with recent disclosures ......is anyone buying reserve ocean speedway
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aquacleaner 3 Lastest Threads by aquacleaner With recent disclosures ......is anyone buying reserve ocean speedway Thanks Real Name: Jerry Join Date: Dec 2009 Am I alone? The movement isn't had high Vpms as originally stated but I'm still thinking of getting one Location: Buffalo N.Y. Posts: 970 I still love the look of this watch n it is on sale again. Wondering if anyone has pics.TRANSCRIPT
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With recent disclosures ......is anyone buying reserve ocean speedway
I still love the look of this watch n it is on sale again. Wondering if anyone has pics.
The movement isn't had high Vpms as originally stated but I'm still thinking of getting one
Am I alone?
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03-12-2011, 10:32 AM
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They have sold a lot of these different models of ocean speedway (there are like six of them now) lately
and how many people that got perfectly functioning ones are going to post? The defective ones are the
ones you hear about so I think the reputation is yet to be established. I will wait and see but I bet most
people are pretty happy with them.
Good luck! Bill
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03-12-2011, 10:44 AM
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If you want a Seiko chronograph movement but you are not ready to shell out roughly $3,000 at your
local Seiko dealer, this Invicta is the only game in town.
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03-12-2011, 10:57 AM
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I am waiting for the SR. I was really interested in buying one before it was announced the beat rate wasnt
36000bph now not really too interested.
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Iam hoping for a combat in this model MITE get it then? or a 7751 all black meteorite have two of those
now.
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03-12-2011, 11:22 AM
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It's funny to me that the new BPH would be a deal breaker to someone.
Does anyone have a meter to count how many times it beats each second, minute or hour?
Probably not!!!
I didn't buy it because of the DD speedways I had just received and love.
Regardless, it’s still a nice automatic chronograph produced by a name brand outfit like Seiko…
It's worth a look if interested...
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I agree
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Originally Posted by ky
It's funny to me that the new BPH would be a deal breaker to someone.
Does anyone have a meter to count how many times it beats each second, minute or hour?
Probably not!!!
I didn't buy it because of the DD speedways I had just received and love.
Regardless, it’s still a nice automatic chronograph produced by a name brand outfit like Seiko…
It's worth a look if interested...
Lost excitement over movement but still think watch is hot
I'm n
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03-12-2011, 11:26 AM
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When first aired it was reported as having a 36,000 VPH movement and sold for $689.22. Since then
Invicta posted the movement was actually 28,800 VPH. However, the watch is listed, and is still selling for
the same price of $689.22. I would think a lesser VPH would justify a price below the original price of
$689.22. Quantity appears to be adequate, so I think it's wise to wait for the price to lower before
buying.
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When first aired it was reported as having a 36,000 VPH movement and sold for $689.22. Since then
Invicta posted the movement was actually 28,800 VPH. However, the watch is listed, and is still selling
for the same price of $689.22. I would think a lesser VPH would justify a price below the original price of
$689.22. Quantity appears to be adequate, so I think it's wise to wait for the price to lower before
buying.
Exactly.
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Certainly not as exciting now that it's a "normal" 28,800bph. However, it's still at least as good as a
V7550, so yeah, I'd love to own one.
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Kind of reminds me of a recent event at a local jeweler. My buddy and I were looking over the Breitlings.
The jeweler mentioned he had a pre-owned Chronomat for $1,895. He insisted that the price was firm
stating that it was a COSC automatic and, of course, a Breitling. I asked about the certificate and box.
"Hey? it's a used watch! No, we don't have those items". Then we realized that nowhere on the watch
was the term "certifie chronometre". So, to close the sale, their watch repairman popped the caseback
and to the shock of everyone on their side of the counter, it wasn't a COSC movement!
My buddy still wanted the watch, so he said "Since it isn't COSC, I'll give you $1,400".
The guy grins and acts insulted! "I'm sorry sir, but the price is firm".He handed the jeweler his business
card and said "When you're ready to sell it, call me!"
IMHO, if the product isn't as originally advertised, a price adjustment is in order.
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Kind of reminds me of a recent event at a local jeweler. My buddy and I were looking over the Breitlings.
The jeweler mentioned he had a pre-owned Chronomat for $1,895. He insisted that the price was firm
stating that it was a COSC automatic and, of course, a Breitling. I asked about the certificate and box.
