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MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIESOCTOBER 2012

CONFIRMED MINUTES

CONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 22 – 25, 2012

OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTELPITTSBURGH, PENNSLYVANIA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2012 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2012

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED

This presentation contains the information reviewed in the meeting and follows the order of the rest of the minutes presented here.

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTLTG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 22-Oct-12.

Quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members /Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Muriel Auzanne AirbusFran Azzarto GE AviationValdemir Campos EmbraerRobert Clark Eaton Aerospace

* Linda Cook Rolls-Royce* Georges Coste SAFRAN Group* Doug Deaton GE Aviation* George Doviak Goodrich (UTAS)* Kevin Elston Spirit AeroSystems, Inc.* John Haddock BAE Systems Air &

Information (MAI)* John Knie The Boeing Company* Frank Lennert The Boeing Company

Adrien Maffre AirbusJennifer McKeegan Cessna Aircraft Company

* Olivier Molinas Eurocopter* Tim Myers Honeywell Aerospace Chairperson

Burcu Okur Duransoy

GE Aviation

* Amanda Rickman Raytheon Co. Vice ChairpersonSecretary

* Christian Schwaminger MTU Aero Engines GmbHHenry Sikorski UTC - Pratt & Whitney

* Neil Tinsley UTC - Pratt & Whitney

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* Verl Wisehart Rolls-RoyceHuiQing Zhang COMAC

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Siobhan Alekna SPS TechnologiesVincent Antonypillai Lisi Aerospace CanadaFrancois Barbaza ECCIPierre Barbaza ECCIPaula Bartlett Sulzer Metco (Canada), Inc.

* Corwyn Berger Exova, Inc. Chicago* Mary Lee Bogensperger PCC Airfoils

Mike Brandt Alcoa, Inc.Richard Brazil Alcoa, Inc.

* Wayne Brege Cannon Muskegon Corp.* Philip Bretz Metcut Research Associates,

Inc.Massimo Capriolo Bytest SRLJean-Francois Chevalier Lisi Aerospace

* John Chir Latrobe Specialty Steel Company

Julien Corato Exova, Inc.Mark Crevier Morton Manufacturing

* Deena Crossmore IMR Test LabsBecky DeGutis SAE InternationalLee Dilks Laboratory Testing, Inc.

* Eric Dirats Dirats Laboratories* Bryan Engel Esco Turbine Technologies-

SyracuseThomas Evanko TCT Stainless Steel, Inc.Dawn Fechtel Metaltest, Inc.

* Kay Fisher Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG

Richard Gasset Lisi AerospaceScott Gates Element WixomDaniel Geist ARMI

* Brian Griffin Howmet Research Corp.Ergin Gungor TEI

* Bryan Hall NSL Analytical Services, Inc.Alan Hambley Durkee Testing LaboratoriesJim Harlukowicz Element CharlotteKevin Hineman ATI Allegheny LudlumJud Holl Element Materials

Technology NewtownRaymond Hozempa Yankee Casting Co., Inc.Daniel Hunt Haynes InternationalKayoko Inata Kiguchi Technics, Inc.Steve Keck Carpenter Technology

CorporationDennis Kidd Cincinnati Testing Labs, Inc.Jim Kiely Titanium MetalsNatalie Koon Haynes InternationalWayne Langley Metaltest, Inc.Sylvie Lefebvre

AddisonLisi Aerospace

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Greg Lobosky Element Materials Technology Newtown

* David Luoni Element Materials Technology Newtown

Giuseppe Marzano Haley Ind.Olga McDonald Sherry Laboratories LLCBrandon McVaugh Laboratory Testing, Inc.Subramanya Naglapura S.S. White Technologies, Inc.Christine Nesbitt TIMET Corporation

* Amy Neugebauer Element CincinnatiTesuya Nishimura Kiguchi Technics, Inc.Bob Olevson Element Huntington Beach

* Frank Peszka Laboratory Testing, Inc.Brett Pichla TCT Stainless Steel, Inc.

