wednesday, december 9, room a, 15000 livingston road,

Q. Grady Minor & Associates, P.A. Ph. 239-947-1144 Fax. 239-947-0375

3800 Via Del Rey EB 0005151 LB 0005151 LC 26000266

Bonita Springs, FL 34134 www.gradyminor.com

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NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING

Petitions PL20190002353 Estates Shopping Center Subdistrict (GMPA) and PL20190002354, Estates Shopping Center CPUD Amendment (PUDA)

A Neighborhood Information Meeting hosted by D. Wayne Arnold, AICP, of Q. Grady Minor and Associates, P.A. and Richard D. Yovanovich, Esq. of Coleman, Yovanovich & Koester, P.A., representing Richard D. Yovanovich as Successor Trustee (Applicant) will be held on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 5:30 pm at North Collier Regional Park Exhibit Hall – Room A, 15000 Livingston Road, Naples 34109. Individuals who would like to participate remotely or have questions or comments should contact Sharon Umpenhour, Senior Planning Technician with Q. Grady Minor & Associates, P.A. by email: [email protected], phone: 239-947-1144, or mail: 3800 Via Del Rey, Bonita Springs, FL 34134. Project information is posted online at www.gradyminor.com/planning.

Richard D. Yovanovich as Successor Trustee has submitted formal applications to Collier County, seeking approval of a Growth Management Plan (GMP) Amendment and a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Amendment. The GMP amendment proposes to amend the subdistrict to reduce the general commercial square footage to a maximum of 50,000 square feet and to allow public and semi-public uses in the subdistrict in addition to the general commercial uses. The companion PUD amendment proposes to amend the CPUD in order to modify the permitted uses and master plan, by reducing the maximum square footage of general commercial uses from 150,000 square feet to 50,000 square feet, adding public and semi-public land uses that will include uses such as County owned public facilities, animal sanctuary and education center and related uses, and the potential to have single family and multi-family residences. The master plan is being revised to accommodate the revised mix of land uses. The subject property is comprised of 40.62± acres located on the north side of Golden Gate Boulevard between 3rd Street N.W. and Wilson Boulevard North in Section 04, Township 49 South, Range 27 East, Collier County, Florida. The Neighborhood Information Meeting is for informational purposes only, it is not a public hearing.

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NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING

Petitions PL20190002353 Estates Shopping CenterSubdistrict (GMPA) and PL20190002354, Estates Shopping

Center CPUD Amendment (PUDA)

A Neighborhood Information Meeting hosted by D. Wayne Arnold, AICP, ofQ. Grady Minor and Associates, P.A. and Richard D. Yovanovich, Esq. ofColeman, Yovanovich & Koester, P.A., representing Richard D. Yovanovichas Successor Trustee (Applicant) will be held on Wednesday, December9, 2020, 5:30 pm at North Collier Regional Park Exhibit Hall – RoomA, 15000 Livingston Road, Naples 34109. Individuals who would like toparticipate remotely or have questions or comments should contact SharonUmpenhour, Senior Planning Technician with Q. Grady Minor & Associates,P.A. by email: [email protected], phone: 239-947-1144, or mail:3800 Via Del Rey, Bonita Springs, FL 34134. Project information is postedonline at www.gradyminor.com/planning.

Richard D. Yovanovich as Successor Trustee has submitted formalapplications to Collier County, seeking approval of a Growth ManagementPlan (GMP)Amendment andaPlannedUnit Development (PUD)Amendment.The GMP amendment proposes to amend the subdistrict to reduce thegeneral commercial square footage to a maximum of 50,000 square feetand to allow public and semi-public uses in the subdistrict in addition to thegeneral commercial uses. The companion PUD amendment proposes toamend the CPUD in order to modify the permitted uses and master plan,by reducing the maximum square footage of general commercial uses from150,000 square feet to 50,000 square feet, adding public and semi-publicland uses that will include uses such as County owned public facilities,animal sanctuary and education center and related uses, and the potentialto have single family and multi-family residences. The master plan is beingrevised to accommodate the revised mix of land uses.

The subject property is comprised of 40.62± acres located on the north sideof Golden Gate Boulevard between 3rd Street N.W. and Wilson BoulevardNorth in Section 04, Township 49 South, Range 27 East, Collier County,Florida.

The Neighborhood Information Meeting is for informational purposes, it is

not a public hearing.

Randall Curve MPUD and Estates Shopping Center December 9, 2020 NIM - Zoom Participants

First Name Last Name Email Registration Time Approval StatusJill Rosenfeld [email protected] 12/9/2020 18:25 approvedDavid Dlugolenski [email protected] 12/9/2020 17:31 approvedAdam Brown [email protected] 12/9/2020 17:31 approvedQuincy Jones [email protected] 12/9/2020 17:31 approvedRobert Anderson [email protected] 12/9/2020 17:28 approvedMaggie Kemp [email protected] 12/9/2020 17:06 approvedMichele Vaughan [email protected] 12/9/2020 17:01 approvedJillian Shaw [email protected] 12/9/2020 16:59 approvedCollin Johnson [email protected] 12/9/2020 16:42 approvedTy Thrasher [email protected] 12/9/2020 16:01 approvedCorby Schmidt [email protected] 12/9/2020 14:03 approvedBilly Chambers [email protected] 12/9/2020 12:06 approvedDawna Livingstone [email protected] 12/9/2020 10:02 approvedTim Ross [email protected] 12/8/2020 23:22 approvedSusan Ruesink [email protected] 12/8/2020 18:04 approvedMike Dalbey [email protected] 12/8/2020 16:29 approvedPeter Brake [email protected] 12/8/2020 16:19 approvedDiane Lynch [email protected] 12/8/2020 16:08 approvedScott Baxter [email protected] 12/7/2020 20:57 approvedMary Bachelor [email protected] 12/7/2020 20:04 approvedhunter harrison [email protected] 12/7/2020 19:54 approvedLinnea Chasse [email protected] 12/7/2020 15:55 approvedchristopher davis [email protected] 12/7/2020 15:11 approvedRobert Crown [email protected] 12/7/2020 13:46 approvedRichard Eckstein [email protected] 12/7/2020 13:30 approvedBarbara Pezzuto [email protected] 12/7/2020 12:30 approvedJ K [email protected] 12/7/2020 12:25 approvedaaron zwiefel [email protected] 12/7/2020 12:18 approvedC Kaufman [email protected] 12/7/2020 12:17 approvedBryan Bo [email protected] 11/26/2020 8:28 approvedAnita Jenkins [email protected] 11/24/2020 17:12 approvedSharon Umpenhour [email protected] 11/24/2020 16:00 cancelled by self

