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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON STRUCTURAL AND PROXIMITY FIRE

FIGHTING PROTECTIVE CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT

October 7-8, 2014

San Antonio, TX

PRE-FIRST DRAFT MEETING, NFPA 1971, 1851

AGENDA

Starting Time 9:00, Tuesday, October 7, 2014

1. Call to order - Chairman Steve King

2. Introduction of members and guests

3. NFPA Staff Liaison report – Dave Trebisacci

4. Approval of Minutes – San Diego, CA, March 4-6, 2014 (Attachment 1)

5. Chairman’s remarks - Steve King

6. NFPA 1851 risk assessment - structural and proximity FF protective ensembles

7. Flame and heat resistance testing of accessories – Dan Melia

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8. Task Group reports

Risk Assessment - Earl Hayden

Helmets - Dan Melia

Gloves - Michael McKenna

Hoods - Jim Reidy

Cleaning/Disinfecting - Tim Tomlinson

DRD - Rick Edinger

Annexes - Robert Tutterow

9. Task Group breakout sessions as required

TGs to reconvene with TC at Chair’s direction

10. Old business

11. New business

2015 meeting dates and possible locations

12. Adjourn at close of business, Wednesday, October 8, 2014

MINUTES OF THE MEETING

TECHINICAL COMMITTEE ON STRUCTURAL AND PROXIMITY FIRE FIGHTING

PROTECTIVE CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT

San Diego, CA

4-6 MARCH 2014

PRE-FIRST DRAFT MEETING

4 March 2014

Agenda items 1 and 2: Call to Order, Introduction of Members and Guests

TC Chairman King called the meeting to order at 0900. Chairman King then called for an

introduction of members and guests.

The following members and guests were present:

Principal Members

Steven King Chairman

George Berger USMC/Systems Command

Paul Curtis L.N. Curtis & Sons

Tim Durby International Fire Service Training

David Fanning E.D. Bullard Company

Patricia Freeman Globe Manufacturing

Richard Granger Charlotte FD

Ira Harkness U.S. Dept. of the Navy

William Haskell NIOSH NPPTL

Earl Hayden IAFF

John Karban FireDex LLC

Steve Lakey Verified Independent Service Providers

Karen Lehtonen Lion Apparel

Michael McKenna Michael McKenna & Associates

Daniel Melia FDNY

Louis Ott Gentex Corporation

Tom Ragan Shelby Specialty Gloves

Jim Reidy Texas Association of Fire Fighters

John Rihn MSA

R. Robison NVFC

Jeffrey Stull International Personnel Protection

Tim Tomlinson Addison Fire Department

Robert Tutterow Fire Industry Equipment Research Org.

Alternates Members Present:

Kim Klaren (Voting Alternate) Fairfax County Fire & Rescue Dept.

Jonathan Fesik Fire Industry Repair Maintenance

Tricia Hock SEI

Pamela Kavalesky Intertek Testing Services

Michael Laton Honeywell

Amanda Newsom UL

Marni Schmid FIERO

Jeff Sedivec L.N. Curtis & Sons

Daniel Silvestri Verified Independent Service Providers

David Whiting IAFC

Guests Present:

Ray Russell Phenix Technology

Bill Brooks UniMac Laundry

Shaun Russell Phenix Technology

Angel Sanchez Phenix Technology

Charles Dunn Tencate Protective Fabrics

George Comer Tencate

Kirk Owen Tencate

Pierre Robert Stedfast

Kim Schoppa Fairfax County Fire & Rescue

Dick Weise L.A. County Fire

Dan Ertel L.A. County Fire

Rich Young DuPont

Harry Winer HIP Consulting

Tim Gardner 3M

Debra Martin Winsol Laboratories

Tim Porch 3M

Stephane Rousse Innotex

Diane Hess PBI Performance Products

Brian Shiels PBI Performance Products

Mark Williams W.L Gore

Bill Van Lent Veridian

Holly Blake W.L. Gore

Jennifer Wise W.L. Gore

Jim Walter Honeywell

Kathleen Rouse Teijin Aramid

Brian Marenco Honeywell

Scott Cheek Honeywell

Teresa Lawson Honeywell

Donald Holman MCSC

Nicholas Curtis

Guests Present (continued):