"Hey? it's a used watch! No, we don't have those items". Then we realized that nowhere on the watch
was the term "certifie chronometre". So, to close the sale, their watch repairman popped the caseback
and to the shock of everyone on their side of the counter, it wasn't a COSC movement!
My buddy still wanted the watch, so he said "Since it isn't COSC, I'll give you $1,400".
The guy grins and acts insulted! "I'm sorry sir, but the price is firm".He handed the jeweler his business
card and said "When you're ready to sell it, call me!"
IMHO, if the product isn't as originally advertised, a price adjustment is in order.
Perfect response on your buddy's part....+1 Either sell what you say or price it accordingly!
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Die hard Invicta fans will purchase this watch regardless. I think that the folks that would not purchase
it, would be those collectors, or watch enthusiasts that would buy the watch because of high-beat
quality that - in the end - it did not really have.
Quite a few non-internet browsing folks purchased this watch because of the TV marketing that
emphasized that 36,000 VPH. Those are the folks that are truly the "injured party" here. WGs now
know, so those of us that purchased it, may or may not keep it; but, we do so with "eyes wide open".
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It's funny to me that the new BPH would be a deal breaker to someone.
Does anyone have a meter to count how many times it beats each second, minute or hour?
Probably not!!!
I didn't buy it because of the DD speedways I had just received and love.
Regardless, it’s still a nice automatic chronograph produced by a name brand outfit like Seiko…
It's worth a look if interested...
What if you opened your caseback and found out it wasnt a DD movement inside? Would that matter to
you either?If it doesnt then just buy a quartz version for far less money. I agree with Jerry if its not what
is advertised and price drop is in order.BPH of 36000 is quite an achievement IMO whereas a 28800 isnt.
As far as it being better than a 7750 the jury is out but I seriously doubt it is the way the chrono jumps
around like a quartz.
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03-12-2011, 01:32 PM
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What if you opened your caseback and found out it wasnt a DD movement inside? Would that matter to
you either?If it doesnt then just buy a quartz version for far less money. I agree with Jerry if its not what
is advertised and price drop is in order.BPH of 36000 is quite an achievement IMO whereas a 28800 isnt.
As far as it being better than a 7750 the jury is out but I seriously doubt it is the way the chrono jumps
around like a quartz.
If the DD speedway had this Seiko movement in it I would have still wanted it.
The fact that it was a DD movement was not the main buying point for me.
It was an added feature.
I like the look of the original Speedway/Daytona-look-alike and wanted that look in an automatic for a
reasonable price.
I would have been just as happy if Invicta had used the ETA-2894 in the original Speedway case instead of
the DD...JMO
Exotic movements are sometimes cool, but I can't see the VPH/BPH being a show stopper.
If Eyal had not said anything,
NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE!!!
My 2 's
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If the DD speedway had this Seiko movement in it I would have still wanted it.
The fact that it was a DD movement was not the main buying point for me.
It was an added feature.
I like the look of the original Speedway/Daytona-look-alike and wanted that look in an automatic for a
reasonable price.
I would have been just as happy if Invicta had used the ETA-2894 in the original Speedway case instead
of the DD...JMO
Exotic movements are sometimes cool, but I can't see the VPH/BPH being a show stopper.
If Eyal had not said anything,
NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE!!!
My 2 's
Believe me with as much scrutiny Invicta goes thru someone would have found out.The jerky second
hand is a clue something was up.I personally would have been happier if they would have used a 2894 of
which I own 3 different watches with that same movement and they are all flawless.Same case too as the
original.Maybe for you its not a (show stopper) but for many it is.I own many 28800 BPH movements and
no 36000bph so its a deal killer for me.I do like the look of the Seiko Speedway and put a 2894 in it I
wouldnt hesitate to buy it.
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Invicta really needs to turn around the QC, especially on the higher end models. Its going to really
difficult to maintain the customer base when you keep producing timepieces with major issues.
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Believe me with as much scrutiny Invicta goes thru someone would have found out.The jerky second
hand is a clue something was up.I personally would have been happier if they would have used a 2894
of which I own 3 different watches with that same movement and they are all flawless.Same case too as
the original.Maybe for you its not a (show stopper) but for many it is.I own many 28800 BPH
movements and no 36000bph so its a deal killer for me.I do like the look of the Seiko Speedway and put
a 2894 in it I wouldnt hesitate to buy it.