Petitions:PL20190002353, Estates Shopping Center Subdistrict Plan Amendment and;PL20190002354, Estates Shopping Center CPUD Amendment December 9, 2020 Neighborhood Information Meeting (NIM)

• Richard Yovanovich, as trustee and not individually – Applicant

• Richard D. Yovanovich, Esq., Land Use Attorney – Coleman, Yovanovich & Koester, P.A.

• D. Wayne Arnold, AICP, Professional Planner – Q. Grady Minor & Associates, P.A.

• Mark Minor, P.E., Professional Planner – Q. Grady Minor & Associates, P.A.

• James M. Banks, PE, Traffic Engineer – JMB Transportation Engineering, Inc.

• Marco A. Espinar, Environmental Planning/Biologist – Collier Environmental Consultants, Inc.

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Project Team

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Project Location Map

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Area Location MapRandall Curve

MPUD and Immokalee

Road/4th St. N.E. Mixed Use Subdistrict

Estates Shopping Center CPUD and Estates Shopping

Center Commercial Subdistrict

Future Land Use (FLU): Estates Shopping Center Subdistrict

Existing Zoning: Estates Shopping Center CPUD

Proposed Zoning: Estates Shopping Center CPUD

Project Acreage: 40.62+/- acres

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Project Information

• The Golden Gate Estates Area Master Plan amendment proposes to revise theEstates Shopping Center Subdistrict in order to modify the permitted land uses andoperation standards within the Subdistrict and to revise the conceptual plan for theSubdistrict

• Amend the CPUD in order to modify the permitted uses and master plan, byreducing the maximum square footage of general commercial uses from 150,000square feet to 50,000 square feet, adding public and semi-public land uses that willinclude County owned public facilities, animal sanctuary and education center andrelated uses, and the potential to have residences. The master plan is being revisedto accommodate the revised mix of land uses.

• The proposed general commercial uses will be limited only to that portion of theCPUD that is located east of 1st Street N.W.

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Proposed Request

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Proposed Public Uses• Administration of urban planning and community and rural development (Group 9532)• Essential services• Essential service personnel housing (not to exceed 30 units, subject to development standards for

RMF-6 Zoning District of the LDC)• General government services

Groups 9111 – Executive offices9121 – Legislative bodies9131 – Executive and legislative offices combined9199 – General government, not elsewhere classified9229 – Public order and safety, not elsewhere classified9311 – Public finance, taxation, and monetary policy

• Multi-Family dwelling units (not to exceed a maximum of 30 units)• Land, mineral, wildlife, and forest conservation (Group 9512)• Libraries (Group 8231)• Parks and recreational uses• Sheriff’s office (Group 9221)• Single family dwelling units (per E, Estates Development Standards in the LDC, not to exceed a

maximum of 4 units)• Veterans affair office (Group 9451)

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Proposed Semi-Public Uses• Animal services center• Animal shelters (Group 0752)• Arboreta and botanical or zoological gardens (Group 8422)• Exhibition operation (Group 7999)• Noncommercial research organizations (Group 8733)• Single family dwelling units (per E, Estates Development Standards in the

LDC, not to exceed 8 units. Existing residential lots may be replatted andreconfigured and any existing platted non-conforming lots may be replattedwith the same non-conforming lot area.)

• Veterinary clinic, services (Group 0742)• Wildlife refuge and sanctuary• Zoological attractions

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Approved Subdistrict Conceptual Plan

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Proposed Subdistrict Conceptual Plan

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Approved CPUD Master Plan

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Proposed CPUD Master Plan

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ConclusionDocuments and information can be found online:

• Gradyminor.com/Planning• Collier County GMD Public Portal: cvportal.colliergov.net/cityviewweb

Next Steps

• Hearing sign(s) posted on property advertising Planning Commission (CCPC) and Board of County Commissioner (BCC) hearing dates.

• CCPC – TBD• BCC - TBD

Contact:

• Q. Grady Minor & Associates, P.A.: Sharon Umpenhour, Senior Planning Technician; [email protected] or 239.947.1144 extension 1249

• Collier County:PUDA - James Sabo, AICP, Principal Planner; [email protected] or 239.252.2708GMPA - Corby Schmidt, AICP, Principal Planner; [email protected] or 239.252.2944

mailto:[email protected]



Estates Shopping Center GMPA and CPUDA (PL20190002353 and PL20190002354) and Immokalee Road/4th Street N.E. Mixed Use Subdistrict and Randall Curve

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Richard Yovanovich: You all, we’re gonna go ahead, and get started. My name is Rich

Yovanovich, and I am the Attorney representing, Crown Management who is the current owner and developer of the neighbor – the Estates Shopping Center piece of property which is at the corner of Golden Gate Boulevard and Wilson Boulevard, and the purchase – the contract purchaser of the roughly 50-acre parcel of property that’s at the Randall – Northside of – of Immokalee Road at the Randall Curve piece of property that’s currently owned by the County.

