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IS VEMMA A SCAM? VEMMA IS NOT “AFFILIATE MARKETING” WANT MORE MLM INFO? WANT TO CONTACT ME?
WHAT IS A PYRAMID SCHEME?
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IS VEMMA A SCAM?Yes, it really is.
And no matter what Vemma affiliates tell you, Vemma isNOT an affiliate marketing company it is a MLM company.
Didn’t say anything about scam though!
People have a very warped view of what a pyramidscheme actually is. The fact is that having a tangibleproduct or commodity and notable sponsors does NOTexclude a company from being a pyramid scheme. Neitherdoes the possibility of making more money than the
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person above you (fyi, that very rarely happens).
As long as company draws the majority of its income fromrecruiting individuals and not from actual customerretailing, it is engaging in an unsustainable form ofbusiness and is therefore a pyramid scheme.
I will explain to the best extent of my abilities, whyVemma fits this archetype. Detailed explanations andstatistics behind my reasoning are in the form ofhyperlinks (I urge you to click and read).
1) Vemma forces affiliates to purchase a minimum ofaround $150 dollars of product a month in order toremain “qualified” to receive their residual income. Thereis no good reason for this. The products, despite theirrelatively high quality, are horrendously overpriced. This isa symptom common across all MLMs; due to the way thepay system is structured one purchase of Vemma product(customer or affiliate) may have to pay out commissionsover multiple levels which is why the price is inflatedaccordingly.
2) While they tout “financial freedom” and “being yourown boss” . . . its far from the truth. Due to the forced(yes, forced) product reorders in #1, a minimum of 75%of Vemma affiliates are losing money every year.Consistently, Vemma’s own income disclosure has showedthat 92 – 95% of Vemma affiliates are making less thanminimum wage even before the monthly reorders areaccounted for!
3) Because each brand partner is an “independentdistributor”, Vemma has no way to hold them accountableif they lie. And the lies are rampant. Because the pressureto recruit is so high, lying about income and what “rank”they are in order to impress prospects. Whenever they arecaught, Vemma always says that they are just a “few badeggs” when in reality they are a product of the culturefostered within the company by leaders starting way atthe top.
4) The CEO BK Boreyko is incredibly shady (not thatVemma affiliates will tell you).
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First, his name is Benson K Boreyko. He purposefullychanged his name because he falsely claimed that his oldcompany’s product “God’s Recipe” could cure ADD andADHD in children.
Second, BK Boreyko banned minors from joining thecompany allegedly because of the FDA’s concerns aboutenergy drinks (in reality it was because the chant of“SCAM!” from teachers and parents was becomingproblematic) . . . and then actively instructed hisunderlings on how to circumvent the policy and continueto recruit minors!
5) Vemma affiliates will claim that Corporate America isthe real pyramid scheme. That is illogical and asinine.
6) There are very few customers in the Vemma business.An MLM company’s legality is tied to how much of itsincome is coming from non-affiliate members purchasingthe company’s product.
Well, there’s a lot of evidence that no significant customerbase exists. First off, from my personal experience andcurrent Vemma affiliates’ experience . . . the customer toaffiliate ratio is pitiful. Sure there are a select few thatmanaged to get a good amount of customers and theyare promoted heavily but they are the minority. There areplenty of reasons for this.
Vemma affiliates will claim anywhere between 80 – 85%customer base but have absolutely NO PROOF that itexists. No paperwork or anything (i.e. the same reasonHerbalife is under pressure from the FTC). BK Boreykoactually wrote a letter to the FTC in 2006 asking them notto make MLMs reveal their customer bases.
A.k.a. the CEO has valiantly resisting revealing the onlypiece of data that would prove his company is legal.
In Conclusion:
Vemma affiliates will tell you that their income is from“product sales” not “recruitment” . . . yet when therecruits are the ones being forced to purchase themajority of the product there’s no difference. So we havea company in which the vast majority of members lose
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money directly in order to make money for the topmembers . . . and to reach their level you have to do thesame to your family and friends. Where the CEO claims tobe helping young people but was willing to lie to parentsof children with ADD and ADHD and continue sneakingminors into his company . . . so he can force them topurchase product and raise the profit line (while calling it“product sales”.
Sounds like a scam to me right?
UPDATE: As of 12/22/2013 I have done a massive seriesof changes to this post (including new informationmostly). Therefore, the first 22 comments on this postmay possibly ask questions that have now been answeredOR refer to information that is no longer present in thispost.
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parmyJuly 27, 2013 6:39 am
Hey there. just had a few questions ifvemma is a scam shouldn’t the ceo bkboreyko be sued or be in jail? Howdoes it all work? How come they haveprofessional sports teams endorsingthe product? Wouldn’t they be legallyliable? I’m confused. I also read thesite as well that they do say about 97percent don’t succeed in the businessso they do say majority do not makemoney. Last thing what are yourthoughts on the people who aremaking money from the company?Such as jedd benaluez, brad alkazin,kailey warren, adam wenig, alexmorton, and etc?
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The RevanchistJuly 27, 2013 11:15 am
The reasons theyaren’t shut downrelate to how difficultit is to prosecute theMLM industry at all.Here, this gives someinsight into it (it’s avery long, butexceptionallyinteresting read). Itprimarily comes downto an unwillingness forbrand partners tocomplain (due to cultatmosphere andshame) with the lackof policing power bythe FTC.
http://www.financialindustryscam.com/mlm.htm
I have only met Alex,Kailey and Brad. In allhonesty, theygenuinely seem tobelieve that they arehelping people andhelp all teams (eventhose that aren’t theirown) equally.
