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Page 1: The Incredible LLC Limited Liability Company. The Incredible LLC ReviewUpdatesLiquidations Texas, the Series

The IncredibleLLC

Limited LiabilityCompany

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The Incredible LLC

Review

Updates

Liquidations

Texas, the Series

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At the Beginning

The History of the LLC:

– First LLC in 1892, German Company

– Established in Germany, spread throughout Europe

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Countries Quickly Adopting LLC Model

Portugal 1901Panama 1917Brazil 1919Chile 1923France 1925Cuba 1926Argentina 1932Uruguay 1933

Mexico 1934Belgium 1935Italy 1936Peru 1936Switzerland 1936Columbia 1937Guatemala 1942Costa Rica 1942Honduras 1950

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Original 5 Basic Characteristics

1. Limited Liability

2. Required use of the word “limited”

3. Could sue or be sued

4. Controlled admission to entity

5. Articles of Organization controlled LLC life

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First State to Create LLC

Wyoming in 1977

5 years later, Florida enacted legislation to limit loss on investments.

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History of LLC’s in America

March 4, 1977 First LLC Act –Wyoming

September 2, 1988 “Kintner” Rules

January, 1990 Swift action to create

LLC’s by states

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History continued

June 7, 1996 51st LLC Act – Hawaii

January 1, 1997 Check the Box – 8832

January 13, 1997 Prop. Reg 1.142(a)-2

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Growth of the LLC

LLC’s first were used primarily for:

Real Estate Rental and Development

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Types of Businesses Operating as LLC’s

Engineering and Mgmt Support 26%

Real Estate Services 19%

Construction and Gen. Contracting 12%

Investment Companies 9%

Retailers 8%

Other businesses include: Page 7

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And

Leasing Companies 8%

Health Services 7%

Agriculture 7%

Oil and Gas 2%

Restaurants 2%

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Reasons for Popularity

1. Less paperwork and record keeping2. Pass-through taxation3. Limited Liability4. Check-the-box taxation5. Single or multi-member6. Assignment of membership interests

And……

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More Popularity Reasons

7. Treatment as separate from their members8. Income retains character to member9. Presents an alternative to S corporations10.Multi-member LLC’s may avoid Social Security taxes11.Single member LLC’s have most

simple of business structuresPages 7 & 8

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Characteristics of LLC’sEstablished under state statutes as legal entities.LLC’s can have single members or multiple members.Federal tax classification of LLC is Sole Proprietor, Partnership or Corporation.LLC’s provide full limited liability to their members.Substantial asset protection.

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Practitioner’s Alert

Limited Liability Companies do not have limited liability.

LLCs can sue and be sued.

The Members of the LLC have limited liability.

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Limited Liability

To members similar to shareholders

Not liable for tort liabilities, debts and other obligations of the LLC

Agents and managers not responsible

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In Certain States – Members Liable

For debts personally guaranteed All states allow personal guaranteeWrongful actsAmounts promised to be contributedWrongful distributionsSales tax and trust fund portionsImproper personal benefitsViolations of criminal lawsMalpractice claimsOther liabilities in articles of organization

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Personal Liability

Members may be liable if LLC is undercapitalized

Fails to obtain sufficient insurance to cover risks of business

Failure to hold meetings of members or comply with formalities does not

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Practitioner’s Alert

Be careful about piercing of the LLC veil and statutory exceptions to the limited liability rule.

Because a single-member LLC only has one owner, there may be an increased likelihood that a judge would allow a creditor of the SMLLC to pierce the LLC veil.

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Strengthening SMLLC Protection

1. Maintain formalities of meetings and documents2. State document record laws3. Maintain adequate capitalization4. Do business as the LLC5. Letterhead, business cards, etc. in name of LLC6. Use bank account of LLC (not personal)

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Continued

9. Get EIN, even if not necessary

10. Financial Statements should be LLC

11. Bank loans and forms – LLC

12. Use LLC name in business dealings

13. Have SMLLC operating agreement

14. Follow operating agreement and modify it when needed

15. Utilize proper terminology – Managing Member

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Special LLC Protection

Protection of the asset against creditors

Those who obtain judgments against Members

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The Charging Order

What is a “charging order?”

Who can get a “charging order?”

Charging Order Protected Entity - COPE

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Creditors & Entities

C Corporation – corporate veil

S Corporation – involuntary termination

Partnership – states protect partners

Exception to the Partnership

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Charging Order Protection

A creditor must usually follow this path to relief when seeking to obtain assets from a COPE.– Obtain a judgment;– Charge the interest;– Foreclose the charging order;– Appoint a receiver; and– Partition the entity.

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Example

Beanna owns 50% of a trucking company – Beanna’s LLC.

The LLC has $500,000 in assets

Beanna’s involved in a hunting accident

A judgment of $5M is against Beanna

Creditor wants Court order dissolving LLC and the sale of assets to satisfy judgment

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Example Continued

Creditor’s remedies in most states will not allow

Creditor receives “charging order”

Under Corporate Law, creditor would most likely receive stock and force liquidation for receipt of asset value.

