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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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Docket No: PF13-16-000 5
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ALCONQUIN INCREMENTAL MARKET PROJECT 7
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Kelly Middle School 9
25 Manhan Drive 10
Norwich, CT 06360 11
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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 13
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The public scoping meeting, pursuant to notice, 15
convened at 7 p.m., Doug Sipe chair of the scoping meeting. 16
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LIST OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS 1
DOUG SIPE, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Chairman 2
JIM LUSKAY 3
MAGGIE SUTER 4
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MR. SIPE: Good evening guys. This is a big 2
place for a small audience, right. Anyhow, good evening on 3
behalf of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, I would 4
like to welcome you here tonight. This is a scoping meeting 5
for the Alconquin Incremental Market Project, known as the 6
AIM Project, proposed by Alconquin Gas Transmission LLC, 7
referred to Alconquin, an indirect subsidiary of Spectra 8
Energy Corp. 9
Let the record show that the public scoping meeting in 10
Norwich, Connecticut began at 7:08 pm, Wednesday, October 11
7th. 12
The primary purpose of this meeting is to provide 13
you with the opportunity to comment on the record and for us 14
to provide you with some information about the project and 15
about FERC and who we are, but really it's for you guys to 16
let us know to this point what your comments are on the 17
project. 18
My name is Douglas Sipe, I am the Outreach 19
Manager at FERC, to my right is Maggie Suter, she is the 20
Environmental Project Manager. In the back at the sign-in 21
table where you guys came in is Jennifer Lee and Stu 22
Buchanan. They are with NRG, they are a, well NRG I always 23
refer to them as a natural resource group, a consulting 24
firm. They are assisting us in the environmental 25
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documentation behind this proposal. 1
So you guys probably got an agenda when you 2
walked in and the agenda is basically, we are going to give 3
you an overview of FERC. We are going to ask the company to 4
give an overview of the project and then you guys will get 5
the opportunity to ask some questions to us, okay. 6
With that I will let you know who FERC is. The 7
FERC is an independent agency, it regulates the interstate 8
transmission of electricity, natural gas and oil. FERC 9
reviews proposals and authorizes construction of the 10
interstate natural gas pipelines, storage facilities and 11
liquefied natural gas terminals, as well as the licensing 12
inspection of hydro-electrical projects. 13
As a federal licensing agency, the FERC has 14
responsibility under the National Environmental Policy Act 15
to consider the potential environmental impact associated 16
with this project which is under consideration. 17
With regard to the Algonquin AIM Project, the 18
FERC is the lead federal agency, with that all this week we 19
have had inner agency meetings with state, we tried to have 20
some meetings with some federal agencies, which actually we 21
did on Tuesday, we were able to meet with the Corp in 22
Manhattan on Tuesday, but today we had some inner agency 23
meetings where federal agencies couldn't be present because 24
of the shutdown. 25
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We are not, FERC is not affected by the shutdown 1
at this moment but we could be if it continues. If Congress 2
doesn't decide what they want to do, all right. But with 3
that we try to work with other agencies as much as we can 4
and we ask those agencies to be cooperating with us on the 5
federal side and on the state side and sometimes on the 6
local side, all right. 7
The agencies hopefully will use the environmental 8
document that we prepare as their own environmental 9
documentation for the project. As I said earlier, the 10
primary purpose of this meeting tonight is to give you the 11
opportunity to comment on the project or on the 12
environmental issues that you would like to see covered in 13
the EIS. It will help us most if your comments are as 14
specific as possible regarding the potential impact and the 15
reasonable alternatives of this project. 16
Now with saying that, we understand that this is 17
early on in the process, okay. You guys may have attended 18
some open houses or some informational meetings that the 19
company has had. FERC attended the open houses. This is 20
now we are at the stage where we are going to scoping 21
meetings. The Company has only given us a little bit of 22
information, where they have given us basically two resource 23
reports, so there is not a lot to comment on besides the 24
information the Company gave you or the information found on 25
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the docket, but you guys live here, the Company has 1
hopefully talked to you by now, you know enough about the 2
project maybe you can give us some comments and will assist 3
us tonight. 4
It is also designed as you saw when you walked in 5
that Alconquin was here at 6 o'clock, we put that in the 6
Notice of Intent to have maps out and such and Alconquin has 7
staff here that was able, hopefully able to answer your 8
questions when you walked in, show you the route, show you 9
how it goes across your property if you are affected. 10
