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Jenifer L. Russin, RDR

RUSSIN REPORTING

(575) 202-4797

I N T HE U NI TE D S TA TE S D IS TR IC T C O UR TF OR T HE D IS TR IC T O F N EW M EX IC O

U NI TE D S TA TE S O F A ME RI CA ,

Plaintiff,

vs. Case No. 11-CR-2294

REMINGTON REESE,

Defendant.

T R AN S CR I PT O F P R OC E ED I NG S

S e pt e mb e r 1 9 , 2 0 11

B EF OR E: T HE H ON OR AB LE R OB ER T C . B RA CKL as C ru ce s, N ew M ex ic o

A P P E A R A N C E S

F OR T HE G OV ER NM EN T: N AT HA N LI CH VA RC IK a ndM I CH A EL N A MM A RA s si s ta n t U n it e d S t at e s A t to r ne y s5 55 S . T el sh or , S ui te 3 00

L as C r uc es , N ew M e xi co 8 80 11

FOR THE DEFENDANT: PAUL J. RUBINO, ESQ.5 5 01 S u pe r st i ti o n D r iv e , # 7L as C r uc es , N ew M e xi co 8 80 11

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T HE C OU RT : T ha nk s, e ve ry on e. G oo d

a ft er no on . T ak e y ou r s ea ts , p le as e.

U ni te d S ta te s o f A me ri ca v er su s R em in gt on R ee se .

M r. R ee se i s p re se nt t hi s a ft er no on , a lo ng w it h

M r. R ubi no . Mr . L ic hv ar ci k a nd M r. N am ma r a re h er e on

b eh al f o f t he g ov er nm en t.

W e' r e h er e p ur su an t t o t he U ni te d S ta te s' m ot io n

f or r ev oc at io n o f o rd er s et ti ng c on di ti on s o f p re tr ia l

release.

C ou ns el , I 'v e r ea d y ou r m ot io n, t he o rd er

g ra nt in g t he s ta y, t he o rd er s et ti ng c on di ti on s o f

r el ea se , t he o ri gi na l p re tr ia l r ep or t, a s a me nd ed , j us t

t od ay t o i nd ic at e t ha t t he re w as a 2 00 5 C he vr ol et

S il ve ra do t ru ck t ha t h ad b ee n o mi tt ed f ro m t he p re vi ou s

re po rt . O th er t ha n t ha t, I t hi nk I 'm u p t o s pe ed .

M r. L ic hv ar ci k, i s t hi s y ou rs ?

M R. L IC HV AR CI K: Y es , Y ou r H on or . A nd, Y ou r

H on or , w e o bv io us ly a ls o f il ed o ur n ot ic e o f a pp ea l

p ap er wo rk , a nd w e a ls o s ub mi tt ed , b y h an d, c op ie s o f

a ud io a nd v id eo h ig hl ig ht s f ro m t he v ar io us u nd er co ve r

o pe ra ti on s. W e s ub mi tt ed t ha t t o t he C ou rt , a nd a ls o

M r. R ubi no p ic ke d u p a c op y o f t ho se f ro m o ur o ff ic e, a s

well.

Y ou r H on or , o th er t ha n d et en ti on f ac to rs , t he

n at ur e a nd c ir cu ms ta nc es o f t he c ri me c ha rg ed i s


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p ro ba bl y o ne o f t he m os t i mp or ta nt o ne s, i f n ot t he m os t

i mp or ta nt . I t' s t he r ea so n t ha t t he re 's a p re su mp ti on

i n m an y c as es , c as es w he re o ur s oc ie ty h as j us t s ai d,

y ou k no w w ha t, t he re 's a c er ta in s ub se t o f c ri me s - -

m ur de r, f o r i ns ta nc e, o r c ri me s a ga in st c hi ld re n ,

A -l ev el d ru gs , o bv io us ly - - t ha t t he n at ur e a n d

c ir cu ms ta nc es o f t he c ri me c ha rg ed r ea ll y d ri ve s t he

w ho le n ot io n t ha t s om e c ri me s a re j us t s o h or re nd ou s

t ha t t he re 's g ot t o b e s om e r ea ll y e xt re me c ir cu ms ta nc es

i n o rd er f or s om eb od y t o g et o ut .

N ow , I a ck no wl ed ge t ha t t he re 's n ot a p re su mp ti on

i n t hi s c as e. T he f ir ea rm s- tr af fi ck in g c ha rg es d o n ot

ha ve a p re su mp ti on . B ut t he r ea so n I b ri ng t ha t up is

b ec au se o f a l l t he n on pr es um pt io n c as es , m y a rg um en t i s

t h at f i re a rm s t r af f ic k in g a n d s m ug g li n g o f h i gh - po w er e d

f ir ea rm s t o M ex ic o, s tr aw p ur ch as in g , a id in g a nd

a be tt in g t he s tr aw p ur ch as e o f f ir ea rm s, e sp ec ia ll y w he n

i t' s a g un d ea le r e nt ru st ed w it h s el li ng a l ot o f

f ir ea rm s, a nd a g un d ea le r, a t t ha t, o n t he S ou th we st

bo rd er , I th in k Mr . R ub in o i s g oi ng t o h av e a h ar d t ime

s ta nd in g u p a nd s ay in g t ha t t ha t' s n ot o ne o f t he m os t

s er io us n o np re su mp ti on c as es t ha t e xi st s i n t h e c od e

book.

T ha t s er io us ne ss h as b ee n c on si de re d b y a l ot o f

j ud ge s a lo ng t he b or de r, a nd I t hi nk v er y t el li ng a re


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t he w or ds o f J ud ge L ee Y ea ke l i n T ex as w ho u tt er ed t he se

w or ds t o a f ir ea rm s- tr af fi ck in g d ef en da nt i n A us ti n ,

T ex as. A nd J ud ge Y ea ke l s ai d, " Un le ss y ou do n ot h av e a

p ul se , y ou w ou ld k no w t he se g un s w ou ld b e u se d t o k il l

people."

