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PatrickGeryl:TheWorldCataclysmin2012Amsterdam,Holland,August2009

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Introduction:

PLEASENOTE:TheconclusionspresentedbyresearcherPatrickGerylinthisinterviewwillbefoundbymanytobeshockingandunacceptable.

WeatProjectCamelotdonotagreewithhisfinalconclusions.



Aftersomediscussionwehavedecidedtopublishtheinterviewfortworeasons:thereareissuesbroughtupwhichmeritdiscussion;andarecentdiscoveryinEgypt(theLabyrinthatHawara),whichwasextensivelyreferencedbyGeryl,isevidentlyrealandofmajorarchaeologicalsignificance.

Enjoytheinterview–andrecognizethatGerylisprobablytalkingabouttheT2catastrophe(seeDanBurischmaterial)whichweareveryconfidenthasbeenaverted.

Seeourmajorarticle:2009:ATaleofTwoTimelines…formoreinformationandreferences.

BillRyanKerryCassidyProjectCamelotAugust2009

TheInterview:

KERRYCASSIDY(KC):Hi,I’mKerryCassidy.

BILLRYAN(BR):AndI’mBillRyan.

KC:FromProjectCamelot.It’sAugust1st.

BR:Noit’snot.It’sAugustthe2nd.[laughter,chatter]

KC:Okay,I’msorry.It’sAugust2nd,2009.

BR:Yougottheyearright.

KC:We’reherewithPatrickGeryl.He’swrittenabookcalledTheWorldCataclysmin2012andit’sprettyamazing.It’svery,veryapocalyptic,Ithinkyoumightsay.Butyouuseyourowndescription.I’dloveyoutotellthepeoplewhoyouareandlet’sjuststartout

withthat,yourbackground.

PATRICKGERYL(PG):Right.I’mPatrickGerylfromBelgium.Morethan30yearsagoIwroteabook,TheNewSpace-TimeDimension,andImadeseveralpredictionsabouttheuniverse.

IfoundseveralfaultsintheTheoryofRelativityandthatwaspublishedintheBelgiumpressandIwasontheBelgianTVwiththatin1990.Ipredictedanacceleratinguniverseandthatwasfoundtruein1998,butnobodyknowsaboutthis,becauseitwasonlypublishedinDutchandnotinEnglish.

Lastyear,in2008,anotherpredictionofminewasfoundtrue.Thatwasveryfastgalaxiesnearthespeedoflight.Iwastheonlyonethatpredictedthatmorethan30yearsago.

Now,whathasthistodowith2012?Everything.BecauseIfoundthattheMayaandtheEgyptiansknewatheoryaboutastronomythatisnotknownbyastronomerstoday.ItconcernstheSunspotCycleTheory.Iwasabletodecodealargepartofthattheoryandwiththattheory,youcancalculatethereversalofthemagneticfieldoftheSun.



BR:SothishasgottodowithSolarCycle24.

PG:Yes.

BR:Right.Okay.

PG:Nowwiththattheory,theMayawereabletocalculateabigswitchinthemagneticfieldoftheSun.Also,theycountdownwiththattheorytillDecember2012,andatthatmomentintime,averylargeapocalypticSun-stormwilldestroyourcivilization.

BR:IsitintheformofwhatsomepeoplecallaCoronalMassEjection?OrwhatEdDames,forexample,callsthekill-shot?Isitthiskindofthing?

PG:Yes.Itisthatkindofthing.Thatwillhappen.Inafewhours’timetheamountofenergyfromtheSun,theoutputwillincreasetremendously.ThenabigsolarstormwithtrillionsofparticleswillbethrowntotheEarthandthatwilldestroythemagneticfieldoftheEarth.

Inshort,ashockwavefromparticlesiscomingtotheEarththatfalls

intothemagneticfieldoftheEarth.ButtheEarthhasanangle.Itisgoingwithanangleof23degreesaroundthesun.

Now,theSouthPoleislookingthiswayandtheNorthPoleislookingthatway.Thepolarityoftheshockwaveisasouthernpolarity,sowhenithitstheEarth,youhaveaSouthPolehereandaSouthPoletherethatiscoming.

Now,youhavetheinnercoreoftheEarth.It’sverysmall–it’sonly1,000kilometerswhiletheEarthis6,000kilometers–andaSouthPoleandaSouthPole,theypushawayeachother.Sotheinnercoreof

theEarthwillturnupside-down.Butifyoutakeaballandyouturnitupside-downwhileitismoving,thenyouwillseethatafterthemovementitwillstartturningtheoppositedirection.

So,whiletheinnercoreiscomingupside-down,theoutercrustoftheEarthwillstartmovingtheotherwayaround.Sonow,thistime,theEarthismovingthatway.

Atacertainmomentoftime,theinnercorestartstoturn180degrees.Now,it’sabitcomplicatedtoexplainitinashorttimebecausetheoutercrustoftheEarthwon’tgo180degrees.Thereasonis,theequatorhasabulgeandtomoveoverthatbulge,youneedan

incredibleamountofenergy.

Sowhatismyexpectation?Ifyoulookatthelandmasses,youwillseethatAfricaandEuropehavethelargestlandmassanditisdifficulttomove.OntheothersideyouhaveSouthAmericaandtheUnitedStatesintheotherdirectionthatcanmovemoreeasily.

SomyexpectationisthatthelandmassofSouthAmericaandtheUnitedStateswillmove,inoneday,3,000kilometersupwardsandontheothersideitwillmove3,000kilometersdownward.So,Canadawill



gounderthePoleandSouthAmericawillmoveequator-wardandevengooverthat,whileAfricaandEuropewon’tmovethatmuch.

Butontheotherside,youhavealsothattherotationoftheEarthreverses.Whileitnowmovesthisway,inonedayitwillmovetheotherwayaround.

Okay,whataretheeffects?Atthemomentthattheinnercorestartsturning180degreesonitshead,allbuildingsonEarthwillbeleveleddowncompletely–it’s9/11,butonaworldwidescaleinlessthanoneminute.Nothingwillremain.

Thenallvolcanoesinthewholeworldwillgooffimmediatelyandafterthat,whiletherotationoftheEarthisstopping,youwillhaveatidalwaveofmorethan1-1/2kilometersworldwidebecause...

Atthismoment,thespeedoftheEarthattheequatorisabout1,600kilometersanhourattheequator.Thatstopsanditreversestherotation.It’sadifferenceofmorethan3,000kilometersanhourinoneday.

Now,ifyouaremovingwithacarandyoustop,youarepulledforward.Theoceansatthatmomentarepulledforwardandthatisthereasonwhywehavethesetidalwaves.

KC:Okay.Now,wewanttogointothisinmoredetail.

PG:Yes.

KC:Butbeforewedo,whatIwouldlikeyoutodoistalkaboutyourbackgroundintermsof:Whatareyourdegrees?Whatisyourbackground,intermsof:Whathaveyoustudiedinordertogetyoutothisplace?

PG:Well,asexplained,whenIwasyoung,Istartedstudyingastronomyandallthesciences.I’vereadsincemorethan40yearseverythingaboutpopularandmoredetailedscience.

KC:DoyouhavePh.D.,forexample?

PG:No,Idon’thaveaPh.D.but,asIexplained,Iwastheonlyoneinthewholeworldwhopredictedanacceleratinguniverse.

BR:Whatdoesthatmean?I’mjustaskingyouabouttheterm...whenyousayaccelerating.

PG:Yes.Now...

BR:What’saccelerating?

KC:Youmeanexpanding?

PG:ThirtyyearsagotheysaidthereisaBigBangtheoryfromtheuniverse.Theysaidtherewasalongtimeago,billionsofyearsago,therewasonepointandthatexplodedandthentheysawthefastestgalaxiesatthatmomentwereabout33,000kilometerspersecond.



BR:Sotheexpansionisacceleratingalso?

PG:No,no.

BR:I’msorry.

PG:Atthattime,theysaid:Look,therewasanexplosionanditwillslowdownbecauseifyouputsomethingfromtheEarthitgoesupandthenitslowsdown–thesameprinciplefromtheuniverse.

ButIhadacompletelydifferentviewandIsaid:No,no,no,thistheoryisnotright,becausetherearefaultsintheTheoryofRelativity.

Now,toexplainthatinshort,whatfaultswerethereintheTheoryofRelativity?Youhavetwotheories–youhavetheSpecialTheoryofRelativityandyouhavetheGeneralTheoryofRelativity.

WiththeSpecialTheoryofRelativity,youcansaythatifyouaccelerateamasstothespeedoflightthatthemasswillgrowtoinfinity.Ontheotherside,youhavetheGeneralTheoryofRelativity,thenyoucancalculategravitation,gravity.

Now,thetwodon’tcomparewitheachother.IfyouaccelerateourSuntothespeedoflightthenitwillhave,accordingtotheSpecialRelativityTheory,aninfinitemass.Butyoucan’tcalculatethatthegravitationwillbethenalsoinfinite.It’simpossible.

BR:Iunderstand.

PG:Sothat’safaultintheTheoriesofRelativity.Soyoumustfindatheorythatexplainsthatifyouaccelerateasunoraplanettothespeedoflightthatthemassgrows,thatalsothegravitationgrows.

Myideawas–andIspeakfrom40yearsago,Iwasveryyoung–ifyouhaveauniverse...Nowlet’simaginethatthereare,onthefrontieroftheuniverse,galaxies,nearthespeedoflight,thenthereshouldbeaninfinitemassherewhilewearewithourGalaxyhere.

Now,ifthereisaninfinitemasshere,thenthisinfinitemassshouldpullattheinnergalaxiesofouruniverseandtheyshouldbeacceleratedtothatmass.Thatwasmytheory.

Therewereseveralthings,morethanfivepredictions,basedonthat.Sotheyshouldfindgalaxiesnearthespeedoflight,andthentheyshouldfindanacceleratinguniverse.Theyhavefoundthat.

Thenthegalaxiesthatarenearthespeedoflightshouldbeveryold.AccordingtotheBigBangtheory,theyshouldbeveryyoung.Sothatistheopposite.