* Len Radys Atlas Testing LaboratoriesSara Randall M&P LabsBen Ransom RTI Int’l Metals Inc., Tradco,

Inc.James Rauckhorst Tensile Testing Metallurgical

LabDouglas Reed Special Metals CorporationDaniel Reeves CPP Corp.Brian Reynolds Alcoa, Inc.Mark Richeson Haynes International

* Jim Rossi Westmoreland Mechanical Testing

Earl Ruth Tinius Olsen* Dave Serbousek Olympic Scientific, Inc.

Derek Sicotte Dirats LaboratoriesJohn Sieber NISTGlenn Sime Intertek

* Byron Skillings ATI Ladish ForgingSuzanne Smatko Wyman Gordon Pennsylvania

* Harvey Smith IncoTestJeffry Smith Element ClevelandMichael Snyder Special Metals CorporationHoward Spader InstronDorota Stankiewicz Russell Plastics Technology

Co., Inc.Shirley Strickland M&P LabsTsunao Tezuka IHI CorporationJohn Thomas Timet

* T. Rao Tipirneni Long Island Testing Labs, Inc.

* Jennifer Tret Sherry LaboratoriesNatia Turmanidze Lisi AerospaceJeff Viney Metcut Research

* Kevin VonScio Perryman CompanyBryon White Crane Aerospace &

Electronics* Margaret Willis Allvac Monroe

Frank Worpenberg Element Cincinnati* Jason Wright Metals Technology, Inc.

Emre Yavuz TEIJon Zook 3M

PRI Staff Present

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Jim BorczykRobert HoethJim LewisJoe PintoKevin Wetzel

1.2 It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance for the “Closed” portion

1.3 Introductions – All in attendance were asked to state name, company and voting status

1.4 Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct was reviewed with the attendees

1.5 Review Agenda

2.0 SUCCESSION PLAN (NEED VICE-CHAIRPERSON) – CLOSED

This was decided in the closed meeting. (See Section 42.0)

3.0 AUDIT REPORT REVIWER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

All current delegated reviewers (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, and Jim Stokes) continue to meet the requirements defined in NOP-003. No change was made to the delegation status.

PRI Staff Engineers Bob Lizewski and Rob Hoeth are reviewing MTL audits as non-delegated audit report reviewers. Audits assigned to these audit report reviewers will need to be reviewed by a quorum of the subscriber voting members prior to accreditation. They will be eligible for consideration for delegated status at the February 2013 meeting based on the one year rule.

Accepted vs. Closed on the NCR’s – If Kevin lists ‘accepted’, he wants further review by the Task Group. Non-delegated reviewers are required to preliminarily accept and only close once concurrence from a quorum of the Task Group is achieved.

4.0 AUDITOR EVALUATIONS / SUPPLIER FEEDBACK / AUDIT OBSERVATIONS– CLOSED

The MTLTG reviewed data supplied concerning Auditor Evaluations that are completed by the Audit Report Reviewer and the Supplier Feedback that are completed by the Supplier. Auditor portion of the Dashboard on eAuditNet was reviewed.

Subscriber Audit Observation Reports were reviewed and discussed. NOP-007 was reviewed as this procedure describes the process for scheduling and participation for an audit observation.

5.0 OPEN MEETING BEGINS – OPEN

Welcome

6.0 OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN

Establish quorum & Introductions

Antitrust and Code of Ethics Video

Agenda review

Meeting Conduct/Rules on the Pink Sheets

6.5 Approval of the June 2012 Minutes

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The minutes of the June 2012 meeting held in Berlin, Germany were accepted as written.

6.6 Meeting Conduct

Tim Myers explained parliamentary procedure.

7.0 Nadcap TUTORIAL – OPEN

The MTLTG reviewed a presentation given by Kevin Wetzel regarding the Nadcap/MTL Policies and Procedures.

In addition to Kevin Wetzel and Jim Lewis listed as Staff Engineers, Rob Hoeth and Bob Lizewski are now non-delegated Staff Engineers for MTL.

