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ANCIENTASTRONAUTSTHE AGE OLDQUESTION OF:

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INTERVIEW WITHGIORGIO TSOUKALOSBY SEAN CASTEEL

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26 NICK POPETowards a Scientific and Societal Agenda

on Extraterrestrial Life.

32 INTERVIEW WITH GIORGIO TSOUKALOS

Sean Casteel interviews Giorgio Tsoukalos.

36 ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS

Smoking Gun of Egyptolgy found or not ?

Wayne Herschel examines the evidence.

40 BACKLIGHT

Mike Hallowell looks at another 'cold case'file and sheds new light on an old mystery.

06 1945 UFO CRASH PART 1

The 1945 UFO crash at San Anotonio - PartOne by Paola Harris. A UFO MATRIX

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14 BERWYN DEBUNKERS

Scott Felton answers the critics of theBerwyn Mountains UFO crash.

22 PHILIP GARDINER FEATUREPhilip Gardiner's regular sceptical column.

This time the Retilian agenda comes

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44 UNX-X DIRECTORS CUT

Raam Barros gives us information weshould be aware of, having put aside the

negatives which come with making a

disclosure and decides to explain theoccurrences, which were literally out of

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48 SECRET SPACE PROGRAMIs there a secret space program? Richard

Thomas looks behind the Gary

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54 JAMES GILLILAND

Lorin Cutts takes this opportunity to

interview James Gilliland at his ranch near

Mount Adams.

60 ET CONTACT FROM PERU

UFO sightings and videos from Peru by

the Proyecto UFO team.

64 MCMINNVILLE

The most famous UFO photo-case in UFO

history is looked at by Kal Korff.

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96 NAZI RAIDERS

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26 68 30TH ANNIVERSARY

RENDLESHAM LECTURES

John Hanson gives us an account of the

recent Rendlesham anniversary lecturesin Suffolk.

74 OZ COLUMN

Our regular look at UFO sightings from

down-under by Sheryl Gottschall

& Lee Paqui.

77 MAHABHARATA

Is there proof of ancient astronauts in the

ancient Indian text? Jijth Nadumuri Ravi

examines the evidence.

85 THE BERWYN MOUNTAINSixteen years later, the Berwyn

Mountains would again be the focus for a

story involving a downed UFO. But this

time, some said, the story was for real.

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entered the realm of make-believe.

Because the modern scientists of that planet

will then say, There is no way that all those

ancient texts about these gods descending

from the sky have ever been true. They were all

just a fantasy.So what Erich is saying is that the

ancient astronauts theory transcends the whole

idea of GODbecause God is much bigger than

could be put inside a book or God would not

need a vehicle to travel from point A to point B.

Therefore, according to Tsoukalos, God in the

Old Testament was anything but God.

He was a misunderstood flesh-and-blood

extraterrestrial,Tsoukalos said. And, if you

subscribe to ancient aliens, it does not have to

diminish your belief in God. Quite the contrary,

because it means that creation was way more

magnificent than were seeing right now.

Tsoukalos also does not believe that early

mankind was any less intelligent than we are

Perhaps that question can best be answered

by Giorgio Tsoukalos, the official spokesman

in the English-speaking world for legendary

ancient astronauts scholar, Erich von Dniken.

Tsoukalos is also the editor ofLegendary

Times, the official publication of the

Archaeology, Astronautics and SETI Research

organisation, which is a revamped version of

the earlier Ancient Astronauts Society. The

Ancient Astronauts Society was founded in

1973 by a von Dniken enthusiast named Gene

Phillips and when Phillips decided to retire in

1997, Tsoukalos was tapped by von Dniken to

replace him.

So basically,Tsoukalos said, I was asked to

run the English-speaking department because I

was living in the States at that time. Ive always

been interested in this and Ive been a friend of

Erichs since my early teens.

Tsoukalosduties also include a certain

amount of travelling and research. When this

interview was conducted, he had recentlyreturned from visiting a series of Native-

American reservations, where he viewed some

petroglyphs and carvings that may have a

bearing on the ancient astronauts theory.

Plus there are many, many museums that

are available in the United States, such as the

Natural History Museum in New York City,

which is a treasure trove for ancient astronaut-

related stuff,Tsoukalos said. So whenever Im in

New York, I make sure to visit there. Theyve got

some really amazing things there that can be

found nowhere else.For example,he continued, in the Maya

section, they have a little statue of this guy with

six wings and a pack on his chest and tubes

coming out. Hes wearing a skullcap and a suit.