It sounds like we agree on most of it and disagree on one thing.
For you it's a deal killer; for me it's not.
That's why I enjoy watch collecting.
Everyone has their own niche...
It's too easy to buy everything that everyone else is already wearing.
I do agree also that since the movement is not what was originally advertised, the fair thing would be to
offer a price adjustment.
That’s a snbc thing, not an Invicta thing though.
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I did not purchace it but instead purchaced the Seiko Premium from Rue La La, but 28800 bph is what
most swiss auto operate at so why this would be a deal breaker I will never know, A Seiko high beat
chrono movement sounds good to me and with seikos reputation you know the movements good, but a
seiko went on sale that I wanted for a few years and I had to bite or else I would have the speedway
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Invicta really needs to turn around the QC, especially on the higher end models. Its going to really
difficult to maintain the customer base when you keep producing timepieces with major issues.
I'm not quite getting your statement here Howard.
We all are aware of several issues on some other Invicta models.
But did someone complain about this watch being junk or something?
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You know this is interesting. I bought the watch primarily because of the movement (being one of Seiko's
higher end) but, frankly, the 36,000bph really was not a major factor in my decision. The overall fit and
finish, the chrono movement and the overall size and scale did it for me. It is a WONDERFUL watch and
mine runs within COSC specs +2 secs/day fast. It is GORGEOUS and mine is flawless. You can debate the
movement and this and that, but frankly I prefer this timepiece to my DD Speedway.
Soooooo...if you are interested in the piece, buy it and enjoy it. I can guarantee you won't be sorry. It is a
special piece, despite the fact it does not run at 36,000bph. JMO...
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Remember it's a Seiko movement
Thats a good enough reason to own the Speedway and I am probably gonna buy one down the road. I
just had a bad taste in my mouth after my DD Speedway was defective and this Seiko Speedway turned
out to be something different that it was at first advertised. If Matt says its a great watch thats good
enough for me.
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Quite a few non-internet browsing folks purchased this watch because of the TV marketing that
emphasized that 36,000 VPH. Those are the folks that are truly the "injured party" here. WGs now
know, so those of us that purchased it, may or may not keep it; but, we do so with "eyes wide open".
Those looking to purchase this watch were attracted to the High Beat movement.
I'm sure those buyers that are not on Watchgeeks, and have not learned that this movement is not a
High Beat -are still buying this watch because of the movement.
The video is still up claiming the High Beat movement.
They are still selling it because of that claim!
http://www.shopnbc.com/product/?familyid=J401750
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You know this is interesting. I bought the watch primarily because of the movement (being one of
Seiko's higher end) but, frankly, the 36,000bph really was not a major factor in my decision. The overall
fit and finish, the chrono movement and the overall size and scale did it for me. It is a WONDERFUL
watch and mine runs within COSC specs +2 secs/day fast. It is GORGEOUS and mine is flawless. You can
debate the movement and this and that, but frankly I prefer this timepiece to my DD Speedway.
Soooooo...if you are interested in the piece, buy it and enjoy it. I can guarantee you won't be sorry. It is
a special piece, despite the fact it does not run at 36,000bph. JMO...
Can u post of pics on wrist
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Quote:
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If Eyal had not said anything,
NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE!!!
My 2 's
Incorrect. This is a Seiko movement. Sooner, or later, the true
specifications would have been published by Seiko on their official website. Anyone who has been on any of the popular watch forums
knows how inquisitive a watch enthusiast can be. Believe me when I tell you that this would absolutely have come out the moment the
specs were published. The specs are not out there right now only because of how new the movement is; but, it will be published
eventually.
Other than that, there are plenty of watch enthusiasts - many of them WGs - that have a "watch timer" or time grapher and can
measure VPH. Or, eventually, someone would have sent their watch to a certified horologist - for some reason - and this would have
come out.
Surely, had it occurred extra-officially, the person claiming the discrepancy would be excoriated by the die-hard Invicta fans in a
number of threads (we've seen plenty of that here). Yet, the truth would have come out nevertheless. Let us not forget that a lot of the
issues that have been uncovered regarding past Invicta issues ("Swiss Made", sandstone, the DD malfunctions/missing washer,
etc) were uncovered by the watch enthusiasts and brought to Invicta's attention right here on this forum. Don't sell a Watch Geek
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If Eyal had not said anything,
NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE!!!
