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Dr.PetePeterson-Part1-BillRyanInteriorUS,29June2009

[Ednote:Normallythetranscriptsthathadanypartsinthemthathadbeendifficultforthetranscriberstohearwereputin“audibles”insquarebracketsinredforBillRyantoattendto,fix,thenhe’dpostthetranscript;however,duetounexpectedinterruptionsinthenormalworkingprocessinProjectCamelot,thisnormalprocesswasnotabletoproceedforward,sotheaudibleswereleftinthesquarebrackets.]

Intro:

Dr.PETEPETERSON(PP):

...It’sanareathat’sveryhighlydefendable.Thatwasveryimportantbecauseofmybelief,andthebeliefofmanyotherpeoplethatIhavegreatrespectfor,thattheworldisgoingthrougha...I’llcallita



meltdown.

...Oncethepeoplefoundoutwhathaddonetothembytheirrepresentatives,theyfeltthatitwouldbemuchbetterfortheirhealthandsafetytobesomewhereelse.

...Myunderstanding,itwasthethird-everclosedsessionofCongress.

...Wefoundthatnomatterwherethepoliticianwasandwhatcommitteehewason,whentopsecretthingsweretalkedabout,theywantedtoclosethesessionearlysotheycouldgetoutandputtheirtipsouttothenews.Wedon’thaveanyconfidentialityinthat.Itleakedout,I’msure.

BR:AmIrightinassumingthatyouwouldn’tcontradictthoseleaks?

PP:Iwouldn’tcontradictthematall.

BR:Thankyou.

BeginningofInterview:

BILLRYAN(BR):ThisisBillRyanandKerryCassidyfromProjectCamelotandthisisMonday,Junethe29th,2009.AndthisisaProjectCamelotinterviewwithadifferencebecausenotonlyhaveIflownthebestpartof8,000miles–atleastitfeelslike,ifit'snotquitethatmany–fromEuropetobeherefortheweekend,butwearealsoherewithDavidWilcock,whohasalsoflownfromLosAngelesherefortheweekend,tojoinusinameetingthatwehadwithDr.PetePeterson,who’sanamethatnotmanypeoplewillknow,butmaybe–amongthemanyextraordinarywhistleblowersandcontactsandresearchersandscientistswhowehavehadthegreatpleasureoftalkingto–maybeoneofthemostimportant.

Yesterdayweweretalkingoff-recordforthebestpartoftwelvehoursandourmindsarestilldigestinganenormousamountofextraordinaryinformationthathesharedwithus,someofwhichisoff-record.Asmuchaspossible,Peteiswillingtoputonrecordhere,oncamera,becauseyoufeel,don'tyou,Pete,thatthereisaprofoundandimportantreasonwhythesortofpeoplewhowillbewatchingthisvideoneedtohearwhatitisthatyouhavetosay.

Wewanttosaluteyoubecauseyou'reaverybraveman.Oneofthethingswewanttoaskyoustraightoffthecuffiswhyisitthatyoufeelthatyouwantedtoputsomeofyouralmostunbelievableandvery

importanttestimoniesoncameraforalotofpeopletolistentoandwatchandunderstandatthistime?Whyisitthatyou'vecomeforwardandyou'retalkingtousnow?

Dr.PETEPETERSON(PP):Well,IthinkthemainreasonforthatisI'vehadaninsideinsightformany,manyyears,havingbeenpickedupinvariousprogramstodothingsforthegovernmentsinceIwas13yearsold.Beingaproblem-solver,IwishIcouldsaythatitwashardworkandsoforth,butIcomefromalonglineofinventorsonbothsides



ofmyfamilytree,andpeoplewhograduatedfromschoolveryearlyandweresignificantinaffectingthingsthataffectedhumanity,anumberofthem,invirtuallyeverykindoffieldandclimate.

Iseethattheworldseemstohavegonedownhill.I'mawareofmanyprogramstoremoveintelligencefrompeopleandreturnthepeople,atleastofthisnation[America],toamediocrestatus.We'vewatchedtheschoolsystemsdeteriorate.We'vewatchedthe,asmywifelikestosay,theprogramintheschoolsystemsNochildleftwithamind.(That'sherparaphraseforit.)

AndI'veseenthatthetypeofgovernmentwehave...thoughI'mapatriotandverycrudelyusethephrasethatIgottheflagtattooedonbothcheeksofmyfannythehardway.IspenttenyearsintheMarineCorpsandagreatpartofthatwasincombatandcombatzonesandotherthingsIdidforthegovernment.IliketothinkI'muniqueinthatIwasprobablyshotatonmostcontinents.

Anyway,whatIseehappeningisacompleteturnawayfromthewaythiscountrystartedoutandinitsConstitutiontowhatappearstobeheadedtowardasocialisticsystemwherereasonandlogichasno

bearing.

Itconcernsme.Ihavenoideaifmyvoicecanhelp.Ihavenoideaifthatcan,butIknowthatmyideas,Ihaveideas,Ihaveinventionsthathaveproventobeveryhelpfultosociety.Manyofthemhavebeensuppressedbythefactthatwehadagovernmentthatwasrunbyindustryratherthanbythepeople.It'sturnedawayfromthat,andmanyindustriesareactuallygovernedbyrulesandregulationsthatmakeitvirtuallyimpossibleforthemtoexistiftheydothingsthataregoodforhumanity.

Forexample,we'vehadnumerousthingsthathavehappenedintheindustryofalternativepowerthatwereveryinexpensive,verycapable.Butwhatwedoiswe've,throughtheirownlegislation,limitedthepowercompaniestobeingabletochargeacertainamountoverandabovetheircosts,sowhentheircostswentdown,theirprofitwentdownandtheycouldn'teconomicallyoperate.

BR:WhatIwouldlovetoaskyouabout,Pete,beforewegointosomeofthestoriesthatyouhavetotell–andwehavegoodreasontobelievethat,havingspentthebestpartoftwelvehoursyesterdaytalkingaboutatinyfractionofyourexperience,Ithinkthatwecouldprobablytalk,literally,fordays–whatthepeoplewatchingthisvideoarereallyconcernedabout,Ithink,iswhatcanyouhelp

themunderstandbetterthantheydoatthemomentaboutwhat'sreallyhappeningonthisplanetatthemoment?Whataretheagendasofthecontrollers?Howmuchtroubleareweinandwhatcanpeopledo?

AndIwanttoputthatquestiononholdbecausethisisthepurposeofthisvideoasfaraswe'reconcerned.

There'sawholeseparatetopic,whichisatechnologicaltopic,becausethismanwe'retalkingtonowhastoldusabouttechnology



thatwedidn'tknowexisted.MybrainisstillreelingoveraconversationthatwehadatbreakfastthismorningaboutwhichI'mgoingtosaynothing.

Now,beforewestartallofthat–andthatwasawonderfuloverviewthatyougaveaboutyourintentions–canyougiveusalittlebitofatimelineofyourcareerhistorywhichstartedwhenyouwereveryyoung?Alittlebitaboutthekindofthingsyou'vebeeninvolvedin?We'renotaskingyoutonamenames,butwejustwanttopresentyouassomebodywhopeoplecangetsomekindofanideaofwhothispersonisthatwe'retalkingtowhosenametheyhaven'theardbefore.

PP:Well,Icandothat.Averyinterestingthingweweretalkingabout...Ihavenoideawherethesethoughtscametome,butIknowthatveryearlyoninlifeIwassodifferentfromthepeoplearoundmethatIthoughtthatprobablyIfellfromtheskyinatitaniumeggandlandedinmygrandfather’sorchardandmyparentsfoundmethere.

BR:AndIthinkyou'reprobablyright,actually,havingtalkedtoyoufortwodays.

[laughter]

PP:UntilIwasabout22,Iactuallybelievedthat.

DAVIDWILCOCK(DW):[touchingPeteontheshoulderwithhisfinger]Heisreal.He'ssolid.

PP:ThenIquitbelievingthatwhenIwasinmymid-20sandinmylastfewyears–I'mnearly70–andinmylastfewyears,I'vestartedbelievingthatagain.BecauseIfindthatthepeopleI'mstuckwithhereonthislittlespaceshipEarthdon'tseemtohavethesameviewofanything.ItmaybethatI'mjustwacky,butmywackinesshasmade

alotofproductsandmadealotofsensetoanumberofpeoplethroughoutmylife.

ForsomereasonI...well,it’sprobablygenetics,becauseonbothofmyparents’sidesIhavelonglinesofgeniusesthatextendbackinhistory.Igrewupinahomethatwasentirelypoweredandheatedandcooled,inaverytemperateclimate,waspoweredbythesunandbyatmosphericpressurechange.Itwasahomethathadagalleryinsideofit,muchlikeMexicanhaciendas,butwascovered,wherewegrewallofourmeatproductsintheformofchickensandrabbitsandsuch,andwherewegrewallofourfoodproducts.

BR:Soyouhadaninterestingandunusualupbringing.

PP:Ihadaninterestingandunusualupbringing.Wedroveincarsthatmyfathermadeandinvented.Welivedinhomesthatmyfatherbuiltoutofstrangematerialsthatwereveryhighlyinsulated.Mydadwasapioneerintilt-upconcretebuildingsandwasanengineerforthemilitaryinmyyouththroughtheSecondWorldWar.



BR:Andyouwerehand-pickedandchosenforaspecialprogramwhenyouwereasyoungas13.Isthiscorrect?

PP:Yes,Idistinguishedmyselfatage10bybuildinganumberofrocketsthatheldworldaltituderecords,andbyinventingamaterialthat'susedeventodaytopowersolid-fuelrockets.ThatmaterialgotoutofmyhandsbecauseI'mnotabusinessman,andwasn'tabusinessman,andfreelygaveitawayandotherpeoplecapitalizedonit.ButIlikedexplosions,andso,earlyon,startedbuildingrockets.

BR:There'sawonderfulstorythatyoutoldusyesterdaythatwe'dlovetosayagainverybriefly.I'mgoingtobeusingthewordbrieflyinmyquestionsherewithanapology,becauseweknowthatyoucouldtalkwithus,literally,fordaysabouttheextraordinaryexperiencesyou'vehad,thethingsthatyouknow,thethingsyou'vebeentold,thethingsthatyoustronglybelievewithgoodreason.Butoneofthestoriesthatwewantedyoutotelliswhathappenedoneday,whenyouweretenyearsold,withabunchofadults,andyouhadanextraordinaryexperience.

PP:Well,I'llprefacethatjustalittlebitwiththefactthat,asIwasgrowingup,itwasinaverysmallcountrytownaboutthreeblockslongandnotalotofpeople.Myparentshadahomethathadaformalgarden,andmanyofthelocalpeoplewouldborrowthatforweddingsandfamilyreunionsandthingslikethat,whichmyparentsgladlylentthemthefacilities.Therewasaweddingthatwentonand,asIremember,itwaskindofinmaybeJuneorJulyof1950.

AtthatpointIhadverylimitededucationalresourcesinthistiny

town,butoneofthebooksthatgotmevery,veryinterestedinancientpeoplesandanthropologyandarcheologywasthebookthatwaswrittenaboutthediscoveryofKingTut'stomb.AboutthetimeIfinishedthatbook,itgotmevery,veryexcitedtolearnabouttheEgyptians,andlearnaboutthetechnologiesthattheyhad,andwhotheywereandhowtheybuiltthePyramids.Alecturercametotown,themanwhowrotethebookKon-Tiki,ThorHeyerdahl.Thenthatgotmeexcited,soIdecidedIwantedtobeananthropologist-archaeologistandwasdeadsetonitandreadingeverythingIcouldgetthroughthestatelibrarysystemonthatsubject.

Alongcamethiswedding,andjustaboutasthepreacherwastosaythe

wordsofdestructiontothebrideandgroom,someonepointeduptotheskyandsaid:What’sthat?Andeveryoneturnedaround–therewereabout130peoplethere–everyoneturnedaroundandlooked.AndforthenexttwohourseveryoneattheweddingwatchedaseriesandgroupsofwhatIcanonlycallflyingsaucersflyingthroughtheair–someascloseasmaybe100feetandsomeasfarawayas,maybe,20miles–putonaspectacularshow.Everyonetheresawit,asdidmanypeopleinthesurroundingcommunity.DW:Weretheyallthesame?



PP:No,therewereverydifferentones.Someweretheshapeofapencilandseemedtohavewindowsalongtheperiphery.Somewereroundlikeaball.Someweresaucer-shapedwithabubbleoradomeontop,somesaucer-shapedwithtwoorthreebubblesonthebottom.Ifyougobackandlookthroughthevariousflyingsaucersightingsthatwe’veheardaboutovertheyears,therewasprobablyoneortwoofeverythingwe’veeverheardabout.[laughs]Thesethingswoulddashawayclearoutofsightandcomeback.Theywouldrunawayfromthepeopleattheweddingpartydirectly,soyouwerelookingjustatonespot...

BR:Andthesignificanceofthisisthat,atthispoint,youmadeamajorlifechange.Right?