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Practitioner’s Alert

Charging orders protect entities and are some of the strongest and most acceptable asset protection tools available. These entities afford a significant degree of protection for the partners or members against any creditor.

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All States Allow Charging Orders

Members and debtor retain:

Voting rights

Power to decide about distributions – when and how much

No compelling to make distributions to satisfy debt

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Alert

The only right of the creditor is to receive distributions by the LLC to that particular member.

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But, What About SMLLCs

Creditor may pierce the LLC veil

Must have legal grounds

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Practitioner’s Alert

There is an exception to the rule in some states if the LLC is a single-member LLC, meaning the LLC is treated as a disregarded entity.

The creditor may attach the assets of the single-member LLC in satisfaction of the judgment.

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Practitioner’s Alert

Sole proprietorships and corporations do not provide business asset protection.

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Foreclosure on a Member’s Interest

Some states allow foreclosure

At sale, purchaser has rights of transferee

Judgment debtor has no rights after foreclosure

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Foreclosed Interest May be Redeemed

By the judgment debtor

With property other than LLC property by one or more of the other members

With LLC property by one or more members, with consent of all members whose interests are no so charged

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States that Prohibit Foreclosure

AlabamaAlaskaArizonaArkansasConnecticutDCDelawareFloridaIndianaIowaKansas

KentuckyLouisianaMaineMarylandMassachusettsMichiganMinnesotaMississippiMissouriNew HampshireNew Jersey

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As well as…

New Mexico

New York

North Carolina

Ohio

Oklahoma

Oregon

Rhode Island

Tennessee

Texas

Vermont

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Contractual Flexibility

The Operating Agreement

– Governs LLC operation– Can be changed– No bylaws or minutes required

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Example

J. B. Sims Services, LLC

Single Member LLC’s require operating agreements

Should be reviewed at least annually by tax professional

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Statutory Informality

LLC Acts in most states have very few formal requirements on the formation of the LLC.

Check state web sites or www.findlaw.com for requirements

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Management of the LLC

1. Member Managed

2. Manager Managed

3. Corporate Management

Default management is by the members.

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Operating Agreement

The LLC Operating Agreement determines how the LLC will be managed and by whom.

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Award For Management Flexibility Goes To…

Offering the most flexible form of operation is:

A. C corporation

B. S corporation

C. Limited Liability Partnership

D. Limited Liability Limited Partnership

E. LLC

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Practitioner’s Alert

Tax professionals should be aware of potential conflicts of interest in representing both the Managing Member and the LLC before the IRS.

If a potential for conflict exists, the tax professional should make every effort to comply with Circular 230 Federal Code of Regulations concerning conflicts of interest.

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Articles of Organization

Required by most states.

State web sites offer sample “Articles.”

Minimum requirements include:– Name and address of entity;– Nature of business;– Name and address of registered agent; and– Names of managers and members.

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Sample: Articles of Organization

Note: Not Articles of Incorporation

Sample on Page 16 of text.

Refer to individual state web sites for requirements or to www.findlaw.com

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LLC Tax Classification

At formation, the Limited Liability Company is a:

“tax nothing!”

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Federal Tax Classification

Sole Proprietor

Partnership

Corporation– C corporation– S corporation

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Practitioner’s Alert

The instructions for Form 1065 for 2011, page 3, state “A limited liability company (LLC) is an entity formed under state law by filing articles of organization as an LLC.

Unlike a partnership, none of the members of an LLC are personally liable for its debts.

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Entity Classification – Form 8832

Incorporating vs. LLC formation

Incorporation

C Corporation S Corporation

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Federal Tax Classification

Defaults

Elections

What is the difference?

The LLC is the most flexible vehicle for operating a business.

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Practitioner’s Alert

Tax professionals should review the LLC operating agreement on at least an annual basis and more frequently if there are changes of note.

If the operating agreement indicates that the federal tax classification for the LLC has changed since the last tax filing, a Form 8832 should be part of the filing.

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Automatic Classification as a Corporation

Business organized as corporation;An Association;Joint-stock Company or Association;Insurance Company;Federally insured state-chartered bank;Business owned by state or political subdivision of state;Publically traded business as a corporation; andCertain foreign business entities.

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Limited Liability Company§721

Sole ProprietorshipForm 1040Schedules C, E or F

C CorporationForm 1120

PartnershipForm 1065

S Corporation Form 1120 S

Form 2553

Defaults Elections

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Practitioner’s Alert

60 month waiting period:

– Election after formation

– 60 month waiting period not required if election initially made

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Form 8832

When do you use Form 8832?

When the LLC wishes to make an “election”.

When the LLC wants to change its previous classification.

When the LLC has some doubt as to the proper classification.