We’re here tonight to do, the County required neighborhood

information meeting that is part of the process for doing a growth management plan amendment and for a rezone of a parcel of property. We are – we are in the process of amending the current Estates Shopping Center growth management plan subdistrict, and the, PUD, planned unit development zoning district that is on that piece of property. And we’ll go through in the details of what we’re doing there.

Related to those two petitions is a growth management plan

amendment for the 50 acres owned by the County. The parcel will be rezoned to planned unit development well. A condition of our acquiring the property is the successful rezone of the County property and the successful rezone of the property currently known as the Estates Shopping Center. Therefore, if we are unsuccessful either of those, basically, the land will stay as it is currently zoned, uh.

As part of the neighborhood information meeting process, we are

recording the – we record the meeting. We are having some Zoom participants. So, I – I – I tend to pace. So, if I am– Sharon will bring me back in front of this camera, so there’ll be Zoom participants. We’re gonna – we’re gonna go over both petitions, and then we’re gonna open up for questions or comments. When you do speak if you come up to the microphone so we can catch the recording.

Also, you’re not required to, but the Planning Commissioners prefer if you would identify yourself for the record as you – you could be generic and say I’m a resident of Golden Gate Estates near the Estates Shopping Center or I’m a resident of Golden Gate Estates near the Randall Curve property if you don’t want to say your name. But they – they want to know who’s commenting and their relationship to the proposed project so they – they can better


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understand the context of people’s comments. We will try to always say for the record, Rich Yovanovich speaking, and Wayne Arnold will – will do the same for himself. Um, they just wanna know who’s talking so they – they can get a better, understanding. We have – sorry – I want to introduce our team, and then we have some County Representatives here. Actually, when I initially spoke, I’m technically the Trustee that owns the property. I don’t really own the property, but it’s titled in my name, uh. So, I’m – I’m the Applicant on all of these petitions, uh. I’m also the Land Use Attorney on this. Wayne Arnold with GradyMinor is our Professional Planner. His boss is Sharon. He’s been receiving all the correspondence with Sharon. If you have any questions, I’m sure your point of contact will be Sharon or Wayne. But if you have any questions after this meeting, you can contact either of them. Mark Minor’s not here, but he’s a Civil Engineer on the project. Jim Banks is our Transportation Consultant, and Marco Espinar is our Environmental Consultant. We didn’t bring Marco into this meeting because I don’t know that there are really any environmental issues related to either of the petitions. But if, you know, some questions come up, we’ll get back to you on any of those – those questions. As I have – this is – this is the roughly, 60 acres that’s the Estate –

Sharon Umpenhour: Forty. Richard Yovanovich: Forty acres, sorry. The 40 acres that’s the Estates Shopping Center

property at the corner of Wilson Boulevard and Golden Gate Boulevard, and the top portion is the yellow. That’s the roughly 50 acres that we have under contract with the County, uh. As I mentioned, they’re – they’re related petitions, and I’ve already forgotten to introduce Nancy Gundlach who is a Professional Planner on – which one are you? Which one’s yours, Nancy?

Nancy: I’m on the Randall Curve. Richard Yovanovich: She’s – she’s the planner for the Randall Curve property, and James

Sabo is on Estates Shopping Center, and I think participating by Zoom is Corby Schmitt. Is he on the Zoom?

Female Speaker: Yes, yes.


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Wayne Arnold: And Anita Jenkins. Richard Yovanovich: He – he – who else? Anita Jenkins: And Anita Jenkins. Richard Yovanovich: And Anita Jenkins are both – they are – they are handling the growth

management plan amendments, and Anita actually supervises both the, growth management plan staff which is Corby, and the planning staff which is, Nancy and James. If you have questions of any of the County Representatives, they’re – they’re – they’re readily available. You know, I’m sure they have business cards, and if they don’t, they’ll give you their email addresses. And you can, you can contact them with any – any questions you may have, uh.

We’re pretty informal. Really what we wanna do is tell you what we have planned with the petitions and then we wanna get your input. We also have representatives from Shy Wolf, who is, gonna be involved in the Estates Shopping Center property. So, if questions come up regarding Shy Wolf, those questions can be answered. I’m gonna turn it over to Wayne to go over the two petitions, and then we’ll answer any questions you may have.

Wayne Arnold: Thank you, Rich. So, sure. Thank you. I’m Wayne Arnold as Rich

said and here representing both petitions, and there are a total of four. They’re, growth management plan amendment and a rezoning application –

Wayne: – for both applications on both sides. So, what we’re gonna do is

go through as Rich said both applications together, and then we’ll take questions. We just thought it’d be more efficient than to break and have questions and answers on one and then the other. So, hope you indulge us if you’re here for one or the other as you’re gonna hear a little bit about both because as Rich mentioned they are related.

So, the property for the Estates Shopping Center which I’ll go

through first is zoned planned unit development. We’re amending that planned unit development. It’s also part of the Estates Shopping Center subdistrict which is growth management category. We’re amending that as well. And it’s – the – the easiest way to summarize our changes is that we are – it’s not – we are –essentially the Estates Shopping Center was approved for 150,000 square feet of


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commercial uses. It also required the first commercial use was going to be the grocery store.

We are amending that request to reduce the commercial square

footage to 50,000 square feet of general commercial type uses, and then we’re also making provisions for government uses. A whole series of those governmental uses because Collier County will end up with a – a nominal, 10-acre parcel out of the 40-acre piece. And then we’ve made provisions for Shy Wolf and its educational programming and then sanctuary use to be on the Western-most parcel. So, we’ve had to amend the growth management plan language to accommodate those changes as well as our zoning, which lists a very detailed, uses.

