THE A N D H R A PRADESH LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

DEBATES

OFFICIAL REPORT

Tenth day of {he Second Session of the Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly

A N D H R A PRADESH LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

Friday, the 30th June, 1972.

The House met at Half-past-Eight of the Clock,

(Mr- Speaker, Sri ?. Ranga Reddy, in the Chair)

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

PAYING OF T. A. AND D. A. TO THE VILLAGE OFFICERS DURING JAMABAHD1:

8 1 — *126 Q.—Sri D. Venkatesham :—Will hon. the Chief Minister

be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Government are paying travelling allowance and D. A, to the village ogicers during Jamabandi; and

(b) if not, whether it wHl be paid atleast in future ?

The Chief Minister (Sri P, V. Narasimha Rao) :—

(a):—Yes. Sir,

(b):—Does not arise

Sri D. Venkatesham:—From what date and at what rate?

Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao;—According to the orders issued, the ViHage Ogicers and Servants excluding those at the Taluk Head­quarters are being paid Travelling allowance and daily allowances during the period of Jamabandi without imposing the distance of 5 miles limit vide G. O. No. 1802 Revenue read with G. O, No. 23$ Rev3aw^9. The village OERcers are being paid T. \. at single 3rd class.by train and mileage at 6 paise where the journey is by bus. They are also being paid daily allowance at the following rates;-

Village Oncers Rs. 2,60 Village Servants „ &00

wit% eHect from 1-10-69.

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COMPLETION OF STREET SURVEY OF MtJNAGAPAKA

PANCHAYAT IN ANAKAPALLI TALUQ

8 2 -

^245 Q.- Sri P. V. Ramana(Anakapalli):—Will hon. the Chief Minister be pleased to state ;

(a) whether the street survey of Munagapaka Panchayat in Anakapalli Taluk, Visakhapainam District was completed by the mobile staif of Kakinada Range ;

(b) if so; in which year;

(c) whether the map and survey records were handed over to the Panchayat; and

(d) if not) the reasons therefor ?

Sri P. V. NarasimhaRao ;—

(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) In May, i960.

(c) No; Sir.

(d) The map has ye$ to be completed and the survey has to be validated under Survey and Boundaries Act, 1923.

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PATTAS 0^ UNCULTIVABLE LANDS TO THE HARIJANS

OF OjtLlRAJUPALEM GUDUR TALUQ

8 3 —

*366 Q.—Sri Nallapareddi Sreenivasul Reddy;—Will hon. {the Chief Minister be pleased to state ;

(a) whether it is a fact that uncultivable land have been given on pattas in 1371 Fasli to the Harijans of OjHirajnpalem, G u d w taluk NeMore District;

(b) whether it is a fact that the harijans are unaMe to cultivate the said lands even to this day;

(c) why pajttas have been given for un-cultivable land; and

(d) whether the pat tas for the said lands will be cancelJbd;^nd remission of land revenue payable for the said lands will be granted ?

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Oral Answers to Questions. 30th June, 1972. 367

uncultivable and the Harijans are unable to cultivate the said lands even to this day.

(c): 1% is only on the applications of assignees the lands were granted with the hop j that they will reclaim them, if necessary.

(d): As the assignees have not cultivated the lands, steps are being taken to resume the lands which have been left waste con* tinuosly for three years for violation of grant. The question of grant of remission in respect of such lands will be considered according to rules in force.

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GRANTS OF PATTAS FOR HOUSE SlTES TO THE GlRIJANS OF GUDALI ETC. VILLAGES IN GUDUR TALUQ.

^ 889 Q.-—Sri Nailapareddi Sreenivasul Reddy :--Will hon. the Chief Minister be p!eased to state:

(a) what are (he reasons for the delay in granting pattas for house s;tes to the GirijansofGudaH, Kodivaka, Ganganapalem, Tupiti, Vavillapaiem and Vidyanagar in Gudnr Taluk of NeHore District in the Government lands;

(b) when wiM the pattas for house sites be granted ; and

(c) whether the proposal is pending in Gudur Taluk OfHce ?

Sri P. V. Nasasimha Rao:—(a) The reasons are:

1. In Gudali village the proposals for sanction of house-sites in S- No* 430-B were dropped as the land was required by Lions Club, Vidyanagar- The Tahsildar is being instructed to examine alternate proposals;

2. In Kodivada (v) the land proposed for assignment as house sites YS classified as village site poramboke. The Tahsil* d&r is taking steps to get the lay out prepared and approved. Soon after the !ay out is approved the sites will be assigned to the Girijans.

3. N o proposals are pending in Ganganapalem and VaviHa-palem villages;

4. In respect of Tupili village the Tahsildar is taking steps to assign house-sites to the Girijans.

(b) The Tahsildar has promised to finalise the pending cases in two months.

(c) Yes, Proposals in respect of Gudali, Kodivaka and Tgpili ere pending in Taluk OiBce.

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€rRANT OP PATTAS POR HOUSE SITES TO GlRIJAMS OF CHUTTUGUNTA

ETC. VILLAGES IN GUDUR TALUQ.

8 3 —

*39A Q—Sri NaHapareddi Sreenivasul Reddi:—Wilt hjn. the Chief Minister be pleased to state:

(a) what are the reasons for the delay in granting of pattas fbr Ixmse sites to {the girijans of Oiuttugunta, Kellipedu, Vedicher!a, Digubarajupalem in Gudnr taluk of NeMore District,;

(b) whether it is pending with the Tahsildar, Gudur; and

(c) when will the pattas fbr house sites be granted ?

Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao:—(a) Chuttugunta Hamlet of Rudra­yapalem. The Girijans of Chuttugunta hamlet of Rudrayapalem have applied for assignment of Acs. 5-00 towards house sites in S. No. 15 of Rudrayapalem classi&ed as Reserve Forest mea^ suring Acs. 405-50. A n extent of Acs. 5 00 was got sub-divided and was transferred into village site poramboke. A lay out was alsa got prepared and it is pending approval. Soon after its approval the assignment will be finalised.

KALLiPAau :—No proposals are pending in respect of Kallipadu village.

VBEHCHBRLA:—The Girijans of Vedicherla applied fbr assign­ment of house sites in S. No. 293 and 375 classified as Donka Poram-. boRe, T&3 required portion has been got sub-divided. The change

370 3Mh June, I9?2. Oral Answers to Questieas,

ofclassincationfrom DonkaPorarpboke to viHage site poratnbokc was also approved. The Tahsiidar, Gudur has been directed to expedite the assignment of house sitei to the Girijans.

DiGUVARAjUPALBM HAMLET OF ODUR:—The Girijans have appliedforhousesitesinS. No. 331/1 of Gudur classiSed as Tope poramboke vested in Panchayat Board. The resolution of Panchayat agreeing for its withdrawal is awaited. In the meanwhile the Tahsiidar, Gudur is taking steps to get (he required portion sub-divi­ded. Soon after receipt of the resolution of the Panchayat the land has to be withdrawn from the control of Panchayat. Change of classi­fication has to be approved and the assignment proposals have to be approved.

(b) Yes, The assignment proposals relating to Chuttugunta, Vedicherla and Diguvarajupalem are pendi g in taluk oiB.ce, Gudur.

(c) In respect ofChuttuguntapalli and Vedicherla villages it is reported {hat the assignment will be Realised in about 2 months and in respect of Diguvarajupalem, it is stated that considerable time will takenbe as several formalities have to be observed for withdrawing the land from the control of the Panchayat Board and approval of change ofdassiBcationetc. The Tahsiidar, Gudur has been directed to expedite action.

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MlLK CHILLING CENTRE NEAR DACHEPALLI 8 6 -

*26Q.-Sri Sarvasri M . NagiReddy (Gurajala)and Vanka Satyanarayana (Penukonda) :—-Will the hon* Minister for Agriculture be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Government propose to open a milk chilling centre near Dachepali Village, Palnad Taluk, Guntur District;

(b) if so, when the work will be taken up and completed; and

(c) the probable date when the above centre wiil come into being?

The Minister for Agriculture (Sri K. Venkataratnam) :-(a) No, Sir.

(b) & (c) D o not arise.

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GRANT OF REMISSON OF LEASE AMOUNT TO S m BHEBMBSWARA SWAMY TEMPLE LANDS

8 7 - ,

* 3—E. Q.—S^rvasri M^ Nagi Reddy and V/SriMsRna:—WiR the hon^ Miaister for Endowments be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a iact that the Commissioner, H. R^ Endow^ nRsnts h ^ grahted remission in respeet of lease amount relating to ^^S6Rn^waraSwa:my T e m p ^ lands of Draksharamam, Bast Godavary District;

374 30th June, 1973. Oral Answers to Questions*

(b) whether it is a fact that the lease amount of 400 bags have been reduced to 200 bags for 6 years; and

(c) if so, under what provision the Commissioner has issued such orders?

The Minister for Endowments (Sri Ch R-V.P. Murthy Raju):-fa) The Commissioner permitted the E. O* to eSect the compromise by which the tenant could get remission of rent.

(b) No, Sir. It was reduced from i4^ bags per acre to 12 bags per acre*

(c) The Commissioner. Endowments Department is competent to issue orders permitting compromise under section 79 of the Andhra Pradesh Charitable and Hindu Religious Institutions and Endowments Act, 19^6.

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376 30th June, 1&72* 6ral Answers to Questions.

HIGH LEVEL MEETING ON HOUSING PROBLEMS

8 8 -

* 621 Q—Sri M , Nagi Reddy :--WiH the hon. Minister for Housing & Accommodation be pleased {to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that a high level meeting was held at VisakhapatnamiHLhe month of April!9J2 to discuss about the housing problems in growing towns of the State ;

(b) if so, the dicisions arrived at the meeting; and

(c) whether the Housing Board would be decentralised to set up executive wings in all districts?

The Minister for Housing and Accommodation (Sri L. Laksh* mana Dasj:—(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) i copy ofthe proceedings of the meeting hold at Visakha-patnam on 13-4-1972 is placed on the Table of the House.

(c) The Housing Board has already extended its activites in the districts. It has opened Divisions and Sub-Divisions in some of the Districts.

PAPER PLACED ON THE TABLE

COPV OF PROCEEDINGS LAID ON M E TABLE OF THE HOUSE

VIDE ITEM (B) OF STARRED QUESTION NO. 624 [* 88]

PROCEEDINGS OF THE MEETING HELt; IN THE CIRCUIT HoUSE.

ViSAKHAPATNAM ON 13-4-1972 AT ll-OO A. M.

PRESENT :—

1. Sri L. Lakshman Das. Minister for Housing ond Accommodation.

2. Sri M- Seshu Madhava Rao, Chairman, Andhra Pardesh Housing Board.

3. Sri Annam Viswanadha Rao, President, Andhra Pardesh Co-opertive Housing Federation

4. Sri C. N. Sastry, L A, S. Special OSicer, Municipal Corporation of Hyderabad.

5. Sri S* N- Achanla, I. A* S. Collector, Visakhapatnam.

6. Sri K.Purushotham Naidu, I. A. S. Collector, Srikakulam.

7- Sri I. Ramaswamy, Deputy Secretary to Government* Planning and Co-operation Department, Secretariat, Hyde­rabad.

8, G. VenkataramanaReddi, Director ot Town Manning. Hyderabad.

Oral Answers to Questions. 30th June, 1372. s n

9. Sri Ali Asgar, Managing Director, Andhra pardesh Co-operative Housing Federation.

10. Sri Venkataratnam, Housing Engineer.

It was agreed that action on the following !ines should be taken by the Co-operative Housing Federation:—

1. In addition to granting loans to Co-operative Housing Socie­ties for Low Income Group and Middle Income Group Schemes, the Federation should aho grant loans to Co-operative Societies formed for the benefit of the poorer sections of the Community like small farmers, artisans, low paid Government Employees etc., whose annual income does no exceed Rs. 4,000-per annum / for construction of houses in rural areas and semi-urban areas costing between Rs. 2 0 ) 0 - a n ! 2300-each, the period of repayment being so adjusted that the ioanee is not expected to pay more than Rs. 2o/-p. m. For this purpose a District Level Society could be organised which will obtains loans from the Federa­tion on behaif of its members and get the houres constructed throug the agency of the Housing Board an i allot it to its members. A cheap design for such houses will be drawn up by the Director of Town Planning. This scheme could be tried in Srikakulam and Visa-kbapatnam districts and two other districts in Rayalaseema and Telangana areas to begin with.

2' To enable the successful implementation of the seheme referred to in item (1) above, the federation shou!d get its by h w s amended such a way as to facititate decentralisation of the procedure ingthe grant of loans on the lines of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Housing Federation.

3. The feasibiHty of granting loins by the Housing Fede­ration or under the Rural Housing Programme for the reproofing of old houses by 8re proof roofing materia! should be examined. The loan should not be granted in case to the loanee but the loan amount sanctioned should be made over to the Housing Board which would execute the work.

4. In the case of members of Co-operative House Building Societies who had obtained their sites from ihe Visakhapatnam Town Planning Trust, the Federation is at present insisting on each appli­cant for loans furnishing a nonobjection certi8cate from the Town Planning Trust for the mortgage of the site in flavour of the Federa­tion. This is causing undue de!ay and inconvenience to the members. Instead of this procedure, the Town Planning Trust will furnish a general certificate that in respect of developed plots sold by the Town Planning Trust the Trust has no objection to the mortgage of such sites to the Federation for the purpose of obtaining a loan for heM&e construction and the Federation will accept such a certificate,

5. The Town Planning Trust, Visakhapatnam will make over ^ e?§te&t of about 183 a<3res ia its Maddipalem layout to the Hoagg&g Board immediately for the construction of Low Income Group Houses #pd Middle !neoaa^<2FOup Houpe s fbr allotment on hire-purchase

3T8 3othlTune, 1972. Oral Answers to Questions*

basis and rental houses. In case of rental houses, economic rent should be coHected and not subsidised rent. The land should be handed over to the Housing Board without waiting for its develop­ment which will be undertaken by the Housing Board itself*

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TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICITY

8 9 —

*646 Q,—Sri M. Nagi Reddy (Gurajala) :-WilI the hon. Minister for Power and W o m e n Welfare be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Government of Tamil Nadu have agreed to transmit Hie electricity which was proposed to be supplied by Kerala State to our State; and

(b) if so, the particulars of the agreement ?

The Minist r for Power (Smt. B. Jayaprada):-—(a) The Government of iamil Nadu transmitted the power which was supplied by Kerala State to our State upfo 18-6-1972. Due to the non-setting in of monsoon in Kerala the water levels in the hydel reservoirs in that State weie depleted, creating a situation where their supplies would hardly be su&cient even for their own needs upto 33rd June 1972. Therefore, Tamil Nadu stopped transmitting power from Kerala from 13-6-19%

(b) N o agreement has been entered into as the power supply is only for emergency use.

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Shoft Notice Questions and Answers. 8uth June, 19?2* ^B3

ABOLITION OP SHORTENED B.ED.. TRAl^I^G CENTRE FOR THE GRADUATE SECONDARY GRADE TEACHERS

9 0 —

* 56: Q.—Sint. B. Sarojinamma [ Put by Sri Ch, Parasura.na NaiJu (^arasaimapet)]:-Wi!l the hon. Minister for Education and Cultural AfEairs be pleased to state:

(a) the reasons for abolishing the shortened B. Ed., Training Cours. for Graduates woiking as Secondary Grade School Teachers; a^d

tb) whether the Government will consider to permit the Secondary Grad^ Teachers to undergo one year B. Ed., Training Course treating their training period as on duty ?