So weirdly enough, Ilike them on apersonal level.
tex2December 8, 2013 12:36 pm
BernieMadoffshouldhavebeencaughtwhenhestartedhisPonziscamin themid
1970salso,buttherewasn’tenoughcompetencyandtoomuchbureacracyat theSEC.Yourtaxdollarsatwork.SamewithAmwayandtheFTC,not tomentionthestateAGs,FBI,BBB,DAs,etc.Theansweris togetorganizedandforcethesepoliticalorganizationsto dotheirjob.BernieshouldhaveBKandtheAmwayfamiliesasbunkmates,
thentheycouldscreweachotherinsteadof therest ofus.
YoushouldHATEthemon apersonallevel,becausetheyusetheircharmtoscampeople.If youwantto bepart ofthesolution,don’tlikethemon anylevel.
BiffMay 29, 2014 3:28 pm
Hey Parmy, You have avery naive view of theworld. Basically, therich can do what theywant. When theBanksters defraudedon billions worth ofbad loans and built upover a trillion dollars ofbad debt fromworthless derivatives,over 10 million peoplelost their jobs in theUS alone. They lost
their homes andretirement and somelost their lives. Thesesame well-heeled folksplunged the entireworld into the worstfinancial crises sincethe Great Depression.You’d think that wouldbe illegal, yes? Guesshow many of thosescum-sucking pigswent to jail? Not one.In fact, the US spentover 800 billion to bailtheir dumb-asses out.The rich play bydifferent rules. Andthe mindless-Vemmatools who insist ongiving BK their money,often make this samestupid argument.
Just becausesomething is wrongand/or illegal doesn’tmean squat. As longas the folks in lawenforcement are moreconcerned witharresting teen pot-smokers and writingparking tickets, we’regoing to have scamartists like BK Boreykotaking advantage offolks who “believe thatthe system isprotecting them.”
You also know a lot offolks who “are makingmoney from thecompany.” Gosh. Hownice for them. I knewsome folks whoshoveled horse crapfor a living, but thatdoesn’t mean I wantto grab a shovel.Vemma is a scam.Some, a very smallpercentage, makemoney promoting thisscam. Out of the
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endless possibilitiesyou can do with yourlife, why would youstart at scrapping thebottom of the barrel?
Do yourself a favorand go watch an in-depth look at one ofthe heroes of Vemma– Darik, gets his asshanded to him by thevideo author. Thevideo completelybreaks down this“once in a lifetimeopportunity” andshows just how emptyyou have to be inorder to work forthem.
Stan LeeAugust 2, 2013 3:08 pm
Let’s say I am a car salesman who is apart of an up and coming automobilecompany. Normally, car salesmanmake commissions based off theamount and price of cars they sell. Butthis company is different. I am one ofthe first few salesmen, and to be apart of this business and to makemoney from cars I sell or advertise, I
have to first lease one of the cars andpay a monthly fee. I cannot earn anymoney unless I pay this lease. But,once I start making money, I get afree car, which is cool! And plus, I canuse it to advertise my business, showpeople how nice the cars are, etc.Pretty smart.
But, my boss tells me that the onlyway I can make real money is not byselling cars to customers, but byrecruiting more salesmen into my salesteam, who then advertise cars and sellto customers. The money I make ismuch more significant because of thecommission plan that is set up withinthe company. So essentially, ifsomebody wants to become asalesman for the company, they haveto buy a car, learn how the car works,learn how to sell the car, but also learnhow to try to get other people tobecome salesmen because that’s reallythe only way to make good money(again, because of how thecommissions work. How they work isirrelevant). So, even if I sold the car to20 customers and made the companya lot of money, they would not pay mefor my efforts. This is because if I onlysold to customers, the company wouldnot be able to expand as fast due tothere only being one salesman (me)and only 20-30 cars total that are sold.Because the salesman only make thereal money in training other salesmen,soon there is an army of salesmen, alot of people know about the cars, butreally the only people who havebought the cars are the salesmen.There are very few customers becausethe salesmen have very little incentiveto sell the cars to them since they donot make nearly as much money. Soonce the newest salesman has a hardtime training his new salesmen to helppay for his monthly lease, he has toquit because he is consistently losingmoney each month with this monthlylease that he has to pay. Once hequits, the guy above him loses thatincome from the salesman leasing thecar, because his friend no longer paysthe company money.
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The chain reaction then starts riding allthe way up to the top, back to me.Now nobody wants to be a salesman, Ihave to quit because I am not makingany more money, but the good thingis, I made a lot of money from all thesalesmen that learned about the carand how to sell them and train othersalesmen, while the salesmen at thevery bottom are stuck in the negative.
To Vemma Brand partners: thisridiculous doesn’t it? but doesn’t itsound extremely similar to what youdo, and how you are paid?
Literally every portion of thecompensation plan explicitly statesthat each new brand partner requiresat least 2 brand partners to makemoney. Meaning that those two brandpartners then need two brand partnerseach to make money. And so on. Foran (extreme, but relevant) example, IfI solely looked for customers, and nobrand partners, ended up after twoyears of cold market selling with 1000customers on auto delivery with eachwith 60 QV on each leg, I amgenerating roughly $900,000 dollarsper year for Vemma. Yet because ofthe compensation plan, I do not makea dime… until I enroll two brandpartners. Then, with the variousbonuses, I make about 12,000 dollarsthe instant I enroll them, plus about$4500 per month in cycles.
