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The Early Ford Registry Newsletter

A Chapter of The Model T Ford Club of America

Early Ford 1903-1909 Register affiliated with The Horseless Carriage Club of America

Volume 8 Issue 2 Summer 2010

2010 1903-1909 Early Ford Registry Newsletter Volume 8 Issue 2 page 1

President’s Message – Summer 2010 by Carl Pate, EFR 91

This might be a good time to reflect on the birth of the Early Ford

Registry, where we have traveled over the years and what steps I think

that we can take to make the organization better.

In 1998, group of early Ford car owners formed a Chapter of The

Model T Ford Club of America. As the years past, the leaders of the

group realized the group should expand. In 2004, the name of the

group was changed to The Early Ford Registry. The focus of the

organization changed to include all cars produced in the Ford Piquette

Plant. Around the same time, two groups of early Ford owners (2 and 4 cylinder car

owners) were combined into the new organization. In 2005, a website was created and a

user‟s forum was created for members to communicate from all over the world. A club

newsletter was started and dues of $10.00 were established pay for printing and postage

in 2007. Membership increased substantially from around 58 to 133. In 2008, Email

Updates were started.

In late 2007, one of our members, the late

Richard Oswald, offered to donate parts

of two disassembled Model N cars to the

organization to restore. In February 2008,

the organization was incorporated and

was granted IRS 501(c)3 tax status. We

accepted the donation and started a

restoration project to restore a Model N

using the parts donated. Club members

generously donated money to pay for the

incorporation and to start the restoration.

Work continues on the restoration project

and soon we will have a beautifully

restored car which can be loaned to

museums.

Board of Directors – Currently, there is

no limit on the number of times a member

of the Board of Directors can serve.

(continued on page 2)

In This Issue.. President's Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 1-2

Secretary-Treasurer's Report . . . . . . page 3

Chickasha Report . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 3

Hershey Meet & Greet . . . . . . . . . . . page 4

Restoration Committee Report . . . . . page 4

The Technical Corner . . . . . . . . . . . . page 5

Some Modern Paint Colors . . . . . . . page 6

Meet a New Member . . . . . . . . . . . page 7-8

Tours Swap Meets and Events . . . . . page 9

For Sale/Wanted . . . . . . . . . . . . page 10-12

We welcome member submitted stories, pictures,

technical and restoration articles as well as For Sale and

Wanted listings.

This newsletter is published 4 times each year.

Publication dates are February 15, May 15, August 15

and November 15. Items submitted must arrive by the

first day of those months.

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Volume 8 Issue 2

2010 The 1903-1909 Early Ford Register Newsletter Volume 8 Issue 2 page 2

President’s Message – Summer 2010 (continued from page 1)

I feel two successive full terms (6 years) is enough. Therefore, in 2012 when my second

full term on the board of EFR expires, I will to not run for a board position in 2013 so

that another member can get involved. I hope others will follow my example.

Attempt to help owners - The Benson Ford Research center has many drawings of early

Ford car parts on file. Any individual looking for information must spend a lot of time to

find what they want (no guarantee what you want is there or you will find it) and then

they have to pay for a copy of the drawing that only they can refer to and not reproduce.

Their policy is designed to raise revenue for the organization. It does not help the owners

of these historical cars in their quest to get and share information to keep our historic cars

running. The Early Ford Registry is trying to solve this problem by using new

technology. There is a technical school in Iowa that has a machine which can scan an

object and make a drawing or model of the part. The opportunities are endless – the

creation of an inventory of digital documents to help owners or make pattern for a part for

your early Ford car. Here is a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvzcGdZsTc to a

YouTube video about the NextEngine 3D scanner. If you are interested in helping with

this project, please contact Secretary Dave, (563.387.3736 or [email protected] ).