So let me go into the environmental review of 11
FERC and then after that I am going to give Alconquin an 12
opportunity to give you guys a demonstration of their 13
project. 14
The flowchart we have, now do you guys have the 15
NOI? Did you receive this? Does it look like this from 16
FERC did you receive this from us? Okay well in that NOI 17
let me show you, see if you were closer you could see this. 18
There is a flowchart, okay it looks like that it's the same 19
flowchart we have in the back of the room, okay when you 20
walked in by the signing table. 21
It kind of shows you what FERC had done to this 22
point and what the Company has done to this point and what's 23
coming after this okay. We have kind of a you are here type 24
of, well it's not in the NOI itself, but the you are here 25
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thing is in the back on that flowchart. Right now we are at 1
the scoping meeting so you can see what we have left to do, 2
okay if you follow this flowchart and you can see what the 3
company has left to do, all right. 4
With that I can give you that Algonquin entered 5
the pre-filing process on June 28, 2013 which began our 6
review of the facilities and what we refer to as the AIM 7
project. The purpose of the pre-filing process is to 8
encourage early involvement by all interested stakeholders. 9
The definition of a stakeholder is anybody that has interest 10
in this project, okay it doesn't have to cross your property 11
or you don't have to be abutting to this facility to have 12
interest in this project and you can be a stakeholder, okay. 13
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And also the pre-filing process allows for early 15
identification and resolution of issues okay. As of today 16
no formal application has been filed by Algonquin, okay 17
that's going to come they are telling us in February of next 18
year so we don't have a formal application yet filed with 19
them, okay. However, FERC and the other agencies have begun 20
the review of the project in this pre-filing process. 21
So on September 13th we issued this NOI to the 22
mailing list. The mailing list comes from the company and 23
then we add the mailers and such, the comment letters that 24
we get, we add mailing addresses to it, we add agencies to 25
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it so the mailing list is under constant revision so if you 1
didn't get this, which I think everyone will nod their head 2
that they did. I apologize about that but the mailing list 3
is under constant revision and we try to keep up with it. 4
So it initiated the scoping period, the scoping 5
or comment period will end on October l4, 2013 during our 6
review of the project we will assemble information from a 7
variety of sources including Algonquin, the public, other 8
state, local and federal agencies and our own independent 9
analysis and field work. We will analyze this information 10
to prepare a draft EIS that will be distributed to the 11
public for comment. 12
So the open houses that I talked about earlier 13
that the Company had during that time period what we did is 14
we would walk the site, we looked at a lot of the route by 15
driving back and forth, getting out on the right-of-way 16
itself. We flew it in a helicopter, okay, that was open 17
houses were a month or so ago and now at this point we are 18
holding scoping meetings and we have agency meetings this 19
week so the project keeps moving forward along with our 20
process keeps moving forward. 21
I will note that the October l4th date, that's 22
just the initial closing of the initial scoping period. 23
CEQ, Council Environment Quality requires us to open, under 24
NEPA they require you to open a scoping period and close it. 25
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For this project we chose thirty days, that's the initial 1
scoping comment period okay. At FERC we take comments from 2
the beginning of pre-filing the whole way up until they file 3
the application and then after they file the application we 4
continue to take public comments. 5
The reason why we open and close it so early in 6
this process is we want early comments so we can have a good 7
application by the Company. Once we have a good application 8
by the Company that provides us the opportunity to have a 9
better environmental document to put on the street for the 10
public review. 11
Okay so once scoping is finished, again there is 12
kind of two scoping periods, once scoping is finished our 13
next step is to begin to analyze the company's proposals and 14
the issues that have been identified during that scoping 15
period. This will include an examination of the proposed 16
facility locations as well as the alternative sites. 17
We will assess the project's effects on water 18
bodies, wetlands, vegetation, wildlife, endangered species, 19
culture resources, soils, land use, air quality, safety and 20
all state quarter comments that can in to that point. When 21
complete with that analysis, after the Company files the 22
application, we will prepare a draft EIS. The EIS is 23
usually pretty thick in nature, it's like a phonebook almost 24
it has a lot of information in it. That's our analysis of 25
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the company's application that's filed, okay. 1
And once we prepare that draft EIS, we will put a 2
forty-five day comment period on that, so you will receive 3
that and then you will have forty-five days to comment. All 4
state quarters have forty-five days to comment, okay. After 5
making any necessary changes or additional to the draft EIS, 6