My 2 's
Bologna, there's an APP for that.
I have an iPhone APP that would reveal this, if I chose to purchase that watch.
I use this APP to check Stats on all of my automatic movements.
1. Daily Rate
2. Signal Display
3. Signal Quality
4. Start Analysis
5. Frequency Display
6. Signal Amplicication
7. In App Help
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If you want a Seiko chronograph movement but you are not ready to shell out roughly
$3,000 at your local Seiko dealer, this Invicta is the only game in town.
Isn't the 3000.00 seiko a different movement?
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I am waiting for the SR. I was really interested in buying one before it was announced the
beat rate wasnt 36000bph now not really too interested.
+1, my thoughts exactly.
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You all act like you've uncovered some big conspiracy...I guess Misunderstandings are
simply not allowed to happen these days...To be P.C. apparently we must all have our ducks
in a row and standing at attention...I'll try to remember this when I attempt to pass any
information along around here...
Thanks in advance for the warnings...
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If you want a Seiko chronograph movement but you are not ready to shell out roughly
$3,000 at your local Seiko dealer, this Invicta is the only game in town.
and imho is a better value then the DD movement
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i own the speedway. The watch is great it looks and runs perfect.if ayal had
never come out about the difference in beats,how many people out their would see
the difference? I bet not many!. The watch runs great. So what if the chrono dosn't run as
smooth as others! Its still a great movement and a great watch. Try to find a similar watch
out there,i guarantee you will pay at least double! I think shop and invicta have come up
with a very realistic pricepoint for a watch of this quality! If the bph is going to be a
issue,than don't buy the watch! I did'nt really care about the bph! Don't ruin it for others by
bashing the watch. I have seen too much of this on this forum.yes invicta made a mistake
and corrected it. How many watch companies outhere make mistakes and you never hear
about it? I would advise anyone who likes the look of this watch to buy it while you can,its a
beautiful timepiece ! You won't be sorry
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You all act like you've uncovered some big conspiracy...I guess Misunderstandings are
simply not allowed to happen these days...To be P.C. apparently we must all have our
ducks in a row and standing at attention...I'll try to remember this when I attempt to pass
any information along around here...
Thanks in advance for the warnings...
Really? Where do you read that? There was no conspiracy. Eyal was the first one to come up and say what it was, and everyone knows
this.
The only points I see being made is that a) some really wanted to
purchase for the marketed 36K VPH (which is how it was marketed),
b) others (myself included) are surprised that this was not known previously by Invicta (myself included) and c) others just like the
watch anyway (which is totally understandable and totally OK). Where do you see anything about "conspiracy"? Which post on this
thread (except yours)?
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This movement at 28800 is a high beat movement, most Japanese Miyoto movements
operate at around 21600 bph. maybe I am wrong but 28800 bph is considered high beat
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i own the speedway. The watch is great it looks and runs perfect.if ayal had
never come out about the difference in beats,how many people out their would
see the difference? I bet not many!. The watch runs great. So what if the chrono dosn't
run as smooth as others! Its still a great movement and a great watch. Try to find a similar
watch out there,i guarantee you will pay at least double! I think shop and invicta have
come up with a very realistic pricepoint for a watch of this quality! If the bph is going to be
a issue,than don't buy the watch! I did'nt really care about the bph! Don't ruin it for others
by bashing the watch. I have seen too much of this on this forum.yes invicta made a
mistake and corrected it. How many watch companies outhere make mistakes and you
never hear about it? I would advise anyone who likes the look of this watch to buy it while
you can,its a beautiful timepiece ! You won't be sorry
It is a good looking watch. Those that like it will like it. If it runs well
- even at 28,800 VPH, which is what we are all used to seeing in auto chronos anyway, then enjoy your watch. Also, if you feel like you
have to defend Invicta to the bitter end, that's fine too.
But, I'm convinced that the VPH would have come out regardless if it was announced or not. Watch enthusiasts are very curious about
what makes those little machines "tick". And, once it was uncovered in that manner, it would be all over every forum (the movement was
already being discussed in Seiko forums, and that was prior to Eyal's announcement).