Am I the only one who thinks this doesnot make any sense at all?
The RevanchistAugust 2, 2013 3:11 pm
Hey man I read this,and it makes totalsense I’m with you!
BUT . . . many of myreaders may not wantto read all that. Anychance you can post aslightly truncatedversion? haha!
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Stan LeeAugust 2, 2013 3:23 pm
^^TL;DR,theonlywaythecompplanpaysbrandpartnersis byenrollingbrandpartners,itforcesthemto buyproductinorderto getpaid,andeven ifthecompanyhadphysicalproofthatthereabove70%of itsrevenueisbasedoncustomersalesandnotthesalesofbrandpartners,how isit NOTproduct
basedpyramidscheme,eventuallyleadingtocompleteself-sustainmentandfallingapart?
Thereasonichosea carsalesmanwasbecausehavingtoleasea carto sellcars isridiculousto me,andhavingtoleasea cartotrainsalesmento sellcars isevenmoreridiculous.AndevenMOREridiculous,is thattrainingasalesmanto notsellthecar,but toattract
peopletobecomingasalesman,inordertoadvertisethecompanybetter,is themainfocusofgettingpaid.
The RevanchistAugust 2, 2013 3:24 pm
Thankyoukindlysir,and afantasticpoint.I mayexpandon theanalogyin apost!
(tipshat)
tex2December 8, 2013 12:41 pm
If70%of thesalesweretocustomers,itwouldNOTbe anillegalpyramid,it
wouldcloselyresemblehow aREALcardealershipworks,astherearesalespeopleand asalesmanagerwhomakessomeof thecommissionfromeachsalesperson,asdoestheowner.
LouAugust 2, 2014 4:08 am
Thatcarsalesanalogythoughman,it’senoughtoconvinceanyone
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MikeAugust 2, 2013 9:04 pm
Completely agree.That’s a greatcomparison with thecar salesman.
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NomadAugust 17, 2013 7:12 am
I thought the sameway, just not with thecar salesman analogy.A legitimate networkmarketing systemshould encourage andreward selling theproducts to endcustomers even whenno new associates arerecruited.
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Jada BeardNovember 23, 2013 2:50 am
I literally screenshotthis whole comment toshow my sister not toget involved with thiswhat I call “get richquick scam” but I justcan not get through toher. This should prettymuch clear it up.Thank you!!
tex2December 8, 2013 12:43 pm
Youshouldtellhertheyarelyingto herandthefactsthatapplytoAmwayandmostotherMLMcompaniescan befoundhere:http://www.stoptheamwaytooolscam.wordpress.com
JackJanuary 22, 2014 9:52 am
Idk ifyouhavelookeda anytypeofbusiessbut IlikeusingMcDonald’s,there’sa CEOat thetopthatdoesbarelyanyworkwhenthesupervisorsgetpaidlessandhavetowork aLotharder.Thenu havemanagersthentheemployeesthatmakenextto nomoneyworkingtheirass offorCEOthat’ssits atthetop
andmakesmoney’soff hisbusiness.That’showeverybusinessworks,thatCEOwouldn’tbetherethoughif hedidn’tworkhardfor it.Everybusinessispyramidlike.Vemmais thefurthestfromit.
The RevanchistJanuary 22, 2014 10:50 am
Apyramidschemeisn’tdeterminedby thelevelsatwhichincomeisdistributed,it’sdeterminedby anissueofsustainability.
AndconsideringthatyoucommentedonTHISparticularpost,youdidn’tunderstandonebit ofthat.
Sum Tin WongJanuary 22, 2014 8:56 pm
Here abigdiff,Jack.EventhelowestpeopleatMcDonaldsmakemoney.Youevensaid“nexttonothing”whichismorethannothing.TheoverwhelmingmajorityofVemmaBP’sLOSEmoneyonceyouaccountfor theauto-shipments.
Andyes,youhavetocounttheauto-shipmentsif youwantanapplestoapplescomparisonwithMickeyD’s.Unlessofcoursethereis ahiddenrule atMcD’sthat Idon’tknowaboutthatsaysthateverytimeyouwork ashiftyouhaveto buyacoupleofHappyMeals.
Lou
Wow thank you forexplaining it in thatway dude you savedme from investing in
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August 2, 2014 4:05 am
this scam.
ReplyMikeAugust 11, 2013 7:19 pm
Hey what’s ur email! I like what u aredoing
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The RevanchistAugust 11, 2013 7:39 pm
Go to “Want to Help”at the top and readthe page. My email isat the bottom.
It sets some criteria aswell as things I’mlooking for you’d liketo help
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JaredOctober 24, 2013 7:24 pm
So are you calling Amway an 11.5Billion $ Company who own theOrlando Magic a scam, pyramidscheme, ponzi scheme?
The RevanchistOctober 26, 2013 3:42 pm
Yes . . . all evidencepoints to it. Theysurvive due toextensive politicalconnections (they arethe chief contributorsfor lobbying throughthe DSA).
Most economists agreeAmway reachedsaturation in the 80’s,and they admit apublic 99% loss rate.
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They refuse to publishdetails about theirretailing customerbase.
Why do you ask?