S o t he n at ur e a nd c ir cu ms ta nc es o f t he c ri me s

c ha rg ed a s t o R em in gt on R ee se a re v er y, v er y s er io us .

A s f ar as st re ng th o f t he c as e, I t hi nk o ur

pa pe rw or k h ig hl ig ht s a l ot o f t ha t. I d on 't w an t t o

t ak e u p t he C ou rt 's t im e g oi ng t hr ou gh t ha t a ga in , b ut

th e g is t o f i t i s t he se w er e a ud io a nd v id eo r ec or de d i n

u n de r co v er o p er a ti o ns . U n de r co v er a g en t s w i t ne s se d

t h em , a s d i d c o op e ra t in g w i tn e ss e s.

A s f ar a s h is to ry a nd c ha ra ct er is ti cs o f t he

d ef en da nt , y ou k no w, w ha t w e k no w a bo ut R em in gt on i s

b as ed o n h is p as t c on du ct . A nd t im e a nd a ga in d ur in g

t hi s c as e, h e h el pe d f ur th er l ie s o n t he A TF 4 47 3 f or ms .

He sold a lot of guns and ammo that he knew were

d e st i ne d f o r M e xi c o.

H e d is cu ss ed w it h a b el ie ve d c ar te l m em be r h ow

th at c ar te l m em be r w as l os in g t he w ar i n M ex ic o. H e

a ss is te d i n t he o rd er in g a nd s el li ng o f a . 50 - ca li be r

r if le h e b el ie ve d w as f or t he w ar i n M ex ic o. N ot o nl y

d id h e s el l t he a mm un it io n t o t hi s b el ie ve d c ar te l

m em be r, b u t h e a ct ua ll y r ep ac ka ge d t he a mm un it io n i n a n


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e ff or t t o h el p c on ce al t ha t a mm un it io n f ro m l a w

e nf or ce me nt , a nd a mm un it io n t ha t h e b el ie ve d w as g oi ng

to b e used in the war that's going on south o f t he

b or de r. P re tt y c al lo us s ta te me nt s, t oo , b y R em i ng to n

R ee se, an d I th in k t ha t t ha t t el ls u s a l ot a bo ut h is

mindset.

A nd a ga in , I w on 't r eh as h a ll o f t he m t ha t w e' ve

li st ed in ou r b ri ef s, b ut o ne o r t wo a re w or th

m en ti on in g: S ta ti ng h ow h e' s n ot w or ri ed i f t he a mm o i s

n ot c le an o f h is f in ge rp ri nt s b ef or e b ei ng t ra ns fe rr ed

t o t he p eo pl e i n M ex ic o a nd t ha t h e s to pp ed c ar in g a bo ut

i t a l on g t im e a g o. A nd t he re 's s om e g ig gl in g a n d e ven

l au gh te r a nd j ok in g w he n t he y' re s el li ng t hi s a mm un it io n

a nd r ep ac ka gi ng t hi s a mm un it io n, a bo ut h ow t hi s

a mm un it io n i s n ot g oi ng t o b e c om in g b ac k f ro m M ex ic o;

an d if it is go in g t o b e c om in g b ac k, i t's g oin g to be

c om in g b ac k o n d ea d b od ie s.

A nd h e a ls o c oa ch ed a b el ie ve d c ar te l m em be r o n

h ow t o s tr uc tu re t he ir p ur ch as es s o t ha t i t w ou ld b e

l es s s us pi ci ou s t o f ed er al l aw e nf or ce me nt , a n d t ha t w a s

i n t he c on te xt o f t he p ur po rt ed c ar te l m em be r s ay in g

t ha t h e n ee de d t o p ur ch as e $ 24 ,0 00 w or th o f f ir ea rm s a nd

w an te d t o t ry t o s tr uc tu re t ho se p ur ch as es .

S o a s t o t he d ef en da nt 's c ha ra ct er , I t hi nk a ll

o f t ho se a ct io ns , h is p as t c on du ct , I t hi nk t he y s pe ak


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q ui te e lo qu en tl y a bo ut R em in gt on R ee se , a nd t he y s ho ul d

c au se t he C ou rt a bu nd an t p au se t o t ak e h im a t h is w or d

r i gh t n o w.

A ls o n ot ew or th y o n h is h is to ry a nd

c ha ra ct er is ti cs , a nd i t r ea ll y g oe s t o f li gh t r is k a nd

d an ge r, b u t a ga in , n um be r o ne , h is s ur re pt it io us c on du ct

sa ys t ha t he ca n't b e t ru st ed . H e' s w il li ng t o us e

d ec ep ti on a nd f ra ud t o a cc om pl is h h is g oa ls .

N um be r t wo , h e' s c au gh t o n t he t ap e w hi sp er in g,

tr yi ng to -- in a h us he d v oi ce t ry in g t o o bt ai n a

f ra ud ul en t M ex ic an p as sp or t f ro m a b el ie ve d c a rt el

m em be r, j us t l ik e h is b ro th er , w ho w as t ry in g t o o bt ai n

a f ra ud ul en t M ex ic o d ri ve r' s l ic en se . N ot hi ng g oo d i s

g oi ng t o c om e o ut o f h is a tt em pt t o o bt ai n a f ra ud ul en t

M ex ic an p as sp or t, a nd I s ho w - - I t hi nk , a ga in , i t s ho ws

a n i ns ig ht i nt o h is m in d t ha t f ra nk ly w e j us t d on 't h av e

in a lo t o f cases, and I think it should c ause a ll of us

a g re at d ea l o f c on ce rn a bo ut f li gh t r is k.

E qu al ly , i f n ot m or e c on ce rn in g, i s t he f ac t t ha t

he has no job . He has no money, at least ins ofar a s h e

c on vi nc ed J ud ge W or mu th t o a pp oi nt h im c ou ns el b ec au se

he was indigent. He has no wife. He has no children.

H e h as no a ss et s. A nd h is c lo se st i mm ed ia te f ami ly is

lo ck ed in j ai l f or w ha t c ou ld b e a v ery l ar ge a mo un t o f

time.