PP:AtthispointImadeamajorlifechange.IdecidedIwasmuchlessinterestedinKingTutthanIwasinhavingmyownflyingsaucer.

BR:Right.

PP:Soimmediatelystartedstudyingscience.I’vestudiedscienceever

since,muchofittowardtheendofbuildingmyownflyingsaucer.OvertheyearsIcametotheconclusionthattobuildaflyingsaucer,youreallyneededtoknowfirsthowtobuildwhatIcallaDoctorWhophonebooth.

Forthosewhodon’tknow,Dr.WhowasaBritishsciencefictionspoofthatrunsonmanystationsinAmericaabout1:00AMto2:00AM,andthere’vebeensomethinglikesixorsevendifferentDr.Who’sovertheyears,it’srunsolong.Dr.WhohadaredBritishphonebooth...

BR:Hedidn’thavearedBritishphonebooth.Hehadablackpolicephonebox.Itwasapolicephonebox.Itwasn’taredone.

PP:Ah.Okay,alright.Hehadatwo-holerBritishphoneboothandhewouldgointoitanditwouldbecomeatimemachine.

DW:ItwascalledtheTARDIS.

PP:ItwascalledtheTARDIS.SohewasaTimeLordandhewouldtravelbackandforthinbothspaceandtime.So,asItriedtofigureouthowtobuildaflyingsaucer,IfoundoutitwaseasiertobuildaTARDIS.ThenIgotthinking:Well,whowantstojustshoveanaerodynamicbodythroughairwhenyoucanjustsimplygetsomewhere

anddialyourdestinationandwalkoutwhereyouare,andyoudon’thavetopushanythingthroughtheair?

Anyway,Iworkedtowardthatendandhavedonemany,manyscienceprojects,someforlargecorporations,somefor–we’llcallthem“agencies”–andmanyofthemformyself.I’mintheprocessnow,atage69,ofbuildingalaboratorytocompletetheworkthatI’vedone,andhavingacquiredanumberofveryspecialpiecesofequipmentforresearchingsuchthings.



Sothat’swhatI’maboutrightnow.I’mintheprocessofbuildingthatlaboratoryinaremotelocationwherethereareverylittleman-mademagneticfields.Wedon’treallygettelevisionorradiodirectmuchhereandhavevery,verylittleman-madeinterference–electromagneticinterference–anditallowsmetodomyworkthatIneedtodo.Sothat’sthelifechangethathappenedwhenIwastenyearsoldandsoI’vebeenonthatpursuiteversince.

BR:Andwewouldsaybecarefulwhatyouwishforbecausenowyouhavetheunderstanding,asfarasyouhavetoldusinourconversationssofar,youhaveactuallytheunderstanding,ifyoudon’thavethefactory,toactuallybeabletomakethesemachines.YoucanalsoconfirmthatthePowersThatBeonplanetEarthactuallyhaveaccesstothistechnologyanduseitforallkindsofreasons.Isthiscorrect?

PP:AsfarasIcantell,thereareanumberofgovernmentsthathavethistechnology.Myfeelingis,and/ormyknowledgeis,thatit’sbeenacquiredfrompeoplewhocametothisplanetfromoffplanet.Andit’sbeenfromthereadingofalotofancientdocumentsdatingbackasfaras6,000years.

BR:TotheSumerians.

PP:TotheSumerians.IhaveaSumeriandocumentthat’sbeentranslatedthattellsexactlyhowtobuildaflyingsaucerandit’sadirecttranslation.Itprobablydoesn’tgiveeverything,butitcertainlygivestheprinciplesandI’veexperimentedwithanumberofthoseprinciplesandfindoutthatthingstakeplacethatinmodernphysicsaren’tpossible.

I’veworkedwithagroupofscientiststhathaverecentlydiscoveredthingsinbothmathematicsandsciencethatwouldleadmetobelievethatthegreaterpartofsciencethatwehavetoday–andIhaveaPhDdegreeinNaturalPhilosophy,whichtheyusedtocallPhysics,that

tookalotofefforttoacquire–anditleadsmetobelievethattheseancientdocumentsportrayknowledgethatwesimplydon’thave,andthattheknowledgewedohaveiswrong.

BR:Andyou’vebeenprivilegedtospendtimeintheVaticanlibrary.Isthissomethingyoucantalkaboutonrecord?

PP:Uh...probably.Well,Icantalkaboutthingsthat...Thereisalotofinformationtherethatisverycontrarytothingsthatwebelieveverydeeply,bothphilosophicallyandscientifically,andthat’sbasicallybeenheldawayfromthepublic–it’snotcommonknowledge–alotoftranslationswhich,Ithink,probablycamefromtheremnantsofwhatdidn’tburnintheGreatLibraryofAlexandria,

veryancientdocuments.

Iwasinvolved,foratime,withmachinelanguagetranslationofalotofthatmaterialwhichwas,inthosedays,somewhatcrudebutatleastitgaveussomeideas.Andtheonesthatlookedgoodwerelatertranslatedbypeoplewhohaddone,youknow,lifetimestudiesofthelanguage,andIthinkthey’reprettyfairtranslations.



BR:AreyouabletosayanythingaboutanythingthatyoulearnedabouttheAnunnaki?Oristhisoff-recordaswell?

PP:Well,theAnunnaki,whoarewrittenaboutintheChristianandJewishBibletexts...thereare...I’veseenskeletonsofwhatwecallgiants.

There’vebeenrecentgiants.Theyare,youknow,peoplethatwouldtravelaroundwithtravelingcircusesandsoforththatwerevery,verylargethroughgeneticproblemsthattheyhad;geneticerrors.Allofthemhadjointproblems;theyhadorganproblems;theydiedyoung;thebodiescouldn’tsupporttheweight,thingslikethat.

Butsomeoftheskeletonsdon’tshowthoseanomaliesthatonewouldsee.They’reverywell-formed.They’reverymuchlikeourskeletonsinmanyrespects.TheywerewrittenaboutintheBibleandtheywerewrittenaboutinotherancienttexts,soonehastobelieve...

IknowthattherewerenumeroussuggestionsthatDNAtestsberunonthemoncewegotDNAtestingprettywelldown,andIknowthosehavebeenthwartedbyvariousreligionsandvariousschoolbodies,peoplenotwantingtosaythattherearethingsthatwedon’tunderstand,or

thattheydon’tunderstandorthattheydon’twanttounderstand.

BR:ButwehumanbeingsarefromETlineage--arewenot?

PP:Mybeliefisthat...I’llgiveyouanexample.Radiocarbondatinghasbecomevery,veryaccurate.Wehaveverygoodrecordsofcavementhatdidn’thavealanguage.Somedrewpictures,somedidn’t.Wefoundcaveswiththeirtoolsinthem,withtheevidencesoftheircivilization,withtheirmakingcrudetoolsandthings.There’vebeenanumberofspotsthatthosewerefound,especiallyinAfricaandEuropeandtheMiddleEast.

Then,allofasudden,overan80-yearperiod,emergedacivilization

that,for3,000years,hadthesamelanguageandthesamereligionandthesamewritingandthesamemathematics,andwasvery,veryadvancedfromthingsthatcameafterward.And,youknow,inmodernhistorysince,oh,let’ssay300BC,wehaven’thadanycivilizationthatdidn’tchangethelanguagetowhereyoucouldn’treaditina300-yearperiod.

BR:Sure.Yeah.Now,manyoftheviewersofthisvideowillbeawareoftheinfluenceonancientSumeria,wherethisfully-developedcivilizationseemedtoappearfromnowhere.Iwasjustaskingwhetheryoucanconfirminanywaywhatalotofpeoplesuspect,whichisthat

weactuallyare,havebeen,createdorengineeredbyETs,whoknewwhattheyweredoingandwhowantedtocreateusforspecialpurposes.

PP:Well,Idon’thaveabsoluteproofofthat.That’sonereasonI’mbuildingthelaboratoryhere.ButoneofthethingsIdidnoticeinthelate‘70sandearly‘80s...Ididalotofmedicalequipmentengineering,andIdesignedamachinethatwouldreadafieldthat



surroundedthehumanbodyandcouldgiveyouaread-outontheconditionoftheorgans,organbyorgan,inthebody.Thenitcouldlocateorfind,orevencreate,amedicationthatwouldfixit.OneofthethingsthatIfoundwas,intheearlybeginning,thatthatmachinecouldprettyaccuratelycomeupwithadiagnosisrateof50percent.

Ofcourse,IwantedittobeperfectandspentanumberofyearsfindingoutthatthereasonIdidn’tgetover50percentwasbecausealotofpeoplehadgeneticerrorsintheirgeneticsystem.Asaresultofthat,theyhaddiseaseprocessesthatwerebasedonthosegeneticerrors.Soyouhadtotreatthemverydifferent--thesepeoplewhohadadiseasethatwasbasedonviriiorgerms,orother...parasitesespecially.

SoIfinallygotittowhereabout70to75percentofthediagnosesappearedcorrectandtheselectionofmedicationtreatmentappearedcorrect.ThenIthought:Well,okay.There’s25percentherethatIreallydon’tunderstand.

Itwasabout,oh,tenorfifteenyearslaterthatwegotprettyfamiliarwithandprettygoodwithgenetictesting,andIfoundthatthat15percentofpeoplehadvery,verysimilarsequencesintheDNA

thatwereunliketheother85percentofthepeople–andtheywereunlikeanythingelseonEarth.TheyappearedtobealientotheEarth.SoIthought:Well,thatwellcouldbethroughexposuretosomeformofsolarradiationorsometypeofionizingradiation.

Sowelookedatpeoplethatlivedinareasthathadnaturalradioactivecompounds,liketheareasinsouthernUtahwherealotofthecarnotiteandotheruranium-bearingoreswereminedandpeoplethatspenttimethere,peoplethatwereinfalloutzonesofnucleartestingatthenucleartestcenterinNevada...

[Ednote:avideosplicebeginshereonadifferenttopic]Wesentthe

Geminicapsuleup,anditwentup–thefirstcapsulethatwentup–sowe’reallsittinginMissionControlandcalledupandyouknow,Groundtocapsule,Groundtocapsule.Hello.Doyoureadus?

[Petemakesnoiselikemuffledradiocommunication]...comesbackandtherewasdeadsilenceandtheneverybodylaughedbecausewehadthething,thelastguythatwenttoworkhadtobetheguythatranforlunch,andrightdownthestreetfromJPL,rightabovetheRoseBowl,waslikeonethefirstJack-in-the-Boxes.Andyou’ddriveinandyou’dorder,andthey’drepeatorderbackandit’dcomeback[makesnoiselikemuffledradiocommunication]andyoucouldn’thearaword.Soeverybodyrealizedthattheseastronautshadtakentheirturngoing

andgettinglunch,andetcetera,etcetera,andeverybodylaughedandthoughttheyweresimulatingtheJack-in-the-Boxeffect.

Itturnsoutthatthatwasthebestcommunicationthatwehad,soimmediatelyChrisKraftturnstomeandsays:Peterson!Solvethisproblem.SoImadeathingthatweeventuallycalledthe“LectureLaundry”anditwasadevicethatfoundoutwhysuchthingstookplace.Andtheystilltakeplace.Youstillgotodrive-insandyoucan’tunderstandadarnthing.



ButIbuiltsomeno-noisemicrophonesthatalsohadadevicethatremovedallofthatproblem.Wefoundoutthattherearethreenarrowpassbandsforalltheinformationasspeechisrecorded.

Twoofthemrecordtheinformation.Oneofthemgivesyoutheidentificationofthespeaker.Butthatonepassbandthatgivesyouthespeakeridentificationhastohaveavariablefrequencystart–upanddrop-off.Soyouhavelittleknobonit,soyouturnitoninalecture[Ed.note:loudspeakermode]andturnthisknobuntilyoucanhearthespeakervery,veryclearly.Andyoucanhearthemperfectly.Youdon’theartheairplanesgoover,thepolicecarsgoby,peopleshufflingtheirpapers,thenoisefromthecoolingfan,thenoisefromtherearprojectionfan,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera.

Soanyway,it’soneofthelittlethingsoutofmylife.ButIusedtobuildthoseandwhenImovedtobuildmynewlaboratorynineyearsago,Iquitbuildingthose.Sothat’soneoftheproductsIintendtogetputbackintoproduction.

[Ednote:endvideosplicehere;the15%alienDNAtopicresumes.]

IcheckedtoseewhyIcouldn’tgetthefinal15percentofthediagnosticreadingscorrectandfinallycametotheconclusionthatit

wasbecausethesepeoplehadDNAthathadcomefromoffplanet.Thatledmetothink:Well,ifthat’sthecase,theremustbesomekindofhistoricalrecord.

AndwhenIwentbackandlookedatthehistoricalrecord,Ifoundoutthattherearenumerousrecordsandarchaeologicalevidencethatwewerevisitedbypeoplefromoffplanet–veryprobably,inmyopinion,notonlyoffplanetbutextraterrestrialorextra-Solar-System-typeofvisitors.

