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provided the following information: ,]advised he hasbeen a commercial airline pilotsince 1976. He startedwith Western Airlines and became a pilot!with Delta Airlines in 1987 when Western was merged with Delta;Airlines.I hdvised theattack on theWorld Trade Centerand the Pentagon this week caused him to recall anunusual incidentwhich took place overa year agoduring one of his flights. ;

I [statedhe felt hemade several major mistakes and despitethe fact he may receive retribution from his company,to whomhis hasrelated this information, he felt he needed to relay this story totheFederal Bureauof Investigation. ;"n /-,.,,.,a 9/11 Personal Privacy

I {statedon thedate ofAugust 11, 2000 he was ona trip with Delta Airlines which originated iriSalt Lake Citv. Hewas theCaptain and hisFirst Officer was| \estatedin the afternoon, exact time unrecalled, they weregetting ready tofly a 767-200 commercial aircraft from Atlanta to Ft.Lauderd?le.i btated usually they have around 1/2 hour toprepare theplane and he wasvery busy going through the checklist of items.He stated he had completedthe list, the passengershad boarded andthey weregetting ready for pushoff when a gate agent stepped intothe cockpit and told himthey had a "jumpseater here". Hestatedit waspermissible for off duty pilotswith his airline or othersto ride in the iumoseat in the cockpit when the rest of the; seatswere taken. These pilots were usually traveling on a free passaccepted among all airlines. When apilot wanted to use thejumpseat. they usually had tofillout a form intriplicate andshowthree forms of Identification to include a picture ID, an FAAcertification card and acurrent FAAmedical form. Hestated theman, who was standing outside the cockpit, told him he was a pilotwith Lufthansa Airlines in Germany and he had lost his picture IDalong with his ticket in his luggage whenhe switched flights inNew York. He stated he had traveled from Germanythat morning andhe wasgoing to Ft.lauderdale, Florida to receive training on a757/767 airliner. Hestated he hadjust flownon a Delta iumoseatfrom his previous destination which Ashworth recalled to be New

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Continuation of FD-302 of I x-|.- ,On 9/13/01 .Page 2York. The man wasvery polite, well spoken witha slight Europeanaccent and neatly groomed. Hedisplayed fromawallet, his FAAcertification, his medical form and also snowed him a LufthansaAlthough none of the items bore his photographJfelt his storywas legitimate but was not sure they couldkeforeign pilots on a lumoseat. Another gate agent came up andgave him some paperwork to review a/id sign. While she was there heasked her to go back and cheek the flian through theicomputer tocorroborate his story. She came back and told him she checkedandhe wasQualifiedF Iwasgoingfecheck/his 0il0lmanual tosee if he could take a foreign pilot-but there was so much thatneeded to be handled at the last minute, he was unable to do so.He told the man to sit in the lumbseat and they finished theirfinal checks.!""" fcould not recallwhat He did Wjthithe formhe received from the gate agent regarding the jumpseater. Hesaidhe usually put it down with other paperworkand he: believed afterthe flight he threw it out. Hestated the gate agent usually hadtwo other copies. He did not know what thegate agents did withtheir copies. He did not recalltrie name of the individual. Hestated during takeoff the man was very quiet and did hot ask anyquestions. After they leveledofft ilooked at hisimanualand realized foreign pilots were not allowed on the iumpseat. Herealized he may have violated a FAArule, but the person in theiumoseat may not have been worried because he thought the personmight not have realized it wasa procedural violation jn the UnitedStates.f" fetatad in Europeall foreign and dorjneslic pilotsare allowed to "jumpseat" on most airlines. Nevertheless, at thispolnl Inoticed asmall black tote bag theimaVi had layingonthe floor next to him. He stated he kept his eye on it during theflight but the man never touched it or opened it. i i I