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Kasey ChangOctober 26, 2013 10:18 pm
Can Amway provetheir IBOs are retailingthe products asrequired by their own“Ten Retail CustomerRule”?
According to Amway’sown bosses during aninterview by WSJ, theyclaimed “about 50%”of affiliates just wantto buy some stuff and“sell a few to friendsand family”, 30% lookfor a little extraincome, and 20% planto treat it as incomeopportunity.
Video interview, scrollto 9:15 mark to hearthem say ithttp://online.wsj.com/article/FE12F29C-D022-42B8-8ACD-16A114E0DA96.html#!FE12F29C-D022-42B8-8ACD-16A114E0DA96
Sure sounds like 50%of the companydoesn’t sell to 10customers, does it?
tex2December 8, 2013 12:57 pm
It’sMUCHworsethanthat.Amway’sown
studydeterminedapaltry3.4%ofproductsaresold tonon-IBOs,andthatfigureisinflatedbecausemanyof usweretaughthowtomakea selfconsumptionpurchaselooklike aretailsalefor thecomputer.Thefact istheAmwayownersareLIARSandshouldn’tbebelievedat all.Lookat theexchangeat16:21to seehowtheyDON’Tanswerthe
questonhonestly.
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MikeOctober 27, 2013 12:53 am
Owning a sports franchise doesn’tsomehow make you exempt frombeing able to commit fraud. Trywatching American Greed sometime,it’ll open your eyes.
Here’s a snippet of one such fraudsterwho was featured. Notice that he wasthe co-owner of the San Jose Sharks.
http://www.sfgate.com/sharks/article/Former-Sharks-co-owner-gets-8-years-for-fraud-3218556.php
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lolwatNovember 30, 2013 12:37 pm
Hey dude, check this out
http://larkster.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/an-evaluation-of-multi-level-marketing-and-vemma-inc/
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AmberDecember 17, 2013 12:32 pm
If you were a self run business wouldyou not order product monthly toreplenish supply? If you were startinga business you would have to putmoney down for start up costs. Sameconcept in vemma. Do your researchon real research sites. Not opinionsites
The RevanchistDecember 17, 2013 1:05 pm
I strongly suggest youread my blog in itsentirety beforecommenting. Forexample this post:
https://yprpariah.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/why-vemma-auto-delivery-
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is-unethical/
Which neatlyencapsulates why thereason you give forVemma’s auto-deliveryis flat out wrong.
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JamesJanuary 22, 2014 10:02 pm
Your “supply” is just agimmic. They need aproduct so they aren’tlabeled as a monopoly,but in reality theproduct is irrelevant. Itmakes people thinkthat they are actuallyselling something ofvalue. The mainpurpose of vena is torecruit other clients.When you do this, doyou ever actually evenmention the energydrinks?
ReplyRyanJune 20, 2014 5:08 pm
Put down the Kool-Aid,Amber.
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bgJanuary 5, 2014 7:31 pm
Pyramid schemes are illagal that’s thebottom line. You’re opening sentenceis ludacris. It not affiliate marketing it’sMLM therefore it’s a scam. What??!?So Amway, Herbalife etc are all scams?Are you nutty?
The RevanchistJanuary 6, 2014 4:24 pm
I specify that its notaffiliate marketingbecause it’s not.Simple as that.
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Being an MLM doesn’tautomatically equateto being a pyramidscheme, but there’s alot more literatureillustrating why it veryoften can be.
And yes, I believe theyall are. There’s anenormous amount ofevidence.
I’m not nutty, can youread?
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Sum Tin WongJanuary 7, 2014 1:24 pm
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
Did you just spell“LUDICROUS”“LUDACRIS” like therapper?
Typical VemmaDouche.
I wouldn’t quit collegejust yet if I were you.
Kasey ChangJanuary 8, 2014 12:37 am
False dilemma. If it’snot affiliate marketingit’s MLM? Why can’t itbe pyramid schemeinstead? Or the reallydisguised one, i.e.“product-basedpyramid scheme”,which looks VERYMUCH like a MLM?
You know just enoughto be dangerous (toyourself, with that sortof half-assedarguments). Pleasegrow beyond thatphase quickly beforeyou got hurt.
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ReplySashaMay 21, 2014 11:53 am
Herbalife is a scam.Google it.
ReplyJennifer CatanoJanuary 10, 2014 1:45 am
Vemma is a scam and its brainwashingmy boyfriend Sadly.
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NickJanuary 14, 2014 1:36 am
I almost did this. Thank you for this! Iposted this to my facebook to warnothers of the scam. The Vemmalites asI call them will probably attack me buthey if I can save some kids somemoney then it will be worth it.
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MuhammadJanuary 25, 2014 12:55 pm
This is hilarious….please tell me howpeople “lose money” do they buy air?Pretty sure they buy a tangibleproduct..and your prob someone whospends over a $150 a month onredbull/Starbucks etc its a simpletransfer of dollars…nice opinionatedblog…and you act like recruiting is abad thing…pretty sure every universityrecruits students to their school wherepeople will invest over six figures onan education and come out with theirdegree and get a job at a fast foodrestaurant and owe astronomicalstudent loan debt but that’s normal intoday’s society look up the numbers …pretty sure every Fortune 500company recruits…pretty sure the nfl,NBA etc recruits..everyone recruitswake up and smell the fucking roses
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The RevanchistJanuary 25, 2014 7:37 pm
No one has a problemwith recruiting, its onlywhen the primaryincome is fromrecruiting, whichproduces anunsustainable model.