So,youunderstand?

BR/KC:Yes.



PG:It’sabitcomplicatedandthatiswhyIwastheonlyonewhoeverpredictedthatanditwascompletelythereversefromwhattheotherswerepredicting.

KC:Iunderstand.Butwheredidyougetthisideafrom?Inotherwords,didyoustudytobeanastronomer?

PG:I’vereadsince40yearsalmostallarticlesthatwerepublishedaboutastronomy.

KC:Okay.Doyouhaveadegreeofanykindfromauniversity?

PG:No,Idon’thaveadegreeofanykind,butEinsteindidn’thavealso.[Billlaughs]

KC:Iunderstand.Sowereyou,bytrade,wereyouanastronomer?Wereyouascientist?

PG:No,I’mjustaresearcher.I’maresearcher.

KC:Okay.Now,thisidea,didyougetthisidea...didyoumeditate?Didyoudoresearchandyouadded,youknow,thisthingandthatthingtoreachthisconclusion?Ordidyouhaveaninspiration?

PG:Letussay:onepercentinspirationand99percenttranspiration.[Kerrylaughs]

KC:Okay.Yeah.Perspiration,wesayinAmerica,perhaps.

PG:Perspiration.Okay.

KC:Okay.Soyouhavethistheoryandit’sbeenprovenright40yearslater.

PG:Yes.

KC:HowdoesthisrelatetotheresearchyoudidontheMayanandothercivilizations?Inotherwords,areyousayingthatthishashappenedbefore?

PG:Yes.Ithappensevery11,500years.

Now,youhaveIceAges.DidyouseethemovieIceAge?Now,beforethemoviestarts,youseethattheUnitedStatesisundertheiceandthenitisice-free,andthenagainit’sundertheice,andthenagainit’sice-free.Andnobodyknowswhy.

Now,ifyoutakewhatIhaveexplained,thatinonedayUnitedStatesandCanadawillmoveafewthousandskilometersupward,underthePole,thenyouhaveanIceAge.

Andthat’stheexplanationofIceAges.Ifyoumoveveryfast,thenalsoitexplainswhythereweremammothsfoundwiththefoodstillundigestedintheirmouthbecauseinafewhourstheyfrozetodeath.

KC:Soyou’resayingaPoleshiftisresponsiblefortheIceAges.



PG:APole-shiftisresponsiblefortheIceAges.

KC:Okay.AreyouthenalsosayingthattheSunisresponsibleforthePole-shift?

PG:Yes.TheSunisresponsible.

KC:Ineverycaseinthepast?

PG:Everycaseinthepast.

KC:Andareyoufindingrecordsthat,youknow,thatbackthisideaup?Inotherwords,recordsinicecores?

PG:No,theIceAgesareknown.Askeveryscientistthatknowsaboutitandhewillsay:Yes,therearerecurringIceAgesintheUnitedStatesandinEuropebecauseatthemomentthatthePolesshift...

WhyisitwarminEurope?WearenowhereinHolland.Now,ifyoulookatthesame...[searchesforword]...isitlatitudelikeHolland?

BR:Latitude,yes.

PG:Latitude.Now,youseeatthesamelatitudeinCanada,thereisiceaccumulated.Whyisitwarmhere?BecauseoftheGulfStream.That’sthereasonwhyitiswarmhere.Now,iftheGulfStreamstopped,thenyouhavealsoanIceAgeatthesamemomentinEurope.

KC:Okay.Whatabouttheprecessionoftheequinoxes?Areyoualsorelatingtothat?

PG:Yes,yes,yes.BecauseIfoundintheBookoftheDeadoftheEgyptiansthat,atthatmomentthatthereisPole-shift,theprecessionoftheequinoxesischangedcompletely.

NowwearesayingwearegoingtotheAgeofAquarius.Wewillneverreachit.Wecanendattheendof2012inacompletelyotherage,inLionorCapricorn,orIdon’tknow.Idon’tknow.

Yes,wewillbecatapultedinonewaybecausetherotationoftheEarthisnowthiswayanditwillgotheotherwayaround.

KC:Soyou’rebasicallysaying...

PG:Wewillloseourlatitudeandlongitude.Wehavetomakecompletelynewmapsoftheworld.Itwillbeimpossibleifyouareintheoceantofindwhereyouare.

BR:Ihaveaquestionhere,Patrick,andthatisthatthescenariothatyoudescribedrightatthestartwhenyouintroducedyourself...it’svery,veryspecific,withspecificmeasurements...youknow,the3,000-kilometershift,allofthis.Buthowdidyoudecodethisfromtherelativelysmallamountofinformationthatyouhaveavailable?PG:Becauseithappenedinthepast.YouhavetolookattheIceAges,wheretheicecameinthepast,andthenyoucanseethatwhatIampredictinghasbetween80%to90%chanceofhappening.Thereisalso10%to20%chancethatAfricaandEuropewillmoveforward,butthat



islesslikely.

BR:Butwhat’stheconnectionbetweenthatandthedatathatyougetfromtheMayans?Becausetherewillbepeoplewatchingthiswhojustsay:Well,okay,theMayanshadthiscalendaranditseemstoend,oratleastpartofitseemstoend,beforetheygointothenextlargercycle.Howdoyougetallofyourinformationfromthat?

PG:Now,it’snotonlytheMayabecauseIfoundthemostimportantthingsinEgypt.TherewasaFrenchman,AlbertSlosman,andhetranslatedmorethan30yearsagoastoryofahighcivilizationthatwasdestroyedbyaPole-shift.

Now,inthatstorywasalsotranslatedthattheycalculatedthelastPole-shiftandthattheywereabletoescapewithunsinkableboats;thattheyreachedafterafewdaysthecoastofMorocco,andthattheywenttoEgyptafterthousandsandthousandsofyears.

BR:ThisistheAtlantiscatastrophe.

PG:ThatistheAtlantisstory.Nowthewriter,AlbertSlosman,wrotetwelvebooksinFrenchaboutthat,andjustpriortothepublicationinEnglish,hehadanaccidentanddied.Sotheywereneverpublished

inEnglishandnobodyknowsaboutit.IonlyknowaboutitbecauseI’vereadthebooksinFrench.

BR:Andthey’veneverbeentranslated?

PG:They’veneverbeentranslatedinEnglish.

BR:Okay.

PG:Now,AlbertSlosman,hesaid:Look,nobodywillbelievethis,butthereisproofinEgypt.Ilooked:ProofinEgypt?Hesaid:Yes.ThereisinEgyptabuildingcalledtheLabyrinthandthatbuildingwas

describedbyHerodotus.Herodotuswasanancienthistorian.

BR:WhereistheLabyrinth,Patrick?

PG:Onemoment.

BR:I’msorry.

PG:SoHerodotusvisitedtheLabyrinth2,500yearsagoandhewroteaboutthat...becauseIboughtthebookofHerodotus.It’s700pagesthick.

Hesaid:Look,hesaid,I’veseenthePyramids.Veryimpressive,he

said.But,hesaid,IamnowintheLabyrinthandI’mwalkinghereforhoursandhours.ThisisthemostamazingthingIhaveeverseeninmywholelife.Itconsistsof3,000roomsintwostoriesandIamonlyallowedfromtheEgyptianstovisitone,theupperlevel,andnottheunderlevelbecausethesecretsofEgyptarethere.

So,afterreadingthat,IknewwhereIhadtobe.Now,wherewastheLabyrinth?Thatwasaproblembecausenobody[had]everfoundit.



BR:Hm.Herodotuswasagoodhistorian,wasn’the?

PG:Yes.Verygood,becausethelastyearshehaddescribedseveralthingsfromSaqqaraandtheywerefound.

BR:Exactly.

PG:Now,theEgyptiansweresaying:Aw,Herodotus,notsogood;hewasaliar.Ispeakfrommorethantenyearsago.SotheLabyrinthisexaggerated.

Itwasn’texaggerated.Wefounditlastyear.Nobodyknowsatthemoment.It’snowAugust,butinNovember2009,itwillbeonanNBCspecialfrom2012.

BR:Yousaywefoundit.Thiswasyouandateamofpeople?Youfoundit?

PG:Afriendofmine--LouisdeCordierandme--wewenttoEgyptinDecember2007,becauseIhadconnectionsafteryearsofyearsworkingwiththeEgyptians.Wewantedtoscanwithageo-radartheLabyrinth.SoitwasonlyasponsorthatIneededandLouisdeCordierisan

artistandhesellsthingsforthat.HemadeaSungoldendiskandhesoldthattopayforthescanningoftheLabyrinth.

BR:Wherewereyoulookingforit?

KC:YourtheorywasactuallythatitwassomewhereatthefootoftheSphinx?

PG:No,no,no,no,no;absolutelynot.Wedidn’tknowwhereitwas,soIaskedmyfriendatthattime,GinoRatinckx.Hewasanarcheoastronomer–hehadadegreeinarchaeologyandinastronomy–andIaskedhim:DoyouknowwheretheLabyrinthcouldbe?

Iwillthinkaboutit,andtwoweekslaterhecalledmeandhesaid:Look,Ifoundaclue.

AndIsaid:Why?

Hesaid:Look,ifwetakealabyrinthofstarsintheskyandweprojectittotheEarth,thenthatwouldbetheplaceoftheLabyrinth.

AndIsaid:Hey,that’sgoodthinking.

Andhesaid:Well,itlookstomeitshouldbeinHawara.

BR:Inwhere?

PG:InHawara.That’sabout100kilometersfromthePyramids.

BR:Hawara.Okay.

PG:SoIsaid:Okay.Thatmakessense.

Sowevisitedafewmonthslater[in]Egyptandhefoundaconnectionbetweenseveraltemples–liketheTempleofDendera–thatshouldbe



thestarDeneb.AndwhenwevisitedEgypt,weaskedthem,thebossfromthetemple:Isitconnectedtoastar,orsomething?

Yes,hesaid,it’sconnectedtothestarDeneb.

