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Page 1: Spiritual Gifts Lesson 11: Spiritual Gifts The Elephant in the Room

Spiritual GiftsSpiritual Gifts

Lesson 11: Spiritual Gifts

The Elephant in the Room

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“We believe that some gifts of the Holy Spirit such as speaking in tongues and miraculous healings were temporary. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism nor of the filling of the Spirit, and that the deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection (Acts 4:8, 31; Romans 8:23; 1 Cor. 13:8).” http://www.dts.edu/about/doctrinalstatement/

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I.I. IntroductionIntroductionA. My experienceB. Why is this topic an important

matter?1. It has been the source of

division2. It will encourage or restrict the

use of certain gifts3. It could greatly contribute to

evangelism

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4. We see these gifts in other countries and contexts

5. It bears on our faith and relationship to the Holy Spirit

6. There are good people on both sides

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II. A Brief OverviewA. PentecostalismB. The “Charismatic Movement”C. Notable exceptions (early Non-

cessationists):1. A. W. Tozer 2. Martyn Lloyd-Jones

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“I agree with the words of Martyn Lloyd-Jones, preached in 1965:

It is perfectly clear that in New Testament times, the gospel was authenticated in this way by signs, wonders and miracles of various characters and descriptions. . . . Was it only meant to be true of the early church? . . . The Scriptures never anywhere say that these things were only temporary – never! There is no such statement anywhere.” (John Piper, “Signs and Wonders, Then and Now”)

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D. The “Vineyard Movement”1. John Wimber2. Jack Deere3. Sam Storms4. Wayne Grudem5. John Piper6. Vern Poythress

E. Dan Wallace (“The Uneasy Conscience of a Non-Charismatic Evangelical”)

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III.III. Caught in the middleCaught in the middleA. Definition of Cessationists and Non-

cessationistsB. The Cessationist position

1. Rightly critical of excesses and abuses among charismatics in the realm of spiritual gifts

2. I’m encouraged by Dan Wallace’s challenge to Cessationists

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3. Find Non-cessationist definition of prophecy very troubling

4. Nevertheless, I find Cessationist arguments less than compelling

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C. Areas of agreement with Non-cessationists:1. Cessationist arguments are less than

compelling2. It is difficult to know how to

distinguish between “temporary” and “permanent” gifts – where do you draw the line?

3. Sign gifts are not just to accredit the apostles

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4. Could these be the “last days”?5. Signs and wonders reinforce the

preaching of the gospel6. Some Cessationists act like they

doubt that God acts powerfully today through His Spirit

7. Are we inconsistent in our prayers for missionaries?

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D. My problem with Non-cessationists regarding their definition of prophecy

“. . . the gift of prophecy is a very different thing than the verbally inspired speech of the apostles and prophets who wrote Scripture. It is based on a spontaneous revelation from the Holy Spirit, but it is fallible and in need of sifting because our perception of the revelation and our thought about it and our delivery of it are all fallible.” (John Piper, “Why the Gift of Prophecy is Not the Usual Way of Knowing God’s Will”)

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Piper on the Supremacy of Scripture:

“Let me begin by affirming the finality and sufficiency of Scripture, the 66 books of the Bible. Nothing I say about today’s prophecies means that they have authority over our lives like Scripture does. Whatever prophecies are given today do not add to Scripture. They are tested by Scripture. Scripture is closed and final; it is a foundation, not a building in process.” (John Piper, “The Authority and Nature of the Gift of Prophecy”)

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My Concerns:

If “prophecies” today are to be tested by the Scriptures, which have supreme authority, then why would we not let these Scriptures define prophecy?

Deuteronomy 13Deuteronomy 18

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There is much emphasis on the supremacy of Scripture, and assurances that this new kind of prophecy – a prophecy about which I cannot be certain, and which may well be flawed – does not take precedence over Scripture. Thus, I am told, this new “prophecy” can never replace, or revise or override the inspired revelation of the Scriptures. But if this is so, if the Scriptures are supreme, then why are they not regarded as supreme in the definition of prophecy which they give us?

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It is clear that Piper himself recognizes problems with this new definition of prophecy:

 

“Now I have already tipped my hand that I think Grudem is right about the meaning of New Testament prophecy. But I want to say here at the outset that even if he is wrong that this kind of thing is what New Testament prophecy was, the experience may still be valid, and we just should not call it the gift of prophecy .” (Using our gifts in Proportion to Our Faith, Part I – Oct. 10, 2004)

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“We don’t need to agree on whether to call this experience “prophecy.” (John Piper, “Using our Gifts in Proportion to Our Faith, Part 1 – October 10, 2004)

[Notice that this is one of Piper’s late lessons on “prophecy,” rather than one of his early (1990) messages – after more than 10 years of reflection] 

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  If, as Paul works very hard to demonstrate, prophecy is the greatest gift, then why is a new, watered-down definition of prophesy so desirable?

If, in the last days, prophecy will again occur, will it be the “new prophecy” of today, or will it be the “old fashioned prophecy” of the Bible?

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  Part of the uniqueness of the gift of prophecy is that it (unlike the other gifts) must be perfect (inspired and inerrant). If so, then isn’t the acceptance of a new definition of prophecy (which expects flaws) robbing this gift of its unique contribution?

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 IV.IV. My most difficult problem in 1 My most difficult problem in 1

Corinthians:Corinthians:

I maintain the strictest, most conservative definition of prophecy, and yet the epistles (including 1 Corinthians) appear to deal with prophecy as though it were a common, everyday experience. How do I reconcile the “everyday” feel of prophecy in 1 Corinthians with the exclusive feel of prophecy in Deuteronomy 13 and 18, and even in the Book of Acts?

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 Solutions:

The epistles were written before the canon of Scripture was closed or completed.

The apostles were still living, and their authority was under attack.

1 Peter 4:10-11

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V.V. ConclusionConclusion

A. I don’t believe either view is totally correct

B. Polarization has not been productiveC. Be grateful that both sides have moved

toward each other, and are talking graciously

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D. To Non-cessationists1. Let the Bible be the ultimate authority for

defining spiritual gifts2. Reject any definition which not only fails to

square with Scripture, but in fact reverses Scripture. (If prophecy in the Bible must be without error, then don’t call something prophesy and then prepare me to expect error.)

3. Don’t water down spiritual gifts.4. Insist the gifts be exercised biblically

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E. To Cessationists:1. Be aware that strict cessationism is

saying, “We have no need of you” to certain members of the body

2. Don’t be closed to God working powerfully today, indeed pray and expect that He may do so

3. How are we praying?

Copyright © 2007 by Community Bible Chapel, 418 E. Main Street, Richardson, TX 75081. This is the edited PowerPoint Presentation in the Spiritual Gifts series prepared by Bob Deffinbaugh for November 11, 2007. Anyone is at liberty to use this presentation for educational purposes only, with or without credit. The Chapel believes the material presented herein to be true to the teaching of Scripture, and desires to further, not restrict, its potential use as an aid in the study of God’s Word. The publication of this material is a grace ministry of Community Bible Chapel.