Doesn’t matter that itsa tangible product, itsextraordinarilyoverpriced AND there’sno reason it should bemandatory.
And no I don’t spend$150 a month on redbull and coffee.
Red bull tastes likecough syrup mixedwith lighter fluid andcoffee gives me theruns.
Any other assumption,educated one?
MuhammadJanuary 25, 2014 9:27 pm
Loloverpriced?Go toGNCandyouwillseeoverpriced…thevemmaformulais alegacyproductI’mactuallyamangosteenresearcher
andtheproductshouldbepricedevenhigher…I lovepeoplewhohavesomuchfreetimetowriteopioniatedblogsI’mnotevenanaffliateofvemmabutyourblog isopioniatedandyourjustuneducatedon theindustrywhichis astrongsegwayof oureconomy…lol youmostlikelyworkfor acompanywhereyouwillneveroutearnthe
personinfrontof youin thecorporateladder…peoplelikeDonaldtrump/warrenbuffettheyallsupportandowncompaniesin thisindustryI’d saytheyaremorecredibleongeneratingassetsthanyoutheblogger…yourprobablyinwakeupnowhahaha
The RevanchistJanuary 25, 2014 9:56 pm
you’re*. . .andI’mnot inWakeUpNow.
I’msureyouaren’taVemma
affiliate,Iappreciateyoutakingtimeout ofyourday totell methat Isimplydo notknowwhat Iamtalkingabout.
I willtakeyourwellworded,wellresearched,andhighlyintelligentcriticismintoaccount.
MarieFebruary 11, 2014 12:15 am
IreallywantedtotakeMuhammed’scommentseriouslyandtry toread it– butit wasthelongestrun onsentenceI’veseenoutside
of aDavidfosterWallacenovel.
Greatblogdude!I lovethiscommentthread.
JasonJanuary 26, 2014 2:08 am
Great article. It’s fascinating how easilypeople can be taken advantage of bypromising instant gratification andwealth. Unfortunately, it doesn’t workthat way in any part of life, industry, orpyramid scheme.
I personally work for a largecorporation as a “grunt”. At no pointhave I ever been told I could buy aBMW in a week or earn more than theCEO. I’m told that I will be paidcompetitively for the job that I acceptand have opportunity to advance mycareer in the future with exceptionalwork. No BS.
First comparison to corporations;Vemma’s explanation of continuing toreceive income when a person is done“recruiting”…. The real version of thisis called a 401k or pension. It is aretirement plan that you are vested in.Any Vemma member should look upwhat vested means and find howmuch Vemma guarantees its recruits20 years from now compared to alarge, stable company.
Next, to touch upon me not earningmore than the CEO. This realization iswhat is referred to as life. I know I’llhave a very successful career butwhen it comes down to it, less than0.1% of the population will make acorporate CEO’s salary…or a
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professional athlete’s salary…or amovie star’s salary…actuallyapproximately 0.1% of the Americanpopulation makes over $1million in ayear.
My last point; joining the “Vemmarevolution” is not the same as a SpeedPass that you can get at Disney worldwhere you get to cut the lines.Skipping out on college or furtheringeducation is not some trick toobtaining wealth that everyone elsehasn’t figured out. The most crediblefact that can be brought into theVemma debate actually is that years ofeducation and financial earnings arepositively correlated. The moreeducation you get, the more valuableyou are.
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StephenFebruary 5, 2014 7:54 pm
I’ve noticed almost every one of yourblog posts explicitly states or at leasteludes to the fact that VEMMA doesnot have a primary customer base. Youseem to be an intelligent, well-mindedindividual who always basis his case onfacts, data, and proof. I’m curiousabout your opinion on what percentcustomer base you think needs to bemet in order to meet the qualificationsof NOT being a pyramid scheme?Thank you.
ReplyThe RevanchistFebruary 5, 2014 8:22 pm
70% is the generallyagreed upon number.
EntertainedFebruary 28, 2014 2:15 pm
Thank you for brightening my day! Ihad to chuckle all the way through thecomments. The best part is whensomeone gets backed into a corner,and the only thing they have as adefense is to criticize the other’s
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grammar or spelling. Hilarious! Ofcourse, that probably has a great dealto do with what people learn fromtexting and tweeting, which does notapply here.
Y’all have fun trying to whittle eachother’s egos down to nothing!
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NagenMarch 2, 2014 5:35 pm
if Vemma really is a scam we all wouldbe in jail right now, Vemma has anempire for god sake how can someonepost something horrible like this.Whoever posted this because ofnetwork marketing business failureand huge ballsack of ego. HAHAHA
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The RevanchistMarch 2, 2014 5:46 pm
I’m sure Enron saidthe same thing.
Just because its illegaldoesn’t mean it hasn’tbeen caught.
