Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche talks about Karmapa's fake PredictionLetter by Situ Rinpoche1

Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche clearly expresses that the “Sacred Letter ofProphecy” Situpa fabricated in a 1992 meeting as the 16 th Karmapasindications concerning his rebirth is a fake.More infos on karmapa.controverse.free.fr orkarmapaissue.wordpress.com.

Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche talks about the time of the cremation of HH the16th Karmapa in December 1981

The next day after the cremation was a meeting. At that time the Rinpochesof all Kagyü schools were there. They excluded all the elders from themeeting and said „only we, the four [regents Shamar, Situ, Kongtrül andGyaltsab Rinpoche] will decide!“Nobody knew what they did, they kept it secret.

About the events during and after the meeting of the four regents in 1992when Situpa presented his „prediction letter“

1 To be heard on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5-GT5ovYOU

Later [in 1992] when they showed the letter, Shamarpa didn't accept it. Thenthey had a huge pproblem. Actually, Jamgön Kongtrül didn't accept it neither.They kicked out Shamarpa, decided to put the letter in a box, let Sakya Trizinopen it and filmed it.Jamgön Kongtrül wanted to go to Tibet to analyze the letter, but he diedbefore [in a car accident]. The biggest mistake was that they excluded the oldLamas [from the search for the reincarnation], as they would at least havesaid: „Don't fight!“[Shamarpa asked Situpa:] „Why did you hide the letter for years? You alwayshave lied!“ Shamarpa left the room.Situpa rejoiced. Jamgön Kongtrül had a doubt but said: „Let's go and see!“Everybody had a photocopy of the letter.Shamarpa's uncle [he speaks of his cousin Topga Rinpoche] had written arefutation of the letter. I've read it. The Karmapa Papers I've read from frontto back. I don't trust the letter but I think the reincarnation is fine. We did adrupchö [practice retreat] in Bhutan in front of Dilgo Khyentse's kudung.Copies of the letter were distributed. [in November 1992].

Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche adds:They showed me a photo of the boy and the letter. I said: „I read it quitecarefully – let it put it under my pillow!“ I slept about one hour and when Iwoke up I said: „The letter is fake, but the boy is OK.“ Situpa scolded me:„You shouldn't have said this!“Tashi Namgyal [Thrangu Rinpoche's cousin and the private secretary of HHthe 16th Karmapa and later generalsecretary of „Karmapa“ Ogyen Trinle]wasn't happy that I sayed this.

Again Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche speaking avout himself:About connection between Chokyur Lingpa and Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche,whos considered a emanation of the first:I told Shamarpa: „We are different – When Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo andChokgyur Lingpa flourished, you didn't even exist [the Geluk governmentbanned the enthronement of the Shamarpas], whereas Situpa existed, so nomatter what is right or wrong, my loyality will always be with Situpa.Shamarpa is a very high Lama, but we have no connection. In the wholetersar teachings of Chokgyur Lingpa there is not even a sloka [verse] relatedto Shamarpa.

About Chokgyur Lingpa's prophecy:This thangka existed in Gelak monastery and Dilgo Khyentse Rpx saw a cop,I saw a it as well.Situpa knew of this thangka and commanded me to bring the thangka [to

India]. I took it, showed it to the Dalai Lama and gave it to Situpa whoprinted it and distributed largely the copies . It became an important factor.Many people followed the Thangka and its prophecy – Thrangu, Tenga,Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche, to them it was more important then the opinion ofShamarpa or Situpa.”2

2Ugyen Tobgay talk about Karmapa's fake Prediction Letter by Situ Rinpoche, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5-GT5ovYOU