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A nd , Y ou r H on or , a s h e d ig es ts a nd a pp re ci at e s

t he s tr en gt h o f t he c as e, i f h e h as n' t a lr ea dy , a nd t he

c on se qu en ce s o f c on vi ct io n - - a nd t he re a re i n de ed h ar sh

c on se qu en ce s i n t hi s c as e. H e' s c ha rg ed i n - - I b el ie ve

i t' s a t l ea st n in e c ou nt s, n am ed i n a t l ea st n in e o ve rt

a ct s. T he re 's a lw ay s t he p os si bi li ty o f a sk in g f or

c o ns e cu t iv e s e nt e nc e s, i f h e 's c o nv i ct e d.

R eg ar dl es s o f t ha t, t he a dv is or y g ui de li ne r an ge

i s s om ew he re in th e 7 0- t o 9 0- mo nt h r an ge. A nd i t' s

g oi ng t o b e a ll - - a nd a ls o, t he f or fe it ur e

r am if ic at io ns a re q ui te l ar ge h er e.

N ow , g ra nt ed , i t' s p ro ba bl y h is p ar en ts t ha t h av e

th e m os t s ta ke i n t he s ei zu re o f t he - - in l os in g t he

p ro pe rt y, b ut t ha t' s w he re R em in gt on h as l i ve d a n d

worked for a fair bit of his life and is g oing t o

ha ve - - t he l on g s to ry s ho rt i s t ha t h is l if e as he

k no ws i t c ou ld n o l on ge r b e t he s am e, a nd i t a ll g ive s

h im l it tl e i nc en ti ve t o s ti ck a ro un d a nd e v er y i nc e nt iv e

t o f le e a nd s ta rt a n ew l if e e ls ew he re .

A s f ar as hi s d an ge ro us ne ss , w e r es t on w ha t w e

sa id i n t he b ri ef s. T hi s i s w ha t - - h is l iv el ih oo d h as

b ee n s el li ng g un s; a nd i f t he l as t y ea r h as s ho wn

a ny th in g, i t' s t ha t h e' s s el li ng t he m i ll eg al ly . S o

w hi le w e d on 't h av e a c ry st al b al l, a nd we c an 't t el l

ex ac tl y w ha t he 's g oi ng t o d o i n t he f ut ur e, I t hi nk h is


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p as t c on du ct s ho ul d p re di ct w ha t h e' s g oi ng t o d o, a nd I

t hi nk t ha t's go in g t o b e a ny th in g h e c an t o g et b y.

A ls o c on ce rn in g a re h is f at he r' s s ta te me nt s a bo u t

f or mi ng a m il it ia , h av in g a f re e- fo r- al l, k ee p s ho ot in g ,

k ee p s ho ot in g p eo pl e, s om e o f R em in gt on R ee se ' s

s ta te me nt s a bo ut h is - - h ow f iv e g uy s c ou ld e as il y w ip e

o ut a w ho le g ro up o f p eo pl e a nd h ow p ro fi ci en t h e i s,

a nd h e' s p re tt y m uc h a s g oo d w it h o ne s em i- au to A R- 15 a s

m u lt i pl e g u ys w i th f u ll - au t o A R -1 5 s.

I n t he en d, t hi s C ou rt n ee ds t o b e su re t ha t, if

r el ea se d t od a y, R em in gt on R ee se i s g oi ng t o b e a r ou nd

t om or ro w a nd i s n ot g oi ng t o c au se a ny d an ge r, a nd h e' s

g oi ng t o b e a ro un d t om or ro w t o f ac e t he se c ha rg es . A nd

f ul l c on si de ra ti on o f d et en ti on f ac to rs t el ls u s t ha t h e

w on 't b e a nd t ha t h e n ee ds t o b e d et ai ne d p re tr ia l.

I t' s h ar d to t al k a bo ut t hi s c as e a nd n ot t hi nk

a b ou t t h e C o lu m bu s g u n- t ra f fi c ki n g c a se e a rl i er t h is

y ea r a nd i nd ic te d a bo ut s ev en m on th s a go . W it ho ut a

d ou bt , t he C ou rt n ee ds t o m ak e a n i nd iv id ua li ze d

a ss es sm en t a s t o R em in gt on R ee se , b ut s om e o f t he

f ac to rs t ha t w er e p re va le nt w it h I an G ar la nd , t he o th er

S ou th er n N ew M ex ic o g un d ea le r w ho i s f ac in g a s im il ar

f e de r al f i re a rm s -t r af f ic k in g i n di c tm e nt l i ke t h is , a n d

s om e o f t he o th er p eo pl e f ro m t he C ol um bu s c as e, s ha re d

a l o t o f t he s am e c ha ra ct er is ti cs t ha t R em in gt on R ee se


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has.

L ik e t h e R ee se d ef en da nt s, M r. G ar la nd a nd

s ev er al o f t he o th er p eo pl e i n t he C ol um bu s c as e, t he y

h ad n o c ri mi na l h is to ry . L ik e R em in gt on , I an G ar la nd

a nd o th er s h a d s ig ni fi ca nt t ie s t o t he c om mu ni ty , a n d

t he y h ad a b ig , s up po rt in g f am il y t he re f or t he m. L ik e

R em in gt on R ee se , t he y' d r un a b us in es s i n t he a re a a nd

ha d b ee n p ar t o f a c om mu ni ty f or q ui te a l on g t im e.

B ut , a ls o l ik e R em in gt on , I an G ar la nd w as a g un

d ea le r w ho s ol d g un s k no wi ng ly t o t he M ex ic an c ar te ls

a nd c om mi tt ed v er y s im il ar o ff en se s. A nd f or t ho se

r ea so ns , b ot h J ud ge L yn ch a nd Y ou r H on or o rd er ed h im

d et ai ne d a s b ot h a f li gh t r is k a nd a d an ge r, a nd I' d a sk

t ha t R em in gt on b e d et ai ne d f or a l ot o f t he s am e

reasons.