AndGino’s:Look,yourtheoryisright.Thenwefoundseveralotherconnectionsandthen,ofcourse,theconclusionwastheLabyrinthshouldbeinHawara.

Okay?SowewenttoHawaraandIalreadyknewthatthearchaeologiststalkedatthatmomentthattheLabyrinthalsoshouldbeatHawara,buttheywerethinkingthatitwastotallydestroyedandnothingremainedofit.Okay,thatwasthetheoryin1997.

SoinDecember2007,Iwaswithmyfriend,LouisdeCordier,inEgyptandsixweekslater,theEgyptianswerescanningtheLabyrinth.TheytookamonthtoscantheLabyrinthandwehavewhattheyfoundathome,theresults,andindeed,theLabyrinthisthere.Itis300meterslarge,250meterswide,and20metershigh.

KC:Sotheyfounditunderground?Ordidtheyfindsomethingonthesurface?

PG:No,it’s

underwater.Theproblemis,200yearsagotheyneededwaterandtheytookaside-riveroftheNileoverit.NowtheEgyptiansareputtingpumpsandothermaterialtheretopumpthewaterout,andalsothattheside-riveroftheNile,orside-stream,thatisgoingovertheLabyrinthisputin...howdoyoucallthat?...thatitwillgointopipes.

KC:Oh,Isee.

PG:Yeah.

BR:SotheLabyrinthitselfisunderwater.

PG:It’sunderwater.

KC:Howdidtheydiscoveranysignofitifit’sunderwater?Didyousenddiversdown?

PG:No,no,no,no.Youcanseeitwithageo...likearadar?Youcanlookwithradarunderthegroundandwiththatyoucanseeclearlythattherearebuildingsthere.

BR:Yes.Butyoucan’tseethedetailsofwhat’sinthere.

PG:No,becauseofthewater.

BR:Sothewater’sgottobepumpedoutfirst.

PG:Yes.Andnowwehavetodoanewscanning.

BR:Thatisafascinatingdiscovery.



KC:Andisthisgoingtobeannounced,you’resaying,inNovember[of2009]?

PG:Um...NBCwenttwotimestoEgyptthisyearandtheyfilmedinEgyptandthentheyshouldreleasethattheLabyrinthhasbeenfound,becauseatthemomentDr.HawassfromEgypt,he’snotreleasingtheresults.

ButwehadintheUniversityofGhentlastyearbefore600peoplethatDr.Hawasscameexplainingthat,indeed,hehasfoundtheLabyrinthandthatitisthere.Itneverwentworldwide.ItwasonlypublishedintheBelgianpress,sothewholeBelgianpressknewaboutit,butitneverwentoutsideBelgium.

BR:Thisisahugediscovery.

PG:Thisisthebiggestthingeverinhumanhistory.Itisthebiggestbuildingeverbuilt.It’s30kilometerslarge.Why?Becauseifyouhave3,000rooms,andeachroomisonlytenmeterslong,thenyouhave30kilometers.

BR:Ithoughthesaiditwasonly300meters.

PG:Yes,butthetotallengthofwalking–3,000rooms,eachroomtenmeters.

BR:Now,isthissomethingthatcouldbeconnectedwiththeHallofRecords?

PG:Yes.It’stheHallofRecords.

BR:ThisistheHallofRecords?

PG:ThisistheHallofRecords.EverybodyislookingatGiza.Sorry,guys.

BR:Wrongplace.

PG:Youareatthewrongplace.[laughs]It’sintheLabyrinthinHawara.

BR:Whatareyouexpectingtofind?Whatinformationareyouexpectingtobeinthere?

PG:Wearelookingforaroomfromgranite,sheetedingold,and

there,thereare36hieroglyphswiththetheory,howtheycountdownto2012.

BR:Wheredidthatinformation,thatidea,comefrom,thatyou’relookingforthat?

PG:TheFrenchman,AlbertSlosman,translatedthat.

BR:Ahh...yes.



KC:IsthisagainHerodotus?

PG:No,no,no.It’sfromtheFrenchman,AlbertSlosman.HetranslatedthatfromthehieroglyphsonthetemplesinEgypt.Idon’tknowwherebecausehediedin1981,Ithink,so...

KC:So,onthetemplesinEgyptittalkedabouttheLabyrinthandit...

PG:Yes.

KC:...andittalkedaboutthisroom...

PG:Yes.

KC:...thatcontainsthisinformationabout2012?

PG:Notabout2012,becausethedateisnotreleased.ButifyougototheTempleofDendera,youseethattheAgeofPiscesendsanditdoesn’tgotoAquarius.Soit’sattheendofthistimethatthecataclysmwillhappen.

BR:Andthat’sthecorrelationwiththeMayanCalendar.PG:That’sthe

correlationwiththeMayanCalendarbecausetheEgyptiansknewthesametheoryliketheMayadid.

KC:Okay.Butwhatyou’resaying,inessence,soundsliketheendofcivilizationasweknowit.

PG:Yes.Wewillbecompletelywipedout.Onlyafewmillionpeopleinthewholeworldwillsurvivethis.

KC:Andthesepeoplewillbewhere?

PG:Youhavetobehigherthantwokilometers,farawayfrom

volcanoes,andearthquakeresistant.Also,ifyouareinSouthAmericaandyouareonahighmountainandyouarepulledequator-wards,thenthemountainwillcollapse.Sothat’saveryhardplacetosurvive.

BR:Andit’snotverygoodnewsforthepeopleinBelgiumandHolland.

PG:NobodycansurviveinHolland,inEngland,orBelgiumbecausethetidalwaveis1.5kilometershigh.It’sdescribedintheBible;everythingwasunderwater.

It’snotonlyintheBible.Youcanseeonmywebsitethatthereare

storiesfromaworldwidefloodandthateverythingwasunderwater.

BR:Yep.

PG:Nobodycanexplainthat,butifyouhaveareversaloftherotationoftheEarth,okay,explanationcomplete.

KC:Isitpossiblethatthistheorycouldbewrong?

PG:No.Absolutelynot.



KC:Ohyeah?Whynot?

BR:That’saprettystrongstatement.

KC:Yeah.

PG:Yes.ButIwasalsoontheBelgiantelevisionandIstatedin1990:Look,theuniversehastoexpandwithanacceleration,andeverybodylaughedatmeandtheysaid:He’snuts.Andonlyeightyearslatertheysaid:[laughs]Theuniverseisexpandingwithanacceleration.

KC:Isitpossiblethattheforceofaccelerationisnotasfastasyouthinkitis?

PG:Fromwhat?

KC:Inotherwords,itcouldbeslower.Itcouldstillaccelerateorexpandbutitcouldbeslower,lessdrastic...?

PG:Doyouhaveitabouttheuniverseoraboutwhatishappeningin2012?

KC:You’re

sayingthattheuniverseisexpandingoraccelerating.

PG:It’saccelerating,foraveryshorttime,ofcourse,andnowitstopsagain,huh?

KC:Whatisgoingtocreatethisaccelerationsuddenly?

PG:No,no,no.Iexplainedthatalready.

BR:WhatPatrickissayingishewasrightaboutthatprediction,sohe’srightaboutthisone.

KC:No,butI’msaying,iftheuniverseisaccelerating,isit

acceleratingfromtheBigBang?

PG:No,no,no.Iexplainedthatalreadyinthebeginning.Youhaveinfinitemassesherethatpullonthegalaxiesinside.Theyareacceleratingduringaveryshorttime,andthentheacceleration...

KC:Whattime?

PG:Idon’tknowexactly,butthentheaccelerationstops,becauseyouarenearingthespeedoflightandyoucan’tgooverthespeedoflight.

BR:Butthisisn’timportantinrespecttowhatwe’retalkingabout.

It’sirrelevant.

PG:It’sirrelevant.

KC:Well,itisrelevantbecausebasicallyifthatpartofthetheoryiswrong,theneverythingelsemaybewrong.

PG:No,no.It’snotcorrelated.

BR:There’snoconnection?



PG:There’snoconnectionbetweenthetwo.It’sonly,Iexplained,Iwastheonlyonethatevermadesuchaprediction.

KC:Okay.

PG:Thatwasincomplete...theoppositefromtheotherscientists.

KC:Okay.ThenwhatareyousayingwillstimulatetheSuntocreatethissolarflaresuchthatitwillengulfandcausetheshift?

PG:Yes.

KC:WhatisactingontheSunthat’sgoingtocausethis?

PG:It’sthenaturalcycle.EveryelevenyearsyouhaveachangeinthemagneticfieldoftheSun.

KC:Elevenyears?

PG:Elevenyears.

BR:Thesunspotcycle.

PG:Thesunspotcycle.Atthenorthernpart,youhavetheplusfirstandatthesouthernpart,youhavetheminusfirst.Theychangeafterelevenyearssothatafter22years,youhavethesameplusagainonthesunspots.

Now,IwasthefirstinthewholeworldtocrackthattheMayaknewatheorytodescribethesunspotcycle.Ittookmeyearstofindit.Now,inthelasttwoweeks,Iwasabletoprovethatthesunspots,indeed,changefromplustominuseveryelevenyearsandeverybodywhoisinterestedorisagoodmathematiciancanaskmethetheoryandIcansendittohim.

BR:IthinkMauriceCotterellsayssomethingsimilar,doesn'the?

PG:Yes.Hesayssomethingsimilar.Itisbasedonhisideas,buthemadeseveralfaultsandIhavecorrectedthem.IfoundatleastfivefaultsinhistheoryandIneededtocorrectthem.SonowIamabletocalculateanelevensunspotcycletheoreticallyandnoastronomerinthewholeworldisabletodothat.

BR:Understood.Justbycoincidence,afewdaysagowemetPaulLaViolette.

PG:Yes.Imethimalso.

BR:Veryintelligentman,veryinterestingman.

PG:Yes.

BR:And,ofcourse,youunderstandhistheoryaboutGalacticSuperwaveswhichinfluencetheSuninthisperiodicway,sohe’sdescribingapossiblemechanismtocreatethekindofthingthatyou’retalkingabout,Ithink.Isthatright?