Next meetings:February 18-22, 2013 Dallas, TX USAJune 3-7, 2013 Paris, FranceOctober 2013 Pittsburgh, PA USA

8.0 VOTING AND MOTION CONTROL PROCESS – OPEN

Issues from Berlin Meeting:- When is a subscriber only vote appropriate for MTL?- How are tie votes resolved?- When a motion is defeated and a counter motion is made, should there be a ‘deliberation’ period

following discussion?

It is up to the Judgment of the chair if votes should be limited to the all Voting Members or Subscriber Voting Members only.

When is a subscriber only vote appropriate for MTL?Tim Myers made a motion to designate: - All accreditation requirements and other matters of accreditation as Subscriber only votes.- All other matters of Audit Criteria to be open voting by all Voting Members in attendance at time

the vote is called. Unless otherwise determined by the Chair as being detrimental to the program.Motion seconded.

Jason Wright made a motion to defer Tim’s previous motion. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Opposed 4 votes)

ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to reword his deferred motion more clearly for the Dallas meeting.(DUE DATE: 18-FEB-13)

How are tie votes resolved?Tim Myers made a motion to designate:- All Subscriber only votes broken by vote of the Chair.

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- All other voting shall have ties broken by the majority of Subscriber votes (if a tie still exists, it’s broken by the Chair.)

- Chair always votes last and only when needed to decide a vote.

Eric Dirats made a motion to amend Tim Myers’ motion by removing the word ‘Subscriber’ from the second bullet. Motion seconded.

Eric Dirats withdrew his motion amendment.

George Doviak made a motion to vote on Tim Myers’ proposed motion to break ties. Motion Seconded. (Yes--33, No--14, Abstain--8). Motion passed.

When a motion is defeated and a counter motion is made, should there be a ‘deliberation’ period following discussion?

Tim Myers made a motion to allow a “motion to postpone the vote” without requiring a second or vote for postponement. This allows anyone deliberation time by moving to postpone until a specified date/time. Motion to postpone is only debatable for date/time to resume main motion. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

9.0 NEW VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN

Jennifer Tret of Sherry Laboratories was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Jennifer Tret is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

Siobhan Alekna of SPS Technologies was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Siobhan Alekna is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

Harvey Smith of Inco Test was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Harvey Smith is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

An m-frm-01 was completed for all new voting members.

10.0 FEEDBACK FROM BERLIN MEETING – OPEN

Specific feedback from the Berlin meeting was presented including concerns on the resolution of round robin and proficiency testing issues and delayed RAIL item closure. The overall meeting facilitation improvements were well received.

11.0 PT PROGRAM APPROVAL PROCESS SUB-TEAM REPORT – OPEN

Muriel Auzanne presented sub-team status and recommendation.

Linda Cook made a motion to accept the revision to NTGOP-001 as written. Motion seconded.

Frank Lennert made a motion to amend the previous motion to read “to accept the sub-team proposal to be included in the revision of NTGOP-001”. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Reworded motion:Linda Cook made a motion to accept the sub-team proposal to be included in the revision of NTGOP-001. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

12.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON MTL/CT CHECKLIST COMPARISION – OPEN6


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Jennifer Tret presented the sub-team’s status. The sub-team will continue to review AC7109/5 and AC7101/4 to see where commonality can be incorporated.

13.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON AUDITOR STAFFING PROCESS – OPEN

Kevin Wetzel presented the sub-team’s status. The team proposed a change to the a-frm-04MTL to let the auditor candidates rate their experience 0-5 on each test technique.

Frank Lennert made a motion to accept the revised a-frm-04MTL presented by the sub-team. Motion seconded.