The Mini ter for Education and Cultural Affairs (Sri B* Sice Rama Murthy):—(a) The Shortened B. Ed., Training Course in Andhraar^awas discontinued, as the dearth of qualiRedB Eds. in that area was wiped out and the year!y intake in the Colleges of Edu-cat!on in that area will be sufhcient for meeting the needs of that region. It is being continu d in Telangana area.

(b) No

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S H O R T NOTICE QUESTIONS A N D A N S W E R S

RAISING OF HARIJANPET IN AxKANNAGUDEM,

ELURU Tq. BY LAND LORDS

9 0 —

S. N- Q. Nq. — !$08 P Sa^yasri Vaaka Satyanarayana, M. Nagi Reddy and Sri V. Sriknshna;—Will hoa. the Chief Minister be pIgas§dK39 s$^te: -

384 :Cth June, 1972. Short Fotice Questions and Answefs.

(a) whether it s a fact that the Land-Lords in Ankanna-gudem in Eluru Taluk, West Godavari District raided theHarijan-pet, killed two Haiijans a? d injured 19 others in {the second (veek of April 1572;

(b) whether it is a fact that most of the culprits have not so far been apprehended;

(c) whether it is a fact that the Harijans of the village being scared by th ses attrocities left the viHage tnblock and are afraid to come bark to the viHage; ard

(d) if so, what does the Government propose to do to assure the Harijans of safety to their person and property ?

Sri P. V. Narasimaha Rao :—(a) Yes, Sir (b) A H th^ j5fty four (54) accused have been apprehended.

(c) It is not a fact that the Harijans of the village have Ijf% the viHage They are present in tie viHage following their avocations. A Police picket of 3 Police Constables is still stationed in the viHage,

(d) There is no danger to the safety of pre^on and property, as there is a police picket in the village. In this connection a case in Crime N o 42/72 u/s 147, 148, 323, 324, 326 and 302 r/w 149 IPC of Eluru taluk Police Station was registered and charg3 sheet was Rled on 30-5-1973 against 32 accused. The case is pending trial and posted to 30 6-1972 for supply of documents to th? accused.

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TEACHING GRANTS TO NEWLY STARTED CpLtEgES

S N. Q, No. 1509-H.—Sri NaHapareddi Sreenivasulnreddi (Gndur): — W i H hon. the Chief Minister be pleased to state:

(a) how many CoHeges were started in the State since 1-7-67 on rondition that the managements should bear the recurring expen* diture &r three years;

(b)whetherthe Government are giving teaching grant §a t ad-hoc grant after a lapse of three yeafs; .^ .

(c) if not, the reaspas th$r?(&r;

Short Notice Questions and Answers.*} 3Cth June, 1972. 387

(d) the number of Colleges with names and places opened since l-7-67forwhich the Government are giving teaching grant without the above said condition; and

(e) whether any adhoc grants have been released to these Colieges ?

Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao : -(a), (b), (c), (d) & (e) A statement is placed on the Table of the House.

STATEMENT PLACED ON THE TABLE OF THE HOUSE WITH REFERENCE TO SHORT NOTICE

QUESTION NO. 1509-H [*90-B]

(a) 2 Colleges viz.. S.V,K.P+ College at Markapur and S.G B.S. College for W o m e n at Narasapur were started in 1967 with a condi­tion that the managements should run the colleges without grant for a period of 2 years.

1 professional college i. e+ A. J. Bodhane Kalasala, Machili-patnam was also permitted by the Government in 1967 with similar condition:

The following 8 colleges were opened without grant-in-aid for a period of 3 years in Andhra area during 1968-69*

1. N* T. R. College, Nandigama 2- J. K, C. College, Guntur 8* S.R.V.R.V.N. College, Amaravajthi 4. C R. College, Chilakaluripet 5. S. C. S. College, Jaggayyapet 6. Pedanandipadu College, Pedanandipadu 7. Visvodaya College, Venkatagiri Town 8. Smt. K R. Women's College, Rajahmundry

Five Colleges were opened (4 in 1968-39 and ! in 1969-70) in t he Telangana region without grant for a period of 3 years and they are:

1- C. K. M . College, Warangal 2. S. A. P. College, Vikarabad 3. K. R. R. College, Kodad 4. N. M . Arts and Science College, Jogipet 5. L. B. Arts and Science College, Warangal

Besides the above colieges, GoveraateMt p?etiait%§d the opening ofa private Arts and Science College^ P^dgapwaaa dudag 1W7-68 w # h pae of the conditions that the college should be rug by the pri^ vate management on!y with its owa fu^^tiH stK& t i ^ G p ^ ^ ^ e n t provi^P funds for the payment of g^i^^i^g* i ^ ^ , ^

(b) & (c) Government are g$^#^j44^]^ . ^ ^ ^ f ^ ^ # ^ ^ A ^ ^ grant* to a few colleges &ly w M ^ w # # ? o ^ ^ ^

%S 30th June, 1972. Short Notice Questions and Answers.

(d) The Government have permitted the following colleges with grant-in-aid right from their inception :-Andhra Region:

(t) Sri Satya Sai Arts and Science CoHege for Women, Anantapur (H)68).

felengana Region : (1) Andhra Mahila Sabha Arts and Science College for Women

(day) Hyderabad (1908-69)

(2) Andhra Vidyalaya Arts, Commerce and Science CoHege, Gaganmahal, Hyderabad (1968-69).

(3) Sardar Patel CoHege, Secunderabad (1969-70).

(t) Smt. Satyamma Narasimha Rao Menorial College, Hyder­abad (lt)7I-72).

(5) Dharmavanth Degree CoHege of Science, Yakntpura' Hyderabad (1971-72).

(e) The following colleges have been sanctioned Ad-hoc grant;

Name of the unaided colieges in the State to which Ad-hoc assistance and Ad-hoc grants \ erj paid by Government.

Ad-hoc assi-taece and Ad-hoc grants paid for the year*

1969-70

Rs.

25,600

25,CC0

25,000

1970 71 1971-72

Rs. Rs.

25.900 60,000

20,000 65,000

3t),0()o 67,000

1. B- G. B. S. CoHege for Women, Narasapur

2. C. K. M . College, Warangal 3. K. R. R. CoHege, Kodad. 4. N. M . Arts and Science College,

Jogipet 25,000 39,000 — 5. Smt* K. R. Women's College,

Rajamundry — 25^000 30,000 6. Peddapuram CoHege,

Peddapuram 25.000 25 0 0 6>,C00 7. S. A. P. CoHege, Vi^rabad — 33,o;:0 €5,000 8. S. V. K. P. CoHege, Markapur — — 5O,(!00 9. Smt, Satyamma Narasimha Rao

Memorial CoHege, Hyderabad (Aided) - — 2&/B6

10. Dharmavanth Degree CoHege of Science, Hyderabad-(Aided) — — 20^)00

*-l. Andhra Mahila Sabha CoHege for Women. Hyderabad. — — 3%W?

Short Notice Questions and Answers. 3t;th June, 197:1. 3^9

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390 3cth June, 1972. Short Notice Questions < ^ .^4 ^ „,

CHOLERA EPIDEMIC

S. No. Q 90-C.

S. N. Q. No. 1509-L* Sri C. V. K. Rao:— Will the hon. Minis­ter fcr Health & Medical be pleased to state :

(a) whether there are reports of Cholera epidemic in the State;

(b) if so, what urgent steps are taken by the Public Health Department;

(c) whether it is not true that 20 people died due to Cholera and 23 patients admitted in taluk hospital of Narasampeta of Waran-gal District in the month of June 1972; and

(d) if so, what are the steps taken to prevent further spreading of this epidemic?

The Minister for Health and Medical (Sri Ibrahim A H Ansari):-(a) There are reports of Cholera cases in the State from February. The total cases reported in whole year till now are 52 and there are no deaths due to Cholera.

The incidence of Cholera is in sporadic form but not in epide­mic form.

(b) i) Distrct Medical and Health Officers have already been instructed to establish strict surveillance and reporting of cholera cases.

ii) Provision for prompt and adequate treatment was mad3 at all Hopitals and Primary Health Centres by keeping adequate stocks of drugs.

iii) Health staff have been kept ready for aU prevesh tive naseasures and intensive immunisation programme is launched.

iv) The Assistant Director of Medical and Health Services in*cbarge of Cholera eontrol, along with Dfrscgoy/tagt-timte of Preventive Medicine has already left THyderar bad for investigation and organising control worL

(c) 46 cases of Castro enteritis were admitted in the month of February and two died; and ,

(d) A H the preventive measure^ eaumer$ted u ^ d ^ (6) & & o # have been taken and the disease is under control "i ^ ^*

Short Notice Questiorr and Answers 30^b June. 3972, ^91

Mr. Speaker:—There is another 341 nothe rcgaiding Cholera which was given by Smt. Iswari Bai.

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim Ali Ansari:— It is not a regular notice.

Mr. Speaker:— Smt. Eshwari Bai wanted to raise a question. She has put a question. You better answer it.

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim Ali Ansari :- As per the latest information available in the Directorate, there is no report of Cholera or gastro enteritis from Kariunagar District for the month of !une. This i$confir medfrom D.M.H.OKarimnagar by trunk call at SP.M-on 29-6-? 2. N o cases of cholera have been reported upto 26*4-72 from K h a m m a m District for the month of June. However, on!y 7 cases of gastro ente rids cases have been reported for the whole district for the month of jone. The well known outbreak of cholera has not been reported but only there were sporadic cases from june to September every year in the usual prevalent season for Cholera- All preventive and control measures have already been taken as enumerated by the answering of Short Notice question No. 3519 put by Sri.C.V.K.Rao.

Smt J. Eswari Bai:—I received the information 4 days back*

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim Ali Ansari:—This is the latent report, yesterday evening I have got it at 5.30 P.M.

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e ^ d ) &Sb^ ? In the month of April when Cholera was prevailing in

Kuppam Chittoor District in so many villages, the hon. Minister was pleased to depute one Deputy Director to that area* Is it not Chotera? If not what is the diagnisis made by your ofBcers ?

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim Ali Ansari:—I have already submitted that there are no cholera cases. They 4re Gastro enteritis.

Sri D. Venkatesam :—If it is not cholera, what is the diagaisi made by your ofBcers ? What is tha% epMeaHc ?

Sri Mohd- Ibrahim A K Aasari :—A$ I have gabaM%ed i^was not due to €hoie$a*

The stools was examined and ih%tg wa$ no p^itiv^ ea^e&, ^ was only found to be gastroenteritis.

392 Stth June, 1972* Short Notice Questions and An,wer$.

Sri D. Venkatesbam :— It is not one death. Sir. There were nearly 30 deaths in that tatuk. So, what are the deaths due in that particular period of three to four days ? Your Deputy Director c^me. IK hat was the report given to the Government ?

SriMohd. Ibrahim AliAnsari:—I don't have the report on hand. I wi!l get the report and furnish it to the Hon'Me Member.

Sri C V. K. Rao: — T h e Hon'ble Minister says that there are no cases of deaths due to cholera, it is due to gastro-entritis. It is a common way ofescaping a particular thing Sir* The death is there. 20 people died and it is reported. It is reported in the Press. W h e n it is so reported recently, is it not the responsibility of the depart­ment ? Choleia means, it is a very serious thing. It is epidemic and immediately the Collector has got to notify and now when that is the position what is it if it is not Cholera. The department concerned has not announced stating that it is not cholera and it is gastro-entri­tis and that people need not be so much bothered and necessary pre­cautions are aken. W h y such an announcement was not made*

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim A H Ansari:—When there is no case of cholera how can we announce ?

SriC V. K. Rao :— It is reported in the press and it is not latdy that it has been reported. It is only after some doctor stated that these 20 peopie died due to cholera and nS patients were admi­tted in ta!uk hospital, Narsampeta. Even yesterday it came in the radio stating that some people died due to cholera. If that is so why shoud you escape saying that it is gastro-entritis.

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim A H Ansari:— It is not a case of escaping. Actually the stool of the sick was examined at random and it was not found positive. That is why it is not a case of cholera and it is not correct to say that 20 persons died. The laiest report which I have got is that only 2 died out of 46 admitted m the hospital.

Sri O V* K. R a o : — It was in the Press, Sir.

Dr. Patimunnisa Begum (Peddakurapdu):—Hon'ble Speaker Sir, the Hon'ble Mimster ha^ been saying that the deaths are due to gastro-entritis because it is not proved. Unless it is proved that in the motion there is the bacteria of the cholera it cannot be said that deaths are due to cholera- In the mofussi! hospital anybody can die due to dehydration as a cau*e of gastro entries; so being a mofussil hospital there was no proper treatment given. That is what I think, I imagine that the treatment for dehydration and ordinary gastro-entritis has not been treated properly and so that is the cause of the deaths and the cholera may not be there. W e h&ve seen so many cases of gastro-entritis where there has not been any cholera. So the ordinary person can think that it is cholera because patient had dehydration, vomittiag and diarrhoea. Unless it is proved by bacteriological examination of the motion and unless they And the choiera embryo we cannot say it is the cholera So all ether investi­gations can be done and preventive measures can be ta.ken even for gastro-entritis, but unless it is proved {that it is cholera, we need not give any immunization for cholera . ^ ^

(No answer) ' ^

Business of the House. 30th June, 1975. 393

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^r&)§^^d) ?

Sri M d . Ibrahim Ali Ansari:—We have taken all the possible preventive measures.

Scat. L Eswaribai:—This is the Piefs report "Deccan Chroni­cle" He, being a Minister saying like that* f am very sorry to say.

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This is June 2gth, "Deccan Chronicle". According to the news received here three persons died of cho!era in Koram viHage in VemulavadaSamithi. The authorities of the Primary Health Centre at Chendurthi have already been informed but bo preventive measures have been taken so far. Therefore the peopte request the Distnct Medical authorities to move in the matter* So being a Minister

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You shou!d take some interest. What is the use of saying 'I have not received Sir, onl" yesterday Sir'. .What is the meaning of all this? What for we are here? !Rap [&gb^3'* ^o^rr°33 ea rr

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Sri M d . Ibrahim Ali Ansari:—I never said that I don't have the information. I told the Hon'ble Member that I got the informa­tion yesterday evening at 5.3'J from the D,M,H and this is the report which I have submitted.

Smt. J. Eswaribai:—Why should you get it yesterday? W e are receiving it on :17th and the Minister is getting the report on!y yesterday. It is announced in the Press on 28th.

Mr. Speaker:—Questions are over.

BUSINESS O P T H E H O U S E

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Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao:—I take very strong objection to such sporadic points being raised without a rule, without a notice, without any procedure being followed, just for the sake af the gallery and the Press. If certain matters have been brought before the House they will be answered in due course. H o w does it enhance the prestige of this House, Sir if this is the way we function-

Smt. J. Eswaribai:—I a m really very sorry. O n that day the ChiefgMinister was present there. <9&?<R3 h)& <3oRjsb tass^iR) ?

Sri P* V. Narasimha Rao :—There is a method of giving the replies to these things, Sir. There is a time, there is an occasion. When the repiy is given to the entire debate it is then that the replies to these things are also given. Naturally what Smt. Eswaribai says, I ag:ee with her to some extent. I was at fault in not rising at that time and scotching it on the spot but because of the diganity of the House which we have to maintain, J did not do that. W e might take the opportunity when it comes, but I now realise that I should have done it at that time itself.