PhillyMarch 8, 2014 8:02 pm
If thiswere alegitimatebusinesstheproductwouldsellenoughto payitsemployees.That’showactualbusinessisdone.Mostof the
peoplewhofall forthisareuneducated,hencetheyoungrecruitertargetdemographic.Plainandsimpleif youaren’tsellingaproductorservice,u can’thave abusiness.Focusingonsellingyourbrandvs theactualproductdefinesapyramidscheme.Whatu arecreating,whenu tryto sellthisshit, isa cult.If thecultattractsenoughbelievers,itredefinesitselfas alegitimate
religion.Crazypeoplego tochurchandinvestintheirreligionweekly(religiously).Defendtheirrelgionuntilthedaytheydie.Althoughthisblog isgreatin itsintent,itmostlikelywillfall ondeafearssincethisreallyonlyappealsto thepeoplewhowouldquestiontheirreligion(fewandfarbetween).Thekey istoappealto thebrainwashedmasses
whotry togo tocollegetocreateabetterlife forthemselves,butthenfuckup byfallingforthisschemeandruiningtheirchanceatactualfinancialindependence.And,whilethatnumbermightbe averysmallminorityof kidsperschool,thereare ashitton ofschools.Soalthoughitdoesn’tlooklike alot ofpeoplefromeachcampusarefalling
forthis,sincethereare somanycolleges,it iseasytogrowthis‘business’.Ahhhh,thisbringsmebackto myfreshmanyearinvmyundergradwhensomeonewastryingto sellmephonecompanyservices.Nostalgia.
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justin7March 11, 2014 1:27 pm
Rome, March 10 – Sanctions for a totalof 500,000 euro against the companiesVemma Italy (Euro 100,000 ), AseaItaly ( Euro 150,000 ) and OrganoGold Europe ( Euro 250,000 ) forunfair business practices that haveaffected tens of thousands ofconsumers in the field multilevel illicitsales of beverages.
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krisppMarch 12, 2014 11:13 pm
Vemma claims that it is organic andNon-GMO, but they do not have theUSDA certification to prove it. They arelying!
Replymark rowlandMarch 14, 2014 7:29 pm
Thanks
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speakofcentsMarch 20, 2014 7:20 pm
vemma is a pyramid scheme for thesimple fact that you arent actuallygoing out and selling the productyourself for profit. I mean you could,but wouldnt make money. instead, youare selling an idea- the idea that youcan get rich quick. i know people thatsell vemma, and for the longest timethey didnt even tell me about theproduct, they just kept trying to recruitme so that i could get recruiters whowould get recruiters and so on and soforth. thus allowing me to make profitfrom their recruitment. ideally, theproduct doesnt even really need to bethere to make a profit- its almost likeyou buy a membership once a monthand you just get vemma products as asign on or something- the product isthere esentially to cover up thepyramid scheme itself. you dontactually sell the product, you sell theidea, thus you are a pyramid scheme.have you checked out the statistics onthis? chances are about 97% of thetime, people who get roped into thisdont make money, they lose it. look upthe definition of a pyramid scheme-vemma fits it no matter how youdance around the topic. dont be fooledinto joining this cult-like company.
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mbenMarch 24, 2014 11:26 am
Vemma is not a scam retards im 6months into it and have made over50k
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The RevanchistMarch 24, 2014 11:52 am
I suggest you read,never said youcouldn’t make money.I said it’s unlikely,there are unethicalpractices and it’s onthe backs of saps.
Is literacy not arequirement orsomething?
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PeachezApril 10, 2014 11:38 pm
Thank u men,lol. I juststarted Vemma lastweek. Now everyone’sgot me worried. Ohboy what did I getmyself into
PeachezApril 10, 2014 11:39 pm
Imeantmben,sorry
D. FaberApril 22, 2014 8:47 pm
I wasinVemmafor 3monthsandmadenomoney.Am onalimitedbudgetandcouldn’tpayfor the$150
autodeliveryandleads.Thewaypeoplemakemoneyis bypaying$132foroneleadthatpeoplegavetheircreditcardinformationfor the‘package’.I needtomakemoneyandnotspendandspendandspendfornothing.So Ijustquit. Iadviseyou tonotcontinuewithVemma.Theirproductsaretooexpensive,too.Find anormaljoband
get aweeklypaycheck.Vemmais notworththehassle.Wishyouwell.
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nicoleApril 3, 2014 7:22 pm
Is everyone that defends vemma reallynot goin to address the fact thatpeople are selling an idea not product,but still have to purchase product?How is this not a pryramid scheme.Sure you can be sucessful if you are apeople person,have plenty of friends &show leadership like characteristics(most people trust there friends). Iguess the only example left is what ifevery in the u.s. signed up for vemmahow is the last person that signed upever going to make a profit if theresno one left to sell an idea to? In factthat individual will lose money b/cthey’re still paying for product monthly.
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JSApril 10, 2014 1:05 pm
I just got out of this “business”, if youwill, because I came to realize howblinded I’ve been by the promise ofmaking big money. I can tell you thatevery person who has come on here todefend Vemma is just reading off of ascript. Word for word, it’s the onlythings that they can say to defend it.“$150 on starbucks…” “NBA, Dr.Oz…”,etc. It’s all an act to make it soundbetter than it really is!
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PeachezApril 10, 2014 11:43 pm
JS so why did youquit? I just started.Just curious,causenow I’m reading allthis negativity aboutVemma . I was soexcited to start andnow I see all this,ugh
JSApril 15, 2014 2:39 pm
Mainlybecausethe89%growththatVemmais soproudofcamedirectlyfromAnthonyPowellbring34,000peopleoverfromHerbalife.Thisyear’sgrowthprojectionisnothingnearwhatthey’retellingus.