So, a couple things, we’ve created two new districts out of here, the

commercial district is pretty self-evident. It’s going to be right at the hard corner of Wilson and Golden Gate. But the Shy Wolf sanctuary parcel that we’re calling it, we’re calling it a semi-public use. And we’re going back and forth with staff so we may change that terminology, but it allows things like we’ve talked about, animal shelters, arboreta, exhibitions, their educational facilities.

We’ve made provisions for them to have single-family residential

and dormitory use because they are an educational facility, and they’re incorporation with Florida Gulf Coast or other universities that come and do some research on the animals. So, there will be provisions made for that residential component, that will probably initially utilize the single-family structures on the site for office space and some of the other uses that they have that eventually those, um, would be significantly modified, and they have a true education center established, and – and other structures.

But for now, we’ve made provisions for them to have up to eight

dwelling units on that property. The County’s parcel which will be the – [inaudible] [00:09:12]. Sorry about that, folks. It’s a little slow, but the County’s public uses, and I know there’s information circulating out there in the Estates about this. So, in the – the growth management plan, then we’ve made a provision for a total of 50 dwelling units. We haven’t been specific as to whether or not those are single-family or multi-family. The County asked us to make provisions for up to 30 units on the 10-acre parcel that they’re obtaining as part of this deal.

So, in addition to all the administrative, governmental type facilities


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that we’ve listed here by standard industrial classification codes, we’ve also made provisions for there to be up to 30 multi-family units. The reality is because we have well and septic here, I don’t think it’s realistic that the County’s going to achieve 30 multi-family units on this parcel. We were asked to accommodate that as part of the request; so, we have. I know that that’s been some discussion out there about that, and we’ll be happy to hear those comments.

But, again, we’ve also made provisions for single-family on the

same parcel because should this deal not go forward, Crown Management that would control it, would then have the option to continue to do single-family that’s permitted by right today. So, it says in our language that the single-family would be subject to the state’s zoning district standards. So, you get what you could have today.

So, the master plan that was approved as part of this growth

management plan is the exhibit that’s on the screen. It identified all – a large development area and then areas for utility plant site as well as some lights and buffers. So, we are modifying that. The new subdistrict is, generic. This would be an exhibit to the growth management plan which you can see that we have three separate parcels identified as commercial, public, and semi-public. We depict the access points that we’re providing for the project on the master plan as well.

The zoning master plan is a little bit more detailed than we showed

on the growth management plan exhibit. This again is being modified to take out some of the detail in the footprints that were shown as future buildings on there. It’s going to be revised to be a little bit more generic, but again, the preserve buffer areas get depicted on here. The access aspects are depicted. And again, we’ve identified which parcels would be used for public, semi-public, or the commercial uses that are going to be retained.

So, where we are in the process, we submitted a few months ago.

We’ve been through a couple rounds of reviews. We’re – we’re required to hold this neighborhood information meeting prior to going to public hearings. So, we don’t have public hearings scheduled yet. But what will happen in this process, it’s a two-step process; we’ll have a transmittal process with the growth management plan assuming that the Board endorses it. They will take both of these, and they’ll say, “We’re ready to transmit the proposed changes.”


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They’ll go to the Department of Economic Opportunity, DEO at the

State of Florida. The state gets 30 days to review those changes to determine if there are any state impacts or regional impacts, doubtful that they will weigh in on this, but it’s a part of the process we have to go through. And then after that process, we would then come back in the PUD document, the zoning document would come together with the comp plan amendment. And the Planning Commission would again hear it together, and then that would then be heard by the Board of County Commissioners for final action.

And our goal here is that all four of these applications will come

together and be heard at the same Planning Commission and Board of County Commissioner meeting since they’re interrelated. We think it makes more sense to be able to tell the whole story and deal with them in one – one time. So, that’s our goal. We don’t have hearing dates established yet, but our goal is to be through the process by June of 2021 which gets us there by – the Board takes a summer recess in July and August. So, our goal is to be completed in this process in June, no later than just next year.

So, we think that’s a doable process although we don’t have hearing

dates scheduled yet. The round of comments we got from staff were down to some fairly, I think, minor issues that are pretty easy to deal with. So, in a nutshell, that’s – that’s what we’re hoping to achieve, and with that, I’m gonna wrap up this presentation. And, Sharon, if you can bring up the Randall Curve as we’re calling it? It’s really the County’s property that’s at the corner of Randall/4th Street Northeast and Immokalee Road.

So, I’m gonna spend a few minutes talking about that process as

well. Again, it’s the same team so I’m not gonna through that information. Again, the location at – it’s – everybody calls this the Randall Curve property that’s been around a long time, so. We actually have a Randall Curve PUD that’s part of the process, but our subdistrict for the comp plans that – for the mockup of 4th Street – 4th East subdistrict. Again, this property today is zoned the Estates. It does not have zoning on it that would allow the mixed-use project we’re proposing.

It’s also part of the rural Golden Gate Estates. Comp plan does not

make provisions for this to be a commercial mixed-use project that we’re proposing. So, we’ve submitted, a new subdistrict that makes provisions for there to be up to 400 residential units on this property


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as well as 150,000 square feet of commercial uses. I’m gonna show you the proposed master plan for the Randall –

Sharon Umpenhour: Go back, go back one. There you go. Wayne: – though this is the language that talks about our request. And a

couple significant things I’ll talk about is that we’ve made provisions for a large variety of retail uses. I know that there have been several discussions with members of the Estates Civic Association and other, community residents that have talked about the need for services out in this part of the community. So, we’ve made a very broad list of uses that largely are C-4 type uses I would say of the maximum intensity.