PG:Yes.Butinfact,theendresultisaboutthesame.Hedoesn’tbelieveinaPoleshift,butokay.

BR:Correct.

PG:Butwearetalkingaboutacataclysm.TheonlyfaulthemadeIsenthim–Ispoketohimlastyear.WemetinRomeaboutaconferenceabout2012andIgavehimmytheorybuthedidn’thavetimeenoughtostudyit.

BR:Okay.

PG:Iamnowtryingtopushseveralmathematicians.Alreadyoneofthebestmathematiciansinthewholeworldhasitthatthetheoryisright,buthedoesn’twanttoreleaseastatementbecausehesaid:IfIreleaseastatementthatthistheoryisright,wewillhaveworldwidepanicinaveryshorttimebecauseeverybodywillknowthenthattheMayacountdownwiththistheoryandthatthetheoryisrightandthat’smorethanenough.

BR:Doyoubelievethatthegovernmentsoftheworldknowthis?

PG:No,becausetheydon’tknowthistheory.

BR:Okay.

KC:Okay,butthistheoryofthesunspots...yousayit’shappeningeveryelevenyears.

PG:Yes.

KC:Sowegothroughthis...

PG:No,no.That’saminorreversal.

KC:Where’sthemajor...?

PG:Yes,yes,yes.Butwiththattheory,youcancalculateamajorreversalandthathappensevery11,500years,inmean;therearelongerandthereareshortercycles.Thatiswhatisimportant.

ThatiswhatwewillhavetofindintheLabyrinthinEgypt.WewanttofindthestudyofthesunspotcyclefromtheEgyptiansandthenwecancalculateexactlythedaythatitwillhappenagain.

BR:Soit’sprettyimportanttogetthatinformationfromtheLabyrinth.

PG:Yes.Yes.Yes.

BR:Whenwillthewaterbepumpedout?

PG:Ifeverythinggoesallright,in2010,aroundOctoberorsomethinglikethat.

BR:Whyisn’tthisineverynewspaper?Imean,thisisincredibleinformationabouttheLabyrinth.



PG:BecauseDr.Hawassdoesn’twanttoreleasetheresults.

KC:Ofcourse.

PG:IhavemorethatIcan’tsayaboutit.BecausewhatdidwefindattheGizaPlateau?

BR:Okay.

PG:Right.IwaswithPolishfriendsattheGizaPlateau,scanningtherein2006,andtheendresultwasreleased.Itwassaidwehavefoundtunnelsthatcouldleadtoprecioustombs.

Andin2007thewholeGizaPlateauwasscannedbutnoresultswerereleased.ButIknowthattheyfoundseveralcavesandHerodotuswroteinhisbookthatCheopswasn’tburiedinthePyramidbutthathewaslayingaroundtheGizaPlateauonanisland.

BR:Irememberthat.Yeah.Irememberthatnow.That’sinteresting.

PG:Right.SoIknowmorebutIcan’tsayit.

KC:ButtheyaredoingatremendousamountofdiggingaroundtheGiza

Plateaurightnow.

PG:No,no,no.Notatremendousamount.

KC:I’veseenit.Ohyeah,therearehugeexcavationshappeningrightaroundthelargePyramid,rightontheoutside,rightinbetween,nearthe...TheSphinxishere,thelargePyramid...it’sinthisarea.Therearehugediggingsgoingon,theyhaveitpartitionedoff.

PG:Sincewhenaretheydoingthis?

KC:Iwasthere,Ithinkitwastwoyearsago.

BR:April2006.

KC:Yeah.2006.

PG:No,no.Iknowaboutthat.No,no,no.That’sallsmalldiggingsbecauseit’snotalloweduntil2012todolargediggingsattheGizaPlateau.

KC:Howdoyouknowthat?

PG:Becausethat’sthelawinEgypt.It’snotalloweduntil2012.Why?Idon’tknow,butit's2012!

KC:Okay.Wellthat’sinteresting.

BR:Yes.SoZahiHawassknowseverything,doeshe?

PG:Hedoes.Hedoes.

KC:Youthinkhedoes.

PG:No.Hedoesn’tknowabout2012becausemyfriends,thePolish,



wereexcavatingattheLabyrinthtillthreemonthsago.Dr.Hawassfoundoutbetweentheconnectionfrom2012andtheLabyrinthandhestoppedtheexcavationsandtheyfoundalreadyseveralthings.

Sotherewere,Ithink,80Egyptiansexcavatingthere.ThePolishweren’texcavating,buttheywerepayingfortheEgyptianstoexcavateit.HawassstoppedtheexcavationsandthentheEgyptianstookover.SothatisthelatestwhatIknowatthemoment.

KC:Sotheywereexcavatingunderwater?

PG:No,no.Thewaterisfivemetersdeep...fromzerotofivemeters,andtheywerelookingthereandtheyfoundseveralthings.

BR:Aretherephotographsandfilmsofthis?

PG:Yes.ThePolishhave.

BR:Isthisreleased?Isthisavailableinthepublicdomainatall?

PG:Partofitwasontheirwebsitebuttheyhadtoremoveitfromtheirwebsites,fromDr.Hawass,andIdon’tknowatthemomentbecauseIdidn’thavetimetocorrespondwiththemthelastweeks,so

Idon’t

know.

KC:Okay.ButIwanttogetbacktotheSunandalsoaskyouwhatisactingontheSuntocreatethiscycle,youcallit,that’shappeningevery11,500years?

PG:Ithastodowiththespeedoftheequatorfieldandthepolarfield.IfyoulookattheSunandthespeedoftheequatorfield,youseethesunspotsmoving–it’sabout26days.Atthepolefieldthatyoucan’tseefromtheEarth,it’s37days.

Now,Iamaskingmyselfsincemorethan13years:HowcouldtheMayaandtheEgyptiansknowthespeedofthepolarfieldwhileyoucan’t

seeitfromtheEarth?

Ihavenoclue.Ihavenoidea,buttheystudiedtheSunforthousandsandthousandandthousandofyearsandsotheymusthaveseensomethingwhiletheyweredoingitandbeenabletocalculateit.

KC:AreyoufamiliarwithZechariaSitchin’swork?

PG:Yes.

KC:AndwhatabouttheideathattheAnunnakiwereinvolved?

PG:No.

KC:No?

PG:Idon’tbelieveit.Ibelievethereis10,000%evidencethattherewasahighcivilizationonEarththatwasdestroyedbyapolarshift.

WewillfindtheevidenceintheLabyrinthbecausewewillfindtheHallofRecordswherewecanfindhowtheEarthlookedlike–becauseAntarcticawaswithoutice.TherearemapsfromAntarcticawithoutice



andthatwewillfindintheLabyrinthandtheneverybodywillsayWOW!

Wehaveonlyashorttimetolive.Whatarewegoingtodo?AndatthatmomentIthinktheworldwideeconomywillcollapseintwoweeksorsomethinglikethat.

That’smyexpectationbecauseeverybodywillbesobaffledthattheywillsay:Oh,everythingisover.WhywouldIwork?Wewillstop.Wewillenjoyit.Wehaveonlyaveryshorttimeleft.

KC:Howlonghaveyouthoughtyou’veknownthis?

PG:IknewthisfromSeptember2006.IhadabsoluteproofthenbecauseIreadthebookfromMauriceCotterell,TheMayanProphecies,andIsawthathistheoryisnotknownbyastronomerstoday.ThenIstartedresearchingandIfound[out]aboutthebooksfromtheFrenchman,AlbertSlosman,thathadtranslatedthattherewasahighcivilizationonEarththatwasabletocalculatethelastpolereversal.

ThenIconnectedthedotsbetweentheMayaandEgyptiansandthenI

said:Look,thereissomethinginthetheoryfromthesunspotcyclethathastobefound,andIwasnowabletocrackalargepartofthat.ThatiswhyIamsosure,becausethistheoryisnotknownbyastronomerstoday.

BR:What’sbeentheresponseofpeopletothis?Becausethisgoingtobequitehardforsomepeopletolistentothis.

PG:Yes.

BR:Youmusthavehadthisreactionmany,manytimes.

PG:Yes.Nobodywantstobelieveit.Theysay:Look,evenifit’s

true,wedon’twanttobelieveit.

KC:Whatabouttheundergroundbasesthatthegovernmentsaroundtheworldarebuilding?Don’tyouthinkthatperhapsthattheyknowsomethingaboutthistheory?Idon’tknowiftheywouldagreewithyoucompletely,butdoyouthinkthatthebasesarewiththeideathattheymightsurvive?

PG:Theyhavenochanceofsurvivalbecausetheearthquakeswillbesolargethattherewillbecracksintheseundergroundbasesandthewaterfrom1.5kilometerswillgothroughthosecracksandtheywillkilleverybodythatisinsideit.

SonowyouhaveinNorwayavaultthatwillbecompletelydestroyed.Nodoubtaboutit.Youhavetobehigherthantwokilometersandthat’stheonlywaytosurvive.

BR:Sure,Iunderstand.Butthey’retryingtoprotectagainstsomething.TheybuilttheseedvaultatSvalbard.

PG:Yes.



BR:Theybuiltthatbecausetheyknewsomething.

PG:It’spossiblethattheyknowalotmore.It’spossible,butIdoubtitbecausetheydon’tknowthistheory.ButIleaveitinthemiddle.

Buteventhen,iftheyknowsomething,thentheymaketerriblevaultsbecauseIdon’twanttobeunderthegroundwhenthereisatidalwavefrom1.5kilometers.

KC:SodoyoubelievewehavealienvisitorsontheEarthatthistime?

PG:No.Idon’tbelievethat.Ionlybelieveinahighcivilization.Thatisalreadyhardenoughtounderstandforeverybodyinthewholeworld.

KC:Meaningahighcivilizationthatcamefromotherplanets?

PG:No,no,no!OnEarth.Thatwasable...

Look,wehaveahighcivilizationatthismoment.Now,whenthecataclysmhitsus,allcomputerswillbedestroyed.Onlybookswillsurvive.