Youknow,there’ssomanydifferentpeoplethatclaimhavingseensuch

things,thattheyexisted,seensuchpeoples.Thereareseveralbroadcategoriesofsuchaliens.Afew,asmallpercentageofthose,couldbeattributedtoanythingfromparanoiatojusttalltalesorwhatever,butwhenyouhaveasmanyasthereare,allthewaydownthroughallofrecordedhistory,itleadsonetobelievethatitprobablywasvery,verytruethatsuchthingsexisted.

Asanexample,anyonewhowantstofindsomethingfromthepast,readEzekielintheBible.

BR:Inthecourseofyourwork,haveyouencounteredanydocumentationabouttheexistenceofourrelationshipwithcreatureslikethat?

PP:Ihave.MostofthemIcan’ttalkabout.

BR:Sure.

PP:Butyes,I’veseenthingswrittenbyscientiststhatIhaveveryhighrespectfor.Somewereteachersofmine.SomewerepeoplethatIworkwithscientificallyinotherfields,andtherewerecasualconversationsaboutsuchthings.That’swhyIhavethebeliefsthatIhave,thatwehaveextraterrestrialDNAinourbodies...someofus



do.

It’sratherinterestingtonotethatthere’sbeenalotofsuppositionaboutvariousprogramstoreprogrampeople’sminds,tothrowtheirthinkingoff,tocausethemtobelievethingsthataren’tnecessarilytrue,butpoliticallywouldbeaverygoodthingforthoseinpoliticsandingovernmentandinreligion.It’sinterestingtonotethatmindcontroltechniquesworkon85percentofthepeople,andthe15percentthattheydon’tworkwellonarepeoplethathavethatparticularDNAstring.

BR:Ah-ha.Okay.

PP:So,justanotherverificationthatthosepeopleareverydifferentfromtheaverageperson.

DW:Pete,I’msurewe’regoingtohavetonsofpeoplewantingtoknow,ofthis15percentDNAcategory,isitallonetypeofperson,likeonerace?Oraretheydistributedthroughoutthepopulation?Andifyoucan’ttellus,youcan’ttellus.

PP:No,theyobviouslyruninfamilytrees,alongfamilytreelinesor

familylines,butthey’reprettywelldistributedthroughoutalldifferentculturesandraces.

DW:Thankyou.IthoughtthatwasthecasebutIwantedthatonrecord.

PP:Which,again,wouldbe,tome,aconfirmationthatthatprobablydidhappenbecausewhywouldsomeonecomeandselectjustoneraceoronefamilyline?

BR:Sothere’sblackandwhiteandredand...

PP:Redandyellowandgreenandblueandwhatever.

KERRYCASSIDY(KC):HowaboutyourDNA?Areyouoneofthose?

PP:AsfarasIknow,Iam.

BR:Weprobablyallareinthisroom.[laughs]

PP:Weprobablyallareinthisroom.Matteroffact,I’vefoundthat,asthelasttenortwelveyearshaveprogressed,I’venoticedthatmanypeople,whenItalktothemaboutthingsthatIknowthatareafactinbothscience,mathematicsandinhistory,aswellasinmybeliefsystem,Italktocertainpeopleandthe85percentthatI

don’tseemtohaveamedicalproblemwith,i.e.,theonesthathave“normal”humanDNA...

BR:Don’tseemtounderstandwhatyou’retalkingabout.[laughs]

PP:WhenItalktothem,itusedtobethattheywouldcallmecrazy,oritusedtobethatthey’dbereallyinterestedandwanttolearnaboutit.But,nowadayswhenyoutalktothosepeople,whenyou’redonetalkingtheydon’tsay:That’scrazy.You’recrazy.Idon’tbelieveit.Theycomebackintoconsciousnessandstarttalkinglike



you’dneversaidaword.

KC:Absolutely.

BR:Yeah.Interesting.Sothepeoplewatchingthisvideoareprobablyamongthe15percent.They’reself-selectiveinmanyareas,thisiswhatwefind.

PP:Well,fromwhatyou’vetoldmeaboutthepeoplethatyoudealwith,Iwouldbelievethat.They’reprobablyinthat15percent.

BR:Okay.Now,there’ssomanyplaceswecangofromthisconversation,butthere’ssomethingimportantwhichIwanttograb,hereandnow,andthatis:Youmadeanallusionafewminutesagotowhenyoumovedherenineyearsagotobeinaveryquiet,secludedplacewithyourlaboratorywhichyouarebuildingtodoyourwork.Whatcanyousayaboutwhyyouarehereandwhypeoplewhoareelsewheremightonedaywishthattheywerealsohere?

PP:Well,that'ssomethingthat,inourtalksoverthelastdayorso,wehaven'treallygottenintobutI'minanareathathadtworequirementsformeandforsomeofthepeoplewhoIdovariousthings

forthatarenottobenamed.

Oneofthemisthisareaisverysecludedfromman-madeelectromagneticradiation.It'sadeepvalleywithhighmountainssurroundingitin360degrees.Theentrancetoitisthroughaverynarrowlong,windingcanyon.Sowedon'treallygetradiohere,ortelevision,directly.Thepowerthatcomesinheredoeshaveinterferenceonitaswellasithasinformationonit.Butit'svery,verysecluded,informationally.

ThentheplacethatIchosehereiskindofbackinalittlenotchinthemountains,soit’sevenmoresecluded.Thatwasonereason.

Theotherreasonisit’sanareathat’sveryhighlydefendable.Thatwasveryimportantbecauseofmybelief,andthebeliefofmanyotherpeoplethatIhavegreatrespectfor,thattheworldisgoingthrougha...I’llcallitameltdown.We’regoingthroughachange.Thealternative-thoughtradioandtelevisionshowsandmotionpicturesandbooksandmoviesareallfraughtwiththefactthatsomethingmajorisgoingtohappenin2010or2012–theendoftheMayancalendar,Earthchanges,anumberofthings.

TheYellowstonecalderaisvery,veryactive.Thereareareasupthere

wherethegroundhasrisen.Myunderstandingisit’srisenaboutfourfeet.Weallknowthatthere’sgottobemajorvolcanicactivityunderYellowstoneareabecausewecangoupthereandseethemudpotsbubblingandOldFaithfulgeyseringandsmellthesulfurcomingoutofHades.

BR:And,metaphorically,thesamethingmaybehappeningpolitically.



PP:Exactly.Thesamethinghappeningpolitically.BestIcantell,we’vebeenprintingnotonlybillions,buttrillionsofdollars,withnothingtobackthemwhatsoever.RightnowIhaveverydearfriendsinChinathatareofferingmematureT-billsandmatureUSbondsthattheycan’tseemtogetcashed,thatthey’reofferingfor10centsonthedollar.

Andtherearetrillionsofdollarsworth.Itwouldbeenoughthat,iftheworldcourtsystemwouldenforcetheireventualpayment,everyman,womanandchildintheUnitedStateswouldhavetoworkforfourorfivegenerationstopaythemoff.

BR:What’stheconnectionbetweenthatandyourbeinghere?

PP:Well,that,andmybeinghereisI’minanareathat,becauseifit’sgeographicallocation,hasfourseasonsbutithasagoodgrowingseason.TheareawhereIamexportsbothagriculturalandmeatproductinfargreateramountsthanthepeopleherewouldconsume.

Oneprybar,oronestickofdynamite,wouldshutaccess–notegressparticularly–butitcertainlywouldshutaccessoffsothatiftherewere,indeed,afailureofthecurrencyandensuingpoliticaland

certainlygeopoliticalmeltdown,thisareawouldbeveryprotectedfromlargegroupsofpeoplewithnomoneyandthereforenofoodandnoenergyandwhatever.Peoplewho’dcomelookingforfoodwouldprobablycometoanarealikethis.

BR:Isthereanythingyoucansayaboutyourbeliefofthelikelihoodoftheseeventstranspiring?

PP:I’vebeenleadtobelieveinnumerousbriefingsandpeoplethatIknowinfieldsthatverydefinitelywouldknowandsoforth,they’veallwarnedmethatIshouldbeataplacelikethis.Manypeople,even

thosefromEuropeandotherplaces,thathadveryheavyfinancialconnectionsinmajorcitiesaroundtheworldhaveclosedthoseofficesdown,andagreatnumberofthemhaveexpressedadesiretomovehereiftheyhaven’talreadymovedhere.

BR:Andyoumeanheretothisparticulararea?

PP:Heretothisparticulararea.

BR:Uh-huh.Soyoubelievethatthereissomethingveryimportanthappeningthisyearandthisoneofthereasonswhyyou’retalkingtous?

PP:That’soneofthereasonswhyI’mtalking.I’vekindof,ifyouwould,comeoutoftheclosetbecauseIthinkthatthepeoplethatIfindhave...Thepeoplenowthatare,say,27yearsoldandyounger,havegonethroughaschoolsystemthathasn’tschooledthem,hasn’ttrainedthem–obviously–becauseifyouknowanythingabouteducation,hasveryspecificallynottrainedthemandnotschooledtheminpoliticalscience,certainly,andinpoliticsandineconomics,andcertainlygeo-economics.Theyjustseem...theydon’thaveanideaofwhat’sgoneon.



Youknow,welookataPresidentthatcomplainedentirelyaboutallthemoneythatthepreviousPresidentspent,theninthefirst90daysspenttentimesasmuch.NowitwasturnedovertotheFedtospenditandtheFed,incongressionaltestimonyontelevision,said:Wedon’thaveanyideawherethatmoneywent.Wehavenoidea.Wecantellyouwheretwobillionofitwent,butwecertainlycan’ttellyouwhereseventrillionofitwent,orsixtrillionofitwent.Wedon’thaveanyidea.

And,youknow,thepeoplehavejustletthatpassby:Oh,thatmeansthatourselvesandthenextfourgenerationsofprogenyaregoingtohavetoworktheirwholelivestopaythisdebtoff.Andyetwedon’tevenhaveanyideawhereitwentorwhohasit.It’scertainlynotouttherehelpingtheeconomy.

BR:Mm-hm.Now,ifthisoccurs,wouldthisbeaworldwideproblem?Imean,likethecollapseofthedollar...

PP:Well,itisaworldwideproblem.Imean,lookbackatJamesBurke'sprogramsonConnections.Thethingofitis–thisismyopinion–buttheUnionshadtodosomethingtogettheUnionmembers

topaytheirdues,andtheonlythingtheyreallycoulddowasincreasetheirsalaries.SotheUnionshaveincreasedtheirsalariestoapointwheretheworkhashadtomoveoff-shore,becausewedon’thavepeoplethatarewillingtoworkandbeblue-collarworkersanymore.Theywanttoworkandgetwhite-collarwages.

Thewhite-collarpeoplewanttogetwhite-collarwages,ratherthanwagesthatwereconsistentwiththeirproductionso,inessence,they’vestolenfromtheblue-collarworkersandstolenfromtherestoftheworldbyloaningthemmoneyandthentakingalltheirnaturalresourcesatverylowrates.

Thishashappenedallovertheworld.Ithasn’tjusthappenedhere.

We’reseeingeconomiesbeginningtofaileverywhere.We’vebeendealingwithasystemnowfor,oh,70yearsorbetter,offiatmoney–moneythat’sbackedwithnothing.It’slikewassaidabouttheIrishwhentheymovedintoNewYorkandintoBoston:Everybodymademoneybytakingintheneighbor’swash.

BR:Sure.Inyourpersonalopinion,andifyoucanqualifythatpersonalopinion,itwouldbeuseful--whatdoyouthinkmayhappenifthere’ssometipping-pointofsocialinstabilityorfinancialinstabilitythatoccursbeforetheendofthisyear?Whatcanpeopleexpect?

PP:Well,let’stakealookattheDepressioninthelate‘20s.Peoplehadethics.Theyhadmorality.Ethicsandmoralitywereremovedfromtheschoolsystems25yearsago,andforspecificreasons.Ithadnothingtodowithreasonsofethicsormorality.Ithadtodowithpoliticalreasons.Sotheyweretakenfromtheschoolsystems.

Sointhe‘20swhenwehadaDepression,peoplewouldgoouttofarmlandandknockonthefarmer’sdoorandsay:Ma’am,IgotthreelittlekidsthatneedtoeatandI’llshovelmanure,I’lldigpotatoes,I’llhaultheweedsoutofthegarden,I’lldowhateverI



needtodotogetsomethingtofeedmykids.

Nowwhatpeoplehavebeentaughtisthatthey’reowedaliving,they’reowedtoliveliketelevisionsaysthatpeopleshouldlive.Theydon’thaveanethic;theydon’thaveamorality.

Sowhathappensis,ifwehaveafinancialcollapse,itwon’tbelikethe‘20s.It’sgoingtobeliketodayandyou’regoingtohaveanarchyandabsolutechaos.Thegovernmentknowsthat.They’verecentlyaskedtheservicemembersiftheywouldfireonciviliansiftheywereaskedto–whichisentirelyagainsttheConstitution.