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Form 8832

Instructions

www.irs.gov

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Let’s Look At the Form ANDInstructions

Page 20 (Page 1 of Form 8832)

Line 1 – Type of Electiona. Initialb. Change

Line 2 a– Previously filed an election within 60 months

Yes No

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Form Tells Us

Line 2b – Was election effective at formation?

Yes No

Line 3 & 4 – Requests information if LLC is a SMLLC and information about owner.

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Page 2 of Form 8832

Page 21 of Text.

Line 6 – Type of Entity a-f

Domestic and Foreign – Corporation, Partnership or SM

Line 7 – Question re: Foreign LLC

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Finally on Page 2

Line 8 – Date of Election (Notice NO default)

Line 9 – Name and title of contact person and telephone number

Signature

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Seldom Seen, Seldom ReadInstructions

Page 22 of Text (Page 3-6 of Form 8832)Default classification – NO Form 8832

Page 23 of TextWhen to file Form 8832 – 75 daysLate relief - *See new procedure laterWhere to file – based on entity’s principal business, office or agency location

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Seldom Seen, Seldom ReadInstructions

Election acceptance by IRS:IRS Service Center will notifyCare exercised to “make certain 8832 received by IRS

Certified mail receipt8832 with accepted stamp8832 with stamped IRS received date orIRS acceptance letter

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More Instructions

Page 24 of Text, Page 5 of Instructions:

60 month limitation rule.

Note: The 60-month limitation does not apply if the previous election was made by a newly formed eligible entity and was effective the date of formation.

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Specific Instructions

Page 25 of text – 6 of instructions

Part II. Late Election Relief - **later**

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Final Instructions

Page 26 of Text. Page 7 of Instructions.

List of Foreign LLCs taxed as Corporations in US

Note: Domestic LLCs taxed as SMLLCs or Partnerships may be taxed as Corporations in other countries.

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Late Elections - NEWRev. Proc. 2009-41, 2009-39 IRBProvides relief to eligible entities seeking late elections:

File within 3 years and 75 days of effective date

Guidance also for non-qualifying

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What is Covered?

Acknowledgement of “check the box” regulationsForm 8832Effective date may NOT be more than 75 days before date on which election is filed and NOT more than 12 months after the date election filed.If more time requested, 12 months after election filed is effective date.

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Rev. Proc. 2002-50, 2002-2 CB 615 Now Superseded

Rev. Proc. 2009-41 liberalizes 2002-50

Section 3.01 extends late entity classification to both initial classification elections and changes in classification elections

Will this affect the 60-month rule?Pages 28 & 29

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Rev. Proc. 2009-41

Extended time for filing to within 3 years and 75 days of requested effective date.

More liberalized than 2002-59

Use in lieu of letter ruling for late entity election

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QualifyingRev. Proc. 2009-41

Requests, solely, no initial or change in federal tax classification, Form 8832, filed

Either, due date, excluding extensions, of return not passed or

All returns filed were as if election were in effect.

Reasonable cause

3 years and 75 days have not passed

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How to Get Relief

Within 3 years and 75 days file Form 8832 with applicable Service CenterAt top “Filed Pursuant to Rev Proc 2009-41, including declaration of meeting requirements and reasonable cause statement.A statement with declaration, signed under penalties of perjury by authorized person.IRS will notify

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Private Letter Ruling

Entities not eligible for 2009-41

PLR – request must include:– Why 2009-41 does not apply– All returns filed (including information) or none

required– Filed timely or within 6 months, excluding extension,

with federal tax classification desired– No returns filed inconsistent with the desired

classification

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Effective Date

September 28, 2009

Applicable to pending requests

PLR may be withdrawn in light of 2009-41 prior to 11/12/98

User fee refunded

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Federal Identification Number

A. Existing Sole Proprietors and Partnerships – no requirement for new EIN if one is currently being used.

B. LLC’s electing to be taxed as Corporations must apply for new EIN.

C. Sole Proprietor’s without EIN must apply.

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Let’s Talk Need for EIN

Very existence

Separate individual owner from business

Do not impose liability

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SS-4

Application for Employer Identification Number

Electronic version

www.irs.gov

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SS-4, Page 1

Line 8a – Is this an application for a LLC or foreign equivalent.

Line 8b – If YES, enter number of LLC members

Line 8c – Was LLC organized in the United States (YES or NO)

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SS-4, Page 1

Line 9a – Type of Entity

SMLLC (Schedule C, E, F) DO NOT use first box or enter your Social Security Number.Partnership Corporation Form 1120 or Form 1120SOther – Disregarded Entity (DRE) Sole Proprietor

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SS-4, Page 1

Line 18 – Has applicant shown on line 1 ever applied for and received an EIN?

Do not answer this question based upon the individual member – the question is about the entity applying for the EIN.

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SS-4, Page 2

Do I Need an EIN?

Used for Federal identification purposes

Is there another need for an EIN?