Sri D. Venkatesham:—What has been published in the paper has been brought to the notice of the House. What is the fault of the Member ?

Mr. Speaker:—The point is, it was already raised in the House, during the reply of the Finance Minister. They could have answered it* W h y should it be repeated time and again ?

Sri D. Venkatesham (Kuppam):—That particular Member has not brought any information, simply he has mentioned that. W h e n it was seen in the paper Mr. Sriaivasulu Reddy brought it to the notce of the House stating that in such and suchfpaperit has been published like this* So, Srinivasulu Reddy cannot be found fault with.

Mr. Speaker:--Chief Minister has replied to that.

Sri C* V- K. Rao (Kakinada):—It is a matter that has appeared in the Press, so it has become a matter of public importance. This matter has been raised in the Budget speep!i by the Hoa'&le Member and then the Deputy Chief Minister had said that when the Chief Minister comes he will reply to that thing.

It must have gone to the notice of the Chief Minister. Then another Member spoke on this subject. I cannot see how the Chief Minister could say that the dignity of the House is affected. The dignity of the House would really be affected if that incident had taken place. If the Chief Minister is ignorant of such a situation, he makes an intellectuai debut on this. H o w could he escape his duty. Is it not his duty to tell ns whether is true or aoiL K it ig*tyn&&e could teH that to the Member. It is a matter of vital in^po^ta#^ T!p& hief Minister tries to bring 03& a? if yom^body has raRged S33&3

Business of the H o m e . 30th June, 197?.. 295

bodv 1 as ra??ed ynmethirg out of spite and created scm^ thing. It gncs a v^rywrmg.mpressionjthat somebody has rai^ed tmt point o ^ o; sr i c. Ir appeared in the Press- H o w that could escape the sot ce of the Chief Minister W h y did he not come prepared to answer.

Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao:—Sir, I want a clear directive from the Chair on these matters. If anything appeared in any Paper any­where in th- country, s i-r to be made a object of sudden interpella­tion hen\ and eyer\? Minister or Chief Minister is expected to reply on th? spot saying' ye?' or no' witho.it following any Rules and without Notice. I do not know, if this is so, how can we function properly in this House. If there is anything, let that come before us. W e are not shielding anybody. W e are not afraid of it But if it is done by way of recklessness, by way of certain kind of sinister pleasure to get people in a sort of disrepute, then it is not proper.

Sri C, V K Rao :—I a m sorry that a responsible Chief Minis­ter is trying tc divert the attention from the subject. It is a clear-cut case. Can he say that it has escaped his notice. Is it not his duty to say that it is 'wrong', if it is wrong. What action is going to be taken in the matter?

(Sri Srikrishna rose in his seat).

Mr. Speaker:—What is it? Mr. Sri Krishna, why not wait till Lhe Chief Minister has finished.

SriV. Siikrishia (Mangalagri):—When a Member raises anything which looks objectionable, he can as well protest against it. But to say what he has spoken is 'recklessness*, is not iair. it is equally the same, for the people who are hearing it for the last two three days, they also say it is equally reckless.

Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao :—It is not recklessness. Answers will be given at the appropriate time. Replies will come at proper t'me. There h a stage, there is an occasion.

Sri V. Srikrishna :—The whole question is let him reply. Things should not have been allowed to drift to this level. When that issue has come and the Chief Minister has risen, he could have replied to t e fenon concerned. If that had happened this question would not have arisen again.

Sri C. V. K. R a o : — W h e n the member raised the question on the Floor of the House the other day. the Deputy Chief Ministers was here* He had told that the Chief Minister would reply to it. Has it escaped the notice of the Chief Minister.

(At this stage several Members from the Treasury Benches

stood up in their seats).

S d C V. K. Ra<?:—Sir, it is unfair, when a Member is

ppa&tipg, so many people standing up- Doep the Rule of the House

permit this?

332—9

395 30th June, 1972. Business of the House.

Mr. Speaker :—I would not permit all the people rising at a time. Please resume your seats. I have heard you. Mr. C. V. K- Rao. Now, we shall bear Mr. K. Prabhaker Rao, What is his Point of Order?

(Members resumed their seats):

Sri K. Prabhakar Rao (8apat!a) :—The Point of Order is this, S?r. Now, we have got a right to raise any Poim of Order before this House. But we Rave got to proceed under the Ru!es of the House. Under Rule 341. any hon. Member with the permission of the Chair (and if that permission is given) can raise a point I shah explain why this procedure is adopted. Sir, prior to rule 34!. all and sundry ma­tters were being raised and much ^f the time of th$ House was wasted and consumed. Thertfbre. Rule34i was introduced. Another thing, when a pomt is raised, the Minister concerned must get time to get prepared ?o give a reply. If hoc Member Sri C. V. K. Xao, wanted to raise a Point of Order, he could have sought the permission of tho Speaker and the Speaker would have asked the Minister concerned to come prepared. Rule ?4Y,says:

"Ko matter, however important and urgent ianybe, shall be raised by any Member, without having given at least half an hour's notice to the Speaker befbre the commencement of the sitting for the day and obtained bis permission/'

K is not as though we can straightaway stand up and raise a point, and say, " W e have a right".

Sri C* V. K. Rao:—Another Pcint of Order, Sir. You kindly give a ruling.

Sri Ratnasabhapathi (Rajampet):—Sir, Can a Point of Order be raised on another Point of Order. Have you permitted him to speak ?

Mr. Speaker :—I had not permitted, I was also taken by surprise. This is not the manner in which this House should func­tion, I have been telling all the time that whenever \ ou want to raise anything which you think caunot be brought under 841, and which aHects even the whole State, you can inform m e in m y Chamber 5-10 minutes befbre I cone to the Chair. But this was not done* Ifl feel that it is such an important matter. I could allow. So, I appeal to the House, to all the Members not to resort to the method. Let us strictly observe the Rules.

Sri M . Narayan Reddy (Guiajala):—-I tequest the hon. Speaker to expunge this portion;

Mr. Speaker:—I will see that.

Sri B. Ayyapu Reddy (Panyam) :-Everyday it is not uncommon for us to come across certain publications which are defamatory in nature against persons occupying important positions ; be it Minister, hon. Member or other persons. There is any amount of indu!gence in %hat (what we call) 'yellow jornalism'. If defamatory publicatio as

Business of the House. 30th June, !972. 337

are to be nude the subject matter of discussion before the House, they should have some intimate relation with the subject matter which has been put up on agenda. If there is no connection whatsoever, between defamatory publications and the matter which has been put up on the Agenda, then it is certainly irrelevant for any Member, all uf a sudden, to raise that defamatory matter for discussion in the House. Whenever any dafamatory matterj which has been published in any Paper, is to be raised by any Member of the House, certainly it must get the prior approval of the Cahir, and when that approval has been given, then only it could be raised in the House. That procedure has to be followed. Otherwise, there is no safety for any Member or for anyone, Sir-

Sri C. V. K* Rao :—This kind of procedure, should every Member dictate to you, Sir?

Mr- Speaker : —They are not dictating. You are trying just to do it.

Sri C. V. K* Rao;—I am not also dictating- I should be heard* Out of a particular point which I have raised, they are interrupting and trying to evolve so many principles. Can I explain my position?

M r Speaker :—What is your position and on what points you are explaining to me?

Sri C. V. K. Rao :—Mr. Syed Hussain

Mr. Speaker : You dont't go into that. I have suSciently heard it. W e have gone to the other points-

Sri C. V. K. Rao:—I am raising a point of Order. M y point of Order is this, Last time the Deputy Chief Minister said, when a matter allied to this was raised, that the Chief Minister would reply to it. Now, an occasion has arisen that the Speaker may ask the Chief Minister who is in his seat, to reply.

Mr. Speaker :—The Chief Minister's reply will be given af the appropriate time. When the reply is given by the Finance Minister, the point will be covered.

Sri C. V. K. Rao :—Very well, let him reply at the appropriate time. The time is this*

Mr. Speaker : - D o you want him to reply now?

Sri P, V. Narasimha Rao :—Certain allegations were made in the course of a speech on the budget- The appropriate time to answer those allegations would be at the time of winding or the last reply by the Finance Minister, or I may aiso intervene at that time* But this point being raised suddenly without notice, without rule and without rhyme, I do not know what the motivations can be.

Sri C. V. K. Rao :—Because the Chief Minister was absent at the time and since he is in the House now, I raise it.

Mr. Speaker ;—Let m e go to the next item.

Sri M . Narayana Reddy :—Since you have disallowed the discussion on this saying that it is out of order, all that has come on

398 30th June, 1972. [CaHing attention to a matter of urgent public importance:

;^r Suspension of certain ofHcials in con­nection with fhe misappropriation of lakhs of Rupees in &oil Conservation Department, Anantapur.

record mus^ he expunged and since the matter was raised as a pari o^ the budget speech and it is going to be replied by the Finance M ^ i r ten Since they have mis-used the procedure of the House, i would be fair to decide that those allegations which are again repeated without notice may be expunged from the records.

Mr. Speaker :— I do not say anything and wa$te the time,

Sri Syed Husan (Charminar):—I may be aHowed to say one point. I do appreciate the Chief Minister's statement that it would be replied at the appropriate time. He is saying that it is reckiess on the part of a Member to say this. It is highly objeciionable. It is reck!e?s on the Chief Minister's side that he did not have the audacity to answer.

An. Hon. Member :—Minister know how to perform their duties. Don't use that unparliamentary language here*

SriKazaRamanatham (MudinepaHi):—-Onapoint of Order, Sir. Accoiding to the rdes of procedure, fb" any wiid nhega Jon %hat is beirg made against a Minister or anybady he must ^a?e ncuce of it ;a advance and then only raise it in the House* If such nc^iee is not given, no reply is necessary at ali for such wild allegations. When the hon- Memhers asked for a repiy, there is no point in saying that he could raise anything and talk anything, and $hen expect some answer from the Minister.

C A L L I N G A T T E N T I O N T O M A T T E R S O P U R G E N T P U R L I C I M P O R T A N C E

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y%: Suspensipn of certain oScials in con­nection with the misappropriation of lakhs of rupees m Soil Cons*?"v<ttion Department, .nantapur.

Sn C. V. K. Rao :- It is not a question of C V, K, Rao or Mr. Owaisi. The question is, m this House, you, S^, use your discretion m whatever way you like and we are here to abide by that decision. Let not extraneous thmgs be brought m for extraneous considerations.

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re: Suspension of certain ofHna!s in con­nection with the misappropriation of !akhs of rupees in Soil Conservation Department, Anantapur.

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^: Suspension of certain oHicials m con­nection with the misappropriation of lakhs of rupees in Soil Conservation Department Annntupur.

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r?: Suspension of certain ofBciais in con­nection with tii3 misappropriation of lakhs of rupees in Soil Conservation Department ARantapur.

Sri B. Ratnasa^apathy;—We haVe got with us the ful! infor­mation given by the Minister and the Government. Out of that infor­mation we made the suggestions. A deliberate and calculated effort ^o misappropriate money was there.

Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao :— If that is aH they have, we shall take action on the available information. (Laughter)

Sri B. Ra):nasabhpathy:— There is m need to be so clever. There are some more people whom Government is palpably shielding. Let a Committee be appointed.

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r : Suspension of certain oiHcia s in con­nection with the misappropriation of lakhs of rupees in Soil Conservation Department, Anantapur.

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408 30th June, 1972' Catting attention to a matter of urgent puahc importance :

fa: Suspension of certain ofRciats in con­nection with the misappropriation of takhs of rupees in Soil Conservation Department, Anantapur.

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r : Suspension of certain ofRcials in con­nection with the misappropriat'on of lakhs of rupees in Soil Conservation Department, Anantapur.

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4 tO 30th June 19/2 Calling attention to a mat^r of urgent public impmtan.e:

r^: Holding of entrance Examination for ad* mission to medical colleges m Te!angana area before the publication of the P U.C. results depriving many students of P.U.C. to apear for the said examinatui.

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Sri B. Ratnasabhapathi:—The question is whether the Director has gone there to enquire into this matter an! not whether he hid gone there for some pteasure trip or not.

re : Holding of Entrance Examination for admiss!on to medica! collgcs in Telangana area before the publication of the P. U. C. results depriving many students of P. U. C. to appear for the said examination.

Sri Mohd, Ibrahim A H Ansari :—There has been delay every year in making admissions to Medica! Colleges for some reason or the other. This was one of the grounds by the studentsm their writ petitions in the High Court and Supreme Court in previous years. The Medicai Department became the target of criticism that the admissions are unnecessarily delayed. Th^re is a!so a general demand to recoup the time lost in the delay of admissions. Therefore it has become necessary to complete the admissions by September, 1972. Expecting that the results for P. U. G , H. S. C. (M.P) and Interme­diate Examinations will be announced by the end of June a noiiSca-tion was published by the Director of Medical and Health Services in May, 1972 that the Entrance Test for both Andhra and Telengana areas will be 30-7-1972 with the idea that the students will have advance information of ensuing entrance test and prepare themselves for the examination. The intention in issuing the notiBcatiom is not to deprive any class or category ofstudents but to take measures to cut short delay m making admissions.

O n representation by some of the Honourable Members tbp -matter was discussed at the meeting of the Sub-Committee on Educa­tion of the Andhra Pradesh Regional Committee on %7-6**1972< O n ? H e lecommendation of the Sub-Committee the following tentative ! programme has been 6xed for conducting the eatraRce test. Both the ' P. U. C , and ihe Intermediate Examinations results are expected to I be announced by 31-7-1972.

} Receipt of applications from j candidates except P. IL C. ttudents w h o are appearing for the aKamiaatioH in July. 30th to 3tst M y , i9?2< , Receipt of applications from j P. U. C. candidates who are [ now appeanng for the , J examination* a%n% 7th RgKaf, ^ ^ ^ ^ueofHa^Tic^y, ^ ^ % 7 ^ ^ ^ ^ '''^]

tJaiHcg attention to a matter of urgent 30th June, 1972. 4li public importance :

r%: Reduction of minumum marks of 5 0 % to 4 8 % in the qualifying examination for admission to the medical colleges.

Entronce test. 27th August, 1972.

Admissions of candidates. 15th October, !972.

Sri M , Narayana Reddy:—I congratulate the Hotf He Minister for accepting the very legitimate demand of the P. U. C. students in this matter- There is-one little clariRcation needed with regard to syllabas. There are three streams now-namely Multi-purpose, Junior Intermediate and P. U. C. - from which students wiii be appearing for the test. The content of the syllabus for Junior Inter­mediate much higher than th3 orher streams. So far as we know the syllabus of Junior Intermediate is bein^ prescribed for the test. Has the Government taken any decision o this matter aiso to have a common syllabus for all the streams of the students facilitating proper assessment and evaluation of the papers ?

Sri Mohd. Ibrahim Ali Ansari:—The questions will be from the common syllabus.

re :-R.EDUCHON OF MINIMUM MARKS OF 50% TO 48% IN THE QUALIFYING EXAMINATION FOR ADMISSION TO 1HE MEDICO COLLEGES

Sri Mohd. Ibraim Ali Ansari:—-It is not correct to say that the condition that 5 0 % of marks required in the qualifying examina­tion to sit for the entrance test is nor based on the recommendations of the Medical Council of India. The recommendation of the Medical Council of India as approved by it in February, 1971 is as follows:

"To be eligible for appearing for the competitive entrance examination, a candidate should have obtained not less than f 0 % cf marks in a qualifying examination or at a higher University exami­nation/'

The Medical Council did not agree to reduce the above percen­tage of marks except in the case of Scheduled ,Castes and Scheduled Tribes fcr whom it is 4 5 % , The Government have to follow the recommendations of the Medical Council of India ia respect of their medical colleges.