There could be a couple of others depending on how the County

categorizes those that would be C-5 because we’ve made provisions for there to be potential large format retailer or big box store whether that could be a Lowe’s, a Home Depot, a Costco. We’ve made provisions for all of those as part of our request. It doesn’t mean that those are going to be necessarily located there, but we’ve made provisions for them. We also have provisions there for the other types of uses we know people desire which are restaurants and offices and dental offices and things of that nature.

So, I would, you know, just to – to know that this is a mixed-use

project, Sharon’s there’s something on my screen. It’s – it’s some sort of system update. I don’t know how to remove that. Let’s take a pause for a moment. Thank you.

So, this is a proposed master plan that we’ve created for what’s

called the Randall Curve PUD. It’s the – this makes use, we have designated areas that are preserve, residential and commercial. C stands for commercial; the R is for residential. Preserve is labeled as such. It is conceptual, but it identifies two primary access aspects on Immokalee Road. We also have a shared access point with the properties to the North that’s going through a similar process that we’re in today.

They’re a little bit ahead of us. They’ve had their transmittal of the

comp plan portion of their property to the State of Florida. So, we’re – we’re on track to being a couple months behind them. But the residential is sorta central to the site. We have our preserve area that separates us from the 4th Street residential. We have water management system that we have, and we’ve proposed no vehicular


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access to 4th Street Northeast. We would obviously make provisions for pedestrians and bicyclists to enter the site, but we prohibited vehicular traffic from accessing 4th. And we know that was an issue early on.

When the County was looking at developing this themselves and

we’ve heard that that’s an issue, and we were asked on the property to the North also to remove any access to 4th Street which they have done as well. But you can see on this particular property that the uniqueness of this is when you go out there today, the – at the hard corner of 4th and Immokalee Road, that area’s all the dry detention system for the County that was put in to satisfy the Immokalee Road widening project.

So, that parcel is part of the acquisition. We have to take into

consideration all of the drainage. So, we are going to have a larger system of either lake or dry detention to accommodate their five acres that they need today as well as the future improvements that they’re planning to make on Randall Boulevard. We have to accommodate some of the additional drainage for them as well in addition to our drainage. So, that’s been one of the unique challenges here, but nonetheless, we’ve accommodated. We can work around that, and we think this could be a very good, viable project.

So, again, if we’re in the same process that I just described for you

for the other Estates property which was we’re going to have the comp plan transmittal process. We going to have a PUD adoption at the same time that the comp plan would be adopted. And as Rich said, these are kinda bundle projects. One doesn’t happen without the other with the way that this has been structured. Again, no hearing dates have been established, but we are working toward that same June deadline I just described.

And hopefully, we can, be there, and like I said before, we’re gonna

take questions tonight. If you think of something after we leave here tonight, you’d like to communicate, Sharon has some cards at the back table. It’s easier to email or call her for information. We’re happy to share the presentation tonight with anybody who desires it.

All the information’s available on the County’s website through CityView, or if you don’t feel comfortable using that system, Sharon would be more than happy to provide any of the comp plan information as public record or any of the zoning information to you as well.


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So, Rich, I don’t know if I left anything out, but I’m – I’m happy to

answer questions. I will say one thing that one of the changes we did make on Estates that I failed to mention, we did even though we reduced the intensity of commercial from 150,000 – 50,000 square feet, we did add back end-use that we didn’t have previously, and those were medical offices.

We made provisions for medical offices and veterinary clinics that were something that was, desired by some folks who’ve been interested in the Estates. So, we’ve added those uses, and we think they’re pretty benign uses overall and probably things that anybody who lives in that part of the community would probably utilize. So, with that, I’m gonna stop, and we’re gonna – do you wanna take the Zoom callers first, Rich?

Richard Yovanovich: Let’s take people that are here first, and then, yeah. Wayne: Do the audience, okay, so, anybody who’d like to speak as Rich

mentioned, you don’t have to give us your name if you don’t feel comfortable, but the Planning Commission wants to know if you’re part of our team’s feed or if you’re a resident. So, if you feel comfortable saying you’re a resident that way at least when the transcript gets created, they realize it’s not Wayne or Rich or Sharon or Jim talking, so. Anybody with questions, please, feel free to come up and use the microphone. We can sanitize it between its use, and –yes, ma’am. Come on up.

Phyllis: Phyllis Lit – Phyllis Litka, the 2nd Street Northeast, um, all of this

involves even though I live out that way on part of the curve, um, I’d like to know, the low-income housing that you wanna put in on 10 acres, that’s like four of my neighbors, how are you going to put 30 units? And when you say low-income, what are we talking?

Wayne: Well, that – the low-income reference is not a term we use. Our

language says essential service personnel that’s actually in the document, and –

Phyllis: Okay, on – on my form, that’s what it says [inaudible] [00:21:23]. Wayne: – and I – I don’t know that that’s our letter that said affordable

housing. Richard Yovanovich: Can I see that? Do you mind?


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Phyllis: Sure, yeah, absolutely. Wayne: Our language says essential service personnel, and that’s a term that

the County’s recently started using to refer to first responders, teachers, nurses, county employees, people like that, who are essential service personnel in our community that seem to be priced out – out of the housing market.

Phyllis: Yeah, I can understand that. Wayne: As I mentioned before, the 30 units is the number that the County

asked us to provide. If it’s going to be multi-family housing, I – our – our opinion is just doesn’t work because of the septic system requirements.

Phyllis: Right. Wayne: So, I don’t know that the County realistically is going to achieve 30

of those units in the – in the configuration of multi-family, but again, Rich, I don’t know you wanna add any more. But we were asked to include it; so, we did.

Richard Yovanovich: Yeah. I – a – as part of this process, obviously – yeah, you can sit

right there. I’m sorry. As – as part of this process, obviously, we – we had to coordinate with the County because they’re getting the 10 acres, and we – we basically said, “What would you like us to include on your property?”