It looks very interesting, from a modern

perspective, and seems to clearly reference a

type of astronaut.

But Tsoukalos warns that the ancient

astronauts depicted in ancient carvings, like the

six-winged figure above, are not to be confused

with the literal presence of God. In fact, while

von Dniken is the primary mover and shaker in

the ancient astronauts community, he himself

prays to what he believes is a higher God than

that depicted in our religious texts.

One of the main arguments for the ancient

astronauts theory,Tsoukalos cautioned, is that

whoever or whatever was described, for

example, in the Old Testament, wasnt

necessarily GOD, as in the Force of the Universe

or the Force of Creation or the Spirit of

Everything or whatever you want to call it, but a

misunderstood flesh-and-blood extraterrestrial.

It would be the same thing if a thousand

years from now, we Earthlings arrive on a

distant planet and we encounter seeminglyintelligent life. Lets say that that life is,

technologically speaking, still primitive. What

would we do? Would we just stand back and

then depart again? Or would we actually

meddle, would we interfere with their

development? And the answer is clear. Of

course we will meddle with their development

and we will interfere with their culture, because

we know that we would have instant god-like

status with them because were descending

from the sky. Were coming down in flying

vehicles which they would then describe asflying chariots and things like that.

Tsoukalos said that we should imagine fast-

forwarding five thousand years into the future

of the primitive species, when our visit will have

So whats new in the ancient world?

by Sean Casteel

Not Made By

An Interview with

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producer, and a new series on NBC called The

Event. When this interview was conducted, a

new movie called Skyline was soon to be

released that featured people being sucked up

into UFOs.

It looks quite spectacular,he said. So all this

entertainment stuff serves as some type of

reconditioning, of telling the public, Hey, not

only are we not alone, but weve never been

alone and well never be alone and theyve

always been here. Get used to it.And the whole

idea that, if the extraterrestrials show up, that

they will eat us or annihilate us, is complete

nonsense, in my opinion. Because, why wait so

long? Why not do it while we were still hunting

with bows and arrows? Theres this whole

doom and gloom scenario, in my opinion, and

today, but that they simply lacked a frame of

reference for understanding alien technology.

He quoted science-fiction writer Arthur C.

Clarkes famous saying, Any sufficiently

advanced technology is indistinguishable from

magic.

And that pretty much sums up the whole

ancient astronauts theory,Tsoukalos added.

Von Dnikens newest book is called Twilight

of the Gods (New Page Books, 2010) and among

the many subjects the new book tackles is the

mystery of whats to come in 2012, when the

Mayan calendar comes to an end. Tsoukalos, for

one, is not buying into the doomsday scenarios

being put forth by many.

To the great majority of people who have to

sell books, to them, the world is coming to an

end. The Judgement Day will be here, the End

of Days, the Apocalypse. All this crazy, crazystuff.

Tsoukalos is quick to point out that nowhere

do the Mayans themselves say that the world

will come to an end, but that there will, instead,

come the beginning of another cycle of time.

He explained, Just like at the end of the year,

every December 31st, your office calendar runs

out. What do you do? You go out to the store

and you buy yourself another calendar.

Tsoukalos said that von Dniken also poses

this question: Everyone only talks about the end

of the Mayan calendar. Why does nobody talkabout the beginning of the calendar?

Interestingly enough,Tsoukalos explained,

scholars have determined when the beginning

was and that is the 11th of August, 3114 BC. So

wed all have to agree that the Maya didnt exist

back then, as far as were told by mainstream

science. According to a Mayan text from the

Chilam Balam, from the Book of the Jaguar

Priests, written after the Spanish conquests, the

opening date of the calendar is when the

highway to the stars descended from the sky,

bringing with it a host of gods who taught

mankind various disciplines.

If and when they return, they will rectify

everything that was once wrong,Tsoukalos

said. So will extraterrestrials come back on the

21st of December, 2012? I speak for Erich on this,

and Im quoting him right now: Absolutely not.

Nothing will happen in 2012, actually. It might

be an astronomical alignment, but the only

thing we have to worry about is one huge

hangover on December 22nd. Thats about it.