So is Mary Kay a scam too?
nesvarbuApril 15, 2014 9:36 am
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ReplyThe RevanchistApril 15, 2014 1:49 pm
Yes, visit “The PinkTruth”
MatthewApril 15, 2014 3:21 pm
WowRevanchist…youarepathetic.EverythinginYOUReyes isascam.SMH…funnything…whydo youremovemyposts.Doyou dothis toeveryonewhoobjectstoYOURway ofthinking.Itmustbesuch athrillforyou…totrashother
peoplesfreedom.
The RevanchistApril 15, 2014 5:15 pm
Postagainthen.I’velookedthroughmycommentarchivesand Ihaven’tfoundanythingbyyou.
Ideletecommentsif theycontainerroneousinformationthathasbeenaddressedbyanotherpostI’vewritten.If thatwasthecase,thenthat’swhyyourcommenthasbeendeleted.
Butlike Isaid, Idon’teven
seeunapprovedcommentsbyyou.
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JoeeApril 17, 2014 9:23 pm
All of these people who think this is anactual way to make money you’re lyingto yourself. How legit of a job can youreally think this is? Be like your parentsgo get a real job and stop looking for aquick way to make a few bucks. Thelongevity of a career like this no morethen 6 months. You might as well selldrugs for a drug dealer at least youget something from being pawn in agame you can never comprehend.
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TannyApril 25, 2014 11:22 pm
This Vemma Stuff is a complete scamand theres only one simple way to putit:
the demand for the energy drink is noway near the supply thus this way ofinfluencing just leads to kids droppingout of school.
the only way you can make money is ifyour smart enough to single out thedumb people in the world and you signthem up under you (aka fucking themover). Eventually this company will failleaving people out of a degree and acareer.
Demand does NOT equal Supply
basic economics people
NoVemmaApril 27, 2014 7:36 pm
Vemma ist eines der schlimmstenPyramidenspiele überhaupt, deswegenwurden sie auch in Italien verurteilt!Ich hoffe Europa zieht nach!Sorry, ich schreibe besser deutsch!
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The RevanchistApril 27, 2014 9:21 pm
I’m too lazy to run thisthrough GoogleTranslate, so I’llassume you’re beingsupportive.
Rock on holmes.
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andiMay 3, 2014 9:47 pm
To ‘The Revanchist’. You are quiteobviously a sad, negative, misinformedindividual. You must have been badlytreated at sometime or somewhere inyour life, which is very sad. Just knowthis, I am not attacking you, butinstead, I have compassion for you.Please open your mind to all thepossibilities that life has to offer. Weonly have one life and we must stepoutside of our comfort zones if we areto achieve abundance in ourlives.Change your outlook and look atopportunities in a positive and excitingway. Do not post such garbage onlineand potentially discourage people ofmaking a change in both their healthand their financial lives. You are whatwe call a ‘dream stealer’. In closing,good luck to you. I hope things startlooking up for you.
The RevanchistMay 3, 2014 10:00 pm
If what I post isgarbage, it’s not likeanyone will listen tome right?
Prefacing that you arenot attacking me andthen insulting medoesn’t actually work,you know that right?But then again youjoined Vemma, so how
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logical could youpossibly be?
Being condescendingis MY style, so don’tbe jackin’ my swag!
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JudyMay 8, 2014 7:58 pm
I’m so glad to see this site. It’s goingto save my money and totalaggravation from being scammed byyet another scumbag.Thanks for your help.
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logic69May 10, 2014 12:55 pm
Loving it man! Keep up the good work.Some of these people are in such anextreme case of denial it’s insane. Imean it’s very lame on the part of thepeople praying on the naive, but sweetjesus people need to have a little bit ofstreet smarts. I guess I shouldn’t be sonegative though. My finances were inbad shape before a Nigerian prince gotin contact with me and decided to giveme $$$ for helping him out. I shouldbe receiving check anytime now. Ican’t wait!
MattMay 14, 2014 8:17 am
Just got home from my very firstVemma meeting!Also my very first experience with apyramid scheme.Come on people, if its that easy tobecome millionaires, don’t you thinkeveryone would do it?
Think about this:
1. The ‘Auto-Shipment’ of energydrinks every month is completelyunnecessary, Why have productsdelivered to your door if you are beingpaid by recruitment numbers insteadof sales?
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2. Unless all of your recruits are stupidenough to pay Vemma $150 for therest of their lives, you will have nosustainability whatsoever.
3. The organiser of this event told usnot to discuss it with my parents asthey simply “will not understand”. Healso told us that one can of VemmaEnergy is equivalent to 54 eggs. I wishthat was a joke, i really do.
4. Why is this business aimed at 17-25year olds? Were you told it wasbecause we are naturals at socialmarketing/media? I’m sorry but thattoo is a lie. Young people are good atbeing gullible.
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SpAzMay 31, 2014 8:36 pm
… call me a bad person but I do realizeit’s a pyramid scheme…. but… life is avery cruel thing. In other words whogives a shit about the ethics of all ofthis? Behind every fortune is a crime,the greater the fortune the greater thecrime. If joining means I have to fuckthe little guy to get ahead…. the littleguy better have lube………
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The RevanchistMay 31, 2014 9:21 pm
While it’s unethical, Iappreciate yourhonesty.
My mentor told meessentially the samething and that’s part ofwhy I quit.
