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Monday Night Part 1

PropositionsResolved:Resolved: The scriptures The scriptures teach that the alien sinner is teach that the alien sinner is forgiven of his past sins by faith forgiven of his past sins by faith only, before and without water only, before and without water baptismbaptism

Affirm:Affirm: Gene Cook Jr. Gene Cook Jr.Deny:Deny: Bruce Reeves Bruce Reeves

Resolved:Resolved: The scriptures teach The scriptures teach that water baptism is essential in that water baptism is essential in order for the alien sinner to order for the alien sinner to obtain the forgiveness of his past obtain the forgiveness of his past sins.sins.

Affirm:Affirm: Bruce Reeves Bruce ReevesDeny:Deny: Gene Cook Jr. Gene Cook Jr.

What We Are & Are Not Denying

What we are denying:What we are denying:1.1. That salvation is That salvation is

unconditional – unconditional – (2 Pet 3:9)(2 Pet 3:9)

2.2. That men are justified by That men are justified by faith faith ONLYONLY – – (James 2:24)(James 2:24)

3.3. That That baptism is a baptism is a nonessentialnonessential to salvation! to salvation! (1 Peter 3:21)(1 Peter 3:21)

What we are NOT What we are NOT denying:denying:

1.1. That God is the one That God is the one who saves.who saves.

2.2. That salvation is by That salvation is by GRACEGRACE through – through – FAITH:FAITH: (Eph 2:8,9; (Eph 2:8,9; John 3:16; Rom 5:1; John 3:16; Rom 5:1; Heb 11:6)Heb 11:6)

The The Nature Nature

of of saving saving FaithFaith

The The Nature Nature of manof man

TheTheNature Nature of Godof God

This Discussion Is About – Three Points God's Universal Love and desire to save all men.

The faith that submits to God’s sovereign will

by obeying Him.

Mans ability to respond to God’s love by choosing

saving faith.

Salvation By Faith – “Faith” Passages

These passages tell us that we are saved by faith!

John 5:24;

John 3:15,16;18,36

John 6:47;

John 8:24;

Acts 10:43;

Acts 15:9;

Acts 16:31;

Romans 5:1;

Ephesians 2:8,9

1 John 5:10-13

We accept them ALL!

Hebrews 11:6

Which passage teaches salvation by FAITH ONLY? (James 2:14-24)

Questions for Monday Night

1. True or False: “God unconditionally chooses who will be saved, and this leads to the logical conclusion that as a result of His not choosing others, He creates them and never gives them an opportunity to be saved.”

2. If unconditional election be true, what is God’s motivation for not saving the majority of mankind: ______

a) God is NOT powerful enough to provide them with a way of salvation.

b) God does NOT love them enough to provide them a way of salvation.

3. True or False: “Jesus Christ died for the sins of every human being.”

4. True or false: “An elect infant who dies in his infancy will be saved.”

5. Is the baptism of Romans 6:3-6; Galatians 3:27; and Colossians 2:12 necessary for forgiveness of past sins? Yes or No

Acts 8:12-17 - What Put The Samaritans Into Christ?

• The Samaritans were saved and “The Samaritans were saved and “in in ChristChrist” in Acts 8:12. Yet, they had ” in Acts 8:12. Yet, they had onlyonly been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ – been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ – (i.e. water baptism, Acts 10:47,48)(i.e. water baptism, Acts 10:47,48)

• They had received no miraculous measure They had received no miraculous measure of the Holy Spirit! (thus no Holy Spirit of the Holy Spirit! (thus no Holy Spirit baptism had occurred!) – (Acts 8:15-17)baptism had occurred!) – (Acts 8:15-17)

• Water baptism is the baptism of Romans Water baptism is the baptism of Romans 6:3-6; Galatians 3:27; & 1 Corinthians 6:3-6; Galatians 3:27; & 1 Corinthians 12:13 which PUTS one INTO Christ! 12:13 which PUTS one INTO Christ!

Romans 6:3-6; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Romans 6:3-6; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:26,27Galatians 3:26,27

The will of God – Jesus wants all men to Come to Him – Mat. 23:37

Matthew 23:37 (NKJV) "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,

the one who kills the the one who kills the prophets and stones those prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather often I wanted to gather

your children together, as a your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not her wings, but you were not

willingwilling! BUT - We Must Be Willing!