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Cautions

LLC’s are required to have own EIN

S Corporation status is obtained by filing Form 2553. DO NOT FILE FORM 8832

Be careful when “converting” to an LLC and using existing EIN

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Example

Beanna, Marilyn and Tom

Taxation with Representation, LLC

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Social Security and Self-Employment Tax

Proposed Regulations, Section 1402(a)(13)

– January 13, 1997– Apply to all entities classified as partnerships– Bifurcation is allowed

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Guaranteed Payments

General Partners– Guaranteed payments– Subject to SE tax

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Practitioner’s Alert

All guaranteed payments are fully subject to self-employment tax.

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General Partners

LLC members actively engaging in the business are treated as GPs for SET purposes.

Distributive shares of income from the LLC are net earnings from SET unless bifurcation is allowed.

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Practitioner’s Alert

LLC Members who are passive investors and who are not managers of the LLC should not be subject to self-employment taxes on their distributive share of income.

This should be stated in the operating agreement.

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Section 1.1402(a)(13)

Remains proposed

Under proposed regulation member (partner) may exclude some or all of the income for SE earnings if any of the following exist:– Member is limited;– Member owns more than one class; and– Member bifurcates between SE and non-

earnings from SE

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Practitioner’s Alert

Self-employment taxes are not an issue if none of the members is an individual.

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Example

Tom, Beanna and Marilyn each have own LLC.

LLCs own interests in Taxation with Representation, LLC

Only individuals pay SET.

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Proposed Regulation 1.1402(a)(13)Definition of a limited partner:

1. Member has no personal liability,2. Member lacks authority to sign on behalf of LLC,3. Member works for the LLC for 500 or fewer hours in the year.

Must meet all three!

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Exclusion of SE Tax

Under regulations, the member may exclude some or all of the income from self-employment earnings if any of the following conditions exist:

– Member is limited;– Member owns more than one class of

membership interest; or– Member bifurcates interest.

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More Than One Class of Interest

Member, not a limited partner, may exclude from SE earnings a portion of the distributive share if they own more than one class of membership interest.

Operating Agreement must provide for at least two classes of interests.

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Result

Members may divide interest between SE income and non-SE income.

Member will be treated as a limited partner and be exempt from SE taxes with respect to one of the classes of membership interests if:

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Requirements

Limited partners own a substantial, continuing interest in the same class of membership interest, and

The rights and obligations with respect to that class are identical to other members who hold that class of interest.

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Professional’s Alert

Ownership of 20 percent or more of

the class is substantial.

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Practitioner’s Alert

When both are met, even persons who are active as partners will be treated as a Section 1402(a)(13) limited partner with respect to their distributive shares of partnership, LLC, income in respect to each investment class in which they own an interest.

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Practitioner’s Alert

The multiple class exception can be applied to an LLC provided the LLC operating agreement is properly drafted to create specific classes of ownership interests.

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Sample Operating Agreement

Two Classes of Interest required

Investor Class and Managerial Class

Must allow for bifurcation

20 percent Investor Class always issued and outstanding

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Professional Services

Health Architecture

Law Accounting

Engineering Actuarial Science

Consulting *Providing servicesPage 38

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What Can Be Done!

Tom, Marilyn and Beanna form Taxation with Representation, LLC.

Another LLC is formed as well.

Each contributes furniture, equipment and books to You Rent from Us, LLC

Taxation with Representation , LLC rents from You Rent from Us, LLC

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Results

You Rent from Us, LLC uses newer regs to exclude all of distributive shares of self-employment tax.

Taxation with Representation, LLC has deduction for rent.

Tom, Marilyn and Beanna have income from You Rent from Us, LLC, not subject to SET.

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Another Strategy

For SMLLCs – Schedule C or F

Contribute depreciated or near complete depreciation assets to a new LLC with a partner.

Schedule C or F now rents from LLC, creating a deduction for FIT/State and SET

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Part II.

Disadvantages of the LLC include:

Franchise Tax Levied by States:– Alabama,

–California,– Kentucky,– New York,– Pennsylvania,– Tennessee, and– Texas

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Practitioner’s Alert

$300 for formation of LLC in Texas

$ 25 additional fee for expediting

6/3/11, $1M exclusion of Franchise Tax extended beyond 12/31/11 to 12/31/13

12/31/13 exclusion is $600,000

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Disadvantages, continued

Difficult to raise financial capital.

LLC is relatively new.

No statutory requirement for an operating agreement but members may have problems if operating without one.

Some people are unfamiliar with LLC’s.

Different titles than corporate managers.

Taxing jurisdictions outside the U.S.

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Creditors require co-signature on debts.

State and federal filing requirements include:

– Tax return for the LLC,– Tax returns for the resident or nonresident

members, and– The annual report for the LLC.

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Too Many LLC’s

Need: To separate assets into multiple LLC’s to limit liability exposure.

Delaware series LLC– Cells– Container

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Overview

Single LLC divided into separate divisions for liability purposes.