So, the County gave us their list of requested uses. I have been doing this for a while so I kinda figured when the County said they wanted to put 30 units on a 10-acre piece of property that basically can have four under the current state zoning, I thought that was, gonna meet some resistance from the residents of the Estates.

And I said, “I’m happy to include it, but you need to be at the neighborhood information meeting to defend it.” And, I don’t think there’s anybody here from the County to address that. I don’t think Nancy or James are – are – are – they were not the people I spoke to, uh. So, the – the – Wayne is correct. What you received, eh – we are not proposing low-income housing. I don’t know who sent that out. We are – we are proposing essential service personnel – the


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County’s proposing essential service personnel housing, which is exactly what Wayne says, firefighters, teachers. But the number of units and the request for that use came from Collier County, uh. I think Commissioner McDaniels was on his way to this meeting. I just texted him to find out where he is, but he’s – he is on his way. If he doesn’t make it here before we get gone, I’m sure he’ll read the record. But I – I think there’s others here who also, have concerns about that use. So, we will obviously communicate that to County staff and, will follow their direction whether to remove that, um, request or not. But obviously, I know that’s – I knew that was gonna be an issue before I even submitted the document, so, with any more questions?

Wayne: This is Wayne. Can I just read you the language that’s actually in

the PUD document under public use? It says, “Essential service personnel housing not to exceed 30 units subject to develop standards for RM-6 zoning which would be the land development code.” So, that is what’s in the actual document. There’s also a provision for there to be multi-family units which was meant to implement that essential service personnel housing. But there are as Rich mentioned, there’s also a provision in there for single-family homes which is what could be there on that [inaudible – crosstalk] [00:24:53].

Richard Yovanovich: Right, and – and Tim’s okay. Tim and I had a conversation about

this very issue twice, and – and I told him the reason we put single-family houses in there is if for some reason Shy Wolf does not close on their piece of property or the County decides they wanna develop it as the common state lots, we just wanted that as – as – as also an option. So, I mean, that clearly Tim would have an issue with that. I hope nobody else has an issue with that piece.

Wayne: Thank you, any other comments, or questions? Tim: Tim Wallen, 111, 3rd Street Northwest, uh. We’re adjacent to the

40-acre, uh. As you guys know, we’ve been involved with this for 12 years now. So, when we started talking with Bob and, Shy Wolf and about the swap of the property, it seemed like, it was something real good for everybody in the community, for both sides, um. Again, the multi-unit, it would have to be low-income because they’re gonna be like 200 square feet if they put ‘em there.

Um, you know, when we first started doing this, we discussed


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services from the County whether it be post office, police substation, some, you know, tag agency. I know it’s right across the street right now or some sorta County presence that – that’s needed out here, not housing. Housing just seems really stupid. The intersection is already stressed. Anybody that comes from the East traveling West to go there in the – to go to work in the morning, it – it’s already a nightmare trying to get through Wilson Boulevard. To put all those cars and all that right there is a huge problem, again, septic and water. I think everyone else is – everybody’s probably pretty comfortable with, but, you know, for the record, the – the multi – the multi-housing is – is – is definitely a – a killer.

Male Speaker: Okay. Male Speaker: You know, it’s if – so I can just put it on the record, can I just get a

show of hands how many people are opposed to putting that multi-family on that piece of property.

Male Speaker: So, I’m just gonna count the number of – one, two, three – Female Speaker: All of us. Female Speaker: Eleven. Female Speaker: So, [inaudible – crosstalk]. Male Speaker: So, I would say, if there’s 11 – there’s 11 people present, and I think

every one of them are not related to our team or Shy Wolf. So, I would say that pretty much everybody, is opposed to that. I just wanna – I just wanna put that on the record. So, both whoever reads the transcript knows so you all don’t have to come up and repeat yourselves. Or you’re welcome to come up anytime you want, but I just wanted to save some people some effort. Any other questions, comments before we go to people on Zoom?

Jeff Curl: Yeah, for the record, Jeff Curl, um. I live actually off Desoto, but I

do traverse Wilson and Golden Gate Boulevard quite a bit. I’m just wondering if the County has any intentions of doing rotaries at Wilson/Golden Gate Boulevard.

That seems to be there brand-new, um, FDOT experiment and then how you guys would see traffic West of this intersection, and this


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may be more of a Jim question with maybe left turns, right turns coming out, signals expansions, turn lanes, and maybe a U-turn or two through the median. Um, I’m assuming you – you’re gonna remember from your time out there, too, Jim, um, that to the previous gentleman’s point that traffic through there at rush hour’s an absolute nightmare.

Jim Banks: Yeah, right now, the only traffic signal’s – Jim: Well, my bill is still extra, but okay. Jeff: You didn’t sanitize this [inaudible – crosstalk] [00:29:06]. Jim: Maybe I can step way back here. Jeff: I’m gonna get the COVID. Jim: so, anyhow, to answer Jeff’s question, you know, obviously, the

intersection at Wilson and Golden Gate is currently signalized – Jeff: Right. Jim: – there’s not enough separation between the E-western-most

boundary of the property which is on 3rd Street to have a traffic light at that location. So, we will not have another traffic light service development, but that is one of the reasons that the commercial is in the corner of that – of that intersection now. And the lower intense uses are further to the West which will – it’s our interpretation will not warrant a traffic signal, at those – at those intersections.

But, yes, when we’re going to the site development phase, we’re gonna have to look at extending some of those left-turn lanes to provide for U-turns and that type of thing, mostly for the commercial uses. So, there will be some upgrades there in that general vicinity to accommodate additional turning moves they’re gonna – but I do wanna point out that what is being proposed today is actually gonna generate substantially less traffic than what was previously approved. So, with this application, traffic demands from this 40 acres is going to be substantially reduced versus if it’s developed then with the 150,000.

