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What part of Switzerland, are Invicta watches made?
Does anyone know what part of Switzerland Invicta makes their watches?
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If they do, they aren't telling.
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o one knows K. It would be interesting to see it though.
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According to Jim Skelton,Ivicta bought two Swiss factory's in 2003.No mention of what area
they were in.
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I would like to know as well, can't figure out why they are so secretive about it. That is to say I
think there is some level of duplicity involved, because of the unknown.
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11-09-2010, 07:10 PM
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That part of Switzerland located in Asia. LOL J/K
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11-09-2010, 07:12 PM
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Huh, Well we can rule out Geneva, even though made a womens Geneva timepiece a few yrs
ago. I would guess the following places.
1) Bern
2) La Chaux-de-Fonds
3)Lucerne
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That part of Switzerland located in Asia. LOL J/K
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That part of Switzerland located in Asia. LOL J/K
you are a naughty person. i am saying "person" because that is more PC, than boy or girl.
OOPS, never mind, went back and saw that it is "MAN", but still BAD.
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Victa...............Duh
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I know one is next to the cheese factory were they make baby swiss
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Wherever the companies they contract to build them are located. I would be shocked to learn
that Invicta has their own manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. I believe that if they did we
would have seen pictures and profiles ad nauseum of them. I wouldn't be all that surprised to
find out they have some warehousing space there, maybe even a few watchmakers there to do
repairs, but a regular manufacture facility, I'm betting no.
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Wherever the companies they contract to build them are located. I would be shocked to learn
that Invicta has their own manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. I believe that if they did we
would have seen pictures and profiles ad nauseum of them. I wouldn't be all that surprised to
find out they have some warehousing space there, maybe even a few watchmakers there to do
repairs, but a regular manufacture facility, I'm betting no.
DING - DING - DING!
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right next to bejing across from the giant panda park
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I agree..............No chance they even rent/lease/timeshare in the land of holy cheese.
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Wherever the companies they contract to build them are located. I would be shocked to learn
that Invicta has their own manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. I believe that if they did we
would have seen pictures and profiles ad nauseum of them. I wouldn't be all that surprised to
find out they have some warehousing space there, maybe even a few watchmakers there to do
repairs, but a regular manufacture facility, I'm betting no.
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Invicta partners with dozens of factories all over the world for different things. Invicta also
owns their own factories.
They use case factories in Panama, they use Swiss factories, and HK factories for their
non-Swiss watches. IIRC they have facilities in 5 different countries.
Invicta purchased two Swiss factories in 2003 and have been doing a lot of work through
them (like the Reserve Collection).
So like many brands, Invicta does work with factory partnerships, but they also own their
own factories. This is why they they are able to produce at a volume level that others could
only dream of.
They are the number 1 user of Miyota movements, one of the top users of ETA
movements, top user of Ronda movements, and in the top ten of manufacturers submitting
to the COSC.
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Didn't Jim or Eyal say that ***ALL*** Reserve watches were hand assembled ***IN***
Switzerland??? IF I remember right.
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It's my guess/opinion that When Invicta purchased the S. Coifman and Potger Pietri brands, no
hard assets were acquired and that Invicta only acquired the rights to the brand names. If the
actually had brick and mortar facilities in Switzerland we'd see pictures and videos as part of
their marketing programs.
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Glad to see you weigh in on this Jim. It never ceases to amaze me how some members on this
forum seem to think that Eyal sits around and trys to think of ways to deceive their customers. Is
Invicta perfect? No All they do is make a great timepiece at a great price. Just my .02 worth
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Glad to see you weigh in on this Jim. It never ceases to amaze me how some members on this
forum seem to think that Eyal sits around and trys to think of ways to deceive their customers.
Is Invicta perfect? No All they do is make a great timepiece at a great price. Just my .02 worth
Jim didn't weigh in, Desert Rex copied that post from another thread. And yes, Invicta does
make great watches at great prices, no matter if it's all done under contract or not.
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Victa...............Duh
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Actually I do like that crazy picture of eyals "people" wearing the white lab coats with Invicta
logos. That's priceless.
