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In the week that The Queen gave the green light to the use of Archimedes screw technology to harness the power of the River Thames and provide hydroelectricity for Windsor Castle, The Business Magazine and leading law �rm B P Collins invited several of their long-standing sector-expert clients to Gerrards Cross to discuss environmental issues in our region and debate ..... John Burbedge reports the roundtable highlights.
ParticipantsJohn Brace
Sue Deacon,
Diane Gill,
Neil Grundon,
Management
Andrew Hillier
Pumps
Peter Prior
Sean Reel
Michael Topham
Mike Wynne
David Murray:
The Business Magazine
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Are our ‘green’ shoots now well established?
come, but David Murray
Michael Topham
Neil Grundon
the volume of recycling is increasing, so is the
Andrew Hilliertake things very seriously now in terms of renewables. We are also working with several
Peter Prior
these tough times it is important that the most
Murray
Sean Reel
Grundon
present. Successive governments seem to have
The Reel issues on the horizonSean Reel
we barely scratch the surface of true recycling
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John Brace
Andrew Hillier
Mike Wynne
huggers but they are not going to make the
with the environmental challenges we face.
Reel
on a bigger better scale, rather than leaving
The UK Waste Review – What a waste of effort!Mike Wynne was highly critical in relation to
review of national waste management,
know how long or how much money they
Diane Gill
than imposing anything meaningful on
uncertainty rather than opportunity within
cautious of the impact of the Government
TophamIt was benign, but in one way it was
trying to be less prescriptive, allowing us environmental businesses to come up with
Wynne
knows what the legislation will be in two
is probably stricter than here, but their
Topham
recyclables into separate or the same waste collection bins for later mechanical sorting.
The sleeping giant in the East has awoken ...Wynne
before it becomes effective. In that time
Reelinterest from overseas than from within
because we think there is opportunity for
Wynnenew green jobs in this country over the
have to, because they are potentially in a worse waste management situation than
of infrastructure projects that are being
Let the market pick the winnersDoes the answer lie in the soil, or with
Prior
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Diane Gill
Sean Reel
Topham
holes, but now we have process engineers,
Prior
Remove the ROCs and smooth our regulatory pathPriorregime covering the environment sector, with
rather than all these regulatory instruments
Minister confuse electricity with energy. It’s a common mistake, but electricity is only about
Topham Prior
Reel
preneurs’ in helping to resolve the planet’s serious environmental issues.
Please, can we have one simple fossil fuel tax?
Prior
Hillier
Reel
the proportion of income spent on fuel, won’t
Hillier
fossil fuels, then you will just get more cheap
Grundongeneral but I agree with Peter. If you believe that climate change is the biggest threat to
Topham
recycling solutions.
Grundon
years was looking unlikely.
It’s not the tipping, but the tipping points that matter
Murray
Tophamon commercially economic tipping points
though that waste might have aluminium at
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Sue Deacon
Michael Topham
the competing force to win contracts for
what’s left after the recyclables are taken
probably come a tipping point in a few years
Prior
bigger, which was a great incentive for
be the same for a progressive fossil fuel
Topham
A lot of hot air?Wynne
Grundon
the cost of infrastructure.
Prior
the economic feasibility of using much of the
heating.
to electricity is low.
initial investment in that process. It’s totally
Why do we need plastic-wrapped cucumbers?
John Brace
waste management cycle.
Brace
unnecessary packaging that we throw away is
Grundon
Brace
Grundon
Tophamthe enemy, but I believe we have a lot less
So we’ll continue to have packaging in our
Brace
Topham
even the best performing recyclers are only
to look more at things like thermal recovery
Following the paper trail...Murray
Topham
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Peter Prior
Neil Grundon
Murray
Grundon
Topham
of recurring processes or stable systems.
. . . and building awareness . . .Murray Sue Deacon, who specialises in commercial property work,
tenants are reluctant to increase their rental costs, especially with leases now increasingly
Wynne
because of increasing green awareness of buyers.
Prior
because it was cheaper.
. . . while encouraging eco-preneurial innovationReelwho have got great creative technological
for larger companies to form corporate
Reelrecycling plastic waste that hopefully will be
processes to stop a bullet from a rifle.
Prior
Topham
small enterprises have got such a vital role to
see that small businesses are very much the
Grundon
is killing entrepreneurialism in small
Prior
Prior
the future.
Wynne
Grundonbeen monitoring its monitoring its methane
Topham Prior’s ‘single fossil
Details: www.bpcollins.co.uk
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He added: “Unfortunately, the 50% tax is killing entrepreneurialism in small businesses.”
Prior then controversially suggested: What’s wrong with landfill? ‘Methane!’ came the roundtable reply.
But landfill could still be economic if the methane could be captured and LT was lifted, Prior argued. New cost-efficient methane capture technology might come along and if new landfills were planned better now they could become the cheapest option in the future.
Wynne said poor landfill management and methane problems had been largely overcome in Ireland, admittedly mainly due to EU regulations, but it proved change could be achieved. The Irish Government were decisive when they laid out their blueprint document ‘Changing Our Ways’.
Grundon revealed that his company had been monitoring its methane emissions from 2000 and they were lower now with closed cell landfills than they were with open landfills.
Topham warned that Prior’s ‘single fossil fuel tax’ might obey the Law of Unintended Consequences. “Unless you can be absolutely sure that it is going to drive a behaviour . . . .”
It could be that LT was even now driving the waste management industry to unnecessary investment on alternative methods of disposal, if future technological advances could prove landfill management to be a better and cost-effective option for the UK.