Ifyouhavetorestartfromscratch,thenthatmaybewilltakeanother10-or12,000yearsbeforewehaveanotherhighcivilizationthatwillbedestroyedagaininanewcataclysm.

KC:Okay.Soyouhave...

PG:Onemoment...onemoment.I'mnotfinishedyet.Now,howfastarewecompletelydestroyed?

Onehour.Becauseinonehouranelectromagneticpulsewilldestroy

everycomputer.Nothingwillremainexceptthebooks.

DowehavebooksabovetwokilometersoronafewplacesonEarththatarehigherthanthat?Butmostofthatwillbedestroyedintheearthquakesandthentherewillberains.

Whatwillremainfromwhatweknownowatthismoment?Almostnothing.

Soyouwanttorestart?Somethingeasy–youwanttomakeiron.Doyouknowhowtomakeiron?Idon’tknow.Ineedabookforthat.

Doyouknowhowtomake...look,youhavetoothpain.Nowyouneedsomethingtorelievethepain.Doyouknowhowtomakeit?No,youdon’tknow.Doyouunderstandtheproblems?

BR:Sure,we’rebackintheStoneAge.

PG:No,theStoneAgewasbetter[Billlaughs]becausetherewillbenoSunfor40years.TherewillbeadustofcloudaroundtheEarthfor40yearsfromthevolcanoes.Ifyouhaveseenthedocumentaryfrom



YellowstoneParkthenyouwillknowthatifthereisalargeeruptionfromasuper-volcanothattherewillbeadustcloudaroundtheEarthfor45years.

NowwearetalkingnotaboutYellowstoneParkalone.Wearetalkingaboutalmostallvolcanoessotherewillbeadustcloudfor40yearsaroundtheEarth.Nofood.Noheat,nothing.

KC:Letmeaskyou,though,ifyoudon’tbelieveETsarehereonEarth,therehavebeenreportsthattherehavebeencraftspottedaroundtheSun.Okay?

PG:Mm-hm.

KC:Haveyouheardthesereports?

PG:No,Ihaven’theardthesereportsbutI’mjustsayingmycase.Now,nobodybelievesinahighcivilizationonEarthandIhaveabsoluteproofofthatbecause...

KC:Well,theybelieveinAtlantis,right?

PG:TheybelieveinAtlantis,butaskascientistandthey’rewayoff.

BR:Iunderstand.Sure.

PG:IhaveonlyoneproofatthemomentthattherewasahighcivilizationonEarthandthatistheSunspotCycleTheory.Thistheoryissoincrediblycomplicatedandnotknownbyastronomerstoday.Thatistheabsoluteproof.

BR:Hm.

KC:Interesting.

PG:Thatistheabsoluteproof.

BR:Now,letmeaskyouasortofexistentialquestion,ifyoulike.Ifit’ssohopeless,whyareyoueventellinganybody?Becauseitsoundslikethekindofthingthatnobodycandoanythingabouteveniftheyknewexactlywhatwasgoingtohappen.

PG:No,no.

BR:Whatcanpeopledowiththeinformation?

PG:No,no.Wehaveasurvivalgroupandwewanttosurviveinseveral

placesonEarth:theSierraNevadainSpain,andespeciallysomewhere,aplace,inNamibiaorSouthAfricaorTanzaniaorEthiopia.

Becausethereisanotherproblem.Wehavenowalargepartoftheworldcoveredwithnuclearplants.Theywillmeltdown,soitisimpossibletoliveortosurvive,inEuropeandtheUnitedStates.

BR:Andthat’swhyyou’relookingatsouthernAfrica.



PG:Yes.Itwillbecontaminatedforthousandandthousandsandthousandsofyears.

Now,thatisnottheonlyproblem.Themajorproblemisthatthefuelthathasbeenusedforthenuclearplantsisatseveralplacesatthemomentanditiscooleddown,cooleddown,eh?

Now,ifthecoolingstops,thatdisasterwillbelargerthanthemeltingofallnuclearplants.Iaskedaspecialistaboutthatandhesaid:Ifthathappens,Idon’tknowifhumanitycansurvive.

BR:Yeah.Weheardfromsomebody,andIdon’tthinkwecansayverymuchaboutthisonrecord,butwedidhearfromsomebodythatthemovieTheChinaSyndromewasbasedonarealincidentthathasneverbeenreleased.Doyouknowthismovie?

PG:TheChinaSyndrome?Yes,Ihaveseenthemovie.Yes,yes,yes.

BR:We’veheardthat’sbasedonarealincident,whichisquiteinteresting.Wecan’tproveit.

PG:Yes,butChernobylhappened.

BR:ChernobylcertainlyhappenedandsodidThreeMileIsland.I

understandthepoint.HowaboutAustralia?IsAustraliaaplaceto...?

PG:Thehighplacesarenaturalparkssoyoucan’tbuildsurvivalbunkersthere.Soit’sprettyhopeless,Ithink.

BR:Noteveninland?Imean,Iguessinlandyou’vejustgotdesertsoyoucan’treally...

PG:Thetidalwaveiseverywhere1.5kilometerhigh,atleast,Ithink.Itisevennearertotwokilometers.

KC:Thisisbased,though,onareversalontheSunfirst.Isthiscorrect?

PG:Yes.

KC:Soifthisreversaldoesnothappen,orifit’ssmaller.Inotherwords,someofthepredictionshavetalkedaboutCMEs–coronalmassejections–hittingtheEarthbuttheywillonlyhitcertainpartsoftheEarthmomentarilysothatit’snotanoverallsituation.

PG:No,no,no.ThereisnodoubtaboutwhatIamdescribing.ItwillbeworsethanIamdescribingbecausethemagneticfieldoftheEarthisnowsoweakthatitcanbeeasilyoverpowered.

InTheSixtiesandTheSeventiesfromthelastcentury,youcouldreadinthepopularscientificmagazinesandevenintherealscientificmagazinesthattheNorthPolechangesintheSouthPoleontheEarthevery11,500yearsbecausetheyfoundcorereversaldates.

Now,whattheyknewhasdisappeared,thatknowledge.Idon’tknowwhy.Thentheychangedtheirmindandtheysaid:No,ithappensevery250,000yearsorevery500,000years.



Sotheyarejustcompletelywrong.Idon’tknowwhytheychangedtheirminds,butthedataarestillthere.Ifyoulookinthescientificmagazinesfromthelastcentury,youcanfindthem.AndtheyaredescribedinthebookNotbyFire,ButbyIce...

BR:ByRobertFelix.

PG:RobertFelix,andhedescribesthearticleswhereyoucanfindthem.Sohehasalsoanewbookoutaboutwhatisgoingtohappen,andhealsosaysthatwecanbedestroyedeverymomentbyanewIceAge,buthedoesn’tknowtheprincipleofaPoleshift.

BR:IhavetosaythatIthinkatthispointwehavetotalkaboutthemessagethatwegotfromthispersonwhosenamewecan’trelease.Thisisquiteinteresting,Patrick.Weneedtotellyouaboutthis.

InOctober2007,wewerecontactedbysomebodywhosenamewerecognized.Itwasjustalittlemessage.Weoftengetthem.It’slike:Iloveyourwebsite;you’redoinggoodwork.

PG:Yeah.

BR:Weoftengetmessages.I’msureyougetthat,thesame.

PG:No.No.Igetbadmessages.[laughter]

BR:Iwonderwhy.

PG:Youf****edmylifeup![laughs]

BR:Okay.Well,wegotanicemessage.Itwasjustonelinefromthisguyandhesignedhisname.Irecognizedthename,butitwasquiteacommonnameandIthought:IsthiswhoIthinkitmightbe?Andthisissomebodywhosenameyouwouldrecognize,too.ThisisanAmerican

guy;he’saverywell-knownscientist.

AndIwrotebacktohimsaying:AreyouwhoIthinkyouare?

Hewrotebackandsaid:Well,actually,yes,Iam,andheconfirmedwhohewasandinthemeantimewecheckedouthisemailaddressandhisIP.Thiswasthesameguy.

Iaskedhim:Whatdoyouknowaboutwhatmightbehappeninginthenextfewyears?Becausethatwasatime,inOctober2007,[when]wewereaskinganybodythatquestioniftheyknewsomething;wewerestartingtogetreallyinterested.

Andhesaid:IhavegotsomebadnewsandIdon’tliketobesomebodywhocommunicatesbadnews,butIcantellyouthis.Hesaidtherewillbethreeevents:acoronalmassejection,amagneticpolereversal,andthen,finally,aPoleshift.Hesaidthat.That’swhathesaid.

PG:Hesaidthat?

BR:That’swhathesaid.



KC:Yeah.

BR:One,two,three.Hesaidthat.Andthenhesaid:I’msorryIcannotsayanymore.He’sworkingwithaTopSecretsecurityclearancefortheDepartmentofHomelandSecurityinAmerica.

PG:Yeah?

BR:Andwhat’sarocketscientistdoingworkingfortheDepartmentofHomelandSecurity?Thisisabrilliantman.

Hesayshe’sdonethecalculationsandhesaid–hisexactwordswere:We’regoingtobeinforaverytoughtime,andthenheapologizedfornotbeingabletosaymore.Hesaidthatwewerethefirstpeoplehehadcommunicatedwithoutsideofthenationalsecuritycommunityforseveralyears.

Now,Ithoughthewastalkingaboutthreeseparateevents,andnowwhatIhearyousayingisthatthesethreethingsareinter-related–Bang,bang,bang.

PG:Yes.Bang,bang,bang.

BR:Andthat’smakingmefeelverystrangerightnow.

PG:Yeah.Right.I’mverysurprisedthatheknowsthisbecausethistheorythatIhavediscovered,Ionlypublishedthatinmybooks.

KC:Butyourbookswouldbereadbythesepeople.Whendidyoupublishthis?

PG:Thatispossible.

KC:Whendidyoupublishthis,thefirsttime?

PG:Yes,butthenthetheorywasnotfinal.In2001abrief

explanationofthesunspotcyclewasinmybookTheOrionProphecyandthenIthinkit...WhenwasmybookTheWorldCataclysm...?