a final EIS will be mailed to any interested parties. So 7
basically you will receive two documents, all right. 8
Note that the mailing list for this project is 9
pretty large, I can see that there is three of you here 10
tonight, but note that the mailing list is pretty large and 11
on the back of this NOI, on this form, you will see the 12
basically if you want a hard copy version of that EIS, you 13
need to tell us and send this form back. At this point you 14
are only going to receive a CD of that EIS because of the 15
mailing costs associated with those phonebook type of 16
documents, okay, but if you want a hard copy just let us 17
know, you just have to mail that form back in all right. 18
As I mentioned earlier the issuance of the NOI 19
opened the formal comment period that will close October 20
14th. The NOI encouraged you to submit your comments as 21
soon as possible. It gives us time to analyze and research 22
the issues, all right. Again you may have not had that much 23
to say, that specific to say at this point but anything you 24
say here tonight, or send in to us will be used in that. 25
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FERC does encourage electronic filing of comments 1
and all other documents, there's a small brochure actually 2
we don't have that I'm catching myself. On our website, 3
www.FERC.gov you can go to the e-filing link and we 4
encourage electronic filing of comments and you can see how 5
to file electronically. There are also directions on how to 6
do that in the NOI. 7
It's very important if you sent comments, either 8
electronically or traditionally by mail or if you handwrite 9
them here tonight they include our Docket Number, the Docket 10
Number for this Project is PF13-16. PF stands for 11
pre-filing. Once a Company files an application that number 12
will change to a CP number, it will stand for Certificate 13
Proceeding. All right, and I will note that it doesn't 14
matter how we receive your comments, yes we encourage 15
electronic filing because it is easier but you can mail 16
them, you can write them here tonight, you can give them 17
here to these microphones here in a second, all comments are 18
treated equally, it doesn't matter how they are given. 19
So I would like to explain the roles of the FERC 20
Commission and the FERC environmental staff. The 21
five-member FERC Commission is responsible for making a 22
determination of whether to issue a Certificate of Public 23
Convenience and Necessity to the Applicant. In this case it 24
is Algonquin, the EIS prepared by the FERC environmental 25
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staff which we are a part of, describes the project 1
facilities, and associated environmental impacts, 2
alternatives of project, mitigation to avoid or reduce 3
impacts and our conclusions and recommendations. 4
The EIS that you will receive is not a decisional 5
document. It is being prepared and disclosed to the public 6
and to the Commission, the environmental impact of 7
constructing, operating the proposed project. When it is 8
completed, the Commission will consider the environmental 9
information from the EIS along with the non-environmental 10
issues, such as engineering, markets and rates, in making 11
the decision to approve or deny Algonquin's request for a 12
certificate. 13
There is no review of FERC's decisions by the 14
President or Congress maintaining FERC's independence as a 15
regulatory agency and providing for fair, unbiased 16
decisions. So before we start taking your comments, I have 17
asked Algonquin to provide a brief overview of the proposed 18
project, Mr. Jim Luskay from Algonquin will do that for you 19
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MR. LUSKAY: Thank you Doug. Good evening 21
everyone. My name is Jim Luskay I am the regional project 22
director for Spectra Energy for the Northeastern United 23
States and thank you for the opportunity to address you this 24
evening. The real value for us in these sessions is to hear 25
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any comments or concerns you have on the project and also to 1
begin to mitigate any concerns you might have or answer any 2
questions that you have so right now I would like to go 3
through and spend a few minutes, tell you a little bit about 4
the project and certainly afterwards if you have any follow 5
up questions we would be happy to talk to you about it. I 6
hope that you find your time here tonight valuable as well 7
and again thank you for coming. 8
Spectra Energy has served customers and 9
communities in North America for more than a century. The 10
company develops and operates natural gas liquids and crude 11
oil pipelines. Additionally the company gathers and 12
processes natural gas, stores it and distributes it. 13
Spectra Energy's assets include Algonquin Transmission, LLC, 14
known as Algonquin, an interstate pipeline system that has 15
been operating safety for sixty years in this area. It 16
transports up to 2.44 billion cubic feet per day of natural 17
gas from major supply basins into New Jersey, New York and 18
throughout New England. 19
The Algonquin system included eleven hundred and 20
twenty miles of various size pipelines extending from 21
Lambertville, New Jersey to New York, Connecticut, Rhode 22
Island and Massachusetts. The system includes mainlines, 23
laterals and thirty-five miles of offshore pipeline from 24
Weymouth, Massachusetts to Beverly, Massachusetts referred 25
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to as a hub line. 1
The Algonquin system connects with Spectra 2