A nd f ur th er mo re , R em in gt on i s e ve n m or e o f a

f li gh t r is k, I b el ie ve , t ha n I an G ar la nd b ec au se o f s om e

o f t he t hi ng s I hi gh li gh te d e ar li er . H e d oe sn 't h av e a

w if e, k id s, h om e, j ob . A nd f ur th er mo re , h e' s a tt em pt ed

t o o bt ai n a f ra ud ul en t M ex ic an p as sp or t. A nd t ha t' s

ju st a f ac to r t ha t, I t hi nk , l oo ms i n t he c as e a nd i s a

p ro bl em i n t er ms o f h im f le ei ng .

S o, Y ou r H on or , t h at 's a ll w e h a ve r ig ht n ow. I

k no w t he re w a s a p ur po rt ed t hi rd -p ar ty c us to di an

m en ti on ed i n f ro nt o f J ud ge W or mu th . A nd s ho ul d t he


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C ou rt b e i nc li ne d t o r el ea se R em in gt on R ee se , I w ou ld

j us t a sk f or a b ri ef o pp or tu ni ty t o a sk t ha t p ur po rt ed

t h ir d -p a r ty c u st o di a n a f e w q u es t io n s.

T HE CO UR T: M r. R ub in o?

M R. R UB IN O: G oo d a ft er no on , Y ou r H on or .

T HE C OU RT : G oo d a ft er no on .

M R. R UB IN O: I , t oo , j us t r ec ei ve d a c op y o f

t he u pd at ed r ep or t. A nd i n a dd it io n t o t he n ot at io n y ou

m en ti on ed a bo ut t he v eh ic le , i n p ar ag ra ph 1 , t he l as t

s en te nc e s ti ll c on ta in s a n e rr or , w hi ch s ay s t ha t h e w as

a p ri or r es id en t o f N ew Y or k, N ew Y or k, i n 2 00 7.

H e's never been to New York. He tells me he' s

n ev er b ee n e as t o f t he M is si ss ip pi . H is g ra nd mo th er ,

wh o is a r et ir ed m em be r o f t he b ar , w as t he a pp ro ve d

t hi rd -p ar t y c u st od ia n. I 'v e c on fi rm ed i t w it h h i m t ha t

h e' s a lw ay s l iv ed h er e, i n L as C ru ce s a nd i n D em in g.

H e' s n e ve r l i ve d i n N ew Y or k. S o I w ou ld o ff er t ha t

p ro ff er , a nd I c an p ut t he g ra nd mo th er o n i f t he C ou rt

w an ts t o t al k t o h er .

F li gh t a nd d an ge r, J ud ge W or mu th h as a lr ea dy

h ea rd u s o ut on al l o f t he se t hi ng s a nd r ul ed t ha t t he re

a re a c om bi na ti on o f c on di ti on s t ha t w il l e ns ur e t ha t h e

i s n ot a f li gh t ri sk , t ha t h e w il l a pp ea r, a nd t ha t a ny

d an ge r t o t he c om mu ni ty p os ed b y t he f ac t t ha t h e' s

c ha rg ed w it h c er ta in c ri me s c an b e a dd re ss ed . T ho se


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w e re t h ir d -p a rt y c u st o di a n, t h e g r an d pa r en t s, w h o l i ve

i n K in g st o n, w hi ch i s r ur al , H il ls bo ro , S ie rr a C o un ty ,

wi th t he m at al l t im es a nd a n a nk le b ra cel et. A nd w hen

h e' s n ot , y ou k no w, c lo se e no ug h f or t he a nk le b ra ce le t,

t ha t h e' s - - d ur in g d ay li gh t h ou rs , h e' s w it h h is

g ra nd mo th er o r g ra nd fa th er , w ho w il l p ut h i m t o w or k.

T he re i s t he a va il ab il it y o f e mp lo ym en t i n t he

l an ds ca pi ng s er vi ce , i n t he b us in es s t he f a mi ly r un s u p

t he re , a nd t h e g ra nd fa th er i s a v ol un te er f ir em an a n d

ca n p ut h im t o w or k i n t ha t r eg ar d.

H is t ra ve l i s r es tr ic te d. J ud ge W or mu th e ve n

p os ed i t t o m e, wo ul d I b e w il li ng t o d o t he t rav el in g,

to dr ive u p t o visit him when it came time to talk to

him, an d I said yes. So that his travel w ould b e

r es tr ic te d o nl y t o c om in g t o c ou rt h ea ri ng s. H e w ou ld

o t he r wi s e n o t l e av e t h e H i ll s bo r o- K in g st o n a r ea .

H e d oe sn 't h av e a p as sp or t. S o t he re 's n ot hi ng

t o s ur re nd er . N o d ru gs , n o a lc oh ol , n o f ir ea rm s,

e l ec t ro n ic m o ni t or i ng , a l l t h e u s ua l t h in g s.

T he c ha rg es t he ms el ve s, a s t he g ov er nm en t h as

n ot ed , d on 't g iv e r is e t o t he p re su mp ti on , s o t he y

s ho ul dn 't b e a ll ow ed t o b oo ts tr ap i t s im pl y b y, y ou

k n ow , i n vo k in g e m ot i on s .

A ll c ha rg es t ha t c om e h er e i nt o t he f ed er al c ou rt

sy st em ar e s er io us . B ut I s ub mi t t o y ou t ha t t her e' s a


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l ot o f r ea so na bl e d ou bt o n t he se e xc er pt s o f w ha t

th ey 'v e g iv en y ou f or t ra ns cr ip ts . N ot -- in my r ev iew

o f r ea di ng i t a nd w ha t I l is te ne d t o, w hi ch w as g iv en t o

me o n aud io C Ds, there is not a single, "Okay . If you

w an t t o c ir cu mv en t t he l aw , d o i t t hi s w ay ."

H e w as a sk ed a q ue st io n, a nd , a s a ny s al es ma n

w ou ld d o, he e xp la in ed t he l aw . A ny t im e I 'v e w an te d t o

p ur ch as e a f ir ea rm , I 'v e r el ie d o n t he s al es ma n t o g iv e

m e t he ri gh t pa pe rw or k t o f il l o ut , t o a sk f or t he

c or re ct i de nt if ic at io ns a nd t o t el l m e t ha t I 'm d oi ng i t

r ig ht o r d oi ng i t w ro ng . T ha t' s a ll h e d id .