Joey Underwood Safety Components

Pat Woods FDNY

Jessie Gentry DFW Airport

Matt Elmore Bullard

Ron Bove W.L. Gore

Ed MacDonald Stanfield’s Life Liners

Stephen Asthalter Stanfield’s Life Liners

Scott Gohl Dragon Fire Gloves

Brooke Hildreth San Antonio Fire

Robin Royster UL

Harish Lilani NORFAB Corp.

Tom Flaherty Orafol

Chris Gaudette Orafol

Tom Hamma Heartland Fire & Rescue

Agenda Item 3: Staff Liaison Report:

David Trebisacci provided the NFPA Staff Liaison report. Dave reviewed the NFPA procedures

applicable to the business of the Pre-First Draft meeting and outlined the timeline associated with

the next editions of NFPA 1971 and NFPA 1851.

Agenda Item 4: Approval of the TC Minutes of St. Louis, MO meeting October 1-2, 2013:

Jeff Stull moved to amend the minutes to change the title of the Glove Task Group to Glove

Thermal Shrinkage Task Group, second by Jim Reidy. Committee discussed the motion and

approved the change.

Jeff Stull moved to approve the minutes as amended. Bill Haskell seconded. Motion approved.

[Note: this change was made to the online edition of the St. Louis meeting Minutes].

Agenda Item 5: Chairman’s Remarks:

Chairman King welcomed everyone to the meeting and outlined the day’s agenda. The chairman

noted that this meeting was a Pre-First Draft meeting.

Agenda Item Additional A: Presentation – Battalion Chief Brook Hildreth, Glove Sizing

Brook Hildreth, Battalion Chief, I-Women, discussed Firefighter Structural Glove Sizing

System. Please see Attachment A.

Agenda Item 6: Task Group Reports:

Robert Tutterow announced the Regional Fire PPE Workshop May 21, 2014 at DFW Training

Center.

Glove Thermal Shrinkage – Michael McKenna

o Chair Michael McKenna gave an update on meetings. Chairman King disbanded

this task group and appointed a Glove Task Group.

o Glove Task Group

Michael McKenna, TG Chair

Jeff Stull

Steve Corrado

Kelly Sisson

Karen Lehtonen

Harry Winer

Tricia Hock

Rich Granger

Helmets – Dan Melia

o Chair Dan Melia reported that the TG is moving forward with their tasks and that

there is room on the task group for another member or two.

Hoods – Jim Reidy

o Chair Jim Reidy reported that the TG is focusing on two issues related to hoods:

sizing and adding a barrier layer.

Cleaning/Decontamination – Tim Tomlinson

o Chair Tim Tomlinson noted that the task group is moving forward with a

prospectus to study gear soiling and cleaning.

DRD – Rick Edinger (Steve Lakey reporting)

o Steve Lakey reported for Chair Rick Edinger that the task group is proceeding

with reviewing DRD issues related to multiple designs and the impact on

usefulness.

Risk Assessment – Structural vs Proximity – Earl Hayden

o Chair Earl Hayden reported that the task group has met and will continue to meet

to discuss issues related to proximity gear requirements at airports.

Annexes – Robert Tutterow

o Chair Robert Tutterow reported that much progress has been made in creating the

test method annex, volunteers were sought for some sections and further progress

was made at this meeting.

Agenda Item 7: Task Group Breakout Sessions

TC to reconvene at 0900, Thursday, March 6 followed by TG breakout sessions Thursday

afternoon.

Agenda Item 8: TC Discussion – use of structural and proximity gear for airport fire

fighting

TC discussed the use of structural and proximity gear for airport fire fighting during the task

group report.