WehadaSecondAmendmentandthefoundersofourcountry,inwritingaftertheConstitutionaboutwheretheSecondAmendmentcamefrom,didn’tsaythatweshouldhavetherighttokeepandbeararmssothatwecouldgogetadeerandfeedthefamily.Theyspecificallystatedwehadtherighttokeepandbeararmssothatifthegovernment,withitsmilitary,gotoutofhandandtriedtosuppresstheConstitutionandcivilians,theycouldtakecontrolback,becausethegovernmentwassupposedtolieinthehandsofthepeople.

Now,notthatIbelievethatthepeoplearesmartenoughtohandle

themselves,becausethey’renot,otherwisewewouldn’thavehadthelastseveralPresidentsthatwe’vehad.We’dhaveactuallyhadsenatorsandcongressmenthrownoutbecausetheywouldn’tdoforuswhatwasnecessary.Andthesenatorsandcongressmenhadnooptionbecausewehadsomanysplintergroupsthattheyhadtokeepsatisfied,thattheycouldn’tdowhatwasnecessaryforthepeopleastheywerechargedtodo.

BR:IsthereanythingyoucansayonrecordaboutarecentCongressionalsessionthatyouattended?

PP:Yes.Uh...Probablybetternotsaid.

BR:Okay.

PP:Justnotethattherewasthethird...myunderstanding...itwasthethird-everclosedsessionofCongress.

BR:Okay.Iunderstand.

KC:ButitisonGoogle,so...

PP:Yeah,IthinkmanythingshaveleakedoutaboutitonGoogle.Wefoundthatnomatterwherethepoliticianwasandwhatcommitteehewason,whentopsecretthingsweretalkedabout,theywantedtoclose

thesessionearly,sotheycouldgetoutandputtheirtipsouttothenews.Wedon’thaveanyconfidentialityinthat.Itleakedout,I’msure.

BR:AmIrightinassumingthatyouwouldn’tcontradictthoseleaks?

PP:Iwouldn’tcontradictthematall.

BR:Thankyou.



KC:Butweren’ttheytoldto...weren'tsomeofthemgettingoutofthecountrytorelocateinSouthAmerica?Askhimthat.

PP:That’smyunderstanding.

KC:GeorgeGreenhasgivenustestimonytothateffect.

PP:Yeah.That’smyunderstandingthatanumberofthemfeltthat,oncethepeoplefoundoutwhathadbeendonetothembytheirrepresentatives,theyfeltthatitwouldbemuchbetterfortheirhealthandsafetytobesomewhereelse.

BR:Mm-hm.Andthatkindofsaysitall.Doyouknowanything,orsuspectanything,aboutoncethefinancialsystemfails,ifitdoesso,whatwoulditbereplacedby?

PP:Well,upuntilafewdaysagoIwouldsayitwould’vebeenreplacedbyaworldcurrency.Remember,thelastfourPresidentshaveallbeenmembersoftheCouncilonForeignRelations,andhaveopenlystatedthatthey’removingtowardaOneWorldgovernmentandbelieveweshouldhaveaOneWorldgovernment.IfwehadaOneWorldgovernment,we’dprobablyhaveaOneWorldcurrency.

Anditmightevenbetheyweresmartenoughtohaveacurrencythatwasbackedbysomethingreal,likegoldorsilverorvariousmetals.I’vealwayswantedtoseeacommodity-backedcurrency,soyoucouldhaveacurrencythatwasworthsomuchcorn,orsomuchwheat,orsomuchofsomethingthatwasareal,tangiblething.

BR:Sure.Upuntilafewdaysago,yousaid.Whatchanged?

PP:Upuntilafewdaysago.Whatchangedwasmyunderstandingisnowthatthey’re...well,theNAFTAandGATTagreementsbasicallyputusintoasystemwherewehadMexico,UnitedStatesandCanadaalmostasonegovernmentwiththreeparts.

Therewasgoingtobea,youknow,it’sbeenhighlyrumoredthattherewasaprintedcurrencyavailable–picturesavailableontheInternet,etcetera,etcetera,becausethere’snothingthat’sasecretanymore–thatwouldhavecurrency,differentcolorsanddifferentsizesfordifferentdenominations,andwastobecalledsomethingliketheAmeroforNorthAmerica.

It’sbeenrumoredthatthatcurrencyisbeingdestroyednowandreplacedbyanotherU.S.currencythatisbeingprinted.Andthatwouldmakealotofsensebecausethere’ssomuch...well,themoneythat’sbeingprintedisfunnymoneybecauseit’sbackedonnothing.Butalso,there’sbeensomuchcounterfeiting,especiallyoutofIran.

SoyoucanlookatsomeofourpoliticswithIranhavingtodowithnuclearproliferation,andsomuchofithavingtodowiththefactthattheyhavegoodprintingpressesandgoodduplicatorsofpaperandink.There’sbeenatremendousamountofcurrencythatweknowhasmovedherefromIranthatiscounterfeit,andit’srampant.

BR:Yeah.ManypeoplewatchingthisvideowillbeawareofwhatDavidIckehasbeentalkingabout.Wespoketohimatlengthearlieronthis



yearandoneofthedrumsthathe'sbeenbeatingisaboutwhathefeelsisthedangerofthepopulationbeingchippedasameansofcontrol,whichisgoingtobelinkedwiththeirabilitytooperatefinanciallyatall.Canyoucommentonthatatall?

PP:Thereareanumberofthingstoleadonetobelievethattheyaregoingtobeshippingpeoplearound.Thereareanumberofplacesthatthere'snoexplanationfor,butverylargeconcentrationcampshavesprungup,oneofthemverynearwhereIliveherethat'sverylarge-sized.

Ontheotherhand,Iwasinvolved,backinthe'70s,withaverylargefoodandfeedcompanytobuildchipsthatcouldbeusedonprizecattleandbreedingcattle,forexample,andshowcattle,togeolocatethemortoidentifythem.

Thattechnologyhasnowbeenreduceddowntothingsthatcanbeinjectedthroughahypodermicneedleintothebodyandidentifypeople.ThecurrencythatIheardaboutthatwastobeaOneWorldcurrencywasbasedonbeingchipped.Thecredits,ifyouwould,wouldgoontoandoffofthatchipbyamethodsimilartoBluetooththat'susedtoday.

BR:Andthisistechnologywhichyouyourselfhavehelpeddevelop!IsthatwhatIheardyousay?

PP:Well,it'stechnologythatIdeveloped,someoftheearlythings,andit'stechnologywhich,init'ssmallerimplementation,I'musingrightnowinaproductthatI'mintheprocessofbuildingforgeolocationandanti-theftbecausethere'ssomanypeoplebeingkidnappedandsacrificedfortheirorgans,orbeingkidnappedandheldforransom–nottheleastofwhichisaroundtheMogadishuareaandintheMediterranean,butalsoeveninMexico.Atremendousnumberofpeoplearebeingkidnappedforransomthere,boththeirownpeopleand

visitors.

BR:There'saproblemtrackingcontainers.

PP:There’saproblemtrackingsea-landcontainersaswell.

BR:Whyisitimportanttotrackthesecontainers?

PP:Well,therearearound10,000containersadaycomingintothecountrythatareneverphysicallyinspected.Weknowthatweaponsofmassdestruction,thoughthisisnottotallyannounced,butweknowweaponsofmassdestructionarecomingininthosecontainers.Weknow

terroristsarecomingininthosecontainersbecauseweseetheevidenceofitafterward.

ThankGodthegovernmenthaspickedupalotofthesethingslater,butthecontainers–alotofthemareshippingcontraband.Alotofthemareshipping...Youknow,wesawthedogfoodcomeinthatwaslacedwithMelamine,becauseitwasn'tinspected.

BR:Now,wejustdidatapechangehere,andjustbeforethatlittle



interlude,DavidwasverykeentoaskPeteabouthisviewabouthowcanwetransformthesedangersignsintosomethingthatisahealthywarningtous?Whatsortsofproactive,positive-thinking,responsibleactionscanwetakewithoutjustblindfoldingourselvesandignoringwhateverrealrisksthatmightbethere?

NowthisismybridgebecauseIwantDavidtoaskhisownquestions.Thisisoneofthereasonswhyhe'sherewithus.WehaveahugerespectforDavid,hisintellect,hisperspective,hisexperience.David,thisisallyours.YouwanttotalktoPeteaboutthisveryimportantthinghere.

DW:Sure.WhatIwantedtosaywasjustthatIhaveaperspective,whichincludesdocumentingmydreamseverydayforthelast17years,followingtheirguidance,gettingaccurateinformationfromthatguidance.Yesterdaymorning,whileweweretalkingaboutallthesethings,Ihadadreaminwhichtherewasavolcaniceruption.Itlookedterrifying.Therewererocksflyingintotheairandeverybodyaroundmethoughtwewereallgoingtodie.Weranunderthesetrees,therocksfellallaroundus,butwewereallfine.Nobodywasactuallyhurtbyit.Obviouslyitwasadisaster,obviouslyithadcausedpropertydamage,butthepeoplewereokay.

That'soneofmanydifferentvarietiesofdatathatI'vegottentosuggestthat,eventhoughthingslookliketheycouldbereallyaustereandapocalyptic,thathumanitywillperseverethroughthisandthatwewillbeabletohaveapositiveoutcomeonourownfutures,andthatthisisnotasituationthat'scompletelyoutsideofourabilitytomanage.

PP:WellDavid,youhadaquestionthatyouaskedmejustbeforethebreakandIthinkwe'regoingtoagreetodisagree,butgoaheadandaskthatquestionagain,ormakethatstatementagain.

BR:Itwasaverygoodquestion.Itwasaboutpriorwarningsnot

havingcometopassandthereforewhyshouldwebeconcerned?DW:Oh,okay.Yeah,letmegiveyousomepreludetothat.Ispokewithanotherwitnesswhowasinvolvedinvariouscompartmentalizedprojects,oneinparticularwhichwasattheMontaukbase,andhehadextensivecontactwithpeopleontheinside.

OneofthethingsthathesaidwasthattheSuperdomesthatwerebuiltinallthemajorcitieswereintendedtobelargeholdingcontainersforpeopletobeherdedin.Hesaidthattherewasaplanthatthe

RodneyKingriotswouldfomentenoughsocialupheavalthattheywouldbeabletoactuallyroundupblackpeoplewhowereriotinginthecitiesandputtheminsidethesedomesandbasicallykeeptheminthereuntiltheypassedaway.

Thatwasaplanthatwasmadeanditobviouslydidnothappen.So,we'veheardfrommanyProjectCamelotwitnesses’similarplans,timelines,inwhichthePowersThatBe,whoevertheyare,sayapocalypticthingsaregoingtohappen.Thedatescome,strangethings



happen,yes,butitdoesn'tleadtoanapocalypsescenario.

So,inprivateconversationwithus,youhadmentionedthattherewereotherdatesthatcameandwentwheretheyhadsaidsomethinglikethismighthappen.Somefriendsofyoursinsidetoldyousomethinglikethatandthenitdidn'tactuallyturnintoasocialbreakdown.

PP:Yes.

DW:Okay.

PP:Ididsaythat,andsothequestionis?

DW:Well,thequestionis,intermsof...Youhadmentionedbeforethatpeoplehaveaconditioningtonotthink,andaconditioningofmindcontrol.Yousaidthatthereisadegradationinthemoralfabricofoursociety.So,Ithinkwhatwereallyneedtoknowonapersonallevelis:Whatcanwedotohelpourselvesnotbeindoctrinatedbythispassiveprogrammingthat'scomingouttous?Youmentionedversionsofmindcontrolandthingslikethat.Ithinkthat'sanimportantkeytonotgettingstuckinthistrap.

PP:ImovedherebecauseIwastoldbyvariouspeoplethatIshouldgeolocateandbeinanareathatwouldbesafewhenweeventuallygotafinancialand,therefore,apolitical,collapse.Sothere'recertainthingsthatI'vedonetomakesurethatmyselfandmyfamilyandmyfriendsaresafefromthat.

ThequestionthatDavidjustaskedisalittlebitdifferent,havingtodowiththefactthatnumerousonesofushaveheardabitapocalypticthingsinthefuture,rangingfromthefactthat,supposedlyintheyear2011or2012,wehavetheendoftheMayancalendarandwehaveanapocalypsecoming.Peoplewhoareapocalyptic

Christianssayaboutthesamething,thattheEndTimesarehereorcoming.We'veheardverydirethingsabouttheeconomicpostureoftheUnitedStatesandthewholeworld,andweseethingshappening.

WeseeIceland,forexample,declaringbankruptcy,andIhearfrompeoplethatIknowinthebankingsystemthatanumberoftheEuropeanstatesaregoingtofollowtheminbankruptcy.WhentheU.S.currencyfails...whichIcan'timaginethatitwon't,becausewe'veprintedsomuchcurrencyandputouttherethat'sbackedbynothing--it'sallbeginningtocomehomeandroost.TheT-billsandbondsarecoming

backtous,andIcan'tseewhat'sgoingtohappenthere.