AshtonJune 3, 2014 10:26 pm
Gone through the experience. At firstthey slam you with facts to get you tothink of positives. The video they playat meetings is all positive. Ive read thereason dr.oz had it on his show wasbecause BK donated to his charity and
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backlash was he would promote it.Also, i was lied to is i asked if therewas a starting price or initiation. Andwasnt given a full answer. I asked 15times at meeting to my “friends” andthey still couldnt give me a straightanswer. Then i found out there wasforced buys, but if you sold or got 5-10ppl in 1-2 weeks the next buy wasfree. But then was also pressured tomake 500$ purchase. Also, they tellyou to ignore college internet becauseits all a lie. When i read BK andprevious issues im glad i said no
ReplygbatsonJuly 27, 2014 6:33 pm
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ReplyThe RevanchistJuly 27, 2014 6:38 pm
Yes?
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JennieJuly 31, 2014 12:11 am
I once met a very pro YPR distributorwho is also a playboy playmate(Briyana Noelle) she kept telling methat if I join, it would change my life.When I mentioned that I’m happybeing in Dental School, she told methat I’m dumb for wasting my lifegetting a degree. Lol. I just wanted toshare because knowing that this YPRcrap is a scam is making me happy.
ReplyF***VemmaAugust 3, 2014 6:22 pm
Vemma on the Today show beingcalled a Pyramid Scheme
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TerriKAugust 4, 2014 10:39 pm
A friend of mine in sales told me once,when you hear about the superstarsalesmen of a company, they usuallyare doing something to get sales theyare not telling you about. Onesuperstar I read about for ourcompany in the 80’s was gettingastronomical sales supposedly throughtelemarketing efforts.Later I met a guy who worked withhim and he said this superstarsalesman had access to the customerdata base as it was a small branch ofour company with only 3 sales people..He under cut people which wassupposedly against company policy. Heused to go up to new people in thebusiness and discourage them fromstaying as it was “so hard to learn thebusiness.” Now he is at corporateoffice working as Vice President ofSales.Another story….a friend of mine was inan MLM called Excel..that sold longdistance service. He said some of theolder reps that wanted to leave Excelfor some reason would sell their list ofhundreds of customers and recruits toanother rep. . That’s how some repsget alot of downline with out mucheffort. My friend was in Excel for 4years and made very little. I decidednot to join but i did buy the servicefrom him. Kenny Trout of Dallas TXowned Excel originally..and said hisneighbor Ross Perot..asked to buy hiscompany from him.. He sold it to sometelephone company I think. CAN YOUIMAGINE LIVING NEXT TO ROSSPEROT???
L. SanAugust 5, 2014 2:08 pm
Another common thingI usually hear fromMLM recruiters is theytell you that all youhave to do is just paythe required“investment” andthey’ll take care of therest and they’ll recruitpeople to put on your
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downline. You don’thave to do anythingand your recruiter whoseems to be great atmarketing andrecruiting will do thehard work for you.You’ll initially believethem because they’lltell you that they haveto do that to keep the“pyramid” alive. But ofcourse we know thatthat won’t happenbecause being the conartists that they are,they’d rather keeptheir new recruits forthemselves. They onlywant to trick you intogiving them yourmoney.
TerriKAugust 6, 2014 8:35 am
Alsowastoldby asalesman,whenacompanyrecruitsnewsalesstaffnomatterwhattheirexperience,it willusuallycreateonesale oftheproduct.Theywillsell toa
relativeorfriend.About1 outof 10hireswillstaywiththecompany.Recruitingequalssales.10newhires..10sales.Cardealersarenotoriousforhiringsalesstaffwhowillsell atleaseonecar toarelative.
AlexisAugust 8, 2014 2:07 am
I am currently a “brand partner” withVemma. I can tell you that your articleis very bias. I was skeptical at firstbecause yeah, it does sound like apyramid scheme. But I get $400 worthof free product a month, and lost 86lbs, on top of $2367.18 every twoweeks from Vemma for promotingtheir product. But you can only makemoney by being active with thecompany, not just “selling” theproduct. You have to attendconferences across America, all paidfor, to talk about the product and
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promote it. The way you reported it isthe lazy man’s way, and no, you willnot make anything doing it that way.You will lose money out your buttdoing it that way. Get all your factsright before you blast a company onthe Internet, or someone like me willexpose you for your own lazy half-assed way of “doing your job”.
The RevanchistAugust 8, 2014 10:44 am
First off, Vemma paysweekly not biweeklyso why aren’t yougiving me your weeklyincome?
Second, my wholepoint is that to BEactive, you have topurchase a monthlyamount of productwhich is overpriced. Ifyou didn’t have topurchase that monthlyquota, a large portionof my problem withthe company wouldsiappear.
Third, the conferencesjust recently becamepaid for; for the past10 years they werenot. They wereexpensive and werejust rehashing thesame information overand over again. I waspart of this companylonger than you were.
And finally, if thiscompany wasn’t apyramid scheme theywould publish theirportion of retailcustomers (which theyavoid doing).
So, cards on the table.
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Are you astro-turfingme, or are youactually a Vemmaaffiliate and I have tocall the local zoo to tellthem they have anescapee?
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Someone that wantto make moneyAugust 11, 2014 11:19 pm
It might be a scam but I don’t think itis illegal because if it was it would ofbeen shout down already.
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The RevanchistAugust 12, 2014 12:48 am
It’s a matter of gettingthe FTC to investigate.Herbalife was allegedly“legal” but now thatthe FTC is looking init’s on the verge ofcollapse.
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