I istatad either he or hisco-pilo^ initjiatejlconversation with the man and they spokeaboutigeneral;airline typeconcerns such as pay scales with different airlines. He stated theman seemed knowledgeable about different airlines isnd I Irecalled both he and his co-pilot were stunned to learnedsomeexperienced pilots were making as much as $400,000 working forSaudi Arabian airlines. He said the man never asked any technicalquestions and did not appear overly interested in the; operation ofthe aircraft. At one point he said something about looking forwardto flying 757/767 airplanes and indicated he was lucky to beableto do sowith' sofewyears with hisairline. I | ^got theimpression he had about threeyears with Lufthansa Airlines. Theydid not discussany other matters toI IrecoUectlon.]stated at no time did he leave the cockpit. After they

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Continuation ofFD-302 of | | ,On 9/13/01 .Page 3finished their meals delivered by the flight attendants, the manoffered totake them back. Itold hirn not oworry, heflight attendants would take them. He did not appear to beoffended and didnot show any interest ineaving* \statedthey had anormal approach and landing inFt.Lauderdale. |noticed as the man was departing the cockpit, the flight attendanthanded him a guitar case from the front airline closet.. This \t surprisedT 1since he thoughtthe flight andwalked outonto theramp. I tstated duringthe flight he initially contemplated calling ahead and havingsomeone from airport security meet the man when he amved::::He did;not do so after talking to the man because he felt he was p robab l y^ , ; ; .legitimate and it would have possibly caused him problems with the !'''-h>nFA A and his company for allowing the man to fly. " . . . .--/' 9/11 Personal

. . . - - " ' / ' Privacyi ladwlfiaa the only thing that made him questionthe m an's story about flying from G ermany that morning was that hewas wearing shorts. He stated most International travelers do notdress that way an d most American pilots dressed in a sport coat andtie when traveling. He stated the m an did,however, have a slight"5:00 shadow beard" which would be consistent with flying thatamount of time. Other than the observations of the shorts and theguitar, he stated the man did hot act in a suspicious manner.the man as follows:Name: Not recalledRace: CaucasianHt. 5'6" to 5'8"Wt.150-160Build- Slim, in good shapeHair- Dark, short, recent haircut ,

Ag e- Late 20's to early 30's .No facial hair, scars, marks, tatoosVoice- very slight European type accent.Clothing- Golf type shirt and shorts, neatly dressedI | could not recall thename of heman, thenumberor exact time O T the flight, the names of the gate agents or flightattendants. He stated he would try to locate the flight number Inhis computer and would report it to the FBI.

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M-INT-00045435265A-NY-280350-CI-1668 09/12/2001JIM CAMPRE:INCIDENT REGARDING ANOTHER PILOT RIDING JUMPSEATNCTA_004 (1st Batch of unredacted 302's delivered In August) .- ,265D-NY-280350-CI ..-""" yilLaw265D-NY-280350-IN ., PrivacyDLB:pas ...

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CAMP stated he is a pilot for UNITED AIRLINES.On September 7,2001, CAMPwasaboard flight number657, from Newark, New Jersey to Chicago, Illinois. The Captainin Commandof the flight was ROGER STRANTZ, who is based inDallas, Texas. STRANTZ approved another captain fromSKYWAYAIRLINES to fly in jump-seat as a part of a reciprocity agreementbetween the airlines which allows employees to fly on

competitors' airlines.CAMP advised that the protocol is the requestingcaptain must identify to the captain in command and present hisairline credentials as well as his pilot's license to gain accessto the jump-seat If it is available. CAMP advised thisinformation was input into the UNITED AIRLINES computerandshould contain the SKYWAY pilot's name, airline, and his startdate of employment.CAMP stated it is typical that all of thepassengersboard the aircraft first and then the requesting pilot presenthimself to the Captain in Commandat the cockpit and requests tobe seated in the jump-seat. CAMP described he individual fromSKYWAY AIRLINES, as a mddle-eastern male, 5'11",210-220 Ibs.,with dark balding hair and glasses, and large gaps in his frontteeth, and who he believes is in his 40's. CAMP advised thisSKYWAY pilot had a mddle-eastern name that hecould notpronounce. The SKYWAY AIRLINE captain knocked on thecockpitdoor, stepped inside and stood there acting very strange. TheSKYWAY pilot then asked the Captain in Command If hecould beseated in the jump-seat. CAMP told STRANTZ he was uncomfortablewith this pilot seated in the cockpit, so STRANTZ asked theSKYWAY pilot to have a seat in the passenger section of theaircraft. The SKYWAY AIRLINE pilot turned and left the cabincarrying a bag with him however,he left a blue insulated typebag in the cockpit. STRANTZcalledout to the SKYWAY pilot andtold him to take this bag with him andstore it with his otherbaggage. CAMP thought it was strange that a pilot would becarrying such a bagwith him, because it appeared to be a lunchbag or something to hold beverages,very small and insulated.CAMP discussed with STRANTZ that it was odd fora pilot to act insuch a manner.