Reflections – 2010 did not start out for me the way I expected (surgery)… it has made me

appreciate more my enjoyment of the hobby; the things I would like to do; the desire to

help others find answers to their car questions and the small things we often take for

granted. Since time is short and not retrievable, I recommend that you enjoy the time you

have. Do not put things off until the future. If you have an issue or problem … solve it

or fix it quickly (especially if it is a relationship with friend or family member). Do not

wait for someone else to do it, take the lead and fix it … We do not like the bumps in the

road, but sometimes they are put there to wake us up.

Hope you can make it to Hershey, October 2010 – Mark your calendar rain or shine

- The annual Hershey Meet and Greet for EFR members and their families will be at 4:00

PM on Thursday afternoon, October 7, 2010, Location - Red Field / RWN 23-26.

Refreshments will be provided by the Pates and family members are invited. This is your

chance to meet others who like Early Ford cars. If you are bringing an early Ford car to

Hershey, drive it over.

Contacts Wanted – If you know of a museum that has one or more early Fords (1903 to

1909), please let me know. I will contact them with information about our organization

and see if they need any information about the models they own. Please send the name of

the person to contact: [email protected] or Carl Pate, 285 Forest Lane,

Glastonbury, CT 06033

Carlton Pate, EFR President

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvzcGdZsTc

mailto:[email protected]



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Secretary-Treasurer’s Report by Dave Dunlavy, EFR41

We made a special mailing to those members with no Email address,

letting them know of the new option of receiving the Newsletter by mail

for only $10 per year in addition to their annual dues. Quite a few

responded and have paid the additional fee. We sent them the first

Newsletter of the year by mail.

I enjoyed seeing many members at Chickasha this year. We signed up

several new members. There were several new topics to discuss and it

appeared all attending had a good time. It seems the time is always too short. Thanks to

Paul Mikeska and Jeff Fries for helping take care of things for me.

Keep „em on the Road,

Dave Dunlavy

Chickasha Swap Meet Report

It started very warm and beautiful. A new entrance greeted vendors on Wednesday

afternoon. There were more vendors and buyers this year. Most of the people we talked to

were finding and buying.

Our Meet & Greet get together

had 35 in attendance, up from

last year. Several new faces

and several new members were

there. After introductions,

members asked questions and

told about their projects. There

was considerable interest in the

“Show and Tell” portion of the

time. Everyone‟s attention is focused as Kim Dobbins show a new Model A crankcase in

the picture.

We thank Mike and the Fairgrounds staff, especially Peggy Sue, for the fine meeting

facility. The Meet & Greet is one of the highlights of the week. Our attendance shows the

growing interest in old Fords.

Next year the Meet & Greet will be at the same time – 4:00pm on Thursday afternoon.

We hope to see you there.


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Hershey Meet& Greet – October 7, Thursday at 4:00pm

The annual Hershey Meet and Greet for EFR members and their families will be at 4:00

PM on Thursday afternoon, October 7, 2010, Location - Red Field / RWN 23-26. Refreshments will be provided by the Pates and family members are invited. This is your

chance to meet others who like Early Ford cars. If you are bringing an early Ford car to

Hershey, drive it over.

Restoration Committee Report Committee Chairman Jerry VanOoteghem, EFR 95

The Richard Oswald Model N Project

The engine hood is being straightened and brought up through prime

paint currently.

We hope to start chassis assembly soon. The front axle has been

restored. The engine and transmission have been restored and returned

to the Piquette Ford Plant "T-Plex". The rear differential needs re-

assembly.

We hesitate making any finish date estimated for the chassis because it is hard to keep a

schedule. The body is ready to be prepared for finish.

If you would like to help with the project, either by donating labor or cash, please contact

Jerry VanOoteghem at [email protected] or call 313.881.2813.

Have you ever thought… by Ima Ford, EFR 00

The other night when I should have been sleeping, I started thinking about questions.

“How many Model N Fords are there really out there today?”

“How many actually ran last year?”

“How many will run this year for the first time in many years?”

“How many have been brought back to life in the last 10 years?”

“How many are just missing a few parts?”