KC:Wasn’tthat2005?

PG:Somethinglikethat.Yes.Iforgot.2005,Ithink.

KC:I’vehaditforacoupleofyears.

PG:Yes.

BR:WehadthisemailinOctober2007.That’sjustwhatwegot.Off

record,maybewecantellyouwhothispersonis,buttoprotecthim,it’svery,veryimportantthatwedon’ttellhisname.

PG:Youdon’thavetprotecthimanymorebecauseIwillbeexplainingonHistoryChannelandNBCthenewtheoryaboutsunspotcycleandeverybodycantakethetheoryfrommywebsite.

KC:IsitpossibletheygodownintotheLabyrinthandthatyoufindoutthatthere’ssomethingdifferent,there’ssomethingwrongwithyourtheory?



PG:No,thereisnothingwrong.Thetheoryisabsolutelyright.Ithasbeenprovenrightbyoneofthemostbrilliantmathematiciansintheworld.

KC:Youmeanthissunspot...

PG:TheSunspotCycleTheorythatIdiscoveredinthebookofTheDresdenCodexoftheMaya.

KC:Soyou’relookingintheLabyrinthandyouexpecttogetsomekindofvalidationforsomethingintheLabyrinththat’sgoingtovalidateyourentiretheory.

PG:Absolutely.Wewillfindartifactsfromthepreviouscivilizationandweexpectalsotofindthingstherethatwedon’tbelievetheyhad.

BR:Okay.

KC:Doyouhaveanameofthatsocietythatyouthinkwastheoriginaladvancedcivilization?

PG:Well,itiscalledAtlantis;theAtlanteans.

KC:Soyouthinkit’sAtlantis,thatinformationintheLabyrinth.

PG:Yes.Aha-Men-Ptah(Atlantis).TranslatedbyAlbertSlosman.

BR:Andjustoutofinterest,curiosity,wheredoyoubelievethatwas?

PG:IbelievetheSouthPole.

BR:Oh,really?

PG:Yes.Andthatitwentinonedayundertheice.

BR:That’swhatRandFlem-AthandColinWilsonsay.

PG:Yes,Ibelievethatthetheoryisrightbecausethereisnootherexplanation.Itwasneverfound,andifyousaythatitwentundertheice,thenthatgivesacompleteexplanation.

BR:NowwhatPaulLaViolettesays,andIdon’thavetheinformationmyself.Weaskedhimthesamequestion.HesaysthattheicecoresamplesfromtheSouthPolearecontinuous,there’snoperiodwhen

therewasn’tanyice.Isthatcorrect?

PG:No,no,no.Hisdataisnotsogood.YouhavetoreadthebookfromRobertFelixbetter,andtherearenownewdatafromGreenlandthatconfirmstheIceAges.

BR:Okay.WhichbookbyRobertFelix?NotbyFire,ButbyIce?

PG:Thetwo.Youhavetoreadbothofthem.Yes.Okay?



Also,becauseoftheshiftingoftheEarth,thereisnoconsistencyinalltheicecoredata.Because11,500years[ago]apartoftheSouthPolewasnotundericeandapartwasundertheice.

Soyouhavetolookatthepartthatwascoveredundertheice13,000yearsago.Yousee?Becauseotherwisetherearedifferences.Ifyouhavenowaplace...

BR:ExplainthatagainbecauseIdidn’tunderstandthat,I’msorry.

PG:YouhavetheSouthPoleanditisfreeofice?

BR:Right.

PG:Now,theSouthPoleisneartheequatoranditgoesdowninonedayundertheiceandthepartthatwasnotcoveredbyicewillbecoveredbyice,butyouwon’tfindinthatpartpreviousIceAges.Youunderstand?Becauseitisnewice.Itisafterthecataclysm.

BR:Okay.SoletmecheckwhatIthinkyou’resaying.You’resayingthatthediscontinuityintheformationofthelayersoficewouldn’tactuallybevisible.

PG:Yes.It’s

not.IfyouhavethepartfromAntarcticathatwasonce11,000-12,000yearsagoicefree,thentheiceisnew.Thereisonlydatatill11,800yearsago.

BR:Okay.

PG:Andifyouthinkthattheiceislayingthereforhundredsofthousandsofyearsthenyoumakeafaultandyoucan’tsaysomethingrightaboutthatdata.

BR:Iunderstand.Itwouldbeveryinterestingtotalktothetwoofyoutogether,Imustsay.

PG:Youhavetogotofurtheraway,toAntarctica,oryouhavetoputthedatafromGreenlandbecauseGreenlanddidn’tmovethatmuch,andtheicecoredatafromGreenlandthatwerereleasedafewmonthsago,theyareexactly.

BR:Okay.Now,Idon’tunderstandhowsomeofthetectonicplates–you’retalkingaboutthetectonicplatesmoving–howsomeofthetectonicplatescanmovealotandsomenotatall.Surelyit’sallgoingtomove.

PG:No.It’sallgoingtomove.Youhavetojusttakethepeelofanorange,unboundit,andthatiswhatwillhappen.Butwhenwillthe

crustmove,so,thisway?That’sonlypossibleatthemomentthattheEarthstopsrotating,becauseyouhaveattheequatorabulge.BythemovementoftheEarth,there’sabulgeontheequator.

Now,atthemomentthattheinnercoreisalmostupside-down,thentherotationoftheEarthstops.AtthemomentthattherotationoftheEarthstops,thebulgedisappears.Thenthecrustcanslideeasilyover.



Butthentherotationstartsagain,becauseitgoestheotherwayaround,andthebulgeappearsagainandstopsthecrustslide.Thatiswhyyouhaveaninnercoremovementof180degreesandonly30degreesfromthecrust.

BR:Okay.SoyouknowabouttheLawofConservationofAngularMomentum.

PG:Yes.

BR:Sowhatyou’resayingisthatangularmomentumhereactuallyisconservedbecausethetotalenergyinthesystemstaysthesame,althoughthereareallthesechangeshappening--isthatright?

PG:Yeah.Theredoesn’tmuchhappenintheenergy,butyouhavetounderstandthatthecrustisonly60to120kilometersthickandthatistheonlymovement.

SothebiggestpartoftheEarthisgoingjustupside-downandthatdoesn’tneedalotofenergybecausenowthescientistssay:Look,therotationoftheEarth,reversalistotallyimpossible.Youneedtoomuchenergyforthat.

AndIsay:Look,no,youarewrong.It’sanupside-downmovementoftheEarththatdoesn’ttakethatmuchenergy.It’sonlythecrustthatgivesthefinalrotationreversal.

KC:Okay.Ihaveafewquestions.

BR:It’sacrustaldisplacement.

PG:It’sacrustaldisplacementandacrustalrotationmovement.

KC:Okay.Butifyou’resayingthatthiscrustisgoingtomoveandyousaidyouhadtobe100kilometersbelowthesurface?

PG:No,no.Thecrustisonly60to120kilometers.Ifyougodown60or100kilometersthenyouhavelava.

BR:It’sallfloatingaboutonakindofliquid,liketheskimonmilk.

PG:Yeah.

KC:Isitpossiblethey’rebuildingcitiesdownthere?

PG:No.Youhavelava,[laughs]sodeep,it’simpossible.Youhavelavathere.It’stoowarm.IfyougotoSouthAfricaandyouarein

thegoldmines,Ithinkit’sincrediblyhotatthreekilometerdepth.It’sincrediblyhot.

BR:Yep.It’sveryhot.

PG:It’svery,veryhotandifyougostilldeeperdown,it’simpossible.Youneedalargeamountofcoolingtostaythere.

BR:Yeah.



KC:AndwhatabouttheactivityontheMoonandtherestoftheplanets?IftheSunisgoingthroughthisreversal,whathappenstotherestoftheplanets?

PG:Youwillhave...thereisfrozenwateronMars,andthenthatwillbe,becauseMarshasnoatmosphere,sothetidalwavefromtheSunwillreleasefarmoreenergythanontheEarth,sothefrozenwateronMarswillbeliquidandtherewillbestreamsofwateronMarsfromwaterthatwillbelargerthanontheEarth.

BR:AndofcourseonMarsitlookslikethishashappenedbefore,becausetherearehugecanyonsthere.

PG:Yes,becausemorethantenyearsago,youcouldreadinthescientificmagazinesthattheythoughttheyhadstrongevidencethattherewerestreamsonMarsonlytwelvethousandyearsago.Becausetheysawstreampatterns–that’swithalmostnohitsfrommeteorites–andthatiswhytheysaidthislooksonly12,000yearsold,butnobodyhasanexplanation.

BR:Yep.That’strue.

KC:Okay,butyou’re

saying12,000andthenyousaid11,500...

PG:It’s“about”–plus/minus–becausenowithastaken11,800yearsbetweenthepreviouscycleandthenextcycle,andbeforethatitwas11,500years.Now,thelargertheamountoftimebetweenthecycles,thelargerthereleaseoftheenergyoftheSun,sothisdestructionwillbelargerthanthepreviousone.

KC:Isee.Andyou’reconvincedthatit’sgoingtohappenaround11,800years,not12,000.

PG:No.Therearesmallercyclesandtherearelargercycles.SointheEgyptianBookoftheDead,itisdescribedthattherewerethree

destructionsthelast40,000years.

KC:Butthere’salsothethingabouthowyoucalculatewhen2012orwhenthistimeperiodthatendswiththeMayanCalendar,etcetera.It’snotnecessarilyouryear2012becausethewaywe’vecountedyearshavechanged.

PG:No,no.IntheBookoftheDeadthereisalsoastarcode.ThatcodeisconnectedtotheyearofthepreviouscataclysmandinthepreviouscataclysmVenusmadearetrogradeloopaboveOrionneartheTwins.

I’vewrittenthatinmybookhowwediscoveredthat,andthere’salso

statedthatifthecodecomesbackthenitistheyearofthenextcataclysm.

BR:Andthere’saChinese...

KC:Butthegoat,we’retalkingtheyearofCapricorn.Right?