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STRANTZ stated the aircraft taxied down the runwaywhere they sat for approximately 3 V 4 hours, until the pilot's timewas up and they were forced to returnto the gate. Upon openingthe aircraft doors, theSKYWAY AIRLINE pilot exited theaircranimmediately. CAMP thought nothing more of the incidentuntil therecent airline crashes in New York.The drafting Agent telephonlcallv contacted the FBI'sNewark Division duty Aoentl Jarid relayed theaforementioned information. ::::::::::>"9/ll Law EnforcementA facsimile of the FD-822. Information Control Formwas Privacyfaxed toSAI "1

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Date of transcription 09/28/2001On09/27/2001 ZakiYosef Alzgho, Jordanian Male, DateofBirth DOB:I Vwasadvisedof he dentity of theinterviewing Agents and the purpose of the interview. The purposeof the interview being toverify some information regardingAlzghol's travel plans in recent weeks.Alzghol advised that he is presently employed withTradewinds Airlines, 243A Burgess Road, Greensboro, North Caroina27409, and has been employed with Tradewinds since 03/06/2000.Alzghol isemployed n the positionof flight engineer and is next

in line for upgrade to first officer. Alzghol currently flies the300 airbus, and was typed in that aircraft in 1995 through theContinental Airlines TrainingAcademy.In late August andearly September, 2001, Alzgho hadtaken vacation and traveled back to Jordan to visit with hisfamily. Alzgho was scheduled back to work on09/1 1/2001 atapproximately 7:00 pm in SanFrancisco. On09/10/2001,Alzgholdeparted Ahman, Jordan o Tel Avive, Israelviagroundtransportation and wasdelayed in hisarrival in TeiAvivedue totraffic accidents. Because of the delay, Alzgho missed hisintended Delta flight into the United States U.S.. After missinghis Delta flight, Alzghol umpseated on a Continental flight out ofTel Avive to Newark, New Jersey arriving at approximately 4:15 amon 09/1 1/2001.Alzghol contemplated taking United flight #94 out ofNewark directly to San Francisco becausehe did not want to be latefor work. However, Alzgho needed topick up his lap top computerand other equipment left at his apartment in Dallas, Texas prior togong towork. Alzgho finally decided to take aContinentalflight directly to Dallas, pick up his equipment and then go fromDallas to San Francisco.Alzgho traveled toDallas on a iumoseatpass. Duringhis flight toDallas a flight attendant told the passengers thatbecause of a national emergency heywere instructedtolandimmediately in Memphis, Tennessee. Alzgho andother passengerslearnedof the terroristattack in New York when other passengers