Wehavethehugecollapsethatwhen,beforethecurrentPresidenttookoffice,16billiondollarswasgoingtosolvealltheproblems,andPleasegetthisbillthrough,andWecantake16billiondollarsandputitoutin.Anditbarelypassedandwegotthatthrough.

Thenitseemedlikethreeweekslaterwedidn'tknowwherethe16billiondollarswasevensupposedtogoorwhatforbecausethey



passedthebillwithoutevenknowingwhatwasgoingtohappen.That16billiondollarsdisappearedimmediately.Andnow,allofasuddenweneededsevenorninetrilliondollars,andthenweneeded20,youknow,andwedon'thaveanyideawherethatwent.

Sothethingswe'veheardinthepastabouttheregoingtobeafailure,thetimecameandleftandtherewasn'tafailure,butthismoneywaspumpedsomewhere.And,ofcourse,thesystemhadalotmoreinertiathanweanticipated.Sonowwhatwehaveissomethingthat...theactualityiscomingtoroost.IdrivearoundinthetownthatIlivenearby,thelargetownthat'sabout50milessouthofme,andIdrivearoundthereandIlookinthelittlemallsandIlookinthebigmalls.Thebigmallhasclosed.Weonlyhadonemallinthetown,andthegrosspopulation[of]nearly,well,750,000people.

Theonemallthatwehad,thepeoplethathadthemallfailedandwentbankrupt,andit'sclosed.Allthestoresthatsellnon-essentialitems–jewelrystores,bedandbathstores,etcetera–mostofthemhaveclosed.Sportinggoodsstores,mostofthemhaveclosed.

BR:Whatyou'resayingisthatwehaven'tbeenherebefore.Thisissomethingnew.

PP:Sowehaven'treallyeverbeenherebefore.Youknow,we'veheardthatthingsaregoingtohappen,thingsaregoingtofail,butlifecontinuedonasnormalandthegovernmentcontinuedtoprintmoneyandpassitouttoitsfriendsandsoforth.So,therefore,we'reinabitdifferentsetofcircumstances.Imovedherein1999becauseIwastold[that]by2001,thatthesystemwasgoingtofail.Andhereweareeightyearslater,ornineyearslater...

BR:Infact,youwereorderedtocomehere.

PP:Iwas.So,wefoundoutthatno,itdidn'tfail.I'dgoforabriefingandthey'djustbeinshock:Wedon'tunderstandit.Wedon'thaveanyideawhyithasn'tfailed.Imean,wejustdon'tknow.Theonlythingwecandoissaytherewassomuchinertia.

So,nowit'sbeginningtofail.Anditisn'tjustbeginningtofail--it'sincreasingonalogarithmicscale,andveryshortly,Iseethatitjustabouthastodothat.WhichthenbringsusbacktothefirstquestionthatDavidaskedjustbeforethebreakwas:WhatdoIseethatwecouldofferthelistenersoutthere,somethingthattheymight

do?AndIcansay:Well,inmypersonalopinion...

AndwhatI'vedone,I'veputmymoneyandmytalent,myskillsandmyabilities,wheremymouthis.I'vecomehereandI'mself-sufficient.Igrowallmyownmeat,allmyownvegetables.Ihavestoredupthosethingsthataregoingtobecriticaltosociety.I'vepickedupthetoolsthatIdidn'thavethatallowmetodothingsinsuchanenvironmentandsuchasocietytoproducethingsthataregoingtobenecessaryforpeopletohave.



BR:Andyoucanevenmakeyourownradioandprobablyfuelyourowntruck.

PP:Exactlyright.IhaveanumberofvehiclesthatInowhave--enginesthat'llburnalcohol.IhavetheequipmentandIhavetheseedsandIhavethetractor,andIhavethelandandIhavethewatertogrowmaterialthatIcanmakealcoholfromatamuchlargerratethanIneed.

BR:Now,alotofpeoplelisteningtothiswillsay:ButI'minthemiddleofabigcity.I'vegotawifeandamortgageandtwokidswhoareatschool,andIhearwhatyou'resayingbutwhatcanIdo?I'mnotinthatsituation.Whatwouldyoutellthem?

PP:Well,I'vetaughtsurvivalforbetterthan40yearsandmyparticularareaofexpertiseinsurvivalwasurbansurvival.Iwasaskedtowriteabookabouturbansurvival,andIstartedthebookout,andIcantellyouthat–wegotintothatalittlebitearlier–Icantellyouthattodaythereisn'tanysuchthingasurbansurvival.Whoknowstheirneighbors?In'29peopleknewtheirneighborsandtheyhadethicsandmorality.Nowtheethicsandmoralityhasbeentakenawayfromthechildren,andthechildrenarenowintheir20sand30s.

BR:Thecommunity'sgone.

PP:Thecommunityisgone.Wedon'thaveacommunitythatwoulddothat,andwehavepeoplethathavechildren,andnowsomeofthemhaveacouplechildren.Whatareyougoingtodowhenyourkidssay:Daddy,mytummyhurts.Ihaven'thadanythingtoeatfortwoweeks.Andyousmellthenextdoorneighboroverthere,whowasawisesquirrelandputsomethingup,andyousmellhimoutonhisbarbeque-becausehe'sgotnopowerbutcharcoal-cookingacoupleoffreeze-driedsteaks?

Youhavetoaskyourself:Whatwouldthatpersondo?

BR:Okay.Buttherearealotofpsychologicaloperationsthathavebeenputinplaceinpreparationforallofthis,andthere'smentalself-defenseormentalpreparation,emotionalpreparation,spiritualpreparation.Istheresomethingthatyoucanspeaktoaboutthat,whateverpeople'scircumstancesare?

PP:Well,Iwilldothat,butfirstIwanttosuggestthat...Takealookatjustthethingsthathavehappened.Forgetthepolitical-economicsituation.Let'stakealookatthingsthathavehappenedinthiscountryoverthelast,say,fourorfiveyears.

You'vegotthedebaclethatoccurredinNewOrleans,andthenyou'vegotthenextdebaclethatoccurredinTexasandMississippi,andyougottoseethat,no,allthosepeoplecouldn'tleavetownbecausetheygotoutonthefreewayandthefreewaywasjammed.Everybodygotstoppedandtheyranoutofgasandtherewasn'tanygas.Thepeoplethatownedtheservicestationslefttogetoutoftownalso,sotherewasn'tanythingfortheservicestations.



YoulookatNewOrleans.IknewpeoplethatweregettingwatertoNewOrleansthathadbeenordered,itwasayearuntilitgotdelivered.Therewerepeoplewhogotthousandsandthousandsoftrailer-housesthatwerestuckintheMidwestandnevergotshippeddownthere.Nobodygottousethem.Butbythetimetheygotwheretheycould'veputthemdownthere,thethingshadalreadydecayed,andtheyfoundouttheyweremadewiththewrongmaterialsandtheywereout-gassingtoxicthings...

Thatwashowwellthegovernmentwaspreparedforthat.Theysawitcomingandsawitcomingandsawitcoming–nothinghappened.ThenyoulookatthepeoplethatlivealongtheMississippiRiveranditsfeedingtributaries.They'vehadfloodsvirtuallyeveryyear.Everyyeartheyhavefloods,andtheygobackandtheyrebuildtheirhouseswithlotsofinsurancemoney,andthentheyhavefloodsthenextyear...

Theweatherischanging.Ithinkit'schangingtothecolderratherthanthewarmer,butanyway,theweatherischanging,verydefinitely.It'schangingrightherewhereIlive,tremendouslyso.Inthelastcoupleofwinters,we'vehadtwo-to-threetimesthesnowthatwehadtheprevioustenyears.Thenwe'vehadwaterfromit,major,majorwaterproblems.Wehaddroughtsforanumberofyears.Iliveneara

huge,hugereservoirthatholdsenoughwatertoirrigatethewholesouthernstateforayearortwo,andit'sbeenabsolutelydryinthebottom,hardlyatrickle.Andnowit'sclearfullandspillingover.

BR:So,insummary,you'resayingthatasascientistandasanintelligentman,assomebodywhoiswell-connectedontheinsidewithotherscientistsandotherintelligentmen,youthinkthatthere'sarealproblem.

PP:Ithinkthatthere'samajorrealproblemandIthinkthatpeoplewhodon'tseethat,anddon'trealizethat,simplyhaveputblinderson.Ithinkthatwhattheyshoulddoisthink:Youknow,maybethere's

somethingtothis.Butatleastweseethatinmajorareasofthecountrythere'vebeenproblemswherepeopleneededtohavealittlesupplyoffoodleftbecausetheycouldn'tgettoastore.

Theyneedtohavethingsthat,iftheyhavetoleavetheirhomes...LikeintheareathatI'min,andinCalifornia,especially,andinotherstates,especially.There'vebeenmajor,majorfiresthathavegoneon.Peoplehavebeenmovedoutoftheirhomes.Andwhentheylefthomeandtheycamebackandthey'recryingontelevision:Oh,everything'sgone.Everything'sgone.

Andyet,someofthosepeoplewenttosurvivallecturesthatIgave

andtheyhadcopiesoftheirdriver'slicense,copiesoftheirmarriagelicense,copiesoftheirinsurancepapers,copiesofallthethingstheyneededtohavecopiesof.Theyhadextrasofallthechildren'spicturesandextrasofthejournalsandsoforthputawayinanotherlocation.Thesearethingsthatpeoplecandotoassurecontinuityeventhoughtheremaybesomethingcoming.

California?Wehearpredictionsaboutearthquakesallthetimeandweseeearthquakesallthetime.Somearesmallandsomearelarger,butwehearthepeoplethatactuallyarepredictingthosethings



predictingverylargeearthquakes.Theydon'tknowifit'sgoingtobenextyearortheyearafter,buttheyknowit'sgoingtocome,theyknowit'sgoingtobelarge,theyknowpeoplearegoingtolosethings.Whydon'tthesepeoplehavewhat'scalledabug-outbagintheircarwheretheycouldtakeoffandleavethearea?

Thegovernmentsays:Oh,youonlyneedtohavethreedaysstorage.Butwelookatwherethegovernment'scomein,timeaftertimeaftertimeoverjustthelastfourorfiveyears,andfoundoutthegovernmentdidn'thaveanythingforthem.Theyhadtofendforthemselves.Itwasmonths,sometimes,beforetheyhadeffortcomein.

It'sveryinterestingtounderstand...WhenIteachasurvivalclass,oneofthethingsIdois,rightatthebeginningoftheclassIputavelvetbagoverpeople'shead.ThenItellthem:I'mgoingtoplaceatendollargoldpiecesomewhereintheroomandhaveyoualllookforit.Whoeverfindsitgetstokeepit.

SoIdothatandthenIsay:Okay,golookforit,andimmediatelysomeonesays:Oh,hereitis.Ihaveit.Ifoundit.Andeverybody

takestheirbagoffandsays:Wellthat'snofair!Hedidn'thaveahoodon!

AndIsay:Okay,solet'ssaythatthere'sabigearthquakeorabigemergency,andifyoudon'thaveawayofcommunicating–becausethecellphonesaregoingtobedown,theradiostationsaregoingtobedown–ifyoudon'thaveawayofcommunicatingoutsideofthose,it'slikehavingabagoveryourhead.You'renotgoingtoknowwhatroadsareblocked.You'renotgoingtoknowwhatroadshavepolicethatarenotallowingpeopletogothrough.You'renotgoingtohavegasolineinyourcar.

Ifyouhadashort-waveradiooranamateurradio,whicharevery

inexpensive,youcouldlistentotheradioamateurswhoaregoingtobeimmediatelytherebecausethat'swhatthey'resetupfor,that'swhatthey'retrainedtodo.Ifyouhadanamateurradiolicense,whichanybodycangetthesedays,it'slikeyouhadeyes.Youcanseewheretogo,wherethere'sproblems,wheretherearenotproblems,wherethereareriots,wheretherearenotriots,andcarryonandgothere.

Ifyouhadabug-outbaginyourcaryou'dhavegasandfuelandmedicalsupplies,thingstokeepyouwarm,thingstokeepyoucool,allpackedupreadytogo.Justasmallbag.So,thereareanumberof

thingsthatonecoulddotobecomeaware.

BR:There’salotthathasbeendonetodumbdownthepopulation.Howcanthisbereversed?Howcanthatbeaided?IwanttomakesurethatDavidgetsachancetoanswerhisownquestions.WhatI'mtryingtodoissupportyouinthatandIwanttogiveyouairtimehere.

DW:Thereisacompartmentofrealitythatwecantalkaboutinwhich



peopleareonthisplanetandthereareforcesthatappeartobealmostoutsidetheircontroltodoanythingaboutotherthan,asyousaid,preparationsforthesakeofsurvival.Thenwealsohaveanothercontextwhichisthatyouareapparentlydirectlyawareofextraterrestrialswhoarenotstrictlynegative.Infact,youmentionedtousbeforethatalotofthemarepositive.Weknowthey'reoutthere,weknowthey'revisitingus.