“How many are hidden away somewhere, just waiting to be discovered?”

And, No, I didn‟t get answers to any of the questions but it was fun to think about it.


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The EFR Technical Corner by Ima Technut

I received an email from Wayne Coffman, EFR 122, with this information:

“Penetrating Oils Compared - Machinist‟s Workshop magazine actually tested

penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a

subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to

remove the nut from a “scientifically rusted” environment.

Penetrating oil Average load

None 516 pounds

WD40 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench 127 pounds

Kano Kroil 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a “home brew” mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid

and acetone.

Note the “home brew” was better than any commercial product in this one particular test.

Note also that “Liquid Wrench” is about as good as “Kroil” for about 20% of the price.”

Editors Note: I spent a lot of time looking for verification of this information. Several

Users Forums referenced the article and I did find it listed on the Machinist‟s Workshop

magazine index. However, since I couldn‟t actually read the entire article, I suggest some

caveats when using the information. Of course, the home-brew concoction‟s ingredients

are dangerous by themselves as well as when mixed.

Years ago, when I had to remove the spokes from 4 PASCO wheels, I was well into the

first wheel when one of my clients recommended Kroil. I had been using Liquid wrench.

The liquid Wrench would allow me to get the nipples off with great difficulty. I started

using Kroil and the job became much easier. After getting the nipple to turn, putting more

Kroil on it and working it back and forth a couple of times allowed me to unscrew it with

my bare hands. It was not “gritty” as with the Liquid wrench. I am a hard core user of

Kroil.

I‟ll try the 50-50 mix and report back. Let me know what results you get.

And as usual, the fine print: The 1903-1909 Early Ford Registry, Inc. is not

responsible for any incorrect technical information contained herein. The opinions

expressed in this newsletter are those of the authors and are not necessarily those of the

editor or EFR.


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Some Modern Paint Colors by Dave Dunlavy, EFR 41

You have probably figured it out by now. When I run into a problem with the 1905

Model F restoration, I write an article about it. 20 years ago, when I was restoring just

Model T‟s, it was simple. Use Centari 99A Pitch Black Acrylic Enamel. That was it.

Then I took time out to do a 1950 MG-TD and I wanted fire engine red. It was going to

be a 2 stage job (base coat – clear coat), so I asked a buddy of mine Steve Wiedner, EFR

132, Waukon, IA, for help and training. Since he was an instructor at the local

Community College, I was in good hands. After I found the shade of red I wanted on a

1949 MG-TC, there was more to it than just put the paint on. Steve explained to me that

since red is a very transparent color, it must be applied over a white primer (sealer) to

appear bright. There are some pictures of our progress in getting the application right on

my MG-TD rebuild site (http://www.dunlavy.us/mgtd/mgtd.html).

The next project was the 1908 Ford Model S. I liked the red on the MG, so I got it in

PPG Omni Acrylic Enamel MAE2379C – Chianti Red. Examples of it are at the

Model S rebuild project (http://www.EarlyFordRegistry.com/dunlavy/dunlavy.html).

There are several great looking Ford Model F cars I‟ve seen. Are they the green Mr. Ford

used? No one knows. I got help from John Garrett, EFR 221, Talladega, AL, especially

on the green color. He restored a Model F and went to Detroit to see The Henry Ford‟s

Model F. The color he matched to that car was Dupont Centari 5243. It looks good as a

sample but I haven‟t sprayed any yet.

John picked Dupont Centari 8797 for the “creamy yellow”. While I was visiting Irv

Carlisle, EFR 189, Tucson, AZ, I brought home a Martin Senor Crossfire Acrylic

Enamel 53-2337 “cream” number I saw on a car in Tucson. I‟ve painted the glove box

for the Model F, and it looks fine.

We will continue to report paint numbers from time to time our members send in. Irv

Haisch, EFR 25, Concord NE, used Dupont Maroon DAR3280 (OEM: M5682A Ford)

and it matched the paint on one of his Model N‟s.