2. In one ofthe wiit petitions last year, the High Court has also observed as follows:

"There is no invidious or hostile discrimination against the Intermediate students who had obtained less than 5 0 % . The classi­fication made between the students who have obtained more than 5 0 % and who have obtained less than 5 0 % is reasonable dassiRca-tion ard it cannot be said to oSend Article 14 of the Constitution."

3. The Kakatiya Medical College, Waraagal and the Rangaraya Medical College, Kakinada are private medical colleges. If they do not foMow the recommendations of the Medical Council of India, it wi!!, no doubt, take necessary action in this regard.

4. In the circumstances, the recomendation cf the Medica^ Council of India is binding.

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412 3oth June, 1972. ^ CaHing attention to a matter of urgent public imrortance:

rp: Reduction of minnmum marks of 5 0 % to 4 8 % in the qualifying examination for admission to the medical colleges.

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I submitted, the recommendation of the Medical Council is binding on us. Anyway, we wit! write back t3 them about the recommenda­tion of the Regional Sub-Committee*

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(ahing attention to a matter of urgent 30th June. 1972, 415 public importance :

'4 : Closure of 11 Zilla Parishad High Schools under ZiHa Parishad Nellpre, during 1912-7X.

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Sri BattamSriramaMurty:-The Director of Public Instruc­tion Hyderabad hs stated (hat the Chairman, ZiHa Parishad, NeHore had upgraded 14 Samtthi Upper Primary Schools into H:gh Schools by opening V H I class at its own accord without obtaining prior sanction of the Govt, during 1969-70. After prolonged corres­pondence the irregular action of the ZiHa Parishad Nellore in having opened the said 14 schools without obtaining the prior permission of the competent authority has been ratiRed in October 197'. as a special case. Out cfthe 14 schools opener! by the ZiHa Parishad Neliore during 1939-70 4 schools have since been traasferrd to the control of ZiHa Parished Ongole. While ratifying tbe action of the Chairman, ZiHa Parishad, NeHore it was made char that these schools are permitted without grant-in-aid till such time as the Govt, admits the schools to aid and that the expenditure on additional posts shall be borne from the general funds of Zilla Parishad. Neither the Director nor the Govt, ever promised grant-in-aid in respect of these High School classes to the Z lla Parishad, NeHore. It is also reported that the said schools were opened by the ZiHa Parishad Nellore by adjusting the staff rendered surplus consequent on the abolition of nth and 12th classes and also the stag* transferred from Telengana region. D u e to this fact the question of grant-in-aid to these schools at this juncture need not arise. In this connection it may also be stated that in G. O. Rt No. 501 Bdn. dt. 7-3-73! orders have bee) issued permitting the opening of a separate high school for Girls at Indukurpet under the management ofZilh Parishad NeHore without aid during 1971-72. The Director has reported that this school has not been opened during 1971-72 due to late receipt of orders by them from the Government.

Four other schools which now stood transferred to Ongole district were also permitted to be opened by the ZHla Parisaad NeHore. Whatever aid is given to the 11 schools has to be extended to the said four schools. If the request of ZiHa Parishad NeHore is complied with justice requires that the request for sanction of the grants to other managements will have to be considered. As tl$pr3 are no funds available for the purppse during t"e current year* it is not possible to concede the request of the ZiHa Parishad NeHore for sanction of graat*ia aid amounting to Rs. 3,43,390 for U schools par aaaum during 1972-73. The Zilla Parishad Nellpre havs to take necessary Action to adjust the staff from uneconomic schools in the

414 30th June, 1972. Calling attention to matter of urgent pub!ic importance:

f : Closure o f u Z ^ l a Panshad High Schools under Zilla Parishad Nt^lore, during 1972-73.

district by closing down such schools or sections and make other suitable adjustments, if necessary with no Raancial commitment to the Government.

Sri C. V. K. Rao :— I raise a point of order. You have directed the Minister to make a statement available to ths Members. He has now read the statement. It is not his statement. He read the statement of a Deputy Secretary, Mr. M. De R^hetlo. I have given notice of Cali Attention that the Minister should make a state­ment on this thing. I have not asked him to read staiement made by a Deputy Serreta-y to Government. I hr/e usked him to make a statement him ser and whatever efforts he makes to get the informa­tion, I am not concerned with it. But it should be in Lis own name. Now, he has violated that. I brought tnis to your net ice yesterday Sir and it is again repeated, 1 cannot see how this can be 2 statement from the Minister, Sir.

Sri B. Srirama Murthy :—Let him please listen to m e Brst, be ibre t.e proceeds further.

Sri C. V. K. Rao :—He cannot dictate m e Sir. The Minister is so critical about ths procedure. I cannot help it I have put it befo:e you that the Minister has violated a provision of the rule. It is true that he has got to make a statement. It is net open to him to read a thing that has teen prepared by some!.odyelse, and now he has to make a statement of his own. H e should sign it and place it on the Table. On that I sought your ruling and h^ cannoi say you listen to me. He cannot ask you to listen to him. Probajy he means me, Sir. Anyway, hs has no bus ness what so ever :o dictate me. It is you tbat can decide as what has to be done.

Mr. Speaker:—You allow m e to decide Mr. C.V<K. Rao. Let m e hear the Minister.

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Sri C. V. K* Rao:—It is not open to the Minister (c reply me. N o w it is a ruling that you have to give. Whether he sought your permission or not, 1 have asked you to give a ruling, if you permit him, that is all right.

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Calling attention to a matter of urgent 30th June, 1972* 415 public importance :

n?: Closure o f H ZiHaParishad High Schools under Zilla Parishad Nellore, during 1,72-73.

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Sri C V. K. Rao :—This is a funny way of explaining the thing, Sir. Now, he says that the Deputy Secretary has not prepared and it is his statement and that statement has been signed bv the Deputy Secretary. N o w , it does not speak so. I consider he is hiding facts. His not his statement. If it is his statement he isresponsi-b!e and it i' not the Deputy Secretary that is :esponsib!e. f have asked him to makeas:atem^nt on a particular item under C*!! Attention, ther fbr?., when it is not signed b' im t at m e a m it is nothis statement. N e w he wants to defend hims j!f that Yt s the state ment prepared by him ahd then made by him and he has authorised the Deputy Secretary to sign it. It is a total he is trying to mislead the House. For that alsc he would be liable Sir*

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Sri O V. K. Rao ;—Here I put it Sir. Here is the name of the Deputy Secretary. H e td!s us that he has authorised tha Deputy Se?ret3ry. If it is f r Minister he should state that ?t is authorised for Minister. N o w , it is the total misleading of the House Sir. N o w he has the courage to put the blame on the other side.

Sri B. Ratnasabhapathi:—This, in any case, is a statement by the Minister, where it in signed by tne Deputy Secretary or by the Minister. It is the statement read by the Minister. H e has o.vned it. There should be nothing to prevent the Minister putting the signa­ture there. H e tould have put the signature. As Mr. Rao has very correctly pointed out, the signature of the Deputy Secretary that has been affixed to this statement, f think, is in a way derogatory. The Minister should have aHixed the signature to this statement as it emanates from the Minister. It ought to be with signature of the Minister. The Minister should have afRxed. I think, in future, the Minister wiil follow that.

Sri C. V. K. R a o : — I request you to cal! for the entire record. The House bas got t e right to call for the entire record. W h o is it that has prepared this statement and And out the origin of that state­ment. Therefore, I request you, Sir, to immediately order to get them betbre you. Here also the Hon'Me Member says, it is the statement prepared by him and the Minister says that it is prepared by him. Whethe! it is prepared by him or whether he dictated, dictated to w h o m and signed by w h o m and all that record must be placed before this House, Si*-, because the Minister is responsible to this House. !he Minister cannot disown his responsibility to this House, Theieis theradministrarive machinery. I do not deny it. H e can seek assis-

416 30th June, 1972. Calling attention to a matter of urgen public importance:

re: Closure of 11 Zilla Parishad High Schools under Zilia Paiishad Nellore, during 1972-73*

tance from administrative machinery. But he cannot arrogate to himselfthatwhtnthe administrative machinery works, he works. The Minister is solely responsible. I said he behaved in an irrespon­sible manner in not signing this statement. Therefore, entire record may be taken by you, Sir.

Sri Ch. Parasurama Naidu (Parvathipuram):—Just one word, Sir. The statement which was signed by the Deputy Secretary was given to us. So, until the Minister adopts it in the House, as facts stand we are faced with the statement by the Deputy Secretary only. And the Minister comes here, adopts it and makes it his statement. H e is perfectly free. But so far as we are concerned, a statement signed by the Minister himself will have to be furnished to us, and not signed by the Deputy Secretary.

Sri M , Narayan Reddy:-—One pcint of clariEcation on this. You mav kindly recall, Sir, this is the Erst time the copy of the state­ment is being given in advance to those Members who have tabled the Call Attention to enable them to put certain clarifications. But the statement when it is made by the Minister on the floor of the House, it goes info the record as his statement and the Minister ieoresenting the Government. It is only to facilitate the Members who have tabled the motion to make a controversy out of that stdtem^nt. It is being given for the Rrst time Next time, ofcourse, we can regulate that thing* That is a diSerent matter. Once it gees on record, if go^s on record as the statement of the Minister.

Mr. Speaker:—You tell me one thing. Y o u were Member of Parliament. Our Lok Sabha adopts this procedure. H o w is the statement given ? Are they signed in the name of the Minister or..

Sri M . Narayana Reddy :—No, Sir. Nobody signs. Actually it is a typed copy which is given without any signature or name. Nobody need sign. It is a clerical mistake, I should say.

Sri C. V. K. Rao:—On that you can get the information from the Lok Sabha. it is better. Some times memory may be short for some Members.

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r<?: Closure ofllZillaParishad High Schools under Zilla Parishad NeHoie during 1^7^-73.

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Sri B. Sriramamurthy:—I am on my legs. You cannot inter­fere. I am on m y legs now.

Sri C. V. K. R a o : — H o w is it relevant, I am....

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Sri C.V.K. Rao:—You address the Chair?

Sri B. Sriramamurthy :—I am addressmg the Chair. He hag no business to interfere. You must listen to me properly.

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Minister* I will give you an opportunity.

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4?S 30th June, 1972. Calling attention to a matter ef urgent pubhc importance :

re: Ciosureofll Ziila Parishad High Schools under ZiHa Parishad Neliore, curing 1972-73.

he is very disresctful and hope you would be able puH him up, Sir. otherwise, wel! he gets into trouble. Because from the opposition we cannot take things lying down.

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re : Closure of ll ZJla Parishad High Schools under Ziila Parishad Nellore, during 1972-73,

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PAPERS LAID O N T H E T A B L E

AMENDMENT TO A. P. GENERAL SALES TAX RULES, 1*37.

(G. O. Ms. No. 1389, R,,v. DATED 2i 12-71)

Sri P. V. Narasimhn Rao ;-l beg to lay on the 1 abb a c jpy oF (he amendments issued to the Andhra Pradesh General Sales Tax Rules, 1957 in G. O. Ms. No. 1389, Revenue, dated 21-12-71 and published at pages ? 8-39 of the Rules Supplement to Part II of the Andhra Pradesh Gazette dnted 1H-1-72 as required under section 39(4) of the Andhra Pradesh General Sales Tax Act, 1957.

(G. O. Ms. No. 827, REV* DATED 25-8-71)

Sri P. V. Narasimba Rao :-I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the amendments issued to the Andhra Pradesh General bales Tax Rules, 1957 in G. O. Ms. No. 827, Revenue, dnted 95-8-71 and published at page 248 of the Rules Supplement to Part. II of the Andhra Pradesh Gazette dt. 7-10-71 as required under section 1*9 (4) of the Andhra Pradesh General Sales Tax Act, 1937*

AMENDMENT TO RULE 9 FRAMED UNDER THE A. P, SURVEY AND

BOUNDARIES ACT, lS*23.

Sri P. V* Narasimha Rao .*—I beg to re-lay on the Table under sub-section (3) of section 26 of the andhra Pradesh Survey and BoundariesAct, i9?3, acopyofthe amendment to Rule 9 framed under the said Act published at page 19P-200 of the Rules Supple­ment to part I of the Andhra Pradesh Gazette dated 28 5-1970.

AMENDMENT TO RULE 3 OF THE A. P. HOUSING BOARD RULES, 1959.

(G. O. Ms, No. 388, PLo. & Co-op DATED 2-11-1971)

Sri L. Lakshman Das:— I beg to lay on the Table a copy f the amendment to Rule 8 of the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board Rules. 1959 issued by notification appended to G. O. Ms. No. 5%8, Planning and Co-operation dated 2-11-71 as requu-d by pub-seetion ( of sestfon 70 of the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board Act, 1956.

Business of the House. 30th June, 1972. 42!

AMENDMENT TO COLUMN 3 IN SCHEDULE I TO A P. HOUSING BOARD RULES, 1959.

(G. O. Ms. No. 396, PLC. & Co-op. DATED 5-11-71)

Sri L. Lakshmana Das:—I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the amendment to colmun 3 in schedule I to the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board Rules, 1939 issued by notification appended to G O. Ms. No. 396, Planning and Co-operation dated 5-11-197! as required by sub-section (3) of section 7t) of the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board Act, 1956,

AMENDMENT TO A. P. HOUSING BOARD RULES, 1939

(G. O. Ms. No. 177, PLC. & Co-op. DATLD 13-3-72 J

Sri L. Lakshmana Das:—I beg to 1 iy on the Table a copy of the amendment to Andhra Pradesh Housing Board Rules, 1939 issued by notiS^ation appended to G* O. Ms No. 177, Planning and Co-operation dated I3-':-72 as required by sub-section f3) of section 70 of the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board Act, 1936.

ADDITIONS TO THE FIRST SCHEDULE TO THE INDUSTRIAL

DISPUTES ACT, 1947.

Sri B. Rajaram:—Sir, on behalf of the Minister for Labour and Employment I beg to lay on the Tabte a copy of G. O. Ms. No. 398, Home (Lab. I ) dated 21-3-72, published in the Andbra Pradesh Gazette Extraordinary, dated 24-8-72 containing additionsto the First Schedule to the Industrial Disputes Act, 1947, as required under sub­section (?) of section 40 of the said Act.

ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT FOR 1972-73 AND SUPPLEMENTARY FINANCIAL STATEMENT FOR !97!-72 OF THE A. P.

STATE ELECTRICITY BOARD

Suit* Bhavanam'Jayapradha:-! beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Annual Financial Statement fbi 1972-73 and Supplementary Financial Statement for 1971-72 of the Andhra Pradesh State Etectri* city Bourd, under sub-section (8) of section 61 of the Electricity (supply) Act,. 1S4S.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

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Mr. Speaker:—Try to close at 11-80. W e will have to go to non-oSi.ial business. Y o u have got only 7 minutes. Let m e announce this.

'Th3 House wiH be sitting this evening from 4 p. m. and the Genera! Discussion on the Budget we have to conclude except the reply and the concluding members' speech tomorrow. W e will sit 4 p. m. to 6 p. m.