WhileIdon'tbelievethey'regoingtojustcomedownandsaveusfromproblems,thereappearstobeagreaterrealitythatweareallinvolvedin,andthatthissituation...Myunderstandingisthatthesituationswe'regoingthrougharegoingtobeinstrumentalinhelpingtopurgethenegativeinfluencesonthisplanetthathavebeenprevailingforsolong,notmakethemworse.Therewillbe,certainly,acrisistimethatwegothroughbutthat'spartofapassageintoamoreorganizedandenlightenedsociety.That'showit'sbeenexplainedbymanydifferentaccuratesources,inmyopinion,includingancientpropheciesthatspeakofthecomingofaGoldenAge.

PP:Well,oneofthethingsthatIdidinstudyingsurvivalwasIwenttonumerousplacesonthefaceoftheEarthwherethereweresurvival-typethingstakingplace,whetheritbegenocideinAfrica,whetheritbeeruptionofvolcanoes,whetheritbetornadoesandtsunamis.I'vegonetothoseplacesstudyingsurvival,andIknowonething:There'sonepersonIcanrelyonandthat'sme,andalltherestisconjecture.

Ifoundoutthatthepeoplethatsurvivedwerethepeoplethatwereprepared.Somewerepreparedmentally,andthat'sthemajorpreparationthatyoucoulddo.ButIknowthatwhenyoubelieveinotherpeople,thatmayormaynothappen,butifyoubelievein

yourselfandfollowup,itdoeshappenandyoudon'thaveanyworry.

Ifoundoutthatafewdaysorafewhours,orevenafewminutescanbethedifferencebetweenlifeanddeath.SoIwouldjustassoonspendalittletimeandalittleeffortandalittlemoney,andbeabletotakecareofmyselfandmypeople.Andifotherthingshappen,somuchthebetter;IhavethingsIcansharewithothers.

DW:Yeah,Idon'tdisputethatatall.Infact,Iamverywellpreparedforeventualitiesinmyself.Wealso,atProjectCamelot,haveinterviewedenoughdifferentwitnessesthatwearetryingtolook

atthebigpictureperspective.

Idobelievethatwehaveanintelligently-guidedplanet.Idobelievethatthethingsthathappenontheplanetarenotrandom,andIdobelievethatsocietyitselfisgoingthroughanevolutionaryprocess.Alotofthethingsthatyou'vesharedwithusalready,offtherecord,revealthattherearepotentialsofthehumanbeingmuchgreaterthanwhatwecurrentlyunderstand.



You’vealsosuggestedthereareeffortstosuppressournaturalabilitythathavebeenputinplaceandIthinkthat,while,absolutely,preparingisimportant,Ithinkanythingyoucantellusabouthowpeoplecanstrengthentheirintuitivefaculty,sothattheyhaveanabilitytogetintouchwiththatpartofthemselvesthatdoeshavetheknowledge–you'vementionedremoteviewingbefore,too.

Iftheyhavesomeway,somethingyoucansharewithus,awayinwhichpeoplecangreaterempowerthemselvestothegreaterawarenessthattheyactuallypossessandhowthatcouldhelpthemthroughthesetransitionaltimes,maybethatwouldbeimportanttohear.

PP:Well,actually,strangelyenough,wereallyagreeandIthinkwe'rebothsayingthatoneshoulddoboth,becausethenyoudon'thavetorelyonanything;youdon'thavetorelyonsomebodyelse.

That'stheproblem.What'sbeentakenoutofpeopleoverthelast20yearsisresponse-ability.Peoplehavetotakeresponsibility.

Overthemillennia,thepeoplethatwe'veconsideredmajor,majorprophets,suchastheprophetsofMohammedanism,theprophetsofChristianity,prophetsofrecordsuchasNostradamusandsoforth.Everyoneofthose,andallthereligions,havesaid:Takeresponsibilityandprepareyourself.

ThethingsthatDavid’stalkingabouttoprepareareexactlycorrect.Peopleshouldhavethoseskills.TheyshouldgooutandpracticethoseandIknowthatyourgrouphasbeensuperbinprovidingevidenceandprovidingawebsitethat'safantasticwebsitewheretheycangoandlookandfindoutpeoplethataretalkingaboutsuchthings,peoplethataresayingsuchthings.

I'mbasicallyawarriorbecausethat'skindofmypathandI'venoticedthatthereisn'tanybodyoutthereinthisworldthat'stakingcareofmeexceptme.That'snotnecessarilytruebecausetheknowledge,theintellect,theexperience,thevastexperiencethatIhavehasbeenhandedtomeonasilverplatter.It'slikeIstuckmyhandintheairtovolunteerandgotahiccupinmyrotatorcuffandmyhandjuststayedupandIendedupvolunteeringforeverything.[Kerrylaughs]EverybodythoughtIwasvolunteering,andsoIgotstuckintoanumberofdifferentthings.Butnoneofit,asIlookbackonit,wasbyaccident.

IknowthatthereareanumberofpeoplethatwerestudentsofminethatwereinNewOrleans,thatwereintheGulfareaofTexas,thatwereintheriverareasinOhioandNebraskaandsoforth,andTennessee.Iknowthatallofthem,whenthetimecame,justsimplythrewabaginthebackoftheircarandheadedoutandtheywerefine.Alltheirfamilyrecordswerepreserved,andalltheirfamilyjewelsandthings,everybodyknewwheretheywere.Theywereallinoneplace,threwtheminthecarandofftheywent.Thecarwasfullofgaswithalittletrailerwithacoupleofgascansandatent.And



theywerefine.

I'mjustsuggestingthatthatisaverywisethingtodoonadayliketoday,whethertheprophetsofdoomarecorrect,orwhetherthey'renotcorrect.Let'ssayyouputasidefivemonthsworthoffood.Well,gotakealookatthepricesinthestore,andthepricesfivemonthsago,andtellmeyouwouldn'tliketobuyfive-months-ago’sfood,ortoday'sfoodatfive-months-ago’sprices.Youknow,it'sbetterthananyinvestmentyoucould'vemade.It'sbetterthananystockIknowof.It'sevenbetterthangold.Ifadisastercomes,it'sgoingtobeworthfarmorethangoldbecauseit'llsaveyourlife,wheregoldwilljustgetyourobbed–orsilver.

Itellpeopleifyou'regoingtosavegold,forcryingoutloud,savesomesilver.Becauseifwehaveacollapse,whenitcomes,youknow,getyourselfawheelbarrowandifyoucometomyplaceandwantaloafofbreadandyou'vegotanounceofgoldthat'sworth,atthattime,$2,000,I'llswapitforaloafofbread.[laughter]Ifyou'vegotaquarter,thatbythattimeisworththreedollars–anon-numismaticsilverquarter–I'llswapitforaloafofbread.Takeyourpick.

BR:Right.

PP:So,therearethingsthatpeoplecandotodothat,andtherearethingsthattheycando.Thereareanumberofremoteviewingcoursesandmanyofthemareverygood.I’dsuggestyoudoremoteviewing.

ButIsaidbesidesremoteviewingIknowonethingthat'scertain.IcantakemylittlehamradioandIcanpickitupandIcancallonthehamradiorepeaterandIsay:What'sthetrafficlikeonRoute17goingoutthroughPalmdale?Andsomebody'sgoingtosay:Oh,allthecarsarestoppedandthey'renotlettingpeoplethrough.Orthey'regoingtosay:Oh,thetraffic'sflowingjustfine.AndIknowthat'sthedirectiontogetoutoftown.

BR:Sure.Alotofpeoplewouldwantustoaskthisquestion.It'salmostamatterofduty.Andthatis:HowmuchdoesObamaknowaboutallofthis,inyouropinion?

PP:Uh...[laughs]That'sastrangequestion.Ican'timagineanyoneacceptingthejobofPresidentwiththecurrentsituation.Ican'timaginethat.So,inthatrespect,Ihavetosayhecan'tbeveryintelligent.Ontheotherhand,he'sanintelligentman.Hecertainlyisanintelligentspeaker.Ofcourse,hewasadebateking,ifyouwould.

Iknowthatwhenhegothisfirstbriefing,becauseIhadfriendsthat

werepresent,saidthathewassoshockedthathehadtositdownwhenhefoundoutwhatreallywashappening.Thiswasbeforehetooktheoffice.Now,Ithinkthathe'sfoundhimselfinariverthat'sfloodedandheadedsouthandhe'sgotalittleboatwithnooars.

BR:Andverysteepcanyonwalls.[laughs]



PP:Andsteepcanyonwalls,andhe'sjustpaddlingwithhishandsasfastashecanpaddleandtryingtodotheverybestjobthathecan.Hehasafewreallygoodpeoplearoundhim.Ireallydon'tbelievehehasahinthowtostopwhat'shappening.Idon'tthinkhehasahinthowtostoptheflood,becauseit'sbehindhimandit'scomingon,andhe'sbeingdrivenbyitandthere'snotmuchhecando.

BR:Now,speakingabouthavinggoodpeoplewithhim,justusingthatturnofphrase,wouldyouconfirmthattherearegoodpeople,whowehaveeuphemisticallycalledtheWhiteHats,inthegovernmentandtheintelligenceandthemilitary,whothemselvesarepatriotsasyouare,andthey'retryingtodotheirbestfromtheinsidetoavertthesethings.

PP:Absolutely.Therearemanypeoplethatleftthemilitary.MostofthegoodpeopleleftduringClintonandBushbecausetheycouldn'tpledgeallegiancetothePresidentbecauseofthethingsthatwerebeingdone,somanypeopleleft.Ontheotherhand,thereweremanypeoplethatstayedbehindbecausetheyknewtheyweregoingtobeneeded.Theysacrificed,notprinciple,buttheyhadahigherknowledgeandstayedbehindsothattheycouldplytheknowledgethattheyhadwhenthetimecame.

BR:That'swheretheythoughttheywouldbemostvaluable.

PP:That'swheretheythoughttheywouldbemostvaluable,andtheywerethetruepatriotsbecausetheydidwhatwasbestforthepeopleratherthanwhatwasbestforthemselves.

BR:Andthesearethepeoplewhoarekeepingyouinformedsometimes.Isthatright?

PP:Someofthosepeoplearethepeoplethatarekeepingmeinformed.

BR:Iunderstand.

PP:Imean,it'smorethatthey'rekeepingmeinformedbecausetheycallmeforideas.I'mkindofanideamanandtheycallmeandaskme:Whatmightwedohere,andwhatmightwedothere?

BR:Becauseyou'reaboveallaproblemsolverandatechnological...

PP:I'mbasicallyaproblemsolver.

BR:Mm-hm.

DW:Doyouthinkthere'severgoingtobeaDisclosure?ThatanyofthisstuffaboutUFOsorotherracesnotbornonEarthwouldeverget

outtothepublic?

PP:It'sinteresting.I'vebeentoldthatanumberoftheapocalypsefilmsthathavecomeoutrecently,andanumberofthesciencefictionthingsthathavecomeoutrecentlyasmovieshavebeenpartiallyfundedbythegovernmentwantingtogetfamiliarinourmindstheideatheremightbepeoplethatcouldcomeandhelpus.Theremightbesome



kindofDivineprovidencethatwouldhelpaswell.I'veheard,kindofthroughthegrapevine,that...

IknowthatReaganwasaskedtodisclosesuchthings,thetruthaboutflyingsaucersandalienpeople.IknowthatJFKwasaskedthosethingsandsaidhewoulddosomething.AndIknowtherewaspressureputtobearonbothofthemtosaynothing.IknowthatthecurrentPresident...Idon’tknowthis.IhaveheardthatthecurrentPresidentwasplanningtomakesuchannouncementslaterintheyear,orlateintheyear.

KC:Areyouwillingtosaythedateandthatinformationthatyou...

PP:IknowadateIwastold,andIcantellyouthesamepeoplethattoldmethatdatetoldmethattheU.S.currencywouldfailin2001whentheyorderedmetomovehere.

BR:Okay.

PP:Sowhoknowswhat'sgoingtohappen?ButI'veheardthathisdesire...AndImaybewrong.Idon'tknow.I'vehearditthroughthegrapevine,themanhasn'ttoldmehimself.

KC:Buthe'sunderorders,isn'the?He'sjustthefrontguy.

PP:Myfeelingisthatwehaven'thadaPresidentsincerightafterGeorgeWashingtonthatwasn'tunderordersfromsomeoneelse.Ifyougobackandtakealookatit,it'sprettyobvious.

BR:Then,iftheguydoesn'tobeythoseorders,hemayfindhimselfintrouble.

PP:Hemayfindhimselfintrouble.

KC:Doyouwanttotalkaboutwho’sbehindhim,atall?

PP:Ireallydon't.

BR:Okay.

DW:Abouttheannouncement,though.Youwereworkinguptoanannouncement.Youweresayingthathemayannouncesomethingattheendoftheyear?Whatwouldthatbe?Whatdoesyourgrapevinetellyou?

PP:Mygrapevinetellsmethatheisgoingtoannouncethatthereareindeedsuchthingsasflyingsaucers,andthereisindeedtechnologytransfer,andthereisindeedbeingsbehinditthatdidn'tcomefrom

thisplanet.