It's not a big deal really. People got their watches. Maybe not as
advertised, but they got a watch for their money. Those that are not happy can always return them.
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I would have no problem with the performance of the movement, that being said I think
that the information that was originally aired must not have been checked and it should
have, if you sell something you should know the product you are selling
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Incorrect. This is a Seiko movement. Sooner, or later, the true specifications would have been published by Seiko on their official
website. Anyone who has been on any of the popular watch forums knows how inquisitive a watch enthusiast can be. Believe me when
I tell you that this would absolutely have come out the moment the specs were published. The specs are not out there right now only
because of how new the movement is; but, it will be published eventually.
Other than that, there are plenty of watch enthusiasts - many of them WGs - that have a "watch timer" or time grapher and can
measure VPH. Or, eventually, someone would have sent their watch to a certified horologist - for some reason - and this would have
come out.
Surely, had it occurred extra-officially, the person claiming the discrepancy would be excoriated by the die-hard Invicta fans in a
number of threads (we've seen plenty of that here). Yet, the truth would have come out nevertheless. Let us not forget that a lot of
the issues that have been uncovered regarding past Invicta issues ("Swiss Made", sandstone, the DD malfunctions/missing washer,
etc) were uncovered by the watch enthusiasts and brought to Invicta's attention right here on this forum. Don't sell a Watch Geek
short.
I can believe your statements and by no means am I selling anyone short on their
persistence in trying to devalue anything…
I always see there are plenty of people around here that have nothing better to do than to
gripe, whine and cry about Invicta whether warranted or not.
It reminds me of high school or middle school or something.
Invicta has made their fair share of mistakes just like many other companies out there and
they will deal with the consequences just like those companies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected]
Bologna, there's an APP for that.
I have an iPhone APP that would reveal this, if I chose to purchase that watch.
I use this APP to check Stats on all of my automatic movements.
1. Daily Rate
2. Signal Display
3. Signal Quality
4. Start Analysis
5. Frequency Display
6. Signal Amplicication 7. In App Help
I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TOYS THEN!!!
I stand by what I said... ...
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Those looking to purchase this watch were attracted to the High Beat movement.
I'm sure those buyers that are not on Watchgeeks, and have not learned that this
movement is not a High Beat -are still buying this watch because of the movement.
The video is still up claiming the High Beat movement.
They are still selling it because of that claim!
http://www.shopnbc.com/product/?familyid=J401750
That's why SNBC should notify all individuals who purchased this watch by e-mail or mail,
informing them that the movement is not what was advertised, and giving them the option
to return the watch postage free. Especially since some bought it solely for the 36,000 VPH
movement. I'm sure once the watch is aired again it will be mentioned the movement is
28,800 VPH and not 36,000.
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I missed the whole thing on the mistake on the movement,maybe they will get back to the
7750 in their high end watches,It works well and I trust it to run for years,Oh well
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I personally could not imagine buying this watch, especially with the D&D movement. It just
seems a Frankenstein at best and the two brands do not compliment each other, in fact it
makes them both worse.
If I liked the way it looked I would buy one with the Seiko movement after the price goes
down.
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I think the quarts models look just as nice,and they will be cheaper later.As Stated it was
nice Invicta offered to let people return them.For those who kept them/They Like it and
enjoy the watch they purchased no problem,I probably would have bought the DD if there
wasnt so many problems last time,that doesnt mean its not a good movement just what I
decided.