T he c om me nt a bo ut f in ge rp ri nt s o n t hi ng s, i f

y ou ' re s o c av al ie r a bo ut y ou r f in ge rp ri nt s b ei ng o n

s om et hi ng , t ha t s ay s y ou 'r e n ot c om mi tt in g a ny c ri m e, o r

a t l e as t y ou d on 't t hi nk y ou 'r e d oi ng a ny th in g w ro n g,

b ec au se y ou 'r e n ot w or ri ed a bo ut i t c om in g b ac k a t y ou .

A ll o f t he se s ta te me nt s c an s wi ng b ot h w ay s, a nd

u lt im at el y w e' re g oi ng t o h av e t o h av e a f in de r o f f ac t

m a ke t h os e d e ci s io n s.

B ut f or t he p ur po se s o f d et ai ni ng h im a t t hi s

s ta ge , I r es pe ct fu ll y r eq ue st - - s ub mi t t ha t i t' s n o t

e no ug h. H e' s o nl y b ee n c ha rg ed w it h c on sp ir ac y o n t he

f al se s ta te me nt s , c on sp ir ac y o n t he s mu gg li ng a nd

c on sp ir ac y o n t he m on ey l au nd er in g, a nd t he s um t ot al o f

h is o ve rt a ct s a re s im pl y a ct in g a s a s al es ma n, a


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s al es ma n g iv in g c or re ct a dv ic e, a s al es ma n g iv in g

l eg al - - l eg al ly c or re ct a dv ic e. A s al es ma n w ho d oe sn 't

v ol un te er i nf or ma ti on a bo ut h ow t o a lt er a w ea po n w he n ,

f ro m w ha t I r ea d a nd h ea rd , w as k in d o f t he i nv it at io n

h e w as g et ti ng f ro m t he u nd er co ve r a ge nt , s ho ws n o

m en s r ea.

H e d id n't sa y, t hi s - - w he n h e w as a sk ed a bo ut

c on ve rt in g s om et hi ng t o a s em ia ut om at ic i nt o a f ul l y

au to ma ti c, h e d id n' t t el l t he m h ow t o d o i t . He d id n' t

tell them how to purchase it. He kind of shoved it off

t o t he s id e w it h t he c om me nt o f, " Yo u kn ow , I c an d o

b e tt e r w i th a r e gu l ar s e mi a ut o ma t ic w e ap o n. "

Y ou k no w, a nd t ha t m ad e m e t hi nk , a ny v et er an o f

V ie tn am e ra c an r em em be r t ha t w he n t he M -1 6 c am e o ut , i t

w as f ul ly a ut om at ic , a nd U .S . t ro op s c ou ld n' t h it t h e

s id e o f a b ar n a nd w er e w as ti ng a mm un it io n, a nd t ha t h ad

t o b e a lt er ed t o s em ia ut om at ic a nd a m ax im um o f

t hr ee -r ou nd b ur st s. O r a ny bo dy w ho k no ws t he ir h is to ry

k no ws t he T ho mp so n s ub ma ch in e g un h as s uc h m uz zl e r id e ,

y ou c an 't c on tr ol i t.

S o t el li ng h im , " I c an d o b et te r, " wi th a

b as ic -i ss ue w ea po n i n s ta nd ar d s em i m od e i s n ot a c ri me .

I t' s n ot s ol ic it in g a c ri me . I t' s n ot t el li ng s om eb od y

ho w to c om mi t a cr im e. I t' s j u st a c om me nt a bo ut

s o me b od y w h o' s p r of i ci e nt .


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T HE C OU RT : A ll r ig ht , Co un sel . M ov e on .

M R. R UB IN O: O ka y. T ha t' s it , Yo ur H on or.

N ot hi ng h as c ha ng ed s in ce w he n w e w er e i n f ro nt o f J ud ge

Wormuth.

I r es pe ct fu ll y r eq ue st t ha t t he c om bi na ti on o f

c on di ti on s a re a de qu at e. T he g ra nd mo th er i s a r et ir ed

me mb er of th e b ar , a b us in es s w om an u p i n t ha t a re a.

T he re i s a v er y c lo se r el at io ns hi p b et we en g ra nd mo th er

a n d g r an d so n .

Y ou ' ll n ot ic e i n t he m at er ia ls h e d id n' t f i ni sh

9 th g ra de a nd t ha t t he re 's a n i nd ic at io n o f h ea lt h

p ro bl em s d ue t o b ei ng b or n p re ma tu re ly . I n a dd it io n t o

t he p hy si ca l p ro bl em s n ot ed t he re t ha t g av e r is e t o

s ur ge ry w he n h e w as a y ou ng er b oy , t he re 's a l ea rn in g

disability . He dropped out in 9th grade. But i t w as

h is g ra nd mo th er t ha t s at d ow n w it h h im a nd m ad e s ur e h e

w en t t hr ou gh t he s te ps h e n ee de d t o t o a tt ai n h is G ED .

T he re 's a v er y c lo se r el at io ns hi p t he re .

Y ou k no w, h e' s n ot g oi ng t o r un a wa y f ro m f am il y.

H e d o es n' t s pe ak a w or d o f S pa ni sh . H e' s n ot g oin g to

M ex ic o. I r es pe ct fu ll y r eq ue st t ha t J ud ge W or mu th 's

c on di ti on s a re a pp ro pr ia te , a nd I w ou ld a sk t ha t y ou

o rd er t ha t h e b e r el ea se d p ur su an t t o t ho se c on di ti on s .

T HE CO UR T: W ha t d id h e w an t a f al se M ex ic an

p as sp or t f or , i f h e c an 't s pe ak S pa ni sh ?