Eric Dirats made a motion to amend Frank’s motion to read “to approve the revised a-frm-04MTL by the sub-team and direct it be used for staffing of auditors.” Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Reworded motion:Frank Lennert made a motion to approve the revised a-frm-04MTL by the sub-team and direct it be used for staffing of auditors. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

14.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON HANDBOOK – OPEN

Tim Myers’ presented the sub-team’s status. Work will progress on the Audit Handbook during this meeting. The goal is for the Audit Handbook to be ready for release at the conclusion of the week.

15.0 NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3 PRESENTATION – OPEN

The vision requirements of NOP-002 were discussed as well as NMC’s intent of each of the subsections of 3.3.

16.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3 – OPEN

Mike Brandt presented the sub-team’s review of AC7101/5.

Mike Brandt made a motion to remove 2.6 (PT portion), 4.4, 4.5, 7.1 and all criteria in “does not align” column from /5 and incorporate sub-team recommendation’s for verbiage changes into AC7101/5 and ballot. Motion seconded.

Dave Luoni made a motion to postpone indefinitely the previous motion. Motion seconded. (Yes-27, No-15)

Kay Fisher made a motion for the sub-team to reconvene with recommended processes to resolve audit criteria which are not supported by industry standards. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Sub-team will meet later this week

17.0 TAG FORMATION AND IMPLEMENTATION – OPEN

TAG (Technical Advisory Groups) definition, responsibilities and formation progress were presented.

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Tim Myers made a motion to postpone TAG implementation until at least 7 participants are recognized for each TAG. Any TAG with 7 meeting the structure of TAG can be implemented. Motion seconded.

Jason Wright made a motion to postpone indefinitely Tim Myers’ previous motion. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Jason Wright made a motion to change the TAG composition to consist of a minimum of 3 representatives from separate voting member companies, all of whom are Subject Matter Experts (SMEs), to maintain consistency with the open meeting policy and NTGOP-001 4.2.1.1. Motion seconded. Motion passed (No-1).

Tim Myers presented current signup sheet of volunteers for TAGs. Further members volunteered. Chairs were selected for all TAGs except the /11 TAG.

18.0 AUDIT HANDBOOK DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY – OPEN

Section 3.1 of the Handbook draft reviewed and modified.

19.0 OPENING COMMENTS

Welcome, Quorum Check, Introductions, Antitrust/Code of Ethics, Agenda Review

20.0 AUDITOR CONFERENCE – OPEN

The Task Group reviewed items from the recent Auditor Conference

20.1 Certified Reference Materials (CRM) Presentation

John Sieber, NIST presented “The Role of NIST and Commercial CRM Suppliers in the World Metrology System for Metals and Alloys”

20.2 Auditor Consistency Report

Kevin Wetzel presented the basic data set being developed by the NMC Auditor Consistency team.

Limited time was given prior to the presentation to analysis the data

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to report back to the MTL TG the results from other TG in the analysis of this data. (DUE DATE: 4-FEB-13)

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20.3 New Auditor Orientation Program Introduction

Kevin Wetzel presented an overview of the New Auditor Orientation program

20.4 Supplier Observer Report of the Auditor Conference

Bryan Hall: Report out from attending the Auditor Conference with Jason Wright & Bob Olevson“Continuous Improvement”

Referencing a standard vs. invoking a standardWas auditor conference ’training’ or ’meeting’?

Greg Lobosky made a motion to have two members of the supplier community be allowed to continue to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis to provide input. Motion seconded.

Bryan Hall made a motion to amend Greg’s motion to read “to have two members of the supplier community be allowed to continue to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis.” Motion seconded. Motion passed.

T. Rao Tipirneni made a motion to amend the wording of the motion to “have three members of the supplier community be allowed to continue to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis.” Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Back to the main motion:Greg Lobosky made a motion to have three members of the supplier community be allowed to continue to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis. Motion seconded.

George Doviak made a motion to postpone indefinitely Greg’s motion. Motion seconded. Motion Failed.

Back to original motion:Greg Lobosky made a motion to have three members of the supplier community be allowed to continue to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Opposed-3)

Byron Skillings made a motion to formally request through our NMC contacts that NOP-002 be changed to include “have three members of the supplier community be allowed to continue to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis”. Motion seconded.