Energies Texas Eastern Transmission System in Lambertville, 3
New Jersey and also with the Maritimes and Northeast 4
Pipeline, majority owned by Spectra Energy in Spectra, 5
Massachusetts. By regulation, Algonquin is an open access 6
pipeline that must transport natural gas on a 7
non-discriminatory basis. 8
We will talk a little bit about the purpose and 9
need of the project. As Doug has mentioned, currently 10
Algonquin is participating in the Federal Regulatory Energy 11
Commission's pre-filing process for a proposed expansion 12
called the Algonquin Incremental Market Project or AIM 13
Project. The AIM Project will expand Algonquin's existing 14
pipeline system in order to transport and additional 342,000 15
dekatherms per day of natural gas from an inner-connected 16
Ramapo, New York into the Northeast. The increased capacity 17
offered by the AIM Project will allow abundant domestically 18
produced natural gas supplies to flow reliable into 19
Northeast markets. 20
These secure cost effective supplies will help 21
meet the region's current demand as well as future growth 22
for clean burning natural gas. Here in Connecticut, the AIM 23
Project is consistent with the objectives of the Connecticut 24
Department of Energy, environmental protections, 25
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comprehensive energy strategy that "proposed to make gas 1
available to as many as 300,000 additional Connecticut homes 2
and businesses." 3
In addition, the investment new natural gas 4
pipeline infrastructure such as the AIM Project will lead to 5
savings in energy cost. A report by the Concentric Energy 6
Advisors concludes that "the direct benefit of the New 7
England infrastructure is estimated to range from 8
approximately 243 to 315 million in annual cost savings." 9
Open seasons were held in September through 10
November of 2012 and in June of this year. An open season 11
is a process where potential customers express an interest 12
in participating in a pipeline expansion project that will 13
provide them with access to pipeline capacity. How much 14
they request is based on their projected needs. 15
The accumulation of all of the participating 16
customer requirements is what determines the scope of the 17
project and what facilities will need to be built to serve 18
their demand. As the development of the project evolves, 19
the volumes committed to the customers, by the customers and 20
resulting scope does change. Currently our scope is for the 21
previously mentioned 342,000 dekatherms per day and we have 22
executed precedent agreements with the following companies: 23
UIL Holdings which includes the location distribution 24
companies, Connecticut Natural Gas and Southern Natural Gas, 25
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Northeast Utilities which includes the local distribution 1
companies, Yankee Gas Services Company and Enstar Gas 2
Company, National Grid which includes the local distribution 3
companies, Narragansett, Colonial and Boston Gas, Nisource 4
Inc. which includes the local distribution company Bay State 5
Gas Company and we are also in the negotiations and about to 6
finalize our precedent agreement with the City of Norwich, 7
Department of Utilities as well. 8
As far as the schedule, in February and March of 9
this year we began contacting landowners and federal and 10
state and local officials to introduce the project and begin 11
to gather feedback on proposal facilities and locations. 12
With FERC's approval, we began the pre-filing process in 13
June as Doug had noted. From April through September we 14
hosted fifteen voluntary landowner informational meetings 15
and ten public open houses in New York, Connecticut, Rhode 16
Island and Massachusetts. 17
Meeting notifications were sent out to directly 18
impacted landowners and abutters. Contact was made with 19
local officials and for the public open houses, ads were 20
placed in local papers. This is the fourth such meeting 21
held in this area write around here. The meetings provide 22
an opportunity for people to learn more about the AIM 23
Project, let us know how the proposed facility may impact 24
them and to begin discussions on how impacts may be 25
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mitigated. 1
We expect to complete the FERC pre-filing process 2
and submit a Certificate Application to FERC in February of 3
2014. We hope that FERC will issue a Draft Environmental 4
Impact Statement in July of 2014 which will include the 5
comments received at these public scoping meetings and 6
throughout the scoping period. 7
We will ask FERC to approve the AIM Project by 8
January 2015. This will allow us to begin construction in 9
the second quarter of 2015 and construction will be 10
scheduled over a two year period in order to manage pipeline 11
outages. We anticipate placing the AIM Project fully into 12
service by November 1st of 2016. As I mentioned the scope 13
of the projects, I will go into a little bit more detail on 14
that. 15
As the AIM Project is moved forward we have 16
revised the facilities to align them with the needs of our 17
customers. And for the overall project, what we are looking 18
at is proposing to construct approximately 21.7 miles of 19
various segments of mainline, primarily by the removal and 20
replacement or looping of existing lines, including 1.2 21
miles of new pipeline to be installed beneath the Hudson 22
River in New York at one of two potential locations 23
utilizing the horizontal directional drill crossing method. 24
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We are also proposing to construct approximately 1