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M R. R UB IN O: Y ou r H on or , w ha t I 'm t ol d i s h e

w as i nq ui ri ng i n t he b us in es s t ha t h e i s t ra in in g f or ,

w hi ch i s - - h as to d o w it h b ei ng a n a rm or er , a s h e' s

c er ti fi ed b y G lo ck a nd S mi th & W es so n, a ls o i nt o

b od yg ua rd w or k; a nd t he b es t b od yg ua rd s ch oo l i s i n

I sr ae l. B ut n ob od y w an ts a n I sr ae li s ta mp i n t he ir

p as sp or t i f t he y c an a vo id i t, b ec au se t he n t he y c an 't

g o i nt o t he A ra b p ar t o f t he w or ld w ith ou t h av in g a

t ar ge t p ai nt ed o n t he m.

S o h e w as r ea di ng t ha t k in d o f s tu ff in h is

m at er ia ls t ha t h e w as l ea rn in g f ro m, a nd h e w as a sk in g

t ho se q ue st io ns o ut o f k no wl ed ge .

H e d oe sn 't e ve n h av e a U .S . p as sp or t a nd w as

w on de ri ng i f t he re i s a w ay t o q ua li fy f or a no th er

p as sp or t. B ut h e d id n' t t ak e a ny a ct iv e s te ps . He

di dn 't as k t he p er so n t o g et h im o ne , di dn 't a sk h im

wh at 's it go in g to c os t. I t w as a n i nq ui ry b ec au se he

h ad l ea rn ed t ha t h av in g a n I sr ae li s ta mp w o ul d d an g er ou s

m o vi n g i n M i dd l e E a st e rn c o un t ri e s.

T HE C OU RT : T ha nk y ou . A ny th in g el se ,

Mr. Lichvarcik?

M R. L IC HV AR CI K: J us t t o c le ar t wo o r t hr ee

t hi ng s u p, h e 's n ot j us t c ha rg ed w it h c on sp ir ac y c ou nt s.

H e' s a ls o c ha rg ed i n s ub st an ti ve c ou nt s, C o un ts 1 3, 1 6,

1 8, 21 , 2 5 a nd 2 8 o f 1 8 U SC S ec ti on 5 54 , s mu gg li ng g oo ds


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f ro m t h e U ni te d S ta te s.

W he n h e' s t al ki ng a bo ut f ul l a ut o a nd t he t ri gg er

p ac k a nd c oa ch in g, h e' s n ot j us t c oa ch in g a P au l R ub in o

of f t he s tr ee t w ho 's c om in g i n t o b uy gu ns a nd a mm o.

H e' s c oa ch in g a g uy w ho 's t el li ng h im , " I' m t ak in g t hi s

s tu ff d ow n t o M ex ic o. T he p eo pl e d ow n i n M exi co l ik e

t h e f u ll - au t o g u ns . "

T he n R em in gt on s ay s, " We ll , l et m e t el l y ou a bo ut

t ho se . T ho se a re h ar d t o c on tr ol ."

S o t hi s i s a ll i n t he c on te xt o f s pe aki ng t o

so me on e w ho w as a c ar te l m em be r b ac k i n 2 01 0 a nd t he n i s

c oo pe ra ti ng w it h t he g ov er nm en t, b ut R em in gt on s ti l l

b el ie ve s t ha t h e 's a c ar te l a ss oc ia te .

S am e t hi ng g oe s w it h t he M ex ic an p as sp or t. T hi s

i s R em in gt on R ee se a sk in g a M ex ic an f or ei gn m in is tr y

o ff ic ia l a bo ut , " Si r, h ow d o I g et a M ex ic an p as sp or t? "

I t' s i n t he c on te xt o f s pe ak in g t o a b el ie ve d

c ar te l m em be r o n t he h ee ls o f a c on ve rs at io n a bo ut t he

c ar te l m em be r s ay in g, " I' d l ik e t o b uy $ 24 ,0 00 w or th o f

f ir ea rm s f or t he p eo pl e i n M ex ic o, a nd I w an t t o

s tr uc tu re i t i n t hr ee s ep ar at e p ur ch as es o f $ 8 ,0 0 0

each."

T he m R em in gt on c al ls t he c ar te l m em be r b ac k a n d

says , " You know what? Hey" -- and we have it here.

I t' s p re tt y s ho rt , i f t he C ou rt w ou ld li ke to s ee t he


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v id eo p or ti on . H e b a si ca ll y s ay s, " He y, h ow h ar d i s i t?

M y b ro th er i s t ry in g t o g et t ha t M ex ic o d ri ve r' s

license . How hard is it for me to get a Mexican

passport?"

A nd t he n o ur g uy s ay s, " Yo u n ee d a Me xi ca n

passport?"

H e s ay s, " Ye s, I n ee d a M ex ic an p as sp or t." S o

h e' s a sk in g a b el ie ve d c ar te l m em be r t o g et h im a n

under-the-table Mexican passport.

S o, j us t t ho se t hr ee p oi nt s.

T HE C OU RT : T ha nk y ou . M r. L ic hv ar ci k, w e

w en t t hr ou gh t he C ol um bu s t hi ng , a nd , t he n , n o w, y ou

k no w , J ud g e W or mu th h ea rd a ll o f t he o ri gi na l m ot io ns

h er e . O bv io us ly J ud ge W or mu th s aw a d if fe re nc e b et we en

t ho se d ef en da nt s t ha t h e d et ai ne d a nd t hi s y ou ng m an .

A rt ic ul at e f or m e w ha t h e s aw a s t he d if fe re nc e.

M R. L IC HV AR CI K: I t hi nk w ha t J ud ge W or mu th

sa w is th e y ou ng es t g ro up o f t he f am ily . M r. R ub in o

ma de a bi g p oi nt , t he s am e p oi nt t ha t h e j us t m ad e r ig ht

now: H e o nly has a 9th grade education . He alludes t o

th e f ac t t ha t, y ou k no w - - t he b as ic g is t o f i t i s, he 's

t ry in g t o s ay , a nd I t hi nk J ud ge W or mu th b el ie ve d, t ha t

R em in gt on R ee se w as s or t o f t he y ou ng es t o f t he g ro up ,

t h e l e as t s o ph i st i ca t ed , p o ss i bl y t h e l e as t

i nt el le ct ua l; a nd t ha t, t he re fo re , h e w as r ea ll y m ay be


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j us t a f ol lo we r, a nd h e w as n' t o ne o f t he o ne s l ea di ng

this.