More than one person has suggested you find a color on a car in a parking lot and write

down the make and model to get a match at the paint store.

If you‟ve got a favorite, send it to us and we‟ll spread the word.

http://www.dunlavy.us/mgtd/mgtd.html

http://www.earlyfordregistry.com/dunlavy/dunlavy.html


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Meet a New Member by Dave Dunlavy, EFR 41

Al Buller, EFR 250, from near McAlester Oklahoma, is the new owner of a 1906 Model

N. He is a very interesting fellow who has a very interesting collection. We interviewed

him about his new car, his car and motorcycle collection and personal museum:

(Dave) Tell me about your new Model N

Ford.

(Al) I bought the car from a fellow in

Pennsylvania last week. It‟s a 1906 Model N.

It‟s a complete car and I know I am at least the

third owner. It‟s a beautiful car.

(Dave) When did you become interested

in Model Ns?

(Al) I saw a picture of John and Susan

Smith‟s Model N on the cover of the

November-December 2008 HCCA magazine,

and I just fell in love with that car. So I started searching and was “on the hunt”.

(Dave) Tell us about your Model T‟s.

(Al) I‟ve got an original 1915 Model T Touring, never been restored. I‟ve had it

over 20 years and it‟s a beautiful car. I have a 1917 Fronty powered Model T speedster, a

very nice car, and a 1910 Model T Tourabout.

(Dave) Tell us about your motorcycles.

(Al) I am restoring a 1912 Indian board track racer, a single cylinder. I just

finished a 1911 Flying Merkel. I have a restored 1911 Harley Davison Model 7A, a one

cylinder, and I have a beautiful 1949Harley Davison Model S – it‟s the forerunner to the

Harley Hummer. It‟s the first antique bike I bought – I‟ve had it 30 years and it has 1200

original miles on it.

(Dave) How did you first about The Early Ford Registry?

(Al) I read about it in the Horseless Carriage Magazines. Then I got on the

Internet and saw the web page.

(Dave) How did you get started collecting?

(Al) It‟s a disease. My mother was a collector. For my 25th

birthday she gave me

a Kellogg crank wall telephone that had been hanging out in her garage. That‟s what

started this passion. I‟ve done a whole book on this collection and a DVD on it. I‟ve got

her to thank for this. It escalated from that phone to now I‟ve built a private museum –

4000 square feet.

(continued on page 7)


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Meet a New Member (continued from page 6)

The interview continues:

(Dave) Tell me about your

museum.

(Al) When you walk

through the front door, it looks

like a main street. It‟s got an

office full of everything you can

imagine. There is a motorcycle

shop – life size - and a Model T

garage. Every little town had a

little man that worked on Model

T‟s back in those days. There‟s a

drug store, and there‟s a pool

hall, and there‟s a barber shop

and a gas station. They are all life

size. It looks like a little main

street of any town USA back in

1910.

(Dave) You say this is a private museum – if one of our members is in your area,

could they give you a call and make arrangements to see the museum?

(Al) I‟d love that. I‟m near Highway 69 that goes through Southeastern

Oklahoma. We‟re near Krebs, Oklahoma, the Italian capitol of Oklahoma. So they can

stop by and get some great Italian food also.

(Dave) Who told you to call me?

(Al) Fred Houston in Broken Arrow is a good friend of mine. He suggested I call

you.

(Dave) I‟ve given you several names of members in your area you might want to

call for advice when you start to get your new Model N going. You will find our

members extremely eager to help a new owner. Also you should register to use the User‟s

Forum on the internet. You can feel comfortable asking any question there also. I will call

you and come down to see your museum.

(Al) I‟ll look forward to it. Thanks.


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Tours, Swap Meets and Events

August 1-6 - Montana Majestic Mountain T

Tour, The MTFCA's National Tour, hosted by

the Rocky Mountain Model T Club. Whitefish

Mountain Report is located a few miles directly

west of Glacier National Park in Montana's

northwest corner. Contact Mike Cuffe

(406.889.5777).