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used alrphones and called family members. They were advised of thedetails by the Captain just prior to deplaning in Memphis. Afterarriving at his hotel in Memphis, Alzghol was watching the news andlearned that the plane he considered taking to San Francisco wasthe same plane that crashed into the Pentagon in Washington D.C.Alzghol wasstunned, and mentioned that It was hard to comprehendthe magnitude of the situation. Alzgholcould not believe that ifIt had not for his computer, hewould have perished in the hijackedplane that crashed into the Pentagon. Alzghol was stuck in Memphisfor a couple of days before finally renting a car and driving withanother Continental pilot back to Dallas.Alzghol provided the following information regarding hisbackground and education:Alzghol first came to the United States In 1978 on anF-1 student visa and attended Airline Mechanic Schoolat GlendaleCollege, Glendale, California obtaining a certificate InAviationTechnology AP mechanic certification. Alzghol was employedas anairplane mechanic which enabled him to get his private flightcertificate. Alzghol worked at various aviation related companiesin California from 1982 through 1992, during which time he alsoattended California Pol/technical Institute University, Pomona,California earning a Bachelors of Science Degree InAerospaceEngineering Technology June 1992. Alzghol was employed at severaldifferent corporate and charter airlines in both the U.S.andTurkey from 1992 - 03/2000 when he took the job with TradewindsAirlines. Alzghol Is type rated in the A300 airbus and Boeing727 with a total flight time of 4000 plus hours.Alzghol advised that he is a Naturalized U.S. citizen,his three children wereall bom in the U.S. and his wife is apermanent resident alien.Alzghol denied having any knowledgeof the personsresponsible for the terrorist attack In NewYorkand WashingtonD.C. Further, Alzghol denied being associated with anyone who wouldhave any knowledge of the terrorist plots against the U.S. Alzgholis a Suni Muslum denounced the actions taken by the terroristsresponsible for the attacks in New York and Washington D.C.Alzghol is sad that the terrorist attackshave given thecommoncitizen who is not familarwith Islam and/or the Muslim faith, themisconception that all Muslims are extremeist or terrorists.

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AZZAM ALI HASAM tANADllY dateofbirth I Iu rlace of birthi JU S alien registration numberIUS homeISaudia Arabia home telephone

I/as contactedat his residencereference FD-822 PD783. GANADILYwasadvised of the identitiesof the Interviewing agents and of the purpose of the interview,whereupon the following wasobtained:GANADILY advised that he Is employed as a pilot for

Saudia Arabian Airlines,also known as Saudia Airlines, and that heand his family reside primarily in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Inaddition, GANADILY maintains a residence in Gresham, Oregon,dueprimarily to the fact that the family of GANADILVs wife, LOUISAGANADILY, resides in the Portland, Oregon, area.GANADILY is a citizen of Saudia Arabia. His status inthe US s that of an alien resident. GANADILYadvised that hefirst entered the US on August11,1984, for the purpose ofattending school in the US. From 1984 to 1985, GANADILY attendedPortland Community College-Sylvania in Lake Oswego, Oregon. In1985 or 1986, GANADILY transferred to Portland State University,where he studied for approximately one year.In 1988, GANADILY eturned to Saudi Arabia. InJanuary,1990, GANADILY returned to the US, where heenrolled for flight

training atSierra Academy inOakland, California. GANADILYcompleted his courseof study atSierra Academy in February, 1991,after receivingvarious commercial and nstrument flight ratingsand becoming a certified flight instructor.GANADILY then moved to Hillsboro, Oregon, wherehereceived post-instrument flight training. GANADILY completed thistraining inAugust, 1991. InSeptember, 1991, GANADILY returned toSaudi Arabia, whereheattempted without successto findanaviation-related job.GANADILY again returned to the Portland area, where, inAugust, 1993, he receivedanassociate'sdegree inaviation from

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Continuation of FD-302 of ,On 11/09/01 , Page 2Mt. Hood Community College. In April, 1994, GANADILY was hired bySaudi Arabian Airlines, also knownas Saudia Airlines, as a flightinstructor at Saudia's flight training academy. GANADILY has beenemployed by Saudia since that time; at present, he is assigned as a747 First Officer.