Dave Luoni made a motion to amend the motion to read to formally request through our NMC contacts that NOP-002 be changed to include “have three members of the supplier community be allowed to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis”. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Eric Dirats made a motion to amend the motion to read “to formally request through our NMC contacts that NOP-002 be changed to include “have members of the supplier community be allowed to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis”

Eric withdrew his request for amendment to the motion.

Dennis Kidd made a motion to amend the motion to read formally request through our NMC contacts that NOP-002 be changed to include “have three members of the supplier community be

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allowed to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis”. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Opposed-2)

Kay Fisher called for a vote.

Back to the motion:Bryon Skillings made a motion to amend the motion to read formally request through our NMC contacts that NOP-002 be changed to include “have three members of the supplier community be allowed to observe Auditor Conference on an on-going basis”. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Opposed-1)


Break out session for AC7101/3 Section 7 alignment to recent revision of ASTM E1012.

22.0 NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3: FOCUS IN AC7101/1 – OPEN

Kay Fisher and Jason Wright p resented possible options to deal with NOP issues:- Put requirements into ASTM/ISOs and prime specs- Use 3.3.5 for continuous improvement - Remove audit criteria without replacing- Remove audit criteria and place into Handbook as guidance- Document industry consensus that criteria belong in the checklist- Create an industry spec (like AS) with consensus requirements of industry.- Make the changes to /5 as is and see what NMC does about it- Add to supplemental checklists

Tim Myers’ suggestion on how to proceedProcesses for compliance to NOP-002 3.3:1. Create ad-hoc team to identify alignment with NOP-002 by judging criteria against 3.3.1, 3.3.2,

3.3.3, 3.3.4, 3.3.52. Apply 3.3.5 when possible and suggest verbiage changes3. Identify which subscribers have spec requirements supporting the remaining and determine if

that supports a “common” application4. Mark the remaining criteria which are not supported by common requirements for obsolescence

after sufficient time to take action: Criterion marked with ++ shall be obsolete one year after the effective date of AC7101/1F. This allows time for the TG subscribers to establish technical requirements and the TG to revise the audit criteria accordingly.

5. If the criteria become obsolete, TG may consider guidance in Handbook.

Kay Fisher made a motion to agree on a definition of common and postpone vote on proposed compliance process at Wed Oct 24 at 15:45. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Possible definitions of “Common”- Two or more- 50% simple majority- Align with NOP-001 (75%)- Already in the checklist therefore it’s common

23.0 AUDIT HANDBOOK– OPEN

Section 3.2 of the Handbook draft reviewed and revised.


Welcome, Quorum established, Introductions (including voting member status)

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25.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT DISCUSSION – OPEN

Topic #1: Jason Wright: “segregation of data”. Is this a Nadcap issue? AC7101/1, 14.2.1.12An issue was raised with customers requesting segregation of failing data on a separate certificate.

Topic #2: Kay Fisher. AC7101/1 Question 10.1.7: “The calibration certificates document the “as found” condition of the instrument.”

Kay Fisher made a motion to revise AC7101/1 Question 10.1.7 through balloting to read: “IF the instrument has been adjusted or repaired during the calibration process, the certificate contains machine “as found” conditions (conditions before any adjustment).” Motion seconded.

Frank Lennert made a motion to postpone Kay’s motion until balloting to AC7101/1. Motion seconded. Motion passed .

ACTION ITEM: Frank Lennert to investigate the requirement for always reporting “as found” condition on the calibration certificate. (DUE DATE: 4-FEB-13)

Topic #3: AC7101—why does the obsolete checklist need to be on the website?Kay Fisher: believes this can cause confusion. Can we put a label on it as “obsolete” or “withdrawn”?

Kay Fisher made a motion to mark AC7101 as obsolete for use after August 28, 2011”. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Topic #4: Jennifer Tret. Bond testing in AC7101/3

Jennifer Tret made a motion to consider incorporating bond testing into AC7101/3. Motion seconded.