Agenda Item 9: Revision of ANSI/ISEA 107 High Visibility Apparel standard – Tim

Gardner

Tim Gardner discussed proposed changes to ANSI 107-2010 and ANSI 207-2011 and asked for

input and direction from firefighters. Please see Attachment B.

Agenda Item 10: Old Business

Two issues were discussed: the Wicker Test (Hot Water Immersion Test) and NFPA 1851

Section 8.2.3.4 related to limiting slit repairs to one width of seam tape.

As part of the Wicker Test discussion, a garment task group was formed. The members are:

Tim Durby, TG Chair

Pat Freeman

Amanda Newsom

Karen Lehtonen

John Karban

Kelly Sisson

Michael Layton

Kim Klaren

Brian Shiels

Agenda Item 11: New business

The next meeting was scheduled for October 7-8, 2014, location to be determined.

Agenda Item 12: Adjournment

Chairman King adjourned the meeting at 3:45 p.m. on Wednesday, March 5, 2014.

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Are we designing the safest firefighting glove we can?

Brooke HildrethBattalion Chief

i-women

Firefighter Structural Glove

Sizing System• To be able to perform the duties of

firefighter safely and efficiently, all gear must be well designed and fit properly.

• 2005-2009 : 7,695 injuries to arm and hand, 29% were burns

• Mike McKenna-”the most common underlying factor for hand burns seemed to be poor fit. “

NIOSH Firefighter Anthropometric

Study

• 2009-2012

• 4 different locations: MD, AZ, PA and TX

• 60 measurements per firefighter with and without their gear

• Hand measurements included: hand length, hand breadth, palm length, finger lengths, finger widths, thumb lengths and thumb widths

• NFPA lists glove sizes as XXS, XS, S, M, L, XL and XXL defined by finger and palm lengths and circumferences speculated to be 40 years old and not necessarily derived from firefighter measurements.

• Hand length = middle finger + palm length

• Glove sizing often uses 1 or 2, but not all three

NIOSH Firefighter Anthropometric Study (NFAS)

surveyed 951 FF on equipment f it.

30% of men and 62% of women reported problems with the

f it of their glov es

• A common comment was the gloves reduce dexterity, often citing the fact the gloves were too big and bulky, making it difficult to grasp small objects and work knobs on radios

• The gloves reduced their ability to grip and operate tools and equipment, hold handles and climb ladders

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• Mean hand length for male and female firefighters compared to the midsize value of NFPA 1971

• Male firefighters demonstrate longer hand lengths for sizes S, M and L. Only at XL do NFPA recommended sizes coincide.

• Female firefighters exhibit a similar trend with XS, S and M, however L glove includes female firefighters with shorter hand lengths than recommended (likely due to being issued “available” sizes)

• Hand length, both male and female firefighters compared to mid size value specified by NFPA • Finger and hand shapes are different betw een

men and w omen

• Men have more variations in their configurations,

although hand breadth and hand length ratios on

average appear to be the same

• How ever, the scale dow n version of gloves

designed for w omen based on men’s hand/finger

dimensions may w ork for the palm area, but not

the f inger areas

• Simple sizing schemes do not generally work to provide a full range of fit for firefighter populations. J. and G. Stull

• The current glove sizing system does not seem to adequately fit male or female firefighters presently in the fire service

• Firefighters cannot safely and efficiently carry out their duties if their gear does not fit properly

• We need to develop better sizing systems for gloves based on the new anthropometric data gathered on the modern firefighter

High Visibility Apparel: ANSI/ISEA 107/207 Revision

and NFPA 1971and NFPA 1971

Tim J. Gardner, 3 CompanyChair, ISEA High Visibility Products Group

Presentation Outline

• Overview of ISEA• History of HV apparel standards• HV apparel regulations – FHWA• Future of HV apparel standards

Who is ISEA?

• The trade association for manufacturers and suppliers of personal protective technologies

• Membership of more than 70 manufacturers, distributors and test labs representing more distributors and test labs representing more than 100 brands

Who is ISEA?