GANADILY typically flies routes in the Middle East,Southeast Asia and the Far East On occasion, however, he flies toEurope and to the US,often as a crew member onso-called VIPflights hired by the Saudi Royal Family.GANADILY wasadvised that information received by the FBIindicates that GANADILY was among a group of Individuals,apparently of Middle Eastern heritage, for whom airlines ticketswere purchased by a Florida tour agency on a September 23,2001,flight from JFK Airport in New York City to Los AngelesInternational Airport LAX.GANADILY denied any knowledgeof such anoccurrence, and,after consulting his personal logbook, advised that he was inBombay, India, from September21-24,2001. GANADILY provided thename of anAmerican pilot, Captain GRAFF, as the pilot incharge ofGANADILVs crew at that time.GANADILY then wasadvisedof the names of otherindividuals identified as having been the intended recipients of

tickets purchased for the above-described flight. GANADILY advisedthat the names SALEM BEN HEMED, ABDUL RAHMAN QUDSI, and JEHAMAHALLAWI correspond to those ofpersons known to him as fellowSaudia pilots.GANADILY advised that he and the above-named Saudiapilots all were members of a VIP flight crew that entered the US atNewark, New Jersey, in May, 2001. After reviewing records in hispossession, GANADILY advised that he and the above-namedSaudiacrew members, along with another crew member named ZOHAIR MANUAL,entered the US at Newark, New Jersey, on May 20, 2001. The crewsubsequently flew fromJFK to LAX on May 23, 2001, via a UnitedAirlines flight, andreturned to Saudi Arabia aboard a SaudiaVIPflight from LAX to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, several days later.MANJAL did not accompany the crew to Los Angeles aboard the May23, 2001, JMsdAirlines flight.GANADILY then produced acopy of aSaudia AirlinesGeneral Declaration, which he described as a document furnished by

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Continuation of FD-302 of ,On11/09/01 ,Page 3each Saudia crew to immigration and customs authorities upon entrytothe US. The General Declaration, which is designed tofacilitate entry bySaudia flight crews into aforeign country,contains information concerning the flight and its crew, includingnames of crew members, purpose of the flight, and other relevantdata.

Review of the document shownby GANADILY to theundersigned agents indicated that GANAOILY, BEN HEMED, MAHALLAWI,and QUDSI allwere aboard aSaudia flight which entered the US atNewark, NewJersey,on May20,2001.It is noted that thedate of GANADILYs flight fromJFKto LAXwith the other above-noted Saudia crew members was May 23,2001; the date of the UnitedAirlines flight from JFK to LAX forwhich tickets reportedly were purchased for GANADILY, BEN HEMED,MAHALLAWI and QUDSI by a Florida tour company was September 23,

2001.GANADILY stated that, to his knowledge, Saudia Airlinesdeals directly with USairline companies when reserving flights forits crew members aboard USairlines' aircraft. GANADILY advisedthat, assuming the Information provided to the FBIconcerning thepurchaseof tickets for GANADILYand other Saudia crew memberswasmstaken as to the date of the flight, hestillcannot think of asituationwherein Saudia would purchase United Airlines tickets forits crew members through a US-based travel agency.GANADILY advised that further clarificationof SaudiaAirlines procedures relative to purchase of tickets aboard USairlines for Saudia crews possibly could be obtained throughcontact with Saudia's JFK dispatch center located above the SaudiArabian Airlines ticket counters in the JFK Delta Airlines

Terminal.GANADILY stated that, in his opinion, it wouldbeextremely difficult for anyone to assume the Identity of a SaudiaAirlines pilot Inorder to gain entry to the USunder falsepretenses or to gain access to the cockpit of another airline'saircraft. GANADILY explained that SaudiaAirlines does not haveagreementswith any US-based carriers, such as those which existbetween certain USairlines, whereina Saudia pilot can "deadhead"or ride in a cockpit iumoseat. Moreover, in GANADILVs opinion,immgration and customs controls at US points of entry are suchthat anyone attempting to use a Saudia employee's company ID likely

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would not be able to correctly answer questions posed to him or herconcerning the employee's previous entries into the US. Inaddition, GANADILY stated that, even if a person were able toobtain a false passport in a Saudia employee's name, Itwoulddifficult for that person to duplicate passport records pertainingto an employee's previous entries into the US.GANADILY advised that he has no information concerningpotential threats to the US or its citizens. GANADILY stated thathewould contact the appropriate authorities should he become awareof any such threat.