Jennifer Tret withdraws her motion.

Topic #5: Jennifer Tret AC7101/11 Fasteners. Do any subscribers mandate fastener testing? (Also see section 42)

26.0 BRAINSTORM OPTIONS TO IMPROVE SUPPLIER AUDIT FEEDBACK QUALITY – OPEN

ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to give Corwyn Berger the information/notes from this topic to share with the SSC. (DUE DATE: 17-DEC-12)


28.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT – OPEN

Corwyn Berger presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For complete details, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.

29.0 REPORT OUPUT OF PLANNING AND OPS MEETING AND ROUNDTABLE – OPEN

Nothing impacting MTL from Planning & OPS

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Tim Myers asked in the Roundtable if any Task Groups (TG) received supplier comments regarding the NOP-002 change for supplier attendance at auditor conference/training. No other TGs seem to have this issue.

It was suggested the TG determine if there are any topics for Tim Myers to take to the Roundtable.

ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers on Day 1 of February 2013 meeting, Chair/SE to solicit input for Roundtable discussion. (DUE DATE: 18-FEB-13)

30.0 AGS PRESENTATION OF 3-YEAR PT PROGRAM OFFERINGS – OPEN

Julien Corato of Exova gave a presentation on the 2012-15 AGS PT program. If suppliers need a test not listed in the presentation they can, send Julien an email at [email protected]. He will determine if there is enough interest from other suppliers to add the test.

31.0 NEW BUSINESS / RAIL – OPEN

New Business Discussion

RAIL

Derek Sicotte, Dirats: Volunteers to be the Captain of the MTL RAIL.

Item #17: “AC7101/1: Perform a review of the existing offered scope of PTP programs to identify which tests need to be focused on to ensure coverage is provided for all test codes. This will allow the primes the opportunity to either use AGS PT, or another approved program to offer the needed PTP maximum.AC7101/1: Perform a review of the existing offered scope of PTP programs to identify which test codes are not commercially offered. How will these gaps be addressed?”CLOSED

Item #3 “Define the procedure and/or process for control of recognized providers of PT”TABLED

Item #4: “Arrange with MTL auditors and suppliers to gather real-time data for the time required to complete revised checklist. Input on current auditor preparation time requirements”.TABLED

ITEM #5 “Prepare a supplier alert and an auditor advisory which details the expectation of the AC7101/9 checklist. Schedule conference call with subteam”LEAVE OPEN. Subteam of HT and MTL to work on solution.

ITEM #7 “Send an e-mail to the MTLTG membership accredited to AC7101/11, requesting volunteers to participate in the review and revision of this checklist. The attached list of volunteers was developed at the meeting as a starting point.”CLOSED

ITEM #2 “Define RR/PTP requirements and details. For Fastener Testing AC7101/11”Discussion since London, no team really formed. Team needs to be formed and establish a leader.CLOSED

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New ITEM #501 Kevin Wetzel to determine companies who are accredited to /11 and solicit participation on /11 improvement. If inadequate support is noted, all /11 actions will cease due to lack of interest.

ITEM #12 “Review AC7109/5 and AC7101/4 and present a side by side comparison of CT and MTL checklists to CTTG.”CLOSED

ITEM #3 “Communicate back to Metcut Research Associates, Inc. The Task Group Chairperson will draft a letter of approval of this procedure for Metcut Research Associates, Inc. to have on record (to show an auditor, etc.).”OPEN – apply new approval process and then close.

ITEM #8 “Facilitate a demonstration/tutorial for eAuditNet electronic balloting during the February 2012 Nadcap meeting.”CLOSED, replaced by Item #500

ITEM #25 “Create a summary of the interpretation of Zero Alignment from AC7101/3 and send the summary to Kevin Wetzel to distribute to the Auditors and suppliers”OPEN. Doug to provide Kevin a document for inclusion in future handbook

ITEM #8 “PRI Staff to coordinate the balloting of AC7101/8 for withdrawal”CLOSED. Will raise in future as needed.