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not smooth
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i own the speedway. The watch is great it looks and runs perfect.if ayal had
never come out about the difference in beats,how many people out their would
see the difference? I bet not many!. The watch runs great. So what if the chrono dosn't
run as smooth as others! Its still a great movement and a great watch. Try to find a similar
watch out there,i guarantee you will pay at least double! I think shop and invicta have
come up with a very realistic pricepoint for a watch of this quality! If the bph is going to be
a issue,than don't buy the watch! I did'nt really care about the bph! Don't ruin it for others
by bashing the watch. I have seen too much of this on this forum.yes invicta made a
mistake and corrected it. How many watch companies outhere make mistakes and you
never hear about it? I would advise anyone who likes the look of this watch to buy it while
you can,its a beautiful timepiece ! You won't be sorry
Not Bashing the watch or Invicta,But did you say the Chrono is not smooth.I run my Auto
and Quarts Chronos as soon as I put them on and reset them when I take them off.For me it
would have to be smooth ,thats just me.Those who bought and are happy should enjoy their
watch and not worry about defending them.Beleive I know me It sucks when people talk bad
about a watch I purchased .But when they bash it and others defend it it goes down the
same road as so many of these threads.Enjoy your watch man
you might not like the nezt one I buy ,
Have a good night
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I receibed a defective Speedway DD in black #214...I sent it back to Shopnbc.......In it's
place I ordered a Speedway with the Seiko automatic chrono movement, but when I heard
that the beat of the movemnent was not as stated on Shopnbc, I cancelled the order....It is
a nice watch, but I will wait until the price drops some!.......The Speedway DD in stainless
steel came back up for sale, it was priced under $800 bucks on Shopnbc.. I picked one up....
It should be here on Tuesday. I will post when it arrives. :-) Thanks, B
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The 36,000 BPH is a deal breaker unless there is a price drop not becaues the look or
function of the watch has changed but because a auto chrono movement with 36,000 BPH
would have been unique in my collection. I purchase watches not only because of the look
but because of the movement too. The features of watches in and out are all reasons I
collect them. I still want one but it is not as big as a priority. I am glad I purchased the DD
Speedway.
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Guy's, the usual Invicta consperacy wonks and Basher's are at work again, they just can't
resist any opportunity to nit pick or bash anything Invicta puts out. Don't let them get to
you, it is just their Religion, they just can't help themselves. If you like the watches, good for
you, buy them. If not, don 't.
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I don't know why people say this is just Invicta bashing, I like the movement anyway but it
was not as advertised and that is the gripe, especially if you purchaced it for the
bph and the exclusivity of the movement, that being said I like my Seiko watches as much
as my Swiss Made ones
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It might not be Invicta's fault...I live on the west coast and I have received more than a few
defective watches from shopnbc. I just sent back 2 watches in a row. Both received
defective...One was the Speedway DD and the other a was Swiss made Clerc quartz
chrono.....The watches were poorly packaged from shopnbc, thin boxes with little bubble
rap?...My guess is that these defective watches are being banged around while in transit and
the poor packaging is making things worse!...I love shopnbc, but they need to pack their
parcels to be shipped better...I now order with a two day air delivery...Hey I am not bashing
anyone, no one is perfect....I guess this is the risk you take when one shops on-line..
I have a Speedway DD on the way, I'm sticking with Invicta, wish me luck...(I will keep you
guys posted.)
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I personally could not imagine buying this watch, especially with the D&D movement. It
just seems a Frankenstein at best and the two brands do not compliment each other, in
fact it makes them both worse.
If I liked the way it looked I would buy one with the Seiko movement after the price goes
down.
This thread is not about the Speedway DD watch it is about the Speedway with the Seiko
movement Cal.
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Your right, sorry, just trying to stick up for Invicta!
Have an awesome Sunday....:-)
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nothing as far as I know is wrong with the watch, only inaccurate advertising
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Do you think Invicta was to quick to get this watch to market before they even knew what
movement they were putting in there watch.I think that Seiko sells there 36,000 bph watch
for $3000.00,there was no way Invicta could buy this high beat movement and bring it to
market for $700.00.Something just does'nt jive.The only thing I can figure is that Invicta
bought both types of movements 28,000 and 36,000 bph and the wrong movement got
cased in this watch,or Seiko sent Invicta the wrong movements,and Invicta assumed they
were the 36,000 bph and cased them without checking them out. We will really never know
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Do you think Invicta was to quick to get this watch to market before they even knew what
movement they were putting in there watch.I think that Seiko sells there 36,000 bph
watch for $3000.00,there was no way Invicta could buy this high beat movement and bring
it to market for $700.00.Something just does'nt jive.The only thing I can figure is that
Invicta bought both types of movements 28,000 and 36,000 bph and the wrong movement
got cased in this watch,or Seiko sent Invicta the wrong movements,and Invicta assumed
they were the 36,000 bph and cased them without checking them out. We will really never
know
You might be right. But, it I keep thinking that neither Invicta, nor Seiko, is going to make a big transaction and not check something as
basic as the specifications of the movement. Would it be possible
that Invicta advertises an ETA 7750 when the watch actually has a ETA 251 quartz? I doubt it. I'm not saying that it's impossible; just
improbable. In any case, learning from the DD debacle, I think Invicta handled this the best they could. They disclosed it up front
and ensured that this forum stayed officially out of it. That is, Eyal posted the facts and no one else that manages/moderates this forum
has gotten involved. If I were to guess, the Ocean Speedway will not be marketed in a live ShopNBC broadcast ever again. They'll just sell
them from the website.