Another topic that is frequently kickedaround is UFO Disclosure, about which

Tsoukalos, again, has definite opinions. He said

that at a speaking engagement at the 2010

Bay Area UFO Expo, in San Jose, California, he

was repeatedly asked when he felt Disclosure

would happen.

I can tell you right now,he said, that

Disclosure, as such, will never happen in one

press conference. Disclosure is happening right

now. Were in the middle of it. Disclosure is

happening all around us.

To bolster his argument, Tsoukalos madereference to the many alien and UFO-related

television programs in the United States,

including the History Channel programme,

Ancient Aliens, for which he is a consulting

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This is book number twenty-nine that Erichs

written,Tsoukalos said. So, obviously, there is

some rehashing of old material. But, in this

book, for example, he goes into great detail

about a site in South America called Puma

Punku. Puma Punku is a place on the border of

Peru and Bolivia, right next to Lake Titicaca, in

the highlands of the Andes. Its also right next

to a site called Tiwanaku (also spelled as

Tiahuanaco Editor). Every day, dozens of

tourists go to Tiwanaku and photograph the

site and walk around. They huff and puff when

they walk around because were at thirteen

thousand feet up in the air, so the air is veryrarified up there.

But what many of those tourists dont know,

and the guides wont talk about, is that only a

hundred and fifty yards away is the little known

site called Puma Punku, a place that completely

defies logic,according to Tsoukalos.

You have this entire field of ruins of gigantic

stones,Tsoukalos said, all of which are cut out

of granite and diorite. We have formations there

that we still today would have difficulties

recreating. And thats not me talking. Thats

actually a stonecutter by the name of RogerHopkins, who has his stone quarry in Palm

Springs, California.

After viewing photos of Puma Punku, shown

to him by Tsoukalos, Hopkins said that you

also in Erichs opinion you can keep a society

captive by instilling fear and I personally want

to go as far away as possible from that. And also

Erich. Erich looks forward to giving lectures in

2016 and 2020. 2012 is just a date.

Von Dniken also looks forward to a future

free of the Apocalypse described in the Bible

and believes that prophecy, by definition, does

not exist.

The reason why prophets were prophets at

the time is because they had knowledge that

was given to them by extraterrestrials,

Tsoukalos said. But that does not make them

prophets in the sense of what we know today,of what we think a prophet is. There is no way

of predicting the future. The future is unwritten.

Even according to the Bible, we have free will.

One argument renders the other useless.

Meanwhile, von Dniken does lend some

credence to modern-day beliefs about UFOs

and alien abduction.

Erich definitely says those things are

happening right now,Tsoukalos affirmed.

Theres no question about that. But he also

thinks that some of the abductions are done by

human beings. Its our people who areabducting people and putting them in a lab or

something like that. But that does not negate

the fact that UFOs, extraterrestrial UFOs, are

visiting Earth and abducting people. Even if

ninety-nine percent of all abductions are

manmade, well, that one percent is still

extraterrestrial and thats all we need. So, yes,

Erich definitely thinks that the modern-day UFO

abduction phenomenon does take place.

In fact, in the mid-1990s, von Dniken was

among the first to invite the late abduction

researcher, Dr. John Mack, of Harvard University,

to speak at one of his conferences, so that Mack

would have a public forum to discuss his

findings regarding abduction.

Dr. Mack, at the time, was one of the first

university professors who, in public, maintained

that the abduction phenomenon is, in fact, real,Tsoukalos said. For any professor to do that,

especially one from Harvard, is a big deal. I really

dont think that Mack fell on his head. I really

think he had some tangible evidence.

Tsoukalos recalled spending time with Mack

at a 1996 ancient astronauts conference in

Berne, Switzerland.

He was great and he was completely,

quote, unquote, on our side. Thats become

more the norm now, but, back in the Nineties,

that was completely out of the norm; it was not

normal for bona fide university professors toside with us.

The conversation turned again to von

Dnikens new book, Twilight of the Gods, which

covers some interesting new ground.

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could not pay him enough to tackle the near

impossible task of building anything remotely

similar to the ancient site.

Tsoukalos asked, And if a stonemason says

that to me, who am I going to listen to? A

professor who says all of this was done with

chicken bones and string? Or am I going to

listen to a real-time, real-life stonemason,

stonecutter, who tells me this would be

extremely difficult for us to replicate today?