A nd J ud ge W or mu th d id n' t h av e t he v id eo a nd t he

audio i n fron t of him like Your Honor does . And I think

w ha t t ha t a ud io a nd v id eo s ho ws i s t ha t i t s ho ws t ha t

R em in gt on R ee se i s n ot t he s im pl e- mi nd ed ,

9 th - gr ad e- e du ca ti on p er so n t ha t M r. R ub in o i s t ry in g t o

p ur po rt . H e' s a ct ua ll y a s op hi st ic at ed , r e al ly s ma rt

ki d, a nd i t c om es o ut v er y c le ar ly i n t he a ud io an d

v id eo w he n y ou h ea r h im t al ki ng .

F ur th er mo re , h e' s n ot j us t a f ol lo we r. In a lo t

o f t hi s a ud io a nd v id eo , i t' s a ct ua ll y R em in gt on R ee se ,

n ot w it h h is p ar en ts r ig ht b eh in d h im . R em in gt on R ee se

an d t he c ar te l m em be r a re i n a c or ne r o f t he s to re

t al ki ng . S o t hi s i s o ne -o n- on e, R em in gt on a nd t he

c a rt e l g u y.

W he n R em in gt on i s r ep ac ka gi ng t he a mm un it io n o n

t he f ir st u nd er co ve r o pe ra ti on , h e' s d oi ng i t h im se lf .

H e' s a ct ua ll y t ak in g b ox es a nd b ox es o f a mm un it io n, a nd

h e' s u nl oa di ng t he m, a nd t ha t' s w he n h e m ak es t he

c om me nt s o f, " We ll , y ou k no w, m y f in ge rp ri nt s a re n' t " - -

y ou k no w, " I d on 't c ar e i f m y f in ge rp ri nt s a re o n

these."

A nd t he y t al k a bo ut , " We ll , t he y' re g oi ng t o g et

b ur ne d o ff a ny wa y w he n t he y' re f ir ed ," a nd , " T he se


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b ul le ts " - - y ou k no w, " Do n' t w or ry . T he y' re n ot g oi ng

t o c om e b ac k t o y ou ," b ec au se t he y' re g oi ng t o s ta y i n

M e xi c o, e s se n ti a ll y , o n d e ad b o di e s.

A ga in , h e' s c o ac hi ng . H e' s n o t t he

u n so p hi s ti c at e d, u n in t el l ec t ua l p e rs o n t h at I t h in k

M r. R ubi no i s p or tr ay in g h im t o b e a nd I t hi nk J ud ge

W or mu th b el ie ve d h im t o b e.

I t hi nk a no th er t hi ng t ha t J ud ge W or mu th s aw w as

th at h e - - I th in k h e w an te d u s t o a rti cu la te , b y c le ar

a nd c on vi nc in g e vi de nc e, w hy w e c ou ld s ay R em in gt on w as

g oi ng t o g o n ec es sa ri ly a nd s el l g un s u nd er t he t ab le .

A nd I d on 't t hi nk t he d an ge ro us ne ss o r f ra nk ly t he

f li gh t- ri sk a rg um en t n ee ds t o b e l im it ed t o t ha t k in d o f

circumstance.

T he re 's a l ot o f d if fe re nt t hi ng s, I t hi nk , t ha t

c ou ld b e d an ge ro us . A nd , I t hi nk , y ou k no w, w he n w e

c on si de r h is f at he r, R ic k R ee se 's , s ta te me nt s a bo ut t he

m il it ia a nd , " Wh en t hi s w ho le t hi ng g oe s d ow n, i t' s j us t

g oi ng t o b e a f re e- fo r- al l. W e j u st g oi ng to be

s ho ot in g p eo pl e, a nd w e' re g oi ng t o s ay , ' Go t m or e

am mo ?' ' Ye ah , I g ot i t. ' ' We ll , k ee p s ho ot in g, '" yo u

kn ow , I t hi nk i t's s af e t o a ss um e t ha t a s on i s g oi ng t o

f ol lo w i n h is f at he r' s f oo ts te ps , e sp ec ia ll y w he n a s on

a nd a f at he r l iv e b as ic al ly o n t he s am e l an d t og et he r

a nd w or k i n t he s am e s ma ll b us in es s t og et he r, w it h t he


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s am e k in d o f f ir ea rm s a nd e ve ry th in g t ha t t he y' re

t al ki ng a bo ut u si ng w he n t hi s s it ua ti on m el ts d ow n,

w ha te ve r t he s oc ia l m el td ow n i s.

A nd a ga in , a no th er t hi ng t ha t J ud ge W or mu th w ou l d

no t h av e h ad , t ha t Y ou r H on or w il l h ave , i s, I t hi nk ,

s o me e v id e nc e a b ou t t h e p r op o se d t h ir d -p a rt y c u st o di a n ,

i n t e rm s o f s om e j a il c al ls . A nd w e b e li ev e t h at i t

w as - - w e d on 't k no w f or s ur e, b ut o bv io us ly R em in gt on 's

g ra nd mo th er c ou ld t el l u s i f t hi s i s h er t al ki ng . I t' s

h er a nd R ic k R ee se , a nd t he y' re e ss en ti al ly t al ki ng

a bo ut h ow t he y' re g oi ng t o f il e a c iv il a ct io n f or f al se

i mp ri so nm en t, a nd t he y h op e t he r ec or di ng h ea rs t ha t,

a nd t he y' re g oi ng t o g et t hi s t ak en c ar e o f, a nd t he y' re

a ll g oi ng t o b e m il li on ai re s, i nc lu di ng R ic k a nd h is

so ns . An d t he n th ey t al k a bo ut t he F as t a nd F ur io us

c as e u p i n A ri zo na .

A nd t he n y ou h ea r s om eo ne , w ho I t hi nk i t' s

R e mi n gt o n' s g r an d fa t he r , i n t h e b a ck g ro u nd s a yi n g, y o u

k no w, " Yo u g uy s a re t ot al ly t he s ca pe go at f or t hi s.