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BEGPRODNO : M-INT-00081284BEGBATES : 265A-NY-280350-302~49316DATE = 10/10/2001FBIDESCR : INTERIVEW OFRICHARD PAUL AMMERMAN, ICF SF3682INPUTBATCH : NCTA 004 (1st Batch of unredacted 302's delivered in August)FULLTEXT : 10/12/01Reference lead control number: SF3682RICHARD PAUL AMMERMAN.aka DICK AMMERMAN, DOEcurrently residing at/ " _J\ fwas located

interview at his residence. AMMERMAN Is a United Airlines pilotbased at San Francisco InternationalAirport, SanFrancisco,California. AMMERMAN, n the presence of his wife, LORIAMMERMAN,was apprised of the purpose of the interview and theidentity of the interviewing Agent. He thereafter provided thefollowing information:He has been employed as a pilot for United Airlines forapproximately seventeen years. He believes that he mayrecognizeasmany as four of the dead hijackers having been on one of hisflights between one and two years ago. It was anafternoonflight from San Francisco to Denver but he can not recalladditional identifying information. The first pilot, identity

unrecalled,was doing a standard "walk around" inspectionof theaircraft while he was making flight preparations seated alone inthe cockpit of the Boeing 757. He was briefly startled whenduring the boarding process he realized five or six MiddleEastern looking males, wearing casual western clothing, hadstepped into the area behind him n the cockpit. Thecockpit /door wasopen and it is not unusual for people to think they canwalk in part way and ook at the cockpit area of the aircraft. /On this occasion, themales started talking among themselves andseemed reasonably knowledgeable regarding flying an aircraft.One male asked another, "Is this a 757 or 7677". The other malecorrectly identified it as a 757. Another male "jokingly"jumped up anddown and said, Til fly it!" and the others justlaughed. This encounter lasted only a minute or two and broke upwhen the first pilot returned. The flight to Denverwaswithoutincident.He recalled the aforementioned encounter after theSeptember 11 terrorist attacks. About two weeks ago, he viewedthe photographs in the newspaperof the dead hijackers. Hebelieves he recognized the following:

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was closest to him in the group, standingdirectly behind his seat.) .3) SAEEDALGHAMDI, United Airlines Flight #S3. O- A?V(AMMERMAN believes he had no moustache on his v4) AHMEDALHAZNAWI, United Airlines Flight 93_.

(AMMERMAN believes he had no moustacheon hisfllahUAMMERMAN notified ED ECKHARDT. an investigator_foj_United Airlines headquarters inChicago, Illinois, telephonel-1

He doesnotknow if ECKHARDT wrotea report. ........ 19/11 Personal PrivacyHe also told his wife, LORI AMMERMAN. In a possibly /unrelated incident, yesterday morning around 10:0p.a;rri., October .9 2001ERIC MEEKER (see attached police report and separate FD302) a neighbor who lives directly acrossthe street, who kriowsthat he is a pilot for United Airlines, saw a van parked briefly,in front of his house. He was unable to note the llf.en.5fli TP.edriver waswearing a turban. MEEKER called thej. / IPolioeDepartmenf__Wi0 responded and interviewed MEEKER, The van

was no longer in the area. The Police Department notified .theFBI in San Francisco.AMMERMAN related that MEEKER, as requested bythe.Jnotified LORI AMMERMAN ater that eveningjndas a precaution she ; jdecided tospend the night with her sister in[_-1 / MiCalifornia because he RICHARD AMMERMAN was out of town. On the ;way to her sister's house she related the van sighting to her/cnn'al lAMMERMAN. age 15 and / ;/OD 5 ^ HHH MHMWMWMMMT~iiviivih.i\i*if-ii ,wgv . w . . ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^AMMERMAN, age 13. They both recalled that they had seen a ; isimilar van approximately five houses down the street as they j !packed the car around 7:00 p.m. for their overnight stay. LORI I jAMMERMAN immediately detouredforthe I IPolice i iDepartment. Thd Police Department interviey^d her, he;r j