KC:Howmanydifferentkinds?

PP:I...Youknow,we'regettingintospeculationherethat...

BR:Understand.

PP:Youknow,whetherthepersonthattoldmewouldknow,Ihavenoidea.WhetherthePresidentwouldknow,Ihavenoidea.Whetherwe



evenknow,Ihavenoidea.Butanumberofthem,morethan,say,threeorfour.

BR:Good.

PP:Again,ifyougobackandlookatthenumberofpeoplewhoseemtohaveseensuchpeople,yougetkindofa:Well,there'sareptiliantype,andthere'salong-facetypeandaround-facetypeandatalltypeandashorttypeand...

Itisn'tjustlikeonepersonsaidthisandonepersonsaidthat.It's50peopleintheU.S.and20peopleinGermanyand300peopleinBraziland80peopleinAfricasaythis.Thenforthenextbunchthere'smaybe40or50inRussiaand25or30inGermany.Youknow,youcan'tdiscountallofthosethingswhen,fromtotallydisparateregionsthathavenorealcommunication,andpeoplehavenorealcommunicationwitheachother,youhavepeopledoingexactdescriptionsandlargeamountsofexactdescriptions.

BR:Yeah.Andtensofthousands,ifnothundredsofthousands,reportingcontactwiththelittleguyswiththealmond-shapedeyesand

thebigheads,whomanypeoplesayareresponsibleforabductions.Doyouknowanythingaboutthatatall?

PP:AllIknowisthatI'vetalkedtoanumberofthosepeopleandmanyofthemseemtometobeverycredible.Manyofthemseemtometohavereadsomebodyelse'sreportandthentheywantedtobeinthethingandmadeitup.

BR:Areanyoftheseabductionsmilitaryoperations?

PP:Iwouldn'thaveanyidea.

BR:Youdon'tknow.Okay.

[Ednote:videosplicebeginshere.]

PP:Look,Ican'tseewhythedollardidn'tcrashin2001,absolutelycouldn'tseewhyitdidn'tcrash.Becauseitwasbackedwithnothing.Itwasinertia,inmyopinion,itwasinertiaonlythatcarriediton.Andsure,therewerealotofpeoplebehindthescenesmanipulatingvariousthings.Yousawhowtheymanipulatedbillionsandbillionsofdollarsthatdidn'teven...notonlywerebogusdollars,i.e.dollarsthatwereprintedwithnothingbehindthem,dollarsthatdidn'tevenexist!

Peoplefailtolookatthisfact.If,let'ssay–we’llusejustroundfigures–let’ssaythatthere's$1,000issued,okay?Whoissuesthedollars?TheFedissuesthedollars–totallyoutsideoftheConstitution,asfarasI'mconcerned.

TheFedissues$1,000.Theythenrentthosedollarstothebank.Whatdoesthebankdo?Thebankrentsthosedollarsouttopeoplesotheycanbyacar,ahome,whatever.Theysay:We'llrentthisouttoyouandit'llbeatfivepercentinterest.Now,whatthatmeansisthey've



takenathousand–andiftheyhave$1,000,thebanksareallowedtoloanout$17,000.Solet'ssayyouhavetenpercentintereston$17,000.Nowthat's$10,000plusanother$7,000.Wheredoesthe$7,000comefromtopayitback?Itwasn'teverissued.Itdidn'teverexist.Howcantheypaybackmorethanthereeverwas?Andpeopledon'tunderstandtheconceptoffiatmoney!

KC:Right.TherearemanyvideosonGooglethatpeoplecanwatchonthisverysubjectandgeteducated.

PP:Yeah.Absolutely!Andtheproblemisthatpeoplehavebeentaughtthatifyoujuststickyourheadinthesandanddon'tlook,itisn'tgoingtobiteyou.

BR:KeeponwatchingAmericanIdolandyou'llbeallright.

PP:KeeponwatchingAmericanIdol,andkeepongoingtothemovies,andkeepon,youknow,whatever.

DW:I'dliketosayonething.Thereisfootagethatyoucanseeofan

announcementthatRumsfeldmadeonSeptember10th,2001,aboutmoneythatwas“lost”inthemilitarybudgettothetuneof2.3trilliondollars–thedaybeforeSeptember11.Soisthatinanywayrelatedtowhatyou’retalkingaboutwiththeyear2001?

PP:Probablyis,andthereareanumberofotherthings.Let’slookatwhathappenedonSeptember11th.[laughs]Abuildingthatwasn’teveninvolvedcrashedtotheground,andinthebasementofitwasstoredamassiveamountofgold.Itwasneverfound.[laughter]Okay?Neverfound!Andwhywouldthatbuildingfalldown?Notevenashesfellonit.Itwasoutofthewindpattern.

DW:Right.

PP:Wheredidthatmoneygo,andwhydidthatbuildingfalldown?

KC:Well,doyouknowtheanswer?

PP:Well,IthinkIknowtheanswerbutIdon’tknowthatI’mconvenientwithgivingthatanswer.Because,youknow,Idon’twanttopromptsomebodytogolookforitbecauseIknowwhatIfeelthey’dfind.Ithinkwhatthey’dprobablyfindisanearlygrave.

BR:BynowpeoplewatchingthisvideowillunderstandwhyweweresokeentointroducePetetothisaudience,andwillunderstandwhatwe

weresayingwhenwereferredtotwelvehoursofoff-recordconversationyesterday,thatwehaven’tevenbeguntobottomoutevenso.

Whatwe’reabletoprovidehereisonlyaveryshortsummaryofsomeofthethingswhichPeteknows.So,withapologies,we’regoingtomoveonbecausewe’veonlygotacertainamountoftimeandacertainamountoftape,tootherareasbecausethere’sanextraordinaryamountofexperienceandinformationwhichyoumaywanttoshare.



Letme,firstofall,askyouifyou’rewillingtoshareanyofyourexperienceaboutworkingwithRussianscientists,andinwhatcapacityyoudidthat?

PP:Yes,I’dbemorethanhappytodothat...[sighs]someofit,atleast.AfterthefalloftheWall,IwenttoRussiaandworkedwithanumberoftopscientiststherethatwereinvolvedintheirspaceprogram.

BR:AndyouwenttoRussia,letmesayeuphemistically,inaprofessionalcapacity?

PP:Inaprofessionalcapacity.Icamebyinvitationandwentthere.Oneofthethingswedidwas,wetook–andI’mgoingtouseRussiaingeneralterms,meaningtheoldSovietUnion.

BR:TheU.S.S.R.

PP:IwenttovariouscountriesthatwereatonetimepartoftheU.S.S.R.

Iwasthere,forexample,whenUkrainedeclaredtheirindependence,andIknewthemanwhowasthefirstpresidentthere.Sowetookout

oftheU.S.S.R.alotoftechnologythathadbeenpentup,andbroughtback,anddonatedittothegovernmenthere.

Igottoseebrilliant,brilliant,brillianttechnologythat–someweknewabout,somewehad,andsomewedidn’thave,specificallyinmaterialsscienceandinthingsthatcouldbeusedtogeneratealternativeenergy.

Newwaysofbuildingmotors,newtypesofmaterialsforbuildingmotorsandspacecraft.Motorsandspacecraft.Newwaysofstoringelectricityincapacitorswhichwouldbeveryhandyinmakingelectric

automobiles,meaningthatyoucouldtakealltheenergythatnormallyissenttotheairasheatandbrakingandputthatenergyintoacapacitordevicewhichwouldthenbleedoffintoabatteryandrechargethebatteryofthecartoacertainextent.

BR:DidthetechnologybehindtheAuroracomefromtheRussians?

PP:No.ThattechnologywasinventedspecificallyrighthereintheUnitedStatesbyascientistthatI,inmymemory,workedforGeneralDynamicsforaperiodoftime,andprobablyworkedforRocketdyneorGeneralAtomicforaperiodoftime.Remember,GeneralAtomicwashighlydisturbedwhenLyndonJohnsonrefusedtogivethemanymoregovernmentcontractsunlessthey’dmovefromSanDiegotoTexas.

BR:Mm-hm.ButtheAurora’sbeenmoth-balledanywaybecausethat’soldtechnology,isn’tit?

PP:Well,Iwouldassumethat.Butitwasatechnologywhereyouspraygasoutthroughasurfaceandthenexplodethegas;mixitwithoxygenandexplodeit.It’slikepush-shootingapumpkinseed.Thepressure,external,wouldpushagainstitandpushitforwardatveryhighrates



ofspeed.They’reveryefficient.

BR:Okay,so...[laugh]Thatwasour60-secondsoundbyteabouttheAurora,whichisworthaninterviewinitself.ButgobacktowhatyoufeelthatwelearnedfromtheRussians,becausewehadsomefascinatingconversationsaboutthis.

PP:Well,welearnedanawfullotaboutmaterialscience.TherewasamanbythenameofI.M.Frenchovic[unclear]thatwasabelieverinquantumphysics.Sohewouldn’thireanybody–thiswasinthelate‘50sormid-50s–hewouldn’thireanybodyforhisinstitutethatdidn’tabsolutelybelieveinquantumphysics.Soalotoftheworktheydidwasbasedonquantumphysicsandwehadn’tquitedecidedwhetherthatwasrealornot.

Whetheritwasrealornot,theycameupwithalotofthingsthatwereveryinteresting.Additionally,theyweredoingalotofresearchworkinsuchareasasremoteviewingandtelekinesisandsuchthings.

Welearnedalot.Webroughtanumberofpeopleoutfromtherethattaughtusthings.

ThiswasaveryinterestingthingthathappenedintheSovietUnion.Ifyoulookattheirgovernment,it’skindofathree-branchpartysystem.Youhavethepeoplefromindustry,thepeoplefromgovernment,andthepeoplefromthepoliticalpedagogy,sothattogetthefullvoteyouhadtohavesomeonevotethatitwasn’tinviolationofStalinist-Leninistpoliticaldogma.

AlotofsciencewasdefinitelyoutsideofStalinist-Leninistpoliticaldogma,thereforethescientistswereveryfrustratedandsotherewasalotofinformationtheywerewillingtogiveoutbecausetheirgovernmenthadtoldthemitwasbaloneyanywaysowhynotgive

itaway?Theywantedtoseetheirideasandthoughtsutilized.

Secondly,therewerealotofthemthat,onewayoranother,snuckoutandcametoworkfortheWestandbroughtalotofverygoodinformation,includingalotoftheverybasicthingsthatwerehappeninginwhatwe’llcallpsychicphenomenaormentaltalents.

Itreallyisn’tthat.It’sactuallyadefinitescienceandthere’salotoftechnologythat’sbehindit.Wehearalotofstoriesaboutthatfromthegovernment,alotofpasthistorythat’s,muchofit,disinformation.We’retoldthat:Well,welearnedafewthingsfromitbutitwasn’tparticularlygood.Ithinkthatthat’sverywrong

becauseIknowit’sparticularlyverygoodandIcan’timaginethatthey’renotusingthatkindoftechnology.

Additionally,welearnedatremendousamountofthingsaboutouterspacetechnology.Welearnedalotabouttheamountofradiationthatyoufindoutsidetheionosphereandtheproblemsthatthatcauses.Wehadsomeproblemswithourearlyastronautsbecausewedidn’tknowwhatwasthere.

Noticetherewereseverallullsinourspaceprogramaswefoundout



newthings,andthengeareduptotakeintoaccountthemalevolenceofouterspace.Youknow,outofthatcamealotofconjecturethattherewaswaytoomuchradiationforustohavehadpeopleinouterspace.

OneofthethingsthatverymuchinterestedmewaswhentheMirSpaceStationwascrashing.TheywereworriedaboutthefactthatithadalittleradioactivematerialonitthatmightcauseproblemsonEarthandtheydidn’tknowexactlywhereitwasgoingtofall.

ButoneofthethingstheSovietsannounced...andoneofthethingsIdoisIlistentoshortwave,becausewhenyoulistentoshortwave,youhearaboutthesameevent,thesamepeople,thesameplace,thesametime,andacompletelydifferentstoryofwhatwentonthere.[laughter]SothepressintheUnitedStatesiseithercompletelyignorantorit’scompletelycontrolled,asfarasIcantell.

ButoneofthethingstheSovietsdidwasannouncetheweightoftheMirstation.Whenyoulookatthatweight,youfindoutitwasabout5,600shuttleloadsofmaterial.Theydidn’tlaunchthatmuch,wedidn’tlaunchthatmuch,sowhywouldtheMirweighasmuchasitdid?

Theexplanationis,whichyoucanfindoutforyourselfifyoumerelytakeasensitiveGeigercounteronaplaneflight,ishowmuchradiationisuptherejustat30,000feet.You’reallowedoneortwochestX-raysayear;yougetachestX-rayeverytwoorthreeminutesoutthere,youknow,thatwasaproblem.Ifyoulookatsomeofthesymptomsofproblemssomeoftheearlyastronautshad,you’drealizethatitprobablywasradiationpoisoning.