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I don't care where there made, just like i don't care where my Heart beat of America made in
Mexico Chevy truck and my 100% real American made beef from China is made either. OOPS,
hang on my Great state of Texas flag made in Bangladesh just fell over.
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I don't care where there made, just like i don't care where my Heart beat of America made in
Mexico Chevy truck and my 100% real American made beef from China is made either.
OOPS, hang on my Great state of Texas flag made in Bangladesh just fell over.
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Invicta partners with dozens of factories all over the world for different things. Invicta also
owns their own factories.
They use case factories in Panama, they use Swiss factories, and HK factories for their non-
Swiss watches. IIRC they have facilities in 5 different countries.
Invicta purchased two Swiss factories in 2003 and have been doing a lot of work through
them (like the Reserve Collection).
So like many brands, Invicta does work with factory partnerships, but they also own their own
factories. This is why they they are able to produce at a volume level that others could only
dream of.
They are the number 1 user of Miyota movements, one of the top users of ETA movements, top
user of Ronda movements, and in the top ten of manufacturers submitting to the COSC.
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What was the date of this post Jeff? Also when was the last time you saw a COSC Invicta?
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What was the date of this post Jeff? Also when was the last time you saw a COSC Invicta?
December of 2008.
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I love my Invictas and don't want to know whats behind the curtain. In the dark is the best place
to be when Invicta is the topic. Just read what it says at the six'o clock position and go with it.
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What was the date of this post Jeff? Also when was the last time you saw a COSC Invicta?
Haven't seen a COSC Invicta in quite a while. The post was going back some,But info should
still be the same I would think.Maybe Jim will touch base with us on this since he stated this in
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Does anyone know what part of Switzerland Invicta makes their watches?
Ouch !!
Maybe Mr. Lalo has answer for you ? Surely he has one Swiss address ?
Does PO Box count ? Maybe they share the address with DD ?
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I know there was a big deal about them acquiring factories in 2003 but really havent seen
anything since then. Maybe someone has some more current info.
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I know there was a big deal about them acquiring factories in 2003 but really havent seen
anything since then. Maybe someone has some more current info.
CJ,last year someone here posted pictures in side of the Swiss factory ( showing watch makers at
work ) not sure who it was,and watch crazy larry posted some addresses in Switzerland on the
same post if I recall it right.
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CJ,last year someone here posted pictures in side of the Swiss factory ( showing watch makers
at work ) not sure who it was,and watch crazy larry posted some addresses in Switzerland on
the same post if I recall it right.
People wearing lab coats with Invicta on them could be taken anywhere, including one of the
factories who make watches under contract for Invicta.
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Jim didn't weigh it, Desert Rex copied that post from another thread. And yes, Invicta does
make great watches at great prices, no matter if it's all done under contract or not.
I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say
about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR
CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in peace.
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If there are factories in Switzerland with the Invicta name on them Eyal would point them out
and do so often. I didn't say what Invicta does, contracting with Swiss firms to build their
watches, is wrong. I doubt anyone thinks that Lior owns the company that builds the SWI
branded watches, and don't see that as a negative. I could be wrong, have been before and will
be again, but it's fairly obvious Eyal does outsource as many others do. There's nothing wrong
with partnering with other companies as long as the quality control and customer service doesn't
suffer as a consequence, as I believe has happened, especially with the Reserve lines. I've had
too many failures involving aspects of the watches that had been checked off on those little
yellow sheets of paper Eyal touted so heavily. The failure rate of my Reserve pieces was very
near 100%, and is the reason I refuse to buy them new. I wait and buy from fellow Geeks far
braver than me, thus allowing for another level of inspection and troubleshooting. That shouldn't
be necessary, and probably wouldn't be if Invicta was totally in charge of the final assembly,
testing, and inspection process. Sorry to go into this type of detail, didn't really mean it to, but I
thought it necessary. I'm a huge Invicta fan, but I also tend to judge things from experience
rather than looking at things as I hope they would be. The fact that I remain a fan I think says a
lot, considering. The positives still outweigh the negatives enough to keep me coming back even
though my approach to them has evolved.