States with “series” LLCs include:

Delaware Oklahoma Wisconsin

Illinois Tennessee North Dakota

Iowa Texas Minnesota

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Characteristics

Delaware was first state to enact the “series” LLC and is most often the formation location

Allows one LLC for a series of operations for separate liability purposes

Debts and obligations of one will not impact the others in the series

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Specifics

Each series may have different:– Members– Managers– Businesses– Ownership percentages

Distributions in one series may be without regard to other series

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To Avoid Too Many LLCs….

Charging Order continues to protect

Separate assets with great liability from less liable assets created multiple LLCs

Often created multiple LLCs with costs associated.

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The Series

Separate Cells within container

Each series with different members, managers with separate rights and duties

Each treated separately for assets and accounting

Public notice must be made – Certificate of Formation

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Key Reasons to Use

Saves substantial organizational costs

Remember Texas $300 fee

Typically used by holders of real estate

One single LLC and a series for each of the real estate parcels

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Relief from the Series

Not 3 separate LLCs, but one (series)

Liability of one property does not extend to other properties

Texas – Part IV

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Procedures to Form

Certificate of Organization filed in state allowing “series” LLC

Certificate states “series” exists and no connection through liability to each

Operating Agreement must establish each series, designate members and managers of each and property placed in the series

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Continued

Must qualify to do business in the state(s)

Absent statute, mere acquisition of real property does not require qualification

Fictitious name for each series must be filed, ie. XYZ, LLC, each series XYZ, LLC – Series 1000 Main Street

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Real Property Transfers

LLC owns the property in each series

Assets within the series must segregate their properties

Property must be transferred to the fictitious name (dba)

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More Requirements

Separate bank account for each series

Separate accounting for each series

State filings for each state in which business is conducted AND

Separate return for each series in the state

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For Federal Tax Purposes

Either:

1. Single return filed for each in the series – special allocations allowed.

2. Separate return filed for each in the series – based on IRS rulings and court cases

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Segregating Assets

Separate dangerous assets from safe assets

Gas station from rental home

Cash assets in business with operational business

Separate every distinct entity but under one series LLC

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Summary of the Series

Series has own separate purpose

Can be terminated separately from series

Makes distributions without regard to others

Debts of one not applied to others in series

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To Do It

Each in series is treated separately

Books and records kept for each in series

Assets in each held and accounted for separately

In order that the Public know it is series LLC, inclusion with Secretary of State a notice is required

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Key Reasons to Use

Saves substantial organization costs

Used by taxpayer with multiple parcels of land

One single LLC holds all series of parcels

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Example

Beanna has 3 rental properties

Commercial worth $1M, apartment complex worth $750,000 & residence worth $100,000

Renter sues successfully – court could award all LLC property

Before Delaware series LLC, Beanna would have to form 3 separate LLCs.

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Part III

Improper formation of the LLC:

Failure to meet the taxpayer needs.

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LLC Is Not the Proper Formation

Business operates crossing multiple state jurisdictions.

Costs are prohibitive – Insurance Vs. LLC.

Membership interest in an LLC may not bePublically traded.

Automatic dissolution.

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Failure to Make an Election

Form 8832 not filed.

Rev. Proc. 2009-41

3 years and 75 days

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S Election – Form 2553

Failure to timely file Form 2553 may create additional problems for the LLC and its members.

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Mergers and Conversions Gone Bad

Procedures to follow are exact.

Failure to follow procedures may result in undesired tax position.

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Example

Beanna is sole shareholder of Taxation with Representation, Inc. not acting as a corporation

The “F” reorganization – Name Change Only

Exact procedures to be followed

Failure results in unfavorable tax consequence

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Only Question

Does attorney have errors and omissions insurance?

Procedures must be exact.

“F” reorganizations are simple name changes and should not result in any taxable exchanges.

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Littriello v. U.S.

Taxpayer challenged validity of check-the-box

IRS believed Littriello responsible for payroll taxes of SMLLC

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Background

Check-the-box allows tax classification unless classification required

Multi-owner LLCs can be corporations or partnerships

Single members may elect to be taxed as corporations or DREs

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However

A single-member not electing to be taxed as a corporation is considered a DRE for federal tax purposes

Then activities are treated the same as sole proprietor

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Case Facts

Littriello – sole member of several Kentucky LLCs

Made no election – filed Schedule C

LLCs did not pay payroll taxes

IRS notified of intent to levy

Littriello went to court

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Court Decision

Littriello argued regs were invalid exercise of authority

Regs would be unenforceable and IRS could only go after the LLC, not Littriello

The district court rejected his argument and found regs valid

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Practitioner’s Alert

Court rejected contention that IRS must recognize separate LLC, matter of state law

Court acknowledged but said, Littriello’s SMLLC entitled to what state would give but….

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…state law could not eliminate his federal tax liability

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Contradiction

Rev. Rul. 2004-41, 2004-18 IRB 845

IRS may not collect LLCs unpaid employment tax from LLC members in a multi-member LLC

Only as responsible persons under IRC 6672 – trust fund penalty

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Liability for Employment Tax

January 1, 2009, SMLLC are treated as corporations for employment purposes

LLC is liable

Must file under own name and EIN – watch conversions

Taxes deducted on Schedule CPage 45

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Where are We NOW

Regs now treat Single-Owner DREs as separate entities for employment taxes and reporting

Owners of DREs no longer liable for employment taxes

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Practitioner’s Alert

The final regulations take care of the Littriello-type cases involving unpaid employment taxes.