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RICHARD P AUL AMMERMAN li)/iO/01 $ itwo oldest sons and notified the FBI of the additional Q , Iinformation see attached police report. / / !yilLawEnforcement Privacy

He advised that as a precaution, thel lha;d his fafnilv j ispend the evening of October 9,2001 at the Residence Inn, \, California. There have beenno additional incidents I or sightings of the vanat hisresidence. / i i i

AMMERMAN's twoolder -tnnsj ~l nL,J * anjivedhome from school, were briefly interviewed bySA| | but ;could add no additional information. |

AMMERMAN and his family were advised to attempt to jobtain a icense plate andnonetheless immediately not'ty JL.!and the FBI of any additional sightings of the vehicle. AMMERMANstated hewould also attempt to recall additional identifyinginformation regarding the date and the flight number of his SanFrancisco to Denver flight and any additional details for theFBI.

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The following information was obtained from AMMERMANthrough observation and interview:Name: RICHARD PAUL AMMERMAN, akaDICK AMMERMANRace:DOB:Sex:Ht:Wt:Hair:Eyes:AddreHomephonCell or

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has no political affiliations of any sort.Jstatstf steis a United States oltKenADsLL Jhas been employed by HUNTLEIGH SECURITY as aPre-Board Screener PBS or approximately one 1rnortth. Herusual days off are Friday and Saturday. .Her work shift runs from0500 through 1300 hours. She works the checkpoint at UN ITEDAIRLINES. . . - - - ' . - - - " , , /L Jworked on September 11,2001 but noticed

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Is angry that Americansget a thorough background completed onthem, but the aliens hired are not subjected to this backgroundbecause their records from other countriesare not available.She stated at the end of Marchand early April, HUNTLEIGH startedhiring Muslims and Arabs.| Icould not pinpoint any co-worker she felt 911PersonaPrivacymight be involved in the terrorist action of September 11,2001.

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On Tuesday, October 2,2001,1interviewed JACK KERNS.KERNS was interviewed because on September 24,2001, he came tothe SAC Office in Boston and dropped off material regarding hispossible observation of MOHAMED ATTA and others on a flight hetook to Washington. DC. in May of 2001 .KERNS was interviewed in

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\phone number is.and his social security number is\KERNS told me and provided documentation, in FD-340,that he had traveled from Logan Airport toWashington/Dulles onMay 18,2001. He was on United flight #1951, which left Bostonat 7:29 am. KERNS said that he was seated in the isle seat abouthalf way back in the coach section on the left side of the plane,-retefpfshows thathewas aissigned-seat""stated that two Middle Eastern looking men sat in the seatsdirectly across from him. He described the one in the isle seatas tall, over six feet, thin but muscular wearing a new lookingpurple or blue turban. Healso had a neatly trimmed beard andmustache. Hedescribed the other man as wearing a orange orreddish stripped turban, was about six feet tall and was/sort offat. Both menwere in their late thirties to mid forties. Bothspoke English and a second foreign language during the flight.KERNS said another Middle Eastern man entered the planeand sat a few rows in front of him. Hesaid that this man keptmoving his seat on the plane, had a thin sheen of sweat on hisface and repeatedly paced the aircraft after take off. At somepoint during the trip the two men in the seat next to him tooknotice of the man and asked "what is wrongwjth him, what is hedoing?" Later one of these men had a conversation with a fourthMiddle Eastern man who was asked to "...calm him down." Thisperson then went over to the agitated man, said something andwalked away. KERNS was shown the twelve photo array of theBoston hijackers and Identified MOHAMEOATTA as the man who keptmoving around the plane and had been asked to calm down. Usingthe same array he identified WALEEDALSHEHRI as the man whoapproached ATTA at the request of the twositting across fromhim. KERNS said he was 100% sure of these identifications.KERNS said that just before takeoff two other Middle