God Is Not Partial – Whoever Fears Him Acts 10:34,35

Acts 10:34-35 (NKJV) Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth

I perceive that God shows no partiality.

[35] But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is

accepted by Him.

Man MUST respond to

God’s love & grace!

God Is Not Partial– Commands All Men To Repent – Acts 17:30

Acts 17:30 (NKJV)

Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but

now commands all men everywhere

to repent,

Man MUST respond to


God Is Not Partial – Desires All To Come To A Knowledge of Faith – 1 Tim. 2:4-6

1 Tim. 2:4-6 (NKJV) who desires all men to

be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. [5]

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ

Jesus, [6] who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

Man MUST respond to


The will of God – For All Men to Repent – 1John 2:1,2

1 John 2:1-2 (NKJV)

. . . [2] And He Himself is the propitiation for

our sins, and not for ours only but

also for the whole world.

Those who were currently Christians as

well as everyone

else!

Salvation By Grace Through Faith – Ephesians 2:8-10 Text

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NKJV)

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it

is the gift of God, [9] not of works, lest anyone should boast. [10] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for

good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Salvation By Grace Through Faith – What is The Issue – Conditional?

The Issue Is:The Issue Is:• Are there any

conditions that the alien sinner must meet in order to be saved by God’s grace?

(Either (Either UnUnconditional or conditional or

Conditional!)Conditional!)

(Ep 2:5, 8)

“By grace have ye been

saved”

(Rom 3:24)

“Being justified

freely by his grace”

Of FaithOf Faith1 Thes 1:3; James 1 Thes 1:3; James

2:14-262:14-26((Defines the kind of Defines the kind of

faith that savesfaith that saves))

Works Used in Different Ways

Of MeritOf MeritEphesians 2:8; Ephesians 2:8;

Titus 3:5Titus 3:5

A System of Sinless A System of Sinless PerfectionPerfection

Romans 3:27; 4:2-8; 11:6Romans 3:27; 4:2-8; 11:6

Salvation By Grace Through Faith – What is The Gift?

And that ().Neuter, not feminine

, and so refers not to (feminine) or to (feminine also), but to the act of being

saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. (A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New

Testament, p. 525).

What is the gift, what What is the gift, what is “IT”- (“It is the is “IT”- (“It is the gift . . . gift . . . not “they not “they are”)are”)Grace – Grace –

Faith, Faith,

SalvationSalvation that comes by that comes by grace through grace through faith?faith?

Salvation By Grace Through Faith - Joshua 6:2, 14 - Grace

Joshua 6:2 (NKJV) And the Lord said to Joshua: "See! I have given Jericho into your hand,

its king, and the mighty men of valor. . . . [14] And the second day they marched around the city once

and returned to the camp. So they did six days.

Salvation By Grace Through Faith - Joshua 15,16 - Grace

Joshua 6:15-16 (NKJV) But it came to pass on the seventh day that they rose early, about the dawning of

the day, and marched around the city seven times in the same manner. On that day only they marched around the city

seven times. [16] And the seventh time it happened, when the priests blew the

trumpets, that Joshua said to the people: "Shout, for the Lord has given you the

city!

Salvation By Grace Through Faith - Joshua 6:20 – Grace – Does Obedience Nullify Grace?

Joshua 6:20 (NKJV) So the people shouted when the priests blew the trumpets. And it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout,

that the wall fell down flat. Then the people went up into the city, every man

straight before him, and they took the city.

Did their Did their obedience obedience

nullify God’s nullify God’s GRACE?GRACE?

Gal 2:20,21; 3:1 Hebrews 11:30

The Walls of Jericho Fell By?

A) Grace Only?

B) Faith Only?

C) Works Only?

D) By Grace Through a Faith that obeyed?

______

______DD

Romans 1:5 - obedience to the faith (beginning)

Are we Are we justified by justified by the Law of the Law of

Works Works ((sinless sinless

perfectionperfection) ) or the Law of or the Law of

Faith (Faith (the the gospel which gospel which

provides provides forgivenessforgiveness)? )?