Sri C. E. Morris (Nominated) Speaker, Sir,:—There has been an acute shortage ofkerosineoilin Himayainagar, Yesterday this deRciency reached its peak when the poor were running ab^ut the streets holding some sort of bottle or something begging (he shop keepers to give them atleast ho!f b ttle of kerosene but this did no; melt the shop-keepers heart and he said that he h-*d no kerosene' Ifthiscontinues, l a m afraid, this will spread all over the win cities aad tiere wi!i 33 t tot ifsuS^rtagoa fas tcjjuat.

In this connection, having had over 30 years of experience in an oil company,! am still interested in its activities; there are two big instances of a racket going on in Visakbapatnam. I wish to reveal them to this House today. After removing petro! en-route kerosene is now being mixed in the tank lorries leaving with petrol from the oil companies in Visakhapatnam i* e., i, o. c., Esso-CALTEX & BuRMAH SHELL. The u afortunate part of this is, it is difRcilt to catch the culprits in the act. Ttie driver and the cleaner are not only peopte in the swim. There are others involved in this i. e Petrol Bunk attendants; as you know these draw iow salaries. 1 narrate an incident whi. h happened a few months ago. A lorty hich left Visakh;.pa;nam was carrying about 2,0M litres of petrol. On route in Gajavaka area, when the driver and cieaner were perhaps trying to remove some petrol from this tank, the whole thing caught fi;e and the lorry, tank and the petrol were completely destroyed, also about ten huts near by. N o w Sir, the driver and 'he cieaner should not have stopped on the road but shouid have continued the journey- They had a motive in doing so—the driver and cieaner were slightly injured and on recovery were put back on duty by the contractor sponsoring the conveying of the supply- This case has been unfortunately put into cold storage. I give you another instance. I understand that a few persons were actually apprehended when removing soma quantify of petrol and they were replacing that quantity with kerosene by putt­ing it into the petrol lorry tank, this was brought to the notice of the authorities. I understand this has also been sent to {the cold storage. Sir if things are to get on like this, I feel that mdst of us possessing cars will suffer very much in the long run and the kerosene mixed with petrol will ruin the engine. Unless the vigilence police and oil companies take care we are all j going to suffer* Therefore I request the Hon'ble Minister ibr Civil supplies fa please endeavour to check on what I have stated jmt now and see that these malprac* tices are stopped,

424 IOA June t972. Non-oiHcial Business Resolutions re: Nationalising aH private-owned sugar

factories.

(Mr. Ceputy Speaker in the Chair)

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NON* OFFICIAL BUSINESS : BILLS

The Andhra Pradesh (Andhra area Extension) Money Lenders Bill, 1972.

Sri M . Narayan Reddy :--Sir, I beg to move :

"That leave b3 granted to introduce the Andhra Pradesh (Anhra Area Extension) Money Lendeis BilL 1972.

Mr. Deputy Speaker:—Motion moved (pause)

The question is :

'-That leave be granted to introduce the Andhra Pradesh (Andhra Area Extension) Money-Leaders Bill, 1972".

The motion was adopted.

RESOLUTIONS

re : NATIONALISING ALL PRIVATE-OWNED SUGAR FACTORIES.

Mr. Deputy Speaker :—Now we shaH go to the resolutions, (turning to Sri V. Satyanarayana) Mr. Venkatasatyanarayana, there is another resolution which stands in the name of Mr. M. Narayana Reddy. He has requested that the two resolutions be taken together.

Sri M . Narayana Reddy:—The fourth one along with the Rrst*

Mr- Deputy Speaker:—Yes. That is exactly what I mean.

Sri M* Narayana Reddy:—Have you announced ?

Mr. Deputy Speaker :—*Yes.

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Sir,

I move :

''ThisAssemblyrecommenJstothe Centra! Government to nationalise all private-owned Sugar Factories and assume manage­ment of such factories immediately"-

Mr- Deputy Speaker:—Motion moved.

Sri M . Narayan Reddy:—Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the resolution, since I myself proposed the resolution. In this behaif as you know, Sir, the Congress Party, as well as the Central Govern­ment, is committed to the nationalisation of Sugar industry in this country. In principle, a decision has already been taken to nationa­lise the Sugar Industry. There is only a question of time as to when, and how many factories and in how many States this has to be done. That matter is now being examined. As regards Andhra Pradesh, why it is necessary to nationalise all or some of the Sugar Factories in this State; I would like to submit few points : As you know, Sir, in the entire country, the Sugar Industry, comes as the second biggest industry after the Textiles Industry; while in our State it is the biggest and largest industry. In our State, the Sugar Industry is spread almost all over the State. There are 19 Sugar Factories, in our State, out of which 10 are in the Privat Sector and 9 are in the Public & Cooperative Sectors. Those ten Factories all of them are located in Andhra Region. Apart from Regional point of view, the second point is they are much prior (m time of installation) than the Co-operative or Public sector Factories. They have been there for the last 15-20 years, or even more. You will see, Sir. how much these ten Factories control either thecane^rrushing or the investment or the production of Sugar, or how much profit they make, from the Sgures that I now give. The licenced crushing capacity of the 19 sugar factories per day is 26,650 tons, out of which only If,not) tons is the licenced capacity of the Nizam Sugar Factory and the co-operative sector, vhile 16,450 tons is the licenced capacity ofthetO private sugar factories. As against that, the actual crushing per season is much more then the licenced capacity and that can be seep from the actual crushing that was done during this year. The total crushing that was done during 3971-72 is 83 lakhs 9 thousand tons out of which the private sugar factories count for 18,75,146 tons against 11,34,00 * tons by co-opera^ tive and public sector sugar factories. That shows that crushing as well as licenced capacity is much more in the private sector than in

the co-operative and public sector. Out of these 10 private sugiat

factories, there are three big factories, viz. K. C. P. Ltd. of VuyyRKM*

Sugar Factory at Chagallu and the Andhra Sugar Factory at Tanuku*

These three factories can be called big as can be seen from the invest

aaenf as well as crushing capacity. The K. C. P. Lt& alone crushed

Resolution: 30tb June, 19?2, 429 fg: Nationalising all private-owned sugar

factories.

5,03,030 tons this season which is the maximum in this country which constitutes one-sixth of the entire Stite. So also the Chagallu factory which crushed 3,5^,030 tons and odd while the Andhra Sugar Factory at Tanuku crushed 3,45,000 tons. If the totai crushing that was made by these three factories put together comes to 12 lakhs of tons, in constituting 40 per cent of the totai crushing. The entire invest­ment that is made in these U private factories, because the invest* ment is also important for us to know the quantum of compensation that may be paid to them if they are nationalized, is, as originally entered in the books, is Rs. 14.48 crores out of which the investment in these three big factories alone comes to about Rs. 7.82 crores It means that M per cent of the total investment in a!l the ten factories was made in thsse three big factories. So, it is clear that so for as this State is concerned, t. e licenced crushing capacity, the actual crushing per season and the actual investment are much more in the private sector, in these ten sugar factories than in the co-operative and public sector. Apart from this they are a!so allowed in those good old days to have their own distilleries. By Distilleries they use their own mctasses for tire manufacture of alcohol and I need not say any­thing more on thmt as the House is well aware of the margin of profit that was made out of of alcohol during the last several years.

N o w , there is another very important fact about the sugar industry and sugar production* This :s the only industry in which the scope of making maximum profits, one may say, equivalent to the entire investment of the Industry in one, single year is present. This industry is the only industry perhaps in the entire country and m o e so in our State, where the profits made per year are equivalent to the entire investment. This can be veriRed from our own Govern­ment sugar factory at Bodhan, i* e. the Nizam Sugar Factory; it made some times Rs. 2.0 crores aid some times Rs. 3.0 crores in a single year which is more than the investment made in the Factory. O n similar lines? the K. C. P. Ltd. must have made much higher profit running into several crores of rupees inasmuch as the crushing that was made by it was far larger than the Nizam Sugar Factory. But, why were we unable to know the exact amount of profit that was made by the KL. C. P. Ltd. It is because the K. C. P. Ltd. never put its balance sheet separately for its sugar factory unit; they m:x up their balance sheet in a composite form reflecting several other indus­tries, in order to conceal the real proSts that are made in their sugar factory at Vuyyur. They prepare the balance sheet in a composite manner reflecting the composite profits and losses that are made in the IL C. P. Ltd. including their Workshop at Madras and other con­cerns. That means, had they shown the balance seperatejy for their sugar industry, it would have been possible for us to know that they have made more than Rs. 4 to Rs. 5 crores in a single yea?, having regard to the crushing tMt was made and having regard % the comparison that we can m a ^ W i t h the profits or lassas tdat wara made by our own Govern^nt factory at Bodhag. Therefor, J( wou!d beg of the Minister for Industries ta insist on %*e prepara&oa of a separate balance sbee$ for the' K* C- P. Ltd. Vuyyur to enable us t% know th^ profit or loss made by the sugar factory alone without 4^afp3iag H$ stags §f a & w a with their other units, Ja this regard.

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factories.

th^re was big cortroversy in U* P. and Bihar some time ago regarding the power of nationalisation, whether the State Government has comp.tence o the power u^der the Constitution to nationalise the sugar industry. There was really a lega! controversy and after a iot of discussion at various levels it was now decided that both the State Govemmef t as v,eH as the Centre have jurisdiction and competence to enact legislation to nationalise the sugar industry. Tnat means, the State as *e!l as the Central Government can do so, but in the case of ratioralisation the compensation that has to be paij to the sugar industry has to be paid by the State Government.

\o w , what are the main considerations that have to be taken intoacco nt for accelerating the process of nationalists i* this Srate. inasmuch as we have already accepted the principle of nation i-lifation v ith regard to sugar industry. But ^hy ir st^ouM be done sooner th n later. As the Mover of the Resolution saiJ, these pri­vate sugar factories even after making crores of rupees profit durmg the la^ four year, specially under our partial decontrol policy, they are not in a position, they are reluctant, they are unwilling to pay adequate cane price to the growers in the Andhra region. This par* tial de-control policy with 60 ner cent levy and 4 ) per cent o^en mar­ket for some time or 70 per cent levy and 30 per cent op remarket was specifically evolved to enat le the sugar factories to pay more price to the cane gr wers It was not the intention of the Central Goven ment to aHow the sugar factories to make more p o6t .nd tHs point was rep atelly st essed in the Parliament by the Union Mnisterfbr Food who announced the policy decision of the Central Government. But as against .hat, the extra proRts thdt were earned by these facto^ ries on account of this policy were entirely cornered and utiiised by these sugar factories, without anything substantial being passed . n to the growers. Whenever a representation was made to the State Government. I am in a position to say about that because I have betn representing the Sunar-cane Growers of this State as President of the?r Association-rhat the co-operative sugar factories and th* public undertaking factory, namely, the Niznm Sugar factor/ have been paying adequate price after negotiation with tnem, bjt at the aame ,ime the other sector, in ths Andhra region about 10 private Retorts-are not paying inspite of the fact that they were partkipat-mg ;n the conferences and are also seeing the reason und national about the payment of higher can?-pnce, the State Government, mor6 than once, felt helpless under the present enactment, to enforce the prtvate sugar factories to pay adequate pnee which they are not onty moraliy bound to pay but under the prhcy if was also meant that higher price should be paid to the cane-growers. Tberef *re, this is one of the main reasons a valid reason for us to nationalise M^se factories which are violating the principle of higher payment a& t&s cane grower. By natiomnismg alee, Government w o u M get % i necessary power to pass on the real profits out of the pugar pypdj%& tion to the cane-growers. Therefbre,J u^gp ,th&t when the p i ^ g factories are net wiMing t*x pay ^ # ^ 3 ^ 9 ^igp witiiyin 3h% ^ g ^

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State factories are paying and we are in a helpless position to enforce that formula of payment of higher price to the cane-growaers, then that is a valid reason to nationalise the Private Fajtones.

The second point is, as yon know, sugar is a common ccmme-dity c nsumed by ail sections of society on the one hand, and, on the oth*r, the entire raw material bei^g sugar cane, the tifeand subs ance oflakhsofcane-gro^ers all over the state, namely, agriculturists, depend upon the successful functioning o^ the sugar fact nes in our State. Therefore, there ca not be a better consideration than this name!y, to aHbrd a better pri:e and better facility ta c ne growers on the one hand and on the other to pas<* on sugar at lesser rate to the consumer. Givirg remunerative and adeq ate price t j the cane growers would be another consideration for legislation to national e sugar industry in our S:ate.

The third point, Sir is: the sugar industry in the State is making enormous profits on account of the hightr sugar recovery content and on acrount also of hjgher 3 ield from the c^ne ReHs. The industry is supposed to diversify the capital hat is canned out of sugar industry and they are s jpposed to insta! more sugar production units. It is difRcult to mobilise capital for a capital intensive industry like sugar industry. It take^ more than Rs. ?t crores to mstal a new unit and in these days noboGy-neither :he cane growers nor the public is ia a position to mobilise resources by way of share capital to instal any one single factory in any one distrit* iherjbre, itoughtto have been the policy an apprcach o^ this in ustry to expand by erec:ing or installmg ew units, ir stead of merely keeping this money with them without utilising this amount either for the r ;pansioa of the industry by installation of new industries or setting up any other allied industries to provide employment potential as well as to farn more amount for the Sta*e. Since they ^re not making use of the capital that is earned at a very great rate by nationalising the industry, the State would be in a position to have recourse to these huge proRts and resources mobilisation that can be inve ted for the erection of new sugar factories and other allied indus nes connected with the sugar industry, for creating more employ* ment potential for the workers- O n account of the private sector factories functiong in their own way unbfiddled and unhampered, they are also having their own distilleries. Alcohol has tgoone a sommodtty w&eraby huge proRt is being earned. Therefore, "n account of nationalisation, distilleries that are now ia the hands of each sugar factory cap also come under the jurisdiction of the Government, and the Go^ern^-ment can have a very uniform poiicy for regulatiag alwh<% industry as well as sale of alcohol ia the eating Sitats diuaiHaa* ting all chat.ces, of corruption, mi use and abuse of this eog^pi^y. The 6&h pomt is, since there is centro! of molasses, thesa p d v ^ e SMg%f factories are not sur%a& !efia#t&e entire oiase§ to the 3 # 3 % * ment on requisition a ^ b%J^&o& w ^r<^c aad h^ ^ i ^ g ^ ^ t a # 6 of jgome loopholes in (he regt^at}pa, it j#^ing m ^ a ^ e ^ m % t ^ 4 ^ # ^soM ia the Mack-m^^ket- 'N^w, "wh4t K h # &?a$Merat! M 0^ p^im-^j^lo^ th^t ghpu'd be^vdjt^ed for nat:iona!is&t!o^ of t&ia iad^stry. As you know Sir, recently, ia U.P. they have enacted legislation,^aai^aa* Msnig selectively U sugar stories $ud pre$tin$ a Corpora^oa & * the

432 30th June, 1972. Resolution ? re : Nationalising al! private-owned sugar

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management of sick miils in that State. O n the same lines J would suggest it may not be profitable to nationatise al the 10 sugar facto­ries, at one and the same time, but we can take to selective ba^s of nationalising the three big &ctorites, namely, K.C.P., ChagaHu and Tanuku factories, which own 33 percent of the total i lvesrment in the enure private sector and at the same time create a corporation to manage not oniy these factories but even the other 7 sick m lis which are functioning not so weil- I would again elaborate this point For want of large amounts required by way of compensation and also for want of managerial pcsonnei and other considerations, let the Government nationatise hi the first instance on a seiective basis these b g factories, i, e , K.C.P,, Tanuku and ChagaHu, and incorporate a Corporation to look after tiie day to day management and other thi igs of the other seven factories rise, so that we need not pay compensation for acquiring management right in rspect of 7 factories; at the same time, we can improve the functioning of those seven private factories aho and also see that the cane price o the growers and the cane cess to the Government and al! other liabilities, to whatever secto they might be due, can be passed on in time and without any hardsh-p* So I would suggest that the Hon. Minister might cvo ve a formula whereby he can on a selective basis nationalise these thiee factories and create a Corporation. As regards the payment of compensation, we need not be frightened by the amount of compansation, seeing the origina) investment of Rs. 14,43,00.000. That is the amount tnat is entered originaiiy in the hooks but *n regard sugar factory what is seen is that the gross block and the net Mock in aH, even w^ embark upon a policy of nationalisation of aM the ten facories in our State, we need not pay more than Rs. 6 crores in view of their own book gross block value. It is less than Rs. 6 crores and that can be paid in 2 years;e\en this amount we can pay from the amount that we m a y get from the Central Government. That is why I am suggesting that the amount of Rs. 6 crores can easily be paij from out of e profit of these three factories alone in any "single year. The/ have made more than Rs. 2 crores each by way of profits in a single )ear. Therefore, the profits of these three factories should be erough and equivalent to the amount of compensation that Government may be called upon to

pay in regard to compensation. Therefore, the amount of proB% that would be earned by these factories would not only be sufRcient to pay for the compensation hut would aiso be available for introduction or installation of ne v units in various districts. The industry though biggest in the State is concentrated only out of 21 districts in 6 dis­tricts only, and in Tetangana in oniy one district. The dispersal of this industry should be even and spread over at least 16 to IS Districts in the State. So, 1 suggest that in order to instal more sugar units in our State, these proRts alone are sufBcient to expand the industry. Before that, m y suggestion is that Government shouid appoint a small expert Committee to attend to legislation about nationalisation and to see to things which are necessary for this purpose. ,:

Resolution .< $0th June, 1972. 433 n?: Nationalising a!l private-owned sugar

factories.