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It is what it is, it won't affect me what so ever.
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Actually, they are scheduled for this evening...
Yes they are!
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I like the watch because of it's design....has the Tag Aquaracer look to it at a fraction of the
price. I am not interested in the Auto Chrono though...I want the quartz version....and I'll
wait to see if they come up on SR or DOD sites. WOW will have them sooner or later...and
since they offer VP's now....it'll be a chinch to get one then!!!
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Isn't the 3000.00 seiko a different movement?
I've looked on a number of sites and from what I see, Seiko currently offers one automatic
chronograph movement. It is referred to as the 8R or 8R28. It is a 34-jewel, 28,800 VPH
movement with column wheel and vertical clutch design. In the Ananta line the watches are
priced at $3,200 and in the Sportura line the price is listed as $2,995. If you go to the new
spring drive movements the prices increase by about 100%. Seiko also offers high beat
36,000 VPH movements in Grand Seiko watches but I have not been able to find a
chronograph model. $7,200 for the Grand Seiko 3-hand 36,000 VPH.
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Well the looks r the #1 reason I bought this watch but certainly sounded more attractive
with a high beat movement
For those that buy watches 4 their movement I could understand their disappointment
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Jerry, you made a great choice and I would be surprised if the watch does not EXCEED your
expectations. ENJOY!
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I am waiting for the SR. I was really interested in buying one before it was announced the
beat rate wasnt 36000bph now not really too interested.
I could see this on the Dept. of Deals also for a nice price.
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Jerry, you made a great choice and I would be surprised if the watch does not EXCEED
your expectations. ENJOY!
Ordered mine last night... Your testing and reviews convinced all was well.
YOU BETTER BE RIGHT!
j/k!
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I've looked on a number of sites and from what I see, Seiko currently offers one automatic
chronograph movement. It is referred to as the 8R or 8R28. It is a 34-jewel, 28,800 VPH
movement with column wheel and vertical clutch design. In the Ananta line the watches
are priced at $3,200 and in the Sportura line the price is listed as $2,995. If you go to the
new spring drive movements the prices increase by about 100%. Seiko also offers high
beat 36,000 VPH movements in Grand Seiko watches but I have not been able to find a
chronograph model. $7,200 for the Grand Seiko 3-hand 36,000 VPH.
There is also the 6S28 and the 6S37 which adds the the power reserve. These have the
column wheel but not the verticle clutch as I understand it. But the watches cost much the
same as the 8R28. I would love to know which calibre the NE78A is closest to. For the
money it is sorely tempting.
Edit: More info here http://watchotaku.com/display/swr/Seiko+6S37
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I've looked on a number of sites and from what I see, Seiko currently offers one automatic
chronograph movement. It is referred to as the 8R or 8R28. It is a 34-jewel, 28,800 VPH
movement with column wheel and vertical clutch design. In the Ananta line the watches are
priced at $3,200 and in the Sportura line the price is listed as $2,995. If you go to the new
spring drive movements the prices increase by about 100%. Seiko also offers high beat
36,000 VPH movements in Grand Seiko watches but I have not been able to find a
chronograph model. $7,200 for the Grand Seiko 3-hand 36,000 VPH.
There is also the 6S28 and the 6S37 which adds the the power reserve. These have the
column wheel but not the verticle clutch as I understand it. But the watches cost much the
same as the 8R28. I would love to know which calibre the NE78A is closest to. For the
money it is sorely tempting.
Edit: More info here http://watchotaku.com/display/swr/Seiko+6S37
I suppose it could be the 6S28 at 34 jewels but I believe the 6S37 is a 40 jewel movement.
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I'm pretty sure the 6S37 is the 6S28 with a power reserve complication. Looking at photos I
would say its based on the 8R28.
Here is a cool video of the 8R28 being assembled