God bless the professors,he continued. But

in some ways, they just have to concede,

because neither Erich nor I are saying, for

example, that our ancestors did not know how

to cut stone. Of course they knew how to cut

stone. In fact, they were very good at it whenthey cut limestone or soft, porous stone. I dont

care about those stonecutting things. But what

I care about is how on Earth did they cut diorite,

andesite and dolerite? That is the question.

In order to cut granite (and the other rocks

mentioned) in this day and age, a diamond-

tipped saw is required. It cant be done with

obsidian or the aforementioned chicken bones

or any kind of bronze tools. Given that we

moderns couldnt easily recreate it, what was the

ultimate purpose of the Puma Punku stones?

Puma Punku is certainly not an altar,

Tsoukalos replied. Yes, our ancestors did build

things that were intended for worship, for

rituals. But those places usually contained or

featured some type of hieroglyphics or glyphs

or some wonderful ornamentation thats been

carved into the rock, of faces or flowers or

anything. Just beautiful carvings.

Puma Punku, on the other hand, is one

hundred percent anonymous. Not a single

glyph has been found, not a single carved

flower or carved ornamentation. The blocks that

we find there, some of them up to eighty-five

tons, are all very technical in nature. Youve got

a whole lot of little inside boxes that have been

cut out. Every block at Puma Punku looks as if it

was the counterpart to another block. Like a

female piece and a male piece fitting together

and vice versa. Another interesting thing is also

the fact that its as if only master stonemasons

were allowed to work there, because nowhere

do you find any mistakes. Nowhere is there a

place where a guy slipped while he was cutting

a stone. Its all perfect.

All of this leads Tsoukalos to conclude that

Puma Punku is, by far, the most inexplicablesite in the world.

I would even venture to say,he declared,

that Puma Punku is the only place in the world

that was not built by human hands, that that

place was, in fact, built by extraterrestrials using

some type of machinery.

He went on, Of course, nobody knows the

purpose, but I theorise that Puma Punku might

have been one of the base camps of the

extraterrestrials. It was basically their place. All

the mythologies and legends surrounding

Puma Punku and Lake Titicaca say the location

has been one of the navelsof the world. Navels

of the worldwas a term used in ancient times

when they wanted to signify where life

originated. For example, in ancient Greece,

Delphi is considered the navel of the world.

Why? Because the Greeks think that life

originated at Delphi.

And how did life originate? From outerspace. All those different origin stories are

always the same, that some type of silver egg

appeared or a cosmic egg arrived from the

deep, dark nothingness. From then on,

humankind thrived, out of nowhere. The idea is

that our ancestorsgenetic make-up was

tampered with by extraterrestrials and thus we

were made, quote, unquote, humans.And they

used Puma Punku as a base camp to explore

the rest of the world, as we know they did.

Puma Punku is pretty central for all of South

America, so its a perfect point from which to

travel all over.

For von Dniken and Tsoukalos, Puma Punku

is a kind of diamond hidden in plain sight.

Many volumes have been written about nearby

Tiwanaku and Lake Titicaca, but there are only a

handful of scholarly references to Puma Punku,

usually a paragraph or two presented in

passing. Twilight of the Gods devotes a large

chunk of its more than two hundred pages to

examining the site, but most questions about

it remain

unanswered.

When this

interview was

conducted,

Tsoukalos was in

the midst of

shooting the

second season

ofAncient Aliens

for the History

Channel. The

season will

eventually number ten one-hour episodes and

Tsoukalos is enthusiastic about the project.

Were very busy running around and tryingto get everything done,he said. Its very

exciting. How many times have we been part of

a television programme and then it was

completely botched up and we were made to

look like idiots? And this time, withAncient

Aliens, theyre actually taking this stuff seriously.

Being a consulting producer to the show, if I

have a suggestion or if I have something to

say, guess what? Theyre actually listening. Its

totally awesome.

[To learn more about Erich von Dniken,

Giorgio Tsoukalos and the Archaeology,

Astronautics and SETI Research Association,

visit www.legendarytimes.com

Sean Casteel is a freelance journalist and a

Contributing Editor to the American UFO

Magazine. He is also the author of the books

UFOs, Prophecy and the End of Time, Signs and

Symbols of the Second Coming and The

Excluded Books of the Bible.To read more of his

work, visit his website at

www.seancasteel.com]

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