ITEM #9: “MTL TG to form sub-teams to conduct deep dives of top findings per checklist. It was agreed to focus on the top finding (1) per checklist to develop the process for review. PRI to provide the sub-teams with the sanitized NCR information for the sub-team review”OPEN: Put on hold by motion at the last meeting.

Jason Wright wants 5-6 suppliers to form the supplier team to mine the data on findings.

ACTION ITEM: A sub-team was formed Team: Bryan Hall (Lead), Derek Sicotte Jason Wright, Christine Nesbitt & Rob Hoeth. Sub-team to conduct an initial review and report out at the February meeting. (DUE DATE: 18-JAN-13)

ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to include the sub-team report out in the February 2013 agenda. (DUE DATE: 16-NOV-12)

ITEM #10 “PRI Staff to make the editorial changes to the tables located in the AC7101/4 documents. Present to the MTL Chair and Vice Chair for review”CLOSED

ITEM #1: “Sub-Team to review NIP-6-01, 6-01App. MTL, a-frm-04mtl - Auditor hiring preliminary questionnaire”CLOSED

ITEM #2 “Sub-Team established to document reference between requirements and Audit Criteria (AC) Start with AC7101/5 checklist. Rob Hoeth to initiate a meeting/call with CP TG representative to discuss their approach”CLOSED

ITEM #3 “sub team formed to propose text to NTGOP-001 Appendix 2 for communication, actions, and documentation of PT program approval process.”CLOSED

New ITEM #500 “Company balloting with tutorial for process.

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32.0 GATHER MEETING FEEDBACK

Paper forms gathered. Feedback can also be emailed to Tim Myers.

33.0 FINALIZE FEBRUARY 2013 MEETING AGENDA – OPEN

Balloting on the AC7101/1 checklist at Dallas.Prepare for AC7101/3 balloting at Dallas.

Muriel Auzanne made a motion to adopt the proposed draft Dallas agenda. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

34.0 MTL PROGRAM STATUS – NMC METRICS – OPEN

The NMC metrics were presented by Kevin Wetzel and reviewed by the Task Group

35.0 WORK HANDBOOK OR NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3 – OPEN

AC7101/3 Breakout Session Summary (Jim Rossi)- There were no unique discrepancies identified when reviewing the checklist with revised ASTM

E1012.- Continuing issues between the ASTM standards recommending action versus the checklist

requiring action

ACTION ITEM: Jim Rossi takes the lead to incorporate the recommendations and forward them to the AC7101/3 sub team for review, feedback and finalization. The goal is to have this completed and available for approval at the Dallas meeting. (DUE DATE: 3-DEC-12)

The TG reviewed a few other commodity supplemental checklists as examples.AC7110/3SAC7114/2S

The TG needs to define common:- A minimum of two (entity is then common between them)- 50% of subscribers- Align with NIP-4-01 AC acceptance (75%)- Already in the checklist therefore it’s common- If the cost impact is negligible, common is two subscribers, if cost impact is significant, common

is 75% of subscribers. Relative terms determined by TG on case by case basis.

Jason Wright made a motion to define “Common” as a minimum of 2 subscribers. Motion seconded.

Tim Myers made a motion to postpone Jason’s motion until tomorrow morning. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

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Tim Myers made a motion to accept:Processes for compliance to NOP-002 3.3:1. Create ad-hoc team to identify alignment with NOP-002 by judging criteria against 3.3.1, 3.3.2,

3.3.3, 3.3.4, 3.3.52. Apply 3.3.5 as liberally as possible and suggest verbiage changes3. Identify which subscribers have spec requirements supporting the remaining and determine if

that supports a “common” application4. Mark the remaining criteria which are not supported by common requirements for obsolescence

after sufficient time to take action: Criterion marked with ++ shall be obsolete one year after the effective date of AC7101/1F. This allows time for the TG subscribers to establish technical requirements and the TG to revise the audit criteria accordingly.