[edit] My Invicta Reserve COSC Diver is sitting in one of my watch boxes with a totally locked
up movement because I cannot come to terms with Invicta regarding its repair. I still have two
years or so on the warranty, so I'm not worried yet. An attorney friend of mine is doing a bit of
research for me in his spare time, and I'm waiting to hear what he has to say. He really liked the
watch I gave him for looking into this for me. It's nice to have a watch collector and best friend
in a position to help in a situation like this.
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I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say
about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR
CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in
peace.
What? say that more clearly.
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Who was saying something negative in this thread?
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I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say
about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR
CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in
peace.
Well my friend, I'd wager I own more Invicta watches than you do, and a reasoned discussion
about whether they own brick and mortar factories in Switzerland is fair game. As to your use of
profanity against me that the word censor caught, I'd suggest you learn to debate like an adult.
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You have to remember it is not made in Switzerland only hand finished and assembled using a
Swiss made movement, that is the 51%
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People wearing lab coats with Invicta on them could be taken anywhere, including one of the
factories who make watches under contract for Invicta.
I dont think owning a Swiss factory is that big of a feat for someone the size of Invicta.Deep
Blue and Renato have proved to the world ( IMO ) that Swiss quality can be made elsewhere for
less money.Some time ago trying to fill a government order I looked into a company over in
Switzerland to out source the remainder of an order a Texas based manufacture was having
trouble filling on timeline required.The quality was not as good as the US product ,but the cost
was 3/4 more.not hard to figure why with the short work days from the Swiss and much less
produced per hour compared to the US workers. My own opinion, I don't believe anything
magical happens over there that cant be done elsewhere.Now I could be wrong but I'm willing to
go on record with that statement.
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Does anyone know what part of Switzerland Invicta makes their watches?
It's right down the road from Newark NJ
Just kidding,I couldn't tell you
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11-09-2010, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pjrosen
I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say
about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR
CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in
peace.
Flyback ( Brad ) is a well respected member of this forum.and his opinion is valued by myself
and others weather in agreement on a topic or not.your comment was uncalled for.He has never
been an Invicta basher,and never will be one.
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11-09-2010, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by desert rex
I dont think owning a Swiss factory is that big of a feat for someone the size of Invicta.Deep
Blue and Renato have proved to the world ( IMO ) that Swiss quality can be made elsewhere
for less money.Some time ago trying to fill a government order I looked into a company over
in Switzerland to out source the remainder of an order a Texas based manufacture was having
trouble filling on timeline required.The quality was not as good as the US product ,but the cost
was 3/4 more.not hard to figure why with the short work days from the Swiss and much less
produced per hour compared to the US workers. My own opinion, I don't believe anything
magical happens over there that cant be done elsewhere.Now I could be wrong but I'm willing
to go on record with that statement.
Nothing to disagree with here, except it's my belief that Invicta is a design and marketing
company who produces under contract, not a brick and mortar manufacturer. And, it's important
to note that there is nothing about this method that takes away anything from what they produce.
Could I be wrong, of course. But I still submit if they owned Swiss factories, they'd market the
living daylights out of it, and not just by making verbal references to them.
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11-09-2010, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Azel88
I know one is next to the cheese factory were they make baby swiss
And those lovely yellow cheese boxes!
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11-09-2010, 08:54 PM
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The internet abhors a vacuum. Sensing one, it will rush to fill it - with speculation.
Can't be helped - it's the nature of the internet.
Swiss factories treated as family secrets with no address where one on an Alpine vacation could
actually point and stare is a vacuum.
It's a vacuum because no obvious reason exists to keep such a thing secret - it's not like the
watches are being built in bunkers and have to be treated like a uranium processing plant for fear
the Millionsmart hoards will parachute in, cover the place with graffiti and steal all their
paraffin-free truffles.