However, the LLC member may be liable for the unpaid employment taxes under the Code Section 6672 – trust fund penalty tax rules.

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Members Not Liable

Rev. Rul. 2004-41 - 2004-18

IRS may not collect LLCs unpaid employment taxes from members

They are not liable

Even if taxed as a partnership obligated under state law

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Professional’s Alert

However, the LLC members may be liable for the unpaid employment taxes under the Code Section 6672 trust fund penalty tax rules

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Multi-Member Domestic LLC

Default to partnership taxation

State law provides joint and severable liability for partnership obligations

IRS may seek to collect federal tax liabilities incurred by partnership from general partners

However, multi-members of an LLC generally are not liable under state laws for entity’s debts – some limitations

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Assessment Extends to General Partner

U.S. v. Galletti

Reverses Ninth Circuit

Said partnership was taxpayer and general partners are liable

General partners are liable for LLCs liability

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Part IV.

Liquidating Federal Tax Classifications

And

Maintain the LLC

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Limited Liability CompanyUnderstanding Liquidation

Sole ProprietorshipForm 1040Schedules C, E or F

C CorporationForm 1120

PartnershipForm 1065

S Corporation Form 1120 S

Form 2553

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Liquidating the Federal Tax Classification

Sole Proprietorship

Class of Assets

Agreed to in writing

Form 8594, Asset Acquisition Statement

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Residual Method

Purchase price is allocated in order:Class I - Cash and cash equivalentsClass II - CDs, Gov’t Sec., stock, etc.Class III – Mark-to-market assets certain debt instrumentsClass IV – Stock in trade; inventoryClass V - All other assetsClass VI - Section 197 intangiblesClass VII – Goodwill and going concern value

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Agreement

Buyer and seller may agree in writing to allocations

Allocations are binding on both parties

§ 1060(a)

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Practitioner’s Alert

Generally, the purchaser and the seller must both file Form 8594, Asset Acquisition Statement to report the sale of assets used in a trade or business when the purchaser’s basis in the assets is determined wholly by the amount paid.

The forms are attached to the tax returns for the year in which the sale took place.

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Partnership

Code Sec. 731(b)(1)

No gain or loss recognized unless distribution in cash exceeds adjusted basis of partner’s interest in partnership immediately before the distribution.

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Income Recognition to Partner

Loss not recognized unless distribution in liquidation

No other property than cash and securities distributed, loss is recognized (excess of basis of partner’s interest over sum of any money distributed and any unrealized receivables and inventory) § 751(c) & (d)

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IncomeRecognition to Partner

If distribution of money exceeds partner’s basis, gain is recognized as if he had sold his partnership interest. § 731(a)

Applies to both liquidating and non-liquidating distributions. Reg. § 1.731-1(a)

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Example

Jean purchases a partnership interest for $100,000.

First year Jean receives cash distribution of $100,000 and property with FMV of $30,000.

No gain recognized since money distributed does not exceed Jean’s basis for partnership interest $100,000.

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But if. . .

Had she received a cash distribution of $130,000, a $30,000 gain would have been recognized.

Cash distribution must “exceed” partner’s basis

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Practitioner’s Alert

Where gain is determined by reference to money and marketable securities, the securities are valued at their fair market value on the date of the distribution.

Distributions of property encumbered by a liability may cause a partner’s share of partnership liabilities to decrease, resulting in a “deemed distribution” of money to that partner.

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Loss Recognition

Recognized only if distribution terminates partner’s interest but only if distribution is money, unrealized receivables, or inventory

Loss is excess of basis over sum of money distributed to partner. § 731(a)(2)

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Example

Jean has basis in partnership of $100,000 retires

She receives $50,000 in cash and inventory having a basis to partnership of $30,000.

Jean has a capital loss of $20,000

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Basis of Property Received

In distribution, other than liquidation of a partner’s interest, basis to partner is same as partnerships basis prior to distribution

Basis of property in the hands of the distributee may not exceed the basis of his/her partnership interest reduced by amount of money distributed in transaction

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Example

Jean has a basis of $100,000 in her partnership interest

Receives a non-liquidating distribution of $40,000 in cash and property with a basis to the partnership of $80,000

The basis to Jean of the property is $60,000 ($100,000 - $40,000)

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What Happens to the $20,000?