BR:Howdidthemassthatconstitutedallthatextrashielding...

PP:Myfeelingisthattheextramassthatwasthereonthatstationwasshielding.

BR:Howdiditgetupthere?

PP:That’saninterestingquestion.Ididn’tseeuslaunchanythingthatcould’vetakenitthere.

BR:DidtheRussianslaunchitthere?

PP:NotthatIknowof.Imean,you’veseenthe...

BR:Okay.Now,whatthatimplies,then,isthatwecouldneverhavemadeittotheMooninthewaythatithadbeenadvertisedthatwewenttotheMoonbecauseeveryonewould’vebeenfried.Isthattoo

simplisticaconclusion?

PP:Well,that’smyconclusion.Imean,Iknowonething.YoucangotolookattheMoondioramaatJetPropulsionLaboratoryandyoucanaskthequestion:WastheLanderpressurizedwithoxygen?Theysaid:No,wedidn’thaveaplaceforit.Theyhadtoweartheirspacesuits.Andhere’stheastronautstandingtherewithhisspacesuiton,andhere’sthedoortotheLanderopen,andyoucanseethatthatspacesuitwouldn’tfitthroughthatdoorwithouttheastronautinit.



[laughter]

BR:Right.

PP:SoIdidhaveabit...Youknow,there’sabitofspeculationthere.

BR:Whatwe’vebeentoldbyourwitnessHenryDeaconisthatsomeoftheApollomissionsdidactuallygototheMoon,butnotwithouthelpfromourfriends,asitwere.Canyoumakeanycommentonthat,oristhis..?

PP:Well,it’smyfeelingasascientistthat,ifwewenttotheMoon,wehadtohavehelpfromfriends.

KC:Andoff-worldfriends,you’retalkingabout?

PP:I'mtalkingabout...

BR:We’retalkingaboutfriendsinhighplaces.[laughs]

PP:...friendsinhighplaces.Fromhighplaces.

BR:Butwedohavefriendsinhighplaces,dowe?

PP:FarasIknow.

BR:Dowehaveanyenemies?

PP:FarasIknow,wedo.Imean,there’vebeenmalevolentthingshappeningallovertheworldthat...Youknow,youcan’tdenycattlemutilationandyoucan’tdenysomepersonal,orhuman,mutilation;or,certainly,biomedicalmanipulation.Imean,it’shappened.Somebodydidit,anditcouldhavebeendonefromhere.Butwhenyouexaminethat...

Youknow,LindaMoultenHowehaswrittenextensivelyandspoken

extensivelyonthesethings,andexaminedthemextensively.Igrewupwithherinthesameschoolsystemandthesametownandknowthatshewasexceedinglybright,andgotbrighterandbrighterastimewentby.Idon’tdoubtthatalotofherconclusionsarecorrectconclusions.She’ssomeonethatIwouldabsolutelytrustinthat.

Youknow,Isayifsomethinghappensinonespot,youdon’tknow.Butwhensomethinghappenstimeaftertime,yearafteryear,inalldifferentkindsoflocationswherepeopledon’tknoweachotheranddon’tcommunicatewitheachotheranddon’treadeachother’snewspapersanditdoesn’tmakethepress,itseemshighlylikelythat

thosethingshappened.

BR:Iunderstand.Now,amongmanyotherthingsyouare,letmeusetheword,anelectronicsgenius,ifImay.Areyouinpossessionofanyinformationabouttheconstitutionofimplantsthathavebeenrecoveredfromabductees?

PP:Well,I’vetalkedtopeoplewhohaveremovedwhattheyfeltwereimplants.Idealalmostdailywithnanoelectronicsand



microelectronics,andthedescriptionsandpicturesI’veseenhavenothingtodowithanynano-andmicroelectronicsthatwehavefromanyonethatIknowofhereonthisplanet.

Manyofthem,ormostofthem,arebiologicalinnature.Iknowthatonedoctorwho'sremovedanumberofwhattheyfeltwereimplants,theimplantactedlikeitwasaliveandmovedthroughthebodyawayfromthesurgeontryingtoremoveit.

Iknewthatsomeofthem,whentheyweretakenout,wereminutelydissected,andI’veseenthepicturesofthat.They’redevicesthatsignalscouldbeobtainedfromthatwereobviouslyintelligentsignals.Theywerenotrandomthings,theywerenotbiologicalthings,andyetitwasbiologicalmaterialthathadobviouslybeenengineeredforaspecificpurpose.

BR:That’sreallyincredible.

PP:I’veneverseenanythinginwritingthatwouldleadmetobelievethatwehadthatkindoftechnologyonthisplanet.

BR:Mm-hm.Whenwe’retalkingaboutfriendsorenemiesinhighplaces,

youfeelthatwasn’taparticularlyfriendlythingtodo?

PP:Ihavenoidea.Itcouldwellhavebeen.Iwouldn’tdoubtbutwhatwe’vehadthatfrombothsides.Friendsandenemies.

BR:Okay.

PP:Ithinktherearepeoplehere...TherearepeoplethatIfelthadcrucialknowledgetotheperpetrationoftheplanetthewaywe’dlikeittobe,andI’veseenthemsavedfromdisease,miraculously.Buttheyhadhadsomeincidentthattheyseemedtohaveamemoryofthatwewouldcallmaybeanabduction,ormaybeakidnappingandmanipulation.

BR:Sothey’rebeinghelpedandsupported.

PP:They’rebeinghelpedandsupported,itappears,fromsomewhere.

BR:Ourexperiencewouldsupportthat,allthetestimonywe’vereceivedfromalotofpeople.It’sjustinterestingtohearyourview.Thisissomethingwedidn’teventalkaboutyesterday.

PP:Well,Itrytolookateverythingfromascientificviewpoint;fromareallyunbiased,observationalpointofview.BeingasIgotinvolvedinquantumphysicsearly,whichissomethingthatdealsalot

withprobabilities,Itrytofiguretheprobabilitiesofthings...makeobservationsandfeeltheprobabilities:Well,whatwouldthismean?

Fromaprobabilitystandpoint,what’stheprobabilitythatitjusthappenedspontaneously?Andtheprobabilitiesareapproachingzero.

What’stheprobabilitythatwehadsomethingthatwoulddothis?Probabilitiesarezeroorverylow.



What’stheprobabilitythatitmighthavecomefromsomeoutsideintelligentsource?Theprobabilitiesareupinthe,youknow,99percentregion.[laughs]Then,afteryouseeoneafteranotherafteranotherofthese,youbegintothink,youknow,maybeI’montherighttrackhere.

BR:Yeah.Whendoesitbecomeareasonablecertainty?Yeah,right.

We’vejustmentionedthetestimonyfromourwitnessandcolleagueHenryDeaconandnowyou’vetalkedaboutyourexperienceworkingwithquantumphysics.Youtoldusabout...Sorry,letmestartthisagain.

Henrytoldusabouthisresearchworkinwhatsomepeoplecallsignalnon-locality,oractionalcommunicationatadistance.OneoftheHolyGrailsofphysicsistobuildaworkingdevicesuchthattherecanbeinstantaneouscommunicationthatcantraverselightyearsinnotime.Isthissomethingwhichyou'reabletotalkaboutatall?Doyouhaveanyopinions,experienceor..?

PP:Well,I’vedoneanumberofexperimentsandIdefinitelyhaveopinions.IcansaythatMaxwellwasright.OneofthethingsIfoundoutwas...

BR:ThisisJames...?

PP:JamesClerkMaxwell,whowrotethefirstexpositionofelectromagnetictheory.Fromalittlebitofhiswork...thewayIliketodescribehiswork,it’slikeyoutookawhitesheetofpaper.Andhetooktheendofapaintbrushanddippeditinpaintandmadesplotchesalloverthiswhitesheetofpaper.Hesaid:Here’ssomethingIsaw.Here’ssomethingIbelieve.Here’ssomethingI’veexperimentedonandsoforth.

Sonowyouhaveawhitesheetofpaperwithalotofsplotches,whichIlikentoawindowthatyoucouldpeekthroughjustafewholesinthewindow,andeachtimeyoupeekthroughyouseesomething

different.

There’salotoftheareathatwasstillwhite,thathehadn’tdoneanyexperimentsin,buttherewerealotofvariousareaswhereheactuallydidsomethingandhadexperimentsthatwererepeatableandwere,eventually,describable,ifnotexplainable.Sothenhetookonelargebunchoftheseandhewroteelectromagnetictheoryaroundthat.

Nowthatelectromagnetictheoryallowedustobuildmotorsandgenerators,electricmotors,electricgenerators,radiotransmitters,televisiontransmitters,radioandtelevisionreceivers,computers,theInternet,etcetera,etcetera,overaperiodoftime.Sothatwas

passedondownthroughalineofscientists,engineers,physicistsandsoforthandbecamethosemotorsandtelevisionsandsoforth.

Butwhathappenedtoalltheotherswatches?Manyofthemwerenever,never...theknowledgewasnevercontinued,itwasneverwrittenabout,etcetera,etcetera.So,earlyon,Iwentandreplicatedmostofthepapers,mostofthenotebooks,mostofthelettersthatwentbackandforth,andIstartedlookingatsomeoftheseotherthings.



Oneofthethingsthatgotout,thatpeopledidlookat,wasathingcalledactionatadistance,whichmeantthatsomethinghappenedinpointA,andatpointB-whichcouldbeclearacrosstheuniverse–somethingcould...informationcouldbesentfrompointAtopointBfasterthanthespeedoflight.

Anditdidn’ttravel;itliterallywentthroughsomesub-universeorparalleluniverse,fromAtoB,instantaneouslyandwithnoenergyrequired.Justnow,inCanadaandinBelgiumandinFranceandinsomeareasintheUnitedStates,there’satremendousamountofresearchbeingdoneinthat.

So,it’ssomethingthat’sbeenknownatMIT,forexample,formanyyears;but,MITknowsiftheytalkaboutit,theygottobackupandsay:Allthephysicswe’reteachingisn’texactlycorrect.So,thatreallyhasn’thappened,buttheywanttoknowthatifHarvardsayssomethingthattheycansay:We’veknownaboutitforyears.

TherewasagentlemanthatIhadmet[on]severaloccasionsthatranakindofanAnomalousResearchInstitutethatfoundthatthesethingsthatkindofviolatedthepetlawsofphysics;theycontinuedtotake

alookatthem.Buttheyknewthat,ifthatactuallyworkedandwassomethingthatcouldberepeated,thattheybetterrevisetheirthinking.Foronereasonoranother--mostlyego,politicaloreconomic--alotofthatstuffwasn’tbroughtout.

BR:Whatcanyousayaboutwhethertherewereanypracticallyfunctioningdevicesbuiltthatwereabletoutilizethistheoreticalprincipalofcommunicationoractionatadistance?

PP:Ah,probablynothing.

BR:Okay.IrememberthatHenryDeaconsaidthathehadactuallyworkedonthesedevices.Hesaidthattheworkhadbeendoneat

LivermorepriortoAlanaspects[unclear]experimentsinParisinthe’80s.

PP:Theproblemis,whenyousaidpractical.

BR:Okay.

PP:Nowhere’stheproblem.Ifyouhavesomethingthatworksthatdoesn’tuseelectromagneticradiation,youhavetodevelopawholeentirely-newtechnology.Like,howdoyoutuneit?Whenyoutunearadio,whatyou’redoingisalteringthe...

Theproblem’swithpractical.Wemayhaveapracticaltechnologyor

not.Iknowthat,onceIgetmylabbuilt,we’regoingtohaveapracticaltechnology,becauseIhavealotofworkthatI’vedoneandideasthatI’vedoneandInowneedtobuildaprototype.

It’showtotunesomethingthatdoesn’thaveatimefunction.Sohowcanyoutransmitmorethanonesignalatatime?Then,Idon’tnecessarilywanttoexposethatinformationbecause...notthatit’sgoingtobeabillion-dollarproduct,whichitwouldbe.Imean,imagineacellphonethat’llworkanywhereintheuniversewithnoenergy,orsuchlittleenergythatit’sinconsequential.OrInternet



thatworksthatway.

BR:AsHalPuthoffoncesaidtome–somebodywhoIbelieveyouonceknew–is,hesaidtome:Asthedogsaid--somanytreesandsolittletime.

PP:[laughs]Exactlyright,exactlyright.

BR:So,atthispoint,I’mgoingtothankyouverymuchfortheconversationswe’vehadbothyesterdayandtoday.We’restillontape.We’vegotsometimeleftheretoday.I’mgoingtohandovertoKerrywiththemicrophoneandcamera.Davidalsowantstoaskyousomequestionsabouthisparticularinterestsandwewanttomakesurethatwecancaptureallofthis,aswepossiblycando.So,withhugereluctance,I’mgoingtogetoutfrombehindthiscamera,becauseI’dlovetotalktoyouforhoursmore.Ihopewe’regoingtogetthisopportunitylater.AndrightnowI’mgoingtohandovertoKerry.

PP:Thankyouverymuchforyourinterest.

BR:Okay.

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