PG:No,no.Thecodewillappearagainin2012;VenuswillmakealoopaboveOrion.Butitisacomplicatedcodebecauseyouhavealsoto



lookattheprecession,andtheprecessionfromthelastcataclysmisthesameliketheprecessionin2012,plusorminus50years.

Butthereismoreproofthattheyear2012isright.NotonlytheVenuscodegivesit,butthereareothercodesthatarehiddeninthecountdownthatgivetheyear2012.

BR:Didn’ttheChinesehaveastoryintheirmythologythattherewasatimewhentheSunwentbackwardsinthesky?

PG:Yeah.NotonlytheChinese,butothersalso,andthatisbecauseofthereversaloftherotationoftheEarth.Now,theEgyptians,theyaresaying–Herodotuswroteaboutthat–thatintheEgyptianhistorytheSuncameupwhereitnowgoesdown.

BR:Okay.

KC:Yes.

PG:Sonow,youdon’thavethatonlyintheEgyptians.IgetseveralemailsfromguysfromtheIslamandtheysay:Look,whatyouhavediscoveredisinIslam.

AndIsaid:Oh,Iknowitalreadybecausealotofpeoplemailedthattome.Attheendoftimes,it’swrittendownintheIslam,theEarthwillshiverterribly.

BR:That’swhatitsaysinRevelations.It’sthesamething,isn’tit?

PG:Yes,it’sthesame,buttheysayitalsoinIslam...itwillshiverterribly.ThenyouhaveonlyaveryshorttimeleftforyoursinsbecauseoncetheSuncomesupwhereitnowgoesdown,thatiswrittenintheIslam,thenyoudon’thavetimetoaskpermissionforyoursinstobereleased,orsomethinglikethat.

KC:WhataboutthepositionoftheGizaPyramid?AreyoudatingtheGizaPyramidbackearlierthanoriginallythought?

PG:ThebaseofthebigPyramidisolderthanwhatitisbasedandnowtheysayitisabout5,000yearsold.No,thepyramids,whatisofficialthere...

BR:Ithinkit’s...

PG:Isit4,500?

BR:It’sabout4,500BC.

PG:No,no.

BR:No,I'msorry,4,500yearsold.That'stheofficialdating.

PG:Now,AlbertSlosmantranslated5,500yearsold,soathousandyearsolder.

KC:Okay.ButmyunderstandingwasthattheorientationofthePyramid



changed.

PG:No,no.Itdidn’tchange.Ithastodowiththeprecession,so...

KC:Soyou’resayingthattheprecessionoftheequinoxeschanged,notthepositionofthePyramidontheEarth.

PG:No.Itdoesn’t...

KC:WhataboutStonehenge?Didyoulookatthatatall?

PG:No.Ididn’tlookatStonehenge.MyresearchwasbasicallyEgyptandtheDresdenCodexoftheMaya.Also,toconnectallthedotswithwhatI’vewrittenaboutunexplainedmysterieslikeIceAges,andso[on],andhowyoucanconnectthatalltogether.

BR:Whatareyouplanningtodo,personally,inthenextfewyears?

PG:Wehaveasurvivalgroupandweareworkingnowwithseveralmembersofthatsurvivalgroup.We’vevisitedSouthAfricaandwewillvisitNamibiaandTanzaniaandtheSierraNevada[inSpain]tolookifwehavesomeplaceswherewecanbuildbunkers.

BR:SouthAmerica?

PG:SouthAmerica,no,becauseit’stoodangerousbecauseitwillmovetoomuchandtherearetoomanyvolcanoesthere.SoSouthAmericaandNorthAmerica--wewon’tdoanythingthere.

KC:Butareyoulookingonlyabove,whatareyousaying,2,000meters?

PG:Twothousandmeters,yes.

KC:EveninAfrica?

PG:EveninAfrica,yes.Butthebiggestproblemeverywhereintheworldisthatabove2,000meters,mostofitisnaturalparks,everywhereinthewholeworld,sothatcomplicatesourproblemalotbecauseotherwise,itwouldbeeasy.

Look,youhavetheKingdomofLesothoinSouthAfrica.It’sveryhighandtheproblemisyoucan’tbuylandthereandyoucan’tdoanythingthere.SothebestplaceinthewholeworldisLesothoandyoucan’tdoanythingthere.

BR:Botswana?

PG:No.

BR:No?

PG:It’snothighenough,Ithink.

BR:Okay.Buttheimpactofahugetidalwaveisactuallylessasyougoinland,soforexample,inEurope,Switzerland...

PG:No,no.ThisisareversaloftherotationoftheEarthand



accordingtooldmanuscripts,itwentthreetimesaroundtheworld.Sothespeeddifferenceis3,000kilometersanhour.Now,theEarthis40,000kilometersattheequator.Soin13hours,itgoesaroundtheworld.

BR:Butyou’restillgoingtogetawavejustlikeawaveonthebeachasitgoesinit'sgoingto...

PG:NO.

BR:No?Becausetheenergyisgoingtodissipate.

PG:Itdissipatesbutittakessometime,andaccordingtooldmanuscripts,thelastwavesarethelargest.Don’tknowwhy.

BR:Okay.

KC:So,let’stalkaboutyourwebsiteforthepeoplesothattheycanreferencethethingsyouarereferringto.Andyourwebsiteis...

PG:HowToSurvive2012dotcom.

[http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/home.htm]

KC:[laughs]Okay.

BR:[laughs]That’sverysimple.

PG:[laughs]Yeah.That'ssimple.

KC:AndyousayyouhavealinktheretotheLabyrinthinformation?

PG:Yes,ifyougototheLabyrinth,youhaveEgypt.Thenyouhavealinktheretothewebsiteofmyfriend,LouisdeCordier,whopaidforthescanningoftheLabyrinth.

Unfortunatelytheresultsareremoved--butyoucanfindalltheinformationthere--becausetheresultshadtoberemoved,fromDr.Hawass.

KC:Okay,becauseheaskedyoutoremovethem.

PG:Yes,otherwiseweweren’tallowedtoenterEgypt.

KC:Isee.SoyouaregoingbackinNovembertore-scanit?

PG:No,no,no.InNovember,NBCwillreleasethattheLabyrinthhasbeenfound.[laughs]

KC:Okay,they’rereleasingthattheLabyrinthhasbeenfound.Havetheygoneandfilmedit?Wereyoupartofthefilming?

PG:No,no.Iwasn’tpartbutateamfromNBCwentin,IthinkinMarch,toEgyptandtheyfilmedthere[with]Dr.Hawassaboutaconnectionbetween2012andtheLabyrinth.Hewillsay,ofcourse,thathedoesn’tbelieveinthat.ThentheyinterviewedDr.Abbas,whodidthescanning,andhesaystheLabyrinthisthere.



BR:Whyisittakingsolongforthemtoreleaseit?You’dthinkthatitcouldbeoutearlierthanthat.

PG:Theyarewaitingfortheexcavations.

BR:Okay,right.

KC:SoisthewaterbeingdrainedbyNovember?

PG:No,no.Thewaterwillbedrainednextyear[2010]becausetheyarenowmakingpipesthereforthecanaltobeinapipeandthenalsotheyarebuildingpumpsandso[on]topumpthewaterout.Butthatwilltakeayear.

BR:That’saprettybigjob.

PG:It’saverybigjobandverycostly.

BR:Yes,andthey’vegottodoitright.

PG:Yes,they’vegottodoitright.Wehopetheydon’tstopitbecauseoftheconnectionwith2012,becausetheystoppedtheexcavationsfrommyPolishfriendsafewmonthsago.

BR:Theremustbegovernmentsoftheworldwhowillbe...Imean,eveniftheydon’tknow,theintelligenceagencies,themilitariesoftheworldmustbeawareofthisinformation.It’stheirjobtofindthisinformation.

PG:No.No.Absolutelynot.Nobodybelievesit,becausetheydon’tknow...

It’sthesamelikeIwassaying30yearsagoinmybook.Isaidtheuniverseisexpandingwithanacceleration.Nobodybelievedit.

Thenelevenyearsagotheypublisheditbythemselves:Theuniverseisexpandingwithanacceleration,andtheyreversedtheirstandpointcompletely.Theysaidtheoppositefromwhattheyweresayingpreviously.

Now,IthinktheywillreversetheirstandpointbecauseofwhatIfoundwiththeSunspotCycleTheory.It’sonmywebsiteandIhaveanupdatedversionandifthereisagoodmathematicianorasolarscientist,hecanaskittomeandhewillbebaffledwithwhatI’vefound,becausewhatIfoundissocomplicatedthat,well,ithastobetrue.

KC:Okay,butdoyouhaveabackgroundasamathematician?

PG:Notreally,andthereforeittookmeyearstofindit![laughs]Butishasbeenfoundtruenowbyamathematician.SoIamworkingonitandit’spossiblethatamathematicianfromauniversitysaysthatitisrightandthathecangetitpublished.

No,no.Healreadysaiditisrightbutit’snowtheproblemtogetitpublishedandtoworkonit.Becauseyoucan’tpublishabasictheory;



youhavetouseadvancedmathematicianstodoit,andthatisnowthesecondpartweareworkingon.

KC:Okay.Wouldyousayaroundtheworldyouhaveanysupportouttherewithscientistsbesidesthisparticularmathematician?

PG:ThereareafewpeoplethatbelievethatanIceAgecanhappeneverymoment,butthat’sit.

KC:ButwhataboutthereversaloftheSun?

PG:No.Nobodybelievesthat.

KC:Nobody?

PG:Nobodybelievesthat,nobody.I’mtheonlyonewhoissayingthat,andIamtheonlyoneinthewholeworldwhoknowsexactlywhatisgoingtohappen.

KC:[laughs]Okay...well,thisisveryextraordinary.

PG:Yes.It’sthesamelike...It’sapitythatmybookaboutthetheoryoftheuniverseneverwaspublishedinEnglish,otherwiseyouwouldhaveknownaboutitmuchearlier.

BR:ButyourwebsiteisinEnglish.

PG:MywebsiteisinEnglishbecauseIsaid:Look,ImadeafaultbynotpublishinginEnglish,soIcan’tmakethesamefaultagainfortheendoftheworld.