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Sri M . Narayana Reddy :—For the information of m y hon 6ri ead, I had already informed the Minister that I vould be speaking in Knghsh.

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Sri M . Narayana Reddy : - In order to facilitate you, I would not create difficulties for myself.

Now, Sir, a Committee is to be appointed to consider certain points. Firstly, What is the basis on which compensation is to be paid to various factories that may be nationa!ised ? Second!y, what would be the managerial requirements of nationalisation; what would be the extent of technieal and other managerial requireme its of each factory to put it on a smooth and even functioning ? Th rdiy, if there is to be selective nationaiisaticn of three or four factories, Iiow should the other six o? seven factories be managed under the Corporation. Therefore, I would suggest to the hon. Minister to constitute a Co­mmittee to go into these details.

As regards payment of cane price to growers and cess by the facto­ries, the Government feel themselves helpless. I would like to inform the Government that if they have recourse to the measure which I a m going to sugest just now there would be no difficulty with regard to the payment by the industry of the sugarcane price to growers ash weli as arrears.Sri Sarvaraya Sugar MiHs, the K C.P., and the Andhra Sugars, Tanuku, have applied for expansion. Expansion of the industry results in expansion of proSts. If we withhold the expansion, they will come running to us, Secondly, even without obtaining ex­pansion licence from Government, they are producing much more than the licensed capacity. If this is curbed, then also they w M come round and pay the arrears.

The Sugar Mills are obtaining crores of rupees from the Co* HHnercial Banks and pledging their stocks to these banks. In the Agreement it is envisaged that half the money that they are taking from the Banks would be to meet the payment of cane growers. Though they are saying so and putting a clause in the Agreement they are not implementing it. if the Sugarcane Rules of the Act-Section 9, subclause (I) (a) of the A<%*-are amended to cover tM$

434 20$h June, 1972. Resolution i )r% : Nationa ising alt private-owned sugnr

factories.

contigency, that is to say that if the miHs do not pay the cane growers to the extent cf 3 0 % of the money drawn by them from these commerce! banks, the sugar in the godown w o J d not be released; it would remain under the control of the bank concerned. It wouid be then very easy to bring pressure on the sugar facto­ries to faH in li< e and pay the growers.

Secondly, the factories do not have to pay any interest on the arrears payable to the cane growers. Therefore, as long as they go on deiaying this payment they would be in a position to have the capital Stnce there is no penal interest or any other interest payable t" the growers, it is always easy to withheld this payment. Our Act should be amended to incorporate a clause regarding payment of not only the normal interest but also penal interest. The interest was 0 % when the banks were paying 5 % . h-ow the ban& interest itse f is 1 0 % normally and therefore a higher interest of 1 0 % should becharged and after that there should be a penal interest of 13 to 2 J per cent.

Similarly, there is the cane cess. The $ugar factories do not pay the can ecess ; by going to Court or doing some pa:rvi they are able io withhold 5o%ofthe cane cess. There is no provision to demani interest on this or to demand immediate payment. There­fore, the Act shou'd be amended to see that they pay the cess imme* diateiy ; Otherwise they would be liable not only to interest and penal interest but they would not be able to re!ease their sugar. A H these things have been amended in U. P, which is the most modern legisla­tion brought up in the iarger interest of the public a, d the cane growners I would appeal to the Minister to see that these amend­ments are carried oit in the Act. It is not enough to say that under the present Act i&e are m a helpless position. If we are helpless let us amend it to cloLhe ourse!ves with more powers to pass on legiti­mate profits by way of higher cane price to the growers.

Lastly, the su^ar industry is a highly contrclled industry. The price ofsugar is not only controlled, but it is also governed by the Tariff Commission formula.

You will be surpr<sed to know, Sir, the cost of sugar per bag does not exceed Rs, 130 according to the formu!a given by the Tariff Commission in t%9 and which is m force even now as it has been enforced by the Central Government* If the cost of the sugar per bag is onty Rs. 130 to 35 including the Central Excise Duty and all other duties, we can well imagine the profits when this sugar is being sold at Rs, 2^0, and 30) in the open market and at Rs. 180 under the levy. Tnere is no other industry in this State which earns so much profit. It is high time that we see that this industry, either wholely or partially, is i.ationali'ed in larger interests of the pubiie.

The other important pomt which I bring for the consideration of the hon. Minister for Agriculture is about the sugarcane growings area in our State* W e had last year (1969-70) a figure of 3,76,<W^ acreage under sugar cane in the entire State- As agaiast !hat?w tb§/ current season 1970-71 it was reduced to 2,64,030 acraSj* It is m o n e ^ thaa 1,10,000 acres, seduction in a siqgley &ea* ia th% a w < e ^ g a a g w & / ,

Resolution: 3Cth June, 1972. 4 M re: Nationalising all private-owned

sujar factories.

That shows thdt the growers are fed up with the attitude of the private su^ar factories. They feel that it is not at ail proBtable to grow sugarcane in this area and they have diverted their attention }o other commercial crops which fetch more income, This is an impor­tant aspect from the Government policv point of view in order to encourage more commercial crops as is mentioned in the budget speech of the hon. Fi ance Minister, which brings lot of money R>r purposes of resources mobilha&on H o w would we do it? W e can achieve this only by ensuring adequate and remunerative price to growers. That ve can do cither immediately by withholding the expansion schemes, or curbing the over-production of licenced units and amendmg the Sugarcane Act of 1961, and nationalising them selecnvely. Unless that is done the sugar industry will not come round.

There is another aspect from the political point of view, since ive are puttini ceilings on agriculturaljholdings and also on urban property. This sugar industry in so far as Andhra Pradesh is concerned, is a sector which has a terrible money power. There is no other sector in this State which ean manage and mobilise resources within days aid at a very s^ort moment It is not wise when ^e are implementing socialistic policies, apart from any other consideration, to leave a ringle sector ith such fantastic resources in its hand. Otherwise it wil exercise a strangle hold on, or interfere and meddle with, and even disrupt the very thing that ne cherish and want to achieve. It is also necessary to see that a single sector or a group of few per* sons, are net given the opportunity or benefit of concentrating crores ofrupees in their hands. Easy money h*s an element of mischief that can spread and expand to various other Beids and it would certainly exercise on the democratic way of life and other good things which w e want to achieve.

Thank you, Sir.

Sir, 1 move :—''This House recommends to the State Govern­ment to take early steps for the nationalisation of private sector sugar industries in the State/'

M r . Deputy Speaker : -Motion moved.

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sugsr factories.

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414 80th June, 1972. , Resolution: 7-g ; Nationalising all private-owned

sugar factories.

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446 30th June, 19?^, , Resolution: h?; Nationalising aH private-owned

sugar factories.

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Resolution: 30th June, W 2 447 r%: A pp. inting a Commission of Enquiry to

suggest wa)s and means for aUeviating the abject and miserable conditions of backward and neglected professional classes;

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§s^. D. rjd!bo^u^$) : — ^ ^ n r - t ^ o ^5^jj W e have no objection o prss the resolution unanimously. W e will be happy But there are certiin aspects of the resolution on which we cannot agree 3 ^ e?l§a ^c&r^j This Assembly recomends to the Central Govel rnrrent to nationalise ail private-owned Sugar Factories as early as practicable/' e^oR R ^ e^go^Bo ^ d ) . ^c^^o ^ ^ b ^Xb Sboiroo. €$?6j^^^b^^ 2ir**^^^jc^Jo vc^) taR^R 9 ^ y we reed not restrict to one way of nationals tion* Therefore, let us pass the M ! o vii^ rfcluth'i i,e. " I is Assembly recommends to the Centra! Government 1 baticnalise aH pri^ate-ov.ned Sugar Factories as early as practicable*"

Mr. Deouty Speaker :—Now, I will put the ammecded Resolution to vote.

The q ?estion is:

' Tnis AssemMy recommends to t e Central Government to nationalise all private-owned Sugar Factories as eaily as practicable"

Tin resolution was adopted-

Sri C. V.K.Rao:—The Chief Minister has brought forth

certain amendment.

Mr. Deputy Speaker:—-With the amendment it is passed.

r<?: appointing a Co.amission of Enquiry to suggest ways and mean's for aUeviating the abject and miserable Conditions of back ward and neglected piofessionai classes.

Mr. Deputy Speaker:—Now we go to another resolution in the name of Sri Ch. Paras.iram Naidu.

Sri Ch. Parasuram Naidu (Parvathipuram): I beg to move i ''This House having considered tbe^abject and mi erabte condi­

tion of the extremely backward und neglected professional classes iike the potters, the fishermen, thedhobis, theBevarasand Gollas etc. recommends the Government to appoint a Commission of Enquiry for suggesting ways and means of alleviating their time immemorial misery and make them lead a better and secure life/'

Mr. Deputy Speaker :—Motion moved.

Sri Ch. Parasuam Naidu:—This Resolution concerns moat backward and neglected professional and occupations! classes #f people who have been suffering since ages, by traditional occupations and professions which are not remunerative. I nasaa, U s parte

448 SOth f ULe, 1^7e. , Resclutioa / : Appointing a Commission of Enquiry to

suggest ways and means for alliviating the abject and miserable conditions of backward and neglected professional classes.

who are in our society such as fishermen, dhobis, gollas weavers and the like and so on. t' eir condition is really miserable, pitiable and much worse. I am very happy that the Government has come for­ward to shire some part of thsir responsibiiity towards these classes ofpeopieafrer 5 years of Independence If these people are receive ing some attention, no doubt, it is a matter of satisfaction. The attention given is oot suScient and commensurate with the neeas of these people. Thrse people are so down-trodden, backward and oppressed. Therefore, actual! more feciiities and more allotments offunds should be given. The programme is gigantic About 3 5 % of the population, socially and educationally backwardclasses con­stitutes majority of the peopie. I don't want to propose on behalf of those people. But I confine myself to t!ie cesses of people who are all very poor, suffering and semi-naked and semi-starved, in theis existence.

I may just bring to the notice of the House about the classes of people iike the potters. He aLd his wife, day in and day out will be labouring ail the ?4 hours in dirty conditions. But they are not having even a mouthful of ibod for their existence. H e is always semi-nacked. His stomach is al va^s hungry. Per ihat man what is this Government d ing ? Is there any measure that the Government is taking. Simply they ask m e to form intoaCc-operative Society. Nothing comes ou> of it and that profession is going out moded and pottery making is going to be disturbed. People will not purchase pots except a few. M e n are going to purchase utensils made of metal or otherwise, but not these. What are yo i giving for these people ? M y approach to the problem is to bring him into men of civilised community and make him a responsible citizen. It should be an approach,* a qualitative one but not in quantity. In the name of improving their conditions you are providing. But do you mean that Dhobis shou!d take to only Dhobi's profession ? H e should be given better education. H e shouid be provided with adequately better facilities and we have to see that they have to socially change. The approach to the problem has to cl ange. A fundamental approach is reqrired. You have taken in the Budget, the social economic trans­formation. That is not brought about by providing to the Jallars toe Nylon nets. What is being done to the fishermen ? T o the coastal Rchermen. seme pattas are to be given. Some industries are to be situated. Vast number of 6sh*rmen are living in the interior parts of the coastal area. What are you doing? You are simply leasing on concession to Rsh in the tanks and they are struggling for existence and that is always contin. ing. I have been seeing on the tankbunds in the night even in winter. They go away from the house at 10 O' Clock in the night, They bring some Jalacharams. But his wife and children sell them. You provide them with nylon net. That may be &ome relief and that may be some advantage But it is not a thing. The thing you have to sincerely do is to draw him out of that tradi*

Resolutions: 8oth lUt.e, 19?2^ 449 y% : Appoint.ng a CcmmJssijn of Enquiry to

suggest \ ays and means for animating the abject and miserable conditions of backward and neglected professional classes.

tion to the civiii ed community. They have traditional ykiHs. They are very skHled : n. They have been hnrd and ^ey labour very much. With these assets, (hey have to be utilised ii Axing some proper industries. Their economic lif^ their social vay of 1 fe ha- to be revolutionised. It is the approach that is wanting in th^ Govern­ment. That has not been doac. Now, no doubt some education has been given to Harijans after :r years but not in other matters. They are on a par with r.arijans. They h^ve a hut a^d nothing more. They are much worse than Harijans. Their problems are adequately gigantic. Hence a special Development Corporation for each occu­pation is neces ary such as a Corporation for Fruit Development, for Banana Development. For the deve cpment of these people potters, dhobis etc such corporations are necessary. I have seen in the papers. Their President also asked for som3 loans. Are they to be condemned like that permanently or is there any rethinking on the matter ? It is for this purpose that I am trying to speak on various occasions, trying to impress upon the Government. N o doubt I see in the name of social justice, in the name of social tiansfirm^fion some awakening has come in our thoughts, in the thoughts of the very oppressed people!, but that is not sufBcient. Therefore I request that this resolution is intended for the purpose of establising a Com-mittce to them on the matter because the problem is so vast and intense as the need is so much because the people are in such abject condition. A coordinated, coasistent and systematic thinking on their problems is necessary and therefore I suggest that a Commission be established for the purpose of devising measures to transform, to bring that socio-economic transformation ^hich the Budget speech of m y Hon'ble friend Mr. Bhagawantha Rao has so much advocated. Every p^ra of it speaks of $ ocio-cconomic transfermation; almost every 10 sentences are punctuated by this socio-economic transformation. Socio-economic transformation is a higher concept than the mere aids or helps for a man to simpiy better himself in the most object condition that he is, Therefore, coasistent with this high concept that the Government has placed before itself, that the Congress placed before itself, and we agree fu!ly with it. Consistent with the concept, thinking also will have to be on the giant strides which the problem requires, I can multiply instances of these various classes of people who have been suffering and described in graphic detail how really miserable they are. I don't want to take the time of this House much more than that, because I know m y Hon'ble friends sitting on the opposite side are also quite wiliing in the direction I hope this will serve as an impetus and they wi*l accept m y proposal that a Committee is necessary, a Commission is t ecessary for formu­lating, piaing systematically and helping the Government itse!f and helping us all for the purpose of doing justice on whtch they have approached the electorate. They have captivated the electorate and they have come in high number (2t&). I hope this election manifesto of which they are speaking so much as having invested (hem with a power for the purpose of the ceilings of whtch they are afraid of implementing in the urban area. Let their revoiutionary spirit be

450 80th J me, 1972. Resolutions: r<?; appointing a Commi s^cn ef Enquiry to

suggest ways nd m^' ns ibr ahhi.Ahg the abject and n:.;se ah!e c.ndidcisof backward and aejiectcd profec:joani c.asses.