Partnership recovers the $20,000 by making an election

§ § 734, 754, and 755 allow the adjustment of the remaining partnership assets

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Corporations

Distributions in liquidation – deemed sale

Section 336(a) – Corporation recognizes gain or loss and distribution to shareholders/members

Conversion from Corporation to another FTC can result in tax consequences

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Corporate Distributions and Dissolutions

Result:

Double Taxation

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S Corporations

Follows liquidation of Corporation rules

Distributions treated as sales

Gain recognized (property’s FMV exceeds basis)

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Example

Jean is a single-member LLC taxed as an S corporation

Jean, LLC has land with an adjusted basis of $50,000 held for 2 years as an investment

At the beginning of the year, Jean, LLCs AAA has a balance of zero and Jean’s basis in the LLC was $72,000.

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Example Continued

LLC has net income for year of $41,000.

S Corp distributes land to Jean

At distribution, FMV of land is $60,000

What happens?

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Well…

LLC recognizes $10,000 of long-term capital gain ($60,000 FMV less $50,000 basis), and passes through to Jean on her K-1Jean has $41,000 of ordinary income from S corporation operations for the yearJean’s basis before considering distributions is $123,000 ($72,000 + $41,000 + $10,000)

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And. . .

Jean’s basis in the land after the distribution is FMV, $60,000.Jean’s stock basis after the distribution is $63,000 ($123,000 - $60,000), $9,000 less than at the beginning of the year.The LLC AAA is increased by $51,000 and then reduced to zero.Jean’s equity account is reduced by $9,000 ($60,000 less the $51,000 distributed out of AAA).

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Result

Property distributions are generally treated as though the corporation sold the property to the shareholder for FMV.

If the property’s adjusted basis exceeds its FMV, loss generally is not recognized.

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Practitioner’s Alert

Because the loss on property distributed when its basis exceeds its FMV is unrecognized, and because stock basis and AAA may be reduced by the unrecognized loss, distributions of such property should be avoided.

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Other Items

Loss can be recognized in liquidation of S Corporation

In liquidation, distributed property is a deemed sale at FMV by S Corporation

Gain or loss flows through to shareholders under pass-through rules

So…..

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Liquidating an S Corporation

Does not recognize corporate-level tax unless § 1374 BIG rules apply

Rules apply when former C Corp and FMV of asset exceeds basis of corporation at beginning of corporations first taxable year as S Corporation

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Practitioner’s Alert

A shareholder who receives a property distribution is required to fulfill a holding period that begins when the shareholder actually receives the property.

This requirement is in place because the property distribution is treated as if the property were sold to the shareholder at its FMV on that date. No carryover basis so no carryover holding period.

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Practitioner’s Alert 2

Liquidation of S Corporation vs. C Corporation is similar.

Both have double taxation

S Corporation: result is additional basis to shareholder

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Liquidating the LLC

Based upon the federal tax classification of the LLC the liquidation process complete, the following items remain:

– Filing of final federal tax return– Filing of final state income tax return, if

applicable– Filing of state dissolution - Franchise

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Caution

Liquidation of each Federal Tax Classification, inside or outside of a Limited Liability Company, is a complex and transaction and warrants the research of specific Revenue Rulings, Revenue Procedures and the Internal Revenue Code.Specific Tax Court cases should be reviewed prior to proceeding.

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Part V. Texas - Series

September 1, 2009, S.B 1442 – establishes Texas Series LLC

Series LLC establishes multiple series of assets, members and managers

Debts and obligations of a series only enforceable against the series

Not against other series in the LLC or against LLC generally

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The Series LLC

Members in a series can be given separate rights and duties within series

Separation of assets and partitioning of liabilities in one LLC can avoid many of the inefficiencies and costs associated with multiple LLCs

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Example

Series LLC holds multiple parcels of real estate

Each is a separate series

All in one LLC

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Texas Statute Similar to Delaware

Both authorize LLCs operating agreement to establish one or more series

Both provide the liabilities of a series are enforceable only against the assets of the series

Not against the LLC generally

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Specific Rules

a) Records of series account for assets separately form assets of other series

b) Operating agreement states liability limitations

c) Certificate of formation gives notice of limitations on liability

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Each Series May…

Sue

Be sued

Contract

Hold title to real estate and personal property

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Series LLCs

New, useful, legal uncertainties

Taxation, bankruptcy & doing business in multiple states

Tax Questions – IRS – PLR in 2008 clarified each series would be determined independently for tax purposes

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Bankruptcy

Unclear in federal bankruptcy court

Could ignore the series and consider entire LLC

Result may depend on relevant state law

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Practitioner’s Alert

8 states now have “series” LLCs

42 states have no provisions for “series”

Will non-series states honor structure and liability shield?

Can “series” state formations file in “non-series” states to transact business?

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Series LLCs

Law is infant in stage, unsteady on feet

LLC at one time was infant with initial uncertainties and thought to have risk

From Wyoming in 1977 to 51 LLC acts

Most popular form of new business

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History

Predicts series LLCs will be come routinely used

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Texas Franchise Tax

Update 1/3/12 Frequently Asked Questions

Not general partnership #3

LLC – yes – even when taxed as general partnership #4

DRE – yes #13 (nexus in Texas)

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#19. Series LLC

Franchise – taxed as single legal entity

Pays one filing fee and registers as ONE entity with Texas Secretary of State

Files ONE Franchise Report, not as combined group

If ONE series has nexus in Texas, entire LLC has nexus – added 9/9/11

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Part VI.