Look,mybookwastranslatedinEnglishin1997andthenIhadtolookforapublisherandIdidn’tfindone.Nobodywantedtopublishituntilin2000IcameinBrusselsinanEnglishbookstorethatisthere,Waterstones,andtheyhadthebookaboutmapsoftheancientSeaKings,thesamewriterlikethatwroteaboutthePoleshifts...

BR:CharlesHapgood.

PG:CharlesHapgood.ThenIwrotetothepublisherofthatanditwasDavidHatcherChildressintheUnitedStates.

BR:Ohyeah.Right.

PG:Right.AndIaskedhim:Look,doyouwanttopublishmybook?

Andhesaid:Ifyoupayforit,and:IwillbeinAmsterdaminafewmonths.Cometomeandspeaktome.

AndIwenttohimandIsaid:Okay.It’sokay.Iwillpayforthepublicationofmybook,sothatstartedeverything.

KC:Haveyousoldalotofbooks?

PG:TheOrionProphecyIbelieveisnowaround30,000inEnglish,butinPolish,becauseIhadseveraldocumentariesinPolish,Isold50,000copiesfrommythreebooksinPolish.

KC:Uh-huh.Whatisyournativelanguage?



PG:Dutch.

KC:Dutch.

PG:Yes.

KC:DoyouspeakPolish?

PG:No,absolutelynot.[laughs]Idon’tunderstandanything.[laughter]

KC:ThereisjustaspecialinterestinPolandforyourwork?

PG:No.Afewyears...howlongisitago?IthinksixyearsagoaPolishmanreadmybookinPolish–becauseTheOrionProphecywasratherquicklytranslatedinPolish–andhesaid:Look,nobodybelievesyou,Ithink.

Isaid:Yeah,thatistrue.

IwillhelpyoutofindtheLabyrinthinEgypt.

Isaid:Okay.ThenhecametoBelgiumafewmonthslaterandwetalked

witheachother.ThatistheguywhomadeconnectionwiththedepartmentofastronomyandgeophysicsinEgypt.TheyscannedtheGizaPlateauin2006,andwiththatconnection,IwasabletoscantheLabyrinth.

KC:Okay.PriortothatwerethereanytheoriesaboutwheretheLabyrinthwas?Wereyouthefirstonetoinitiatethis?

PG:No,no.Thearchaeologistsalreadysaidthat,accordingtowhattheythought,theLabyrinthshouldbeinHawara.Buttherewerenoexcavationsandtheythoughtitwascompletelydestroyed.

AndIsaid:Completelydestroyed?Suchalargebuilding?Thatisimpossible.Itstillhastobethere.Andwewerethefirsttoscanit.

KC:ArethereanypyramidsaspartoftheLabyrinth?

PG:ThereisapyramidstandingneartheLabyrinth,butitismainlycollapsedbecauseitismade...theupperlevelofbrickstones,buttheunderlevelisinstoneandgraniteaswecansee.ThereisaconnectionwiththeLabyrinthandthatwasdescribedbyHerodotus,sotheLabyrinthshouldbethere.Itisthere.

BR:That’safascinatingstory.

PG:Yes.

KC:HerodotuswroteinGreekorinLatin?

BR:InGreek.

PG:InGreek.IwasafewyearsagoinTurkey,Bodrum,itiscalled.It’saveryfamous,likeCannes–likeCannesfromTurkey–andhe



livedthere.Hewasbornthere,butthatwasancientGreece.

KC:Yes.Okay.Iunderstand.

BR:Hewasafamoushistorian.Hewasveryreliable.Hewasascholar.

PG:Yes.

KC:DoyoureadGreek?

PG:No.

KC:Soyouhadtoreadatranslation.

PG:Itwasatranslation,yes.

KC:Wasitaccurate,doyoufeel?

PG:Well,youhavetranslationsinEnglishandinDutch,so...ItwasanewtranslationinDutch.

KC:Isee.

BR:He’sbeenverywelltranslated.Hisworkisn’tdisputedatall.

KC:Ijustwondered.

BR:Andhewas...theGreekswereverymethodicalandmeticulous.Theywereacademics.Theytookprideintheirscholarship.

Platowasanotherone.HewasrightabouteverythingandwhyshouldpeoplesaythathewaswrongaboutAtlantis?

PG:Yeah.

KC:ButPlatodidsayAtlantiswas...

BR:IunderstandthatHerodotuswasparticularlyinterestedinEgyptianhistory.Isn’tthatright?

PG:Yes,hewasverygood.

KC:ButPlatowas,apparently,ifyoufollowyourtheories,PlatowaswrongaboutthelocationofAtlantis.

PG:No,no.Absolutelynot.

KC:Platosaidsouthoftheequator?

PG:Yes,buteverybodymisinterpretedwhathesaid.

KC:It’sAntarctica.

BR:AllthatPlatosaidwasthatiswasbeyondthePillarsofHerculesandwhatthatmeansisthatitwasoutsideoftheMediterranean.



PG:Yes.

BR:Andthatalsoappliesto...

PG:AlsotoAntarctica.Yes.

BR:Sohewasn’twrongaboutthat.MostpeoplethinkthatthatmeansinthemiddleoftheAtlantic.Ofcourse,somepeoplestilldothinkthatandthat’sawholeotherdiscussion.

PG:Mostofthemthinkit.TherearethousandsofplacesthattheythinkwhereAtlantiscouldbe.SoonlyafewpeoplethinkAntarctica.WewillfindthatintheLabyrinth.

KC:Okay.Butdoyouthinkthey’llreleaseit?Inotherwords,Iknowthey’regoingtotalkaboutitinNovember[of2009],andNBCisgoingto,buttheydon’tusuallyreleasealotofinformationtothepublic.

Sowhatdoyouthink?Isthereapossibilitythatbecauseyourtheorymightbetruetheymightactuallywithholdthisinformation?

PG:Idon’tknowwhatwillhappen.Itdependsfromwhatthemediawilldowithit.TheBelgianpresspublishedaboutmytheoriesbutthere

wasnotthatmanyresponsebecauseoftheoppositionofthescientists.BecauseIwasonTV,andafterwardtheygivescientists,butthesescientistsareallwrong.

Now,becausetheydidn’tknowthelatestdatafromtheNASA.In2008,inDecember,NASApublishedthattheyfoundanewtheoryabouttheprotectionoftheEarth.

IfawavefromtheSunwithanorthernpolarityhitstheEarthfirst,thenthesouthernpolarityfieldoftheEarthistotallyunprotected.ThescientistsfromNASAwroteontheirwebsite:ThisisthesameassayingthattheSunwillcomeupinthewest.

Now,ifyouconnectthedots,thisexplainswhytheSunwillcomeupinthewestbecauseifyouhaveafollow-upbigwavewithsouthernpolarity,theneverythingwillhappenwhatIexplained.

ThereisanothertheoryfromNASAthattherewillbeahugeactivityoftheSunin2012.Thatisenough.ItiscomingfromNASA.It’snotcomingfromme.[laughter]I’mnotsayingthat.NASAissayingthat.

KC:That’sright.Yes.SolarCycle24.

BR:Theyweresayingthatacoupleyearsago.

PG:Yeah.ButexpectnowthatNASAwillsay:No,no.Nothingwill

happenin2012,afterthemovieandallthethings,orIdon’tknowwhatwillhappen.

KC:Butyou’retellingusthatyou’vebeen,Idon’tknow,wereyoujustinterviewedbyHistoryChannel?

PG:HistoryChannel,NBC.Yes.

KC:NBC.Okay.Andtheywillreleasethatinterviewwhen?



PG:Idon’tknow.

KC:Youdon’tknow.

PG:NBCinNovember[of2009].

BR:Doyouhaveanexactdateforit?

PG:No,justpriortothemovie.

KC:Priortothemovie.Whatmovie?

PG:The2012movie.

KC:Ohyeah?

PG:Yes.ThatisaboutthePoleshift,thedestructionofeverything.

KC:Sotheyinterviewedyouinassociationwiththatmovie.

PG:Yes.SONYPicturesinterviewedmealsoandtheysaidthattheywillreleaseapartofthatinterviewjustbeforethemoviestarts.

KC:Anddidthefilmmakersreadyourworkandweretheyinfluencedby

you?

PG:IamabsolutelysureaboutthatbecausemybookTheOrionProphecywaspublishedin2001andthere’sonlyoneguyinthewholeworldthatwroteaboutaPoleshiftin2012andthatisme.

KC:Ah.

BR:Atthattime.

PG:No.Atthemomentyoucan’tfindanybookthatissimilarlikeminethatdescribeswhatwillhappen.Nothing.I’mtheonlyone.Soit

hastobebasedonmybookbecauseitisalsointhemoviehesaysaboutunsinkableboats.Iwroteaboutanunsinkableboatinmybookalso,andaboutthePoleshift.[laughs]

So,hemadeseveralfaultsinhismovie.Ofcourse,it’samovie,it’saHollywoodmovie;ithastobespectacular,ofcourse;so,okay.

KC:Well,certainlythedestructionofcivilizationisquitespectacular,regardlessofhowHollywoodmakesit,right?

PG:Right.

KC:Well,PatrickGeryl,thankyouverymuch.

PG:Okay.

KC:It’sbeenapleasure.You’reveryeloquent.Yourtheoriesarevery,[laughs]verydire,butwe’llseewhathappens,won’twe?

BR:Ithinkatthebeginning,youusedthewordapocalypticandthat’sagoodwordtouse.

PG:Yeah.Apocalyptic.



BR:I’dliketothankyou,too.It'sinterestingstuff,actually.IhadnotreadyourbookandIwillnowdoso.Absolutely.

PG:Yeah.Right,andthenyouwillknoweverythingandyouwillseethatitisfarmoredirethanIexplained.

BR:OkayandthenI’mgoingtoquitworkandjuststartpartying.[laughs]

PG:That’sthebestthingyoucando.That’sthebestthingyoucando.

KC:Thankyouverymuch.

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