T he y 'r e t ak in g t he ir " - - e xc us e m y l an gu ag e - - " T he y' re

t ak in g t he ir d um b- as s s hi t o ut o n y ou ."

A nd I t hi nk i f t ha t' s r ea ll y t he t hi rd -p ar ty

c us to di an s t al ki ng , I t hi nk t he C ou rt s ho ul d h ea r t ha t ,

an d I t hi nk i t g oe s t o d ir ec tl y t o w het he r or n ot t he y

t ru ly w ou l d b e s ui ta bl e t hi rd -p ar ty c us to di an s , a nd t ha t


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i s p eo pl e w ho t ak e t he se c ha rg es s er io us ly a nd w ou ld

b e w il li ng - - I t hi nk i t s ho ws t ha t t he y' re n ot t ak in g

t he c ha rg es s er io us ly . I t hi nk i t s ho ws t ha t t he y' re o f

t he b el ie f, a s w el l, t ha t t hi s i s s om e b ig , a nt i- ne w

d ea l , a nt i -R ee se g ov er nm en t c on sp ir ac y j us t t o g e t t he m.

A nd I t hi nk t ha t a ls o s ho ws , a s t hi rd -p ar ty

c us to di an s, t he y m ay b e l oa th e t o r ep or t t he ir s on a nd

t he f ac t t ha t m ay be h e v io la te d h is c on di ti on s o f

r el ea se a nd t he n t ur n h im o ve r t o t he v er y a ut ho ri ti es

t ha t t he y t hi nk a re c on sp ir in g a ga in st t he ir f am il y .

S o t ho se a re a f ew t hi ng s t ha t J ud ge W or mu th d id

no t h av e i n f ro nt o f h im .

A nd , a ga in , I d on 't k no w e xa ct ly w ha t J ud ge

W or mu th s aw d if fe re nt ly i n R em in gt on R ee se . I t hi nk

h e' s j us t as m uc h o f a f li gh t r is k a s h is b ro th er , R yan .

I t hi nk h e's j us t a s m uc h o f a f li gh t ri sk , i f n ot m ore ,

as his mom an d his dad.

S o i t' s h ar d f or m e t o r ea ll y a rt ic ul at e t he

d if fe re nc e, b ut I 'v e t ri ed m y b es t t o s ta te w ha t I t hi nk

J u dg e W o rm u th ' s d i st i nc t io n w a s.

THE COURT: Thank you. With all due respect

t o J ud ge W or mu th , I 'm g oi ng t o d et er mi ne t ha t, b as ed o n

t he n at ur e a n d c ir cu ms ta nc es o f t he o ff en se , a

p ar ti cu la rl y d an ge ro us o ff en se - - a nd I 'v e t al ke d a bo ut

t hi s i n a no th er f ir ea rm s c as e. T hi s i sn 't s mu gg li ng


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p ro du ce i nt o M ex ic o. I t' s s mu gg li ng p ro du ct s o f d ea th

an d m urd er . An d I 'm i mp re ss ed b y t he s tr en gt h o f t he

case.

M y c on ce rn a bo ut t he p ar ti cu la r d ef en da nt i s

h e ig h te n ed b y t h e r e qu e st f o r a d di t io n al i n fo r ma t io n

a bo ut o bt ai ni ng a M ex ic an p as sp or t. H e h as n o j ob. H is

i mm ed ia te f am il y i s, t o a l ar ge e xt en t, i nc ar ce ra te d o n

p ar ti cu la rl y s er io us c ha rg es , a nd I 'm g oi ng t o f in d t ha t

h e c on ti nu es t o b e a d an ge r t o t he c om mu ni ty ; a nd g iv en

o ur p ro xi mi ty t o t he b or de r, c on ne ct io ns h e m ay o r m ay

n ot h av e i n M ex ic o, t he a tt em pt t o s ec ur e t he p as sp or t,

I 'm g oi ng t o f in d t ha t t he re a re n' t c on di ti on s t ha t c an

b e f as hi on ed t ha t w il l s ec ur e h is f ut ur e a pp ea ra nc es .

W it h t ha t be in g t he c as e, I 'm g oi ng t o h ol d h im

p e nd i ng t r ia l .

A nd a s a lw ay s, I 'm g la d t o, u nd er t ho se

c ir cu ms ta nc es , e xp ed it e t he m at te r o n t he d oc ke t ,

a cc or di ng t o c ou ns el 's r eq ue st . A nd i f t he re a re a ny

a dd it io na l f ac to rs t ha t I h av en 't h ad b ro ug ht t o m y

a t te n ti o n, I ' m a l wa y s w i ll i ng t o r e co n si d er .

M r. L ic hv ar ci k p re pa re t he o rd er , p le as e. A nd

w e' l l b ee n i n r ec es s.

[ P ro ce ed in gs c on cl ud ed a t 1 :4 1 P M. ]


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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I , J en if er L . R us si n, C CR # 18 2, a C er ti fi ed

C ou rt R ep or te r, d o h er eb y c er ti fy t ha t t he p ro ce ed in gs

o f t he a bo ve - en ti tl ed c au se w er e r ep or te d b y m e

s te no gr ap hi ca ll y o n S ep te mb er 1 9, 2 01 2, a nd t ha t t he

w it hi n t ra ns cr ip t i s a t ru e a nd a cc ur at e t ra ns cr ip ti on

o f m y s ho rt ha nd n ot es .

I F UR TH ER C ER TI FY t ha t I a m n ei th er a n

a tt or ne y n or c ou ns el f or , n or r el at ed t o o r e mp lo ye d b y

any of the parties to the action, and that I am not a

r el at iv e o r e mp lo ye e o f a ny a tt or ne y o r c ou ns el e mp lo ye d

b y t he p ar ti es h er et o, o r f in an ci al ly i nt er es te d i n t he

action.

J en if er L . R us si n, R DRC e rt i fi e d C o ur t R e po r te r # 1 82L ic en se E x p ir es : 1 2/ 3 1/ 2 01 2


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