(3:27)(3:27)

Romans 1:5 (NKJV)

Through Him we have received grace and apostleship

for obedience to the faith among all nations for His

name,

Romans 6:16-18 – obedience unto righteousness (Middle)

Romans 6:16-18 (KJV)

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? [17] But God be thanked, that ye were

the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. [18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the

servants of righteousness.

Romans 16:26 - for obedience to the faith- (End)






(3:27)(3:27)

Romans 16:26 (NKJV)

but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic

Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according

to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience

to the faith--

Romans 4 –& Two systems – Rom 3:27






(3:27)(3:27)

Romans 3:27-28 (NKJV)

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of

works? No, but by the law of faith. [28] Therefore we

conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds

of the law.

Romans 4:2-3






(3:27)(3:27)

Romans 4:2-3 (NKJV)

For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to

boast about, but not before God. [3] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God,

and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Romans 4:4,5






(3:27)(3:27)

Romans 4:4-5 (NKJV)

Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace

but as debt. [5] But to him who does not work but

believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is

accounted for righteousness,

Romans 4:6-8






(3:27)(3:27)

Romans 4:6-8 (NKJV)

just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart

from works: [7]"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; [8] Blessed is the man to whom the

Lord shall not impute sin."

Romans 4 – Works Not Equal To Obedient Faith






(3:27)(3:27)

Works Obedience[3] . . . Abraham believed God, and

it was accounted to him for righteousness.” [dikaiosune],

[5] . . . his faith is accounted for righteousness, [dikaiosune],

[6] . . God imputes righteousness [dikaiosune], apart from works.

Romans 6:16-18 . . . obedience leading to righteousness? [dikaiosune],

James 2:14 (NKJV)

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone

says he has faith but does not

have works? Can faith save him?

Kind of Faith that saves – James 2

Faith That Faith That Doesn’t Doesn’t

savesave

Inactive

Unfruitful

Disobedient

Incomplete

Dead

Faith That Faith That Does saveDoes save

Active

Fruitful

Obedient

Complete

Alive

James 2:14 (NKJV)




Exegesis of James 2:20-22

James 2:20-26 (NKJV)

But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac

his son on the altar? [22] Do you see that faith was working together with his

works, and by works faith was made perfect?

James 2:14 (NKJV)




Exegesis of James 2:23-24?


[23] And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God,

and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the

friend of God.

[24] You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Genesis 22:5,12,16,18,19

not by faith only

James 2:14 (NKJV)




Exegesis of James 2:25,26?


[25] Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them

out another way?

[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead

also.

Washing of Regeneration - Titus 3:4-5

Titus 3:4-5 (YLT) Titus 3:4-5 (YLT)

and when the kindness and and when the kindness and the love to men of God our the love to men of God our Saviour did appear [5] (not Saviour did appear [5] (not

by works that [are] in by works that [are] in righteousness that we did righteousness that we did

but according to His but according to His kindness,) He did save us, kindness,) He did save us,

through a bathing of through a bathing of regeneration, and a regeneration, and a

renewing of the Holy Spirit, renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Divine initiative Divine initiative • KindnessKindness• LoveLove• MercyMercy

Saved when?Saved when?

Not due to Not due to works of works of

righteousnrighteousnessess

• Washing of Washing of regeneration regeneration (i.e. (i.e. baptism)baptism)

• Renewing of the Renewing of the Holy SpiritHoly Spirit

Acts 2:38; John 3:5; Acts 2:38; John 3:5; Eph. 5:26Eph. 5:26

Mr. Cook Vs. The Holy Spirit 1 Peter 3:21

The propositionThe proposition

Resolved:Resolved: The scriptures teach that the The scriptures teach that the alien sinner is forgiven of his past sins by alien sinner is forgiven of his past sins by faith only, before and without water baptismfaith only, before and without water baptism

1 Peter 3:21 (NASB)

And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God

for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of

Jesus Christ,

Luke 7:30 (NASB) Luke 7:30 (NASB)

But the Pharisees But the Pharisees and the lawyers and the lawyers

rejected God's purpose rejected God's purpose for themselves, not for themselves, not

having been baptized having been baptized by John. by John.

God's Purpose and Water Baptism...God's Purpose and Water Baptism... Luke 7:30

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