August 11-14, 2010 – The 24th annual New

London New Brighton Antique Car Run in

Minnesota. Warm-up tours start on Wednesday,

August 11th. An EFR Meet & Greet get together

will be held at 4:00pm. Warm-up tours continue

on Thursday, August 12th and Friday, August 13.

The 120 mile Grand Run will occur on Saturday,

August 14th

, 2010. Entries are limited to vehicles

with any number of cylinders built through 1908

and one and two cylinder vehicles built thru

1915. http://www.antiquecarrun.org

September 9-10, 2010: Dearborn, MI - Lansing

to Dearborn Run, 2 day, 200 mile run for any

pre-1909 vehicle and any pre 1920 under 20hp

vehicle. Cosponsored by The Snapper's

Brass&Gas Touring Region of AACA and The

South Michigan Motorists Chapter of HCCA.

Contact: John & Dorothy Grace, 734-467-7802

or [email protected]

September 11 & 12, 2010: Dearborn, MI - Old

Car Festival at The Henry Ford for pre-1932

vehicles. Go to www.thehenryford.org for more

information. Contact: Abby Boggs, 313-982-

6058 or [email protected]

The 1903-1909 Early Ford Registry, Inc.

Officers** President

Carl Pate EFR 91 (2010-2012)

Phone 860.633.2052

Email [email protected]

Vice-President

Paul Schaefer EFR 93 (2009-2011)

Phone 330.483.4128


Secretary-Treasurer

Dave Dunlavy EFR 41 (2008-2010)

Phone 563.387.3736 - Cell 952.237.9131


Technical Research Coordinator

Hap Tucker EFR 59 (2008-2010)

Phone 803.469.7792


2-cyl Technical Research Coordinator

Carl Pate EFR 91 (2010-2012)

Phone 860.633.2052


Chairman, Restoration and Preservation

Committee

Jerry VanOoteghem EFR 95 (2010-2012)

Phone 313.881.2813


Directors*

John W. Biggs, EFR 2 (2009-2011)

Phone +44.1844.343161


Richard DeCarli EFR 125 (2009-2011)

Phone 707.654.1932 - Cell 707.762.4511


Floyd Jaehnert EFR 34 (2008-2010)

Phone 651.776.9859 - Work 612.331.5512


Paul Mikeska, EFR 168 (2010-2012)

Phone 303.463.1987


Newsletter Editor

Dave Dunlavy EFR 41


Internet Web Design

Dave Dunlavy EFR 41


*Directors are elected by the general membership

for a period of three years.

**Officers are elected by the Board of Directors

annually.

http://www.antiquecarrun.org/


http://www.thehenryford.org/















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For Sale and Wanted Items

For Sale - Brine-Kingston Carburetor:

Chris Figge advised Carl Pate that there is a

project in the works by Reece Burnett of New

Zealand to manufacture a limited number of the

early Brine-Kingston carburetors. According to

Sue Burnett of the company the first trial casting

of the carburetor has been done. They are going

to offer the carburetors in two options –

1. The purchase of raw castings to finish the

carburetor themselves

2. Completed finished carburetor.

Sue Burnett states in her email that she is still waiting for cost estimates. At present they

are intending to cast 6 carburetors, two for the US and 4 for down under owners. There is

no commitment until the costs are available and accepted by whoever wants them. Chris

Figge states that anyone who purchases either the raw or machined castings will be

extremely pleased. Contact Sue Burnett at [email protected]

For Sale: 4 each Model NRS pistons and rods, matched set, $200

Model NRS front axle and spindles, $600

Model K Ford rear fenders, pair $600

Model T Ford wire wheels with hubs, Red

powder coated, 5 for $1500

For pictures and information, please write to

[email protected]

Wanted to Trade: I have a nice

original 1906 Kingston Carb for

the Model N Ford. Will trade it for the 1907

Holley style. For pictures and information, write

to [email protected]

Wanted: 1906 period detachable side wall rims/wheels, 28x3 for Model N and/or 30x3

for a Franklin project, any early Franklin Model G parts as well. Also looking for an

original hard rubber spark/throttle know (N-R-S early T) to match the patina of an

original on my N.

