair.Buttheirstrengthandtheirspeedisstillbasedonaworldbasedonrules.Andbecauseofthat,theycanneverbeasfastorasstrongasyoucanbe.BR:Right.DI:Becausewithinthisvirtualreality,therearerulestothegame.Someofthemarecalledlawsofphysicsandsuchlike.Consciousnessovercomesthoselaws,doesnotrecognizethem,isnotentrappedby

them.Soaswebecomeconscious,wemovebeyondtheboxthatthecontrollingforceisactuallyin.DuringmytalksIputtwoboxes.Onesgot,symbolically,areptilianonit.Onasmalleroneitsgothumansonit.Whattheyvedone,andthewholefoundationofhowitsbeenpossible...Becausetheyreinabox.Otherwise,theywouldntbedoingwhattheyredoing.KC:Absolutely.DI:AndiftheyreArtificialIntelligence,theyreobviouslyinaboxwithalidonthatdoesntopen.Buttheymanagetocontrolhumansocietybyputtinghumansinasmallerboxthantheyrein.


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Againwecomeback.Symbolicofthebox,theyreholdingtheballonthebottomofthetank.Aswebecomeconscious,wegobeyondtheirpotential,andthatswhattheyreterrifiedof.BR:LetmetellthestoryaboutBillBirnesandAdmiralGeorgeHoover.Idontknowifyouveheardthisone,butwedlovetotellthisoneoncamera.DI:OK.BR:BillBirnes,LosAngeles-basededitorofUFOMagazine,talkedtoAdmiralGeorgeHooverfromtheOfficeofNavalIntelligencebeforehedied,whenhewasanelderlyman.Hehadoneoftheseturn-aroundexperienceswhenhewasveryold,andhestartedtotalktoBillBirnesaboutwhatwasreallygoingon.BillBirneswantedtoknowaboutthingsliketheRoswellcrash,allofthisstuff.AndoneofthethingsthatGeorgeHoovertoldBillBirneswasthattheRoswellcrash,theVisitorsthere,theyweretimetravelers.Theywereusfromthefuture,time-travelingfuturehumans,whichweveheardfromothersourcesaswell.Themostimportantthing,though,thebiggestsecret,washowpowerfulweare,theConsciousnesswehave,theabilitythatwehave.AndBillBirneswordsfromGeorgeHooverwere:OurabilitytomanipulatetheConsciousnessaroundus.Andifwestartedtodothat,asfarasthe

controllerswereconcerned,wewouldcreatehavoc.Andthisiswhatmustnotbeknown.Itmustnotbeknownhowpowerfulweare.Becausethetime-travelingfuturehumansusedtheirConsciousnessinordertobridgethesedimensions.Whatthesedisksare,accordingtoHoover,andalsoaccordingtoPhilipCorso,whowroteTheDayafterRoswell,isthattheyaresortoflikeamplifiersandfocusingdevicesofConsciousness,andthepilotsareanintegralpartofthemachine.Andasanyquantumphysicistwilltellyou,itsConsciousnessthatactuallyhastheabilitytodeterminewhetherSchrdingerscatisaliveordead,todetermineprobabilisticquantumoutcomes,toactuallyinfluencereality.YoucantdoquantumphysicswithouttakingaccountofConsciousness.

Thereforethismeansifyouhaveaveryhighcontrol,anabilityinthatrealm,itsortofbridgesMindandConsciousness.Then,justasgreatadeptsaresaidtobeabletodo,youcanbi-locate.So,OK.Sowelldoitalltogether.Welldoitinacraft.Itllhelpus.Itllamplifyus.Andthisiswhatthecraftsare.Andthisiswhytheywerebaffledwhentheyopenedupthesethings.Theycouldntfindanengine.DI:Thatfemalevoiceintheayahuascaexperiencessaidtome:Whydoyouflyinaplanewhenyoureonlyflyingthroughyourself?BR:[laughs]Exactly.DI:Andwhatcametomindwhenyouweretalkingthere,Bill,wasthecarry-onofthatsceneinTheMatrixwithAgentSmith,wherehes

saying:Hellneverbeasstrongandfastasyoucanbe.AndthentheNeocharactersays:DoyoumeanIllbeabletododgebullets?No,Neo.Whenyoureready,youwonthaveto.Controllingyourexperience,youknow.Youdonthavetododgebullets.Youregoingtomakesureno-oneevershootsatyou.BR:Youarentinapositionwhereyouhavetododgebullets.DI:Yeah.Andyouknow,peoplehavesaidtomesomanytimesovertheyears,rightfromtheearlydays:Whyarentyoudead?Anditmay