Jeff: So, this is gonna dovetail into our previous –


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Sharon: Can you guys hold on a second? Um, Jeremy, the Zoom participants

aren’t able to hear Jim. [Crosstalk] Jim: Okay. Sharon: Go ahead. Jeff: So, that also brings back to your point about multi-family and

increasing the density at that site with residential, I think that’d be another, you know, point raised when we [inaudible – crosstalk] [00:30:51].

Jim: Well, I – I would submit to you that I don’t think all the – all the

uses that are being proposed could all fit on the 40 acres so some things gotta give.

Jeff: Yeah, and I think I’m honed in on that essential service kind of the

boondoggle that we keep talking about here tonight, um. Jeff: No, I just – the County’s trending, eh – again, FDOT getting a pave-

type deal with rotaries and things like that to – to push traffic through quickly, you’re talking about two lights that are fairly close together, um. And so, yeah, perhaps they’re gonna keep that sequencing with each directional rush hour push, morning and at night, but, uh. I didn’t know if there were any preliminary discussions.

Jim: As far as I know, they’ve got no plans to put a traffic circle there at

that intersection. I don’t even think they have the right of way to do it, um.

Jeff: I wouldn’t think with E’s there on the corner either, but. Jim: Right, so, but not – my interpretation is we will not see a round-

about at that intersection. Jeff: Okay. All right, thank you, gentlemen. Male Speaker: Thank you, Jeff. Wayne: So, I guess without moving –


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Rich: Anybody else here that wants – yes, sir, come on up. Female Speaker: Wayne? Wayne: Yeah, I have sanitized the microphone [inaudible] getting COVID. Sharon: Sorry. I’ve already had it, so I don’t have to worry about it. [Crosstalk] Dave: My name is, Dave Meffin, um, 127th Street Northwest, and, so, even

though it’s not right next to my neighborhood, it’s pretty close. And, I just, you know, I – I agree with this gentleman down here, but, um. I just wanna know anybody in our neighborhood who would be in favor of that. I mean, if you can find 10 people, I’d be happy.

Wayne: You’re speaking about this essential service housing? Dave: Yes. Wayne: Okay. I – I think as Rich said, the show of hands was pretty

unanimous that, those in attendance certainly aren’t supportive – Dave: I mean, if we had more time, and we could, you know, word of

mouth a little more, we could get a thousand people in here; a thousand hands would be up, so.

Wayne: Well, I – I have a little experience on this use of property, and I know

you can get a lot of people out, right, sir? So, I – we – you know, we understand that will communicate to the County the, uh – the, unanimous opposition for those who are here to – including that multi-family housing, and I’m sure from watching James write that down right now, so. I’m sure that will be communicated to the powers that be, the County. Anybody else, anybody else here who wants to come up and speak before we go to those on Zoom?

Laura: Hi, my name is Laura, and I’m a resident of the Estates. And, okay,

that 10 acres, I’m like, “Why not make it a park? Why not make it something fun? And if you need to add a post office to it, you know, 10 acres is a good size, but we don’t really have enough free area out on the Estates for, you know, like kids’ playgrounds, stuff like that. They have plenty of it in the city. And so, I’m like, “Forget about that. Put it on that little 4th Street there. Well, we don’t wanna it there either, so, the essential service.” So, I’m just wanna make


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sure that my vote is no, and I’m just emphasizing that. Wayne: Okay, and just for you know to ma’am, this is Wayne Arnold for the

record, but we include parks as one of the uses for the County parcel. It’s just –

Laura: Okay. Oh – so, who decides once – Wayne: The County Commission ultimately will decide what use it would

be there, but I think it’s pretty clear tonight the direction it’s headed with regard to the housing.

Laura: Okay, thank you. Wayne: Thank you. Richard Yovanovich: I wanted to make two points, one, Commissioner McDaniels just

entered the room, uh. Comm’r McDaniels: How’s everybody doing? Richard Yovanovich: And, just to recap, um, everybody in this room is opposed to

essential service personnel housing, that 30 units on the County’s parcel in the Estates.

Male Speaker: At Wilson – at Wilson and the Boulevard? Richard Yovanovich: Yes, yes, yes. Comm’r McDaniels: So, noted. Richard Yovanovich: I just want – wanted to make sure you’re aware of that. Female Speaker: We raised our hands. Richard Yovanovich: And – and it just – and it just – just kinda going back a little bit of

history, you know, on the Estates Shopping Center parcel, that – that – the hard corner piece set between 1st and – and Wilson was formally a neighborhood center where commercial was supposed to go in the first place. So, we’re kinda going back to pretty much the original plan of – of Golden Gate Estates, by going through this process. And with that, any more questions or comments before we go to Zoom, participants?


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Wayne: Okay, going to Zoom, Sharon, you wanna go ahead and call names and see if we have any questions on Zoom if they raised their hand?

Sharon: Um, if they speak, they can raise their hand; I can unmute them. Wayne: If you have a question or comment you’d like to make and you’re

on Zoom, if you’d raise your hand if you – if you know how to hit that icon, and then Sharon will unmute. And we will be happy to let the rest of the crowd hear what you have to say.

Richard Yovanovich: All right. How many – how many Zoom participants? Wayne: The question is how many Zoom participants do we have? Sharon Umpenhour: Fourteen but two are County staff, um. Wayne: So, we have 14 total Zoom participants and two of which are

County. Richard Yovanovich: Anybody raising their hand? Sharon Umpenhour: No, but if you wanna ask them if they just – if someone wants to ask

a question to unmute and ask a question. Wayne: Okay, so – so if you have a question, do – can you unmute, and then

we’ll know that you do have a question? Sharon Umpenhour: It doesn’t look like anyone has a question. Wayne: I – I don’t – I don’t see anybody raising their hand or unmuting. So,

I take it that none of our Zoom participants at this moment have question or comment, so. Anybody else in the room, Mr. Wallen, do you have a question?