• Lobbying organization• Market trend resource• Industry partner• Accredited standards developing

organization, e.g., – ANSI/ISEA 107-2010, High-Visibility Safety

Apparel and Headwear– ANSI/ISEA 207-2011, High-Visibility Public

Safety Vests

History of US HV Apparel Standards

• ANSI/ISEA 107 first published in 1999– Based in part on EN 471-1993 standard (and its

BSI precursor from 1985)– Drafted by ISEA High Visibility Products Group– Drafted by ISEA High Visibility Products Group– Established Performance Classes for garments

based on visible amounts of background and retro-reflective materials

– Outlined appropriate designs to promote maximum visibility

– Revised in 2004 and 2009

History of US HV Apparel Standards

• ANSI/ISEA 207 first published in 2006– Developed in direct response to public safety

needs– Competing hazards in public safety sector – Competing hazards in public safety sector – Design features to allow for identification, tear

away capabilities– Revised in 2011

History of US HV Apparel Standards

• Early acceptance of ANSI/ISEA 107 by majority of state DOTs

• NIOSH recommended use of HV apparel as a best practice in work zonesbest practice in work zones

• Other industry standards acknowledge ANSI/ISEA 107 and ANSI/ISEA 207– ANSI A10.47 – Work Zone Safety for Highway

Construction– NFPA 1901 – Automotive Fire Apparatus

HV Apparel – FHWA Requirements

• Manual on Uniform Traffic Control (MUTCD) is the governing document for roadway work

• 2003 Edition of MUTCD – Required ANSI/ISEA 107-1999 Class 2 for – Required ANSI/ISEA 107-1999 Class 2 for

flaggers only– Recommended its use for other personnel

• 2006 FHWA rule [23 CFR part 634]– Required ANSI/ISEA 107-2004 for all workers on

or near federal-aid roadways

HV Apparel – FHWA Requirements

• 2008 FHWA addresses safety concerns for firefighters and other emergency personnel– During exposure to flame, heat, hazardous

materials, could use NFPA gearmaterials, could use NFPA gear

• 2009 Edition of MUTCD – Incorporated [23 CFR part 634]– Requires ANSI/ISEA 107-2004 Performance

Class 2 or 3 for all workers on any public access roadway regardless of the type

HV Apparel – FHWA Requirements

• 2009 Edition of MUTCD (continued)– Allows firefighters, law enforcement, other

emergency services personnel to use ANSI/ISEA 207-2006 public safety vests207-2006 public safety vests

• Acceptance of current versions of ISEA standards– Letters of interpretation permit use of ANSI/ISEA

107-2010 and ANSI/ISEA 207-2011 garments, based on performance equivalence

Future of U.S. HV apparel standards

• ANSI/ISEA 107 undergoing comprehensive review and revisionand revision– Expected published

revision in 2015

• Possible withdrawal of ANSI/ISEA 207

Future of U.S. HV apparel standards

• Areas under consideration– Other acceptable fluorescent colors– “Type” scheme for garments based on expected

use or applicationuse or application– Material amounts based on smaller body frames– 3rd party certification?– Updated test methods and references– Clarification of design requirements

Implications of Combining 107 & 207

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First Responder High Visibility Garment Study

“This study compared the conspicuity of three types of first-responder safety garments (NFPA 1971-2007 turnout gear coats, and ANSI/ISEA 107 and 207 safety vests).“…The results suggest that all three garment types studied are equivalent in garment types studied are equivalent in making first responders conspicuous as pedestrians when working an emergency response scene in close proximity to traffic.“…Whether an NFPA or ANSI/ISEA compliant garment is worn, first responders are equally likely to be detected by passing motorists, and as such these garments should be considered to be equivalent.”

For more information

• Contact ISEA– Dan Shipp, president

dshipp@safetyequipment.org

– Cristine Fargo, director of member and technical servicescfargo@safetyequipment.org cfargo@safetyequipment.org

– Dan Glucksman, public affairs directordglucksman@safetyequipment.org

• 703-525-1695• www.safetyequipment.org• www.safetysignals.org