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Jack Kerns 10/02/2001Eastern men entered the plane and sat in the seats that faced thefirst class partition on his side of the plane. One of thesetwo, the one who sat in the window seat was described by KERNS asunder six feet tall, chubby, short mustache and beard with

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glasses. His age was estimated to be late twenties to earlythirties. Using the photo array KERNS identified this person asMARWAN ALSHEHHI. KERNS was less than 100% sure of thisidentification. KERNS stated that between the plane trip and thetime he saw them at thejpaggacie area he became convinced that al"Iffie^aBove'mentibnea'men weVe'fogefiierVecause iey spoke to eachother.KERNS said that while visiting the Jefferson Memorialhe observed some of the above individuals arriving and leavingthe area on one of the trolley tours. From the array he pickedFAYEZ BANIHAMMAD as being with the other men in the area of theJefferson Memorial.

MOHAMED ATTA n the Jamaica Plain area this past summer. Hesaidthat in late May or early June, sometime after his trip,heobserved ATTA in the area of Boston Clutch on Washington Street.KERNS said he went over to him and attempted conversation butATTA walked away in the direction of Green Street. Later in thesummer KERNS said that ATTA approached him as he was working atHattoffs Oil Company and asked him how much fuel the truck hewas servicing held. When KERNS made a comment about theWashington trip, he said ATTA just turned and walked away.A request was made for a copy of the manifest to theFBIoffice at United Airlines for flight #1951. I was old thatthe manifest would be faxed to the Boston Command Post.

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Date of transcription 01/31 /2002FERNANDO MURGA.Baaaaae Screener, Globe Security,IBoston. Massachusetts MA,wascontactedand advised of the nature of the interview and identity of the

the Spanish language: -::;:: ;:'/9/ll Personal PrivacyMURGA advised that in his capacity as a baggage screenerat Logan International Airport, he saw terrorist MOHAMMED ATTA atthe airport a fewweeksprior to 9/11/02. Hestated that he saw jATTA conversing wthanother Globe Security employee namedI IPhonetic. Itappeared oMURGA that ATTA andl Iknewother becauseof the way hey interacted. According toMURGA,C|s ofl Tarid routinely allowsArab passengers to passthrough security wthout the proper scrutiny.MURGA stated that his storycan be corroborated by anAmerican Airlines.efnployee named PAULINA OTERO. Heclaimed thatOTERO recently told him that she sawATTA at the airport talkingwith| |twoweeks prior o9/11/02.MURGA stated that he has reported his observations to themanagement of Globe Security but he believes they ignore hisallegations because they don't want controversy.

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10/30/2001On 10/12/01.ALVIN CASE, white male,DOE

was advised as to the identity of the interviewing agent and thenature of the interview. CASE advised as follows:In March, 2001, he was at LaganAirport. He was nearAmerican Airlines Security area on his way to go to the gate.CASE was looking at the monitor, and saw an individual staringback at him. This unknown Individual was put off by CASE'Sstare. They looked at each other for approximately ten seconds.Then this individual walked out the door. He had also beenstudying the monitor of arrivals and departures. He did not have

CASEwas shown photo spreadsof the five terrorists whohijacked American Airlines Right #11. CASE Identified WAILALSHEHRI, who is photo #1 on photo spread #3. He furtheridentified MOHAMED ATTA, who is photo #4 on photo spread #5.CASE stated that the individual he had seen at Logan Airport wasapproximately 6T. This person had longer hair, and was allerthan the biographical information provided by interviewing agent.The individual also had a gaunt face. CASEfelt that the photo"orAI iA was ne doSesl oJthe~pers6n"TfeluurseerFfei ne airport.On 10/15/01, CASE telephonically advised theinterviewing agent that he had flown out of Loaan Airport onMarch 1,2001. He flew on American TransAir Flight #626. Hewould have been at the airport between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m. on themorning of March 1, 2001. CASE stated that he can sketch

photographs, andwould sketch a picture of the person he saw atLogan Airport.

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