Your client, Joe the Plumber

Announces formation of an on-line LLC

He has a W-2 and taxes withheld

You ask Joe for a copy of the Operating Agreement and Form 8832

None

What can you do? What should you do?

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Joe the Plumber

Formed an LLC, on line

Has W-2

Knows you are sooooooo

Proud

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No Form 8832 Filed

What can you do?

What should you do?

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Joe Wants to Add Partner

Wants to keep LLC

What does LLC need to do?

What are options of the LLC?

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New Partner Doesn’t Work Out

Wants to leave partnership

What happens to the LLC partnership?

What would happen if LLC was taxed as C Corporation?

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Problem

Husband and wife LLC – operation 2 years

Owns property - $100,000 basis and FMV of $1M

Form 1120 file in 2010 – no record of Form 8832 being filed – no operating agreement

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LLC Taxed as C Corp

Not initial election – in 30th month

Members no longer want to be taxed as C Corp – buying real estate they want to avoid double taxation

Is LLC required to be C Corp 60 months before changing election?

Is there any other way they can terminate C Corp classification?

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George wants Russian Brother to Become Member of LLC

Can he be a member and be an “alien”?

What federal tax classifications can the LLC have if “alien” brother becomes a member?

Paage

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LLC is Formed as Partnership

Two members

One withdraws – what happens?

What elections can remaining member have?

Will LLC have to get new EIN?

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George wants LLC to be Taxed as C Corporation

You fail to make Form 8832 Election

Under Revenue Procedure 2009-41, how long do you have to file a late election?

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LLC and SET

Form LLC for tax business

Multimember

All members pay SET on distributable share of income

What election can you make to avoid partial SE tax and avoid PSC tax?

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New Client

Wants to go into business

Recommend how to form the business

Wants to protect his personal assets

What form do you recommend?

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Part VII. – The Test!

1. Sole Proprietorship Owners are referred to as a: ____________, but not as a ____________.

2. Partnership Owners are referred to as a : ___________, but not as a _________.

3. Filing 1120, the Owner is referred to as a : __________, but not as a __________.

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Test

4. Filing 1120S, the Owner referred to as a: _________, but not as a ___________.

5. As you change the federal tax classification of the LLC, do you need a new federal identification number?

6. What is the automatic default?

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More Test

7. If LLCs are not in the Tax Code, how would you do your tax research for each one of the four federal tax classifications?

8. Define a disregarded entity, sometimes referred to as a DRE.

9. Can an LLC be taxed as a C corp or an S corp without incorporating?

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A Few More

10. As a member, what is my role in the LLC?

a. Will you receive a certificate of ownership?

b. Will you be able to vote according to the number of units owned?

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Almost Done

c. Is there a limitation on the number of members the LLC may have?

e. Form 8832 is used in what three circumstances?

f. What two federal tax classifications can be obtained by the LLC with no election?

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Really Close Now

g. Can an election be made any time during the tax year to change from a sole proprietorship or partnership taxation to corporate taxation?

h. If the taxpayer elects out of the default classification, does this constitute an election for the 60-month rule?

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I See the Finish

i. When does the LLC make an election that does not require they stay the election for 60 months?

j. What IRS Form is filed to elect the LLC to be taxed as an S Corporation?

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Finished!

k. What entity allows a business to change its taxable status as it needs, wishes and desires for the business change, with minimal effort?

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Part VIII – Why LLC?

Best attributes of the four entities

No personal assets of owners subject to creditors

Limited liability without incorporating

LLCs are attractive alternatives

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Practitioner’s Alert

A Florida Supreme Court Ruling – June 24, 2010

Single member LLCs no longer provide asset protection from claims made by creditors of the LLC owner.

Florida!

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Why NOT be an LLC?

State tax considerations

States not uniform

Different fees and rules

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Ways to Use SMLLCs

Asset protection for Schedule C Taxpayer

Schedule E Rental Property

For noncorporate subsidiaries of C Corps.

For noncorporate subsidiaries of S Corps

For noncorporate subsidiaries of FLP

1031 Exchange

1033 Replacements

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Maintaining Limited Liability

Maintain formalities

Document compliance

Adequate capitalization

LLC does business

Use of LLC name

Separate bank account

File returns & reports

SMLLCs use LLC name

Get tax ID number

Prepare LLC Financial Statements

Applications for Loans in LLC name

Use LLC name

Have Operating Agmt.

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LLCs

Limited Liability Companies (LLCs) have provided the tool that business owners have long desired:

Business simplicity with limited liability.

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It’s Up to YOU!

Knowledgeable, informed tax professionals, knowing the needs, wishes and desires of their clients, will determine if the LLC is the correct form of business and select the federal tax classification which most uniquely meets the needs of their clients.

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