15.3 miles of lateral pipeline, either by removal and 2
replacement or looping of existing lines and expansion that 3
includes 4.8 miles of new 16 inch and 24 inch pipeline 4
laterals. We propose to have six new compressor units for a 5
total of 72,240 additional horsepower at five existing 6
compressor stations. 7
Construct three new meter stations and modify 8
existing meter stations. In an effort to minimize impact 9
the proposal facilities are located primarily within 10
existing rights-of-way or at existing Company facilities. 11
Currently along the entire proposed route, there are 440 12
directly impacted landowners, 928 abutting landowners and 13
351 landowners within half of a mile of existing compressor 14
stations. 15
Now more specifically the scope in the area that 16
we are talking about here today, um, which is essentially 17
the Eastern side of Connecticut into Rhode Island is to 18
construct 2.1 miles with thirty-six inch diameter pipeline 19
loop, placed parallel to the existing pipeline from the 20
existing Cromwell Compressor Station located in Cromwell, 21
Connecticut to the Connecticut River. 22
And for those that are near our pipeline, you 23
probably are aware of the facilities that are near you. In 24
general what we have in Eastern Connecticut, we have a main 25
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line and a loop, a 24 and a 30 that run through that 1
Northeastern part of the state and then we have our E system 2
that comes down off of that which comes down as 12, 16 all 3
the way down to 3 inch pipes, so we are going to be putting 4
an additional line in where we have the 24 and 30 loop 5
coming out of Cromwell up to the Connecticut River and then 6
the work on the E system is about 9.1 miles of our existing 7
6 inch we are going to replace it with 16 inch diameter 8
pipeline and that's in the towns of Lebanon, Franklin and 9
Norwich, Connecticut. 10
We will also be constructing about 1.4 miles of 11
12 inch diameter loop placed parallel to the existing 12
pipeline and the El system in town of Montville. We propose 13
to add compression and make modifications to the Cromwell 14
Compressor Station. Add compression and make modifications 15
to the Chaplain Compressor Station, located in Chaplain, 16
Connecticut and add compression and make modifications to 17
the Burillville Compressor Station which is located in 18
Burillville, Rhode Island. 19
We also propose to construct a new meter station 20
here in Norwich and make modifications to existing meter 21
stations in Connecticut. In closing, we would like to thank 22
the landowners, the public officials, regulatory agencies 23
and other interested parties who have offered their guidance 24
and input as we develop the AIM Project. 25
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We are certain that the information we received 1
throughout the pre-filing process will help us design, 2
construct and operate and efficient and environmentally 3
responsible expansion of the Algonquin system. Thank you 4
again for your time. Thank you, Doug. 5
MR. SIPE: Thank you Jim, after the meeting 6
concludes the maps are still out so if you guys have any 7
questions for Algonquin, their staff is here to answer some 8
questions for you, they will show you anything on their 9
maps. 10
So now is where I begin the important part, 11
really why we are all here tonight, okay, is to get some 12
comments from you guys or some questions from you guys. We 13
do have, this is being transcribed by a court reporter so 14
when you come up and ask the questions or give your comments 15
and it has to be in one of the mics. Please when you come 16
up, spell your name, state your name and spell your name for 17
the record and then you should be good to go. One thing, 18
also, this is being recorded like I said, there will be a 19
transcript of this meeting, okay, so it will be available 20
online in approximately probably ten days from the end of 21
this week I would say, okay. 22
Well due to the length of the speaker's list I 23
have I ask you to limit your comments, I'm just kidding by 24
the way. I don't have a speaker's list so at this point 25
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it's up to you guys if you guys want to get up here and ask 1
any questions or say anything on the record it is your time. 2
If you don't want to say anything on the record and you want 3
to talk to FERC's staff I can close the formal part and we 4
can just have a discussion it's up to you guys. 5
I see some discussion going on. The gentleman 6
here won't even look at me, see that. We understand that 7
you may not have prepared statements or prepared questions 8
but if you have anything you want to put on the record as 9
comments, that's totally fine. I understand this beautiful 10
room we are in here tonight is kind of intimidating right, 11
at least you are not on a stage, which that's what they put 12
out sometimes, on a stage that looks great right, the rest 13
of the people are down here. 14
All right guys you got your information what you need, going 15
once, going twice and again we are going to be here, it's 16
not like I'm going to close this and run out of the room. I 17
am a little hungry but I'll stick around for a little bit. 18
Okay, the formal part of this meeting will conclude. On 19
behalf of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission I would 20
like to thank you for coming tonight. Let the record show 21
that the AIM Project scoping meeting in Norwich, Connecticut 22
concluded at 7:35 p.m. Thanks. 23
(Whereupon at 7:35 p.m. the scoping meeting 24
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