5. If the criteria become obsolete, TG may consider guidance in Handbook.Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Opposed – 5)


Introduction of new people, Quorum Check, Ethics/Code of Conduct Review

37.0 WORK HANDBOOK OR NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3 – OPEN

Resume work on the Handbook draft in Section 3.3

ACTION ITEM: Verl Wisehart to read through ISO 19011 to recommend any changes to the handbook. (DUE DATE: 18-FEB-13)

Bryan Hall made a motion to include the ‘Don’t’ column for this release of the handbook. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Tim Myers made a motion to remove bold-faced guidance from checklists during next revision and retain only in Handbook. Improve criteria as applicable based on guidance. Motion seconded. Motion Passed. (Opposed – 5)

Tim Myers made a motion: where guidance exists in both Handbook and checklist, the Handbook takes precedence until next checklist revision. Motion seconded. Motion Passed.

Amanda Rickman made a motion to accept and release the handbook as currently drafted. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

38.0 MEETING SUMMARY – OPEN

Review of objectives

Jason Wright made a motion to define “Common” as a minimum of 2 subscribers. Motion seconded.

Tim Myers made a motion to postpone indefinitely.

Open meeting adjourned at 11:45 a.m. (26-Oct-12)

39.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED

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Antitrust/Code of Ethics

40.0 METCUT PRESENTATION ON RR – CLOSED

MTL supplier Phil Bretz from Metcut presented the results of the internal IRR/SPC plan. The initial plan was present in Pittsburgh 2011 with a request for a report out scheduled Pittsburgh 2012.

Tim Myers made a motion to note in Nadcap meeting minutes the subscribers accepted the Metcut IRR presented to Subscribers on 10/25/12 for Creep, stress rupture, HCF, LCF, fracture toughness, and crack growth. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Yes – 7, No – 1, Abstain – 2)

41.0 MTL FAILURE BALLOT VOTING DISCUSSION – CLOSED

The MTL Task Group reviewed suppliers Appeal # 2012-024.

George Doviak made a motion to reject the appeal. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Abstain – 1).

Tim Myers made a motion to accept accreditation extension of 60 days if appealed to NMC prior to current accreditation expiration. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to communicate the Task Group decision to the supplier. (DUE DATE: 29-OCT-12)

42.0 DID THE MEETING ACCOMPLISH SUBSCRIBERS NEEDS? – CLOSED

Tim Myers made a motion to propose for immediate balloting of the following changes to NTGOP-001 App II Section 3.1. Change “and” in Paragraph “B” to “or” and add Paragraph “C” as an “or” option to read “Minimum 8 years materials lab testing experience”Motion seconded. (Yes-2, No-2, Abstain-1) Tim Myers broke tie – Yes*Post meeting comments called for a “point of order” regarding the execution of the presented motion. Due to lack of subscriber participants and a tie vote, it was determined the motion should be tabled for the Dallas agenda.

ACTION ITEM: Which subscribers mandate Materials Testing Laboratories upon fastener suppliers or mandate AC7101/11. Kevin Wetzel to send e-mail to all MTL TG Subscribers (DUE DATE: 26-NOV-12)

ACTION ITEM: Which subscribers use PT or IRR? Kevin Wetzel to send e-mail to all MTL TG Subscribers (DUE DATE: 26-NOV-12

Succession Plan:Tim Myers selected Amanda Rickman from Raytheon as the new Vice-chair.

An m-frm-01 was completed for the new Vice-Chair

43.0 MTL LEADERSHIP WRAPUP – CLOSED

No discussion.

ADJOURNMENT – 26-Oct-12 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:15 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: Amanda Rickman, [email protected]

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CONFIRMED MINUTES

***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* X NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

NTGOP-001 Appendix II MTL

MTL TG/Kevin Wetzel 18-FEB-13

a-frm-04 MTL Kevin Wetzel 10-DEC-12

AC7101A make obsolete Kevin Wetzel 10-DEC-12

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