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sound...youknow...IcanonlysaywhatIknowdeepinside:Theycant.Theycant.Theycant.Theycant.Theycant.Ifwewerecomingtodosomething,andallittookwassomeonetoshootabulletanditsallover,whatsthepoint?Theycant.WhatIwouldsayverystrongly,anditscomingmoreandmoreintomylife,thereisanx-factorwhichIdontunderstandyetbutIsureashellknowitsthere.Anditsanx-factorwhichisgoingtobringanendtothischildishplaygroundnonsenseofhumancontrol.BR:Doyoumeananexternalinfluence?DI:Theressomething.Something.Iabsolutely,atadeeplevel,Iknowit.AndwheneverIthinkaboutit,wheneverIvebeenclearaboutwhatImtalkingaboutnow,whatIseeclearlyistheplanetwithacell/prisonaroundit,andabiglock,andakeygoingin.AndIlltellyouafunnystory.Well,notafunnystory.Illtellyouastory.Iwasfeelingsostronglyaboutthisabouttwoweeksago,andimmediatelyafter,IwentontheinternetandImgoingthrough,Imlookingforapictureformytalk.Andinfrontofmewasaplanetinaprisoncell,withabiglockonit,whichsaidMasteronit,andakey.Thatx-factor,thatmasterkey,itscoming.Itscoming.Anditsnotgoingtocomelikecavalrytosaveeverything,butitisabigfactorin...Imabsolutelyconvincedthattheendofthisprisonsocietyisadonedeal.Ithinktheoutcomeisgoingtohappen.Ithinkits

meanttohappen.Werenowseeing,anditwillgoonforawhile,butwerenowseeingthelastthroesofadyingsystemwheretheIlluminatiintheirboxarebelievingtheyrecrashingthesystemtocreatesomethingelse,whenitsactuallycrashing,ultimately,foranotherreason.BR:Istherearealdanger?Becauseyouvegotacorneredtigerthatisatitsmostdangerouswhenitscornered.Isthatpossible?DI:Oh,thesepeopleintheirpanicaregoingtothrashoutinallbloodydirections.But,youknow,thatsjustpartofthistransitionfromwherewearetowhereweregoing.Andthethingis,youknow,youcanlookatthenewsandyoucanseetheconspiracymovingon.InBritainitsjustgettingridiculous.Butwhatyoudontseeonthenews,andthereforeitsnotinyour

awareness,ishowfasttheawakeningfromtheamnesicsleepismovingon.Anditsmovingondramaticallyquickly.Imnotsayingthattomorrowthesunsgonnacomeupandeverythingsgonnabefine,youknow.Weredeeplyintoatransitionalperiodhereandtheresgoingtobealotofchallenges,andthisthingsgoingtomoveonfurther.Buttheoutcome,Ithink,isadonedeal.Thisisgoingdown,andthenwecanstarttocreateanewsocietybasedonConsciousnessvaluesratherthanthelimitationsofMind.AndIwouldjustsaythis,becauseIthinkthisisimportant.Frommypointofviewitsimportant.Ithink,youknow,theresagreatdangerthatthis2012thingisgoingtobeamassive,massivediversion.BR:ItsaspiritualY2K.

DI:[laughs]ThatswhatIcallit,actually,aspiritualY2K,myself.Andme,ofallpeople,whosawapsychicin1990andwastoldavibrationalchangewascoming.I,ofallpeople,shouldbesaying:Yeah,look!2012.Thatsit.Itsmoreevidenceofvibrationalchange,thetransformation!Icannotsyncwiththatatall.WhatsslightlyconcerningisthenumberofemailsIget,andotherpeopleIknow,theirwebsitesget,ofpeoplesaying:Whatsthepointofdoinganythingcauseitsallgonnachangein2012?BR:Automatically.DI:ThatslikeObamasellinghope,whichisalwaysthehorsein


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frontonthecarousel.Nomatterhowfastyougoaround,younevergetclosertothehorseinfront.Thatswhathopedoes.Whathopeis,especiallyinthewayObamausesit,andwhat2012hasthedeeppotentialofbecoming,isaholding-position,wherepeoplewhocouldbedoingsomethingnowjustwaitaround.Again,whatis2012symbolically?Itsthecavalrycoming.BR:Exactly.DI:Hey!Hey!Thecavalryshere!Itsnotcoming.Itshere.KC:Right.DI:Thecavalryneedstogetonitshorse,incidentally,andstopwaiting

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