Robert Daniello, [email protected] PO Box 827 Easthampton MA 01027, phone

413.586.9909






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For Sale and Wanted Items For Sale:

Two cylinder Ford, repro leak proof water pump, water tank stands, carb. linkage,

muffler ends, tonneau sill plate, tonneau step, rubber original style floor mats. Email me

for a complete list and prices.

Richard Emery 940.464.7662

Email: [email protected]

Wanted (to borrow for pattern):

Model C Ford mounting brackets for running boards.

John Grace Email: [email protected]

For Sale: Parts for Model NRS Fords - Model N Fenders

Brackets for the undersides of the fenders – straps and clips

Fender irons from frame to fender

Side lamp brackets (specify which model) - Tail lamp bracket

Coil box switch – (square Splitdorf)

Trunk lid handle

Timer complete with roller and cover

Exhaust pipe – muffler – muffler brackets – muffler nut

water pump impeller - water pump gears

gas tank – gas tank sediment bulb

crank handle – crank holder, fork

radiator cap

transmission fiber disc set (#664, 695 & 696) - band lining – original type fiber

brass tube between cylinders

nuts for the water pipes between cylinder & tube to radiator

spark plug wire holders

brass plates around the pedals, complete with emergency brake holder

water manifold #465

pressure oiler one way valve

caps for oil filler pipe, pressure oiler & mechanical oiler

Glenn Rand 4626 Paradise RD, Seville, OH 44273

330.725.4069 call in evening



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About Us...

The 1903-1909 Early Ford Registry, Inc. (EFR) is a Chapter of The Model T Ford Club of America

(MTFCA) and an Affiliated Register of the Horseless Carriage Club of America (HCCA). You must

be a member of the Horseless Carriage Club of America and we encourage membership in the Model T

Ford Club of America. Contact the Secretary for specific information regarding furnishing your

membership number. We welcome anyone with an interest in Ford automobiles manufactured from 1903

through 1909 (those were generally manufactured in the first manufacturing plant that Ford Motor

Company built, the Piquette plant). You do not need to own a car of this vintage to be a member of the

EFR. Annual membership dues are $10 US payable in US funds and may be paid by check or PayPal.

We are a 501(c)3 Non-profit tax-exempt corporation. The corporate office is 2895 Bluffton Road,

Decorah, Iowa 52101-7802. The web page is www.EarlyFordRegistry.com The Email address is

[email protected].

The 1903-1909 Early Ford Registry, Inc. is not responsible for any incorrect technical information

contained herein. The opinions expressed in this newsletter are those of the authors and are not

necessarily those of the editor or EFR.

For Sale and Wanted Items are listed as a free service to EFR members. The editor can not be held

accountable for unclear or misleading statements in listings.

If you have any questions regarding our organization, please contact the Secretary-Treasurer by Email at

[email protected] or write to EFR Secretary, 2895 Bluffton Road, Decorah, IA 52101-7802.

For Sale

Pate’s Early Ford Automobile Encyclopedia (The Ford Cars –

1903-1909). Contains over 535 pages, an Appendix on DVD with

over 2800 files. 100 years have past since these cars were new, and

some of the survivors have a story to tell.

This book tells it all in text, pictures, charts, tables, graphs and

support documents.

Purchase directly from Carl Pate, the writer and publisher. Mail

address: Carlton O. Pate III, 285 Forest Lane, Glastonbury, CT

06033 – Telephone 860.633.2052 – Email [email protected] –

Website http://www.earlyfordcars.info

Price $70.00 plus shipping and handling. See the web site page

availability for total price based on where you live.

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