Richard Yovanovich: Wayne? Wayne, do you wanna, see if everybody on the Zoom call

is opposed to the 30 units as well? Is there a way to find that out? Sharon Umpenhour: Oh, Scott Baxter has his hand raised. Wayne: We have, Scott Baxter, you have your hand raised. Do you wanna

unmute and ask your question or make your comment? Scott, I’m not hearing ya. It looks like you’re still muted on our end.

Sharon Umpenhour: You still – you have to unmute, Scott. There you go.


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Wayne: There you are. Scott Baxter: – unmute, I’m not sure if it’s working or not. Wayne: We hear ya. Scott: Okay. Um, I’m trying to – you know, you’re talking about putting

30 units on 10 acres. So, to be generous, we’re only gonna have three units per acre because then there will be no streets, no buffers, no sidewalks. Everybody that’s [inaudible] [00:37:47]. However, this property was promised as a park. Is that not in here?

Male Speaker: It is not a park. Wayne: Today it is not a park. It is zoned for a commercial shopping center. Scott: I understand that. Is the property staying – I thought this property

was promised to us as a park. Wayne: It – it – I’ll let Rich address that for you. Richard Yovanovich: Yeah. For the record, Rich Yovanovich, actually, what – what the

property exchange agreement says is we would give the County the 10 acres. The County would then decide what it wanted to put on the property, and obviously, a park is an option and other government services is an option.

To the list, the uses we got for this 10 acres came from Collier County. And this – the purpose of this meeting is for the community who – to give their input back to all of us about what we’re asking for as part of this PUD. And I assume you’re like the other members that are present that you oppose the multi-family option on that 10-acre piece. Is that correct?

Wayne: Scott? Richard Yovanovich: Scott, can you – move? Scott: [Audio cuts out] [00:39:05] – Male Speaker: Broke up. Male Speaker: Breaking up.


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[Crosstalk] Female Speaker: He said he’s opposed. Richard Yovanovich: Okay. Wayne: Scott? Any other comments, Scott, or should we – anybody else on

Zoom? Male Speaker: Yes, an upgraded Wi-Fi. [Crosstalk] Wayne: try again one more time. You’re still a little muddled. Anybody

remember when you had antennas on your TV, and you had to smack it or stand like this?

[Crosstalk] Is there anybody else on – on Zoom that – that wants to, um, speak? Sharon Umpenhour: Maggie Kemp. Richard Yovanovich: Maggie Kemp, it looks like. Wayne: Maggie Kemp, you’re up. Maggie Kemp: Hi, I just wanted to also voice my opposition to putting in low-

income housing on such a small space, seems like the County seems to be forgetting about the residents and the impact on the residents that are around these projects.

Wayne: Okay, thank you. Anybody else wanna make any comments on

Zoom? Richard Yovanovich: Susan Risner – Rissen. Wayne: Susan, you’re up, Ruse – Rusing. Am I close? Sharon: No, she’s not on. Richard Yovanovich: She’s unmuted.


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Wayne: She unmuted. I just didn’t know if she wanted to speak or not. Sharon: She’s not got audio. Rich: Okay. Wayne: Oh, okay. anybody else on Zoom? Okay, one more go-round in

here, anybody else wanna say anything? Phyllis: It’s me again, Phyllis Litka, question on the Curve. The 400 units,

are those houses, or are those apartments? Wayne: They – they – they will be – we make – we’d make provisions for

both, but it – it’ll be a multi-family, more likely a multi-family product.

Phyllis: Okay. Wayne: It could be condos. It could be apartments. We – we don’t have that

final decision yet. Phyllis: Okay. And when – next question, you said something about 4th

‘cause I live on 2nd, so, yeah, it’s the next street. So, 4th, they will not be able to come through 4th where they were gonna make that street, you know, behind all of, um, the storefronts?

Richard Yovanovich: The, yeah, for the record, Rich Yovanovich, we – we – we – in the

Curve property, the 50 acres were talking about tonight, there is absolutely no access on 4th other than we will make provisions for bicyclists or pedestrians that are coming up and down 4th but no cars will have access.

Phyllis: Well, one of the other meetings that I was going to – had gone to,

they were going to make a road. Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Richard Yovanovich: And that – that was I think Wayne was involved in that one. It was

the property to the North, um. Wayne: No – they no longer have access. That project removed their – any

access and it’s prohibiting to have access to 4th. Phyllis: Oh, thank you. Okay, that’s why you should go to meetings. Wayne: We appreciate you coming.


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Richard Yovanovich: Anybody else? Tim: I – I was just gonna – I was just curious who the two County people

were. Wayne: Mr. Wallen, Tim, why don’t you come forward? Sharon: You need to speak into the microphone, please. Richard Yovanovich: I’ll say it for you. Mr. Wallen wanted to know who the two County

people were on the phone, and it was – I think I said it earlier, Anita Jenkins who is, Zoning Director, and, Corby Schnitt who is the Growth Management Reviewer – Plan Reviewer for this project. Those are the two County. Yes?

Sharon: Actually, it’s Michelle Mosca for Anita. Richard Yovanovich: Okay, well, Michelle Mosca who, also is in Growth Management is

sitting in for Anita Jenkins, and, she’s been with the County for quite a while and is familiar with the comprehension plan. Anybody else? All right, well, we thank you for coming and I hope everybody enjoys their holiday season and stay safe. Thank you.

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