Hence no one should be surprised to see speculation. The need for it is woven into the fabric of
the intrawebz. And, as Flyback has noted, there exists no reason to assume said speculation is
negative.
My personal stab at reconciling the conflicts is...
IWB bought a controlling interest in a couple Swiss contract houses. However, since they
intended to maintain the contract house's relationships with existing non-Invicta customers the
acquisition was in stealth mode and no visible sign of IWG involvement exists on the buildings
themselves. After all, Invicta's competitors might be circumspect about continuing to use a
contractor under control of their competitor. Thus, Invicta bought two Swiss factories but their
ownership is a closely guarded secret.
How 'bout that? No tinfoil hat (much) required. A theory which, though possibly far-fetched, is
neither offensive nor requires a conspiracy theorist.
Still, it fails to satisfy. Hopefully the more elder of the forumites could provide something more
plausible.
Or Invicta could cough up the locations. Of course their decision not to would not involve
anything negative - apart from the inevitable internet speculation but that's not really a negative
anyway.
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11-09-2010, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pjrosen
I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say
about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR
CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in
peace.
Brad state the honest facts nothing more. What facts do you have? The question was where are
the factories located? Do you have that answer or not? I dont see anything construtive in your
post.
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11-09-2010, 09:01 PM
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When you can't attack the arguement, attack the person. A basic faux pas in a reasoned debate,
strengthening the other's position drastically. I haven't seen anything negative in the positions
taken throughout thid thread. As I said earlier, the longer you're a fan the more you learn from
experience as long as you're open to doing so. Knee jerk reactions reflect either a lack of
knowledge or blind faith without substance backing it having been challenged. For the most part
that isn't found here, and I'm glad it's called out when it does rear its head.
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11-09-2010, 09:03 PM
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Well here is my opinion , If you want to discuss this do it in a
respectful manner towards each other , no reason to curse at
anyone state your position in a civil tone and all will be fine.
Thank You .!!!!
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11-09-2010, 09:09 PM
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Nothing to disagree with here, except it's my belief that Invicta is a design and marketing
company who produces under contract, not a brick and mortar manufacturer. And, it's
important to note that there is nothing about this method that takes away anything from what
they produce. Could I be wrong, of course. But I still submit if they owned Swiss factories,
they'd market the living daylights out of it, and not just by making verbal references to them.
Well as usual you make a very plausible argument that would be hard to punch holes
in.Although we appear to be on opposite sides on this issue,always a pleasure to debate you. We
may never truly know the answer to this one,Without Eyal under sodium pentathol
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawk404
The internet abhors a vacuum. Sensing one, it will rush to fill it - with speculation.
Can't be helped - it's the nature of the internet.
Swiss factories treated as family secrets with no address where one on an Alpine vacation
could actually point and stare is a vacuum.
It's a vacuum because no obvious reason exists to keep such a thing secret - it's not like the
watches are being built in bunkers and have to be treated like a uranium processing plant for
fear the Millionsmart hoards will parachute in, cover the place with graffiti and steal all their
paraffin-free truffles.
Hence no one should be surprised to see speculation. The need for it is woven into the fabric
of the intrawebz. And, as Flyback has noted, there exists no reason to assume said speculation
is negative.
My personal stab at reconciling the conflicts is...
IWB bought a controlling interest in a couple Swiss contract houses. However, since they
intended to maintain the contract house's relationships with existing non-Invicta customers the
acquisition was in stealth mode and no visible sign of IWG involvement exists on the buildings
themselves. After all, Invicta's competitors might be circumspect about continuing to use a
contractor under control of their competitor. Thus, Invicta bought two Swiss factories but their
ownership is a closely guarded secret.
How 'bout that? No tinfoil hat (much) required. A theory which, though possibly far-fetched, is
neither offensive nor requires a conspiracy theorist.
Still, it fails to satisfy. Hopefully the more elder of the forumites could provide something more
plausible.
Or Invicta could cough up the locations. Of course their decision not to would not involve
anything negative - apart from the inevitable internet speculation but that's not really a
negative anyway.
Very creative theory,and well written
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