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Mr. Deputy Speaker :—The discussion on this Resolution w!!! be taken up again on the re*t non-cfHcial day. N o w the Hout2 stands adjourned till 4 p. m today,

(The House then adjourned to meet again at Four of the Clock)

The House reassembled at Four of the Clock,

(Mr. Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

A N N U A L F I N A N C I A L S T A T E M E N T ( B U D G E T for 1972-T3. GhNER.^L D L C U . S I O N .

Sri M . Narayana Reddy :- Sir, I rise to support the budget presented by the Finance Minister.

Before I go to the points arising from the budget, I woutd !P:e to refer to his own speech on the first page:

"I also recall, having assured the House that we shall not merely be content with getting better results within the existing frame* work of ecoomic and social institutions but atl endeavour to mould and re-fashion these so that they contribute effectively to the realisation of wider and deeper social values'*.

Basing on this I would like to suggest that the evenue expen­diture R e m 1937-^8 to i9?*;-7 ha. grown f^ tfrnes while expenditure on capital outlays has grown only twice the amumt. IhL wi le gap between the revenue expenditure and cap tal expenditure has so be bridged in the larger intere ts of the people. If the revenue expendi­ture is to mou: t up at the co t cf capital expenditure, I do not think that we will be able to realise what we aim at la, 957-58, the revenue expenditure and the whole budget was Rs 30 crores while it is now Rs. 344 crores. Thus it has grown up by 6^ times, i. e., what the Raance Ministers spent in the last about IS years, rom -967-1W), our great Finance Mintster has spent in two years. Therefore, there is great need for economy in wasttfui expenditure, reduction in nan-plan and non-essential items, i position of ceilings on expenses of establishment of high dignitnies and oSicers* For instance, the expendituie on Raj B h u a n rose up from about 4 iakhs to 28^ 'akhs, i. e., by 6^ times. So also on the mini ,fe sand oth.r high dignitaries* it rose up by 6& times. Unless economies are tHected at higher leveh, it may not be possible to economise the expenditure at the lower ie?e&s* It is always better to set an example at the higher levs! $& that thebaH may b& moving to the lowest level cf the Administration iayhe State.

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452 30th Jun\ 1972* Annual Financial Statement (Budget J for 1972-73:

(Genera! Discussion).

iathetsxlawsin ^erms of the recommendations of the Wanchoo Committee. Stcandly, the tax arrears are said to be more than Rs. 70 crores under various heads. At least 25 per cent of the collection of arrears oftaxes,;dvances and leans should every year be our objec­tive, so as to increase capita! outlays and expenditure on p!an items* So also we should strengthen the administrative machinery in our public undertakings so that they may run smcothly and efficiently. More earnings from public undertakings alone will contribute to our reasources mobilisation. Next there is great scope and need for the upward revision of betterment levy under big projects. So also there is need to revise irrigation cess as it is now levied As you know, under the Betterment Levy Act, there is provision which authorise the Government to ]evy betterment levy to the extent of half of the increase in the capita! value from the date of notification of the project to the date of giving water to those lands. There is thus any amount of scope ii this regard. In the past it might not have been desirable or proper in the view of Government to increase thit> levy from the politica! point of view; but it is high time that we make a departure from the past and see how best this betteiment levy can be collected on the lands that are beneRted under the project. There is scope from Rs. 500 to Rs l,0t)0 minimum per acre, with reference to this levy. So atso there is scope for graded sales tax on the consumer. goods used by the upper strata of society. Tnere may not be scope to increase sales tax on such items which are consumed by the lower classes; but there is definitely scope in increasing the tax on those goods which are consumed by higher strata of society.

As you know. Sir, in the budgets of these days specially, it is not the formula Jon or authorisation that is so important as the factor of the budget—planning how best we spend the amounts to realise the objective of the budget. For this performance budget as reco­mmended by the Administrative Reforms Commission has not been fully followed by our StateGovemment in as much as they have given this only in respect of one department, namely, Agriculture depart­ment, although two departments are mentions d in the introduction to the budget. I have not seen with regard to the Social Welfare depart­ment.

Sri A. Bhagawantha Rao:—During the course of the diseu&. ssions, it will be supplied.

Sri M . Narayana Reddy:—What I submit is that if theperRM^ mance budget is prepared fbr all such departments that have to deal with plan outlays, we will be able to know and judge the results in terms of financial as well as physical terms* That is the real criterion to see how these amounts which are authorised by t! e assembly aye spent in the Relds of \arious schemes and plans. So 1 would suggest to the hon. Finance Minister to see that at least during the next yea? such performance budget is prepared fbr all those departments w M c h are directly connected with the plan.

Sir, regarding financial discipline that is to be exeroiged b y # # Finance Department, I would make a few sugggst?o3s. T M & ^ necessary in view <?f the fact %bat if you go through the SgM%3& o ^ ^ $ '

Annual Financial Statement (Budget) 30th June, 19T2. 453 fbr 1972-73.

(General Discussion).

past, you wiil observe that in 66-67 an amount of Rs. 34 crores ex* cess expenditure was incurred on 25 voted grants; so also in the following years 67-63 Rs. 6 crores on t3 voted grants, m 68-69 Rs. 8 crores on 14 voted grants and 69-70 Rs 4 crores on merely 5 voted grants. This could be a\oided oy cioser scr. tiny of the estimates as well as the schemes- If the schemes and estimates are prepared with b e t t e r i m a g i n a t i o n , there would not be any necessity to exceed the amounts by crores of rupees It only shows that ^ere is no proper ti ought given at the time of preparation of the schemes and estimates. These things should be avoided in future so as to avoid reappropria^on by supplementary demands.

With regard to de!egation of financial powe S, Sir, in our Government, unlike in other States and at the Centre Io% of powers are concentrated in the Finance Department which almost acts as a parallel Government. W e have reports of the various Administra­tive Reforms Committees as wed as the Centtal Administrative Re­forms Commission, where they have suggest.d that delegations of powers to the administrative departments is as important as scrutiny of the estimates by the Finance Department. I must h^re quote the observation^ of the Anantaraman Committee Report:—

" .The result is that fbr every minor item of expenditure prior concurrence of the Finance Department has to be obtained This is a time-consuming process and the d:lay in the issue of sanction results in considerable overheads being added to the capital cost, quite often affecting its economy. It looks as though itemised economy ib given more importance than \oted economy, an attitude certainty not sound in principle. Tr e present concepts of financial controls extend to the examination of technical details of schemes to and work programmes and raising of objections even though the Finance Department is not fully equipped fbr the purpose/'

This is a very cogent and proper observation fbr the Finance Department. Once estimates are sanctioned they need nt4 go into the minutest details because the moment the sanctions are delayed, it also results in adding to the expenditure, Whatever they want to save by going into minute details is always added o the cost of the estimates because of the delay involved. It is always better to leave such things more to the administrative Ministry. N o w there are no Financial Advisers in the Administrative Departments* It is betttr to restore them and leave such scrutiny to them. In this regard I may also quote the Central Administrative Reforms Commission which is worth noting and worth adoption by us:

^Within the limits of debudget provision and subject to the o b s e r v a n c e o f financial principles and t^e standards a&d Standing procedures prescribed under the various rules aa^i Orders, the Administrative Ministries are free to iacur expenditure m exajpc^ofth^ Powers debated to thet^ aad 3Bo Megance to the Haaace Ministry *s woesaary The Secretary of the A ^ g # a 4 ^ % !4acMaegy can 3ls3 over-rule the a4v$ee givga &y t ^ K M t a ^ Fgaaa^u; Arisen. The Saoratadea $ ^ 6 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ W g ^ ^ ^ g ^ eretiea in sanctioning 9xpeadi$w wit&ia %&g <Mkj^tg# H !% aS^

454 30th Juae, 1^71. Anna tt Financia St^te neat (Budget) for 1972-73.

(General Discussion).

follows from this that each Secretary must assume full responsibility for decisions ta! en in exercise of delegate po er and for watching the expenditure so that budgetary provisions are in no case exceeded. Delegation brings responsibtlity on the other Administrative Depart ments; otherwise they will be fully dependant (mthe Finance Ministry without owning am* responsibility or taking intiative in the matter."

That is way in this Government, lot o'expenditure is incurred in the month of March, th? last month of the financial year and March also goes sometimes into April. The damage that is being done by concentrated exoenditure towards the end of the financial year is ioss,badqulifyofwork and soon a.td so forth. Therefore, it is necessary that more delegation of power is given*

Sir, about debt liability I have o..e specific suggesticn to make. W e have now a staggering debt liabhity, i. e, ab3Ut Rs "53 crores of which nearly Rs 49croresisdebt servicing liability, payment of in­terest every year. More thin 5 0 % of our plan outlay is needed for servicing debt liability. I therefore suggest that it is high time that a National Debt Commission should be constituted by the Central Government to stud^ in depth the problems of indebtedness of the States suggest, ways and means for seating these debts, The stabi­lisation of the stats; finances depends upon the solution of this problem, O herwise whatever assi-tance we may getfrom the Centre will only g<* towords payment of debt servicing liability.

In regard to calamities, during the last thiee or four years there were fioods followed by drought, drought followed by fires e(c in order to meet such ca amides, there should be a National Calamities Funds at the Central level so thajt we may draw the necessary amounts from that Fund at the time of calamities. Otherwise it will bi diffi­cult or the state Government from its limited resources to n eet such emergencies which I understand had c^me to about Rs. 100 crores in our state itself during the last three year.s.

Regarding rural unemployment, ! have to^ngg^t a very desira­ble scheme for the consideration <if the hon* Minister for Finance which has already been followed by the Maharastra Government during the crash programme recently. There is no enumeration of rur<n unemp­loyment on a scientiRc basis. It is high time that in our approrch to bring in social Justice there is enumeration of rur*.l unemployment at every village so that we should know how many persons in the rural areas are unemployed and what type of work can be sh. w n for them. For this purpose, we can again fbilow the example of Maharashtra by giving the entire proceeds of the land revenue t.o the Panchayats for spending on rural works for providing employment to persons. W e sha!l be doing a great deal to eliminate rural unemployment if we do this.

Regarding Telangana allocations, T would like to point out one or two glaring instances One is, the allocation on Harijaa welfare is too low for Telangana. Out of 3y lakhs, the Harijan popHtatioam Telangana <it is about 21 lakhs while in Andhra it is atxma 28 &tkh&<-

Annua! Financial Statement (Budget) 30ta June. 1972. 435 for 1972-73:

(General Discussion),

The ratio between the two regions is 3 :4 while the allocation is on the traditional and conventiora! basis of I : 2. By this ai!ocation, we are not doing full justice to the Harijans inspite of policy direction to do greater justice to them. So, the allocation in regard to Harijans should 3 in Telangana to 4 in Andhra, and not in the present ratio. Similarly, tribes Yerukuias and Lambadis numbering more than 6 lakhs are denoti6ed in Telangana while their count-rparts in Andhra continue to remain in Scheduled tribes* I would urge upon the Finance Minister to see that these tribes which are now den jtiRed are included in the notified list and become scheduled castes for getting Central assistance.

Regarding new Railway Lines, in Telangana e\er since the Police Action during the Nizam's time, no new lines have been taken up. Whatever Lnes were there at that time on!y continue to remain. It is high time that action is taken for constructs of new lines &r which surveys and estimates are there and which can be tnken advan­tage of. I hope the Finace Minister will be able to push through these cases in the fourth and Rf,.h pian periods.

Lastly, Sir, in regitrd to expenditure, as I submitted earlier, it is not possible to economise on Revenue expenditure unless a proper example and direction is given from the top. We [must see that we say every day is translated into action. The exampte has to be set up from above in such cases and thj usual procedures dispensed with.

I hope the hon. Finance Minister wiii be able to give his atten­tion to these points in his rep!y as well as durng the year and take action on them*

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General Discussion.

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(Genera! Discussion.)

Sri F. Ayyapu Reddy (Panyam): -While appreciating and approving many a pects of the budget and while expressing my regard and respect for the views of m y good friend Mr. Bhagavantha Rao, it has become difRcult to hide m y disappointment with regard to certain aspects of th - budget The first .eason is that the budget has followed the same beat and track, the humdrum monotonous way in t* hich the previous budgets used to be prepared has been followed. There has been no refreshing change. A took at the previous budget and the comparison of the previous budgets with the present budget will fuHy amplify what I am stating, in the battie or Rght against poverty, I have to te!l m y friend that Le is far from the battle field- Of course he is expecting a big battallion from Delhi to arnve and take him to the front. H e has atso expressed his dMRrence a? d helplessness in waging the war with the slender resources of the State. M y next reas n is he has himself expressed in his speech the lack of finality to the proposals. I think it wdl be an essay in fruitless discussion if some of the views which he is expecting to come up do not arrive- His speech, of course hke an intelligent advocate, he has given a pen port ait of facts which are in his favour. But the bitter piM has been ?hoved in page. 32 That is.. " On a careful assessment of our existing Snancial resou-ces, it is now estimated that we shall be abb to finance a Plan of only Rs. 77.95 crotes. Since with an outlay of this order we shall not only be unable to fulfil the essential sphl-over commitment but run the risk of seriously jeopardising the economy of the Sta+e, it has become an economic and social compulsion to raise the Plan s&# to an acceptable level. The commitment of this Government &r the welfare of the underprivileged leaves us with no cho ce except to mobilise larger resources by way of taxation to which I shall refer to presently J"

"I shall refer to presently". The Press realty commaatedoa this sentence and they are fully justiSed,

Buf the taxation proposal has not beea re&rred to. Evidently some paras of this apeach have been dieted. Then, it is $${d "Th* Flan size has therefore now besa Rxed &t Rs. 96.34 cKMga peeping %a view the relevant considerations of the need for growth jm% tha availability of resources."

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(Genera! Discussion.)

Government wiil have to raise substantial additional resources tc bridge the gap. It is expected to cover the gap in the budget with these two measures/' Discussions will be helj with the Government of India for getting higher Central assistance. Even the State Government will have to raise substantia! additional resources to bridge the gap. It is expected to cover the gap in the Budget with these two measures. What are the two measures ? None of us know. The cat is yet to be pulled out of the bag. When these cats a^e pulled out of the bag, I don't know how many people will raise their cudgels, So with these two factors which we do not know (unknown factors) our Bu Iget has been prepared. That is why I have to say that there is

Sri A. Bhagawantha Rao :—I think he has not completely followed the Budget. Thesetwomeasures]rd!erredtoby m y friend (i) Central assistance (2) Internal resources mobilisation.

Sri E. Ayyapureddy :—Exactly, I know that. What are they ? What is the amount of central assistance and wnat are your internal resources? What are the internal resources which you are going to tap and what is the guarantee you are going to get with regard to your central assistance. These things are presumed and assumea. W e do not as yet know what shape they are going to take place. I have to say these proposals do lack finality. As a matter of fact reading page 32 and page 34 it wdl come out clearly that some portions have been deleted. He may say but the impression gained is that some portions have been deleted because the sentence that taxation proposals to which I will refer to but they have not been referred at all. But whatever it may be, we fully appreciate his difhculty, As a matter of fact these sources of the Sta e are very slender. H e has inherited a huge top heavy administrative machinery. H e has inherited three gigantic national projects which have to be implemented with slender sources of the State. Therefore it is necessary for us to concentrate and to find out ways and means by which we can certainly come out of thi financial crisis. In this respect Sir, 1 have to refer to the illuminating article written by the editorial 'Hindu' today wita regard to the Fi%h Finance Commission. I will then read a few sentences

"As Mr. Brahmananda Reddi should know how a State can be seriously handicapped on account of inadequacy of financial resources a: a time when it has numerous productive schemes to be implemen­ted, the ever hungry States would have no need to worry about where his sympathy would lie." That is he himself being the Finance Minister and the Chief Minister of the State and having argued the position end the cause of a Stats before the previous Finance Commi* sions, he certainly knows the positions of a State with respect to the Centre much more so the position of Andhra Pradesh which unRyp-tunately had committed itself to a huge jagurnat, namely the Nagarjunasagar project. I will also read certain other protons §f this editorial which are very illuminating.

"The States should not spare any effort to secure a reasonable return on the investment in irrigation and power projects. Itey should have tha courage and tact; to s e e ^ j M ^ e w h o h§3^

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(Genera! Discussion,)

deRnitely beneRted by the farm revolution pay more by way of taxation. Apart fron a rescheduling of debt repayments, there is no reason why even capitalisation of interest charges should not be thought of where it has been found that many projects haveaiong period of gestation and that period also has been unduly proionged because of slow implementation at particular stages and difBcu!ties arising out uf inadequate Rnancia! allocations. A new suggestion has b?en male tint there must be a suitable machinery for supervising reli f work in areas affected by droughts and Roods and that a national fund should be established for receiving regular eontibutioas fron the Centre and the States".

I only add one more sentence to that. It is not only a ques­tion of rescheduling the debt itself, it m u t be the scaling down of the debt especially where a State ha j taken upon itself the gigantic task ofRnancingthenationalproject, of the nature of Nagarjunasagar where all its resources had been mobilised only for pulling through that project wlnre it has taken upon itself projects of a huge dimension the Centre must certainly consider not only reschedu!ngofthedebt but rescaling of the debts. I a m quite conHdent that Sri K Brahma-nanda Reddi having known what exactly is the Rnanch! position of Andhra vis-a-vis these huge projects would certainb come to the help of the State and the sixth Finance Commission would come to the rescue of our Finance Minister. That is our sincere hope. Like a very tactful man he has not albwed .Then Sir like a very careful strategist he has not stated that he is going to tax this avenue or that avenue or this source or that source. He is certainly right and justi­fying in awai!ing. I hope he is also awaiting the Rnal summit talks. H e is also awaiting the American elections so that national and inter­national things will change and he wil! get adequate resources to push through all the important schemes, all ths social welfare schemes. Having s id this much I have to say that so far as the State itself is concerned that 'we cannot think of new sources of taxation uabss we ourselves reform our administrative machinery N o w it is well 'Down Sir, that our administrative machinery which I will call a huge giant costing us 350 crores per annum. The revenue expenditure is 630 crores. Of course many friends have expressed that there can be quite a let of suRering if only we begin to proae our departments* If we go into this it will be very difRcult for m e because department after department has expanded its coils. Probably they think that the question of solving unemployment is to expand the departments ead-lessly with the result that our present administrative machinery has become so unwieldy that every good scheme is being cwght in its coils and destroyed. Nobody is able to master this huge admiaistfa* tive machinery. I Will simply illustrate m y point by saying waf&re having a big Buke car but we have got only resources +0 speadjaggy 10 litres per month. With 10 litres per month and a buke car hpw & r they can go. With this huge jagumat of administrative machinery which is costing us Rs, 3S0 crores, we are trying to implement oaty a Plan outlay of R§. 45 crores, K isoa!y !?6th ot ^Rth 3# t&s 3#a&gshme# t&a#§es. & there a<* method? ^ thstg no way t^taiaae % ^ ^ 3 n ^ § i % u ^ ^ t & ^ y e ^ S ^ %?oo^at. Th<?ra c^ytai^ym^#be^

474 SOth June, 1972. Annual Financial Statement (Budget) fbr 197^73 :

(Genera! Discussion.)

otherwise we wiH not have the moral justiScat'on and moral courage to resort to new taxation. W e must k.iow Sir, that there are an army of engineers. W e must also know th.it we had inherited or we hal introduced the Panchayatraj system, f!iree-tier Panchayatraj sys­tem fbr (he purpose of g tting our people involved in the develop* mental activities. W c kuow that the Panchayatraj s s e/n has come to a grinding halt. W e have to merely go and visit the Panchayat Samithi ofBcc- What is the precious work they arc doing? Practi* cally nil W e have to go and see the Divisional Engineers (Mce, practically for sh months in an year they don't have any work W e have to go and see the Srisailam project. Practically an army of engineers and supervisors are there. They don't have adequate funds sufficient to make them work for more than three months. This has been the position and this going to be very dangerous position. The method of solving unemployment position is not found. There is expansion of the bureaucratic machinery The paoer work has ber n increased hy leaps and bounds, Our Pians are going on papers. There is paper work every where Even the Pol ce Department is indulging in a lot of paper work i, e. collection of statistics, mainte­nance of those things, but unfortunately people who are attendii g to the essential work, namely, going to the field, digging up of channels, removal of in sanitation, rural link road, electrification; at! these ess­entia! services. So far as these essential services are concerned there sa standstill. I would iike to know what ex^ctiy is the amount which we are spending annually on our T A. and D,A I am sure it exceeds 3 to 4 crores- Then what is the amount for maintenance of a Reet of motor vehicles, whtch the State owns. I a m sure it exceeds another 2 to 3 cores; and with such huge expenditure we think we c m bring a revolution thro jghsociaiism. I am afraid it is a far cry. So it is essential that we should te-organise, administrative machinery, and if we fail to re-organise then nothing can be carried out and taxation proposals even if we bring them wiH not yield much to us. At the same time it is necessary for m e to point out that we can certainly mobolise adequate resources. The other day, "The Indian Express", just about a month published in its front page' 'the loss of revenue to the State caused by the existing Excise Act, rules and the rate of charges duty which are levied, i brought it to the not!ceofthe Excise authorities. Probably it has not been receivsd, in (he Taxa­tion Department or Finance Department* There has to be a cbse scrutiny of work by all the Departments, especially, taxation depart ment and Excise Department. 1 here must be serious attempt to plug all the Idopholes in the taxation laws.

I have to make a somewhat proposal with regard to social changes. Ofcourse, I expected that our Finance Minister will strike absolutely mdical note in his sp?ech, but nothing of that sort has been done.

If we are serious enough to bring reform and socialism, w§ : cannot overlook the begger problem- They have to be rehabilitated' A few months ago, one of our Hoa'Me Ministers had promised to ^ bdug about legislation abrtlishing beggary. Can aa^ $t$te $a!t M y ^ g

Annua! Financial Statement (Budget) 30th June, 1972. 473 for 1972 73:

(General Discussion.)

a 'Civilized State', having a swarm of beggers asking f r food-even at theg^tes near our Legislative Assembly. There arc number of beggars who have been starving s w e months. It is a blot on c;vili* zation- W e cannot ca!l ours a Civilized State when thfre are so many beggars. This problem has be^n there since years. Even the able-bodied persons are resorting to begging. Atleast by the next Financial year, I hope, our Fimnce Minister will take the first fun­damental step to abolish beggary.

It will be a symbolic gesture on the part of our Finana? Minis­ter, if arrangements are m^ie to declare the 'Greens Land', as a rehabilitating aid holiday centre for the industrial labourers. A few lakhs (say 3-4 lakhs) will not matter much. The i tdustrial labour, the labour in the State will feel a sense of involvement, and will feel that it is his State, and he is being cared for, and better looked W e must start 3-^ such Centres, where we can allow our industrial labour, or labour as a whole, to rehabilitate themselves- ihis is done in all Socialist States

I would request the same for our fVon*Gazetted OfHcers (NGOs.). After a!i their service often twetve years, what they get is a few rupees as increment. Therefore, wc must start some recreation or holiday centres for our NGOs. He cannot think of the best things of lifr* After all his sincere and devoted service he gets only a few rupees increase in his salary by way of increment*

SriT. PurushothamRao(^Vardannapet):—I think my Mend is suggesting some proposals which a n relevant to af&uent society, and not to a Society in which we live,

Sri E. Ayyapu Reddy : -I wonder? if m y friedd is thinking that these are the things which are found only in an afBuent society, I would say they are found even in Socialist Society-

N o w what is happening to our Guest House aid Palaces, They are opened to only a few privileged.

Sri T. Purushotbam Rao :—There are certain things wMeh are relevant to an aiHuent society. There are other things which m<Ae a society afBueat.

Sri B. Ayyapu RedJy:—What I am saying is that no amount o f m a n e y w M satisfy or give that BHH'ity of eqyoymeat. Supposing an N+GtQ-has given the ten or twelve best years of his H&, aad W9%%e3 for ten stannous years; Cant we make hipi a '{State Qaest*,. &*f a week. Then they wiH feel a s e w M i a v p l v § m g # ^ $ # feel that they are being looked gAe? weH, M ^ w ^ ^

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(he worker fee!s that this State is his and that this palace is his. Let us convert the Falaknuma palace into Labour Rehabilitation Centre; it does not matter; it is not going to cost us more than KsJEO.O lakhs.

With regard to unemployment, we are spending Rs- 2.0 crores on education, Rs.70 crores on genera! education and Rs.2 crores on medicai education. For what purpose are we spenJing? W e are giving Rs.73 lakhs as scholarships; for what purpo^ are we giving? Is it to turu out frustrated oung men who have to well the list of persons unemployed in the Employment Exchanges? H e y are not Employment Exchanges. They are Unemployment E?chan^es; the number of unem­ployment Exchanges; the number of unemployed given now is 2,;o,003 latest* Recently, the Tamil Nadu Government started a scheme under which every graduate and every under-graduate is enrolled, given some training and than utilise him. I would like our Govern­ment also to start a youth core or youth force, or by whatever name you may call it, where young men are prepared to serve H.e State-let, itbeseeper'sjoborroad-maistryjob or anything- But the Govern­ment must be in a position to give it. Having sp^jtRs.TH crores for training them and after that they are thrown out, i-: is not good. If is essential to tackle the unemployment problem. In the morning we see a person who is seeking a job; in the evening we &ee a person who is seeking a job. I may say that if has become dif&cult for m e to go to m y constituency and to m y village-Bverywhere I get 10,!2, 13 appli cations seeking employment saying please get meajob. Sir, begging, begging; it has become diBiculttosee them. Out of Rs.79 crores which vou arsepending on education, you have to set part some per­son of it for the purpose of utilising, mobilizing and organizing our young men for national service. The Tamil Nadu Government has set an example and that has to be followed.

Lastly, Sir, we have to nationalise sugar and cement industries* In the plan itself Rs. 1.0 crore has been set apart. I will read one sen­tence from The Review of the State Plan and Economic irends'.This is however, in order to provide tentative employment for them, i.e. engineers, a provision of Rs.1.0 crore has been made under various schemes for investigation and survey of certain projects." W e have set part Rs.1.0 crore for that. Instead of that, I suggest that we take over sugar industry as we!I as cement industry and utilise the in­come on these unemployed engineers*

Sri B. Ratnasabhpathi:—May I ask the hon* Member (Mr AyyapuReddy) one thing? H o w are we to run these public enterprises. N o w we have public enterprises which have become ces-pools of corruption* If the hon. Member suggests how to root our corruption in public enterprises, before nationalizing other units it would b3 better.

Sri E. Ayyapu Reddy : — M y friend with w h o m I parted com* pany a decade ago and of course, we are not in a position to see eye to eye now, is asking me a question.This same criticism has been fhara against every public undertaking, criticism of their Rnaacia! M ^ n a s / niis-usesar<d abuses of resource,, of course? it is very dR%3u}t ^ ^ 3$Qn,t<^Qvinceh;m, . ' ^ , ^ ;

Annua! Financial Statement (Budget) 3(%h lune, l9?i. 4?^ for 1972-73:

(General Discussion.)

Sri B. Ratnasabhapathi:—I am not suggesting to him that he should tell m e new {to run profitably these public undertakings* There are certain public enterprises which are running in loss, 1 cannot question him. I a m only asking him to suggest how this corruption could be weeded out. Let him clearly understand the word 'corruption'.

Sri B. Ayyapu Re .dy :—Corruption is boun 1 to be there in a capitalist society. It is a relat onship of an individual to property that m^kes him to corrupt: When once we change those va!*ucs, corruption will disappear corruption which m y friend is thinking of.

I must also say that the political atmosphere is quite clean and our Council of Ministers are certainly doing their hsst in keeping the dignity, unity and welfare of the State. With those few words, I resume m y seat.

Sri B. Ratnasabhapathi:—The last sentence is incompatible with all what he said earlier,

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Mr. Deputy Speaker:—There are any members who have gi ven their names willing to Speak, I wouid like to Jtnow, how long are we giving to sit.

\n. hoa. Member : — W e donot lose anything by extending the general discussion fjr two days more.

Sri A. Bhagavaatha Rao :—It is better you close this 6 P.M.

Mr. Deputy Speaker : — W e must know when we are closing.

Sri A. Bhagavantha Rao:—Tomorrow I have to reply to the debate.

Sri R. Rajagogala Reddy (Lakkireddy Palli):—Members want to speak and we c m sit for a little longer.

Mr. Deputy Speaker :—The B. A. C. has decided %Mg progremme W e cannot extend it by days. Only the 8- A, €. %aa change the whote programme. Accordmg to the Rules of Procedure six da$s are to be aMowed for General Discussion and 22 days are for discussion on demands. Beyond that we cannot go.

Sri P. Janardhan Reddy (Kamalapur); -I think we can ana&*4 r those rules. ^<;

f '^<! Mr. Deputy Speaker : - N o w we have &? 4$sM* a r ^ Jfg

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Sii Kudipudi Prabhakera Rao :—As a matter of convenience we can extend the time for today.

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Mr. Deputy Speaker:—We will sit tiH 7 P, M. I request the Members of Co-operative with me and enabie me to close this by 7 P. M.

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(Generai DisoTtssion).

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(General Discussion.)

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(The House {then adjourned to till Half-past Bight of the Clock

on Saturday, the 1st July, 1972)

322-1?